Trek's 'Doomsday' Reborn
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Trek's 'Doomsday' Reborn
A digitally remastered and enhanced version of the original Star Trek
series episode "The Doomsday Machine" will debut in syndication on
Feb. 10, marking a milestone: It features more than 100 all-new
digital visual effects shots, the most of any episode in the original
series, CBS Paramount Television announced.
The centerpiece of the new visual effects for "The Doomsday Machine"
is a digital rendering of the alien "planet killer," a miles-long
robot spaceship that destroys worlds. CBS Digital created the new
version of the massive weapon, based closely on the one seen in the
original episode, but gave it a battered, more realistic appearance.
Another highlight of the episode is the depiction of the U.S.S.
Constellation, a sister ship to the U.S.S. Enterprise, as a shattered
hulk nearly destroyed by the doomsday machine. The hull of the
digitally-damaged Constellation has been torn open, revealing details
of a mangled and charred interior.
The episode features guest star William Windom as Commodore Matt
Decker, commander of the wrecked Constellation. The classic episode
was written by SF writer Norman Spinrad and was honored with a Hugo
Award nomination by the 1968 World Science Fiction Convention. The
original episode was first aired in October 1967 and was directed by
Marc Daniels.
Warchild
"Grimm-RHD" <dw...@echoes.net> wrote:
> 12:00 AM, 08-FEBRUARY-07
>
>
> Trek's 'Doomsday' Reborn
>
> A digitally remastered and enhanced version of the original Star Trek
> series episode "The Doomsday Machine" will debut in syndication on
> Feb. 10, marking a milestone: It features more than 100 all-new
> digital visual effects shots, the most of any episode in the original
> series, CBS Paramount Television announced.
>
>
snippage
This one will be interesting, as it is the template show used by the
earlier attempt to create new CGI for Star Trek:TOS.
Hobart Floyt
"Warchild" <b...@bob.com> wrote in message
news:bob-184EB8.2...@news.west.earthlink.net...
I actually have kind of mixed feelings about this.
This is the episode that scared the living daylights
out of me when I was like in kindergarten.
I'd hate to see the "killer ice cream cone" go.
Anim8rFSK
"Hobart Floyt" <Alacrity...@WhiteShip.com> wrote:
It's still there, it's just flat gray and uninteresting now.
Warchild
<ANIM8Rfsk-F1AC3...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
oh please - if you're going to criticize based on a comparison, you have
at least to have *seen* the new episode.
My problem with the re-masters isn't the special effects, just that I
still am not inclined to stay awake until midnight on Saturday to see an
episode that i've seen two hundred times already. I'm too old for that.
Michael Bowker
or he could have seen what it looks like on line. Like at
http://trekmovie.com/2007/02/06/first-images-from-doomsday/
First Images From Doomsday! [UPDATED - Images Supersized] | TrekMovie.com
>
> My problem with the re-masters isn't the special effects, just that I
> still am not inclined to stay awake until midnight on Saturday to see an
> episode that i've seen two hundred times already. I'm too old for that.
Like you I like some of the new effects, but my problem is when they cut
out important dialog from the shows (like Tribbles) or cool stuff (like
when the bum phasers himself in Guardian).
Warchild
Michael Bowker <Mi...@blueneptune.com> wrote:
They just use some different angles that have more three dimensional
movement in the shots with multiple ships, but they did not make any
drastic changes to the way the Doomsday Machine looks (except for making
the front look just a bit more like an open mouth, but its a subtle
change, almost subliminal).
> >
> > My problem with the re-masters isn't the special effects, just that I
> > still am not inclined to stay awake until midnight on Saturday to see an
> > episode that i've seen two hundred times already. I'm too old for that.
>
> Like you I like some of the new effects, but my problem is when they cut
> out important dialog from the shows (like Tribbles) or cool stuff (like
> when the bum phasers himself in Guardian).
That a problem with the original length of the episodes when aired on
NBC, and the 'stripped length'. That problem has existed since ST:TOS
was first syndicated. Fortunately we have had video, laserdisc, DVD and
now HD-DVD that give us the complete original run time.
Jack Bohn
>The centerpiece of the new visual effects for "The Doomsday Machine"
>is a digital rendering of the alien "planet killer," a miles-long
>robot spaceship that destroys worlds. CBS Digital created the new
>version of the massive weapon, based closely on the one seen in the
>original episode, but gave it a battered, more realistic appearance.
"battered"?
The hull is neutronium! You couldn't "batter" the hull with an
exploding starship! That's the whole point of the plot!
Here's hoping it was just written by some flack who doesn't know
what he's looking at.
--
-Jack
Anim8rFSK
Warchild <b...@bob.com> wrote:
You missed the parts where we've seen still and clips?
>
> My problem with the re-masters isn't the special effects, just that I
> still am not inclined to stay awake until midnight on Saturday to see an
> episode that i've seen two hundred times already. I'm too old for that.
