SGU: This week no sex!
Pete B
Or so promises Mallozzi
ooh, the excitement! *g*
Legend-11
> Or so promises Mallozzi
>
> ooh, the excitement! *g*
I'm just wondering what you'll do to occupy your hands now, Pete. What
with no Lt Hooters to pleasure yourself over. Cough! ;)
spi...@freenet.co.uk
Why no Lt Hooters? (ahem)
No-one on destiny will end up dying. Scott saw to that.
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Pete B
@dropallthisgooglemail.com says...
Hey retard, I just wrote that I was looking forward to the promise of
none of that teen porn.
Gisele
> And verily, didst Legend-11 <Slith...@dropallthisgooglemail.com>
> hastily babble thusly:
>> Pete B wrote:
>>> Or so promises Mallozzi
>>>
>>> ooh, the excitement! *g*
>>
>> I'm just wondering what you'll do to occupy your hands now, Pete.
>> What with no Lt Hooters to pleasure yourself over. Cough! ;)
>
> Why no Lt Hooters? (ahem)
> No-one on destiny will end up dying. Scott saw to that.
Yeah, I was so happy. I thought, we got rid of so many of them,
especially Chloe, Eli, TJ and Young....:/ Again with the "young adult"
angst and Eli. Oh well, at least this one was interesting up to a point.
I really hope they are done with the jerky camera stuff though; reallly
annoying to watch.
Gisele
Gisele
Gisele
@news.usenetserver.com:
Oh don't bother with Legend. He's just being curmudgeonly again. Legend,
I thought we were going to be civil in this newsgroup......;o)
What did you guys think of the episode? I wasn't too happy to have to go
through all that jerky camera work and have them all survive in the end.
I really thought they *might* get rid of at least one of them i.e. Chloe.
But no, it looks like they all survive.....:o(
Gisele
whodunit
'hiccups' every few minutes--WE GET IT ALREADY! Stop now. JUST STOP.
Thought we were done with it when Greer shot it, until Eli fixed it
with duct tape, LOL.
Does the kino count as a deux ex machina??
Gisele
news:hdmni8$utj$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Gisele wrote:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote in news:89o2t6-...@librarian.sky.com:
>>
>>> And verily, didst Legend-11 <Slith...@dropallthisgooglemail.com>
>>> hastily babble thusly:
>>>> Pete B wrote:
>>>>> Or so promises Mallozzi
>>>>>
>>>>> ooh, the excitement! *g*
>>>> I'm just wondering what you'll do to occupy your hands now, Pete.
>>>> What with no Lt Hooters to pleasure yourself over. Cough! ;)
>>> Why no Lt Hooters? (ahem)
>>> No-one on destiny will end up dying. Scott saw to that.
>>
>> Yeah, I was so happy. I thought, we got rid of so many of them,
>> especially Chloe, Eli, TJ and Young....:/ Again with the "young
>> adult" angst and Eli. Oh well, at least this one was interesting up
>> to a point. I really hope they are done with the jerky camera stuff
>> though; reallly annoying to watch.
>>
>> Gisele
>>
>> Gisele
>>
> Agreed! Kino-cam got on my nerves after awhile. Especially the little
> 'hiccups' every few minutes--WE GET IT ALREADY! Stop now. JUST STOP.
Yeah, really.
> Thought we were done with it when Greer shot it, until Eli fixed it
> with duct tape, LOL.
Hehe
> Does the kino count as a deux ex machina??
Don't think so.
Gisele
Pete B
ilov...@nospamlycos.com says...
> What did you guys think of the episode? I wasn't too happy to have to go
> through all that jerky camera work and have them all survive in the end.
> I really thought they *might* get rid of at least one of them i.e. Chloe.
> But no, it looks like they all survive.....:o(
>
>
Yeah what a tease!
Pete B
@nospamlycos.com says...
> > Agreed! Kino-cam got on my nerves after awhile. Especially the little
> > 'hiccups' every few minutes--WE GET IT ALREADY! Stop now. JUST STOP.
>
> Yeah, really.
>
Looks like some damn computer game when they do that.
rwgibson13
wrote:
Lt Hooters apparently now has a website:
http://www.juliabensononline.com/2009/10/in-last-two-days-i-have-started-blog.html
"I play 2nd Lt. Vanessa James and for all the talk about my natural
(and believe me they are 100%) assets I promise you that there is much
more to my character."
RWG (here's to natural assets :-)
Gisele
Hehehe, yeah, getting our hopes up like that. Shame on them....;o)
Gisele
Gisele
> Does the kino count as a deux ex machina??
Actually, I think you are right. I always thought it had to do with a god
or god-like creature saving the day but it's more than that. The word
"sudden" stands in the definition below but I'd say that last scene with
Scott throwing the Kino into the gate fits. Just rechecked the definition
of Deus ex machina to make sure and it says this:
n.
1. In Greek and Roman drama, a god lowered by stage machinery to
resolve a plot or extricate the protagonist from a difficult situation.
