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David

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Dec 17, 2009, 1:55:57 PM12/17/09
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http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8429

EXCLUSIVE: "FRINGE" TO GET "HOUSE" BOOST ON JANUARY 11
By Brian Ford Sullivan (TFC)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- FOX is giving a "Fringe" an extra
boost before its upcoming hiatus.

Network sources have confirmed to the site exclusively that an
original installment of the second-year series will follow a new
"House" on Monday, January 11.

Said pair will face off against the time period premieres of "Chuck"
and "Heroes" on NBC as well as fresh installments of CBS's comedies
and week two of "The Bachelor: On the Wings of Love" on ABC.

As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
its run on Thursday, April 1.

New & Improved WQ

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Dec 17, 2009, 2:11:09 PM12/17/09
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On Dec 17, 1:55 pm, David <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8429
>
> EXCLUSIVE: "FRINGE" TO GET "HOUSE" BOOST ON JANUARY 11
> By Brian Ford Sullivan (TFC)
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----

>
> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- FOX is giving a "Fringe" an extra
> boost before its upcoming hiatus.
>
> Network sources have confirmed to the site exclusively that an
> original installment of the second-year series will follow a new
> "House" on Monday, January 11.
>
> Said pair will face off against the time period premieres of "Chuck"
> and "Heroes" on NBC as well as fresh installments of CBS's comedies
> and week two of "The Bachelor: On the Wings of Love" on ABC.
>
> As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
> its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
> room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
> its run on Thursday, April 1.

Fringe should've been paired with House from the start of the season
with Lie to Me paired with Bones on Thursday. Then in mid-season,
Fringe could've either stuck it out on Monday with 24 returning on
Tuesdays after American Idol or, if on the off chance it didn't do
well on Monday, Fringe could've moved back to Tuesday after Idol to
make room for 24 to be back on Monday. But aside from that, I don't
know why FOX just doesn't move Fringe back to Tuesday after Idol
anyway instead of putting on that stupid Our Little Genius. Not that
I'm a Glee fan, but it would seem smarter to have Fringe on Tuesday,
Glee still airing on Wednesday and slotting the new Human Target on
Thursday, which doesn't look like it's going to get far as it is no
matter where it airs.

Obveeus

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Dec 17, 2009, 2:34:21 PM12/17/09
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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
> its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
> room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
> its run on Thursday, April 1.

Fringe would have a better chance at survival if they kept it on Monday for
more than just the one special airing after House. FOX should return
Thursday 9pm to a reality show of some sort as counter programming to what
all the other networks offer.


shawn

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Dec 17, 2009, 2:56:57 PM12/17/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:21 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
>> its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
>> room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
>> its run on Thursday, April 1.

This is the kind of move that really screws people up when the show
changes nights especially when it's only for one night. Unless they
plan on rebroadcasting the Monday night shown on Thursday night there
are going to be people that miss it. That's not the best move for Fox
to make.

>Fringe would have a better chance at survival if they kept it on Monday for
>more than just the one special airing after House. FOX should return
>Thursday 9pm to a reality show of some sort as counter programming to what
>all the other networks offer.
>

You are expecting the network executives to make programming decisions
that make sense? I do agree that they really should be counter
programming on Thursdays as there's no way they can really impact the
juggernauts that exist there for now. Maybe in a few more years "CSI"
will go away and leave an opening but for now I don't think putting
"Fringe" up against it makes much sense. Going ahead and putting on a
kid friendly show up against either "Survivor" or "CSI" makes a lot of
sense to me.

Obveeus

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Dec 17, 2009, 3:15:58 PM12/17/09
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"shawn" <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:21 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Fringe would have a better chance at survival if they kept it on Monday
>>for
>>more than just the one special airing after House. FOX should return
>>Thursday 9pm to a reality show of some sort as counter programming to what
>>all the other networks offer.
>>
> You are expecting the network executives to make programming decisions
> that make sense?

They did ok with kitchen reality stuff last year, didn't they? Why did they
decide to give up reality fare in that slot? I know that Thursday is highly
valuable, but counterprogramming with something really cheap was still FOX's
best move.

> Going ahead and putting on a
> kid friendly show up against either "Survivor" or "CSI" makes a lot of
> sense to me.

All the kids are watching Grey's Anatomy and Supernatural, though.
Meanwhile, the reality audience at 9pm Thursday is currently untapped.


Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 17, 2009, 3:28:09 PM12/17/09
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>http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8429

>EXCLUSIVE: "FRINGE" TO GET "HOUSE" BOOST ON JANUARY 11
>By Brian Ford Sullivan (TFC)

>LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- FOX is giving a "Fringe" an extra


>boost before its upcoming hiatus.

>Network sources have confirmed to the site exclusively that an
>original installment of the second-year series will follow a new
>"House" on Monday, January 11.

>Said pair will face off against the time period premieres of "Chuck"
>and "Heroes" on NBC as well as fresh installments of CBS's comedies
>and week two of "The Bachelor: On the Wings of Love" on ABC.

>As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
>its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
>room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
>its run on Thursday, April 1.

Assholes. Those one-off episodes in special time slots are easy to miss.
This is worse than bringing back the remaining episodes later in the season.

Ian J. Ball

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Dec 17, 2009, 3:47:12 PM12/17/09
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In article <0kvki55992oksjnvp...@4ax.com>,
David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8429
>
> EXCLUSIVE: "FRINGE" TO GET "HOUSE" BOOST ON JANUARY 11
> By Brian Ford Sullivan (TFC)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>

> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- FOX is giving a "Fringe" an extra
> boost before its upcoming hiatus.

Is this the show about the avant-garde "performance artists"?

--
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- Patrick Jane, "The Mentalist", 02/11/09

David

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Dec 17, 2009, 4:18:14 PM12/17/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:47:12 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>In article <0kvki55992oksjnvp...@4ax.com>,
> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8429
>>
>> EXCLUSIVE: "FRINGE" TO GET "HOUSE" BOOST ON JANUARY 11
>> By Brian Ford Sullivan (TFC)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- FOX is giving a "Fringe" an extra
>> boost before its upcoming hiatus.
>
>Is this the show about the avant-garde "performance artists"?

It's a show about the Pac 10 conference.