Yeah. Do they show up at a reasonable time anywhere?
Anim8rFSK
Warchild <b...@bob.com> wrote:
Except they made it flat gray and uninteresting. I way preferred the
iridescent original.
stoc...@earthlink.net
I see it today's schedule for a local station in Seattle. The episode
description on Directv doesn't say if it is the remastered version.
I'll TIVO it and find out.
Barry Margolin
"stoc...@earthlink.net" <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I see it today's schedule for a local station in Seattle. The episode
> description on Directv doesn't say if it is the remastered version.
> I'll TIVO it and find out.
I'm pretty sure only the remastered versions are currently being shown
in syndication.
--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
James Gassaway
>
> Yeah. Do they show up at a reasonable time anywhere?
Let's see. 11pm Saturday, 7am Sunday, 5 and 8am Monday in the San Francisco
market.
--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
"Now, quack, damn you!"
KalElFan
news:barmar-EF9D0D....@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <1171128050.9...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> "stoc...@earthlink.net" <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I see it today's schedule for a local station in Seattle. The episode
>> description on Directv doesn't say if it is the remastered version.
>> I'll TIVO it and find out.
>
> I'm pretty sure only the remastered versions are currently being shown
> in syndication.
And Anim8r was also asking if it's ever on at a better time so...
WNLO, the Buffalo affiliate of The CW, has been carrying these
new-effects episodes Saturday afternoon at 4. Until today -- I
just watched The Doomsday Machine live the last hour -- I've
been recording them on the PVR and then quickly running through
them later. In Toronto on the Space channel, which is basically
Canada's version of the Sci-Fi Channel, they still carry the original
TOS (i.e., without the remastering) at 2 pm Monday to Friday.
My overall impression of the new effects has been favorable --
the Enterprise itself and the phasers, photon torpedoes, etc., plus
the planets it's in orbit around all look better. I think it'll play better
to new generations watching it as well.
The Journey to Babel episode last week was an even better
example. That was a very good episode even in its original
version, but one of the problems with it was the undefined light
blip that they used for the alien ship. The new version has this
spinning, multi-light engine and hovercraft-type look for lack of
a better description.
The planet-destroying Doomsday Machine this week was also
improved in terms of the effects. Some may prefer the old look
and that's fine, but I like what they've done and I'd probably buy
the set when they offer it. I say probably because the biggest
problem I had with the episode just now is that they seem to
have cut -- as in shortened, not deleted -- a few key scenes,
notably the one on the bridge where Spock relieves Decker
and then the fight right after that between Decker and the
security crewman. I don't know if this is just the affiliate cutting
those for more commercials, or whether Paramount cut that so
they have a more complete version to offer when they release
the DVD.
Looking more closely at the effects, I'll also concede they
aren't perfect. The top shot of the two ships early on, where
Enterprise is above the Constellation, seemed designed to
avoid the need for a better shot. The Constellation itself looked
2-D to me in that shot, which it could be if we were directly on
top of it but more likely we'd see a bit of the side of the saucer
section, i.e., a bit of depth there. The thing is one presumes
the budget doesn't allow for a 10/10, so we're getting perhaps
a 7/10 as modern effects go. I still think it's better than what's
probably a 2/10 at best for the original show. That did have a
certain charm and there's some nostalgia seeing the original,
but I think the wider market beyond the purists will see what
they've done here as an improvement.
stoc...@earthlink.net
> In article <bob-8B9776.15374909022...@news.west.earthlink.net>,> > <ANIM8Rfsk-F1AC38.09033309022...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
> > Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > In article <12sor31jgu4b...@corp.supernews.com>,
> > > "Hobart Floyt" <AlacrityFitzh...@WhiteShip.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Warchild" <b...@bob.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:bob-184EB8.2...@news.west.earthlink.net...
It's on at 6:00 PM on Saturday in Seattle.
Anim8rFSK
"KalElFan" <kalelfa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I say probably because the biggest
> problem I had with the episode just now is that they seem to
> have cut -- as in shortened, not deleted -- a few key scenes,
> notably the one on the bridge where Spock relieves Decker
> and then the fight right after that between Decker and the
> security crewman.
You've GOT to be kidding. So what the frell happens, they just go from
Decker on the bridge to Decker stealing a shuttlecraft with no
explaination????
Michael Bowker
This is the sort of thing I've been whining about all a long. It's not
the special effects that suck it's the messing with the story to make
time for more commercials or the new special effects that sucks.
stoc...@earthlink.net
> In article <536ulhF1rs93...@mid.individual.net>,
>
> "KalElFan" <kalelfanNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I say probably because the biggest
> > problem I had with the episode just now is that they seem to
> > have cut -- as in shortened, not deleted -- a few key scenes,
> > notably the one on the bridge where Spock relieves Decker
> > and then the fight right after that between Decker and the
> > security crewman.
