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tomcervo
Jul 30, 2012, 2:11:43 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 29, 7:43 pm, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
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> It's generally knwon that the dead vote Democrat;
And the brain-dead vote Republican.
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> It's generally knwon that the dead vote Democrat;
And the brain-dead vote Republican.
Gunner Asch
Jul 30, 2012, 4:32:14 AM7/30/12
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:11:43 -0700 (PDT), tomcervo <tomc...@aol.com>
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>On Jul 29, 7:43�pm, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
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>> It's generally knwon that the dead vote Democrat;
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>And the brain-dead vote Republican.
Oh lookie! Another Leftwing bottom dweller pokes up his widdle pointed
head and looks around in confusion.
Laugh laugh laugh
Anyone want to take the shot? This is an easy one.
Gunner
--
"I was eating breakfast with my 13-year-old granddaughter
and I asked her, "What day is the 20th of February?"
She said "It's President's Day!"
(She is a smart kid.)
I asked "What does President's Day mean?"
I was waiting for something about Washington or Lincoln .... etc.
She replied, "President's Day is when President Obama steps out
of the White House, and if he sees his shadow we have
one more year of unemployment."
You know, it hurts when hot coffee spurts out your nose..."
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>On Jul 29, 7:43�pm, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
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>> It's generally knwon that the dead vote Democrat;
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>And the brain-dead vote Republican.
head and looks around in confusion.
Laugh laugh laugh
Anyone want to take the shot? This is an easy one.
Gunner
--
"I was eating breakfast with my 13-year-old granddaughter
and I asked her, "What day is the 20th of February?"
She said "It's President's Day!"
(She is a smart kid.)
I asked "What does President's Day mean?"
I was waiting for something about Washington or Lincoln .... etc.
She replied, "President's Day is when President Obama steps out
of the White House, and if he sees his shadow we have
one more year of unemployment."
You know, it hurts when hot coffee spurts out your nose..."
SaPeIsMa
Jul 30, 2012, 10:44:18 AM7/30/12
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"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:11:43 -0700 (PDT), tomcervo <tomc...@aol.com>
> wrote:
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>>On Jul 29, 7:43 pm, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
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>>>
>>> It's generally knwon that the dead vote Democrat;
>>
>>
>>And the brain-dead vote Republican.
>
> Oh lookie! Another Leftwing bottom dweller pokes up his widdle pointed
> head and looks around in confusion.
>
> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> Anyone want to take the shot? This is an easy one.
>
Why bother ?
> wrote:
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>>On Jul 29, 7:43 pm, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
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>>>
>>> It's generally knwon that the dead vote Democrat;
>>
>>
>>And the brain-dead vote Republican.
>
> Oh lookie! Another Leftwing bottom dweller pokes up his widdle pointed
> head and looks around in confusion.
>
> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> Anyone want to take the shot? This is an easy one.
>
It's not worth the cost of a bullet.
Obveeus
Jul 30, 2012, 4:46:22 PM7/30/12
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"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> bra...@panix.com wrote:
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>>Democrats and Republicans don't agree on much. But they do agree
>>that voter registration lists across the country are a mess.
>>
>>A new report by the Pew Center on the States finds that more
>>than 1.8 million dead people are currently registered to vote.
>>And 24 million registrations are either invalid or inaccurate.
>
> It's generally knwon that the dead vote Democrat; one reason they are so
> opposed to atempts to enforce voter fraud laws.
It is generally known that most dead people were old people shortly before
becoming dead people. The older a person gets, the more likely they are to
be Republican, so it is VERY likely that the majority of dead people still
registered to vote are Republican. As for people registered in more than
one state...yes, that is a prime area for voter fraud...and people that
actually vote in multiple states are also likely to own multiple homes
(which means more likely to be Republican) or be students (more likely to be
younger, hense Democrats...except that one of the two ballots will be filled
out by the parent back at home which means it will more likely be filled out
by a Republican).
emoneyjoe
Jul 30, 2012, 9:53:03 PM7/30/12
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that all currently invalid registrations are the result
of the person moving or dying, and not deliberate
falsified registration.
And then, how a person is registered has no
bearing on the general election results.
And this brings up a question; How would
anybody know how an illegal voter voted?
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Dragon Lady
Jul 30, 2012, 11:10:28 PM7/30/12
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to promote whatever they are fanatic about.
emoneyjoe
Jul 31, 2012, 4:50:00 AM7/31/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:10:28 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
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So they wouldn't know how a dead person voted?
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Gunner Asch
Jul 31, 2012, 6:26:00 AM7/31/12
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your bullshit? Or was this just something you came up with while doing
a dubie?
SaPeIsMa
Jul 31, 2012, 11:35:53 AM7/31/12
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That's why there are "voter fraud convictions"
<http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=voter+fraud+convictions&oq=voter+frad&gs_l=hp.3.3.0i10l4.0.0.2.246.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.4rgPEbJGi5o&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=fe6f8da2d5e72e38&biw=967&bih=494>
The only thing you seem to do well is abject denial
SaPeIsMa
Jul 31, 2012, 11:37:25 AM7/31/12
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A dead person doesn't vote, dummy
They're dead
A live fraud artist votes using their ID
That's called VOTER FRAUD
Usually, false voter ID seems to be a favorite sport of pinkies with ACORN
at the front of the pack
They're dead
A live fraud artist votes using their ID
That's called VOTER FRAUD
Usually, false voter ID seems to be a favorite sport of pinkies with ACORN
at the front of the pack
pyotr filipivich
Jul 31, 2012, 2:32:17 PM7/31/12
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"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> on Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:46:22 -0400 typed
in misc.survivalism the following:
Let me see if I have this correct. Because the people who died
were possibly Republican (when they weren't Whigs) that means that the
person who is registering their name for future use, is going to vote
just like they would have?
Fascinating.
pyotr
Why, yes, I did spend some time getting "charm" lessons.
--
pyotr filipivich
"The Democrats smell blood and don't want to be told that it's their own."
~ Mark Steyn
in misc.survivalism the following:
were possibly Republican (when they weren't Whigs) that means that the
person who is registering their name for future use, is going to vote
just like they would have?
Fascinating.
pyotr
Why, yes, I did spend some time getting "charm" lessons.
--
pyotr filipivich
"The Democrats smell blood and don't want to be told that it's their own."
~ Mark Steyn
pyotr filipivich
Jul 31, 2012, 2:32:17 PM7/31/12
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emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> on Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:50:00 -0500
In theory, they should not be able to tell how any voter voted. In
Theory.
But with electronic, e-voting , and vote fraud by mail - not so
secure.
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pyotr filipivich
Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
Theory.
But with electronic, e-voting , and vote fraud by mail - not so
secure.
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pyotr filipivich
Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
pyotr filipivich
Jul 31, 2012, 2:32:17 PM7/31/12
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"SaPeIsMa" <Sape...@gmail.com> on Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:35:53 -0500
and "knowing for whom, they voted fraudulently"
I am reminded of a story of the Funeral for the Only Republican
Voter in the county. Everybody knew who he was, but nobody was going
to be so crude or crass as to say it out loud. But he died, they held
a right proper funeral. Then come November - there it was, the one,
sole, single, solitary Republican vote in an otherwise pure Democrat
County.
Never can tell.
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
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>> And this brings up a question; How would
>> anybody know how an illegal voter voted?
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>Riiight
>That's why there are "voter fraud convictions"
> <http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=voter+fraud+convictions&oq=voter+frad&gs_l=hp.3.3.0i10l4.0.0.2.246.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.4rgPEbJGi5o&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=fe6f8da2d5e72e38&biw=967&bih=494>
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There is a difference between "knowing they voted fraudulently"
>> anybody know how an illegal voter voted?
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>Riiight
>That's why there are "voter fraud convictions"
> <http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=voter+fraud+convictions&oq=voter+frad&gs_l=hp.3.3.0i10l4.0.0.2.246.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c.4rgPEbJGi5o&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=fe6f8da2d5e72e38&biw=967&bih=494>
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and "knowing for whom, they voted fraudulently"
I am reminded of a story of the Funeral for the Only Republican
Voter in the county. Everybody knew who he was, but nobody was going
to be so crude or crass as to say it out loud. But he died, they held
a right proper funeral. Then come November - there it was, the one,
sole, single, solitary Republican vote in an otherwise pure Democrat
County.
Never can tell.
Gunner Asch
Jul 31, 2012, 5:19:36 PM7/31/12
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district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
Do the math any way you choose.
Gunner Asch
Jul 31, 2012, 5:24:48 PM7/31/12
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:35:53 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <Sape...@gmail.com>
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One of my favorites...<VBG>
http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
And of course..we have the oppositions take on it.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/167217/voter-fraud-fraud#
If one reads this far leftwing extremist fringe kooks article..one would
wonder where the several hundred other convictions came from. <VBG>
Leftwingers tend to lie..and lie a lot. In fact..constantly.
"A major probe by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007 failed to
prosecute a single person for going to the polls and impersonating an
eligible voter"
Yet a bit of research shows that literally hundreds were arrested and
convicted of voter fraud during those years.
Leftwingers lie. Its part and parcel of who and what they are. And of
course..they are all mentally ill.
wrote:
http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
And of course..we have the oppositions take on it.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/167217/voter-fraud-fraud#
If one reads this far leftwing extremist fringe kooks article..one would
wonder where the several hundred other convictions came from. <VBG>
Leftwingers tend to lie..and lie a lot. In fact..constantly.
"A major probe by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007 failed to
prosecute a single person for going to the polls and impersonating an
eligible voter"
Yet a bit of research shows that literally hundreds were arrested and
convicted of voter fraud during those years.
Leftwingers lie. Its part and parcel of who and what they are. And of
course..they are all mentally ill.
emoneyjoe
Jul 31, 2012, 7:15:12 PM7/31/12
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election, how does anyone know who a voter
voted for, that is what "how a voter voted" means.
emoneyjoe
Jul 31, 2012, 7:16:22 PM7/31/12
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:37:25 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <Sape...@gmail.com>
Nobody knows who the dead voter voted for.
pyotr filipivich
Jul 31, 2012, 9:19:15 PM7/31/12
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:19:36 -0700
finding more ballots, six months later. It went to trial, and the
judge let the election stand, although he did toss out 1200 votes.
Just from the total count, not from any individual results.
And folks wonder why some of us don't really consider any close
race "legitimate". Or some not so close ones.
This was declared to be a standard of accuracy a bank would be
pleased to have. I want to bank at that bank.
tschus
pyotr
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
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>
>>pyotr filipivich
>>Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
>>at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
>>where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
>
>When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
Here is was 8,000 more votes counted than cast. And they kept
>>Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
>>at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
>>where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
>
>When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
finding more ballots, six months later. It went to trial, and the
judge let the election stand, although he did toss out 1200 votes.
Just from the total count, not from any individual results.
And folks wonder why some of us don't really consider any close
race "legitimate". Or some not so close ones.
This was declared to be a standard of accuracy a bank would be
pleased to have. I want to bank at that bank.
tschus
pyotr
SaPeIsMa
Jul 31, 2012, 11:14:01 PM7/31/12
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As always beside the point
1) Bottom line is really does NOT matter who the voter for.
Fraud is fraud
2) But it's quite possible to figure out who they voted for, going by who
registered them
1) Bottom line is really does NOT matter who the voter for.
Fraud is fraud
2) But it's quite possible to figure out who they voted for, going by who
registered them
SaPeIsMa
Jul 31, 2012, 11:14:35 PM7/31/12
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Are you really this stupid ?
Dragon Lady
Aug 5, 2012, 10:52:52 PM8/5/12
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They're not supposed to know how *anybody* votes. If you don't know that,
you've never voted.
If they know who voted and how, they have broken the law. Even if they are
claiming it's from polls, they have to be lying. I can just see some joker
standing outside the voting booths asking people "How did you vote, and did
you vote using the registration of someone who is dead?"
And don't tell me they asked for the names of the voters. Legitimate
pollsters don't do that.
you've never voted.
If they know who voted and how, they have broken the law. Even if they are
claiming it's from polls, they have to be lying. I can just see some joker
standing outside the voting booths asking people "How did you vote, and did
you vote using the registration of someone who is dead?"
And don't tell me they asked for the names of the voters. Legitimate
pollsters don't do that.
Dragon Lady
Aug 5, 2012, 10:57:16 PM8/5/12
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Theroetically, it's possible to make votes completely irrelevant with
electronic voting. It all depeneds on how honest the programmer is.
Dragon Lady
Aug 5, 2012, 11:03:00 PM8/5/12
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Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to tell
me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there are
Democratic politicians.
They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
dishonest than others.
And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name is
checked off before you can vote.
me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there are
Democratic politicians.
They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
dishonest than others.
And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name is
checked off before you can vote.
Dragon Lady
Aug 5, 2012, 11:06:01 PM8/5/12
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As do rightwingers. They're all a bunch of wingnuts. Though I doubt any of
them are considered mentally ill by any standard of mental health. They
are, after all, entitiled to their opinions, no matter how stupid the rest
of us may think they are.
them are considered mentally ill by any standard of mental health. They
are, after all, entitiled to their opinions, no matter how stupid the rest
of us may think they are.
Dragon Lady
Aug 5, 2012, 11:07:50 PM8/5/12
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favor.
> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:19:36 -0700
> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>
>>>pyotr filipivich
>>>Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
>>>at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to
>>>look for,
>>>where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
>>
>>When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>>district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>
> Here is was 8,000 more votes counted than cast. And they kept
> finding more ballots, six months later. It went to trial, and the
> judge let the election stand, although he did toss out 1200 votes.
> Just from the total count, not from any individual results.
>
> And folks wonder why some of us don't really consider any close
> race "legitimate". Or some not so close ones.
>
> This was declared to be a standard of accuracy a bank would be
> pleased to have. I want to bank at that bank.
No. You don't. Believe me. Banks would *not* be making "mistakes" in your
> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>
>>>pyotr filipivich
>>>Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
>>>at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to
>>>look for,
>>>where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
>>
>>When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>>district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>
> Here is was 8,000 more votes counted than cast. And they kept
> finding more ballots, six months later. It went to trial, and the
> judge let the election stand, although he did toss out 1200 votes.
> Just from the total count, not from any individual results.
>
> And folks wonder why some of us don't really consider any close
> race "legitimate". Or some not so close ones.
>
> This was declared to be a standard of accuracy a bank would be
> pleased to have. I want to bank at that bank.
favor.
Dimensional Traveler
Aug 5, 2012, 11:25:39 PM8/5/12
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people questions for polls and surveys and name of the respondent is one
of the universal, routine questions. (Along with gender, marital
status, annual income, phone number, address and age group.) Legitimate
pollsters don't _give out_ the names of respondents but they do ask for
them as a control to keep the people asking the questions honest as a
certain percentage of them will be called to verify that they actually
did participate.
Gunner Asch
Aug 6, 2012, 2:23:42 AM8/6/12
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:03:00 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
You have cites for your claim?
http://peoplesworld.org/what-voter-fraud-one-republican-convicted/
Care to add your list of fraud convictions to mine?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/asking-for-i-d-before-voting-is-racist-but-you-need-a-govt-i-d-to-buy-drain-cleaner/
Be better educated before blithering out such buffoonery.
>
>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>dishonest than others.
>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>dishonest than others.
>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
http://peoplesworld.org/what-voter-fraud-one-republican-convicted/
Care to add your list of fraud convictions to mine?
>
>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name is
>checked off before you can vote.