Mac Breck

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Dec 17, 2009, 6:53:59 PM12/17/09
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Oh boy, they move from one overcrowded night to a different overcrowded
night. :-( On Thursday, I can't watch because it's on across from CSI
and Supernatural, and now on Mondays I can't watch because it's on
across from Two and a Half Men, *The Big Bang Theory* and Heroes. Wish
they'd air it Tuesday at 10PM (I'd give up NCIS-LA.), Wednesday at 9PM
(I'd give up the ABC comedies.) or 10PM, or any time on Friday when
nothing worthwhile is on.

--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
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Galen (to Gideon): "I've been penalized before for helping other
people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."


suzee

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Dec 17, 2009, 7:03:33 PM12/17/09
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I think it's just moving for the one night.

Mac Breck

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Dec 17, 2009, 7:08:30 PM12/17/09
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Probably for the purpose of testing what numbers it can make there.
Maybe they're looking for another night to be the _permanent_ home of
Fringe, but Monday isn't it.

Barry Margolin

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:05:03 PM12/17/09
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In article <cv2li5prb5g5tonor...@4ax.com>,
shawn <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:21 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
> >> its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
> >> room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
> >> its run on Thursday, April 1.
>
> This is the kind of move that really screws people up when the show
> changes nights especially when it's only for one night. Unless they
> plan on rebroadcasting the Monday night shown on Thursday night there
> are going to be people that miss it. That's not the best move for Fox
> to make.

The previous week's episode should promote the special airing, so most
regular viewers should be warned. The purpose of things like this is to
attract viewers of House who haven't been watching Fringe.

--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***

Barry Margolin

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:06:32 PM12/17/09
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In article <TO2dnZ6AU-BZVbfW...@supernews.com>,
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

No, I think they're doing it mainly to attract new viewers. House has
lots of viewers, and many of them may stick around for Fringe, and
they're hoping some of them will then become viewers of the Thursday
show.

Ian J. Ball

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:06:49 PM12/17/09
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In article <tv7li5hl2ofgi8c1s...@4ax.com>,
David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!

Fred Ellis

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:16:24 PM12/17/09
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And this is why the VCR and later the DVD Recorder were invented. So
people like me can watch 'Chuck', 'Heroes', 'House' and 'Fringe', and
not miss an episode.


Fred Ellis
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(To e-mail me, remove the X from my address)

David

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:21:23 PM12/17/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:06:49 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>In article <tv7li5hl2ofgi8c1s...@4ax.com>,
> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:47:12 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
>> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>> >Is this the show about the avant-garde "performance artists"?
>>
>> It's a show about the Pac 10 conference.
>
>Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
>Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!

Then how come most people can only name USC and "the one with the
duck"?

suzee

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:34:20 PM12/17/09
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Oregon!

And UW, WSU, I think, UCLA...? Maybe Idaho and UNR or UNLV... Stanford?

John McWilliams

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:36:41 PM12/17/09
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C'mon: Two types of Bears; a reddish color; beavers (butthead laugh)-
what's not to like??

--
john mcwilliams

Obveeus

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:49:28 PM12/17/09
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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tv7li5hl2ofgi8c1s...@4ax.com...

I bet tonight's Fringe rerun looks better than usual in the ratings
tomorrow...at least until the final ratings come out and the Indy market is
subtracted away for showing the Colts.


Obveeus

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:52:28 PM12/17/09
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"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
> Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!

They went 5-0 in last year's bowl games. Any chance they can best that this
year?

Side note: I think it will suck if they let BYU and Utah into the Pac-10.


Obveeus

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:57:19 PM12/17/09
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"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> suzee wrote:
>> Mac Breck wrote:
>>> Oh boy, they move from one overcrowded night to a different
>>> overcrowded night. :-( On Thursday, I can't watch because it's on
>>> across from CSI and Supernatural, and now on Mondays I can't watch
>>> because it's on across from Two and a Half Men, *The Big Bang
>>> Theory* and Heroes. Wish they'd air it Tuesday at 10PM (I'd give up
>>> NCIS-LA.), Wednesday at 9PM (I'd give up the ABC comedies.) or 10PM,
>>> or any time on Friday when nothing worthwhile is on.
>>
>> I think it's just moving for the one night.
>
> Probably for the purpose of testing what numbers it can make there.
> Maybe they're looking for another night to be the _permanent_ home of
> Fringe, but Monday isn't it.

Monday might be perfect, actually. Heroes will be done in early February,
so maybe FOX is thinking about trying to pick up those 'sci-fi' fans with
Fringe?


Obveeus

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Dec 17, 2009, 10:00:55 PM12/17/09
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"suzee" <suz...@imbris.com> wrote:

> David wrote:


>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:06:49 -0800, "Ian J. Ball" wrote:
>>> Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
>>> Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!
>>
>> Then how come most people can only name USC and "the one with the
>> duck"?
>
> Oregon!
>
> And UW, WSU, I think, UCLA...?

yes. yes. yes

> Maybe Idaho and UNR or UNLV...

no. no. no.

> Stanford?

Yes. and Cal and

Also Arizona and Arizona State and...

Alas, I might expect you not to get Oregon State, but how is it that the
'Beavers' slipped past David's mind undetected?


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Obveeus

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Dec 17, 2009, 10:25:26 PM12/17/09
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"Paul Arthur" <flower...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I couldn't name a single Pac-10 team. In fact, without context I
> wouldn't even know that it referred to football. (Next you're going to
> tell me that it's not just football.)

It's not just football. There are many other things that you know nothing
about as well.

...or is that not what you meant?


Mac Breck

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:03:54 PM12/17/09
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Yes, provided that you have enough recorders and/or timer recording
event capacity to cover all eventualities.

Mac Breck

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:08:46 PM12/17/09
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Well, that's certainly another possibility.

Fred Ellis

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:24:39 PM12/17/09
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No problem, I have 4 DVD Recorders. They're more than enough to get the
job done.

David

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:37:04 PM12/17/09
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I'm supposed to know Oregon AND Oregon State? I barely know where the
actual state is*.


*I may get this 'un wrong.

suzee

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:37:16 PM12/17/09
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Obveeus wrote:
> "suzee" <suz...@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> David wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:06:49 -0800, "Ian J. Ball" wrote:
>>>> Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
>>>> Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!
>>> Then how come most people can only name USC and "the one with the
>>> duck"?
>> Oregon!
>>
>> And UW, WSU, I think, UCLA...?
>
> yes. yes. yes
>
>> Maybe Idaho and UNR or UNLV...
>
> no. no. no.

There was talk at one point about UI joining the PAC10; it was a while
back, so wasn't sure if they had.

>> Stanford?
>
> Yes. and Cal and

Yeah, it's Cal, was going to put UCB in....


