SGU: Producer gets defensive ??
Pete B
Maureen Ryan who writes about TV for chicago tribune has been writing
about Stargate Universe being ... not very good ...
The "Stargate Universe" executive producer Brad Wright writes her and
comments, among other things:
"... there are enough viewers and reviewers who think SGU is neither
boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after "V"
is just a letter in the alphabet again."
Hehe, show us a move Brad *g*
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/11/stargat
e-universe-syfy-.html
erilar
Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
> Maureen Ryan who writes about TV for chicago tribune has been writing
> about Stargate Universe being ... not very good ...
>
> The "Stargate Universe" executive producer Brad Wright writes her and
> comments, among other things:
>
> "... there are enough viewers and reviewers who think SGU is neither
> boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after "V"
> is just a letter in the alphabet again."
Not many of them posting here, however. . .
--
Erilar, biblioholic
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habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
Pete B
dra...@chibardun.net.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.25618b33f...@74.209.131.10>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
> > Maureen Ryan who writes about TV for chicago tribune has been writing
> > about Stargate Universe being ... not very good ...
> >
> > The "Stargate Universe" executive producer Brad Wright writes her and
> > comments, among other things:
> >
> > "... there are enough viewers and reviewers who think SGU is neither
> > boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after "V"
> > is just a letter in the alphabet again."
>
> Not many of them posting here, however. . .
They are busy watching reruns of stargate unvierse :)
Anim8rFSK
erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <MPG.25618b33f...@74.209.131.10>,
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
> > Maureen Ryan who writes about TV for chicago tribune has been writing
> > about Stargate Universe being ... not very good ...
> >
> > The "Stargate Universe" executive producer Brad Wright writes her and
> > comments, among other things:
> >
> > "... there are enough viewers and reviewers who think SGU is neither
> > boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after "V"
> > is just a letter in the alphabet again."
>
> Not many of them posting here, however. . .
hee hee
--
Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
Remember, you can't spell "disgust" without SGU!
Gisele
news:MPG.25618b33f...@74.209.131.10:
I agree with Ryan and she explains things a lot better than I can but I
don't see where she sees sexism. Do programs "have to" have strong, mature
women in all of them? They had Weir in SGA and she was great. They had
Carter in SG1 and she was great. In SGU they have Chloe. Oh wait,
nevermind...<j/k> There's that nurse/doctor woman as well. Tamara? Then
they have the Asian woman. I still don't see how the show is sexist.
Gisele
Legend11
> Maureen Ryan who writes about TV for chicago tribune has been writing
> about Stargate Universe being ... not very good ...
>
> The "Stargate Universe" executive producer Brad Wright writes her and
> comments, among other things:
>
> "... there are enough viewers and reviewers who think SGU is neither
> boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after "V"
> is just a letter in the alphabet again."
>
> Hehe, show us a move Brad *g*
>
Well I suppose it is only natural to get defensive when people talk out
of their arse about your labour of love, so I don't blame him.
'V' is more than worth a watch though. But again, it's sugar coated,
camp and, unlike SGU, DOES seem to be aimed at the
young'uns...especially in comparison to the classic original. However,
better effects and a bigger budget are enough for some people to hold it
up as a shining example of great sci-fi. SGU has far more substance and
scope IMO. It will also long outlive 'V'.
--
Legend11.
"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence" - Leonard
'Bones' McCoy, Star Trek (2009).
Pete B
@googlemail.com says...
> 'V' is more than worth a watch though. But again, it's sugar coated,
> camp and, unlike SGU, DOES seem to be aimed at the
> young'uns...especially in comparison to the classic original. However,
> better effects and a bigger budget are enough for some people to hold it
> up as a shining example of great sci-fi. SGU has far more substance and
> scope IMO. It will also long outlive 'V'.
Ah, you ARE brad! *g*
DJensen
The sexism charge is aimed at Chloe, seemingly a helpless girl whose
only achievement so far is bedding Lt Scott and crying, and Lt James
(introduced mid-coitus), whose generous chest served as a sight gag (she
has been given the nickname of Lt Hooters by fans).
I think it's far too early in the show's development, particularly
considering how large the cast is, to say it's sexist. Not every
character can have a prominent (and affirming) time in the spotlight
when there's only been a handful of episodes.
--
DJensen
A Watcher
The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
DJensen
> DJensen wrote:
>> Gisele wrote:
>>> I agree with Ryan and she explains things a lot better than I can but
>>> I don't see where she sees sexism. Do programs "have to" have
>>> strong, mature women in all of them? They had Weir in SGA and she
>>> was great. They had Carter in SG1 and she was great. In SGU they
>>> have Chloe. Oh wait, nevermind...<j/k> There's that nurse/doctor
>>> woman as well. Tamara? Then they have the Asian woman. I still
>>> don't see how the show is sexist.
>>
>> The sexism charge is aimed at Chloe, seemingly a helpless girl whose
>> only achievement so far is bedding Lt Scott and crying, and Lt James
>> (introduced mid-coitus), whose generous chest served as a sight gag
>> (she has been given the nickname of Lt Hooters by fans).
>>
>> I think it's far too early in the show's development, particularly
>> considering how large the cast is, to say it's sexist. Not every
>> character can have a prominent (and affirming) time in the spotlight
>> when there's only been a handful of episodes.
>>
>
> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
Reality isn't flattering.
--
DJensen
Legend11
It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of these
bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect journalism
these days.
She should try doing something useful for change....like the housework,
or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL ;)
Gisele
news:_t-dndqEnPSxVmXX...@earthlink.com:
> DJensen wrote:
>> Gisele wrote:
>>> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in
>>> news:MPG.25618b33f...@74.209.131.10:
>>>> Maureen Ryan who writes about TV for chicago tribune has been
>>>> writing about Stargate Universe being ... not very good ...
>>>> The "Stargate Universe" executive producer Brad Wright writes her
>>>> and comments, among other things:
>>>>
>>>> "... there are enough viewers and reviewers who think SGU is
>>>> neither boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air
>>>> long after "V" is just a letter in the alphabet again."
