Remember the first few eps with Gerogia looking in the mirror at the plain, drab version of herself that everyone else saw? The actress was even credited as "un-George". Now, even though they still sort of keep up the "Millie" pretense at Happy Time (though I still have a vague recollection that Daisy came by looking for "George" in an episode near the end of last season), it seems to have been lost everywhere else. Everyone seems to know Mason, and Daisy apparently kept her name as well. And it seems that people really are seeing "George" instead of "un-George" (or at least from the interactions, they are not seeing "un-George" as I remember her from those first few eps.)
I know that Bryan Fuller left to do Wonderfalls, but it seemd to me that the continuity people have fallen asleep big time.
muttst...@aol.com (Muttstain) wrote: >Remember the first few eps with Gerogia looking in the mirror at the plain, >drab version of herself that everyone else saw? The actress was even credited >as "un-George". Now, even though they still sort of keep up the "Millie" >pretense at Happy Time (though I still have a vague recollection that Daisy >came by looking for "George" in an episode near the end of last season), it >seems to have been lost everywhere else. Everyone seems to know Mason, and >Daisy apparently kept her name as well. And it seems that people really are >seeing "George" instead of "un-George" (or at least from the interactions, they >are not seeing "un-George" as I remember her from those first few eps.)
>I know that Bryan Fuller left to do Wonderfalls, but it seemd to me that the >continuity people have fallen asleep big time.
It's unnecessary. It was obviously a conceit created so that George could try (and fail) to interact with her family without them knowing it was her. Now that she's given up trying to interact with them, there's no need to complicate everything by maintaining the "un-George" illusion.
> >Remember the first few eps with Gerogia looking in the mirror at the plain, > >drab version of herself that everyone else saw? The actress was even credited > >as "un-George". Now, even though they still sort of keep up the "Millie" > >pretense at Happy Time (though I still have a vague recollection that Daisy > >came by looking for "George" in an episode near the end of last season), it > >seems to have been lost everywhere else. Everyone seems to know Mason, and > >Daisy apparently kept her name as well. And it seems that people really are > >seeing "George" instead of "un-George" (or at least from the interactions, they > >are not seeing "un-George" as I remember her from those first few eps.)
> >I know that Bryan Fuller left to do Wonderfalls, but it seemd to me that the > >continuity people have fallen asleep big time.
> It's unnecessary. It was obviously a conceit created so that George > could try (and fail) to interact with her family without them knowing > it was her. Now that she's given up trying to interact with them, > there's no need to complicate everything by maintaining the > "un-George" illusion.
> -- jayembee
You could maybe argue that it only applied to people who new the original George?
And then there's the obvious answer: these are all people Mason has met SINCE he became a reaper. He's been dead since the 1960's, right? Seems to be, like, drug contacts and bar buddies.
As for questioning whether people would be attracted to "Millie", well, so far it's been the IT geek, the schizophrenic and the slacker. ;-) And on the DLM message boards, some people think Laura Boddington is very pretty. So... there you go, or something.
Also, it's hardly uncommon for a premise to get slightly modified from a pilot.
muttst...@aol.com (Muttstain) writes: >seems to have been lost everywhere else. Everyone seems to know Mason, and >Daisy apparently kept her name as well. And it seems that people really are
I think "Millie" exists because we're still in George's era. Daisy died 60 years ago, and Mason around 30. There's no reason for them to adopt an alias.
>seeing "George" instead of "un-George" (or at least from the interactions, they >are not seeing "un-George" as I remember her from those first few eps.)
How could you tell that? I think it's just an unnecessary gimmick that dropped. Should it ever become important (such as George being near Joy or Reggie), I'm sure it will be established again.
>I know that Bryan Fuller left to do Wonderfalls, but it seemd to me that the >continuity people have fallen asleep big time.
It's not the same show he created, but it's still a pretty good one. * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews.
Paul Vader <pv+use...@pobox.com> wrote: >It's not the same show he created, but it's still a pretty good one. *
And yet, I'm about to give up on it, because Showtime thinks it's pretty frickin' keen to annoy their customers by flashing a damned annoying logo on during programming.