Ah..no. No you dont. And thats the problem in so many states.
>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name is
>checked off before you can vote.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/asking-for-i-d-before-voting-is-racist-but-you-need-a-govt-i-d-to-buy-drain-cleaner/
Be better educated before blithering out such buffoonery.
Gunner Asch
Aug 6, 2012, 2:26:54 AM8/6/12
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:06:01 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
wrote:
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Now which Republicans lied about what? There will be a test after this
question and Ill be asking for your cites.
Now if we have a few days..I can provide a partial listing of Democrat
lies in the past year alone. Want me to start? Did you bring a lunch
from home? This will take a while for you to read through a fraction of
the list.
And I DO know that Leftwingers are mentally ill. Its quite well
documented. Now..are you a liar too? Or are you one of the
very..very..very rare Leftwingers who are actually simply stupid and not
mentally ill?
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>> Leftwingers lie. Its part and parcel of who and what they are. And of
>> course..they are all mentally ill.
>
>As do rightwingers. They're all a bunch of wingnuts. Though I doubt any of
>them are considered mentally ill by any standard of mental health. They
>are, after all, entitiled to their opinions, no matter how stupid the rest
>of us may think they are.
So you admit that Leftwingers lie. Thats a very good start!
>> course..they are all mentally ill.
>
>As do rightwingers. They're all a bunch of wingnuts. Though I doubt any of
>them are considered mentally ill by any standard of mental health. They
>are, after all, entitiled to their opinions, no matter how stupid the rest
>of us may think they are.
Now which Republicans lied about what? There will be a test after this
question and Ill be asking for your cites.
Now if we have a few days..I can provide a partial listing of Democrat
lies in the past year alone. Want me to start? Did you bring a lunch
from home? This will take a while for you to read through a fraction of
the list.
And I DO know that Leftwingers are mentally ill. Its quite well
documented. Now..are you a liar too? Or are you one of the
very..very..very rare Leftwingers who are actually simply stupid and not
mentally ill?
Gunner Asch
Aug 6, 2012, 2:27:55 AM8/6/12
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:07:50 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
wrote:
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Reading comprehension issues already on your part? Perhaps you should
read the above again..and again until it sinks in to your skull.
wrote:
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read the above again..and again until it sinks in to your skull.
emoneyjoe
Aug 6, 2012, 8:03:45 AM8/6/12
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:03:00 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
I think the record is pretty clear, at least
in _some_ areas, democrat activity has been
considerable.
>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>dishonest than others.
>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name is
>checked off before you can vote.
I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
numbered on one corner, and that corner was
torn off and given to me separately.
That was a surprise, because I thought of
different ways they could have connected the
ballot to the numbers on the list.
Some towns are run by cliques, often with
many members of the same family controlling
city hall and the council.
in _some_ areas, democrat activity has been
considerable.
>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>dishonest than others.
>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name is
>checked off before you can vote.
in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
numbered on one corner, and that corner was
torn off and given to me separately.
That was a surprise, because I thought of
different ways they could have connected the
ballot to the numbers on the list.
Some towns are run by cliques, often with
many members of the same family controlling
city hall and the council.
SaPeIsMa
Aug 6, 2012, 11:52:42 AM8/6/12
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"Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Stupid pinkies are still at the grade school state mentally
They somehow imagine that accusing others of their bad behavior, whether
true or not, somehow excuses their bad behavior
And since they are also liars, they imagine that their lies are perfectly
justified as well, since they assume that everyone else is a liar like them.
pyotr filipivich
Aug 6, 2012, 1:29:41 PM8/6/12
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"Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:07:50 -0600
Elections has a record of accuracy "a bank your envy" -- I want to
bank at what ever bank he has in mind. Because obviously, they are
adding more money to his account than he's depositing.
Regardless, when Ron Sims made that statement, he was laughed at.
Because an accurate count of the votes does not find 8000 more votes
than the number of voters participating.
And yeah, it is "funny" how every time they fixed an "error" it
broke for the Democrat.
--
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>
>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:u9vg18pgifjvnui3o...@4ax.com...
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:19:36 -0700
>> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>>>pyotr filipivich
>>>>Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
>>>>at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to
>>>>look for,
>>>>where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
>>>
>>>When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>>>district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>>doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>>
>> Here is was 8,000 more votes counted than cast. And they kept
>> finding more ballots, six months later. It went to trial, and the
>> judge let the election stand, although he did toss out 1200 votes.
>> Just from the total count, not from any individual results.
>>
>> And folks wonder why some of us don't really consider any close
>> race "legitimate". Or some not so close ones.
>>
>> This was declared to be a standard of accuracy a bank would be
>> pleased to have. I want to bank at that bank.
>
>No. You don't. Believe me. Banks would *not* be making "mistakes" in your
>favor.
When Ron Sims, the King County Executive, says that his Office of
>
>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:u9vg18pgifjvnui3o...@4ax.com...
>> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:19:36 -0700
>> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>>>pyotr filipivich
>>>>Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
>>>>at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to
>>>>look for,
>>>>where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
>>>
>>>When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>>>district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>>doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>>
>> Here is was 8,000 more votes counted than cast. And they kept
>> finding more ballots, six months later. It went to trial, and the
>> judge let the election stand, although he did toss out 1200 votes.
>> Just from the total count, not from any individual results.
>>
>> And folks wonder why some of us don't really consider any close
>> race "legitimate". Or some not so close ones.
>>
>> This was declared to be a standard of accuracy a bank would be
>> pleased to have. I want to bank at that bank.
>
>No. You don't. Believe me. Banks would *not* be making "mistakes" in your
>favor.
Elections has a record of accuracy "a bank your envy" -- I want to
bank at what ever bank he has in mind. Because obviously, they are
adding more money to his account than he's depositing.
Regardless, when Ron Sims made that statement, he was laughed at.
Because an accurate count of the votes does not find 8000 more votes
than the number of voters participating.
And yeah, it is "funny" how every time they fixed an "error" it
broke for the Democrat.
--
pyotr filipivich
Aug 6, 2012, 1:29:41 PM8/6/12
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"Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:03:00 -0600
by logic?
Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
tschus
pyotr
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>
>
>> When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>>
>> Do the math any way you choose.
>
>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to tell
>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there are
>Democratic politicians.
Why should I try to reason you from a position you did not came to
>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>>
>> Do the math any way you choose.
>
>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to tell
>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there are
>Democratic politicians.
by logic?
Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>
>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>dishonest than others.
>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>
>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name is
>checked off before you can vote.
Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>dishonest than others.
>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>
>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name is
>checked off before you can vote.
insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
tschus
pyotr
Dragon Lady
Aug 6, 2012, 2:37:59 PM8/6/12
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guy was outside the library, which probably doesn't count. :P
On the other hand, most of the polls I've answered have been by telephone,
so I guess they already would have had that information.
Dragon Lady
Aug 6, 2012, 3:15:42 PM8/6/12
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No. And I don't find yours particualarly trustworthy for the claims being
made either.
What I do have is 58 years of experience listening to politicians of all
stripes lie their asses off to get votes.
>>
>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>dishonest than others.
>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>
> http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
>
> http://peoplesworld.org/what-voter-fraud-one-republican-convicted/
>
> Care to add your list of fraud convictions to mine?
Try this one.
http://news.yahoo.com/gops-believe-voter-fraud-epidemic-163000131.html
It's probably closer to the truth.
>
>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>is
>>checked off before you can vote.
>
> Ah..no. No you dont. And thats the problem in so many states.
>
> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/asking-for-i-d-before-voting-is-racist-but-you-need-a-govt-i-d-to-buy-drain-cleaner/
Yeah, funny how there's no documentation that they don't ask for ID before
voting. This is just one more example of riduculous laws passed because of
isolated incidents. It doesn't have jack shit to do with election fraud or
voter fraud. Why don't you go troll somewhere else, loser?
made either.
What I do have is 58 years of experience listening to politicians of all
stripes lie their asses off to get votes.
>>
>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>dishonest than others.
>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>
> http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
>
> http://peoplesworld.org/what-voter-fraud-one-republican-convicted/
>
> Care to add your list of fraud convictions to mine?
http://news.yahoo.com/gops-believe-voter-fraud-epidemic-163000131.html
It's probably closer to the truth.
>
>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>is
>>checked off before you can vote.
>
> Ah..no. No you dont. And thats the problem in so many states.
>
> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/asking-for-i-d-before-voting-is-racist-but-you-need-a-govt-i-d-to-buy-drain-cleaner/
voting. This is just one more example of riduculous laws passed because of
isolated incidents. It doesn't have jack shit to do with election fraud or
voter fraud. Why don't you go troll somewhere else, loser?
Dragon Lady
Aug 6, 2012, 3:24:41 PM8/6/12
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Of course it has. They're all a bunch of power hungry crooks. That's my
definition of "politician".
>
>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>dishonest than others.
>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>
> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be some
who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might even
be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
doubts that any of them get elected.
>
> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped themselves.
These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
difference what political group they belong to - they're still criminals.
>
>
>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>is
>>checked off before you can vote.
>
> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
> torn off and given to me separately.
>
> That was a surprise, because I thought of
> different ways they could have connected the
> ballot to the numbers on the list.
Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given to
the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
specific person voted.
>
> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
> many members of the same family controlling
> city hall and the council.
Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population than
voter fraud.
definition of "politician".
>
>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>dishonest than others.
>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>
> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might even
be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
doubts that any of them get elected.
>
> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped themselves.
These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
difference what political group they belong to - they're still criminals.
>
>
>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>is
>>checked off before you can vote.
>
> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
> torn off and given to me separately.
>
> That was a surprise, because I thought of
> different ways they could have connected the
> ballot to the numbers on the list.
the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
specific person voted.
>
> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
> many members of the same family controlling
> city hall and the council.
voter fraud.
Dragon Lady
Aug 6, 2012, 3:32:11 PM8/6/12
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And what part of "I want to bank at that bank" did you not understand?
Dragon Lady
Aug 6, 2012, 3:37:38 PM8/6/12
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Glad I don't live in King County. It's obviously run by morons.
>
> Regardless, when Ron Sims made that statement, he was laughed at.
> Because an accurate count of the votes does not find 8000 more votes
> than the number of voters participating.
> And yeah, it is "funny" how every time they fixed an "error" it
> broke for the Democrat.
Let me guess. County execs are democrats, county voters are sick of the
mess they've made of things.
>
> Regardless, when Ron Sims made that statement, he was laughed at.
> Because an accurate count of the votes does not find 8000 more votes
> than the number of voters participating.
> And yeah, it is "funny" how every time they fixed an "error" it
> broke for the Democrat.
mess they've made of things.
Dragon Lady
Aug 6, 2012, 3:41:11 PM8/6/12
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experience illogical.
>
> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who didn't
vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or not. And
it's the Republicans doing it.
>>
>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>dishonest than others.
>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>
>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>is
>>checked off before you can vote.
>
> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>
> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
one?
> "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:03:00 -0600
> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>
>>> When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>>>
>>> Do the math any way you choose.
>>
>>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to
>>tell
>>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there
>>are
>>Democratic politicians.
>
> Why should I try to reason you from a position you did not came to
> by logic?
Well, that depends on whether or not you consider over 50 years of person
> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>
>>> When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>>>
>>> Do the math any way you choose.
>>
>>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to
>>tell
>>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there
>>are
>>Democratic politicians.
>
> Why should I try to reason you from a position you did not came to
> by logic?
experience illogical.
>
> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or not. And
it's the Republicans doing it.
>>
>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>dishonest than others.
>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>
>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>is
>>checked off before you can vote.
>
> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>
> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
one?
Gunner Asch
Aug 6, 2012, 4:08:43 PM8/6/12
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:03:45 -0500, emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com>
wrote:
>
> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>many members of the same family controlling
>city hall and the council.
>
You will love these...
http://gawker.com/5644817/bell-california-americas-most-corrupt-town
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/california-payroll-corruption-scandal-spreads-city-vernon/story?id=11597835#.UCAhMoc0Wnw
http://www.topix.com/city/cudahy-ca/2012/08/ex-calif-mayor-councilman-plead-guilty-to-bribery
http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_20986949/our-view-corruption-hits-california-cities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Gate,_California#Scandal_and_corruption
http://www.bettergov.org/getting_charged_up_in_maywood/
http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/archives/38723
All individual cities..no duplicates
All within 20 miles of each other
All with largely latinio populations, and officials.......
wrote:
>
> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>many members of the same family controlling
>city hall and the council.
>
http://gawker.com/5644817/bell-california-americas-most-corrupt-town
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/california-payroll-corruption-scandal-spreads-city-vernon/story?id=11597835#.UCAhMoc0Wnw
http://www.topix.com/city/cudahy-ca/2012/08/ex-calif-mayor-councilman-plead-guilty-to-bribery
http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_20986949/our-view-corruption-hits-california-cities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Gate,_California#Scandal_and_corruption
http://www.bettergov.org/getting_charged_up_in_maywood/
http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/archives/38723
All individual cities..no duplicates
All within 20 miles of each other
All with largely latinio populations, and officials.......
emoneyjoe
Aug 6, 2012, 5:46:05 PM8/6/12
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the empty cans as scrap.
I have to show a picture ID to get the money,
I suppose to prove I bought the cans, and that
I did not steal them.
Gunner Asch
Aug 6, 2012, 6:17:45 PM8/6/12
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:41:11 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>>
the sounds of it..yes..you do. Which means you have 50 yrs of ignorance
to deal with. Sadly.
just wrote.
And your next blovation will be..........?
wrote:
>>
>> Why should I try to reason you from a position you did not came to
>> by logic?
>
>Well, that depends on whether or not you consider over 50 years of person
>experience illogical.
That would depend on if you lived in a Hard Leftwing area or not. From
>> by logic?
>
>Well, that depends on whether or not you consider over 50 years of person
>experience illogical.
the sounds of it..yes..you do. Which means you have 50 yrs of ignorance
to deal with. Sadly.
>
>>
>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>
>Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who didn't
>vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or not. And
>it's the Republicans doing it.
Really? Got cites? Bet you dont..do you? See the above paragraph I
>>
>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>
>Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who didn't
>vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or not. And
>it's the Republicans doing it.
just wrote.
>
>>>
>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>>dishonest than others.
>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>
>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>>is
>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>
>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>
>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>
>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>one?
Yes I did. In California we have to.
>>>
>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>>dishonest than others.
>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>
>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>>is
>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>
>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>
>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>
>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>one?
And your next blovation will be..........?
Gunner Asch
Aug 6, 2012, 6:18:49 PM8/6/12
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:37:38 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>
What..its run by Democrats?
wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Regardless, when Ron Sims made that statement, he was laughed at.
>> Because an accurate count of the votes does not find 8000 more votes
>> than the number of voters participating.
>> And yeah, it is "funny" how every time they fixed an "error" it
>> broke for the Democrat.
>
>Let me guess. County execs are democrats, county voters are sick of the
>mess they've made of things.
>
In a lot of the US..yes indeed.
>>
>> Regardless, when Ron Sims made that statement, he was laughed at.
>> Because an accurate count of the votes does not find 8000 more votes
>> than the number of voters participating.
>> And yeah, it is "funny" how every time they fixed an "error" it
>> broke for the Democrat.
>
>Let me guess. County execs are democrats, county voters are sick of the
>mess they've made of things.
>
Gunner Asch
Aug 6, 2012, 6:33:14 PM8/6/12
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:15:42 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
So you are simply blowing smoke out of your butt?
proof? Given you are a hard leftwing Democrat..