>>>>
>>>> Hehe, show us a move Brad *g*
>>>>
>>>> http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/11/sta
>>>> rga t e-universe-syfy-.html
>>>
>>> I agree with Ryan and she explains things a lot better than I can
>>> but I don't see where she sees sexism. Do programs "have to" have
>>> strong, mature women in all of them? They had Weir in SGA and she
>>> was great. They had Carter in SG1 and she was great. In SGU they
>>> have Chloe. Oh wait, nevermind...<j/k> There's that nurse/doctor
>>> woman as well. Tamara? Then they have the Asian woman. I still
>>> don't see how the show is sexist.
>>
>> The sexism charge is aimed at Chloe, seemingly a helpless girl whose
>> only achievement so far is bedding Lt Scott and crying, and Lt James
>> (introduced mid-coitus), whose generous chest served as a sight gag
>> (she has been given the nickname of Lt Hooters by fans).
Oh OK, I missed the hooters......<g> Still, that's not necessarily
sexist. As for Chloe, well, she's supposed to be a kid so she's behaving
like one.
>> I think it's far too early in the show's development, particularly
>> considering how large the cast is, to say it's sexist. Not every
>> character can have a prominent (and affirming) time in the spotlight
>> when there's only been a handful of episodes.
Well, it looks like they do have a set cast though. Pete gave me a link
to a site that had the main characters, their pictures and names so I
think she's going by that. In that case, she's right up to a point in the
sense that there aren't any powerful women on the show. But again, do all
shows have to have strong women? Moreover, I don't find the men to be all
that strong either.
Gisele
DJensen
>> DJensen wrote:
>>> The sexism charge is aimed at Chloe, seemingly a helpless girl whose
>>> only achievement so far is bedding Lt Scott and crying, and Lt James
>>> (introduced mid-coitus), whose generous chest served as a sight gag
>>> (she has been given the nickname of Lt Hooters by fans).
>
> Oh OK, I missed the hooters......<g> Still, that's not necessarily
> sexist. As for Chloe, well, she's supposed to be a kid so she's behaving
> like one.
>
>>> I think it's far too early in the show's development, particularly
>>> considering how large the cast is, to say it's sexist. Not every
>>> character can have a prominent (and affirming) time in the spotlight
>>> when there's only been a handful of episodes.
>
> Well, it looks like they do have a set cast though. Pete gave me a link
> to a site that had the main characters, their pictures and names so I
> think she's going by that. In that case, she's right up to a point in the
> sense that there aren't any powerful women on the show. But again, do all
> shows have to have strong women? Moreover, I don't find the men to be all
> that strong either.
What makes a female character a "powerful woman" though? TJ is a medic
and third in charge of the expedition, and solved the nano bug/water
loss problem without Young or Scott around. Not powerful enough?
--
DJensen
erilar
Gisele <ilov...@nospamlycos.com> wrote:
> Well, it looks like they do have a set cast though. Pete gave me a link
> to a site that had the main characters, their pictures and names so I
> think she's going by that. In that case, she's right up to a point in the
> sense that there aren't any powerful women on the show.
There was a woman with a weapon when they were loading that shuttle who
looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they done anything with
her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each episode. How old is she
supposed to be, 15?
> But again, do all
> shows have to have strong women?
I prefer those that do, but not everyone does.
> Moreover, I don't find the men to be all
> that strong either.
The only supposedly "strong" ones seem to be stupid as well.
erilar
Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> A Watcher wrote:
> > The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
>
> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of these
> bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect journalism
> these days.
>
> She should try doing something useful for change....like the housework,
> or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL ;)
And having read that comment, I see I need to killfile you. Fare poorly.
Gisele
news:f39dd$4af99e75$4c0aa3ea$25...@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free:
OK, what episode was that? Ryan said she watched the first 5 so did she
see this? I didn't watch that episode so I'll have to catch up soon so I
can keep up. Can't comment on the above yet.
Gisele
Gisele
news:drache-5F0AC3....@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <Xns9CBEEB1156D0Dil...@69.16.185.252>,
> Gisele <ilov...@nospamlycos.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, it looks like they do have a set cast though. Pete gave me a
>> link to a site that had the main characters, their pictures and names
>> so I think she's going by that. In that case, she's right up to a
>> point in the sense that there aren't any powerful women on the show.
> There was a woman with a weapon when they were loading that shuttle
> who looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they done anything
> with her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each episode. How old
> is she supposed to be, 15?
Agreed. Can't recall the woman with a weapon though but I've missed some
eps.
>> But again, do all
>> shows have to have strong women?
> I prefer those that do, but not everyone does.
I like a show that is balanced but I can live with one that isn't.
>> Moreover, I don't find the men to be all
>> that strong either.
> The only supposedly "strong" ones seem to be stupid as well.
From the last episode, I have to agree.
Gisele
Davej
> Maureen Ryan who writes about TV for chicago tribune has been writing
> about Stargate Universe being ... not very good ...
>
> The "Stargate Universe" executive producer Brad Wright writes her and
> comments, among other things:
>
> "... there are enough viewers and reviewers who think SGU is neither
> boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after "V"
> is just a letter in the alphabet again."
Hmmm, well I'd agree with that. I thought the premiere of "V" really
sucked.
Gisele
news:hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about
>> that?
>
> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of these
> bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect journalism
> these days.
>
> She should try doing something useful for change....like the
> housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL
> ;)
Geez there Legend, don't hold anything back. I mean you sound like a
teenager, a male one at that. I know you don't like me saying that but
geez...
Gisele
Pete B
stoc...@earthlink.net says...
> > I think it's far too early in the show's development, particularly
> > considering how large the cast is, to say it's sexist. Not every
> > character can have a prominent (and affirming) time in the spotlight
> > when there's only been a handful of episodes.
> >
>
> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
Sorry, level 2 cognitives only.
Pete B
i_m...@yahoo.ca says...
She's third in charge by dint of accident
Pete B
Pete B
@nospamlycos.com says...
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.25618b33f...@74.209.131.10:
>
> > Maureen Ryan who writes about TV for chicago tribune has been writing
> > about Stargate Universe being ... not very good ...
> >
> > The "Stargate Universe" executive producer Brad Wright writes her and
> > comments, among other things:
> >
> > "... there are enough viewers and reviewers who think SGU is neither
> > boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after "V"
> > is just a letter in the alphabet again."
> >
> > Hehe, show us a move Brad *g*
> >
> > http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/11/starga
> > t e-universe-syfy-.html
>
> I agree with Ryan and she explains things a lot better than I can but I
> don't see where she sees sexism. Do programs "have to" have strong, mature
> women in all of them?
