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Doctor Who Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS Review with Spoilers

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The Doctor

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Apr 27, 2013, 9:14:28 PM4/27/13
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8/10 .

Kind of reminded me on Lost in Space the movie from a few years ago.


Paradox cause time rift and if not fixed TARDIS and it is on board will
blow up.

First the Doctor uses greed and menaces to
get the salvage crew to help.

Guess what, the Salvage Ship's Teams did cause a breach.

IT needs to be fixed and the
Doctor needs a button on this.

Greed, what a sin. Living metal to salvage?

The TARDIS does have self defences.

The Eye of Harmony in a TARDIS? Hmm!


All right what about a family feud?

Elements of interest and what about the CLoister Bell?

REal clue. Cloister bell and defences.
So everything resets and off we go.


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T987654321

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For the most part I liked it.

Biggest takeaway was the book. Unless they are pulling another fast one, Clara read the Doctors real name. Other than other Timelords I don't think any character has ever seen it (unless Rose got it when she was linked to the TARDIS). It'd also be interesting to know who wrote the book.

Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:klht5k$1rt$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> 8/10 .
>
> Kind of reminded me on Lost in Space the movie from a few years ago.
>
>
> Paradox cause time rift and if not fixed TARDIS and it is on board will
> blow up.
>
> First the Doctor uses greed and menaces to
> get the salvage crew to help.
>
> Guess what, the Salvage Ship's Teams did cause a breach.
>
> IT needs to be fixed and the
> Doctor needs a button on this.
>
> Greed, what a sin. Living metal to salvage?
>
> The TARDIS does have self defences.
>
> The Eye of Harmony in a TARDIS? Hmm!
>
>
> All right what about a family feud?
>
> Elements of interest and what about the CLoister Bell?
>
> REal clue. Cloister bell and defences.
> So everything resets and off we go.

The title of this post suggested there would be a review and spoilers. I've
no idea what the above is. It's got some English words in it - was it
originally written in Chinese and translated by a computer?


The Doctor

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Apr 28, 2013, 8:37:54 AM4/28/13
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In article <q_6ft.92960$0W4....@fx10.fr7>,
Yawn!

The Doctor

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Apr 28, 2013, 9:04:27 AM4/28/13
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REcall Trial of a Time Lord PArt one.

The Doctor almost gave it away.

Jette Goldie

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Apr 28, 2013, 10:33:13 AM4/28/13
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nah, it was a review of the of the latest ep, and contained spoilers -
it just wasn't a very concise review (short, not concise) and the
spoilers were only spoilers if you knew what they were talking about.



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Stephen Wilson

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Apr 28, 2013, 10:59:46 AM4/28/13
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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And there's the problem. I can't tell whether it's because you really so
have the mental abilities of a 5 year old, whether you skipped school or
whether you have some form of dyslexia. But your comment of "yawn" suggests
the reality is you're just too lazy and can't be bothered to form coherent
sentences.


solar penguin

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The Doctor wrote:

>
> Guess what, the Salvage Ship's Teams did cause a breach.

Teams? I only counted one team. Where were the others?

OTOH since you seem to think there are two of me, maybe you just have
trouble counting as high as one...?

John Hall

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Apr 28, 2013, 2:11:43 PM4/28/13
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In article <klht5k$1rt$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>Paradox cause time rift

Nope. The salvage ship using a magnetic grapple to reel in the TARDIS,
when the Doctor had lowered its shields, damaged it, leading to the time
rift. Any paradoxes that ensued were an effect of the time rift rather
than its cause.

[I've removed the least relevant group, rec,arts.tv, from the
crossposting.]
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but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
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The Doctor

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Apr 28, 2013, 4:11:28 PM4/28/13
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In article <kljbp6$t68$1...@dont-email.me>,
Thank You Jette.

The Doctor

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Apr 28, 2013, 4:11:58 PM4/28/13
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In article <GPaft.46189$9j3....@fx11.fr7>,
Steven you failed pre-school so ...

The Doctor

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Apr 28, 2013, 4:12:26 PM4/28/13
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In article <df3cf0d9-614d-4504...@s4g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Well how did the Doctor get out of the TARDIS?

The Doctor

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Apr 28, 2013, 4:13:05 PM4/28/13
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In article <jnLTnwEf...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <klht5k$1rt$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>>Paradox cause time rift
>
>Nope. The salvage ship using a magnetic grapple to reel in the TARDIS,
>when the Doctor had lowered its shields, damaged it, leading to the time
>rift. Any paradoxes that ensued were an effect of the time rift rather
>than its cause.
>

Even the Salvage ship would experience paradoxes.

Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>
>>> Yawn!
>>
>>And there's the problem. I can't tell whether it's because you really so
>>have the mental abilities of a 5 year old, whether you skipped school or
>>whether you have some form of dyslexia. But your comment of "yawn"
>>suggests
>>the reality is you're just too lazy and can't be bothered to form coherent
>>sentences.
>>
>>
>
> Steven you failed pre-school so ...

That doesn't explain your inability to type anything that makes sense. That
just makes you look incredibly childish, and in itself is nonsense. I'm not
even sure what you mean by pre-school - in the UK we have nursery schools
and playgroups prior to infant schooling, and there's nothing about either
that you can fail. Which basically points to my initial suggestion being the
correct one.


anim8rFSK

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Apr 28, 2013, 7:09:31 PM4/28/13
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https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246680_583368755029365_189806
9291_n.jpg

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The Doctor

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Apr 28, 2013, 8:24:51 PM4/28/13
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In article <QXfft.79638$DQ3....@fx27.fr7>,
You cannot accept reality FWIW SW.

solar penguin

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:12:26 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Guess what, the Salvage Ship's Teams did cause a breach.
>>
>>Teams? I only counted one team. Where were the others?
>>
>>OTOH since you seem to think there are two of me, maybe you just have
>>trouble counting as high as one...?
>
> Well how did the Doctor get out of the TARDIS?