"Opinions are like assholes..everybody has one and they all tend to
stink"
From your own citation (though your cite is leftwing partisan politics
of the worst sort)
"Hans von Spakovsky, who served two years as a member of the Federal
Election Commission and now works as a legal fellow at the Heritage
Foundation, tells me that "there is a long history of voter fraud in
this country that has been documented and could make the difference in a
close election. Voting is a very precious right, and we should make sure
we protect that right."
Ive already presented numberous citations of CONVICTIONS of leftwingers
who committed voter fraud. Hundreds of convictions.
Yet..you ignore those. Why would that be? Because you "Feel" you are
right? Demos tend to feel all sorts of fantastic things. But then..the
mentally ill always do.
>
>>
>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>>is
>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>
>> Ah..no. No you dont. And thats the problem in so many states.
>>
>> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/asking-for-i-d-before-voting-is-racist-but-you-need-a-govt-i-d-to-buy-drain-cleaner/
>
>Yeah, funny how there's no documentation that they don't ask for ID before
>voting. This is just one more example of riduculous laws passed because of
>isolated incidents. It doesn't have jack shit to do with election fraud or
>voter fraud. Why don't you go troll somewhere else, loser?
>
"Isolated incidents". Thats an interesting bit of diversion..and of
course its a lie of the worst sort. Typical of the Leftwinger either
lying..or in utter denial. Which are you?
Want me to post ...again..the long list of multiple..many many thousands
of illegal..fraudulant votes cast by Democrat tools of the DNC?
Or..are you going to stick your fingers in your ears..and dance in a
circle screaming " I cant hear youuuuuu!!" at the top of your lungs?
Hummm??
Leftwingers..mentally ill every one of them.
http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2012/04/04/the_democrats_election_forgery_racket/page/full/
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/06/union-democrat-voter-fraud-explode-in.html
".... Wisconsin voter John Barrett reported that he voted this morning
in the town of Norway. According to him, heavy turnout would be around
300, with low turnout in the 90s. Yet, when he voted early in the
morning (at 10:30), he was already vote number 1,794:"
The facts of the matter Ma'am...is that the Democrats have made voter
fraud a fine art for decades. Unfortunately for your lot...its finally
catching up with you.
And that sucks for you and yours..doesnt it?
>
>What I do have is 58 years of experience listening to politicians of all
>stripes lie their asses off to get votes.
Sounds like you live in a very strict Democrat area, doesnt it?
>What I do have is 58 years of experience listening to politicians of all
>stripes lie their asses off to get votes.
>
>>>
>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>>dishonest than others.
>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>
>> http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
>>
>> http://peoplesworld.org/what-voter-fraud-one-republican-convicted/
>>
>> Care to add your list of fraud convictions to mine?
>
>Try this one.
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/gops-believe-voter-fraud-epidemic-163000131.html
>
>It's probably closer to the truth.
Probably? Probably? So you are using your "opinion" as a level of
>>>
>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>>dishonest than others.
>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>
>> http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
>>
>> http://peoplesworld.org/what-voter-fraud-one-republican-convicted/
>>
>> Care to add your list of fraud convictions to mine?
>
>Try this one.
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/gops-believe-voter-fraud-epidemic-163000131.html
>
>It's probably closer to the truth.
proof? Given you are a hard leftwing Democrat..
"Opinions are like assholes..everybody has one and they all tend to
stink"
From your own citation (though your cite is leftwing partisan politics
of the worst sort)
"Hans von Spakovsky, who served two years as a member of the Federal
Election Commission and now works as a legal fellow at the Heritage
Foundation, tells me that "there is a long history of voter fraud in
this country that has been documented and could make the difference in a
close election. Voting is a very precious right, and we should make sure
we protect that right."
Ive already presented numberous citations of CONVICTIONS of leftwingers
who committed voter fraud. Hundreds of convictions.
Yet..you ignore those. Why would that be? Because you "Feel" you are
right? Demos tend to feel all sorts of fantastic things. But then..the
mentally ill always do.
>
>>
>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>>is
>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>
>> Ah..no. No you dont. And thats the problem in so many states.
>>
>> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/asking-for-i-d-before-voting-is-racist-but-you-need-a-govt-i-d-to-buy-drain-cleaner/
>
>Yeah, funny how there's no documentation that they don't ask for ID before
>voting. This is just one more example of riduculous laws passed because of
>isolated incidents. It doesn't have jack shit to do with election fraud or
>voter fraud. Why don't you go troll somewhere else, loser?
>
course its a lie of the worst sort. Typical of the Leftwinger either
lying..or in utter denial. Which are you?
Want me to post ...again..the long list of multiple..many many thousands
of illegal..fraudulant votes cast by Democrat tools of the DNC?
Or..are you going to stick your fingers in your ears..and dance in a
circle screaming " I cant hear youuuuuu!!" at the top of your lungs?
Hummm??
Leftwingers..mentally ill every one of them.
http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/
http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2012/04/04/the_democrats_election_forgery_racket/page/full/
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/06/union-democrat-voter-fraud-explode-in.html
".... Wisconsin voter John Barrett reported that he voted this morning
in the town of Norway. According to him, heavy turnout would be around
300, with low turnout in the 90s. Yet, when he voted early in the
morning (at 10:30), he was already vote number 1,794:"
The facts of the matter Ma'am...is that the Democrats have made voter
fraud a fine art for decades. Unfortunately for your lot...its finally
catching up with you.
And that sucks for you and yours..doesnt it?
Gunner Asch
Aug 6, 2012, 6:35:53 PM8/6/12
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:32:11 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>>>>
stupid?
Leftwingers...mentally ill the lot of them.
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And folks wonder why some of us don't really consider any close
>>>> race "legitimate". Or some not so close ones.
>>>>
>>>> This was declared to be a standard of accuracy a bank would be
>>>> pleased to have. I want to bank at that bank.
>>>
>>>No. You don't. Believe me. Banks would *not* be making "mistakes" in
>>>your
>>>favor.
>>
>> Reading comprehension issues already on your part? Perhaps you should
>> read the above again..and again until it sinks in to your skull.
>
>And what part of "I want to bank at that bank" did you not understand?
Its obvious you didnt understand "This was declared to be a
>>>> race "legitimate". Or some not so close ones.
>>>>
>>>> This was declared to be a standard of accuracy a bank would be
>>>> pleased to have. I want to bank at that bank.
>>>
>>>No. You don't. Believe me. Banks would *not* be making "mistakes" in
>>>your
>>>favor.
>>
>> Reading comprehension issues already on your part? Perhaps you should
>> read the above again..and again until it sinks in to your skull.
>
>And what part of "I want to bank at that bank" did you not understand?
standard of accuracy a bank would be pleased to have."
Is this a momentary thinking fault..or are you actually this blind AND
stupid?
Leftwingers...mentally ill the lot of them.
Gunner Asch
Aug 6, 2012, 6:36:48 PM8/6/12
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:08:43 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:03:45 -0500, emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>many members of the same family controlling
>>city hall and the council.
>>
>You will love these...
>
>http://gawker.com/5644817/bell-california-americas-most-corrupt-town
>
>http://abcnews.go.com/WN/california-payroll-corruption-scandal-spreads-city-vernon/story?id=11597835#.UCAhMoc0Wnw
>
>http://www.topix.com/city/cudahy-ca/2012/08/ex-calif-mayor-councilman-plead-guilty-to-bribery
>
>http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_20986949/our-view-corruption-hits-california-cities
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Gate,_California#Scandal_and_corruption
>
>http://www.bettergov.org/getting_charged_up_in_maywood/
>
>http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/archives/38723
>
>
>All individual cities..no duplicates
>
>All within 20 miles of each other
>
>All with largely latinio populations, and officials.......
>
>
>Gunner
Oh..and for the Dragon Lady..the arrested ones..tend to be Democrats as
well.
wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:03:45 -0500, emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>many members of the same family controlling
>>city hall and the council.
>>
>You will love these...
>
>http://gawker.com/5644817/bell-california-americas-most-corrupt-town
>
>http://abcnews.go.com/WN/california-payroll-corruption-scandal-spreads-city-vernon/story?id=11597835#.UCAhMoc0Wnw
>
>http://www.topix.com/city/cudahy-ca/2012/08/ex-calif-mayor-councilman-plead-guilty-to-bribery
>
>http://www.sgvtribune.com/opinions/ci_20986949/our-view-corruption-hits-california-cities
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Gate,_California#Scandal_and_corruption
>
>http://www.bettergov.org/getting_charged_up_in_maywood/
>
>http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/archives/38723
>
>
>All individual cities..no duplicates
>
>All within 20 miles of each other
>
>All with largely latinio populations, and officials.......
>
>
>Gunner
well.
emoneyjoe
Aug 6, 2012, 7:26:17 PM8/6/12
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:24:41 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
That is a poor outlook to have.
>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>>dishonest than others.
>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>
>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>
>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be some
>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might even
>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>doubts that any of them get elected.
So vote 'em all out.
>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>
>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped themselves.
>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>difference what political group they belong to - they're still criminals.
The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>>is
>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>
>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>
>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>> different ways they could have connected the
>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>
>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given to
>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>specific person voted.
Why else would the ballots be numbered?
>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>> many members of the same family controlling
>> city hall and the council.
>
>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population than
>voter fraud.
Like laws?
>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>>dishonest than others.
>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>
>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>
>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be some
>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might even
>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>doubts that any of them get elected.
>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>
>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped themselves.
>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>difference what political group they belong to - they're still criminals.
>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>>is
>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>
>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>
>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>> different ways they could have connected the
>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>
>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given to
>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>specific person voted.
>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>> many members of the same family controlling
>> city hall and the council.
>
>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population than
>voter fraud.
emoneyjoe
Aug 6, 2012, 7:36:14 PM8/6/12
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:41:11 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:0quv18drvs9oqrdaq...@4ax.com...
>> "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:03:00 -0600
>> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>>> When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>>>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Do the math any way you choose.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to
>>>tell
>>>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there
>>>are
>>>Democratic politicians.
>>
>> Why should I try to reason you from a position you did not came to
>> by logic?
>
>Well, that depends on whether or not you consider over 50 years of person
>experience illogical.
Still wet behind the ears.
>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>
>Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who didn't
>vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or not. And
>it's the Republicans doing it.
It has always been the practice for people
to reregister if they missed some number of
elections, possibly one if the rolls seem messed.
Your description "purging the rolls" is not
correct, there may be times when everybody
has to reregister every election.
>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>>dishonest than others.
>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>
>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>>is
>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>
>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>
>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>
>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>one?
They should go to thumbprint or some
simple no-cost positive means of identification.
Dead people don't have thumbprints.
wrote:
>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:0quv18drvs9oqrdaq...@4ax.com...
>> "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:03:00 -0600
>> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>>> When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet the
>>>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Do the math any way you choose.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to
>>>tell
>>>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there
>>>are
>>>Democratic politicians.
>>
>> Why should I try to reason you from a position you did not came to
>> by logic?
>
>Well, that depends on whether or not you consider over 50 years of person
>experience illogical.
>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>
>Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who didn't
>vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or not. And
>it's the Republicans doing it.
to reregister if they missed some number of
elections, possibly one if the rolls seem messed.
Your description "purging the rolls" is not
correct, there may be times when everybody
has to reregister every election.
>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just more
>>>dishonest than others.
>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>
>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your name
>>>is
>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>
>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>
>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>
>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>one?
simple no-cost positive means of identification.
Dead people don't have thumbprints.
SaPeIsMa
Aug 6, 2012, 9:36:46 PM8/6/12
to
working hard to keep the blacks disenfranchised of off the voting rolls by
any means possible
These are also the SAME "Democrats" who were trying to get the military
serving their country disenfranchised in a couple of districts where they
expected to lose.
> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>
Like going to the Bank and getting money from the teller
Going to a doctor as a new patient
etc
The whole whine about voter ID being about disenfranchising people is
nothing but another lie from the left
SaPeIsMa
Aug 6, 2012, 9:42:12 PM8/6/12
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news:jvp6k9$3ov$1...@dont-email.me...
50 times ?
And if you are unable to derive any lessons from those years of experience,
because you never learned to actually think logically about that experience,
then those 50 years are pretty much meaningless.
>>
>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>
> Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who
> didn't vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or
> not. And it's the Republicans doing it.
>
Good
That means if those people don't care about voting, they should make the
effort to INSURE that they are on the voting rolls
Where I came from, the previous voting rolls were ONLY used to get a general
idea of who was where, the government people had to go around to every
residence to confirm who lived where to make a new election roll
Then the rolls were posted on the street corners and YOU were supposed to go
verify that you were ON the rolls and correct any mistakes BEFORE the
election
IF you couldn't be bothered to do that before election day, then TOO BAD,
you did NOT get to vote.
>
> "pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:0quv18drvs9oqrdaq...@4ax.com...
>> "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:03:00 -0600
>> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>>> When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet
>>>> the
>>>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive
>>>> fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Do the math any way you choose.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to
>>>tell
>>>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there
>>>are
>>>Democratic politicians.
>>
>> Why should I try to reason you from a position you did not came to
>> by logic?
>
> Well, that depends on whether or not you consider over 50 years of person
> experience illogical.
>
IS that actual 50 years of different experience or just ONE year repeated
> "pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:0quv18drvs9oqrdaq...@4ax.com...
>> "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:03:00 -0600
>> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>>> When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet
>>>> the
>>>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive
>>>> fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Do the math any way you choose.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to
>>>tell
>>>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there
>>>are
>>>Democratic politicians.
>>
>> Why should I try to reason you from a position you did not came to
>> by logic?
>
> Well, that depends on whether or not you consider over 50 years of person
> experience illogical.
>
50 times ?
And if you are unable to derive any lessons from those years of experience,
because you never learned to actually think logically about that experience,
then those 50 years are pretty much meaningless.
>>
>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>
> Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who
> didn't vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or
> not. And it's the Republicans doing it.
>
That means if those people don't care about voting, they should make the
effort to INSURE that they are on the voting rolls
Where I came from, the previous voting rolls were ONLY used to get a general
idea of who was where, the government people had to go around to every
residence to confirm who lived where to make a new election roll
Then the rolls were posted on the street corners and YOU were supposed to go
verify that you were ON the rolls and correct any mistakes BEFORE the
election
IF you couldn't be bothered to do that before election day, then TOO BAD,
you did NOT get to vote.
pyotr filipivich
Aug 7, 2012, 12:21:55 AM8/7/12
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"Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:37:38 -0600
Ayup. The spectrum runs from Democrats on the left, to
"Progressvies" on the Far Left.
Washington's voters are in King County.
Stupid is, as stupid does. Sigh.
--
"Progressvies" on the Far Left.
>
>>
>> Regardless, when Ron Sims made that statement, he was laughed at.
>> Because an accurate count of the votes does not find 8000 more votes
>> than the number of voters participating.
>> And yeah, it is "funny" how every time they fixed an "error" it
>> broke for the Democrat.
>
>Let me guess. County execs are democrats, county voters are sick of the
>mess they've made of things.
Not enough of them. Seattle is the core of the county, and 1/3 of
>>
>> Regardless, when Ron Sims made that statement, he was laughed at.
>> Because an accurate count of the votes does not find 8000 more votes
>> than the number of voters participating.
>> And yeah, it is "funny" how every time they fixed an "error" it
>> broke for the Democrat.