>
> You've GOT to be kidding. So what the frell happens, they just go from
> Decker on the bridge to Decker stealing a shuttlecraft with no
> explaination????
I just finished watching it and the fight was still in there. The
remastering does improve the overall video quality so that it doesn't
look like an old show. They didn't take out the overacting though.
:-)
It's still a 40 year old show, though, so it won't appeal to the
general audience.
KalElFan
news:ANIM8Rfsk-8F31D...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com...
> with no explanation????
No, both scenes are there but they've been shortened. For those
who recall the original bridge scene for example, I believe Decker
says at one point to Spock that he's bluffing and Spock says he
(or Vulcans) never bluff. Then Decker says something like "No, I
don't suppose they do..." before yielding. Likewise, the fight scene
in the corridor is longer than the one they showed.
KalElFan
news:1171175322.9...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I just finished watching it and the fight was still in there.
Yes, but both that scene and the bridge showdown were shortened.
I just checked and several sources cite the dialogue I remember from
the original bridge scene -- "You're bluffing...," "Vulcans never bluff..."
and "... no I don't suppose they do...". That was absent on the WNLO
(Buffalo CW affiliate) yesterday at 4:00 p.m.; I'm not sure if it was just
that station or all of them. My best guess is Paramount chopped it
to make room for more effects scenes, and/or to offer the more
"complete" episodes in the remastered DVD sets later.
> It's still a 40 year old show, though, so it won't appeal to the
> general audience.
I think I disagree here, but I concede that most 60s hourlongs don't
seem to be playing nowadays. Gilligan's Island and Batman and the
like are. But the Space channel has been carrying TOS for years
on weekdays (at one time two or three times a day). So I can see
the remastered TOS playing again in daily syndication as it did in
the 70s, and drawing decent numbers.
Anim8rFSK
Dylan Winslow <dyl...@xmission.dot.com> wrote:
> In article <1171175322.9...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "stoc...@earthlink.net" <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > I just finished watching it and the fight was still in there. The
> > remastering does improve the overall video quality so that it doesn't
> > look like an old show. They didn't take out the overacting though.
> > :-)
>
> The fight was still there when I watched it last night.
>
> I noticed that, while everybody else was in a 1960s tv show, William
> Windon was apparently in a 1920s Fritz Lang movie.
LOL!
Barry Margolin
<ANIM8Rfsk-8F31D...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
They showed him being relieved, going into the turbolift, coming out of
the turbolift on another deck, the fight, and then they showed the
shuttlecraft taking off in the shuttle bay. KalElFan said that they
*shortened* the scenes, they didn't delete them completely. I don't
remember the scenes well enough to know what lines were cut from the
bridge scene or what moves were cut from the fight.
Barry Margolin
"KalElFan" <kalelfa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1171175322.9...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I just finished watching it and the fight was still in there.
>
> Yes, but both that scene and the bridge showdown were shortened.
> I just checked and several sources cite the dialogue I remember from
> the original bridge scene -- "You're bluffing...," "Vulcans never bluff..."
> and "... no I don't suppose they do...". That was absent on the WNLO
> (Buffalo CW affiliate) yesterday at 4:00 p.m.; I'm not sure if it was just
> that station or all of them. My best guess is Paramount chopped it
> to make room for more effects scenes, and/or to offer the more
> "complete" episodes in the remastered DVD sets later.
Now that you point those lines out, I remember them from the original.
They weren't on the one we saw here in Boston, either. I assume
Paramount cut them to allow for the current amount of commercials, not
anything specifically related to the DVDs.
Barry Margolin
"James Gassaway" <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> >
> > Yeah. Do they show up at a reasonable time anywhere?
>
> Let's see. 11pm Saturday, 7am Sunday, 5 and 8am Monday in the San Francisco
> market.
In Boston it's on Saturday at 7pm and late Sunday night at 1:05am.
Mac Breck
news:1170960938.3...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> 12:00 AM, 08-FEBRUARY-07
>
>
> Trek's 'Doomsday' Reborn
>
> A digitally remastered and enhanced version of the original Star Trek
> series episode "The Doomsday Machine" will debut in syndication on
> Feb. 10, marking a milestone: It features more than 100 all-new
> digital visual effects shots, the most of any episode in the original
> series, CBS Paramount Television announced.
>
> The centerpiece of the new visual effects for "The Doomsday Machine"
> is a digital rendering of the alien "planet killer," a miles-long
> robot spaceship that destroys worlds. CBS Digital created the new
> version of the massive weapon, based closely on the one seen in the
> original episode, but gave it a battered, more realistic appearance.
>
> Another highlight of the episode is the depiction of the U.S.S.
> Constellation, a sister ship to the U.S.S. Enterprise, as a shattered
> hulk nearly destroyed by the doomsday machine. The hull of the
> digitally-damaged Constellation has been torn open, revealing details
> of a mangled and charred interior.