I tolerate this -- barely -- on stations I don't explicitly pay for. But I pay quite a bit of money for Showtime, and that's about to stop.
(I have called Showtime several times to complain. They quite literrally don't care, and admitted this to me.)
>And yet, I'm about to give up on it, because Showtime thinks it's pretty >frickin' keen to annoy their customers by flashing a damned annoying logo on >during programming.
Is it in the letterboxed area? Because I don't remember seeing it.
>I tolerate this -- barely -- on stations I don't explicitly pay for. But I >pay quite a bit of money for Showtime, and that's about to stop.
I see your point, but if you're trying to ignore "the stain" as on friend calls station bugs, you're going to end up with nothing to watch. * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews.
Paul Vader <pv+use...@pobox.com> wrote: >Is it in the letterboxed area? Because I don't remember seeing it.
Halfway. My new tv is widescreen, and lets me zoom in (it over-zooms, actually, so when I watch that way, I lose the top and bottom a bit -- so far, it's been worth it), and it's still there. For about three minutes starting at 30 minutes, and about the same at the beginning I assume. (Most of that was credits, so I fast fowarded through it.)
>I see your point, but if you're trying to ignore "the stain" as on friend >calls station bugs, you're going to end up with nothing to watch. *
As I said: I tolerate it (barel) for stations I don't pay for. But Showtime costs a chunk of change each month, and bills itself as a premium, commercial-free, unedited channel.
And at some point, they suddenly decided this was okay.
It's not, not in my book.
The phone number, btw, is (212) 708-1600. If anyone else wants to call and find out how little they care what their paying customers think.
> In article <10j6nldpjq3v...@news.supernews.com>, > Paul Vader <pv+use...@pobox.com> wrote: > >Is it in the letterboxed area? Because I don't remember seeing it.
> Halfway. My new tv is widescreen, and lets me zoom in (it over-zooms, > actually, so when I watch that way, I lose the top and bottom a bit -- so far, > it's been worth it), and it's still there. For about three minutes starting > at 30 minutes, and about the same at the beginning I assume. (Most of that > was credits, so I fast fowarded through it.)
> >I see your point, but if you're trying to ignore "the stain" as on friend > >calls station bugs, you're going to end up with nothing to watch. *
> As I said: I tolerate it (barel) for stations I don't pay for. But Showtime > costs a chunk of change each month, and bills itself as a premium, > commercial-free, unedited channel.
> And at some point, they suddenly decided this was okay.
> It's not, not in my book.
> The phone number, btw, is (212) 708-1600. If anyone else wants to call and > find out how little they care what their paying customers think.
Whats the point of it exactly? Surely you know what channel you are watching without having to be force fed a logo.
> >I tolerate this -- barely -- on stations I don't explicitly pay for. But I > >pay quite a bit of money for Showtime, and that's about to stop.
> I see your point, but if you're trying to ignore "the stain" as on friend > calls station bugs, you're going to end up with nothing to watch. *
Not if enough people cancel Pay TV because of it.
Two things will result if enough people do that: 1) either channels like Showtime will stop doing it, or 2) a new Pay channel that, by policy, *never* airs bugs will come along and steal market share.
-- Ian J. Ball | "So long, you miserable hypocrites!" TV lover, and | - Barbara Ryan, ATWT, 08/27/04 Usenet slacker | ijball@macDOTcom | http://homepage.mac.com/ijball/TV.html
> And yet, I'm about to give up on it, because Showtime thinks it's > pretty frickin' keen to annoy their customers by flashing a damned > annoying logo on during programming.
> I tolerate this -- barely -- on stations I don't explicitly pay for. But I > pay quite a bit of money for Showtime, and that's about to stop.
Oddly enough, Showtime was the first network to actually sport a corner bug. At the time (late 80s), a lot of people used "HBO" as a generic term for "premium cable movie channel". Showtime started using the bug to attempt to drill into its viewers minds that they weren't actually watching HBO. If memory serves. they put it up for about 10 seconds every 45 minutes. I can't recall who was the next to follow suit, but it was either Disney or Bravo.