>
>Let me guess. County execs are democrats, county voters are sick of the
>mess they've made of things.
Washington's voters are in King County.
Stupid is, as stupid does. Sigh.
--
pyotr filipivich
Aug 7, 2012, 12:21:55 AM8/7/12
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"Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:41:11 -0600
no, don't have to show ID to vote or even register. They never have
to see me at all. Or my cat, dog, pet fruit bat (all named "Eric") and
Sam the Sasquatch.
Distributed state wide vote fraud by mail - it's been a fact of
life in The People's Soviet of Washington since 2011, earlier in the
"big" Progressive counties.
All of which gets justified as being only "fair" since the
Democrats believe George Bush stole the election in 2000. Apparently,
two wrongs do make a right, for Democrats.
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>
>
>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>
>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>
>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>one?
Don't have to. We're a Progressive State. All done by mail. So,
>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>
>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>
>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>one?
no, don't have to show ID to vote or even register. They never have
to see me at all. Or my cat, dog, pet fruit bat (all named "Eric") and
Sam the Sasquatch.
Distributed state wide vote fraud by mail - it's been a fact of
life in The People's Soviet of Washington since 2011, earlier in the
"big" Progressive counties.
All of which gets justified as being only "fair" since the
Democrats believe George Bush stole the election in 2000. Apparently,
two wrongs do make a right, for Democrats.
SaPeIsMa
Aug 7, 2012, 11:47:07 AM8/7/12
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"recyclables" in their shopping carts ?
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:29:41 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>>
\
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>>
> I drink a lot of diet cola in cans, and sell
> the empty cans as scrap.
>
> I have to show a picture ID to get the money,
> I suppose to prove I bought the cans, and that
> I did not steal them.
>
>
SO how do the homeless guys get their IDs to show when they bring in their
> the empty cans as scrap.
>
> I have to show a picture ID to get the money,
> I suppose to prove I bought the cans, and that
> I did not steal them.
>
>
"recyclables" in their shopping carts ?
Gunner Asch
Aug 7, 2012, 2:37:19 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 10:47:07 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <Sape...@gmail.com>
wrote:
In California, they simply go to the DMV and for $5 (or free depending
on the case)..they get photo ID
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/fees/idCard_fees.htm
Whoops..its gone up to a whole $7 since I reviewed it last!! Damned
Leftwingers, trying to steal the money of the homeless!!!
wrote:
on the case)..they get photo ID
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/fees/idCard_fees.htm
Whoops..its gone up to a whole $7 since I reviewed it last!! Damned
Leftwingers, trying to steal the money of the homeless!!!
rochrist
Aug 7, 2012, 3:14:27 PM8/7/12
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Fuck you and your boyfriend.
"SaPeIsMa" wrote in message news:jv66lr$t5$1...@dont-email.me...
news:bihc18p85l2avqr3b...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:11:43 -0700 (PDT), tomcervo <tomc...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> Oh lookie! Another Leftwing bottom dweller pokes up his widdle pointed
> head and looks around in confusion.
>
> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> Anyone want to take the shot? This is an easy one.
>
Why bother ?
It's not worth the cost of a bullet.
"SaPeIsMa" wrote in message news:jv66lr$t5$1...@dont-email.me...
news:bihc18p85l2avqr3b...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:11:43 -0700 (PDT), tomcervo <tomc...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 29, 7:43 pm, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's generally knwon that the dead vote Democrat;
>>
>>
>>And the brain-dead vote Republican.
>>On Jul 29, 7:43 pm, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's generally knwon that the dead vote Democrat;
>>
>>
>
> Oh lookie! Another Leftwing bottom dweller pokes up his widdle pointed
> head and looks around in confusion.
>
> Laugh laugh laugh
>
> Anyone want to take the shot? This is an easy one.
>
Why bother ?
It's not worth the cost of a bullet.
emoneyjoe
Aug 7, 2012, 5:28:05 PM8/7/12
to
some places have a camera hooked up to the
computer, and some take a thumb print.
I suppose if it is just cans a homeless guy
has, near where they stay, the scrap guy can
let it pass.
Dragon Lady
Aug 8, 2012, 1:18:12 AM8/8/12
to
keep a record for the government for tax purposes. Documentation keeps them
from having their expenses disallowed if they get audited. Some of the
people they buy cans from are picking them up off the roadsides out of
desperation, and showing ID is not going to prove you bought the cans
anyway.
Dragon Lady
Aug 8, 2012, 1:27:06 AM8/8/12
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all a pack of liars, and remember that one politician doesn't have the power
alone to do what he promises he's going to do, you start looking at the
whole picture, and not the individual.
>
>
>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>more
>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>
>>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>>
>>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be
>>some
>>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might
>>even
>>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>>doubts that any of them get elected.
>
> So vote 'em all out.
I haven't voted for an incumbent in years. However, I'm just one person,
and a lot of people will take the devil they know over the one they don't.
>
>
>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>
>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped themselves.
>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still criminals.
>
> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
Oh, hell. Are you under the impression I'm a liberal? Because I'm not. I
know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing it.
>
>
>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>name
>>>>is
>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>
>>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>>
>>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>>> different ways they could have connected the
>>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>>
>>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given to
>>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>>specific person voted.
>
> Why else would the ballots be numbered?
So they can have a total number of votes cast. I agree, however, that it
makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
>
>
>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>> city hall and the council.
>>
>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population than
>>voter fraud.
>
> Like laws?
Like fear. These kinds of situations lend themselves to financial control,
social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to face, or
are too cowardly to face.
> On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:24:41 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>>>>> When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet
>>>>> the
>>>>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>>>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive
>>>>> fraud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do the math any way you choose.
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to
>>>>tell
>>>>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there
>>>>are
>>>>Democratic politicians.
>>>
>>> I think the record is pretty clear, at least
>>> in _some_ areas, democrat activity has been
>>> considerable.
>>>
>>Of course it has. They're all a bunch of power hungry crooks. That's my
>>definition of "politician".
>
> That is a poor outlook to have.
That is a realistic outlook to have. If you realize politicians are almost
> wrote:
>>>>> When one has say...10,000 voting age residents in ones district..yet
>>>>> the
>>>>> district receives 15,000 votes...and its the Democrat that wins...it
>>>>> doesnt take much brain power to figure out that there was massive
>>>>> fraud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do the math any way you choose.
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, the same is true when the Republican wins. Don't try to
>>>>tell
>>>>me there aren't just as many dishonest Republican politicians are there
>>>>are
>>>>Democratic politicians.
>>>
>>> I think the record is pretty clear, at least
>>> in _some_ areas, democrat activity has been
>>> considerable.
>>>
>>Of course it has. They're all a bunch of power hungry crooks. That's my
>>definition of "politician".
>
> That is a poor outlook to have.
all a pack of liars, and remember that one politician doesn't have the power
alone to do what he promises he's going to do, you start looking at the
whole picture, and not the individual.
>
>
>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>more
>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>
>>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>>
>>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be
>>some
>>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might
>>even
>>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>>doubts that any of them get elected.
>
> So vote 'em all out.
and a lot of people will take the devil they know over the one they don't.
>
>
>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>
>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped themselves.
>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still criminals.
>
> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing it.
>
>
>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>name
>>>>is
>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>
>>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>>
>>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>>> different ways they could have connected the
>>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>>
>>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given to
>>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>>specific person voted.
>
> Why else would the ballots be numbered?
makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
>
>
>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>> city hall and the council.
>>
>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population than
>>voter fraud.
>
> Like laws?
social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to face, or
are too cowardly to face.
Dragon Lady
Aug 8, 2012, 1:29:16 AM8/8/12
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Ok, I'm curious as to where you live, because I've lived in three states,
and I've *never* had to reregister, until now, even when I missed an
and I've *never* had to reregister, until now, even when I missed an
election.
>
>
>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>more
>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>>
>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>name
>>>>is
>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>
>>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>>
>>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>>
>>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>>one?
>
> They should go to thumbprint or some
> simple no-cost positive means of identification.
>
> Dead people don't have thumbprints.
While that's a good idea, it doesn't answer the question.
>
>
>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>more
>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>>
>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>name
>>>>is
>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>
>>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>>
>>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>>
>>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>>one?
>
> They should go to thumbprint or some
> simple no-cost positive means of identification.
>
> Dead people don't have thumbprints.
Dragon Lady
Aug 8, 2012, 1:39:30 AM8/8/12
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"SaPeIsMa" <Sape...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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quit answering my posts, because this will be the last response you get.
>
>>>
>>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>>
>> Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who
>> didn't vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or
>> not. And it's the Republicans doing it.
>>
>
> Good
> That means if those people don't care about voting, they should make the
> effort to INSURE that they are on the voting rolls
got on the rolls in the first place????
>
> Where I came from, the previous voting rolls were ONLY used to get a
> general idea of who was where, the government people had to go around to
> every residence to confirm who lived where to make a new election roll
> Then the rolls were posted on the street corners and YOU were supposed to
> go verify that you were ON the rolls and correct any mistakes BEFORE the
> election
> IF you couldn't be bothered to do that before election day, then TOO BAD,
> you did NOT get to vote.
registered to vote when you get your driver's license. Since my driver's
license is good for 5 years, unless I change addresses, I don't get asked
again for 5 years unless my address changes and I'm required to go in the
change it on the license. That's not the only way to register, of course,
but I suspect it's why they have so many people on the rolls who don't vote
in every election - people are too embarrassed to admit they don't care
about voting.
>
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>more
>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>>
>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>name is
>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>
>>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>>
>>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>>
>> This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the
>> last one?
afraid to answer this question?
Dragon Lady
Aug 8, 2012, 1:42:42 AM8/8/12
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And people wonder why I'm cynical about both parties.
The pollsters keep calling me and I keep telling them I'm undecided. :P
Actually, I'm leaning toward a protest vote - voting for one of the parties
that I know aren't going to have enough votes to win because I can't bear to
vote for either of the major candidates.
> "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net> on Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:41:11 -0600
> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>
>>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>>
>>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>>
>>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>>one?
>
> Don't have to. We're a Progressive State. All done by mail. So,
> no, don't have to show ID to vote or even register. They never have
> to see me at all. Or my cat, dog, pet fruit bat (all named "Eric") and
> Sam the Sasquatch.
> Distributed state wide vote fraud by mail - it's been a fact of
> life in The People's Soviet of Washington since 2011, earlier in the
> "big" Progressive counties.
>
> All of which gets justified as being only "fair" since the
> Democrats believe George Bush stole the election in 2000. Apparently,
> two wrongs do make a right, for Democrats.
Why am I not surprised?
> typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>
>>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>>
>>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>>
>>This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the last
>>one?
>
> Don't have to. We're a Progressive State. All done by mail. So,
> no, don't have to show ID to vote or even register. They never have
> to see me at all. Or my cat, dog, pet fruit bat (all named "Eric") and
> Sam the Sasquatch.
> Distributed state wide vote fraud by mail - it's been a fact of
> life in The People's Soviet of Washington since 2011, earlier in the
> "big" Progressive counties.
>
> All of which gets justified as being only "fair" since the
> Democrats believe George Bush stole the election in 2000. Apparently,
> two wrongs do make a right, for Democrats.
And people wonder why I'm cynical about both parties.
The pollsters keep calling me and I keep telling them I'm undecided. :P
Actually, I'm leaning toward a protest vote - voting for one of the parties
that I know aren't going to have enough votes to win because I can't bear to
vote for either of the major candidates.
pyotr filipivich
Aug 8, 2012, 2:04:42 AM8/8/12
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SaPeIsMa
Aug 8, 2012, 2:05:36 AM8/8/12
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news:er1328l63hh1oh5o1...@4ax.com...
Meanwhile in Obama's home state, you need ID to buy Drano, while you don't
need one to vote
Apparently buying Drano is far more serious tan voting.
<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/asking-for-i-d-before-voting-is-racist-but-you-need-a-govt-i-d-to-buy-drain-cleaner/>
need one to vote
Apparently buying Drano is far more serious tan voting.
<http://www.theblaze.com/stories/asking-for-i-d-before-voting-is-racist-but-you-need-a-govt-i-d-to-buy-drain-cleaner/>
Gunner Asch
Aug 8, 2012, 2:21:28 AM8/8/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:42:42 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>
Go right ahead. Say..the American Green Party could use your vote. Or
perhaps the American Communist Party?
wrote:
>
perhaps the American Communist Party?
emoneyjoe
Aug 8, 2012, 9:32:00 AM8/8/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:18:12 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Clueless remarks made ignoring the current
ongoing effort to reduce scrap metal theft because
of high metal prices and a horrible economy.
I was joking about cans being stolen, there
is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
things that are worth about 2 cents each.
wrote:
ongoing effort to reduce scrap metal theft because
of high metal prices and a horrible economy.
I was joking about cans being stolen, there
is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
things that are worth about 2 cents each.
emoneyjoe
Aug 8, 2012, 9:47:56 AM8/8/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:27:06 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
It is a poor outlook because it has an effect on you.
>>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>>more
>>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>>
>>>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>>>
>>>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be
>>>some
>>>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might
>>>even
>>>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>>>doubts that any of them get elected.
>>
>> So vote 'em all out.
>
>I haven't voted for an incumbent in years. However, I'm just one person,
>and a lot of people will take the devil they know over the one they don't.
Well yeah, that is why they vote, but that has no
bearing at all on the character of candidates.
>>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>>
>>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped themselves.
>>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still criminals.
>>
>> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
>
>Oh, hell. Are you under the impression I'm a liberal? Because I'm not.
Part of the liberal trait is grouping individuals,
and allowing gossip to shape opinions and decisions.
>I
>know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
>there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
>fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing it.
You haven't read the posts here?
>>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>>name
>>>>>is
>>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>>
>>>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>>>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>>>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>>>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>>>
>>>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>>>> different ways they could have connected the
>>>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>>>
>>>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given to
>>>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>>>specific person voted.
>>
>> Why else would the ballots be numbered?
>
>So they can have a total number of votes cast.
Your logic is flawed, the numbered sign-in
sheet shows that at a glance.
Maybe some silly way to keep track of the
number of ballots, but even that doesn't make
sense, the printer has a machine that will
bundle them in bales of 100, making them
easy to count.
>I agree, however, that it
>makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
Right, a ballot can easily by marked by using
a brown pen to put a fly speck under the letter in
the first line as the first number of the ballot, and
under the letter in the second line as the second
number of the ballot, etc.
And there many other ways, just check how
cards are marked as sold by gamboling device
houses.
>>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>>> city hall and the council.
>>>
>>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population than
>>>voter fraud.
>>
>> Like laws?
>
>Like fear. These kinds of situations lend themselves to financial control,
>social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to face, or
>are too cowardly to face.
Actually a lot of it just reduces the economy
in the town, where I live there is two gas stations
and a bank branch, that's about it, the store fronts
are being turned into apartments.
>>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>>more
>>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>>
>>>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>>>
>>>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be
>>>some
>>>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might
>>>even
>>>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>>>doubts that any of them get elected.
>>
>> So vote 'em all out.
>
>I haven't voted for an incumbent in years. However, I'm just one person,
>and a lot of people will take the devil they know over the one they don't.
bearing at all on the character of candidates.
>>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>>
>>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped themselves.
>>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still criminals.
>>
>> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
>
>Oh, hell. Are you under the impression I'm a liberal? Because I'm not.
and allowing gossip to shape opinions and decisions.
>I
>know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
>there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
>fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing it.