Well she gives as example the one from the pilot (or was it ep3) where
they pan in lt hooters and sort of track all over her boobs - presumably
Ryan does not think they are going to show a scene where they zoom into
the crotch of angry black dood and let the picture stand for a moment
*cough*
You could always ask the angry lesbians over at Television without
Pithy, they are terrible upset.
> They had Weir in SGA and she was great. They had
> Carter in SG1 and she was great. In SGU they have Chloe. Oh wait,
> nevermind...<j/k> There's that nurse/doctor woman as well. Tamara? Then
> they have the Asian woman. I still don't see how the show is sexist.
Perhaps Ryan like several others feel the writers can't write women well
and become cliches.
Pete B
@nospamlycos.com says...
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in
> news:drache-5F0AC3....@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > In article <Xns9CBEEB1156D0Dil...@69.16.185.252>,
> > Gisele <ilov...@nospamlycos.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well, it looks like they do have a set cast though. Pete gave me a
> >> link to a site that had the main characters, their pictures and names
> >> so I think she's going by that. In that case, she's right up to a
> >> point in the sense that there aren't any powerful women on the show.
>
> > There was a woman with a weapon when they were loading that shuttle
> > who looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they done anything
> > with her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each episode. How old
> > is she supposed to be, 15?
>
> Agreed. Can't recall the woman with a weapon though but I've missed some
> eps.
I recall a woman with two ;)
DJensen
She rose to the occasion all the same.
--
DJensen
Legend11
> In article <hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> A Watcher wrote:
>
>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
> SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
>> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of these
>> bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect journalism
>> these days.
>>
>> She should try doing something useful for change....like the housework,
>> or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL ;)
>
> And having read that comment, I see I need to killfile you. Fare poorly.
>
It's called an ironic joke, you dolt. I was championing genuine feminist
principles well you were likely a glint in your mother's eye.
Gisele
@news.usenetserver.com:
Lol...
Gisele
Legend11
> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote in
> news:hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about
>>> that?
>> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of these
>> bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect journalism
>> these days.
>>
>> She should try doing something useful for change....like the
>> housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL
>> ;)
>
> Geez there Legend, don't hold anything back. I mean you sound like a
> teenager
Repeat usual nonsense - ad infinitum - ad nauseum.
You really need some new material, sweetcheeks. You're damn well boring
me to tears.
I never hold back where HUMOUR is concerned. All is fair game, when said
jokingly.
Gisele
>> I agree with Ryan and she explains things a lot better than I can but
>> I don't see where she sees sexism. Do programs "have to" have
>> strong, mature women in all of them?
>
> Well she gives as example the one from the pilot (or was it ep3) where
> they pan in lt hooters and sort of track all over her boobs -
> presumably Ryan does not think they are going to show a scene where
> they zoom into the crotch of angry black dood and let the picture
> stand for a moment *cough*
Hehehe
> You could always ask the angry lesbians over at Television without
> Pithy, they are terrible upset.
Lol...
>> They had Weir in SGA and she was great. They had
>> Carter in SG1 and she was great. In SGU they have Chloe. Oh wait,
>> nevermind...<j/k> There's that nurse/doctor woman as well. Tamara?
>> Then they have the Asian woman. I still don't see how the show is
>> sexist.
>
> Perhaps Ryan like several others feel the writers can't write women
> well and become cliches.
Possible since the characters, male or female, from what I've seen aren't
well-written.
Gisele
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Gisele
news:hdce02$8fm$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Gisele wrote:
>> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>> news:hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about
>>>> that?
>>> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of
>>> these bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect
>>> journalism these days.
>>>
>>> She should try doing something useful for change....like the
>>> housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner.
>>> LOL ;)
>>
>> Geez there Legend, don't hold anything back. I mean you sound like a
>> teenager
>
> Repeat usual nonsense - ad infinitum - ad nauseum.
>
> You really need some new material, sweetcheeks. You're damn well
> boring me to tears.
>
> I never hold back where HUMOUR is concerned. All is fair game, when
> said jokingly.
*THIS* is what you call humor? OK... Again, you are a teenage boy aren't
you? Now tell the truth.......;o) I could see how it would be funny to a
kid.
Gisele
Gisele
news:hdce3e$89t$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Thanks!
Gisele
Legend11
When someone points out you're talking nonsense and offers a prime
example within the context of the show of why, it always happens to
concern an episode or scene you never watched. You're becoming
astoundingly predictable. You're like a female Arsene Wenger or
something - "No, I never saw that particular incident where one of my
players fouled/cheated/insulted the referee". Oops, there I go with my
football analogies again.
Let us also not forget that certain 'fans' were digging at the female
characters of SGU before so much as a single episode had aired. Did you
see the convention Q&A session where someone asked "since they�ve had
strong intelligent women in the last two shows, what do they have in
mind for this show?". This was asked while the poor female actors were
sat there listening. No doubt it would have precipitated one of your
signature LOL's. I think the majority of the audience were disgusted
with the person for asking that particularly snide question.
Moral of the story here, Gisele, is that you get over your petty dislike
of Chloe. There will be plenty of examples of strong, intelligent women
on this show for anyone who gives it a fair shot.
Personally, I like the one with the huge knockers.
[Note: IRONIC humour again]
Legend11
A very happy accident, then, considering that she already looks like she
can hold her own against any example of a strong intelligent woman from
the previous shows.
Pete B
@nospamlycos.com says...
> > She should try doing something useful for change....like the
> > housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL
> > ;)
>
> Geez there Legend, don't hold anything back. I mean you sound like a
> teenager, a male one at that. I know you don't like me saying that but
> geez...
>
>
Come now, woman at home - that's how God intended ;)
Pete B
i_m...@yahoo.ca says...
> >> What makes a female character a "powerful woman" though? TJ is a medic
> >> and third in charge of the expedition,
> >
> > She's third in charge by dint of accident
>
> She rose to the occasion all the same.
Yeah - and she asked for advice! That alone should put her in the lead.
Gisele
Legend11
Wasting your time. She clearly has no SOH.
Legend11
> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote in
> news:hdce02$8fm$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Gisele wrote:
>>> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>>> news:hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about
>>>>> that?
