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[JM Morrison]

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See, now that is how you introduce a new character. Give him a real
reason to be there and a real character, and then pull the rug out from
under audience with a twist at the end. Speculations as to what happened?

The other one, on the other hand, is still entirely useless and
distracting bad. Someone please tell me she's sleeping with someone
important, because that would at least be an excuse for why she's there.
I can't see any other reason.

An actual bad guy bad guy this week - spreading his seed so that he can
have their organs to harvest when the Troubles roll around again. And
may I say, ewww. Fully deserved to die.

The only part I don't buy about what happened between Duke, Audrey and
Nix at the end there is when Audrey walked away - apparently leaving Nix
alone so that Duke kills him unobserved. Silly and awkward construction
merely to provide the story beats at the right time for the script.
Knew that it was going to come down to this - Duke killing someone to
save others, knew that Audrey was going to force him to make that
choice. But I just don't see her walk away from a dying man, and a
prisoner.

I know the producers were talking about making this Nathan's year, but
so far it seems to be all about Duke. And Eric Balfour is running away
with it. Brilliant scene with him at the end - and yes, the payoff of
this scene is worth the awkward set-up just so that Audrey can confront
him here. Or rather Duke confronts Audrey with the consequences of her
actions... In any case, great scene. No one is going to be able run
away from their destinies, it seems.

-jmm

[jack]

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:58:02 PM UTC-4, JM Morrison wrote:
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> See, now that is how you introduce a new character. Give him a real
> reason to be there and a real character, and then pull the rug out from
> under audience with a twist at the end. Speculations as to what happened?

Agreed, the show hit its stride this week. A really creepy Trouble. We have our mystery man out there out to get Audrey; hope this develops well; this show has missed having a decent villain since the Reverend got killed. One point: aren't you not allowed to take photos of crime scenes?

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> distracting bad. Someone please tell me she's sleeping with someone
> important, because that would at least be an excuse for why she's there.

You meant the shrink? Sort of reminds me of Sweets on _Bones_. Can only assume it was felt by the writers that they needed another major female character to balance the new cop.

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> The only part I don't buy about what happened between Duke, Audrey and
> Nix at the end there is when Audrey walked away - apparently leaving Nix
> alone so that Duke kills him unobserved. Silly and awkward construction
> merely to provide the story beats at the right time for the script.
> Knew that it was going to come down to this - Duke killing someone to
save others, knew that Audrey was going to force him to make that
> choice. But I just don't see her walk away from a dying man, and a
> prisoner.

Audrey did put in a call for an ambulance; covered herself there; but I thought she walked off hoping Duke would have second thoughts. The biggest problem here I thought is how the hell did they explain what happened to the wife and even the kid? Your "troubled" husband attempted to use "Alien" tongue to scoop out some organ from your son? And how would the husband have explained his son's sudden death especially given he had been in a hurry to leave Haven?

[JM Morrison]

On 08/10/2012 8:30 AM, jack wrote:
> On Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:58:02 PM UTC-4, JM Morrison wrote:
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>> See, now that is how you introduce a new character. Give him a real
>> reason to be there and a real character, and then pull the rug out from
>> under audience with a twist at the end. Speculations as to what happened?
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> Agreed, the show hit its stride this week. A really creepy Trouble. We have our mystery man out there out to get Audrey; hope this develops well; this show has missed having a decent villain since the Reverend got killed. One point: aren't you not allowed to take photos of crime scenes?
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Don't know. I would imagine that police try to conceal what they can,
but with everyone now with cell phones/cameras that would take shrouding
every crime scene in a tent.

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>> The other one, on the other hand, is still entirely useless and
>> distracting bad. Someone please tell me she's sleeping with someone
>> important, because that would at least be an excuse for why she's there.
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> You meant the shrink? Sort of reminds me of Sweets on _Bones_. Can only assume it was felt by the writers that they needed another major female character to balance the new cop.
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I can understand the want for another female character, even agree. I
hate the expositional device of a psychiatrist - where the characters
tell us what they are feeling instead of showing us. How much more
powerful was Duke's completely wordless betrayal and anguish at the end
than Audrey and Claire talking about how she pushed Nathan away.
Especially when we just saw Audrey push Nathan away. Not that there's
much there to start with anyway, but the actress brings absolutely
nothing to the role.

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>> The only part I don't buy about what happened between Duke, Audrey and
>> Nix at the end there is when Audrey walked away - apparently leaving Nix
>> alone so that Duke kills him unobserved. Silly and awkward construction
>> merely to provide the story beats at the right time for the script.
>> Knew that it was going to come down to this - Duke killing someone to
> save others, knew that Audrey was going to force him to make that
>> choice. But I just don't see her walk away from a dying man, and a
>> prisoner.
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> Audrey did put in a call for an ambulance; covered herself there; but I thought she walked off hoping Duke would have second thoughts. The biggest problem here I thought is how the hell did they explain what happened to the wife and even the kid? Your "troubled" husband attempted to use "Alien" tongue to scoop out some organ from your son? And how would the husband have explained his son's sudden death especially given he had been in a hurry to leave Haven?
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I doubt the husband was thinking of explaining things yet - he was just
trying to survive. At all costs. If he's willing to suck the organs
out of his own children, I don't think killing his wife would have
stopped him. Explaining the events to the survivors is what Nathan and
Audrey do - sometimes with the truth, sometimes with a convenient lie,
depending on what they need to know or can accept.

[David Barnett]

In article <Jojcs.5139$zI3....@newsfe18.iad>,
jmmn...@shaw.ca says...

I enjoyed reading your comments.

I thought that this was a much episode than the previous
one.
However, I was left wondering how he got that gruesome
snake-like thing in his mouth.