He didn't need the help of _more than one_ salvage team to get out!

The Doctor

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Apr 29, 2013, 9:32:45 AM4/29/13
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In article <kll4a4$djs$3...@dont-email.me>,
Looks as if he got spat out.

Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:klkekj$fr0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <QXfft.79638$DQ3....@fx27.fr7>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:kljvqe$srt$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn!
>>>>
>>>>And there's the problem. I can't tell whether it's because you really so
>>>>have the mental abilities of a 5 year old, whether you skipped school or
>>>>whether you have some form of dyslexia. But your comment of "yawn"
>>>>suggests
>>>>the reality is you're just too lazy and can't be bothered to form
>>>>coherent
>>>>sentences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Steven you failed pre-school so ...
>>
>>That doesn't explain your inability to type anything that makes sense.
>>That
>>just makes you look incredibly childish, and in itself is nonsense. I'm
>>not
>>even sure what you mean by pre-school - in the UK we have nursery schools
>>and playgroups prior to infant schooling, and there's nothing about either
>>that you can fail. Which basically points to my initial suggestion being
>>the
>>correct one.
>>
>>
>
> You cannot accept reality FWIW SW.

And another childish non sequitur. But in a way you're correct, because
whatever passes for reality in your strange little world bears very little
similarity to the reality that most of the rest of us live in.


Jim G.

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Apr 29, 2013, 4:29:12 PM4/29/13
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T987654321 sent the following on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:05:36 -0700 (PDT):
> For the most part I liked it.
>
> Biggest takeaway was the book. Unless they are pulling another fast one, Clara read the Doctors real name.

John Harrison? Oh, wait. Wrong franchise.

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The Doctor

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:20:18 PM4/29/13
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In article <gaxft.207857$MR6.1...@fx21.fr7>,
You doubt therefore you are SW.

Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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No Yads. I have no doubt whatsoever that whatever passes for reality in your
little world bears very little resemblance to the reality the rest of us
live in.

And yet again, your response is a complete non sequitur. You've said it many
times, almost as if you think it's a good insult when it's actually more of
a compliment, even by your own warped standards. You probably don't realise
this, but it was St Augustine who is credited with saying "I doubt,
therefore I am."


David Barnett

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:44:10 PM4/29/13
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In article <kljbp6$t68$1...@dont-email.me>, jgoldie247
@btinternet.com says...
I liked it, but IMHO it was the usual frenetic episode.
I can't recall Jon Pertwee's Doctor running about like
mad. In fact all the previous pre-Moffatt Doctors seem
quite comatose compared with Matt Smith's Doctor.

--
David Barnett

The Doctor

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Apr 29, 2013, 7:49:46 PM4/29/13
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In article <lidtn8ln60q68u8o1...@4ax.com>,
Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>T987654321 sent the following on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 23:05:36 -0700 (PDT):
>> For the most part I liked it.
>>
>> Biggest takeaway was the book. Unless they are pulling another fast one, Clara read the Doctors real name.
>
>John Harrison? Oh, wait. Wrong franchise.
>

;-)

solar penguin

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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:32:45 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article <kll4a4$djs$3...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:12:26 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Guess what, the Salvage Ship's Teams did cause a breach.
>>>>
>>>>Teams? I only counted one team. Where were the others?
>>>>
>>>>OTOH since you seem to think there are two of me, maybe you just have
>>>>trouble counting as high as one...?
>>>
>>> Well how did the Doctor get out of the TARDIS?
>>
>>He didn't need the help of _more than one_ salvage team to get out!
>
> Looks as if he got spat out.

So what does that have to do with how many salvage teams there were!?!

The Doctor

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May 1, 2013, 8:34:23 AM5/1/13
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In article <klr1rt$jsg$2...@dont-email.me>,
solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:32:45 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <kll4a4$djs$3...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
>> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:12:26 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Guess what, the Salvage Ship's Teams did cause a breach.
>>>>>
>>>>>Teams? I only counted one team. Where were the others?
>>>>>
>>>>>OTOH since you seem to think there are two of me, maybe you just have
>>>>>trouble counting as high as one...?
>>>>
>>>> Well how did the Doctor get out of the TARDIS?
>>>
>>>He didn't need the help of _more than one_ salvage team to get out!
>>
>> Looks as if he got spat out.
>
>So what does that have to do with how many salvage teams there were!?!
>

The Doctor is a team on his own.

David Barnett

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In article <anim8rfsk-CDE77E.16093128042013
@news.easynews.com>, anim...@cox.net says...
>
> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246680_583368755029365_189806
> 9291_n.jpg

I didn't realize the book was in that language.

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anim8rFSK

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The Doctor

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May 4, 2013, 9:24:44 AM5/4/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-0A443...@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>In article <MPG.2bef587a2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> In article <anim8rfsk-CDE77E.16093128042013
>> @news.easynews.com>, anim...@cox.net says...
>> >
>> > https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246680_583368755029365_189806
>> > 9291_n.jpg
>>
>> I didn't realize the book was in that language.
>
>Nor I.
>

And now that you do ...

>--
>"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."


Wouter Valentijn

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May 4, 2013, 3:06:42 PM5/4/13
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anim8rFSK wrote:
> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246680_583368755029365_1898069291_n.jpg

Cool!
Thank you.

My theory about Clara: I think she once was River and will become the TARDIS
matrix!
Or would that be too crazy?