>>>> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of
>>>> these bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect
>>>> journalism these days.
>>>>
>>>> She should try doing something useful for change....like the
>>>> housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner.
>>>> LOL ;)
>>> Geez there Legend, don't hold anything back. I mean you sound like a
>>> teenager
>> Repeat usual nonsense - ad infinitum - ad nauseum.
>>
>> You really need some new material, sweetcheeks. You're damn well
>> boring me to tears.
>>
>> I never hold back where HUMOUR is concerned. All is fair game, when
>> said jokingly.
>
> *THIS* is what you call humor?
No, I called it HUMOUR (please stop bastardising our language....thanks).
OK... Again, you are a teenage boy aren't
> you? Now tell the truth.
There's a kid inside all of those who have refused to let the passage of
time dicate that you have to become a miserable SOB/DOB - and react all
knee jerk to throwaway cheap comments like mine, and the one Pete just
gave about "woman at home". Notice who gets the verbal kicking for it
though? LOL...I really get on your tits don't I? [Oops, and with that he
quickly shakes off that particularly distasteful mental image]
Your fella really needs to put you in your place, Gisele.
[Note: cheap, throwaway ironic comment = not being serious]
Legend11
It's our fault....the English. It was all that throwing themselves under
race horses what did it (I wonder if the offended feminist Gisele wants
to try that? I shan't stand in her way..LOL) The Suffragettes...yes
blame those. They won them the damn vote. ;)
[Note: ironic, throwaway comments again. Emmeline Pankhurst was a truly
great woman....a real hero for real feminists everywhere. Not the type
we have on show with this silly journalist Moaning Maureen Ryan. An
interesting claim to fame I have is that Ms Pankhurst was briefly a
midwife at an hospital near me in Manchester, and the house facing it
has a blue plaque saying it is where she lived. The claim to fame is
that she signed the birth certificate of my ex-girlfriend's grandmother.
I believe the certificate is worth a small fortune now. I also would
hate to see Gisele throw herself under a horse. Now...a double decker
bus...mmm. Only joking, Gisele. Live long and prosper! :)]
trag
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote innews:MPG.2563e05f8...@news.usenetserver.com:
>
>
>
> > In article <Xns9CBF82B9BF3C9iloveds9nospamlyc...@94.75.244.46>, iloveds9
> > @nospamlycos.com says...
> >> > She should try doing something useful for change....like the
> >> > housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner.
> LOL
> >> > ;)
>
> >> Geez there Legend, don't hold anything back. I mean you sound like a
> >> teenager, a male one at that. I know you don't like me saying that but
> >> geez...
>
> > Come now, woman at home - that's how God intended ;)
>
> ::TWAP::
Well, I kind of liked the sentence when I thought it was going to look
like this:
"She should try doing something useful for change....like cooking her
husband..."
But then I read on...
Legend11
They're the same writers who wrote Carter & Weir though, are they not?
And again Johansen is being ignored while people bang on about Chloe ad
nauseum.
Gisele
@news.eternal-september.org:
> OK... Again, you are a teenage boy aren't
>> you? Now tell the truth.
>
>
> There's a kid inside all of those who have refused to let the passage of
> time dicate that you have to become a miserable SOB/DOB - and react all
> knee jerk to throwaway cheap comments like mine, and the one Pete just
> gave about "woman at home". Notice who gets the verbal kicking for it
> though? LOL...I really get on your tits don't I? [Oops, and with that he
> quickly shakes off that particularly distasteful mental image]
>
> Your fella really needs to put you in your place, Gisele.
> [Note: cheap, throwaway ironic comment = not being serious]
OK, I always thought you were female.....lol. I was kidding about the
teenage boy bit as if you didn't know. But now I understand a little bit
better how and why you post the way you do, your being a male. It
explains your choice of words for instance. Your "joke" about Ryan in
another post was vile if you didn't know and that is why I did think you
were a teenage boy for a while. In any case, I must have really irked you
because several messages you've posted today that I've read from you are
full of bile.....lol. I didn't and won't bother replying to most of them
as they are obvious trolls and a waste of time.
Have a nice day now,
Gisele
cf
> In article <hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> A Watcher wrote:
>
> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
>> bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect journalism
>> these days.
>>
>> or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL ;)
> And having read that comment, I see I need to killfile you. Fare poorly.
>
Agree with you on that.
cf
> erilar wrote:
>> In article <hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A Watcher wrote:
>>
>>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
>> SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
>> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
>>> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of these
>>> bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect
>>> journalism these days.
>>>
>>> She should try doing something useful for change....like the
>>> housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner.
>>> LOL ;)
>>
>> And having read that comment, I see I need to killfile you. Fare poorly.
>>
>
> It's called an ironic joke, you dolt. I was championing genuine feminist
> principles well you were likely a glint in your mother's eye.
>
person's reaction. Just because you place an "emoticon" after your
comment, it still really has nothing to do with the show.
Mark Nobles
> She's third in charge by dint of accident
Everyone is there only by dint of accident. She's third by her own
effort and training that put her in that place at that time with the
skills she has.
Mark Nobles
> In article <hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > A Watcher wrote:
>
> > > The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
> SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
But who, so far, has really had an opportunity to perform at all? It
looks to me like everyone is doing about as well as they can except for
Scott who went far beyond the call in Air. Both TJ & Eli have done much
better than expected as well, though not quite to Scott's level.
The only person who has failed to rise to the occasion is Col. Young,
who has twice attempted to abandon his duty and failed due to
circumstances.
Mark Nobles
> Gisele <ilov...@nospamlycos.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, it looks like they do have a set cast though. Pete gave me a link
> > to a site that had the main characters, their pictures and names so I
> > think she's going by that. In that case, she's right up to a point in the
> > sense that there aren't any powerful women on the show.
> There was a woman with a weapon when they were loading that shuttle who
> looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they done anything with
> her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each episode. How old is she
> supposed to be, 15?
She has to be at least 18, or this would be "kiddie porn". Also, she is
a Harvard graduate and no Doogie Howser.
>
> > But again, do all
> > shows have to have strong women?
> I prefer those that do, but not everyone does.
I think you miss the point. Is it an insult to have a female character
who is not strong?
> > Moreover, I don't find the men to be all
> > that strong either.