I haven't paid much attention to TOS since ~1975. Is there any plan to
which episodes they are digitally remastering and enhancing first, and
when the digitally remastered and enhanced **seasons** will be offered
on DVD?
Which episodes have been digitally remastered and enhanced thus far?
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
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Fiona: Get out.
Eddie: Out of the kitchen?
Fiona: Out of the kitchen, out of the flat, out of London, out of the
world. It's full. Get out.
Eddie: I can't get out of the world. I didn't pull the kind of math
grades you need to qualify for the space program.
"Brimstone" (1998)
Angel: Oh, there's one more thing you should know. Your fate was never
determined until you killed Gilbert Jax. All in all, you've led a good
life, Ezekiel. Have faith. Your work's appreciated.
Jack Bohn
>In article <bob-8B9776.1...@news.west.earthlink.net>,
> Warchild <b...@bob.com> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <ANIM8Rfsk-F1AC3...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
>> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <12sor31...@corp.supernews.com>,
>> > "Hobart Floyt" <Alacrity...@WhiteShip.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'd hate to see the "killer ice cream cone" go.
>> >
>> > It's still there, it's just flat gray and uninteresting now.
>>
>> oh please - if you're going to criticize based on a comparison, you have
>> at least to have *seen* the new episode.
>
>You missed the parts where we've seen still and clips?
You apparently missed the clips where it has a blue or purple
tinge to the hull, varies from shot to shot.
>> My problem with the re-masters isn't the special effects, just that I
>> still am not inclined to stay awake until midnight on Saturday to see an
>> episode that i've seen two hundred times already. I'm too old for that.
>
>Yeah. Do they show up at a reasonable time anywhere?
10 AM Sunday morning in Lima, Ohio.
I do have two nits to pick:
The Enterprise, which has gained the capability to do a strafing
run down the Planet Killer, looks a bit too static in the shot of
it trying to get out from in front of the maw once Kirk distracts
the tractor beam. The whole shot is too static; it's not
apparent in that shot that the Fickle Finger of Fate is coming
around to point to him, changing his, "Great!" to, "I think it's
great..."
I just wonder how many miles per hour the outside of the hull is
accelerated to when the final explosion puts it into a roll.
--
-Jack
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Grimm-RHD" <dw...@echoes.net> wrote in message
> news:1170960938.3...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > 12:00 AM, 08-FEBRUARY-07
> >
> >
> > Trek's 'Doomsday' Reborn
> >
> > A digitally remastered and enhanced version of the original Star Trek
> > series episode "The Doomsday Machine" will debut in syndication on
> > Feb. 10, marking a milestone: It features more than 100 all-new
> > digital visual effects shots, the most of any episode in the original
> > series, CBS Paramount Television announced.
> >
> > The centerpiece of the new visual effects for "The Doomsday Machine"
> > is a digital rendering of the alien "planet killer," a miles-long
> > robot spaceship that destroys worlds. CBS Digital created the new
> > version of the massive weapon, based closely on the one seen in the
> > original episode, but gave it a battered, more realistic appearance.
> >
> > Another highlight of the episode is the depiction of the U.S.S.
> > Constellation, a sister ship to the U.S.S. Enterprise, as a shattered
> > hulk nearly destroyed by the doomsday machine. The hull of the
> > digitally-damaged Constellation has been torn open, revealing details
> > of a mangled and charred interior.
>
> I haven't paid much attention to TOS since ~1975. Is there any plan to
> which episodes they are digitally remastering and enhancing first, and
they claimed it was some sort of viewers preference or poll, but
unspecified, and nobody believes it at this point. Who the hell picks
'Miri' as the number one TOS episode?
> when the digitally remastered and enhanced **seasons** will be offered
> on DVD?
Paramount recently announced they'd be putting out DVDs with both
degraded and original (although the 'original' will apparently have the
new terrible colors) on DVD, but I don't think they said when. Since
they're jumping all over the place, they won't be able to seasons 'til
they're done with the whole thing. Also, since they've publicly
apologized for the poor quality of the work on the first batch, one
wonders if they'll go back and redo those at the end.
>
> Which episodes have been digitally remastered and enhanced thus far?
None have been enhanced. A dozen or more have been degraded. :)
Anim8rFSK
Jack Bohn <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>
> >In article <bob-8B9776.1...@news.west.earthlink.net>,
> > Warchild <b...@bob.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> <ANIM8Rfsk-F1AC3...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
> >> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <12sor31...@corp.supernews.com>,
> >> > "Hobart Floyt" <Alacrity...@WhiteShip.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I'd hate to see the "killer ice cream cone" go.
> >> >
> >> > It's still there, it's just flat gray and uninteresting now.
> >>
> >> oh please - if you're going to criticize based on a comparison, you have
> >> at least to have *seen* the new episode.
> >
> >You missed the parts where we've seen still and clips?
>
> You apparently missed the clips where it has a blue or purple
> tinge to the hull, varies from shot to shot.