>>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000 voters
>>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>>name
>>>>>is
>>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>>
>>>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>>>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>>>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>>>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>>>
>>>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>>>> different ways they could have connected the
>>>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>>>
>>>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given to
>>>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>>>specific person voted.
>>
>> Why else would the ballots be numbered?
>
>So they can have a total number of votes cast.
sheet shows that at a glance.
Maybe some silly way to keep track of the
number of ballots, but even that doesn't make
sense, the printer has a machine that will
bundle them in bales of 100, making them
easy to count.
>I agree, however, that it
>makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
a brown pen to put a fly speck under the letter in
the first line as the first number of the ballot, and
under the letter in the second line as the second
number of the ballot, etc.
And there many other ways, just check how
cards are marked as sold by gamboling device
houses.
>>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>>> city hall and the council.
>>>
>>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population than
>>>voter fraud.
>>
>> Like laws?
>
>Like fear. These kinds of situations lend themselves to financial control,
>social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to face, or
>are too cowardly to face.
in the town, where I live there is two gas stations
and a bank branch, that's about it, the store fronts
are being turned into apartments.
emoneyjoe
Aug 8, 2012, 9:55:18 AM8/8/12
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Well yes, meth labs do start a lot of fires,
and kill a lot of people.
and kill a lot of people.
pyotr filipivich
Aug 8, 2012, 12:58:51 PM8/8/12
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about Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:21:28 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
Green Party. Get enough votes, they become a "real" party, and
automatically on the ballot.
Then Progressives will have a choice - between a party on their
right, and a party which is lightly center-left of them.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
about Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:21:28 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
automatically on the ballot.
Then Progressives will have a choice - between a party on their
right, and a party which is lightly center-left of them.
--
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Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
SaPeIsMa
Aug 8, 2012, 3:25:59 PM8/8/12
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I did give you a break
I pointed out how pompous it is to claim some kind of moral authority or
expertise purely from age
>>
>>>>
>>>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>>>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>>>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>>>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>>>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>>>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>>>
>>> Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who
>>> didn't vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or
>>> not. And it's the Republicans doing it.
>>>
>>
>> Good
>> That means if those people don't care about voting, they should make the
>> effort to INSURE that they are on the voting rolls
>
> Um...I think you mean if they *do* care about voting. How do you think
> they got on the rolls in the first place????
>
In many cases people were put on the roles by zealous Acorn workers who
signed the forms for them without ever talking to them
Then there were also a whole bunch of fictional people put on the rolls the
same way.
You can Google "acorn voter fraud" to get a slew of such incidents in recent
elections
>
>>
>> Where I came from, the previous voting rolls were ONLY used to get a
>> general idea of who was where, the government people had to go around to
>> every residence to confirm who lived where to make a new election roll
>> Then the rolls were posted on the street corners and YOU were supposed to
>> go verify that you were ON the rolls and correct any mistakes BEFORE the
>> election
>> IF you couldn't be bothered to do that before election day, then TOO BAD,
>> you did NOT get to vote.
>
> What country to you live in? Where I live, you are asked if you want to
> be registered to vote when you get your driver's license. Since my
> driver's license is good for 5 years, unless I change addresses, I don't
> get asked again for 5 years unless my address changes and I'm required to
> go in the change it on the license. That's not the only way to register,
> of course, but I suspect it's why they have so many people on the rolls
> who don't vote in every election - people are too embarrassed to admit
> they don't care about voting.
>
1) NOTICE the first words of my paragraph
"Where I >>came<< from.."
2) I know how it's done in the US
And there are a slew of ways to get around the process if you wish
to commit voter fraud
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>>more
>>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000
>>>>>voters
>>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>>name is
>>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>>
>>>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>>>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>>>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>>>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>>>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>>>
>>> This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the
>>> last one?
>
> Why are the people who are insisting they don't have to show ID to vote
> afraid to answer this question?
>
For one thing, it's none of your or anyone's business
For another, it's really quite irrelevant to the issue
I pointed out how pompous it is to claim some kind of moral authority or
expertise purely from age
>>
>>>>
>>>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>>>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>>>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>>>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>>>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>>>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>>>
>>> Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who
>>> didn't vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead or
>>> not. And it's the Republicans doing it.
>>>
>>
>> Good
>> That means if those people don't care about voting, they should make the
>> effort to INSURE that they are on the voting rolls
>
> Um...I think you mean if they *do* care about voting. How do you think
> they got on the rolls in the first place????
>
signed the forms for them without ever talking to them
Then there were also a whole bunch of fictional people put on the rolls the
same way.
You can Google "acorn voter fraud" to get a slew of such incidents in recent
elections
>
>>
>> Where I came from, the previous voting rolls were ONLY used to get a
>> general idea of who was where, the government people had to go around to
>> every residence to confirm who lived where to make a new election roll
>> Then the rolls were posted on the street corners and YOU were supposed to
>> go verify that you were ON the rolls and correct any mistakes BEFORE the
>> election
>> IF you couldn't be bothered to do that before election day, then TOO BAD,
>> you did NOT get to vote.
>
> What country to you live in? Where I live, you are asked if you want to
> be registered to vote when you get your driver's license. Since my
> driver's license is good for 5 years, unless I change addresses, I don't
> get asked again for 5 years unless my address changes and I'm required to
> go in the change it on the license. That's not the only way to register,
> of course, but I suspect it's why they have so many people on the rolls
> who don't vote in every election - people are too embarrassed to admit
> they don't care about voting.
>
"Where I >>came<< from.."
2) I know how it's done in the US
And there are a slew of ways to get around the process if you wish
to commit voter fraud
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>>more
>>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000
>>>>>voters
>>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>>name is
>>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>>
>>>> Show ID? You have to show ID to vote? Don't you know that
>>>> insisting that voters show ID is racist bigotry? SO says our beloved'
>>>> leader's lapdog Eric Holder - who is suing several states to make sure
>>>> they don't "suppress" the Democrat voters - the deceased, felons, and
>>>> non-resident - while also suing to disenfranchise military voters.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have to show ID to vote, just to get a job.
>>>
>>> This election hasn't taken place yet. Did you show ID to vote in the
>>> last one?
>
> Why are the people who are insisting they don't have to show ID to vote
> afraid to answer this question?
>
For another, it's really quite irrelevant to the issue
Dragon Lady
Aug 9, 2012, 8:02:23 PM8/9/12
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Why? Who's running for the Green Party?
Dragon Lady
Aug 9, 2012, 8:06:34 PM8/9/12
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Have you actually read that article? Because it doesn't say anything about
not needing ID to vote. In fact, the only place voting is even mentioned is
in the headline, which is a quote from some government idiot who opened his
mouth and inserted his foot.
not needing ID to vote. In fact, the only place voting is even mentioned is
in the headline, which is a quote from some government idiot who opened his
mouth and inserted his foot.
Dragon Lady
Aug 9, 2012, 8:07:35 PM8/9/12
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*snort* Even in a protest vote, I wouldn't vote for the Communist Party. I
know a little too much about what they stand for.
know a little too much about what they stand for.
Dragon Lady
Aug 9, 2012, 8:09:55 PM8/9/12
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they might be asking for ID because of the current rage for stealing brass
and scrap metal, ect. But that doesn't apply to soda cans, and we both know
it.
> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
Duh.
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:18:12 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"emoneyjoe" <emon...@iglou.com> wrote in message
>>news:4ke0289fu56237vs4...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:29:41 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> I drink a lot of diet cola in cans, and sell
>>> the empty cans as scrap.
>>>
>>> I have to show a picture ID to get the money,
>>> I suppose to prove I bought the cans, and that
>>> I did not steal them.
>>
>>No, it's not because they think you stole them. It's because they have to
>>keep a record for the government for tax purposes. Documentation keeps
>>them
>>from having their expenses disallowed if they get audited. Some of the
>>people they buy cans from are picking them up off the roadsides out of
>>desperation, and showing ID is not going to prove you bought the cans
>>anyway.
>
> Clueless remarks made ignoring the current
> ongoing effort to reduce scrap metal theft because
> of high metal prices and a horrible economy.
>
Who is clueless, you or me? Because I happen to be a tax accountant. Yeah,
> wrote:
>
>>"emoneyjoe" <emon...@iglou.com> wrote in message
>>news:4ke0289fu56237vs4...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:29:41 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> I drink a lot of diet cola in cans, and sell
>>> the empty cans as scrap.
>>>
>>> I have to show a picture ID to get the money,
>>> I suppose to prove I bought the cans, and that
>>> I did not steal them.
>>
>>No, it's not because they think you stole them. It's because they have to
>>keep a record for the government for tax purposes. Documentation keeps
>>them
>>from having their expenses disallowed if they get audited. Some of the
>>people they buy cans from are picking them up off the roadsides out of
>>desperation, and showing ID is not going to prove you bought the cans
>>anyway.
>
> Clueless remarks made ignoring the current
> ongoing effort to reduce scrap metal theft because
> of high metal prices and a horrible economy.
>
they might be asking for ID because of the current rage for stealing brass
and scrap metal, ect. But that doesn't apply to soda cans, and we both know
it.
> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
SaPeIsMa
Aug 9, 2012, 8:09:45 PM8/9/12
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An asparagus ?
Dragon Lady
Aug 9, 2012, 8:18:31 PM8/9/12
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Actually, that outlook *is* the effect.
>
>
>>>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>>>more
>>>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be
>>>>>>illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>>>>
>>>>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be
>>>>some
>>>>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might
>>>>even
>>>>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>>>>doubts that any of them get elected.
>>>
>>> So vote 'em all out.
>>
>>I haven't voted for an incumbent in years. However, I'm just one person,
>>and a lot of people will take the devil they know over the one they don't.
>
> Well yeah, that is why they vote, but that has no
> bearing at all on the character of candidates.
Politics itself has an effect on the character of the candidates. If you
ignore that, you're in for some big disappointments.
>
>
>>>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>>>
>>>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>>>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped
>>>>themselves.
>>>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>>>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still
>>>>criminals.
>>>
>>> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
>>
>>Oh, hell. Are you under the impression I'm a liberal? Because I'm not.
>
> Part of the liberal trait is grouping individuals,
> and allowing gossip to shape opinions and decisions.
Give me a break. That's not a liberal trait. It's a human trait. One I
try not to practice in general, but it's pretty hard to ignore the dirty
game called politics during an election year.
>
>
>>I
>>know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
>>there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
>>fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing it.
>
> You haven't read the posts here?
Yeah, I've seen the bullshit posted here in RAST. I have no idea where
you're posting from, but so far, I haven't seen jack shit posted here that
proves what the posters are claiming it proves.
>
>
>>>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000
>>>>>>voters
>>>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>>>name
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>>>>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>>>>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>>>>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>>>>> different ways they could have connected the
>>>>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>>>>
>>>>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given
>>>>to
>>>>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>>>>specific person voted.
>>>
>>> Why else would the ballots be numbered?
>>
>>So they can have a total number of votes cast.
>
> Your logic is flawed, the numbered sign-in
> sheet shows that at a glance.
You have sign-in sheets? We show ID, are checked off the list, and vote.
>
> Maybe some silly way to keep track of the
> number of ballots, but even that doesn't make
> sense, the printer has a machine that will
> bundle them in bales of 100, making them
> easy to count.
Provided the machine is working correctly. :P
>
>
>>I agree, however, that it
>>makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
>
> Right, a ballot can easily by marked by using
> a brown pen to put a fly speck under the letter in
> the first line as the first number of the ballot, and
> under the letter in the second line as the second
> number of the ballot, etc.
> And there many other ways, just check how
> cards are marked as sold by gamboling device
> houses.
I'm not sure that method would work on ballots, unless you lived in a very
small town. There are only 52 cards in a deck, 54 if you count the jokers.
>
>
>>>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>>>> city hall and the council.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population
>>>>than
>>>>voter fraud.
>>>
>>> Like laws?
>>
>>Like fear. These kinds of situations lend themselves to financial
>>control,
>>social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to face,
>>or
>>are too cowardly to face.
>
> Actually a lot of it just reduces the economy
> in the town, where I live there is two gas stations
> and a bank branch, that's about it, the store fronts
> are being turned into apartments.
Sounds like the town is dying.
>
>
>>>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>>>more
>>>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be
>>>>>>illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>>>>
>>>>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be
>>>>some
>>>>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might
>>>>even
>>>>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>>>>doubts that any of them get elected.
>>>
>>> So vote 'em all out.
>>
>>I haven't voted for an incumbent in years. However, I'm just one person,
>>and a lot of people will take the devil they know over the one they don't.
>
> Well yeah, that is why they vote, but that has no
> bearing at all on the character of candidates.
ignore that, you're in for some big disappointments.
>
>
>>>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>>>
>>>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>>>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped
>>>>themselves.
>>>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>>>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still
>>>>criminals.
>>>
>>> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
>>
>>Oh, hell. Are you under the impression I'm a liberal? Because I'm not.
>
> Part of the liberal trait is grouping individuals,
> and allowing gossip to shape opinions and decisions.
try not to practice in general, but it's pretty hard to ignore the dirty
game called politics during an election year.
>
>
>>I
>>know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
>>there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
>>fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing it.
>
> You haven't read the posts here?
you're posting from, but so far, I haven't seen jack shit posted here that
proves what the posters are claiming it proves.
>
>
>>>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000
>>>>>>voters
>>>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>>>name
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>>>>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>>>>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>>>>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>>>>> different ways they could have connected the
>>>>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>>>>
>>>>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given
>>>>to
>>>>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>>>>specific person voted.
>>>
>>> Why else would the ballots be numbered?
>>
>>So they can have a total number of votes cast.
>
> Your logic is flawed, the numbered sign-in
> sheet shows that at a glance.
>
> Maybe some silly way to keep track of the
> number of ballots, but even that doesn't make
> sense, the printer has a machine that will
> bundle them in bales of 100, making them
> easy to count.
>
>
>>I agree, however, that it
>>makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
>
> Right, a ballot can easily by marked by using
> a brown pen to put a fly speck under the letter in
> the first line as the first number of the ballot, and
> under the letter in the second line as the second
> number of the ballot, etc.
> And there many other ways, just check how
> cards are marked as sold by gamboling device
> houses.
small town. There are only 52 cards in a deck, 54 if you count the jokers.
>
>
>>>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>>>> city hall and the council.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population
>>>>than
>>>>voter fraud.
>>>
>>> Like laws?
>>
>>Like fear. These kinds of situations lend themselves to financial
>>control,
>>social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to face,
>>or
>>are too cowardly to face.
>
> Actually a lot of it just reduces the economy
> in the town, where I live there is two gas stations
> and a bank branch, that's about it, the store fronts
> are being turned into apartments.
Dragon Lady
Aug 9, 2012, 8:20:44 PM8/9/12
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Yeah, that was the excuse for making it more difficult to obtain allergy
meds. Since you can't make meth without the ingredient in Claritin D, why
do they need to have ID to buy Draino, too?
meds. Since you can't make meth without the ingredient in Claritin D, why
do they need to have ID to buy Draino, too?
Dragon Lady
Aug 9, 2012, 8:45:38 PM8/9/12
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I didn't say age. I said experience. If you don't understand the
difference, please say so now, and I'll stop wasting my time.
The issue is the repeated statement claiming people don't have to show ID to
vote. Frankly, I don't believe them.
difference, please say so now, and I'll stop wasting my time.