> The only supposedly "strong" ones seem to be stupid as well.
Young is not strong, but stupid. Scott is strong and smart. TJ is
strong and smart. Eli is smart and strong enough. Rush is smart, but
I'm not sure if he is really strong or simply doesn't recognize danger.
erilar
Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> I think you miss the point. Is it an insult to have a female character
> who is not strong?
Must they ALL be weak? Even the medic is not particularly strong.
>
> > > Moreover, I don't find the men to be all
> > > that strong either.
> > The only supposedly "strong" ones seem to be stupid as well.
>
> Young is not strong, but stupid. Scott is strong and smart.
Not very.
>TJ is
> strong and smart.
Who's he? Or is that the medic?
> Eli is smart and strong enough.
Very smart, but real strength has yet to be displayed.
> Rush is smart, but
> I'm not sure if he is really strong or simply doesn't recognize danger.
He's too narrowly focussed to be effectively strong.
--
Erilar, biblioholic
bib-li-o-hol-ism [<Gr biblion] n. [BIBLIO + HOLISM] books, of books:
habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
Pete B
nos...@comcast.net says...
And how realistic is it anyway, you transfer your conciousness to
another mans body(!) then you go screw your wife - really? Is that a
realistic thing to do? *g*
Pete B
nos...@comcast.net says...
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>
> > She's third in charge by dint of accident
>
> Everyone is there only by dint of accident.
Obviously, but not relevant to the bits you didn't quote.
> She's third by her own
> effort and training that put her in that place at that time with the
> skills she has.
Those efforts being having rumpy pumpy with the commander ;)
Pete B
nos...@comcast.net says...
> > > But again, do all
> > > shows have to have strong women?
> > I prefer those that do, but not everyone does.
>
> I think you miss the point. Is it an insult to have a female character
> who is not strong?
Good question, I'm sure there are people who will say that it is.
>
> > > Moreover, I don't find the men to be all
> > > that strong either.
> > The only supposedly "strong" ones seem to be stupid as well.
>
> Young is not strong, but stupid. Scott is strong and smart. TJ is
> strong and smart. Eli is smart and strong enough. Rush is smart, but
> I'm not sure if he is really strong or simply doesn't recognize danger.
Jury still out on Scott
Pete B
dra...@chibardun.net.invalid says...
> >TJ is
> > strong and smart.
> Who's he? Or is that the medic?
>
Yes, J for Johansen
Pete B
flower...@yahoo.com says...
> On 2009-11-11, Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> shuttle who looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they
> >> done anything with her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each
> >> episode. How old is she supposed to be, 15?
> >
> > She has to be at least 18, or this would be "kiddie porn". Also, she
> > is a Harvard graduate and no Doogie Howser.
>
> over 21.
She's just been poaching from her mothers stash ;)
Fred Ellis
> On 2009-11-11, Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>shuttle who looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they
>>>done anything with her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each
>>>episode. How old is she supposed to be, 15?
>>
>>She has to be at least 18, or this would be "kiddie porn". Also, she
>>is a Harvard graduate and no Doogie Howser.
>
>
> over 21.
>
The character 'Chloe Armstrong' is 23 years old. And just because she
got drunk in one episode doesn't make her an alcoholic. Oh, by the way,
the actress, Elyse Levesque, that plays Chloe is 24 years old.
Fred Ellis
--
"Who do you serve.... And who do you trust?"
(To e-mail me, remove the X from my address)
Legend11
You might as well say never crack a joke on the net as the other
person/people cannot tell if you're joking, laughing with them or at
them or anything else. Personally, I'd rather take the chance and hope
someone can have a laugh....otherwise what a bloody boring place the net
would be. People can already be too serious on the net. That is why we
have emoticons, BTW.
It came from a discussion about a reviewer of "the show" - welcome to
Usenet, threads have a tendency to lead off to all sorts of places. :)
Legend11
I'm so cut up about that I just don't know what to do. I mean two...TWO
faceless strangers I don't know from Adam or Eve. Jeebus, I'm so depressed.
Legend11
Young? Which incidents are you referring to?
As to the rest, yes...I totally agree. But don't expect some people to
recognise things like Scott going above and beyond the call of duty,
like the fine upstanding young man he is, as they have judged him on the
fact he had a quickie in a broom closet. Unfortunately, that is
something that some people will never look past. Silly I know, but there
you have it.
Legend11
Of course the joke was vile, I do not deny. But worry when someone says
such things in stone cold seriousness...I would (and believe me, many
would).
You thought I was female? So when I said I fancied Johansen you though I
was a lesbian? LOL....now that's made me laugh. BTW, I will make no
apologies for being a bit of a lad...it is the backlash from feminism
gone nuts. ;)
Truth be told, we've irked each other in discussion about this show.
However, I hold nothing against you. We'd probably get on perfectly well
over a drink. I never hold grudges and have gone through life making few
if any enemies. It's all just idle chit-chat at the end of the day -
switch on the TV news and look at what is going on in the world...it
kind of puts stuff in perspective, does it not? How silly it would be
for us all to go around holding personal grudges over a disagreement
over something as trivial as a fictional TV show. The other week, myself
and 'whodunit' tore each other new arsholes over politics...coming from
opposite ends of the spectrum in political terms (were I American, I'd
likely be a card carrying democrat), but away from that I think she's a
nice, interesting person to chat with. Trouble is...this is an SGU
group, so OUR differences make it sort of awkward. But please don't
think I dislike you as a person...I do not know you and wouldn't be so
bold as judge you like that. That is the truth of it right there.
Peace! :)
Legend11
> In article <101120091806593229%cmn-n...@comcast.net>, cmn-
> nos...@comcast.net says...
>
>>>> But again, do all
>>>> shows have to have strong women?
>>> I prefer those that do, but not everyone does.
>> I think you miss the point. Is it an insult to have a female character
>> who is not strong?
>
> Good question, I'm sure there are people who will say that it is.
>
Then that would be a little silly of them, as in life there are many
vulnerable women who are not as strong as the females we've been used to
in the two previous shows. I think they're trying to show humanity warts
and all this time. I think this places many of us fans poles apart. Some
don't like that, and others (myself included) find this an interesting
direction that makes for a better drama.
Gisele
@news.eternal-september.org:
> You thought I was female? So when I said I fancied Johansen you though I
> was a lesbian?