>
> Also Arizona and Arizona State and...

Not as familiar with those schools.


>
> Alas, I might expect you not to get Oregon State, but how is it that the
> 'Beavers' slipped past David's mind undetected?

I forgot OSU, shouldn'ta... my SIL went there. I grew up in the NW, and
lived in No. CA a few years. I don't follow college football, but a lot
of it sinks in by osmosis through listening to local newscasts and who's
involved in what.

Obveeus

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:42:20 PM12/17/09
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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Iexpect you to get confused about Washington State since you East Coasters
mostly think it is a small square between Virginia and Maryland. However,
you should learn where Oregon is on the map: California's hat.

Meanwhile, I'm still wondering why the only Pac-10 team you were sure about
is the one named after a prophylactic.


David

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Dec 18, 2009, 12:01:46 AM12/18/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:42:20 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>Meanwhile, I'm still wondering why the only Pac-10 team you were sure about
>is the one named after a prophylactic.

Much of my knowledge of non-NY teams comes out of pure hatred.

Dan Lanciani

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Dec 18, 2009, 1:50:59 AM12/18/09
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In article <barmar-F4058D....@news.eternal-september.org>, bar...@alum.mit.edu (Barry Margolin) writes:
| In article <cv2li5prb5g5tonor...@4ax.com>,
| shawn <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:
|
| > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:21 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
| >
| > >
| > >"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| > >> As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
| > >> its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
| > >> room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
| > >> its run on Thursday, April 1.
| >
| > This is the kind of move that really screws people up when the show
| > changes nights especially when it's only for one night. Unless they
| > plan on rebroadcasting the Monday night shown on Thursday night there
| > are going to be people that miss it. That's not the best move for Fox
| > to make.
|
| The previous week's episode should promote the special airing, so most
| regular viewers should be warned.

Are there going to be any new episodes between now and the special Monday
showing? I don't watch the repeats so I'd miss the promotion unless the
previous week's episode (at the regular time) was new...

Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com

Merrick Baldelli

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Dec 18, 2009, 2:14:06 AM12/18/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:16:24 -0600, Fred Ellis <fke...@xstic.net>
wrote:

>And this is why the VCR and later the DVD Recorder were invented. So
>people like me can watch 'Chuck', 'Heroes', 'House' and 'Fringe', and
>not miss an episode.

Or for those of us that don't have a television -- Hulu.

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Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 18, 2009, 2:32:25 AM12/18/09
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Dan Lanciani <ddl@danlan.*com> wrote:

>Are there going to be any new episodes [of "Fringe"] between now and


>the special Monday showing? I don't watch the repeats so I'd miss
>the promotion unless the previous week's episode (at the regular time)
>was new...

According to thefutoncritic, no.

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 18, 2009, 2:33:28 AM12/18/09
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David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>>>>Is this the show about the avant-garde "performance artists"?

>>>It's a show about the Pac 10 conference.

>>Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
>>Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!

>Then how come most people can only name USC and "the one with the
>duck"?

Why a duck? Why a-no chicken?

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 18, 2009, 2:35:13 AM12/18/09
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Barry Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>No, I think they're doing it mainly to attract new viewers. House has
>lots of viewers, and many of them may stick around for Fringe, and
>they're hoping some of them will then become viewers of the Thursday
>show.

"House, M.D." viewers will want House to treat Walter, but this would
ruin the show. I don't think it's the same audience.

Dimensional Traveler

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:18:52 AM12/18/09
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Welcome to why networks do this stupid self-defeating
"counter-programming". The idea isn't to get you to watch their shows,
its to get you to not watch the other network's shows.

--
"Dude. They've gone fractal."

Dimensional Traveler

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:21:09 AM12/18/09
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Merrick Baldelli wrote:
>
> Or for those of us that don't have a television
>
UN-AMERICAN HERETIC!!!

Mark Nobles

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Dec 18, 2009, 4:00:33 AM12/18/09
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Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

> Assholes. Those one-off episodes in special time slots are easy to miss.
> This is worse than bringing back the remaining episodes later in the season.

But this is much worse than an ordinary one-off gag. It's a one-off
with a month hiatus before it and two months after it.

Obveeus

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Dec 18, 2009, 7:18:07 AM12/18/09
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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:323mi5508leellr9e...@4ax.com...

So then, you only like the Buffalo Bills, right?


David

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Dec 18, 2009, 10:10:04 AM12/18/09
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No there's a run of new episodes in January and February.

David V. Loewe, Jr

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:26:47 AM12/18/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:15:58 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>"shawn" <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:21 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>>>Fringe would have a better chance at survival if they kept it on Monday
>>>for
>>>more than just the one special airing after House. FOX should return
>>>Thursday 9pm to a reality show of some sort as counter programming to what
>>>all the other networks offer.
>>>
>> You are expecting the network executives to make programming decisions
>> that make sense?
>
>They did ok with kitchen reality stuff last year, didn't they? Why did they
>decide to give up reality fare in that slot? I know that Thursday is highly
>valuable, but counterprogramming with something really cheap was still FOX's
>best move.
>
>> Going ahead and putting on a
>> kid friendly show up against either "Survivor" or "CSI" makes a lot of
>> sense to me.
>
>All the kids are watching Grey's Anatomy and Supernatural, though.
>Meanwhile, the reality audience at 9pm Thursday is currently untapped.

The Fox station here shows news at 9 PM...
--
"...you know, it seems to me you suffer from the problem of
wanting a tailored fit in an off the rack world."
Dennis Juds

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:29:34 AM12/18/09
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According to thefutoncritic:

Monday, January 11
Thursday, January 14, 21, 28, February 4

hiatus

Thursday, April 1 till May 20, but two of those weeks are repeats.

David Loewe, Jr.

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:32:26 AM12/18/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:21:23 -0500, David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:06:49 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
><ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:47:12 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"


>>> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> >Is this the show about the avant-garde "performance artists"?
>>>
>>> It's a show about the Pac 10 conference.
>>
>>Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
>>Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!
>
>Then how come most people can only name USC and "the one with the
>duck"?

Whither the Huskies? Whither the Bruins?

The two kitties.
Jerry Mathers.
Yogi.
The tree.
And the devil.