>
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>>>>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>>>>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>>>>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>>>>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>>>>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>>>>
>>>> Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who
>>>> didn't vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead
>>>> or not. And it's the Republicans doing it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good
>>> That means if those people don't care about voting, they should make the
>>> effort to INSURE that they are on the voting rolls
>>
>> Um...I think you mean if they *do* care about voting. How do you think
>> they got on the rolls in the first place????
>>
>
> In many cases people were put on the roles by zealous Acorn workers who
> signed the forms for them without ever talking to them
> Then there were also a whole bunch of fictional people put on the rolls
> the same way.
> You can Google "acorn voter fraud" to get a slew of such incidents in
> recent elections
Oh, Lord, I'd forgetten about that one. They just won't go away, it seems.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it does seem to me, that it is the Democrat politicians
>>>>> who are fighting tooth and nail to keep the voter rolls "un purged" of
>>>>> the ineligible voters: the dead, the departed, those who live out of
>>>>> district, those who have an invalid address (post office boxes,
>>>>> commercial buildings, empty lots, street addresses which do not
>>>>> exist), the non-citizen, the felon.
>>>>
>>>> Around here, they are also trying to purge the rolls - of anyone who
>>>> didn't vote in the last election, regardless of whether they are dead
>>>> or not. And it's the Republicans doing it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good
>>> That means if those people don't care about voting, they should make the
>>> effort to INSURE that they are on the voting rolls
>>
>> Um...I think you mean if they *do* care about voting. How do you think
>> they got on the rolls in the first place????
>>
>
> In many cases people were put on the roles by zealous Acorn workers who
> signed the forms for them without ever talking to them
> Then there were also a whole bunch of fictional people put on the rolls
> the same way.
> You can Google "acorn voter fraud" to get a slew of such incidents in
> recent elections
vote. Frankly, I don't believe them.
SaPeIsMa
Aug 9, 2012, 9:32:02 PM8/9/12
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GO back and read what my response was
Claiming experience is one thing
But it that "experience" is limited, it doesn't much matter how many years
you repeated the same experience
>> In many cases people were put on the roles by zealous Acorn workers who
>> signed the forms for them without ever talking to them
>> Then there were also a whole bunch of fictional people put on the rolls
>> the same way.
>> You can Google "acorn voter fraud" to get a slew of such incidents in
>> recent elections
>
> Oh, Lord, I'd forgetten about that one. They just won't go away, it
> seems.
>
Nah, they have now resurfaced under new names
But it's the same old crowd.
When one considers the ID that is acceptable that in NO WAY verifies
citizenship, there is a problem
No one claimed that ID was required, but in the face of repeated frauds
which have shown that people are holding office who shouldn't be there,
there is an issue that needs to be addressed if for NO OTHER REASON that if
the system is seen as riddled with fraud, people won't bother to vote if
they are of the opinion that the system is rigged/
Claiming experience is one thing
But it that "experience" is limited, it doesn't much matter how many years
you repeated the same experience
>> In many cases people were put on the roles by zealous Acorn workers who
>> signed the forms for them without ever talking to them
>> Then there were also a whole bunch of fictional people put on the rolls
>> the same way.
>> You can Google "acorn voter fraud" to get a slew of such incidents in
>> recent elections
>
> Oh, Lord, I'd forgetten about that one. They just won't go away, it
> seems.
>
But it's the same old crowd.
citizenship, there is a problem
No one claimed that ID was required, but in the face of repeated frauds
which have shown that people are holding office who shouldn't be there,
there is an issue that needs to be addressed if for NO OTHER REASON that if
the system is seen as riddled with fraud, people won't bother to vote if
they are of the opinion that the system is rigged/
Dragon Lady
Aug 9, 2012, 9:36:55 PM8/9/12
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Aren't they all?
emoneyjoe
Aug 10, 2012, 12:58:15 AM8/10/12
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wrote:
"The voter suppression issue was also part of MSNBC’s review of the
40,000 new laws of 2012"
Look again, and please learn to press the return key
to get a blank line before inserting text. :-)
wrote:
40,000 new laws of 2012"
Look again, and please learn to press the return key
to get a blank line before inserting text. :-)
emoneyjoe
Aug 10, 2012, 1:03:43 AM8/10/12
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It must be you who is clueless, there is no
income tax on the money I get from selling the
cans I bought.
Local or state government can pass laws
pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
trivial things as "this law does not apply to
aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>
>Duh.
Do you say that a lot?
income tax on the money I get from selling the
cans I bought.
Local or state government can pass laws
pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
trivial things as "this law does not apply to
aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>
>Duh.
emoneyjoe
Aug 10, 2012, 1:20:20 AM8/10/12
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:18:31 -0600, "Dragon Lady" <sgt...@comcast.net>
There needs to be hope, and some measure of
trust.
>>>>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be
>>>>>>>illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>>>>>
>>>>>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be
>>>>>some
>>>>>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might
>>>>>even
>>>>>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>>>>>doubts that any of them get elected.
>>>>
>>>> So vote 'em all out.
>>>
>>>I haven't voted for an incumbent in years. However, I'm just one person,
>>>and a lot of people will take the devil they know over the one they don't.
>>
>> Well yeah, that is why they vote, but that has no
>> bearing at all on the character of candidates.
>
>Politics itself has an effect on the character of the candidates. If you
>ignore that, you're in for some big disappointments.
I don't expect much, and after the last 3 years,
I expect even less.
>>>>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>>>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>>>>
>>>>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>>>>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped
>>>>>themselves.
>>>>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>>>>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still
>>>>>criminals.
>>>>
>>>> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
>>>
>>>Oh, hell. Are you under the impression I'm a liberal? Because I'm not.
>>
>> Part of the liberal trait is grouping individuals,
>> and allowing gossip to shape opinions and decisions.
>
>Give me a break. That's not a liberal trait. It's a human trait. One I
>try not to practice in general, but it's pretty hard to ignore the dirty
>game called politics during an election year.
The liberals depend on it.
>>>I
>>>know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
>>>there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
>>>fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing it.
>>
>> You haven't read the posts here?
>
>Yeah, I've seen the bullshit posted here in RAST. I have no idea where
>you're posting from, but so far, I haven't seen jack shit posted here that
>proves what the posters are claiming it proves.
You don't know Jack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhETObVI10w
>>>>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000
>>>>>>>voters
>>>>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>>>>name
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>>>>>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>>>>>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>>>>>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>>>>>> different ways they could have connected the
>>>>>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given
>>>>>to
>>>>>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>>>>>specific person voted.
>>>>
>>>> Why else would the ballots be numbered?
>>>
>>>So they can have a total number of votes cast.
>>
>> Your logic is flawed, the numbered sign-in
>> sheet shows that at a glance.
>
>You have sign-in sheets? We show ID, are checked off the list, and vote.
I don't now, I stopped voting.
>> Maybe some silly way to keep track of the
>> number of ballots, but even that doesn't make
>> sense, the printer has a machine that will
>> bundle them in bales of 100, making them
>> easy to count.
>
>Provided the machine is working correctly. :P
They are infallible.
>>>I agree, however, that it
>>>makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
>>
>> Right, a ballot can easily by marked by using
>> a brown pen to put a fly speck under the letter in
>> the first line as the first number of the ballot, and
>> under the letter in the second line as the second
>> number of the ballot, etc.
>> And there many other ways, just check how
>> cards are marked as sold by gamboling device
>> houses.
>
>I'm not sure that method would work on ballots, unless you lived in a very
>small town. There are only 52 cards in a deck, 54 if you count the jokers.
For every line on the ballot, the number
possibly is increased ten times.
>>>>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>>>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>>>>> city hall and the council.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population
>>>>>than
>>>>>voter fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Like laws?
>>>
>>>Like fear. These kinds of situations lend themselves to financial
>>>control,
>>>social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to face,
>>>or
>>>are too cowardly to face.
>>
>> Actually a lot of it just reduces the economy
>> in the town, where I live there is two gas stations
>> and a bank branch, that's about it, the store fronts
>> are being turned into apartments.
>
>Sounds like the town is dying.
Because the clique wants it to be a residential
town, and the clique is boss.
trust.
>>>>>>>They're all politicians, and they're *all* dishonest. Some are just
>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>dishonest than others.
>>>>>>>And some of them are dishonest in ways that are supposed to be
>>>>>>>illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you are sure every single one is dishonest?
>>>>>
>>>>>Generally speaking, I'd say "all" is an exaggeration. There *might* be
>>>>>some
>>>>>who are new at the game who haven't become dishonest yet. There might
>>>>>even
>>>>>be a few who are even idealist enough to be honest. However, I have my
>>>>>doubts that any of them get elected.
>>>>
>>>> So vote 'em all out.
>>>
>>>I haven't voted for an incumbent in years. However, I'm just one person,
>>>and a lot of people will take the devil they know over the one they don't.
>>
>> Well yeah, that is why they vote, but that has no
>> bearing at all on the character of candidates.
>
>Politics itself has an effect on the character of the candidates. If you
>ignore that, you're in for some big disappointments.
I expect even less.
>>>>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>>>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>>>>
>>>>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're crooked.
>>>>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped
>>>>>themselves.
>>>>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick of
>>>>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still
>>>>>criminals.
>>>>
>>>> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
>>>
>>>Oh, hell. Are you under the impression I'm a liberal? Because I'm not.
>>
>> Part of the liberal trait is grouping individuals,
>> and allowing gossip to shape opinions and decisions.
>
>Give me a break. That's not a liberal trait. It's a human trait. One I
>try not to practice in general, but it's pretty hard to ignore the dirty
>game called politics during an election year.
>>>I
>>>know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
>>>there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
>>>fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing it.
>>
>> You haven't read the posts here?
>
>Yeah, I've seen the bullshit posted here in RAST. I have no idea where
>you're posting from, but so far, I haven't seen jack shit posted here that
>proves what the posters are claiming it proves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhETObVI10w
>>>>>>>Also, the subject was dead voters on the rolls. It should actually be
>>>>>>>impossible for 15,000 votes to come in when there are only 10,000
>>>>>>>voters
>>>>>>>registered, since you have to check in and show ID, after which your
>>>>>>>name
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>checked off before you can vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember, in at least one precinct, when I signed
>>>>>> in, the lines were numbered, and the ballots were
>>>>>> numbered on one corner, and that corner was
>>>>>> torn off and given to me separately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was a surprise, because I thought of
>>>>>> different ways they could have connected the
>>>>>> ballot to the numbers on the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>Curious. I would think, though, that that is why the number was given
>>>>>to
>>>>>the voter - so they couldn't connect it to the ballot and tell how any
>>>>>specific person voted.
>>>>
>>>> Why else would the ballots be numbered?
>>>
>>>So they can have a total number of votes cast.
>>
>> Your logic is flawed, the numbered sign-in
>> sheet shows that at a glance.
>
>You have sign-in sheets? We show ID, are checked off the list, and vote.
>> Maybe some silly way to keep track of the
>> number of ballots, but even that doesn't make
>> sense, the printer has a machine that will
>> bundle them in bales of 100, making them
>> easy to count.
>
>Provided the machine is working correctly. :P
>>>I agree, however, that it
>>>makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
>>
>> Right, a ballot can easily by marked by using
>> a brown pen to put a fly speck under the letter in
>> the first line as the first number of the ballot, and
>> under the letter in the second line as the second
>> number of the ballot, etc.
>> And there many other ways, just check how
>> cards are marked as sold by gamboling device
>> houses.
>
>I'm not sure that method would work on ballots, unless you lived in a very
>small town. There are only 52 cards in a deck, 54 if you count the jokers.
possibly is increased ten times.
>>>>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>>>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>>>>> city hall and the council.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population
>>>>>than
>>>>>voter fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Like laws?
>>>
>>>Like fear. These kinds of situations lend themselves to financial
>>>control,
>>>social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to face,
>>>or
>>>are too cowardly to face.
>>
>> Actually a lot of it just reduces the economy
>> in the town, where I live there is two gas stations
>> and a bank branch, that's about it, the store fronts
>> are being turned into apartments.
>
>Sounds like the town is dying.
town, and the clique is boss.
emoneyjoe
Aug 10, 2012, 1:22:47 AM8/10/12
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According to the url, Illinois had a different reason,
I don't know if there is a federal law on purchases of
anything related to explosive meth labs.
I don't know if there is a federal law on purchases of
anything related to explosive meth labs.
Dragon Lady
Aug 10, 2012, 8:57:45 PM8/10/12
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Are you really stupid enough to think we've elected the same people for the
last 50 years?
I think this conversation is over.
last 50 years?
I think this conversation is over.
Dragon Lady
Aug 10, 2012, 9:02:26 PM8/10/12
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Which is NOT the article referenced. In addition, the link leads to a blurb
that says
"Across the US, 40,000 new federal, state and local laws are set to go into
effect, ranging from states *requiring* ID's to vote, minimum wage hikes and
rules for light bulbs. NBC's Pete Williams reports."
That's exactly the *opposite* of the claim.
>
> Look again, and please learn to press the return key
> to get a blank line before inserting text. :-)
Sorry, thought I had.
that says
"Across the US, 40,000 new federal, state and local laws are set to go into
effect, ranging from states *requiring* ID's to vote, minimum wage hikes and
rules for light bulbs. NBC's Pete Williams reports."
That's exactly the *opposite* of the claim.
>
> Look again, and please learn to press the return key
> to get a blank line before inserting text. :-)
Dragon Lady
Aug 10, 2012, 9:10:06 PM8/10/12
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I didn't say there was. Read it again. I said they were documenting their
*expenses* so they wouldn't be disallowed if *they* were audited.
> Local or state government can pass laws
> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
I never said that either. I suggest you read what I actually said and stop
making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting to
remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
thing.
>
>
>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>
>>Duh.
>
> Do you say that a lot?
When people point out the obvious, I do. BTW, it's duh, not Doh.
*expenses* so they wouldn't be disallowed if *they* were audited.
> Local or state government can pass laws
> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting to
remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
thing.
>
>
>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>
>>Duh.
>
> Do you say that a lot?
Dragon Lady
Aug 10, 2012, 9:25:31 PM8/10/12
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I have plenty of hope. It just doesn't have to do with any particular
politician. As for trust, I trust all of them to do their level best to
line their own pockets while doing their best to pass laws that will get
them reelected so they can continue to line their own pockets.
And yes, I'm cynical. If you aren't, more power to you. Politics is a
dirty game, made up of compromise, backstabbing, and lies. I've watched it
for 50 years now, and I'm not impressed.
The only difference I can see between the Republicans and the Democrats is
the direction of their extremism.
*LOL* And you tell me I should have hope! I haven't expected much for the
last 20 years!
My experience with government is that they're always sticking their nose
where it doesn't belong (abortion, marriage of any kind, forcing people to
buy things they can't afford, etc), and every time the government gets
involved and starts legislating *anything* beyond the basics (murder,
assault, etc), the situation inevitably gets worse.
>
>
>>>>>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>>>>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're
>>>>>>crooked.
>>>>>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped
>>>>>>themselves.
>>>>>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still
>>>>>>criminals.
>>>>>
>>>>> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
>>>>
>>>>Oh, hell. Are you under the impression I'm a liberal? Because I'm not.
>>>
>>> Part of the liberal trait is grouping individuals,
>>> and allowing gossip to shape opinions and decisions.
>>
>>Give me a break. That's not a liberal trait. It's a human trait. One I
>>try not to practice in general, but it's pretty hard to ignore the dirty
>>game called politics during an election year.