--
David Barnett

[JM Morrison]

On 08/10/2012 12:10 PM, David Barnett wrote:
> In article <Jojcs.5139$zI3....@newsfe18.iad>,
> jmmn...@shaw.ca says...
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> I enjoyed reading your comments.
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> I thought that this was a much episode than the previous
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? Nothing like a typo that leaves out the actual point of your
sentence... ;-)

> However, I was left wondering how he got that gruesome
> snake-like thing in his mouth.

Magic.
Or Stargate visual effects studio, depending on your POV. Looks
*exactly* like a goa'uld. Didn't spend any money on an original design.

-jmm

[David Barnett]

In article <BgGcs.4911$EP3....@newsfe07.iad>,
jmmn...@shaw.ca says...

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> On 08/10/2012 12:10 PM, David Barnett wrote:
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> ? Nothing like a typo that leaves out the actual point of your
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Sorry about that.
It should have been "this was a much *better* episode..."

I usually proof read my posts, but sometimes I forget to
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> > However, I was left wondering how he got that gruesome
> > snake-like thing in his mouth.
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> Magic.
> Or Stargate visual effects studio, depending on your POV. Looks
> *exactly* like a goa'uld. Didn't spend any money on an original design.

Never thought of that, but yes I agree that it looks
"exactly like a goa'uld".

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David Barnett

[Adam H. Kerman]

JM Morrison <jmmn...@shaw.ca> wrote:

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>See, now that is how you introduce a new character. Give him a real
>reason to be there and a real character, and then pull the rug out from
>under audience with a twist at the end. Speculations as to what happened?

>The other one, on the other hand, is still entirely useless and
>distracting bad. Someone please tell me she's sleeping with someone
>important, because that would at least be an excuse for why she's there.
> I can't see any other reason.

Red shirt!

>An actual bad guy bad guy this week - spreading his seed so that he can
>have their organs to harvest when the Troubles roll around again. And
>may I say, ewww. Fully deserved to die.

Duke's power is a generation-skipping power? He just has to execute one
guy and it removes the curse from his children? That's new.

>The only part I don't buy about what happened between Duke, Audrey and
>Nix at the end there is when Audrey walked away - apparently leaving Nix
>alone so that Duke kills him unobserved. Silly and awkward construction
>merely to provide the story beats at the right time for the script.
>Knew that it was going to come down to this - Duke killing someone to
>save others, knew that Audrey was going to force him to make that
>choice. But I just don't see her walk away from a dying man, and a
>prisoner.

I thought she was going to stay there to make sure he died, even if
she had to help it along.

>I know the producers were talking about making this Nathan's year, but
>so far it seems to be all about Duke. And Eric Balfour is running away
>with it. Brilliant scene with him at the end - and yes, the payoff of
>this scene is worth the awkward set-up just so that Audrey can confront
>him here. Or rather Duke confronts Audrey with the consequences of her
>actions... In any case, great scene. No one is going to be able run
>away from their destinies, it seems.

I agree with what you wrote.

[Adam H. Kerman]

JM Morrison <jmmn...@shaw.ca> wrote:

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>Magic.
>Or Stargate visual effects studio, depending on your POV. Looks
>*exactly* like a goa'uld. Didn't spend any money on an original design.

Hehehehe

[JM Morrison]

On 12/10/2012 7:57 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> JM Morrison <jmmn...@shaw.ca> wrote:
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>> See, now that is how you introduce a new character. Give him a real
>> reason to be there and a real character, and then pull the rug out from
>> under audience with a twist at the end. Speculations as to what happened?
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>> The other one, on the other hand, is still entirely useless and
>> distracting bad. Someone please tell me she's sleeping with someone
>> important, because that would at least be an excuse for why she's there.
>> I can't see any other reason.
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> Red shirt!

Oh, what a great idea. I doubt it, but we can hope.

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>> An actual bad guy bad guy this week - spreading his seed so that he can
>> have their organs to harvest when the Troubles roll around again. And
>> may I say, ewww. Fully deserved to die.
>
> Duke's power is a generation-skipping power? He just has to execute one
> guy and it removes the curse from his children? That's new.

No, that's the way it's always been. Last season the last show had the
young father-to-be kill himself with the knife Duke was holding, in
order to save his unborn child. Duke's father's ghost told him that
killing the grandfather would have prevented the incident coming from
his grandchild.

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>> The only part I don't buy about what happened between Duke, Audrey and
>> Nix at the end there is when Audrey walked away - apparently leaving Nix
>> alone so that Duke kills him unobserved. Silly and awkward construction
>> merely to provide the story beats at the right time for the script.
>> Knew that it was going to come down to this - Duke killing someone to
>> save others, knew that Audrey was going to force him to make that
>> choice. But I just don't see her walk away from a dying man, and a
>> prisoner.
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> I thought she was going to stay there to make sure he died, even if
> she had to help it along.

Exactly. Aside from which she's a cop and he's a murderer. You don't
just walk away.

-jmm

[Adam H. Kerman]

JM Morrison <jmmn...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>On 12/10/2012 7:57 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>JM Morrison <jmmn...@shaw.ca> wrote:

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>>>An actual bad guy bad guy this week - spreading his seed so that he can
>>>have their organs to harvest when the Troubles roll around again. And
>>>may I say, ewww. Fully deserved to die.

>>Duke's power is a generation-skipping power? He just has to execute one
>>guy and it removes the curse from his children? That's new.

>No, that's the way it's always been. Last season the last show had the
>young father-to-be kill himself with the knife Duke was holding, in
>order to save his unborn child. Duke's father's ghost told him that
>killing the grandfather would have prevented the incident coming from
>his grandchild.

I guess you're right. I'd forgotten.