That is Arizona Wildcats and WSU Cougars
Oregon State Beavers
Cal Bears
The Stanford Cardinal (represented by a tree of all things)
And the Arizona State Sun Devils
--
"On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they turn back time
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime."
Al Stewart & Peter Wood

David V. Loewe, Jr

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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:34:20 -0700, suzee <suz...@imbris.com> wrote:

>David wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:06:49 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
>> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:47:12 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
>>>> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Is this the show about the avant-garde "performance artists"?
>>>> It's a show about the Pac 10 conference.
>>> Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
>>> Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!
>>
>> Then how come most people can only name USC and "the one with the
>> duck"?
>

>Oregon!
>
>And UW, WSU, I think, UCLA...? Maybe Idaho

WAC

>and UNR

WAC

>or UNLV...

Mountain West Conference

>Stanford?

Indeed.

U$C
UCLA
U Dub
WSU
Oregon
OSU
Stanford
Cal
Arizona
ASU
--
"A good reputation is more valuable than money."
Publius Syrus

David Loewe, Jr.

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:38:00 AM12/18/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:15:28 -0500, Paul Arthur
<flower...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I couldn't name a single Pac-10 team. In fact, without context I
>wouldn't even know that it referred to football. (Next you're going to
>tell me that it's not just football.)

It's not just football. It's all athletics.
--
"Oh a sleeping drunkard up in Central Park
Or the lion hunter in the jungle dark
Or the chinese dentist or the British Queen
They all fit together in the same machine"
-Vonnegut, Pack, Puerta, Drummond & North

David Loewe, Jr.

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:39:36 AM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:18:07 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote


>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:42:20 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Meanwhile, I'm still wondering why the only Pac-10 team you were sure
>>>about is the one named after a prophylactic.

Hector and Paris would like a word with you...

>> Much of my knowledge of non-NY teams comes out of pure hatred.
>
>So then, you only like the Buffalo Bills, right?

Syracuse.
--
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by
making the other poor bastard die for his country."
- George Smith Patton, Jr.

Iain

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:39:38 AM12/18/09
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Obveeus wrote:
> "suzee" <suz...@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> David wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:06:49 -0800, "Ian J. Ball" wrote:
>>>> Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
>>>> Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!
>>> Then how come most people can only name USC and "the one with the
>>> duck"?
>> Oregon!
>>
>> And UW, WSU, I think, UCLA...?
>
> yes. yes. yes
>
>> Maybe Idaho and UNR or UNLV...
>
> no. no. no.
>
>> Stanford?
>
> Yes. and Cal and
>
> Also Arizona and Arizona State and...
>
> Alas, I might expect you not to get Oregon State, but how is it that the
> 'Beavers' slipped past David's mind undetected?
>
>

Are you trying to say most Americans aren't slightest bit interested in
England v South Africa Tests? (GASP!!!!!!) : )
http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/story/440147.html

David V. Loewe, Jr

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:42:10 AM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:33:28 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:

>David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>>David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>>Is this the show about the avant-garde "performance artists"?
>
>>>>It's a show about the Pac 10 conference.
>
>>>Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
>>>Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!
>
>>Then how come most people can only name USC and "the one with the
>>duck"?
>
>Why a duck?

It famously rains a LOT in Oregon.

>Why a-no chicken?

Delaware.
--
"Choose your friends wisely."
Dr. Jerry Pournelle

David Loewe, Jr.

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:43:42 AM12/18/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:53:59 -0500, "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>David wrote:

>> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8429
>>
>> EXCLUSIVE: "FRINGE" TO GET "HOUSE" BOOST ON JANUARY 11
>> By Brian Ford Sullivan (TFC)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>----------
>>
>> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- FOX is giving a "Fringe" an extra
>> boost before its upcoming hiatus.
>>
>> Network sources have confirmed to the site exclusively that an
>> original installment of the second-year series will follow a new
>> "House" on Monday, January 11.
>>
>> Said pair will face off against the time period premieres of "Chuck"
>> and "Heroes" on NBC as well as fresh installments of CBS's comedies
>> and week two of "The Bachelor: On the Wings of Love" on ABC.
>>
>> As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
>> its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
>> room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
>> its run on Thursday, April 1.
>

>Oh boy, they move from one overcrowded night to a different overcrowded
>night. :-( On Thursday, I can't watch because it's on across from CSI
>and Supernatural, and now on Mondays I can't watch because it's on
>across from Two and a Half Men, *The Big Bang Theory* and Heroes. Wish
>they'd air it Tuesday at 10PM (I'd give up NCIS-LA.), Wednesday at 9PM
>(I'd give up the ABC comedies.) or 10PM, or any time on Friday when
>nothing worthwhile is on.

DVR (even I can afford one) and Hulu are your friends.
--
"There is a time and a place for tact (and there are times when
tact is entirely misplaced)."
-Laurence VanCott Niven

David V. Loewe, Jr

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:46:53 AM12/18/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:03:54 -0500, "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Fred Ellis wrote:
>> David wrote:

>>> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8429
>>>
>>> EXCLUSIVE: "FRINGE" TO GET "HOUSE" BOOST ON JANUARY 11
>>> By Brian Ford Sullivan (TFC)
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>-----------
>>>
>>> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- FOX is giving a "Fringe" an extra
>>> boost before its upcoming hiatus.
>>>
>>> Network sources have confirmed to the site exclusively that an
>>> original installment of the second-year series will follow a new
>>> "House" on Monday, January 11.
>>>
>>> Said pair will face off against the time period premieres of "Chuck"
>>> and "Heroes" on NBC as well as fresh installments of CBS's comedies
>>> and week two of "The Bachelor: On the Wings of Love" on ABC.
>>>
>>> As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
>>> its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
>>> room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
>>> its run on Thursday, April 1.
>>

>> And this is why the VCR and later the DVD Recorder were invented. So
>> people like me can watch 'Chuck', 'Heroes', 'House' and 'Fringe', and
>> not miss an episode.
>
>Yes, provided that you have enough recorders and/or timer recording
>event capacity to cover all eventualities.

U-verse lets you record four programs at once...
--
"Anybody that wants the presidency so much he'll spend two years
organising and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the
office."
- David Broder

Mac Breck

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Dec 18, 2009, 12:31:17 PM12/18/09
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Can they be programmed manually, i.e. *forced* to timer record a certain
date/time/channel? Can they be used with analog cable? I dunno. I
keep seeing stories how they didn't tape stuff that they should have,
and about the hard drives failing.

> and Hulu are your friends.

--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999) - "War Zone"
Galen (to Gideon): "I've been penalized before for helping other
people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."


David V. Loewe, Jr

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Dec 18, 2009, 2:55:33 PM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:31:17 -0500, "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Yes.