>
> The liberals depend on it.
They're going to be vastly disappointed in me. I'm not a liberal, I'm just
disenfranchised. I think they're *all* looney tunes.
>
>
>>>>I
>>>>know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
>>>>there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
>>>>fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing
>>>>it.
>>>
>>> You haven't read the posts here?
>>
>>Yeah, I've seen the bullshit posted here in RAST. I have no idea where
>>you're posting from, but so far, I haven't seen jack shit posted here that
>>proves what the posters are claiming it proves.
>
> You don't know Jack.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhETObVI10w
Bwahahahahahahahaha! Thanks for the laugh.
You and enough other people to actually change election results. :(
>
>
>>> Maybe some silly way to keep track of the
>>> number of ballots, but even that doesn't make
>>> sense, the printer has a machine that will
>>> bundle them in bales of 100, making them
>>> easy to count.
>>
>>Provided the machine is working correctly. :P
>
> They are infallible.
No machine is infallible. They all break down, and none of them do anything
they aren't programmed to do.
>
>
>>>>I agree, however, that it
>>>>makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
>>>
>>> Right, a ballot can easily by marked by using
>>> a brown pen to put a fly speck under the letter in
>>> the first line as the first number of the ballot, and
>>> under the letter in the second line as the second
>>> number of the ballot, etc.
>>> And there many other ways, just check how
>>> cards are marked as sold by gamboling device
>>> houses.
>>
>>I'm not sure that method would work on ballots, unless you lived in a very
>>small town. There are only 52 cards in a deck, 54 if you count the
>>jokers.
>
> For every line on the ballot, the number
> possibly is increased ten times.
What does that have to do with marking the ballots?
>
>
>>>>>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>>>>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>>>>>> city hall and the council.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population
>>>>>>than
>>>>>>voter fraud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like laws?
>>>>
>>>>Like fear. These kinds of situations lend themselves to financial
>>>>control,
>>>>social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to
>>>>face,
>>>>or
>>>>are too cowardly to face.
>>>
>>> Actually a lot of it just reduces the economy
>>> in the town, where I live there is two gas stations
>>> and a bank branch, that's about it, the store fronts
>>> are being turned into apartments.
>>
>>Sounds like the town is dying.
>
> Because the clique wants it to be a residential
> town, and the clique is boss.
So they're trying to turn it into a bedroom town? Don't the stupid fools
realize that people don't continue to live in a town that doesn't have
things like stores and shopping centers? Not everybody wants to drive into
the city just to buy groceries....
politician. As for trust, I trust all of them to do their level best to
line their own pockets while doing their best to pass laws that will get
them reelected so they can continue to line their own pockets.
And yes, I'm cynical. If you aren't, more power to you. Politics is a
dirty game, made up of compromise, backstabbing, and lies. I've watched it
for 50 years now, and I'm not impressed.
The only difference I can see between the Republicans and the Democrats is
the direction of their extremism.
last 20 years!
My experience with government is that they're always sticking their nose
where it doesn't belong (abortion, marriage of any kind, forcing people to
buy things they can't afford, etc), and every time the government gets
involved and starts legislating *anything* beyond the basics (murder,
assault, etc), the situation inevitably gets worse.
>
>
>>>>>>> But it isn't the politicians themselves that have
>>>>>>> been accused, or caught, it is over-zealous workers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They're not, by any definition, over-zealous workers. They're
>>>>>>crooked.
>>>>>>Over-zealous workers, following the rules, would have stopped
>>>>>>themselves.
>>>>>>These people are trying to cheat the system. It doesn't make a lick
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>difference what political group they belong to - they're still
>>>>>>criminals.
>>>>>
>>>>> The liberal claim is that voter fraud doesn't exist.
>>>>
>>>>Oh, hell. Are you under the impression I'm a liberal? Because I'm not.
>>>
>>> Part of the liberal trait is grouping individuals,
>>> and allowing gossip to shape opinions and decisions.
>>
>>Give me a break. That's not a liberal trait. It's a human trait. One I
>>try not to practice in general, but it's pretty hard to ignore the dirty
>>game called politics during an election year.
>
> The liberals depend on it.
disenfranchised. I think they're *all* looney tunes.
>
>
>>>>I
>>>>know perfectly well voter fraud exists. It happens somewhere every time
>>>>there is an election. Also, I seriously doubt most liberals think voter
>>>>fraud doesn't exist. They just claim it's all the conservatives doing
>>>>it.
>>>
>>> You haven't read the posts here?
>>
>>Yeah, I've seen the bullshit posted here in RAST. I have no idea where
>>you're posting from, but so far, I haven't seen jack shit posted here that
>>proves what the posters are claiming it proves.
>
> You don't know Jack.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhETObVI10w
>
>
>>> Maybe some silly way to keep track of the
>>> number of ballots, but even that doesn't make
>>> sense, the printer has a machine that will
>>> bundle them in bales of 100, making them
>>> easy to count.
>>
>>Provided the machine is working correctly. :P
>
> They are infallible.
they aren't programmed to do.
>
>
>>>>I agree, however, that it
>>>>makes it much too easy to figure out who voted which way.
>>>
>>> Right, a ballot can easily by marked by using
>>> a brown pen to put a fly speck under the letter in
>>> the first line as the first number of the ballot, and
>>> under the letter in the second line as the second
>>> number of the ballot, etc.
>>> And there many other ways, just check how
>>> cards are marked as sold by gamboling device
>>> houses.
>>
>>I'm not sure that method would work on ballots, unless you lived in a very
>>small town. There are only 52 cards in a deck, 54 if you count the
>>jokers.
>
> For every line on the ballot, the number
> possibly is increased ten times.
>
>
>>>>>>> Some towns are run by cliques, often with
>>>>>>> many members of the same family controlling
>>>>>>> city hall and the council.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, but they usually have other ways of controlling the population
>>>>>>than
>>>>>>voter fraud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like laws?
>>>>
>>>>Like fear. These kinds of situations lend themselves to financial
>>>>control,
>>>>social pariahs, and various other threats that people don't want to
>>>>face,
>>>>or
>>>>are too cowardly to face.
>>>
>>> Actually a lot of it just reduces the economy
>>> in the town, where I live there is two gas stations
>>> and a bank branch, that's about it, the store fronts
>>> are being turned into apartments.
>>
>>Sounds like the town is dying.
>
> Because the clique wants it to be a residential
> town, and the clique is boss.
realize that people don't continue to live in a town that doesn't have
things like stores and shopping centers? Not everybody wants to drive into
the city just to buy groceries....
Dragon Lady
Aug 10, 2012, 9:27:16 PM8/10/12
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I'm not sure if it's a federal law, but I know in both Colorado and
Nebraska, you have to show ID and sign in order to buy anything with the
decongestant in Claritin D in it, and there's a limit on how much you can
buy at one time. The reason given is because it's used in the production of
meth.
Nebraska, you have to show ID and sign in order to buy anything with the
decongestant in Claritin D in it, and there's a limit on how much you can
buy at one time. The reason given is because it's used in the production of
meth.
SaPeIsMa
Aug 10, 2012, 10:32:34 PM8/10/12
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Well, yes, it is rather difficult to have any kind of intelligent
conversation with someone demonstrating your lack of reading skills
We were NOT talking about who was voted for in the last 50 years
We were discussing if you have 50 years of diverse experience versus 1 year
repeated 50 times
Apparently that's a concept too difficult for you.
conversation with someone demonstrating your lack of reading skills
We were NOT talking about who was voted for in the last 50 years
We were discussing if you have 50 years of diverse experience versus 1 year
repeated 50 times
Apparently that's a concept too difficult for you.
emoneyjoe
Aug 11, 2012, 1:29:50 AM8/11/12
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I'm sorry, but I just clicked the above url and saw
mention of voting in several places with questions
like "if a picture ID is not needed for voting, why is
one needed to buy Draino?".
This can be interpreted in several ways, it seems
to be an argument also saying "if picture ID is needed
to buy Draino, why not for voting?".
I have an extremely slow wireless connection
even though I am paying for 4G, so I won't wait
for the dozens of things to load to be able to
copy and paste the exact wording.
mention of voting in several places with questions
like "if a picture ID is not needed for voting, why is
one needed to buy Draino?".
This can be interpreted in several ways, it seems
to be an argument also saying "if picture ID is needed
to buy Draino, why not for voting?".
I have an extremely slow wireless connection
even though I am paying for 4G, so I won't wait
for the dozens of things to load to be able to
copy and paste the exact wording.
emoneyjoe
Aug 11, 2012, 1:42:38 AM8/11/12
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You might be right, except the dealer I go
to has a system where he lays the driver's license
in the copier and lays the sales slip on top with
a space for the license at the top.
Oddly enough, he then gives the original
I sign to me and keeps a copy for his records,
it wouldn't work the other way.
>> Local or state government can pass laws
>> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
>> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
>> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>
>I never said that either. I suggest you read what I actually said and stop
>making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting to
>remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
>thing.
I may be older than your father, but I do not
have any signs of dementia, I am just an argumentive
jackass, and always have been.
>>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>>
>>>Duh.
>>
>> Do you say that a lot?
>
>When people point out the obvious, I do. BTW, it's duh, not Doh.
I didn't say I only sell cans there, while I do not
collect scrap other places, I did have a lot of metal
scrap in my house and shed that I have been getting
rid of, about 20 really old computers that I took
apart, and some parts for the 3 old Cadillac D'elegance
cars I had, but sold for scrap because I couldn't afford
to pay the insurance and taxes on them any more.
to has a system where he lays the driver's license
in the copier and lays the sales slip on top with
a space for the license at the top.
Oddly enough, he then gives the original
I sign to me and keeps a copy for his records,
it wouldn't work the other way.
>> Local or state government can pass laws
>> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
>> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
>> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>
>I never said that either. I suggest you read what I actually said and stop
>making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting to
>remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
>thing.
have any signs of dementia, I am just an argumentive
jackass, and always have been.
>>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>>
>>>Duh.
>>
>> Do you say that a lot?
>
>When people point out the obvious, I do. BTW, it's duh, not Doh.
collect scrap other places, I did have a lot of metal
scrap in my house and shed that I have been getting
rid of, about 20 really old computers that I took
apart, and some parts for the 3 old Cadillac D'elegance
cars I had, but sold for scrap because I couldn't afford
to pay the insurance and taxes on them any more.
Dragon Lady
Aug 14, 2012, 9:37:53 PM8/14/12
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Oh, I can relate to that, although I think my problem is my computer rather
than my conncection.
The headline, like far too many headlines, is misleading. From what I have
read, what's happening is that in an effort to stop voter fraud, states that
haven't required picture IDs for voting are now passing laws requiring them.
So, yes, there have been states where you weren't required to show an ID to
vote. Now there are fewer of them. I've never lived in a state where you
weren't required to show ID if you voted in person. Colorado has this
mail-in thing you can do, where you receive a ballot and can mail it in. I
like voting in person though.
than my conncection.
The headline, like far too many headlines, is misleading. From what I have
read, what's happening is that in an effort to stop voter fraud, states that
haven't required picture IDs for voting are now passing laws requiring them.
So, yes, there have been states where you weren't required to show an ID to
vote. Now there are fewer of them. I've never lived in a state where you
weren't required to show ID if you voted in person. Colorado has this
mail-in thing you can do, where you receive a ballot and can mail it in. I
like voting in person though.
Dragon Lady
Aug 14, 2012, 9:42:18 PM8/14/12
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Uh...that's exactly the sort of thing he would do if he's been audited and
had expenses disallowed because he couldn't substantiate them.
>
> Oddly enough, he then gives the original
> I sign to me and keeps a copy for his records,
> it wouldn't work the other way.
Does the original have the drivers licenses on it?
>
>
>>> Local or state government can pass laws
>>> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
>>> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
>>> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>>
>>I never said that either. I suggest you read what I actually said and
>>stop
>>making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting
>>to
>>remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
>>thing.
>
> I may be older than your father, but I do not
> have any signs of dementia, I am just an argumentive
> jackass, and always have been.
If you're older than my father, you must be in pretty good shape. He can't
read anymore, because he won't let them remove his cataracts, and he'll be
90 in a few months.
>
>
>>>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>>>
>>>>Duh.
>>>
>>> Do you say that a lot?
>>
>>When people point out the obvious, I do. BTW, it's duh, not Doh.
>
> I didn't say I only sell cans there, while I do not
> collect scrap other places, I did have a lot of metal
> scrap in my house and shed that I have been getting
> rid of, about 20 really old computers that I took
> apart, and some parts for the 3 old Cadillac D'elegance
> cars I had, but sold for scrap because I couldn't afford
> to pay the insurance and taxes on them any more.
That makes more sense. You're probably getting more money than a can seller
would. No wonder he's keeping copies of everything.
had expenses disallowed because he couldn't substantiate them.
>
> Oddly enough, he then gives the original
> I sign to me and keeps a copy for his records,
> it wouldn't work the other way.
>
>
>>> Local or state government can pass laws
>>> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
>>> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
>>> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>>
>>I never said that either. I suggest you read what I actually said and
>>stop
>>making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting
>>to
>>remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
>>thing.
>
> I may be older than your father, but I do not
> have any signs of dementia, I am just an argumentive
> jackass, and always have been.
read anymore, because he won't let them remove his cataracts, and he'll be
90 in a few months.
>
>
>>>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>>>
>>>>Duh.
>>>
>>> Do you say that a lot?
>>
>>When people point out the obvious, I do. BTW, it's duh, not Doh.
>
> I didn't say I only sell cans there, while I do not
> collect scrap other places, I did have a lot of metal
> scrap in my house and shed that I have been getting
> rid of, about 20 really old computers that I took
> apart, and some parts for the 3 old Cadillac D'elegance
> cars I had, but sold for scrap because I couldn't afford
> to pay the insurance and taxes on them any more.
would. No wonder he's keeping copies of everything.
emoneyjoe
Aug 15, 2012, 2:32:06 AM8/15/12
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Probably not if you delete the temporary internet
files, any computer made in the last ten years is
faster than any connection.
>The headline, like far too many headlines, is misleading. From what I have
>read, what's happening is that in an effort to stop voter fraud, states that
>haven't required picture IDs for voting are now passing laws requiring them.
>So, yes, there have been states where you weren't required to show an ID to
>vote. Now there are fewer of them. I've never lived in a state where you
>weren't required to show ID if you voted in person. Colorado has this
>mail-in thing you can do, where you receive a ballot and can mail it in. I
>like voting in person though.
I don't know how mail-ins work, but most states
have them. But the residence data is probably
checked real good before the ballots are mailed out.
files, any computer made in the last ten years is
faster than any connection.
>The headline, like far too many headlines, is misleading. From what I have
>read, what's happening is that in an effort to stop voter fraud, states that
>haven't required picture IDs for voting are now passing laws requiring them.
>So, yes, there have been states where you weren't required to show an ID to
>vote. Now there are fewer of them. I've never lived in a state where you
>weren't required to show ID if you voted in person. Colorado has this
>mail-in thing you can do, where you receive a ballot and can mail it in. I
>like voting in person though.
have them. But the residence data is probably
checked real good before the ballots are mailed out.
emoneyjoe
Aug 15, 2012, 3:04:06 AM8/15/12
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If you were a good accountant :-) you would
know that he must show a reasonable margin,
and his income can't be hidden because he
sells in large quantity to the smelters.