No, I thought you just liked her. I liked Weir a lot and I'm not a
lesbian.
> LOL....now that's made me laugh. BTW, I will make no
> apologies for being a bit of a lad...it is the backlash from feminism
> gone nuts. ;)
>
> Truth be told, we've irked each other in discussion about this show.
> However, I hold nothing against you. We'd probably get on perfectly well
> over a drink. I never hold grudges and have gone through life making few
> if any enemies. It's all just idle chit-chat at the end of the day -
> switch on the TV news and look at what is going on in the world...it
> kind of puts stuff in perspective, does it not? How silly it would be
> for us all to go around holding personal grudges over a disagreement
> over something as trivial as a fictional TV show. The other week, myself
> and 'whodunit' tore each other new arsholes over politics...coming from
> opposite ends of the spectrum in political terms (were I American, I'd
> likely be a card carrying democrat), but away from that I think she's a
> nice, interesting person to chat with. Trouble is...this is an SGU
> group, so OUR differences make it sort of awkward. But please don't
> think I dislike you as a person...I do not know you and wouldn't be so
> bold as judge you like that. That is the truth of it right there.
>
> Peace! :)
OK, well that's nice. So how about we agree to disagree. We obviously
have different points of view when it comes to SGU and that's fine so
let's stop fighting about it.
Gisele
Pete B
@nospamlycos.com says...
> > Peace! :)
>
> OK, well that's nice. So how about we agree to disagree. We obviously
> have different points of view when it comes to SGU and that's fine so
> let's stop fighting about it.
Hang on, you can't stop now - I've got money riding on this! *g*
Pete B
> Paul Arthur wrote:
> > On 2009-11-11, Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>There was a woman with a weapon when they were loading that
> >>>shuttle who looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they
> >>>done anything with her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each
> >>>episode. How old is she supposed to be, 15?
> >>
> >>She has to be at least 18, or this would be "kiddie porn". Also, she
> >>is a Harvard graduate and no Doogie Howser.
> >
> >
> > Also an alcoholic, though I admit that doesn't necessarily mean she's
> > over 21.
> >
>
> The character 'Chloe Armstrong' is 23 years old. And just because she
> got drunk in one episode doesn't make her an alcoholic.
No, but drinking the gallons she was used to, and then realizing the
body she borrowed couldn't handle it suggests so.
Gisele
Hehehehe, you are bad!.......<g>
Gisele
Legend11
I'll take a dive in the fifth....you can clean up. ;)
Dragon Lady
"Gisele" <ilov...@nospamlycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CBF82B9BF3C9il...@94.75.244.46...
> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote in
> news:hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about
>>> that?
>>
>> bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect journalism
>> these days.
>>
>> She should try doing something useful for change....like the
>> housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL
>> ;)
>
> teenager, a male one at that. I know you don't like me saying that but
> geez...
A teenager? Most of the teenagers I know (male AND female) have better
sense than this. I won't tell you want he sounds like to me.....
Dragon Lady
"Legend11" <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:hdce02$8fm$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Gisele wrote:
>> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>> news:hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about
>>>> that?
>>> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of these
>>> bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect journalism
>>> these days.
>>>
>>> She should try doing something useful for change....like the
>>> housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL
>>> ;)
>>
>> Geez there Legend, don't hold anything back. I mean you sound like a
>> teenager
>
>
> You really need some new material, sweetcheeks. You're damn well boring me
> to tears.
>
> I never hold back where HUMOUR is concerned. All is fair game, when said
> jokingly.
Guess again. Offensive humor is just that: offensive.
Dragon Lady
"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2563e05f8...@news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <Xns9CBF82B9BF3C9il...@94.75.244.46>, iloveds9
> @nospamlycos.com says...
>> > She should try doing something useful for change....like the
>> > housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL
>> > ;)
>>
>> Geez there Legend, don't hold anything back. I mean you sound like a
>> geez...
>>
>>
>
In your dreams, Pete!
Women were gatherers before we even had "homes" as we mean it today.
Gatherers don't "stay home" unless they want to starve.
Dragon Lady
Dragon Lady
> cf wrote:
>> erilar wrote:
>>> In article <hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Watcher wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
>>> SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
>>> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
>>>> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of these
>>>> bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect journalism
>>>> these days.
>>>>
>>>> She should try doing something useful for change....like the housework,
>>>> or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner. LOL ;)
>>
>>> And having read that comment, I see I need to killfile you. Fare poorly.
>>>
>> Agree with you on that.
>
> I'm so cut up about that I just don't know what to do. I mean two...TWO
> faceless strangers I don't know from Adam or Eve. Jeebus, I'm so
> depressed.
Now *that* was funny!
Gisele
news:hddidj$kam$1...@news.telesweet.net:
>> And how realistic is it anyway, you transfer your conciousness to
>> another mans body(!) then you go screw your wife - really? Is that a
>> realistic thing to do? *g*
>>
> I'm expecting her to turn up pregnant.....
I really hope they don't go there.
Gisele
Dan
>In article <7964d$4af9b2a8$4c0aa3ea$27...@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
>i_m...@yahoo.ca says...
>
>> >> What makes a female character a "powerful woman" though? TJ is a medic
>> >> and third in charge of the expedition,
>> >
>> > She's third in charge by dint of accident
>>
>> She rose to the occasion all the same.
>
>Yeah - and she asked for advice! That alone should put her in the lead.
I was pleasantly surprised by the way she dealt with Rush - and I
got the impression he was, as well.
Dan
Seth
news:slrnhfk3rp.4ii...@shasta.marwnad.com...
> On 2009-11-11, Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a woman with a weapon when they were loading that
>>> shuttle who looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they
>>> done anything with her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each
>>> episode. How old is she supposed to be, 15?
>>
>> She has to be at least 18, or this would be "kiddie porn". Also, she
>> is a Harvard graduate and no Doogie Howser.
>
> Also an alcoholic, though I admit that doesn't necessarily mean she's
> over 21.
Getting drunk once makes her an alcoholic?
Pete B
Fetching the food for their man. How nice :)
> Gatherers don't "stay home" unless they want to starve.
Their hunter brings home the food :)
Pete B
> > And how realistic is it anyway, you transfer your conciousness to
> > another mans body(!) then you go screw your wife - really? Is that a
> > realistic thing to do? *g*
> >
> I'm expecting her to turn up pregnant.....