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McCoy: "What you had to do. What you always do: turn death into a fighting
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The Doctor

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In article <51855c45$0$15974$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>anim8rFSK wrote:
>> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246680_583368755029365_1898069291_n.jpg
>
>Cool!
>Thank you.
>
>My theory about Clara: I think she once was River and will become the TARDIS
>matrix!
>Or would that be too crazy?
>

Clara is not River.

anim8rFSK

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In article <51855c45$0$15974$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
"Wouter Valentijn" <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:

> anim8rFSK wrote:
> > https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246680_583368755029365_189806929
> > 1_n.jpg
>
> Cool!
> Thank you.
>
> My theory about Clara: I think she once was River and will become the TARDIS
> matrix!
> Or would that be too crazy?

LOL, well, that's sort of a combination of mine and Peachywho's
theories. :)

Peachy also thinks it's possible she's the Doctor's granddaughter, but
not by the daughter we've met.

The Doctor

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In article <anim8rfsk-EEA23...@news.easynews.com>,
P.A.P. for you

Wouter Valentijn

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As in 'Susan'?

anim8rFSK

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In article <51860110$0$15999$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
"Wouter Valentijn" <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:

> anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article <51855c45$0$15974$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
> > "Wouter Valentijn" <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
> >
> >> anim8rFSK wrote:
> >>> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246680_583368755029365_1898069
> >>> 29
> >>> 1_n.jpg
> >>
> >> Cool!
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> My theory about Clara: I think she once was River and will become
> >> the TARDIS matrix!
> >> Or would that be too crazy?
> >
> > LOL, well, that's sort of a combination of mine and Peachywho's
> > theories. :)
> >
> > Peachy also thinks it's possible she's the Doctor's granddaughter, but
> > not by the daughter we've met.
>
> As in 'Susan'?

I think so, but I'm not sure.

Stephen Wilson

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"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
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I'll be very surprised (and disappointed) if Clara turns out to be in any
way connected with River Song or Susan.


solar penguin

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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <klr1rt$jsg$2...@dont-email.me>,
> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:32:45 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >> In article <kll4a4$djs$3...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
> >> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:12:26 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The Doctor wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Guess what, the Salvage Ship's Teams did cause a breach.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Teams? I only counted one team. Where were the others?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>OTOH since you seem to think there are two of me, maybe you just have
> >>>>>trouble counting as high as one...?
> >>>>
> >>>> Well how did the Doctor get out of the TARDIS?
> >>>
> >>>He didn't need the help of _more than one_ salvage team to get out!
> >>
> >> Looks as if he got spat out.
> >
> >So what does that have to do with how many salvage teams there were!?!
> >
>
> The Doctor is a team on his own.
> --

If that's what you meant, why didn't you say so in the first place?

solar penguin

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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <anim8rfsk-0A443...@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >In article <MPG.2bef587a2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <anim8rfsk-CDE77E.16093128042013
> >> @news.easynews.com>, anim...@cox.net says...
> >> >
> >> > https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246680_583368755029365_1898069291_n.jpg
> >>
> >> I didn't realize the book was in that language.
> >
> >Nor I.
> >
>
> And now that you do ...
>

If the book really was written in Gallifreyan, it throws up even more
continuity problems. Who wrote the book?

The Time Lords themselves have written a history of the Time War,
since Gallifrey was time-looped and destroyed during the War. But why
would anyone else write it in Gallifreyan?

Did the Doctor write it? But if so, which Gallifreyan readers did he
write it for? And why did he use his real name?

OTOH the title was definitely in English and we didn't see the pages,
so maybe it wasn't in Gallifreyan after all...

(And I wonder if Clara's comment "So that's who..." on seeing his
name, was actually "So that's Who," and WOTAN was right all along!)

anim8rFSK

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May 5, 2013, 11:10:53 AM5/5/13
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In article <Eatht.245767$Pj4....@fx14.fr7>,
Well, I'm from the "will turn out to be the T.A.R.D.I.S." camp myself.

solar penguin

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I'm from the "will turn out to be an ordinary human who later gets
cloned or duplicated somehow, possibly involving the TARDIS" camp.

After all, we've _seen_ Clara's origin complete with parents and
childhood, but we haven't seen the parents or childhoods of her
doubles.

The Doctor

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May 5, 2013, 4:37:33 PM5/5/13
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In article <Eatht.245767$Pj4....@fx14.fr7>,
Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
Neither , but might have a Gallifreyn Connection.

The Doctor

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May 5, 2013, 4:37:55 PM5/5/13
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In article <ba9d88a7-1ee5-442e...@m7g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <klr1rt$jsg$2...@dont-email.me>,
>> solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:32:45 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <kll4a4$djs$3...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
>> >> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:12:26 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>The Doctor wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Guess what, the Salvage Ship's Teams did cause a breach.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Teams? I only counted one team. Where were the others?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>OTOH since you seem to think there are two of me, maybe you just have
>> >>>>>trouble counting as high as one...?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Well how did the Doctor get out of the TARDIS?
>> >>>
>> >>>He didn't need the help of _more than one_ salvage team to get out!
>> >>
>> >> Looks as if he got spat out.
>> >
>> >So what does that have to do with how many salvage teams there were!?!
>> >
>>
>> The Doctor is a team on his own.
>> --
>
>If that's what you meant, why didn't you say so in the first place?

Tell me when he is not.

The Doctor

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May 5, 2013, 4:38:28 PM5/5/13
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In article <69ff7d62-8a04-43e6...@a6g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
Or does the TARDIS translate for the reader?

Jim G.

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anim8rFSK sent the following on Sun, 05 May 2013 08:10:53 -0700:
So you're telling me that I have an inappropriate infatuation with a
phone booth? (There's a "reach out and touch someone" joke in there
somewhere, but I'm not quite seeing it.)

solar penguin

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But (and this is what started this whole subthread in the first place,
remember) the TARDIS doesn't usually translate Gallifreyan text. e.g.
It didn't translate the Doctor's name on his cot in "A Good Man..."