>Can they be used with analog cable?

AFAIK

>I dunno. I
>keep seeing stories how they didn't tape stuff that they should have,
>and about the hard drives failing.

Do you worry about your computer HD failing? They are the very same
drives.

>> and Hulu are your friends.
--

"I want to know what became of the changes
We waited for love to bring.
Were they only the fitful dreams
Of some greater awakening?"
Clyde J. Browne

Ian J. Ball

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:11:19 PM12/18/09
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In article <4nbni55874c7kvr3t...@4ax.com>,

THE BEST TEAMS IN ALL OF COLLEGE SPORTS!!!1!11!! :D

--
"There's no business, like Cho business."
- Patrick Jane, "The Mentalist", 02/11/09

Ian J. Ball

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:13:58 PM12/18/09
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In article <7p1pia...@mid.individual.net>, Iain <ia...@comnet.co.uk>
wrote:

Rugby? Or soccer? If the latter, maybe. If the former, probably not...
;)

David V. Loewe, Jr

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Dec 18, 2009, 4:42:54 PM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:13:58 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>Iain <ia...@comnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Obveeus wrote:
>> > "suzee" <suz...@imbris.com> wrote:
>> >> David wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:06:49 -0800, "Ian J. Ball" wrote:

>> >>>> Now I know you're joking - there's nothing that says "mainstream
>> >>>> Americana" like Pac-10 Football!!!
>> >>> Then how come most people can only name USC and "the one with the
>> >>> duck"?
>> >> Oregon!
>> >>
>> >> And UW, WSU, I think, UCLA...?
>> >
>> > yes. yes. yes
>> >
>> >> Maybe Idaho and UNR or UNLV...
>> >
>> > no. no. no.
>> >
>> >> Stanford?
>> >
>> > Yes. and Cal and
>> >
>> > Also Arizona and Arizona State and...
>> >
>> > Alas, I might expect you not to get Oregon State, but how is it that the
>> > 'Beavers' slipped past David's mind undetected?
>>
>> Are you trying to say most Americans aren't slightest bit interested in
>> England v South Africa Tests? (GASP!!!!!!) : )
>
>Rugby? Or soccer?

Likely cricket.

>If the latter, maybe. If the former, probably not...
>;)
--

David

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Dec 18, 2009, 5:06:51 PM12/18/09
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On Dec 18, 3:11 pm, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> In article <4nbni55874c7kvr3tr74qkkh6htjlc2...@4ax.com>,

>  "David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> wrote:

> > U$C
> > UCLA
> > U Dub
> > WSU
> > Oregon
> > OSU
> > Stanford
> > Cal
> > Arizona
> > ASU
>
> THE BEST TEAMS IN ALL OF COLLEGE SPORTS!!!1!11!!  :D

As an impartial observer (since I don't care about college football
and only watch what's interesting) I would rank the SEC first for
having the best games, Big 12 second, Big 10 third and Pac 10 fourth
(almost by default).

Honestly there isn't much reason to follow it if you don't live in the
area except to root against USC. I actually know nothing about UCLA.

Obveeus

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Dec 18, 2009, 5:17:05 PM12/18/09
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"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>As an impartial observer (since I don't care about college football
>and only watch what's interesting) I would rank the SEC first for
>having the best games, Big 12 second, Big 10 third and Pac 10 fourth
>(almost by default).

The ACC just added you to their hit list.

>Honestly there isn't much reason to follow it if you don't live in the
>area

Isn't that true of all the conferences?


A Watcher

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Dec 18, 2009, 5:21:00 PM12/18/09
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If you graduated from one of those schools it doesn't matter where you
live. You might still be a big fan of your alma mater.
I qualify in that regard.

Obveeus

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Dec 18, 2009, 5:28:22 PM12/18/09
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"A Watcher" <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:hggv8a$nqg$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

Agreed, but it still goes back to identifying with a regional team (your
region being linked to school days). The point is that people don't tend to
seek out the best college football, they tend to seek out the football they
identify with. As Ian can verify, if people were actually seeking out the
best football something like the Oregon vs. Oregon State game this year
would have been huge while the Florida State vs. Alabama game would have
been considered ho-hum.


David

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Dec 18, 2009, 5:32:23 PM12/18/09
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On Dec 18, 5:17 pm, "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:

> "David" <dimla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >As an impartial observer (since I don't care about college football
> >and only watch what's interesting) I would rank the SEC first for
> >having the best games, Big 12 second, Big 10 third and Pac 10 fourth
> >(almost by default).
>
> The ACC just added you to their hit list.

Bah. Can't think of any teams that interest me there. I guess Boston
College, just because it's my birthright to despise Boston, but they
aren't a big deal.

> >Honestly there isn't much reason to follow it if you don't live in the
> >area
>
> Isn't that true of all the conferences?

I don't live in any of those areas but those conferences can still
draw me in for quality matchups, in the order I listed.

Jim Gysin

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Dec 18, 2009, 6:19:52 PM12/18/09
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Barry Margolin sent the following on 12/17/2009 8:05 PM:
> In article <cv2li5prb5g5tonor...@4ax.com>,
> shawn <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:21 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
>>>> its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
>>>> room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
>>>> its run on Thursday, April 1.
>> This is the kind of move that really screws people up when the show
>> changes nights especially when it's only for one night. Unless they
>> plan on rebroadcasting the Monday night shown on Thursday night there
>> are going to be people that miss it. That's not the best move for Fox
>> to make.
>
> The previous week's episode should promote the special airing, so most
> regular viewers should be warned. The purpose of things like this is to
> attract viewers of House who haven't been watching Fringe.

It would be a perfect slot for a repeat of one of their stronger
episodes, especially one not heavy on the arc. By doing so, those who
only look to Thursday nights for their FRINGE fix don't get burned by
missing an ep, and potential newbies get exposed to one of the show's
better efforts.

--
Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI

Mac Breck

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Dec 18, 2009, 7:20:44 PM12/18/09
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No, but then again, my computer is not running 24/7/365. Aren't DVR
hard drives spinning whenever they're plugged in, or do they come on and
spin up right before they're to start recording?

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 18, 2009, 8:03:08 PM12/18/09
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David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>"Ian J. Ball" <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>>Iain <ia...@comnet.co.uk> wrote:

>>>Are you trying to say most Americans aren't slightest bit interested in
>>>England v South Africa Tests? (GASP!!!!!!) : )

>>Rugby? Or soccer?