>
>
Expecting or fearing?
Pete B
@nospamlycos.com says...
The actress playing the medic is pregant - but we don't know if they
were shooting around that or making it part of the show.... !
Pete B
n...@spam.here.invalid says...
They have always seemed to have a better relationship going.
Mac Breck
> erilar wrote:
>> In article <hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A Watcher wrote:
>>
>>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about
>>>> that?
>> SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
>> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
>>> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of
>>> these bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect
>>> journalism these days.
>>>
>>> housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner.
>>> LOL ;)
>>
>> poorly.
>>
>
> feminist principles well you were likely a glint in your mother's eye.
LOL Oh, somehow I doubt that w.r.t. erilar.
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999) - "War Zone"
Galen (to Gideon): "I've been penalized before for helping other
people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."
Mark Nobles
> Mark Nobles wrote:
> > erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>> A Watcher wrote:
> >>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
> >> SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
> >> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
> >
> > But who, so far, has really had an opportunity to perform at all? It
> > looks to me like everyone is doing about as well as they can except for
> > Scott who went far beyond the call in Air. Both TJ & Eli have done much
> > better than expected as well, though not quite to Scott's level.
> >
> > The only person who has failed to rise to the occasion is Col. Young,
> > who has twice attempted to abandon his duty and failed due to
> > circumstances.
>
>
> Young? Which incidents are you referring to?
The first was when he set up the lottery to choose who would be on the
escape pod in "Light". The other was in "Water" when he decided he
would stay with Scott until Eli pulled a Deus out of his machina and
rescued them.
DJensen
> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark Nobles wrote:
>>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> A Watcher wrote:
>>>>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
>>>> SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
>>>> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
>>> But who, so far, has really had an opportunity to perform at all? It
>>> looks to me like everyone is doing about as well as they can except for
>>> Scott who went far beyond the call in Air. Both TJ & Eli have done much
>>> better than expected as well, though not quite to Scott's level.
>>>
>>> The only person who has failed to rise to the occasion is Col. Young,
>>> who has twice attempted to abandon his duty and failed due to
>>> circumstances.
>>
>> Young? Which incidents are you referring to?
>
> The first was when he set up the lottery to choose who would be on the
> escape pod in "Light". The other was in "Water" when he decided he
> would stay with Scott until Eli pulled a Deus out of his machina and
> rescued them.
Eli caused the ice quake that freed Scott? Really? You're making a fat joke?
--
DJensen
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> In article <hdanau$fj...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > A Watcher wrote:
> > > The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about that?
>
> SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
You mean, like Lt. Johannsen (the medic, I think her name is
Johanssen), when she ordered Greer back, so that *she* would release
the "dust aliens"? When she controlled him in another situation (on
the same show), which I seem to have misplaced in my memory, but I do
recall her yelling at him, and him backing off? She has performed
well beyond expectation (she doesn't want to be in charge, but she did
a *great* job, she isn't qualified to be a doctor, but she does a
*great* job).
erilar
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Legend11 wrote:
> > erilar wrote:
> >> In article <hdanau$fjd$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> Legend11 <Slith...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> A Watcher wrote:
> >>
> >>>> The characters are acting like real people. What's sexist about
> >>>> that?
> >> SOME real people perform well beyond expectation in rough situations.
> >> We seem to be missing that kind here, male or female.
> >>> It's not. It's just that this Maureen Ryan is apparently one of
> >>> these bra burning chip-on-the-shoulder feminist bints that infect
> >>> journalism these days.
> >>>
> >>> She should try doing something useful for change....like the
> >>> housework, or cooking her husband [or bull dyke partner's] dinner.
> >>> LOL ;)
> >>
> >> And having read that comment, I see I need to killfile you. Fare
> >> poorly.
> >>
> >
> > I was championing genuine
> > feminist principles well you were likely a glint in your mother's eye.
>
> LOL Oh, somehow I doubt that w.r.t. erilar.
That twit is older than 75???
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Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
Only when he's lucky.
Anim8rFSK
Gisele <ilov...@nospamlycos.com> wrote:
You know they will.
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> A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:_t-dndqEnPSxVmXX...@earthlink.com:
>
>> DJensen wrote:>>>> news:MPG.25618b33f...@74.209.131.10:
>>>>> Maureen Ryan who writes about TV for chicago tribune has been
>>>>> writing about Stargate Universe being ... not very good ...
>>>>> The "Stargate Universe" executive producer Brad Wright writes her
>>>>> and comments, among other things:
>>>>>
>>>>> "... there are enough viewers and reviewers who think SGU is
>>>>> neither boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air
>>>>> long after "V" is just a letter in the alphabet again."
>>>>>
>>>>> Hehe, show us a move Brad *g*
>>>>>
>>>>> http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/11/sta
>>>>> rga t e-universe-syfy-.html
>>>> I agree with Ryan and she explains things a lot better than I can
>>>> but I don't see where she sees sexism. Do programs "have to" have
>>>> strong, mature women in all of them? They had Weir in SGA and she
>>>> was great. They had Carter in SG1 and she was great. In SGU they
>>>> have Chloe. Oh wait, nevermind...<j/k> There's that nurse/doctor
>>>> woman as well. Tamara? Then they have the Asian woman. I still
>>>> don't see how the show is sexist.
>>> The sexism charge is aimed at Chloe, seemingly a helpless girl whose
>>> only achievement so far is bedding Lt Scott and crying, and Lt James
>>> (introduced mid-coitus), whose generous chest served as a sight gag
>>> (she has been given the nickname of Lt Hooters by fans).
>
> Oh OK, I missed the hooters......<g> Still, that's not necessarily
> sexist. As for Chloe, well, she's supposed to be a kid so she's behaving
> like one.
>
>>> I think it's far too early in the show's development, particularly
>>> considering how large the cast is, to say it's sexist. Not every
>>> character can have a prominent (and affirming) time in the spotlight
>>> when there's only been a handful of episodes.
>
> Well, it looks like they do have a set cast though. Pete gave me a link
> to a site that had the main characters, their pictures and names so I
> think she's going by that. In that case, she's right up to a point in the
> sense that there aren't any powerful women on the show. But again, do all
> shows have to have strong women? Moreover, I don't find the men to be all
> that strong either.