The Doctor

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In article <391de4df-fd86-495d...@gb2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Was it inside or outside the TARDIS?

Also Journey was rated 7.9/10 by 482 users on imdb.com

Wouter Valentijn

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I'm thinking of the Neil Gaiman episode of last season.
One could take the title 'The Doctor's Wife' as the traditional metaphor 'a
captain is married to his ship', but what if it turns out to be literal?
River Song actually married The Doctor...

The Doctor

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In article <518e96df$0$15998$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
Good episode though.
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Wouter Valentijn

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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <518e96df$0$15998$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
> Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:

<snip>

>>
>> I'm thinking of the Neil Gaiman episode of last season.
>> One could take the title 'The Doctor's Wife' as the traditional
>> metaphor 'a captain is married to his ship', but what if it turns
>> out to be literal? River Song actually married The Doctor...
>>
>
> Good episode though.

Yes, very much so.
One of the best of the modern era.

The Doctor

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"Wouter Valentijn" <li...@valentijn.nu> writes:

>The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <518e96df$0$15998$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
>> Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:

><snip>

>>>
>>> I'm thinking of the Neil Gaiman episode of last season.
>>> One could take the title 'The Doctor's Wife' as the traditional
>>> metaphor 'a captain is married to his ship', but what if it turns
>>> out to be literal? River Song actually married The Doctor...
>>>
>>
>> Good episode though.

>Yes, very much so.
>One of the best of the modern era.

I will be watching.

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Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:kmmf2v$ni1$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> "Wouter Valentijn" <li...@valentijn.nu> writes:
>
>>The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <518e96df$0$15998$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
>>> Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>
>><snip>
>
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking of the Neil Gaiman episode of last season.
>>>> One could take the title 'The Doctor's Wife' as the traditional
>>>> metaphor 'a captain is married to his ship', but what if it turns
>>>> out to be literal? River Song actually married The Doctor...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good episode though.
>
>>Yes, very much so.
>>One of the best of the modern era.
>
> I will be watching.

Canada must be some time behind. We saw this episode in the UK almost
exactly 2 years ago.


The Doctor

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In article <Ghzjt.45958$PV5....@fx22.fr7>,
The Cyberman one!!

Wouter Valentijn

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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <Ghzjt.45958$PV5....@fx22.fr7>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>

<snip>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking of the Neil Gaiman episode of last season.
>>>>>> One could take the title 'The Doctor's Wife' as the traditional
>>>>>> metaphor 'a captain is married to his ship', but what if it turns
>>>>>> out to be literal? River Song actually married The Doctor...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good episode though.
>>>
>>>> Yes, very much so.
>>>> One of the best of the modern era.
>>>
>>> I will be watching.
>>
>> Canada must be some time behind. We saw this episode in the UK almost
>> exactly 2 years ago.
>>
>>
>
> The Cyberman one!!

???

Uh...
We were talking about the ep from May 14, 2011:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1721226/

The Doctor's Wife

But I think you meant 'Nightmare in Silver' now.

The Doctor

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In article <518f35c2$0$15907$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <Ghzjt.45958$PV5....@fx22.fr7>,
>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>
><snip>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking of the Neil Gaiman episode of last season.
>>>>>>> One could take the title 'The Doctor's Wife' as the traditional
>>>>>>> metaphor 'a captain is married to his ship', but what if it turns
>>>>>>> out to be literal? River Song actually married The Doctor...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good episode though.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, very much so.
>>>>> One of the best of the modern era.
>>>>
>>>> I will be watching.
>>>
>>> Canada must be some time behind. We saw this episode in the UK almost
>>> exactly 2 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The Cyberman one!!
>
>???
>
>Uh...
>We were talking about the ep from May 14, 2011:
>
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1721226/
>
>The Doctor's Wife
>
>But I think you meant 'Nightmare in Silver' now.
>
>

Still prove Gaiman rocks!

solar penguin

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Yes, it was.

>
> Also Journey was rated 7.9/10 by 482 users on imdb.com
> --

Also how many users didn't rate it 7.9/10?

The Doctor

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In article <1f8eb4df-81ed-435e...@bz1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Exclusive or mate.

>>
>> Also Journey was rated 7.9/10 by 482 users on imdb.com
>> --
>
>Also how many users didn't rate it 7.9/10?

Well it is an average.
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solar penguin

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In this case, does it make any difference? We've never seen any
indication that the translation works differently depending on whether
or not you just happen to be inside the TARDIS at the time.

> >>
> >> Also Journey was rated 7.9/10 by 482 users on imdb.com
> >> --
> >
> >Also how many users didn't rate it 7.9/10?
>
> Well it is an average.
> --

So one person could've created 482 different accounts to rate it 7.9
over and over again.

The Doctor

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solar penguin

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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <8ef50c02-c639-4c3e...@k4g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >> In article <1f8eb4df-81ed-435e...@bz1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <391de4df-fd86-495d...@gb2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> In article <69ff7d62-8a04-43e6...@a6g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >OTOH the title was definitely in English and we didn't see the pages,
> >> >> >> >so maybe it wasn't in Gallifreyan after all...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Or does the TARDIS translate for the reader?
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >
> >> >> >But (and this is what started this whole subthread in the first place,
> >> >> >remember) the TARDIS doesn't usually translate Gallifreyan text. e.g.
> >> >> >It didn't translate the Doctor's name on his cot in "A Good Man..."
> >> >>
> >> >> Was it inside or outside the TARDIS?
> >> >
> >> >Yes, it was.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Exclusive or mate.
> >>
> >
> >In this case, does it make any difference? We've never seen any
> >indication that the translation works differently depending on whether
> >or not you just happen to be inside the TARDIS at the time.
> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Also Journey was rated 7.9/10 by 482 users on imdb.com
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >Also how many users didn't rate it 7.9/10?
> >>
> >> Well it is an average.
> >> --
> >
> >So one person could've created 482 different accounts to rate it 7.9
> >over and over again.
>
>
> Nope.
> --

"Nope," what? Nope, it doesn't make any difference? Or: Nope, one
person couldn't create multiple imdb accounts?

Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:kmmh7m$pkj$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <Ghzjt.45958$PV5....@fx22.fr7>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:kmmf2v$ni1$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> "Wouter Valentijn" <li...@valentijn.nu> writes:
>>>
>>>>The Doctor wrote:
>>>>> In article <518e96df$0$15998$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>>> Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm thinking of the Neil Gaiman episode of last season.
>>>>>> One could take the title 'The Doctor's Wife' as the traditional
>>>>>> metaphor 'a captain is married to his ship', but what if it turns
>>>>>> out to be literal? River Song actually married The Doctor...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good episode though.
>>>
>>>>Yes, very much so.
>>>>One of the best of the modern era.
>>>
>>> I will be watching.
>>
>>Canada must be some time behind. We saw this episode in the UK almost
>>exactly 2 years ago.
>>
>>
>
> The Cyberman one!!

No, it wasn't the Cyberman one.


Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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>>
>>Uh...
>>We were talking about the ep from May 14, 2011:
>>
>>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1721226/
>>
>>The Doctor's Wife
>>
>>But I think you meant 'Nightmare in Silver' now.
>>
>>
>
> Still prove Gaiman rocks!

If you think it, then why don't you prove it?


Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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Median, mean or mode?


Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:kmo1om$20h$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> >>
>>> >> Also Journey was rated 7.9/10 by 482 users on imdb.com
>>> >> --
>>> >
>>> >Also how many users didn't rate it 7.9/10?
>>>
>>> Well it is an average.
>>> --
>>
>>So one person could've created 482 different accounts to rate it 7.9
>>over and over again.
>
>
> Nope.

OK then, let's see what people at imdb.com really thought about the episode.

From imdb.com, talking about Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS:
"The episode is ruined by the last ten minutes that are simply dreadful . In
Curse Of The Black Spot the audience effectively got a remake of The Empty
Child/The Doctor Dances and here we get a medley mega-mix of Russell T
Davies . We get angst ridden family nonsense with the salvager's who reveal
they're not androids at all and we get a dues ex machina ending involving a
reset button just like in Last Of The Timelords a story that is known in
some fan circles as the biggest cheat the show has come up with . The only
segment of the last ten minutes that didn't rip off RTD was more timey-wimey
paradox nonsense and yet another character piece involving the enigma of
Clara that seems shoehorned in by Moffat and has quickly outlived its
welcome

In summary this is a relatively enjoyable episode let down by ill thought
out writing and producing . The ending is a massive cheat and not for one
second does one believe writer Steve Thompson is giving a massive post
modernist nod to RTD . Moffat should have insisted on a much better ending
with a rewrite that does away with time paradox and as it stands this
episode doesn't merit a rewatch and why should it since in reality it didn't
happen "

From imdb.com, talking about Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS:
"Dr Who has got a lot to offer but not as a fast food meal with no substance
and not as a science fiction show without the basic science included. If
these flaws were a one offs in a good season I'd forgive and forget but as
the whole season has been flawed I think the buck stops with Stephen Moffat.
Come back Russell T. we never had to forgive you anything."

From imdb.com (via flick filosopher), talking about Journey to the Centre of
the TARDIS:
"I'm not sure this episode works on any scale imaginable. There's tons of
little fiddly plot stuff that simply makes no sense. How did the Doctor end
up outside the TARDIS when it got pulled aboard the salvagers' ship? Why the
hell would the head salvage guy tell his dumb brother to "get back to the
console, strip it apart" when as far as he knows, that console is the only
way for the Doctor to stop the self-destruct countdown he's convinced the
brothers he's started? Why are the burnt zombies menacing everybody, even
killing that one Van Baalen brother? Instead of being, like, dead?"

From imdb.com (via a mighty fine blog), talking about Journey to the Centre
of the TARDIS:
"The dark side of time travel lies in the temptation it presents to writers
who might be looking for an easy way to resolve a plot by basically wiping
the slate clean. Killed off a character you liked? Just travel back in time
and save them. Revealed some potentially story-altering secrets? Just change
the past so no one remembers them. Trapped the cast in a deadly situation
that they can't get out of? Just hit the reset button."

From imdb.com (via the unaffiliated critic), talking about Journey to the
Centre of the TARDIS:
"Somewhere within the wreckage of "Journey to the Center of the TARDIS"
there was a great episode of Doctor Who to be found, but writer Steve
Thompson didn't quite find it. Like the Doctor (Matt Smith) himself,
Thompson kept journeying further and further into the legendary, infinite
recesses of the famous craft, searching for the salvage of a lifetime: there
were many pleasures and wonders to be discovered along the way, but,
ultimately, what they both found was just a big old mess in desperate need
of a do-over."



Your Name

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In article
<1f8eb4df-81ed-435e...@bz1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, solar
penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Doctor wrote:
> >
> > Also Journey was rated 7.9/10 by 482 users on imdb.com
>
> Also how many users didn't rate it 7.9/10?

It's equally as useless as Nielsen's rating system. :-)

The Doctor

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In article <8c3ac653-52dd-48ee...@m2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Nope, 482 distinct users.

The Doctor

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In article <ErNjt.18351$ne1....@fx07.fr7>,
That Gaiman rocks, With Davies as the Emperor?

The Doctor

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In article <cANjt.281763$T71....@fx01.fr7>,
Mean you meannie.

The Doctor

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In article <qONjt.29306$pv1....@fx04.fr7>,
Now to get these people to post here on USEnet.