>Likely cricket.

Why cannot India and Pakistan conduct all diplomacy on the cricket field?
Whoever wins gets to administer Kashmir. Jurisdiction can shift back and
forth. Anything is better than planning to nuke each other.

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 18, 2009, 8:06:14 PM12/18/09
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David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:

. . . only one or two in HD, depending on where you are. The commercials
forget to emphasize that.

Also, U-verse drives have less program capacity than drives in machines
rented from cable companies. I don't know why, given how cheap hard drives
have become.

David Loewe, Jr.

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Dec 18, 2009, 8:23:54 PM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:06:51 -0800 (PST), David <diml...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Dec 18, 3:11�pm, "Ian J. Ball" <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:

>> �"David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> > U$C
>> > UCLA
>> > U Dub
>> > WSU
>> > Oregon
>> > OSU
>> > Stanford
>> > Cal
>> > Arizona
>> > ASU
>>
>> THE BEST TEAMS IN ALL OF COLLEGE SPORTS!!!1!11!! �:D
>
>As an impartial observer (since I don't care about college football
>and only watch what's interesting) I would rank the SEC first for
>having the best games, Big 12 second, Big 10 third and Pac 10 fourth
>(almost by default).

Whither the Big Least or ACC?

Truthfully, the most entertaining game I saw all year was the Boise
State vs Fresno State WAC game.

>Honestly there isn't much reason to follow it if you don't live in the
>area except to root against USC. I actually know nothing about UCLA.

Bouncyball school.

David V. Loewe, Jr

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Dec 18, 2009, 8:26:00 PM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:28:22 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>"A Watcher" <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote

Considering that Florida *State* didn't play 'Bama this year, that was
quite a snoozer...
--
"It is a consolation to the wretched to have companions in misery."
- Publius Syrus

David Loewe, Jr.

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Dec 18, 2009, 8:30:45 PM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:20:44 -0500, "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:31:17 -0500, "Mac Breck"
>> <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> David Loewe, Jr. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:53:59 -0500, "Mac Breck"
>>>> <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> David wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8429

>>>>> Oh boy, they move from one overcrowded night to a different


>>>>> overcrowded night. :-( On Thursday, I can't watch because it's on
>>>>> across from CSI and Supernatural, and now on Mondays I can't watch
>>>>> because it's on across from Two and a Half Men, *The Big Bang
>>>>> Theory* and Heroes. Wish they'd air it Tuesday at 10PM (I'd give
>>>>> up NCIS-LA.), Wednesday at 9PM (I'd give up the ABC comedies.) or
>>>>> 10PM, or any time on Friday when nothing worthwhile is on.
>>>>
>>>> DVR (even I can afford one)
>>>
>>> Can they be programmed manually, i.e. *forced* to timer record a
>>> certain date/time/channel?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> Can they be used with analog cable?
>>
>> AFAIK
>>
>>> I dunno. I keep seeing stories how they didn't tape stuff that
>>> they should have, and about the hard drives failing.
>>
>> Do you worry about your computer HD failing? They are the very same
>> drives.
>
>No, but then again, my computer is not running 24/7/365.

Mine is.

>Aren't DVR hard drives spinning whenever they're plugged in, or do they
>come on and spin up right before they're to start recording?

Couldn't tell you for sure.

The one I have, if you are worried about such things, can be backed up
to an external drive or even a computer.
--
"Killing is not wrong if it's for a purpose, if it's to keep your nation
free or protect your buddy. One of the most noble things you can do is
kill the enemy."
- Major Douglas A. Zembiec

A Watcher

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Dec 18, 2009, 9:16:28 PM12/18/09
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Mac Breck wrote:

>
> No, but then again, my computer is not running 24/7/365. Aren't DVR
> hard drives spinning whenever they're plugged in, or do they come on and
> spin up right before they're to start recording?
>

My Directv Tivo receivers shut down if I put them on Standby.

Mark Nobles

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Dec 18, 2009, 10:04:22 PM12/18/09
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Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

> David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:


> >Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>

> >>>Assholes. Those one-off episodes in special time slots are easy to miss.
> >>>This is worse than bringing back the remaining episodes later in the
> >>>season.
>
> >>But this is much worse than an ordinary one-off gag. It's a one-off
> >>with a month hiatus before it and two months after it.
>
> >No there's a run of new episodes in January and February.
>
> According to thefutoncritic:
>
> Monday, January 11
> Thursday, January 14, 21, 28, February 4
>
> hiatus
>
> Thursday, April 1 till May 20, but two of those weeks are repeats.

Thanks for the correction. I got the two-month hiatus too soon.

Extravagan

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:50:45 PM12/18/09
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David Loewe, Jr. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:20:44 -0500, "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
>>> Do you worry about your computer HD failing? They are the very same
>>> drives.
>> No, but then again, my computer is not running 24/7/365.
>
> Mine is.
>
>> Aren't DVR hard drives spinning whenever they're plugged in, or do they
>> come on and spin up right before they're to start recording?
>
> Couldn't tell you for sure.
>
> The one I have, if you are worried about such things, can be backed up
> to an external drive or even a computer.

Don't drives take more stress spinning up and spinning down than they do
spinning steadily anyway? So switching a drive on and off a lot might be
worse for its longevity than leaving it on, at least for some drives.

A Watcher

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:53:56 PM12/18/09
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Powering down overnight makes sense. My DVR might go days without being
turned on.

Ian J. Ball

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Dec 19, 2009, 1:09:09 AM12/19/09
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In article <mlaoi5trg5sq6m33a...@4ax.com>,

Hardly! - MORE NCAA CHAMPIONSHIPS THAN ANY OTHER COLLEGE!!!
Whooooooo! Go Bruins!!! :D

Merrick Baldelli

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Dec 19, 2009, 12:38:33 AM12/19/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:21:09 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

>Merrick Baldelli wrote:
>>
>> Or for those of us that don't have a television
>>
>UN-AMERICAN HERETIC!!!

Shocking, isn't it?

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/ / stopped taking their medication?
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Merrick Baldelli

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Dec 19, 2009, 12:38:34 AM12/19/09
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The hard drive on Motorola units will spin down and park after
x number of hours; depending on the config file pushed by the Cable
Company. Default is 4 hours.

Dimensional Traveler

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Dec 19, 2009, 4:19:59 AM12/19/09
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Merrick Baldelli wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:21:09 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> Merrick Baldelli wrote:
>>> Or for those of us that don't have a television
>>>
>> UN-AMERICAN HERETIC!!!
>
> Shocking, isn't it?
>
No, not really.