>
> Gisele
So what was she doing working for her father, who heaped a boatload of
praise on her accomplishments at the dinner party before all this
started?? Her title is "executive assistant"--the Senator's
quote:SENATOR: "Now, being a proud father of a beautiful young woman is
one thing; having that young woman exceed every possible expectation is
quite another." cont.
SENATOR: "... my daughter Chloe who reminded me that there was no
greater endeavour than seeking an understanding of who we are and the
mysteries of the universe in which we all exist."
ARMSTRONG (quietly, to Eli): "Not in those exact words."
(She reaches for a bottle of wine and refills her glass.)
SENATOR: "It was also her idea to embed the Ancient proof in a medium
that would give us access to brilliant young minds ..." (he gestures at
Eli) "... that we would have otherwise overlooked."
Hardly an airheaded bimbo just there for sex appeal. IMO there's a lot
more to Chloe than what you see on the surface.
whodunit
with Telford-in-Young's-body's child--dude, I hope he's got a lot of
money in the bank because those child support checks are a killer! ;-)
Jette Goldie
> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Well, it looks like they do have a set cast though. Pete gave me a link
>>> to a site that had the main characters, their pictures and names so I
>>> think she's going by that. In that case, she's right up to a point in the
>>> sense that there aren't any powerful women on the show.
>> looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they done anything with
>> her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each episode. How old is she
>> supposed to be, 15?
>
> She has to be at least 18, or this would be "kiddie porn". Also, she is
> a Harvard graduate and no Doogie Howser.
>
She's been to college and seems to be legal to drink (at least her
boyfriend and "soon to be ex-best friend" are), which makes her 21 in
the US.
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>
> Young is not strong, but stupid. Scott is strong and smart. TJ is
> strong and smart. Eli is smart and strong enough. Rush is smart, but
> I'm not sure if he is really strong or simply doesn't recognize danger.
The characters are still in flux - witness the way Young developed in
the episode "Earth" and "grew a pair" with the committee back home.
Jette Goldie
> On 2009-11-11, Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> shuttle who looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they
>>> done anything with her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each
>>> episode. How old is she supposed to be, 15?
>> She has to be at least 18, or this would be "kiddie porn". Also, she
>> is a Harvard graduate and no Doogie Howser.
>
> over 21.
>
She's had a drink or two - that does NOT make her an alcoholic. She
did comment that she rarely gets drunk, when she clearly was - but how
much of that was she wasn't in her own body and her "borrowed" body
has a different tolerance for alcohol?
If she was an alcoholic, we'd see her really suffering on Destiny.
whodunit
sort of depression meds/treatment and may have dealt with her at some
point on Icaraus base.
Mac Breck
LOL Now wait a minute, you'd probably have to add 20 or 25 years to
that to be of an age where he/she would be "championing genuine feminist
principles" so make that older than say 100. ;-)
Legend11
Women are better at men in most of the important ways, we just don't
acknowledge it. :)
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Legend11
> Mark Nobles wrote:
>>
>> Young is not strong, but stupid. Scott is strong and smart. TJ is
>> strong and smart. Eli is smart and strong enough. Rush is smart, but
>> I'm not sure if he is really strong or simply doesn't recognize danger.
>
> The characters are still in flux - witness the way Young developed in
> the episode "Earth" and "grew a pair" with the committee back home.
>
>
Exactly. They're being scorned for not being the ready made heroes of
SG-1 and Atlantis. Personally, I have patience.
Gisele
Oh well...
Gisele
Pete B
@btinternet.com says...
> Paul Arthur wrote:
> > On 2009-11-11, Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> There was a woman with a weapon when they were loading that
> >>> shuttle who looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they
> >>> done anything with her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each
> >>> episode. How old is she supposed to be, 15?
> >> She has to be at least 18, or this would be "kiddie porn". Also, she
> >> is a Harvard graduate and no Doogie Howser.
> >
> > Also an alcoholic, though I admit that doesn't necessarily mean she's
> > over 21.
> >
>
>
> She's had a drink or two -
You counted?
> did comment that she rarely gets drunk,
In what episode?
Chloe: I'm not even drunk at all.
Eli: Really? Because you seem drunk.
Chloe: My head's just all foggy.
Usually it makes me feel better.
At least for a little while.
Dave
<jgold...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Paul Arthur wrote:
>> On 2009-11-11, Mark Nobles <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There was a woman with a weapon when they were loading that
>>>> shuttle who looked as if she might be a strong one. Have they
>>>> done anything with her. Chloe, however, grates more and more each
>>>> episode. How old is she supposed to be, 15?
>>> She has to be at least 18, or this would be "kiddie porn". Also, she
>>> is a Harvard graduate and no Doogie Howser.
>>
>> Also an alcoholic, though I admit that doesn't necessarily mean she's
>> over 21.
>>
>
>
>She's had a drink or two - that does NOT make her an alcoholic. She
>did comment that she rarely gets drunk, when she clearly was - but how
>much of that was she wasn't in her own body and her "borrowed" body
>has a different tolerance for alcohol?
>
>If she was an alcoholic, we'd see her really suffering on Destiny.
Slamming mixed drinks like they were water while telling Eli that it
"usually makes [her] feel better, at least for a while" makes her a
drunk. She didn't say that she rarely gets drunk, she said "I'm not
drunk" just before saying the above quote. She's totally confused by
the feeling of actually being smashed because clearly her own body has
a much higher alcohol tolerance.
Plus, if her mother really is a drunk as everyone here thinks she is
then it's even more likely that Chloe is too. Or will be.
I agree though, that we should be seeing signs of it on Destiny,
unless Chloe has a limited supply that she's been nursing. I'll be
surprised if a future episode doesn't address the alcoholism.
Legend11
I've seen real alcoholics suffering the come down, as well as people
addicted to hard drugs in withdrawal, and there is much similarity in
the symptoms. Therefore if she was a *real* alcoholic, she'd be in
withdrawals on Destiny...and believe me, we'd know about it. However,
she may have a drink problem...which isn't necessarily the same as being
a full blown alcoholic.
Mark Nobles
Was that it? I thought he sent one of his flying machines in to pull
him loose. Or was that just when I was yelling at Young to use the damn
flying sled sitting there next to him?