The Doctor

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In article <YourName-130...@203-118-187-252.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Describe your most objective method of rating a show.
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:kmp1e2$2c0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <ErNjt.18351$ne1....@fx07.fr7>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:kmnujh$fh6$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>
>>>>Uh...
>>>>We were talking about the ep from May 14, 2011:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1721226/
>>>>
>>>>The Doctor's Wife
>>>>
>>>>But I think you meant 'Nightmare in Silver' now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Still prove Gaiman rocks!
>>
>>If you think it, then why don't you prove it?
>>
>>
>
> That Gaiman rocks, With Davies as the Emperor?

Is that a question or your proof?


The Doctor

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In article <wWTjt.97671$ew7....@fx16.fr7>,
Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:kmp1e2$2c0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <ErNjt.18351$ne1....@fx07.fr7>,
>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:kmnujh$fh6$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>Uh...
>>>>>We were talking about the ep from May 14, 2011:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1721226/
>>>>>
>>>>>The Doctor's Wife
>>>>>
>>>>>But I think you meant 'Nightmare in Silver' now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still prove Gaiman rocks!
>>>
>>>If you think it, then why don't you prove it?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That Gaiman rocks, With Davies as the Emperor?
>
>Is that a question or your proof?
>
>

Question about your question.

Stephen Wilson

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:kmp2q5$3l1$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <wWTjt.97671$ew7....@fx16.fr7>,
> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:kmp1e2$2c0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> In article <ErNjt.18351$ne1....@fx07.fr7>,
>>> Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:kmnujh$fh6$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uh...
>>>>>>We were talking about the ep from May 14, 2011:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1721226/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Doctor's Wife
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But I think you meant 'Nightmare in Silver' now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Still prove Gaiman rocks!
>>>>
>>>>If you think it, then why don't you prove it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That Gaiman rocks, With Davies as the Emperor?
>>
>>Is that a question or your proof?
>>
>>
>
> Question about your question.

About 5 o'clock


solar penguin

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On Sun, 12 May 2013 21:26:26 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article <ErNjt.18351$ne1....@fx07.fr7>, Stephen Wilson
> <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:kmnujh$fh6$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>>> Still prove Gaiman rocks!
>>
>>If you think it, then why don't you prove it?
>>
>>
>>
> That Gaiman rocks, With Davies as the Emperor?

No, Yads. Russell T Davies isn't the Emperor.

Jim G.

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Wouter Valentijn sent the following on 5/11/2013 1:24 PM:
> Jim G. wrote:
>> anim8rFSK sent the following on Sun, 05 May 2013 08:10:53 -0700:
>>> In article <Eatht.245767$Pj4....@fx14.fr7>,
>>> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:anim8rfsk-AE520...@news.easynews.com...
>>>>> In article <51860110$0$15999$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>>> "Wouter Valentijn" <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> anim8rFSK wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <51855c45$0$15974$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
>>>>>>> "Wouter Valentijn" <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anim8rFSK wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/246680_583368755029365_1898
>>>>>>>>> 069
>>>>>>>>> 29
>>>>>>>>> 1_n.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cool!
>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My theory about Clara: I think she once was River and will
>>>>>>>> become the TARDIS matrix!
>>>>>>>> Or would that be too crazy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL, well, that's sort of a combination of mine and Peachywho's
>>>>>>> theories. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peachy also thinks it's possible she's the Doctor's
>>>>>>> granddaughter, but not by the daughter we've met.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As in 'Susan'?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think so, but I'm not sure.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be very surprised (and disappointed) if Clara turns out to be
>>>> in any way connected with River Song or Susan.
>>>
>>> Well, I'm from the "will turn out to be the T.A.R.D.I.S." camp
>>> myself.
>>
>> So you're telling me that I have an inappropriate infatuation with a
>> phone booth? (There's a "reach out and touch someone" joke in there
>> somewhere, but I'm not quite seeing it.)
>
> I'm thinking of the Neil Gaiman episode of last season.
> One could take the title 'The Doctor's Wife' as the traditional metaphor 'a
> captain is married to his ship', but what if it turns out to be literal?
> River Song actually married The Doctor...

That would get interesting in a hurry. Whatever the case, I hope that
the writers keep in mind that the longer they tease something, the
bigger the reveal had better be in terms of payoff for the audience's
patience, and all that.

--
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"Can you and your stupid hair let us in?" -- Carlton Lassiter, PSYCH

The Doctor

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In article <kmqtri$n8u$2...@dont-email.me>,
WARWICK Davies!!

The Doctor

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In article <kmrg1o$dbl$1...@dont-email.me>,
REcall River Song is in the Library.

Bill Steele

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May 14, 2013, 3:16:48 PM5/14/13
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In article <kmrg1o$dbl$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

I think the first answer is that they cast the actress in a previous
episode, and when she became the Companion they had to figure out an
explanation.

If she's jumping around in time she apparently hasn't done it yet. But
then we'll have to choose between convenient memory loss and deliberate
deception. How did River Song move around in time? We never saw her with
a TARDIS.

Or, since Doctor Who comes on just an hour before Orphan Black...

The Doctor

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May 14, 2013, 3:53:04 PM5/14/13
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In article <ws21-A5DB57.1...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Thankfully North American scheduling is not the same as European
Scheduling.

Jette Goldie

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May 14, 2013, 4:02:35 PM5/14/13
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no, this storyline was planned from the start - she was announced as
Companion before they shot Asylum of the Daleks.