--
"Dude. They've gone fractal."

David V. Loewe, Jr

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Dec 19, 2009, 10:20:41 AM12/19/09
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And what are they *known for*? Coach John Wooden and all those
bouncyball championships.
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Anim8rFSK

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Dec 19, 2009, 10:49:43 AM12/19/09
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In article <4jpoi5hlcjv865b53...@4ax.com>,
Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:16:28 -0800, A Watcher
> <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Mac Breck wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> No, but then again, my computer is not running 24/7/365. Aren't DVR
> >> hard drives spinning whenever they're plugged in, or do they come on and
> >> spin up right before they're to start recording?
> >
> >My Directv Tivo receivers shut down if I put them on Standby.
>
> The hard drive on Motorola units will spin down and park after
> x number of hours; depending on the config file pushed by the Cable
> Company. Default is 4 hours.

Mine is time dependant. You can leave it running all day, but you can't
leave it running all night without it going into standby mode.

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His chosen event? The Broad Jump.

Ian J. Ball

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Dec 19, 2009, 12:48:32 PM12/19/09
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In article <aorpi5pj7ktatlrln...@4ax.com>,

Real people 'in the know' know them for all of their 100+ NCAA
Championships. Like in baseball. Gymnastics. Volleyball. Water polo...
;p

David Loewe, Jr.

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Dec 19, 2009, 2:49:54 PM12/19/09
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:48:32 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
<ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:

That is a funny way to spell "alumni."

>know them for all of their 100+ NCAA
>Championships. Like in baseball. Gymnastics. Volleyball. Water polo...
>;p

:-�
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Ian J. Ball

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Dec 19, 2009, 3:03:59 PM12/19/09
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On Dec 19, 11:49 am, "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:48:32 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
>
>
>
> <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> > "David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:09:09 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
> >> <ijball-NO_S...@mac.invalid> wrote:
> >> > "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:06:51 -0800 (PST), David <dimla...@yahoo.com>

UCLA Alumni are America's Golden Children!!!1!11!!! :D

> >know them for all of their 100+ NCAA
> >Championships. Like in baseball. Gymnastics. Volleyball. Water polo...
> >;p
>

>  :-Þ

He he he...

Zombie Elvis

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Dec 19, 2009, 8:36:03 PM12/19/09
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:49:43 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
wrote:

>In article <4jpoi5hlcjv865b53...@4ax.com>,
> Merrick Baldelli <mbal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:16:28 -0800, A Watcher
>> <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Mac Breck wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> No, but then again, my computer is not running 24/7/365. Aren't DVR
>> >> hard drives spinning whenever they're plugged in, or do they come on and
>> >> spin up right before they're to start recording?
>> >
>> >My Directv Tivo receivers shut down if I put them on Standby.
>>
>> The hard drive on Motorola units will spin down and park after
>> x number of hours; depending on the config file pushed by the Cable
>> Company. Default is 4 hours.
>
>Mine is time dependant. You can leave it running all day, but you can't
>leave it running all night without it going into standby mode.

Real TiVos (as opposed to DirecTV receivers which happen to use the
TiVo software) run 24/7. Mine are constantly recording, even in
"Standby" mode which on a real TiVo only shuts down the TiVo interface
allowing the cable signal to "pass through" to the TV as if it were
connected directly. Back in the old analog single-tuner days, TiVo's
Standby feature was a good way to watch one show while recording
another. Now in our age of modern TVs with multiple digital inputs,
Standby is mostly irrelevent.
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final confrontation with a criminal mastermind atop an unfinished
skyscraper."
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Pete B

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Dec 19, 2009, 10:34:14 PM12/19/09
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In article <cv2li5prb5g5tonor...@4ax.com>,
nanof...@gmail.com says...

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:34:21 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"David" <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> As previously announced, "Fringe" will take a seven-week break from
> >> its regular Thursday, 9:00/8:00c home in February and March to make
> >> room for the midseason drama "Past Life." The series will then resume
> >> its run on Thursday, April 1.
>
> This is the kind of move that really screws people up when the show
> changes nights especially when it's only for one night. Unless they
> plan on rebroadcasting the Monday night shown on Thursday night there
> are going to be people that miss it. That's not the best move for Fox
> to make.

They should use googles calendar to have it email them when the show
returns.

Stan Brown

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Dec 20, 2009, 9:58:28 AM12/20/09
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Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:56:57 -0500 from shawn <nanof...@gmail.com>:

> This is the kind of move that really screws people up when the show
> changes nights especially when it's only for one night. Unless they
> plan on rebroadcasting the Monday night shown on Thursday night there
> are going to be people that miss it. That's not the best move for Fox
> to make.

In other words, typical Fox.

The hiatus for the following two months is a nice touch too. :-(

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http://OakRoadSystems.com/
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hand fist of fate." -- /Wonderfalls/

Endymion9

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Dec 20, 2009, 10:01:24 AM12/20/09
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"Stan Brown" <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:MPG.2598059cd...@news.individual.net...

> Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:56:57 -0500 from shawn <nanof...@gmail.com>:
>> This is the kind of move that really screws people up when the show
>> changes nights especially when it's only for one night. Unless they
>> plan on rebroadcasting the Monday night shown on Thursday night there
>> are going to be people that miss it. That's not the best move for Fox
>> to make.
>
> In other words, typical Fox.
>
> The hiatus for the following two months is a nice touch too. :-(
>

Not unexpected. What network genre shows have they not tried to kill with
hiatuses, moving the show around, etc. For whatever reasons they love doing
that to genre shows then blaming the show for losing audience <shrug>.

Stan Brown

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Dec 20, 2009, 10:01:39 AM12/20/09
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Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:20:44 -0500 from Mac Breck
<macthe...@yahoo.com>:

> No, but then again, my computer is not running 24/7/365. Aren't DVR
> hard drives spinning whenever they're plugged in, or do they come on and
> spin up right before they're to start recording?

It depends on the design, but mine is the latter.

It is debatable whether it's better for a hard drive to spin down and
up when not used for a substantial period, or to keep spinning all
the time. There are strongly-held opinions on both sides.

Extravagan

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Dec 20, 2009, 11:22:48 AM12/20/09
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Don't they all? Fox may be bad for this (Dollhouse, TSCC, etc.) but true
infamy for this must surely lie with NBC, for the horrible act they
perpetrated in 1969...