Also, I can say for sure he has never been
audited as a scrap dealer, he just started the
business 3 or 4 months ago.
>> Oddly enough, he then gives the original
>> I sign to me and keeps a copy for his records,
>> it wouldn't work the other way.
>
>Does the original have the drivers licenses on it?
Of course not, that is why he keeps the copy.
If he really did it right, he would make two
copies and give me one, and staple the other
to the original for his records.
But many delivery men and clerks do things
backwards, some have me sign when I give
them money or they pick up something from me.
>>>> Local or state government can pass laws
>>>> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
>>>> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
>>>> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>>>
>>>I never said that either. I suggest you read what I actually said and
>>>stop
>>>making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting
>>>to
>>>remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
>>>thing.
>>
>> I may be older than your father, but I do not
>> have any signs of dementia, I am just an argumentive
>> jackass, and always have been.
>
>If you're older than my father, you must be in pretty good shape. He can't
>read anymore, because he won't let them remove his cataracts, and he'll be
>90 in a few months.
Then no, he is older, but if he has two good
eyes please tell him he should have the worst eye
done as soon as possible, there are almost no
problems as long as pressures are checked often
afterward, and they almost always get the lens
just right giving 20-20 vision, with less amber color
than the original lens.
I went more than 4 diopters near sighted in
the 5 years before the operations in 1999, and
have 20-20 in good light, everybody I know has
20-20 that had it done.
>>>>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>>>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>>>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>>>>
>>>>>Duh.
>>>>
>>>> Do you say that a lot?
>>>
>>>When people point out the obvious, I do. BTW, it's duh, not Doh.
>>
>> I didn't say I only sell cans there, while I do not
>> collect scrap other places, I did have a lot of metal
>> scrap in my house and shed that I have been getting
>> rid of, about 20 really old computers that I took
>> apart, and some parts for the 3 old Cadillac D'elegance
>> cars I had, but sold for scrap because I couldn't afford
>> to pay the insurance and taxes on them any more.
>
>That makes more sense. You're probably getting more money than a can seller
>would. No wonder he's keeping copies of everything.
No, not even close, most can sellers pick up
cans every place, and get far more than I do,
and their sales are income if they have $600
a year, mine are not income because I bought
every can new.
know that he must show a reasonable margin,
and his income can't be hidden because he
sells in large quantity to the smelters.
Also, I can say for sure he has never been
audited as a scrap dealer, he just started the
business 3 or 4 months ago.
>> Oddly enough, he then gives the original
>> I sign to me and keeps a copy for his records,
>> it wouldn't work the other way.
>
>Does the original have the drivers licenses on it?
If he really did it right, he would make two
copies and give me one, and staple the other
to the original for his records.
But many delivery men and clerks do things
backwards, some have me sign when I give
them money or they pick up something from me.
>>>> Local or state government can pass laws
>>>> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
>>>> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
>>>> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>>>
>>>I never said that either. I suggest you read what I actually said and
>>>stop
>>>making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting
>>>to
>>>remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
>>>thing.
>>
>> I may be older than your father, but I do not
>> have any signs of dementia, I am just an argumentive
>> jackass, and always have been.
>
>If you're older than my father, you must be in pretty good shape. He can't
>read anymore, because he won't let them remove his cataracts, and he'll be
>90 in a few months.
eyes please tell him he should have the worst eye
done as soon as possible, there are almost no
problems as long as pressures are checked often
afterward, and they almost always get the lens
just right giving 20-20 vision, with less amber color
than the original lens.
I went more than 4 diopters near sighted in
the 5 years before the operations in 1999, and
have 20-20 in good light, everybody I know has
20-20 that had it done.
>>>>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>>>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>>>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>>>>
>>>>>Duh.
>>>>
>>>> Do you say that a lot?
>>>
>>>When people point out the obvious, I do. BTW, it's duh, not Doh.
>>
>> I didn't say I only sell cans there, while I do not
>> collect scrap other places, I did have a lot of metal
>> scrap in my house and shed that I have been getting
>> rid of, about 20 really old computers that I took
>> apart, and some parts for the 3 old Cadillac D'elegance
>> cars I had, but sold for scrap because I couldn't afford
>> to pay the insurance and taxes on them any more.
>
>That makes more sense. You're probably getting more money than a can seller
>would. No wonder he's keeping copies of everything.
cans every place, and get far more than I do,
and their sales are income if they have $600
a year, mine are not income because I bought
every can new.
Dragon Lady
Aug 16, 2012, 12:48:18 AM8/16/12
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Yes and no. Part of the problem is that this computer only has 52 MB of
memory in it.
The other part, as it turns out, was my antivirus program. I've switched
programs and all of a sudden even this old beast (with is pretty close to 10
years old) is working better.
>
>>The headline, like far too many headlines, is misleading. From what I
>>have
>>read, what's happening is that in an effort to stop voter fraud, states
>>that
>>haven't required picture IDs for voting are now passing laws requiring
>>them.
>>So, yes, there have been states where you weren't required to show an ID
>>to
>>vote. Now there are fewer of them. I've never lived in a state where you
>>weren't required to show ID if you voted in person. Colorado has this
>>mail-in thing you can do, where you receive a ballot and can mail it in.
>>I
>>like voting in person though.
>
> I don't know how mail-ins work, but most states
> have them. But the residence data is probably
> checked real good before the ballots are mailed out.
The ballot is mailed to the registered address, that's all I can tell you.
I don't know what checks they use to make sure the voter still lives at that
address.
memory in it.
The other part, as it turns out, was my antivirus program. I've switched
programs and all of a sudden even this old beast (with is pretty close to 10
years old) is working better.
>
>>The headline, like far too many headlines, is misleading. From what I
>>have
>>read, what's happening is that in an effort to stop voter fraud, states
>>that
>>haven't required picture IDs for voting are now passing laws requiring
>>them.
>>So, yes, there have been states where you weren't required to show an ID
>>to
>>vote. Now there are fewer of them. I've never lived in a state where you
>>weren't required to show ID if you voted in person. Colorado has this
>>mail-in thing you can do, where you receive a ballot and can mail it in.
>>I
>>like voting in person though.
>
> I don't know how mail-ins work, but most states
> have them. But the residence data is probably
> checked real good before the ballots are mailed out.
I don't know what checks they use to make sure the voter still lives at that
address.
Dragon Lady
Aug 16, 2012, 1:02:18 AM8/16/12
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*sigh* Of course I know that. I've been an accountant for over 30 years.
We were not talking about his income. We were talking about his expenses
and *your* income, which comes from his expenses and is not considered
income for you because it's a personal item that you bought for more than
you sold it for.
>
> Also, I can say for sure he has never been
> audited as a scrap dealer, he just started the
> business 3 or 4 months ago.
>
Then he got some very good advice somewhere along the way.
>
>>> Oddly enough, he then gives the original
>>> I sign to me and keeps a copy for his records,
>>> it wouldn't work the other way.
>>
>>Does the original have the drivers licenses on it?
>
> Of course not, that is why he keeps the copy.
That's what I figured.
> If he really did it right, he would make two
> copies and give me one, and staple the other
> to the original for his records.
You don't really need a copy with your ID on it. You already have your ID,
and you're not going to be reporting it as income anyway. Though you're
probably right he should be keeping the original. However, I don't think
it's a necessity.
>
> But many delivery men and clerks do things
> backwards, some have me sign when I give
> them money or they pick up something from me.
Delivery men and clerks are liable to their employers for money received and
for items received. They probably have to substantiate everything they pick
up and reconcile it to the money/items they turn in.
>
>
>>>>> Local or state government can pass laws
>>>>> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
>>>>> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
>>>>> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>>>>
>>>>I never said that either. I suggest you read what I actually said and
>>>>stop
>>>>making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting
>>>>to
>>>>remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
>>>>thing.
>>>
>>> I may be older than your father, but I do not
>>> have any signs of dementia, I am just an argumentive
>>> jackass, and always have been.
>>
>>If you're older than my father, you must be in pretty good shape. He
>>can't
>>read anymore, because he won't let them remove his cataracts, and he'll be
>>90 in a few months.
>
> Then no, he is older, but if he has two good
> eyes please tell him he should have the worst eye
> done as soon as possible, there are almost no
> problems as long as pressures are checked often
> afterward, and they almost always get the lens
> just right giving 20-20 vision, with less amber color
> than the original lens.
I'm sure he's been told that, but he has paranoid dementia (or so they tell
me, though he was paranoid for years before he was diagnosed with dementia),
and he's convinced himself that he's allergic to the artificial lenses they
put in the eye after the operation. I have no idea whether he really is or
not, but I can hardly force him to have an operation he doesn't want.
>
> I went more than 4 diopters near sighted in
> the 5 years before the operations in 1999, and
> have 20-20 in good light, everybody I know has
> 20-20 that had it done.
My mother's vision improved significantly after she had it done, but she
also had diabetes, and it eventually went downhill again, because it was
undiagnosed for who knows how long.
>
>
>>>>>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>>>>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>>>>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Duh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you say that a lot?
>>>>
>>>>When people point out the obvious, I do. BTW, it's duh, not Doh.
>>>
>>> I didn't say I only sell cans there, while I do not
>>> collect scrap other places, I did have a lot of metal
>>> scrap in my house and shed that I have been getting
>>> rid of, about 20 really old computers that I took
>>> apart, and some parts for the 3 old Cadillac D'elegance
>>> cars I had, but sold for scrap because I couldn't afford
>>> to pay the insurance and taxes on them any more.
>>
>>That makes more sense. You're probably getting more money than a can
>>seller
>>would. No wonder he's keeping copies of everything.
>
> No, not even close, most can sellers pick up
> cans every place, and get far more than I do,
> and their sales are income if they have $600
> a year, mine are not income because I bought
> every can new.
I'm an accountant. I do taxes. I'm well aware of the rules regarding
income, and when it has to be reported. I guess I hadn't considered people
who go around picking up cans, but he probably keeps the same records on
them as he does on you. If he's smart, he keeps the same records on
everybody he buys scrap from.
We were not talking about his income. We were talking about his expenses
and *your* income, which comes from his expenses and is not considered
income for you because it's a personal item that you bought for more than
you sold it for.
>
> Also, I can say for sure he has never been
> audited as a scrap dealer, he just started the
> business 3 or 4 months ago.
>
>
>>> Oddly enough, he then gives the original
>>> I sign to me and keeps a copy for his records,
>>> it wouldn't work the other way.
>>
>>Does the original have the drivers licenses on it?
>
> Of course not, that is why he keeps the copy.
> If he really did it right, he would make two
> copies and give me one, and staple the other
> to the original for his records.
and you're not going to be reporting it as income anyway. Though you're
probably right he should be keeping the original. However, I don't think
it's a necessity.
>
> But many delivery men and clerks do things
> backwards, some have me sign when I give
> them money or they pick up something from me.
for items received. They probably have to substantiate everything they pick
up and reconcile it to the money/items they turn in.
>
>
>>>>> Local or state government can pass laws
>>>>> pertaining to scrap dealers, and putting such
>>>>> trivial things as "this law does not apply to
>>>>> aluminum cans" in the text probably isn't done.
>>>>
>>>>I never said that either. I suggest you read what I actually said and
>>>>stop
>>>>making things up in your head and pretending it's true. You're starting
>>>>to
>>>>remind me of my father, and since he's got dementia, that's not a good
>>>>thing.
>>>
>>> I may be older than your father, but I do not
>>> have any signs of dementia, I am just an argumentive
>>> jackass, and always have been.
>>
>>If you're older than my father, you must be in pretty good shape. He
>>can't
>>read anymore, because he won't let them remove his cataracts, and he'll be
>>90 in a few months.
>
> Then no, he is older, but if he has two good
> eyes please tell him he should have the worst eye
> done as soon as possible, there are almost no
> problems as long as pressures are checked often
> afterward, and they almost always get the lens
> just right giving 20-20 vision, with less amber color
> than the original lens.
me, though he was paranoid for years before he was diagnosed with dementia),
and he's convinced himself that he's allergic to the artificial lenses they
put in the eye after the operation. I have no idea whether he really is or
not, but I can hardly force him to have an operation he doesn't want.
>
> I went more than 4 diopters near sighted in
> the 5 years before the operations in 1999, and
> have 20-20 in good light, everybody I know has
> 20-20 that had it done.
also had diabetes, and it eventually went downhill again, because it was
undiagnosed for who knows how long.
>
>
>>>>>>> I was joking about cans being stolen, there
>>>>>>> is no deposit on cans here and nobody steals
>>>>>>> things that are worth about 2 cents each.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Duh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you say that a lot?
>>>>
>>>>When people point out the obvious, I do. BTW, it's duh, not Doh.
>>>
>>> I didn't say I only sell cans there, while I do not
>>> collect scrap other places, I did have a lot of metal
>>> scrap in my house and shed that I have been getting
>>> rid of, about 20 really old computers that I took
>>> apart, and some parts for the 3 old Cadillac D'elegance
>>> cars I had, but sold for scrap because I couldn't afford
>>> to pay the insurance and taxes on them any more.
>>
>>That makes more sense. You're probably getting more money than a can
>>seller
>>would. No wonder he's keeping copies of everything.
>
> No, not even close, most can sellers pick up
> cans every place, and get far more than I do,
> and their sales are income if they have $600
> a year, mine are not income because I bought
> every can new.
income, and when it has to be reported. I guess I hadn't considered people
who go around picking up cans, but he probably keeps the same records on
them as he does on you. If he's smart, he keeps the same records on
everybody he buys scrap from.
Harold Groot
Aug 16, 2012, 7:51:14 AM8/16/12
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mother was on the list for "mail-ins every election". She died this
past February, and they still sent her a ballot for the June Primary
Elections. We called up the Voter Registration people people to make
sure her name was removed from the list, and it was - it just takes a
long time. Everybody has a budget crunch, and this sort of thing gets
relatively low priority. From what they said, 4 months is not an
unusual amount of time to pass in such matters. I don't know how many
registered voters die in the state of California each year, but it
seems quite likely that a third of them would still be on the rolls
any time anyone did an audit. Of course, in the huge majority of
cases no one fills out their ballots and mails them back in, so the
actual amount of voter fraud from this cause is tiny compared to the
number of dead people still on the books as registered voters.
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>> I don't know how mail-ins work, but most states
>> have them. But the residence data is probably
>> checked real good before the ballots are mailed out.
>The ballot is mailed to the registered address, that's all I can tell you.
>I don't know what checks they use to make sure the voter still lives at that
>address.
Well, the system isn't perfect, that's for sure. In California, my
>> have them. But the residence data is probably
>> checked real good before the ballots are mailed out.
>The ballot is mailed to the registered address, that's all I can tell you.
>I don't know what checks they use to make sure the voter still lives at that
>address.
mother was on the list for "mail-ins every election". She died this
past February, and they still sent her a ballot for the June Primary
Elections. We called up the Voter Registration people people to make
sure her name was removed from the list, and it was - it just takes a
long time. Everybody has a budget crunch, and this sort of thing gets
relatively low priority. From what they said, 4 months is not an
unusual amount of time to pass in such matters. I don't know how many
registered voters die in the state of California each year, but it
seems quite likely that a third of them would still be on the rolls
any time anyone did an audit. Of course, in the huge majority of
cases no one fills out their ballots and mails them back in, so the
actual amount of voter fraud from this cause is tiny compared to the
number of dead people still on the books as registered voters.
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