Personally, I'm less peeved by the bug than I am that Showtime will often scrunch the closing credits (thought they don't do it with DLM).
"kathryn" <b...@bob.com> wrote: > Whats the point of it exactly? Surely you know what channel you are > watching without having to be force fed a logo.
You'd be surprised at how many people don't know. I had a housemate years back who was a constant channel surfer. Probably 80-90% of the time, he had no idea what he was watching, let alone what channel it was on.
"Ian J. Ball" <ijball***SPAM-No...@mac.com.invalid> wrote:
>> I see your point, but if you're trying to ignore "the stain" as on friend >> calls station bugs, you're going to end up with nothing to watch. *
> Not if enough people cancel Pay TV because of it.
> Two things will result if enough people do that: 1) either channels like > Showtime will stop doing it, or 2) a new Pay channel that, by policy, > *never* airs bugs will come along and steal market share.
HBO already doesn't use bugs. But they are a lone exception, of the channels I watch with any regularity. Even Turner Classic Movies flashes a bug on the screen for about 10 seconds every 20 minutes or thereabouts.
>> Whats the point of it exactly? Surely you know what channel you are >> watching without having to be force fed a logo.
>You'd be surprised at how many people don't know. I had a housemate >years back who was a constant channel surfer. Probably 80-90% of the >time, he had no idea what he was watching, let alone what channel it >was on.
<< Oddly enough, Showtime was the first network to actually sport a corner bug. >>
First premium network more likely. The first I ever saw was on A&E. On 'Day of the Triffids' Huge freaking thing, filled a quarter of the screen. Came back on every 5 or 6 minutes, got so we were sitting there gritting our teeth waiting, and booed when it came up.
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"It wasn't CPR from Mr. Kerry. It . . It was kissing. Can a hamster-kisser fight terrorists? Let the liberal media report THAT!!"
> > Whats the point of it exactly? Surely you know what channel you are > > watching without having to be force fed a logo.
> You'd be surprised at how many people don't know. I had a housemate > years back who was a constant channel surfer. Probably 80-90% of the > time, he had no idea what he was watching, let alone what channel it > was on.
I appreciate them when I'm out of town, watching TV in a hotel room or a relative's house.
Although these days many TVs display the name of the channel (and sometimes program info) when you switch to the channel, so channel surfers don't need it on the screen continuously.
-- Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA
Far too many people have no idea what channel they are on. I'm at a PBS station, of which - at certain parts of the region -you can receive 5 of us. The bug/stain/branding is handy for the viewer to know who they are watching. Even if you have various devices to tell you who you are watching, most people don't bother to pay attention.
Why it is done is mostly for ratings. Even a non-commercial/pay station pays attention to the ratings, and in most markets the major sweeps are handled by hand written diaries which rely on the viewer knowing what channel they are on. My market (SF/Oak/SJ) is moving to people meters - which I think is great, because the box reporting viewing will know what channel you are on.
When you only had 3 Networks + PBS + a couple of independents, it was not a problem. Now you have the proverbial 500 channels with nothing on. While Showtime will not pull a series half-way through it's run, it will check to see if people are actually watching. Why waste subscriber's money on things then they are not watching.
> > Whats the point of it exactly? Surely you know what channel you are > > watching without having to be force fed a logo.
> You'd be surprised at how many people don't know. I had a housemate > years back who was a constant channel surfer. Probably 80-90% of the > time, he had no idea what he was watching, let alone what channel it > was on.
"kathryn" <b...@bob.com> writes: >Whats the point of it exactly? Surely you know what channel you are >watching without having to be force fed a logo.
There's no point, of course. On a pay station especially. But they do it because everybody does it. Gotta keep those brands burining into your retina and burning into the corner of the screen. * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews.