>
> If she's jumping around in time she apparently hasn't done it yet. But
> then we'll have to choose between convenient memory loss and deliberate
> deception. How did River Song move around in time? We never saw her with
> a TARDIS.
>
> Or, since Doctor Who comes on just an hour before Orphan Black...
>


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Living in the Future!

solar penguin

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May 15, 2013, 10:54:58 AM5/15/13
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On Mon, 13 May 2013 21:18:15 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article <kmqtri$n8u$2...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 12 May 2013 21:26:26 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article <ErNjt.18351$ne1....@fx07.fr7>, Stephen Wilson
>>> <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:kmnujh$fh6$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>
>>>>> Still prove Gaiman rocks!
>>>>
>>>>If you think it, then why don't you prove it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That Gaiman rocks, With Davies as the Emperor?
>>
>>No, Yads. Russell T Davies isn't the Emperor.
>>
>>
> WARWICK Davies!!

If that's what you meant, why didn't you say so in the first place?
Remember, always say what you mean.

Jim G.

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May 15, 2013, 3:01:59 PM5/15/13
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Bill Steele sent the following on 5/14/2013 2:16 PM:
Yep.

> If she's jumping around in time she apparently hasn't done it yet. But
> then we'll have to choose between convenient memory loss and deliberate
> deception. How did River Song move around in time? We never saw her with
> a TARDIS.
>
> Or, since Doctor Who comes on just an hour before Orphan Black...

Lots of Claras. Lots and lots of Claras. I like it. :)

The Doctor

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May 15, 2013, 4:00:43 PM5/15/13
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In article <kn07k1$mu4$1...@dont-email.me>,
solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 13 May 2013 21:18:15 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <kmqtri$n8u$2...@dont-email.me>, solar penguin
>> <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 12 May 2013 21:26:26 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <ErNjt.18351$ne1....@fx07.fr7>, Stephen Wilson
>>>> <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:kmnujh$fh6$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Still prove Gaiman rocks!
>>>>>
>>>>>If you think it, then why don't you prove it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That Gaiman rocks, With Davies as the Emperor?
>>>
>>>No, Yads. Russell T Davies isn't the Emperor.
>>>
>>>
>> WARWICK Davies!!
>
>If that's what you meant, why didn't you say so in the first place?
>Remember, always say what you mean.

I doubt Russell can act.
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Wouter Valentijn

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May 18, 2013, 2:13:00 AM5/18/13
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Bill Steele wrote:
> In article <kmrg1o$dbl$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
<snip>

> If she's jumping around in time she apparently hasn't done it yet. But
> then we'll have to choose between convenient memory loss and
> deliberate deception. How did River Song move around in time? We
> never saw her with a TARDIS.

A Time Vortex Manipulator.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Vortex_manipulator

But if my theory about River/Clara is correct, that is not the device in
play I think.

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Kirk: "My God, Bones... what have I done?"
McCoy: "What you had to do. What you always do: turn death into a fighting
chance to live."

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.

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Wouter Valentijn

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May 18, 2013, 2:29:54 AM5/18/13
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Jim G. wrote:
> Wouter Valentijn sent the following on 5/11/2013 1:24 PM:
>> Jim G. wrote:
>>> anim8rFSK sent the following on Sun, 05 May 2013 08:10:53 -0700:
>>>> In article <Eatht.245767$Pj4....@fx14.fr7>,
>>>> "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:

<snip>

>>
>> I'm thinking of the Neil Gaiman episode of last season.
>> One could take the title 'The Doctor's Wife' as the traditional
>> metaphor 'a captain is married to his ship', but what if it turns
>> out to be literal? River Song actually married The Doctor...
>
> That would get interesting in a hurry. Whatever the case, I hope that
> the writers keep in mind that the longer they tease something, the
> bigger the reveal had better be in terms of payoff for the audience's
> patience, and all that.

I saw that prequel yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtaIpkjF6Ss

I think they WILL deliver today. At least some answers.

One other thing I thought about:

Oswald means: Gods Power

But it can also read as:

Wald: meaning: power, influence, violence, and also as 'walt', 'forest' in
German. And what was the only water in the forest? :-). Its 'Woud' in Dutch
BTW, which also connects to my own name, a Dutch variant of 'Walter'. :-D

Os(s), in Norse, means 'rivermouth'.
Just thinking out loud.

The Doctor

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May 18, 2013, 9:23:22 AM5/18/13
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In article <51971bef$0$15930$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>Bill Steele wrote:
>> In article <kmrg1o$dbl$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> "Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
><snip>
>
>> If she's jumping around in time she apparently hasn't done it yet. But
>> then we'll have to choose between convenient memory loss and
>> deliberate deception. How did River Song move around in time? We
>> never saw her with a TARDIS.
>
>A Time Vortex Manipulator.
>
>http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Vortex_manipulator
>
>But if my theory about River/Clara is correct, that is not the device in
>play I think.
>

Let's watch.

>--
>Wouter Valentijn http://www.j3v.net
>
>Kirk: "My God, Bones... what have I done?"
>McCoy: "What you had to do. What you always do: turn death into a fighting
>chance to live."
>
>Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.
>
>liam=mail
>
>
>


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The Doctor

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May 18, 2013, 9:23:59 AM5/18/13
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In article <51971fea$0$15949$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
Hence maybe River Song.

Wouter Valentijn

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May 18, 2013, 9:59:45 AM5/18/13
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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <51971bef$0$15930$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
> Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>> Bill Steele wrote:
>>> In article <kmrg1o$dbl$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> If she's jumping around in time she apparently hasn't done it yet.
>>> But then we'll have to choose between convenient memory loss and
>>> deliberate deception. How did River Song move around in time? We
>>> never saw her with a TARDIS.
>>
>> A Time Vortex Manipulator.
>>
>> http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Vortex_manipulator
>>
>> But if my theory about River/Clara is correct, that is not the
>> device in play I think.
>>
>
> Let's watch.