Yeah, just fast forwarded through the ep. Looked better than the stills
did on the website, but still didn't look good.
I've always wondered why no behind the scenes shots of the planet killer
have ever surfaced.
>
> >> My problem with the re-masters isn't the special effects, just that I
> >> still am not inclined to stay awake until midnight on Saturday to see an
> >> episode that i've seen two hundred times already. I'm too old for that.
> >
> >Yeah. Do they show up at a reasonable time anywhere?
>
> 10 AM Sunday morning in Lima, Ohio.
>
> I do have two nits to pick:
>
> The Enterprise, which has gained the capability to do a strafing
> run down the Planet Killer, looks a bit too static in the shot of
> it trying to get out from in front of the maw once Kirk distracts
> the tractor beam. The whole shot is too static; it's not
> apparent in that shot that the Fickle Finger of Fate is coming
> around to point to him, changing his, "Great!" to, "I think it's
> great..."
Yeah, the staging didn't work at all. The way they were zipping around,
there's no way they should ever have ended up in front of it. No reason
for zipping around, either. Just stay in one place and blast away. As
long as you're nowhere near it's maw, what's it going to do?
Also, the first shot, where it's RIGHT behind them, and clearly has the
Enterprise in it's sights; you'd think that would be 'game over' right
there and then.
Mac Breck
Good question. They should have started at the beginning and worked
their way through all three seasons, in order. If they wanted to give
everybody a taste with an effects heavy episode, as sort of a showpiece
to get everybody interested, they should have picked ONE or TWO episodes
(e.g. "The Doomsday Machine" and/or "Where No Man Has Gone Before"),
offered it on DVD (uncut) and syndication (cut for time) at about the
same time, and then start at the beginning and work their way through.
That way, they'd be able to offer whole seasons sooner.
> > when the digitally remastered and enhanced **seasons** will be
offered
> > on DVD?
>
> Paramount recently announced they'd be putting out DVDs with both
> degraded and original (although the 'original' will apparently have
the
> new terrible colors) on DVD,
Why not leave the originals "original" ? That way, it'd be a nice
contrast to the digitally remastered and enhanced ones.
> but I don't think they said when. Since
> they're jumping all over the place, they won't be able to seasons 'til
> they're done with the whole thing. Also, since they've publicly
> apologized for the poor quality of the work on the first batch,
Where did Paramount do that? Got a URL?
> one
> wonders if they'll go back and redo those at the end.
Doubt it. Remember, Paramount is the same bunch who wouldn't spend the
$ for the original music on the Keen Eddie DVD set, and instead
substituted muddy, generic crap. I feel sorry for any new show that is
made by Paramount and airs on Fox. Talk about two strikes against ya!
> > Which episodes have been digitally remastered and enhanced thus far?
>
> None have been enhanced. A dozen or more have been degraded. :)
***From the stills I've seen***, I like most of the changes in "The
Doomsday Machine." However, I want episodes that are the original
length, not ones with shortened scenes. If I were to nitpick, I'd say
that I'd like the ships to have more skin detail/surface texturing that
I saw in the stills.
PV
>or he could have seen what it looks like on line. Like at
>http://trekmovie.com/2007/02/06/first-images-from-doomsday/
>First Images From Doomsday! [UPDATED - Images Supersized] | TrekMovie.com
I don't see anything wrong with that - it definitely reduces the cheese
factor of the original. I've only seen a few of the 'updates' when tivo
happened to catch them as suggestions, and I have to say it's not the
disaster I was expecting. The changes are pretty subtle, and in some cases
put some consistency into the effects that you wish they always had.
Incidentally, has "For the World is Hollow and I have touched the sky" been
reworked? I watched that a couple weeks ago, and the space shots of Yonada
looked way better than I remembered. You're gonna laugh, but this is one of
my favorite TOS episodes.
>Like you I like some of the new effects, but my problem is when they cut
>out important dialog from the shows (like Tribbles) or cool stuff (like
>when the bum phasers himself in Guardian).
Then you've been hating TOS airings since about 1975, because they've been
cutting those scenes for a very long time. I never saw the "who threw the
first punch" lineup sceen in tribbles until techTV did the original airing
of the series uncut, for which I was very grateful, because it was
something I always knew was there from the "Making of" book. I still don't
think I've seen the bum scene, though I know what you're taking about. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
John Duncan Yoyo
Yes for sometime around Decameter on DVD for Season 1 of Remastered
which doesn't correspond to season 1 TOS. Here is a list of the
episodes that show when they first ran or are scheduled to run.
<http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series>
It looks like they are half done.
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Mac Breck
news:bmc1t21ik1m783b8j...@4ax.com...[....]
> >Which episodes have been digitally remastered and enhanced thus far?
>
> Yes for sometime around Decameter on DVD for Season 1 of Remastered
> which doesn't correspond to season 1 TOS. Here is a list of the
> episodes that show when they first ran or are scheduled to run.