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:13:17 GMT, Straker <sky.di...@moonbase.alpha> wrote:
>I think Mason and Daisy kept their names because they either died long >enough ago or in another country, so nobody in this city would >recognize them. As for un-George, notice that George seems to have >really cleaned up this season, with dressier clothing and a car, so we >can assume people are treating her differently because she looks more >grown up and professional. Of course, even a cleaned up un-George >probably isn't as cute as perky George, but we may never see what she >"looks" like again so that's just a guess.
I watched 2x02 again tonight and the scene where the shopkeeper shows Daisy the mirror, it was Daisy's face that was reflected, not an "un-Daisy". I just wish they'd keep their mythology straight like they did in the first season.
In article <riqaj01cr1ka74mn7f6je1mlmbs2egi...@4ax.com>, Brian Henderson <BrianL.Hender...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote:
> I watched 2x02 again tonight and the scene where the shopkeeper shows > Daisy the mirror, it was Daisy's face that was reflected, not an > "un-Daisy". I just wish they'd keep their mythology straight like > they did in the first season.
Did anyone other than George ever have a "un" in the first season? As others have posted, the reason there's an un-George is because she still interacts with people who knew her when she was alive, and we don't want them to recognize her. None of the other reapers have this problem.
-- Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA
>>I think Mason and Daisy kept their names because they either died long >>enough ago or in another country, so nobody in this city would >>recognize them. As for un-George, notice that George seems to have >>really cleaned up this season, with dressier clothing and a car, so we >>can assume people are treating her differently because she looks more >>grown up and professional. Of course, even a cleaned up un-George >>probably isn't as cute as perky George, but we may never see what she >>"looks" like again so that's just a guess.
>I watched 2x02 again tonight and the scene where the shopkeeper shows >Daisy the mirror, it was Daisy's face that was reflected, not an >"un-Daisy". I just wish they'd keep their mythology straight like >they did in the first season.
Even in the first season, George sees herself reflected as George at the end of the title sequence (we are definitely seeing her reflected face, as the shower head is on the same side as in the preceding medium shot while she still has her hood up).
However, since we haven't seen any reapers with robes and scythes other that in the title sequence, it can probably be discounted as a bit of whimsy.
Jerry Brown -- A cat may look at a king (but probably won't bother)
> In article <riqaj01cr1ka74mn7f6je1mlmbs2egi...@4ax.com>, > Brian Henderson <BrianL.Hender...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote:
> > I watched 2x02 again tonight and the scene where the shopkeeper shows > > Daisy the mirror, it was Daisy's face that was reflected, not an > > "un-Daisy". I just wish they'd keep their mythology straight like > > they did in the first season.
> Did anyone other than George ever have a "un" in the first season?
> > Whats the point of it exactly? Surely you know what channel you are > > watching without having to be force fed a logo.
> You'd be surprised at how many people don't know. I had a housemate > years back who was a constant channel surfer. Probably 80-90% of the > time, he had no idea what he was watching, let alone what channel it > was on.
> -- jayembee
1) Cable providers like to arbitrarily switch around channels.
2) Different providers in different regions have different numbers (e.g., Chicago, West Suburban Chicago, Southern Chicago, Northern Chicago, Far West Suburbs, etc.)
3) Cable has different numbers than satellite (e.g., on my cable, CNN is on 36, it used to be on another channel before I moved, at work its on 202.)
4) And when travelling out of town, the station bugs are beneficial (altho with digital cable, they have a pop-up guide that lists the channels).
> << Oddly enough, Showtime was the first network to actually sport a > corner bug. >>
> First premium network more likely. The first I ever saw was on A&E. On 'Day > of the Triffids' Huge freaking thing, filled a quarter of the screen. Came > back on every 5 or 6 minutes, got so we were sitting there gritting our teeth > waiting, and booed when it came up.
> _____
> "It wasn't CPR from Mr. Kerry. > It . . > It was kissing. > Can a hamster-kisser fight terrorists? > Let the liberal media report THAT!!"
Nice visual image.
-- Ken from Chicago (who imagines Anim and wife booing the tv screen while the kids roll their eyes at parents wigging out)