Extravagan

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Dec 20, 2009, 11:23:36 AM12/20/09
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Stan Brown wrote:
> Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:20:44 -0500 from Mac Breck
> <macthe...@yahoo.com>:
>> No, but then again, my computer is not running 24/7/365. Aren't DVR
>> hard drives spinning whenever they're plugged in, or do they come on and
>> spin up right before they're to start recording?
>
> It depends on the design, but mine is the latter.
>
> It is debatable whether it's better for a hard drive to spin down and
> up when not used for a substantial period, or to keep spinning all
> the time. There are strongly-held opinions on both sides.

Opinions on such matters interest me less than empirical evidence. What
do the numbers and studies say?

Mac Breck

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Dec 20, 2009, 1:12:09 PM12/20/09
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It's sad. Friends shouldn't let friends take shows to FOX. I wonder
how long "Human Target" with Mark Valley (of "Keen Eddie" (2003) 13
episodes, 6 unaired by FOX.) will last before FOX Network fubars the
show. Pick your number, now, between 2 and 13 episodes. I'll take 3
episodes.

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people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."


Dimensional Traveler

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Dec 20, 2009, 6:35:03 PM12/20/09
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Mac Breck wrote:
> Endymion9 wrote:
>> "Stan Brown" <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2598059cd...@news.individual.net...
>>> Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:56:57 -0500 from shawn <nanof...@gmail.com>:
>>>> This is the kind of move that really screws people up when the show
>>>> changes nights especially when it's only for one night. Unless they
>>>> plan on rebroadcasting the Monday night shown on Thursday night
>>>> there are going to be people that miss it. That's not the best move
>>>> for Fox to make.
>>> In other words, typical Fox.
>>>
>>> The hiatus for the following two months is a nice touch too. :-(
>>>
>> Not unexpected. What network genre shows have they not tried to kill
>> with hiatuses, moving the show around, etc. For whatever reasons
>> they love doing that to genre shows then blaming the show for losing
>> audience <shrug>.
>
> It's sad. Friends shouldn't let friends take shows to FOX. I wonder
> how long "Human Target" with Mark Valley (of "Keen Eddie" (2003) 13
> episodes, 6 unaired by FOX.) will last before FOX Network fubars the
> show. Pick your number, now, between 2 and 13 episodes. I'll take 3
> episodes.
>
http://mediapredict.com/

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 20, 2009, 8:03:01 PM12/20/09
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Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:56:57 -0500 from shawn <nanof...@gmail.com>:

>>This is the kind of move that really screws people up when the show
>>changes nights especially when it's only for one night. Unless they
>>plan on rebroadcasting the Monday night shown on Thursday night there
>>are going to be people that miss it. That's not the best move for Fox
>>to make.

>In other words, typical Fox.

>The hiatus for the following two months is a nice touch too. :-(

The person who made that comment was in error. See my followup elsewhere
in the thread with expected air dates.

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 20, 2009, 8:04:07 PM12/20/09
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Extravagan <extra...@frogsoup.xelon.com> wrote:

>Don't they all? Fox may be bad for this (Dollhouse, TSCC, etc.) but true
>infamy for this must surely lie with NBC, for the horrible act they
>perpetrated in 1969...

How is NBC responsible for events leading up to your birth?

Mac Breck

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Dec 20, 2009, 9:58:25 PM12/20/09
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LOL!

Extravagan

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Dec 21, 2009, 2:37:58 PM12/21/09
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Mac Breck wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> Extravagan <extra...@frogsoup.xelon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't they all? Fox may be bad for this (Dollhouse, TSCC, etc.) but
>>> true infamy for this must surely lie with NBC, for the horrible act
>>> they perpetrated in 1969...
>> How is NBC responsible for events leading up to your birth?
>
> LOL!

I was referring, killfiled doofus and soon-to-be-killfiled doofus, to
the cancellation of Star Trek.

Obviously.

David V. Loewe, Jr

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Dec 21, 2009, 4:45:01 PM12/21/09
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You tossed up a softball and someone hit it out of the park.

Deal with it gracefully.

>Obviously.
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- Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones

Michael Bowker

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Dec 22, 2009, 12:37:17 PM12/22/09
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So I have a friend who has a single tuner tivo. How do you use stand-by
to watch something else. Cuz my friend tells me he can't do that.

Extravagan

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Dec 22, 2009, 1:54:17 PM12/22/09
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David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:37:58 -0500, Extravagan
> <extra...@frogsoup.xelon.com> wrote:
>> Mac Breck wrote:
>>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>> Extravagan <extra...@frogsoup.xelon.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't they all? Fox may be bad for this (Dollhouse, TSCC, etc.) but
>>>>> true infamy for this must surely lie with NBC, for the horrible act
>>>>> they perpetrated in 1969...
>>>> How is NBC responsible for events leading up to your birth?
>>> LOL!
>> I was referring, killfiled doofus and soon-to-be-killfiled doofus, to
>> the cancellation of Star Trek.
>
> You tossed up a softball

I did nothing of the sort.

Obviously you are incoherent.

Adam H. Kerman

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Dec 22, 2009, 6:16:17 PM12/22/09
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You use the tuner in the tv or another device, if you're not using the
tuner in the TiVo. Anyway, the pass through would require coax to be hooked
up to both input and output connectors on the TiVo for that to work.

In addition to having the correct hook ups, the feature may be controlled
by a menu option.

Some set-top boxes can be set to bypass mode, which means that the tuner
in the box isn't tuning in the signal, that the raw signal is sent to
another device.

Pete B

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Dec 22, 2009, 6:37:45 PM12/22/09
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In article <tv7li5hl2ofgi8c1s...@4ax.com>, dimlan17
@yahoo.com says...
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:47:12 -0800, "Ian J. Ball"
> <ijball-...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In article <0kvki55992oksjnvp...@4ax.com>,
> > David <diml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8429
> >>
> >> EXCLUSIVE: "FRINGE" TO GET "HOUSE" BOOST ON JANUARY 11
> >> By Brian Ford Sullivan (TFC)
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- FOX is giving a "Fringe" an extra
> >> boost before its upcoming hiatus.
> >
> >Is this the show about the avant-garde "performance artists"?
>
> It's a show about the Pac 10 conference.

Oh Pacman!

David Loewe, Jr.

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:20:17 PM12/23/09
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Weight of public opinion says otherwise.

>Obviously you are incoherent.

Obviously, you need to learn to deal with it better.
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