> <http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series>
>
> It looks like they are half done.
> --
> John Duncan Yoyo
Thanks for the link.. :-)
Jack Bohn
>Incidentally, has "For the World is Hollow and I have touched the sky" been
>reworked? I watched that a couple weeks ago, and the space shots of Yonada
>looked way better than I remembered. You're gonna laugh, but this is one of
>my favorite TOS episodes.
Yes, you probably saw the rework. The question raised now is
whether the same asteroid used in "The Paradise Syndrome" will be
a different asteroid.
No need for embarrassment, during discussion of it in another
group, the question was raised as to whether this was the first
use of the Generation Ship on a TV. Aside from some ambiguous
cases of planets untethered from suns, and someone who brought up
that he couldn't be sure it *wasn't* in a lost episode of Captain
Video, we couldn't think of anything earlier.
--
-Jack
Anim8rFSK
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> Incidentally, has "For the World is Hollow and I have touched the sky" been
> reworked? I watched that a couple weeks ago, and the space shots of Yonada
> looked way better than I remembered. You're gonna laugh, but this is one of
> my favorite TOS episodes.
I'd never laugh at that. It's the one I got to watch them film. In
their yellow shirts. :)
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeah, I can see changing the order to give them lighter shows while they
get up to speed, but they've already done some third season and haven't
finished season 1, so it's just all over the place.
>
>
>
> > > when the digitally remastered and enhanced **seasons** will be
> offered
> > > on DVD?
> >
> > Paramount recently announced they'd be putting out DVDs with both
> > degraded and original (although the 'original' will apparently have
> the
> > new terrible colors) on DVD,
>
> Why not leave the originals "original" ? That way, it'd be a nice
> contrast to the digitally remastered and enhanced ones.
Indeed it would. But then everybody would say 'how come the colors are
wrong on the 'enhanced' shows?'
>
>
>
> > but I don't think they said when. Since
> > they're jumping all over the place, they won't be able to seasons 'til
> > they're done with the whole thing. Also, since they've publicly
> > apologized for the poor quality of the work on the first batch,
>
> Where did Paramount do that? Got a URL?
I think it was when they announced they were building a new ship model
with less detail so it would look better. Sigh. Wasn't Paramount, it
was Ross.
>
>
> > one
> > wonders if they'll go back and redo those at the end.
>
> Doubt it. Remember, Paramount is the same bunch who wouldn't spend the
> $ for the original music on the Keen Eddie DVD set, and instead
> substituted muddy, generic crap. I feel sorry for any new show that is
> made by Paramount and airs on Fox. Talk about two strikes against ya!
LOL
Michael Bowker
> In article <12t14ms...@news.supernews.com>,
> pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, has "For the World is Hollow and I have touched the sky" been
>> reworked? I watched that a couple weeks ago, and the space shots of Yonada
>> looked way better than I remembered. You're gonna laugh, but this is one of
>> my favorite TOS episodes.
Yes that was reworked. Missiles at the begining were different,
Asteroid was different, and of course the Big E.
>
> I'd never laugh at that. It's the one I got to watch them film. In
> their yellow shirts. :)
You saw the filming of TOS FTWIHAIHTTS? Man you've had quite a life. :)
So any stories?
Mac Breck
Not necessarily wrong, just different. You've got to keep an open mind.
It's possible that they might make things look new and fresh. Some of
the original colors looked awfully dreary. That's good if that's the
mood you're going for, but if it isn't, why not spruce some things up a
bit?
> > > but I don't think they said when. Since
> > > they're jumping all over the place, they won't be able to seasons
'til
> > > they're done with the whole thing. Also, since they've publicly
> > > apologized for the poor quality of the work on the first batch,
> >
> > Where did Paramount do that? Got a URL?
>
> I think it was when they announced they were building a new ship model
> with less detail so it would look better. Sigh. Wasn't Paramount, it
> was Ross.
Yeah, I saw that in JDY's URL after I wrote the post.
PV
>I'd never laugh at that. It's the one I got to watch them film. In
>their yellow shirts. :)
Wow, how old are you? I was 6 when this was filmed.
I'm a sucker for the generation ship concept, and this is actually one of
the first treks that I saw (the absolute first was the abomidable "plato's
stepchildren"). *
Anim8rFSK
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> writes:
> >I'd never laugh at that. It's the one I got to watch them film. In
> >their yellow shirts. :)
>
> Wow, how old are you? I was 6 when this was filmed.
I was . . . 13 maybe? 14? I'd have to figure out the date.