Indeed! :-)

The Doctor

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May 18, 2013, 10:05:19 AM5/18/13
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In article <51978963$0$15884$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <51971bef$0$15930$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
>> Wouter Valentijn <li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>>> Bill Steele wrote:
>>>> In article <kmrg1o$dbl$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> "Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> If she's jumping around in time she apparently hasn't done it yet.
>>>> But then we'll have to choose between convenient memory loss and
>>>> deliberate deception. How did River Song move around in time? We
>>>> never saw her with a TARDIS.
>>>
>>> A Time Vortex Manipulator.
>>>
>>> http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Vortex_manipulator
>>>
>>> But if my theory about River/Clara is correct, that is not the
>>> device in play I think.
>>>
>>
>> Let's watch.
>
>Indeed! :-)
>
>


I await!

Jim G.

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May 18, 2013, 2:41:11 PM5/18/13
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Wouter Valentijn sent the following on 5/18/2013 1:29 AM:
Interesting, and you're reminding me of how people would dissect and
analyze character names on LOST back in the day. In any case, we'll know
soon ... maybe ...

The Doctor

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May 18, 2013, 4:36:09 PM5/18/13
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In article <kn8hp2$lcm$1...@dont-email.me>,
As of now, the UK should have seen the Name of the Doctor.

>
>--
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John Hall

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May 18, 2013, 5:13:17 PM5/18/13
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In article <kn8onp$mai$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>As of now, the UK should have seen the Name of the Doctor.

Indeed it has. I thought it was excellent. :)

[I've removed the least relevant group from the crossposting. My
newsreader objects - quite rightly IMO - if one tries to crosspost to
five or more groups.]
--
John Hall
"Sir, I have found you an argument;
but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

Your Name

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May 18, 2013, 6:17:58 PM5/18/13
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In article <kn8hp2$lcm$1...@dont-email.me>, "Jim G."
<snip>

Only to get it completely wrong because JJ Abrams and his cronies didn't
even have any idea what they were doing from day to day, let alone for an
entire series. :-(

The Doctor

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May 18, 2013, 7:12:28 PM5/18/13
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In article <z9HVF1Jt...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <kn8onp$mai$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> writes:
>>As of now, the UK should have seen the Name of the Doctor.
>
>Indeed it has. I thought it was excellent. :)
>
>[I've removed the least relevant group from the crossposting. My
>newsreader objects - quite rightly IMO - if one tries to crosspost to
>five or more groups.]

Will be watching.

>--
>John Hall
> "Sir, I have found you an argument;
> but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
> Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)


Wouter Valentijn

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May 19, 2013, 1:41:13 AM5/19/13
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Soon has gone now. :-)
I think I have to go back to my drawingboard. :-D

Jim G.

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May 20, 2013, 1:09:02 PM5/20/13
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Wouter Valentijn sent the following on 5/19/2013 12:41 AM:
That's okay. A good theory and its discussion can be perfectly
entertaining on their own.

Bill Steele

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May 20, 2013, 1:53:45 PM5/20/13
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In article
<YourName-190...@203-118-187-243.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

> > Interesting, and you're reminding me of how people would dissect and
> > analyze character names on LOST back in the day.
> <snip>
>
> Only to get it completely wrong because JJ Abrams and his cronies didn't
> even have any idea what they were doing from day to day, let alone for an
> entire series. :-(

Writers do love to play around with names. Think of George and Martha in
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, or Emma Peel in the Avengers. And
they're even more likely to do it if they know the audience is looking
for it.

inf...@mindspring.com

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May 20, 2013, 2:12:28 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:53:45 -0400, Bill Steele <ws...@cornel.edu>
wrote:

>In article
><YourName-190...@203-118-187-243.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
> Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
>
>> > Interesting, and you're reminding me of how people would dissect and
>> > analyze character names on LOST back in the day.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Only to get it completely wrong because JJ Abrams and his cronies didn't
>> even have any idea what they were doing from day to day, let alone for an
>> entire series. :-(
>
>Writers do love to play around with names. Think of George and Martha in
>Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, or Emma Peel in the Avengers.

Where's the play in Emma Peel?

Adam H. Kerman

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May 20, 2013, 2:25:13 PM5/20/13
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You never heard this?
"Man appeal"

Producers hired a gorgeous young woman with beautiful long legs, a dancer.
Turned out she was a damn fine actress, but that's not what they were
looking for.

inf...@mindspring.com

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May 20, 2013, 2:55:52 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:25:13 +0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<a...@chinet.com> wrote:

>inf...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:53:45 -0400, Bill Steele <ws...@cornel.edu> wrote:
>>>Your...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
>
>>>>>Interesting, and you're reminding me of how people would dissect and
>>>>>analyze character names on LOST back in the day.
>
>>>><snip>
>
>>>>Only to get it completely wrong because JJ Abrams and his cronies didn't
>>>>even have any idea what they were doing from day to day, let alone for an
>>>>entire series. :-(
>
>>>Writers do love to play around with names. Think of George and Martha in
>>>Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, or Emma Peel in the Avengers.
>
>>Where's the play in Emma Peel?
>
>You never heard this?
>"Man appeal"

Nope.

solar penguin

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May 20, 2013, 3:25:50 PM5/20/13
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solar penguin wrote:

> anim8rFSK wrote:
>
> > In article <Eatht.245767$Pj4....@fx14.fr7>,
> > "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I'll be very surprised (and disappointed) if Clara turns out to be in any
> > > way connected with River Song or Susan.
> >
> > Well, I'm from the "will turn out to be the T.A.R.D.I.S." camp myself.
> >
> > --
>
> I'm from the "will turn out to be an ordinary human who later gets
> cloned or duplicated somehow, possibly involving the TARDIS" camp.
>
> After all, we've _seen_ Clara's origin complete with parents and
> childhood, but we haven't seen the parents or childhoods of her
> doubles.

Yaayy!!! I was right! Well, sort of. Close enough.

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