Anim8rFSK
Michael Bowker <Mi...@blueneptune.com> wrote:
Heh. Well, we usually went to California on vacation, and that year
Dad, knowing I loved Trek, somehow pulled strings with a friend of a
friend and as a surprise got us into the studio. We got lunch in the
commissary; at the next table was Robert Lansing, who sat there looking
like he was glaring at me the whole time (in fairness, I think that's
just how he looked!). I recognized him because they'd shown ASSIGNMENT
EARTH the night before. I didn't mention to Mom that Robert Lansing was
sitting behind her 'til we left, and she still hasn't forgiven me. :D
In a private dining area, alcoved so they wouldn't be bothered but could
still be seen, were the guys from Bonanza.
We got a tour of the exterior, visited Virginia City with the mountain
in the distance that turned out to be right behind a building, and the
New York Street, and Mannix's office. They took us inside to see them
film Mannix, and Mission Impossible (except they were out on location
that day) and a new show nobody had ever heard of called The Mod Squad
(we watched standing next to a morgue wall covered with captions like
"ABC Network: Date of Death Unknown"
But the highlight of course was the Trek set. They were filming the
bridge sequences that day (and sick bay and the transporter room were
'hot' sets -- power running through them and lights on). The cast and
crew were still out when we got there so I got to wander around and get
good looks at the transporter and stuck my head in the Jeffries Tube and
was on the bridge trying to read the dedication plaque in the gloom when
they shooed me out to fire it up.
Koenig had some young female visitors on stage and was standing under a
big light with his hands on his hips like Superman striking a pose for
them. And when he got on set blew all his lines. :) In fairness, he
had to keep reading 'course of asteroid -- I mean spaceship' over and
over again, so even if he got it right, it sounded like he blew it.
I got to wander behind the bridge and see how the viewscreen
transparencies were tapes up, and what the bridge looked like in cross
section since it was only half set up.
Yonada (on the other stage) was either in the process of being set up or
torn down, and there was a lot of stuff just stored there, like the
bridge viewscreen section, which had a rear projection screen installed
in it.
Tony Leader glared at me from the directors chair, but I was standing
quietly well out of traffic with an Execs secretary so he couldn't send
anybody over to pummel me mercilessly or anything. :)
I looked everywhere for the hangar deck, but of course there wasn't
really such a place.
Oh, yeah, they showed us around the executive offices too. Roddenberry
had a model of the Enterprise on his desk. Nobody was home there either.
Good times, good times. Thanks, Dad. :)
PV
>Oh, yeah, they showed us around the executive offices too. Roddenberry
>had a model of the Enterprise on his desk. Nobody was home there either.
>
>Good times, good times. Thanks, Dad. :)
Great story. The closest I've come to the movies was bicycling through the
shooting of a scene of "The untouchables" which was being filmed in Oak
Park. Oh, and I saw some of "Jaws: the revenge" being filmed during a
studio tour, in front of the largest matte painting I've ever heard of in
my life. It was like 5 stories tall, and from just one angle it made a
little dock set look like it was on the ocean. Forced perspective is COOL
when you see it up close. *
Michael Bowker
Great Story!
Man, my parents wouldn't even take me to see Disneyland, much less get
me in to see Star Trek. We just had to visit relatives. :(
Steven L.
Yeah, the only backstage thing I ever got a peek at back then was in New
York City right after the "Holiday on Ice" revue: My family and I were
walking past the dressing area (which given the large cast consisted of
a large area carelessly draped off by curtains); and I got some great
glimpses of naked female ice dancers as they were changing costumes.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
Michael Bowker
Stupid Relatives.
Brian Thorn
<Mi...@blueneptune.com> wrote:
>> Good times, good times. Thanks, Dad. :)
>
>Great Story!
Yep, just when Anim8r is getting really annoying, he pulls *that* out
of his hat... :-)
>Man, my parents wouldn't even take me to see Disneyland, much less get
>me in to see Star Trek. We just had to visit relatives. :(
I had the opposite problem. Growing up in Central Florida, all our
friends and relatives wanted to go to Disney World, so they always
came to us and we went to Disney *a lot* with them. Kennedy Space
Center, too.
Brian
William December Starr
Jack Bohn <jack...@bright.net> said:
>> The centerpiece of the new visual effects for "The Doomsday
>> Machine" is a digital rendering of the alien "planet killer,"
>> a miles-long robot spaceship that destroys worlds. CBS Digital
>> created the new version of the massive weapon, based closely
>> on the one seen in the original episode, but gave it a
>> battered, more realistic appearance.
>
> "battered"?
> The hull is neutronium! You couldn't "batter" the hull with
> an exploding starship! That's the whole point of the plot!
>
> Here's hoping it was just written by some flack who doesn't
> know what he's looking at.
I'm more impressed by the "more realistic" claim. Because
everybody knows what _real_ miles-long planet-killing machines
built by lost ancient civilizations look like...
--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
Anim8rFSK
They took a neutronium paperweight on their desk and scaled it up.
Mac Breck
news:1171146814.3...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 10, 5:52 am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > In article <bob-8B9776.15374909022...@news.west.earthlink.net>,> > > <ANIM8Rfsk-F1AC38.09033309022...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
> > > Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <12sor31jgu4b...@corp.supernews.com>,
> > > > "Hobart Floyt" <AlacrityFitzh...@WhiteShip.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > "Warchild" <b...@bob.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:bob-184EB8.2...@news.west.earthlink.net...
> > > > > > In article
<1170960938.369247.174...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > "Grimm-RHD" <d...@echoes.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> 12:00 AM, 08-FEBRUARY-07
> >
> > > > > >> Trek's 'Doomsday' Reborn
> >
> > > > > >> A digitally remastered and enhanced version of the
> > > > > >> original Star Trek series episode "The Doomsday
> > > > > >> Machine" will debut in syndication on Feb. 10,
> > > > > >> marking a milestone: It features more than 100 all-new
> > > > > >> digital visual effects shots, the most of any episode
> > > > > >> in the original series, CBS Paramount Television
> > > > > >> announced.
> >
> >
> > > > > > This one will be interesting, as it is the template show
> > > > > > used by the earlier attempt to create new CGI for
> > > > > > Star Trek:TOS.
> >
> > > > > I actually have kind of mixed feelings about this.
> > > > > This is the episode that scared the living daylights
> > > > > out of me when I was like in kindergarten.
> > > > > I'd hate to see the "killer ice cream cone" go.
> >
> > > > It's still there, it's just flat gray and uninteresting now.
> >
> > > oh please - if you're going to criticize based on a comparison,
you have
> > > at least to have *seen* the new episode.
> >
> > You missed the parts where we've seen still and clips?
> >
> >
> >
that I
> > > still am not inclined to stay awake until midnight on Saturday to
see an
> > > episode that i've seen two hundred times already. I'm too old for
that.
> >
> > Yeah. Do they show up at a reasonable time anywhere?
>
>
1:35AM Monday morning in Pittsburgh. Reasonable for my DVD recorder.
Anim8rFSK
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> writes:
> >Oh, yeah, they showed us around the executive offices too. Roddenberry
> >had a model of the Enterprise on his desk. Nobody was home there either.
> >
> >Good times, good times. Thanks, Dad. :)
>
> Great story. The closest I've come to the movies was bicycling through the
> shooting of a scene of "The untouchables" which was being filmed in Oak
> Park. Oh, and I saw some of "Jaws: the revenge" being filmed during a
> studio tour, in front of the largest matte painting I've ever heard of in
> my life. It was like 5 stories tall, and from just one angle it made a
> little dock set look like it was on the ocean. Forced perspective is COOL
> when you see it up close. *
heh
Oh, yeah, we got to see one entire side of a building with a sky cyc on
it. Wasn't very convincing when you see it in real life next to a real
sky of course. I've often wondered if that was the same sky behind the
crashed Bird of Prey in THE VOYAGE HOME.
When I was building my TIME TUNNEL model, I couldn't match the
perspective of the matte paintings at all. But when I used the 3D
camera 'shift lens' feature, like a bellows camera, it lined right up.
I can't imagine what happened that the matte painter jumped through THAT
hoop, or even how he did it!
Anim8rFSK
Michael Bowker <Mi...@blueneptune.com> wrote:
Ack! Well, we visited relatives that trip too. :)
Anim8rFSK
"Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
For some reason my office at Fox Animation became the changing room for
the girls shooting the rotoscope sequences. That was pleasant. :) Of
course once in a while you got "why is he in the changing room" and I
had to explain that they were in fact changing in my office.
Then they started holding life drawing in my office too. Same
notations. Except the life model models were skanky.
PV
>When I was building my TIME TUNNEL model, I couldn't match the
>perspective of the matte paintings at all. But when I used the 3D
>camera 'shift lens' feature, like a bellows camera, it lined right up.
>I can't imagine what happened that the matte painter jumped through THAT
>hoop, or even how he did it!
One of those great black arts that's almost dead now. Years ago I saw a
documentary on matte painting (probably part of a star wars one), and the
painter actually had a set of lenses to look through, to match the shot
that was going to be done. *
David Ball
wrote:
>I had the opposite problem. Growing up in Central Florida, all our
>friends and relatives wanted to go to Disney World, so they always
>came to us and we went to Disney *a lot* with them. Kennedy Space
>Center, too.
KSC just isn't the same. I can remember when the tours used school
busses and the tour guide would say there was a shuttle stack on the
pad and we couldn't stop there for safety reasons... As he drives
right by it at about 0.5 feet per second. IIRC, that was before STS-1.
When I was back there in the 90's, they had those fancy
air-conditioned touring busses with the shaded windows that won't open
and are hard to take a picture through. What a disappointment. It was
much better when the tours were sort of amateurish and the drivers
were space enthusiasts.
BTW, do they still tell the story where one of the networks built the
little building for their anchors with the window on the wrong side
and had to rebuild it. The network with the building next to them
painted a big sign on the side of their building
LAUNCH
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-- David