2. An unexpected, artificial, or improbable character, device, or event
introduced suddenly in a work of fiction or drama to resolve a situation
or untangle a plot.
3. A person or event that provides a sudden and unexpected solution to
a difficulty.
So Scott fits #3 and the Kino fits # 2.
Gisele
JM Morrison
> whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:hdmni8$utj$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Gisele wrote:
>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote in news:89o2t6-...@librarian.sky.com:
>>>
>>>> And verily, didst Legend-11 <Slith...@dropallthisgooglemail.com>
>>>> hastily babble thusly:
>>>>> Pete B wrote:
>>>>>> Or so promises Mallozzi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ooh, the excitement! *g*
>>>>> I'm just wondering what you'll do to occupy your hands now, Pete.
>>>>> What with no Lt Hooters to pleasure yourself over. Cough! ;)
>>>> Why no Lt Hooters? (ahem)
>>>> No-one on destiny will end up dying. Scott saw to that.
>>> Yeah, I was so happy. I thought, we got rid of so many of them,
>>> especially Chloe, Eli, TJ and Young....:/ Again with the "young
>>> adult" angst and Eli. Oh well, at least this one was interesting up
>>> to a point. I really hope they are done with the jerky camera stuff
>>> though; reallly annoying to watch.
>>>
>>> Gisele
>>>
>>> Gisele
>>>
>> Agreed! Kino-cam got on my nerves after awhile. Especially the little
>> 'hiccups' every few minutes--WE GET IT ALREADY! Stop now. JUST STOP.
>
> Yeah, really.
Thirded.
>
>> Thought we were done with it when Greer shot it, until Eli fixed it
>> with duct tape, LOL.
>
> Hehe
>
>> Does the kino count as a deux ex machina??
>
> Don't think so.
The magic know-it-all ship does though, stopping at a planet that just
happens to have the solution (the venomous creatures) to the problem
(the water bugs) they didn't know they had. All on top of the
conveniently flaring star *and* time travel *and* the kino. And these
water bugs were apparently different from the sand bugs they picked up
last time - and somehow thrive in a warm oxygen rich environment like a
human body when their native habitat is a figid CO2 atmosphere.
Cooper stole from himself with that 'why do people wait' line -
something Carter said to Daniel when he was actually dying after years
of working together. Whereas Eli has known Chloe for what, days? Weeks?
This after she has pointedly made it clear she's not interested in
him, and his little crush looks pathetic and cheap.
Then to top it off - a non-ending that turns even the weakest time
travel story into an 'it was all a dream' episode.
Really really disappointed.
-jmm
DJensen
> Gisele wrote:
>> whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote in news:89o2t6-...@librarian.sky.com:
>>>>> And verily, didst Legend-11 <Slith...@dropallthisgooglemail.com>
>>>>> hastily babble thusly:
>>>>>> Pete B wrote:
>>>>>>> Or so promises Mallozzi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ooh, the excitement! *g*
>>>>>> I'm just wondering what you'll do to occupy your hands now, Pete.
>>>>>> What with no Lt Hooters to pleasure yourself over. Cough! ;)
>>>>> Why no Lt Hooters? (ahem)
>>>>> No-one on destiny will end up dying. Scott saw to that.
>>>> Yeah, I was so happy. I thought, we got rid of so many of them,
>>>> especially Chloe, Eli, TJ and Young....:/ Again with the "young
>>>> adult" angst and Eli. Oh well, at least this one was interesting up
>>>> to a point. I really hope they are done with the jerky camera stuff
>>>> though; reallly annoying to watch.
>>>>
>>> 'hiccups' every few minutes--WE GET IT ALREADY! Stop now. JUST STOP.
>>
>> Yeah, really.
>
> Thirded.
>
>>> Thought we were done with it when Greer shot it, until Eli fixed it
>>> with duct tape, LOL.
>>
>> Hehe
>>
>>> Does the kino count as a deux ex machina??
>>
>> Don't think so.
>
> The magic know-it-all ship does though, stopping at a planet that just
> happens to have the solution (the venomous creatures) to the problem
> (the water bugs) they didn't know they had. All on top of the
I don't think the ship was acting on that knowledge. And if it was, why
not use the ship's purification systems TJ mentioned?
> conveniently flaring star *and* time travel *and* the kino. And these
> water bugs were apparently different from the sand bugs they picked up
> last time - and somehow thrive in a warm oxygen rich environment like a
> human body when their native habitat is a figid CO2 atmosphere.
The microbes in the water were not the flying swarming nanites, they're
microorganisms that were frozen in the ice.
--
DJensen
DJensen
Not at all. It's neither sudden or unexpected, since the episode starts
with the crew watching a kino that was serving a similar purpose.
--
DJensen
JM Morrison
Because if they aren't using the ship as an excuse, then it was pure
coincidence that they *just happened* to stop at this one planet that
*just happened* to have the cure for a disease that kills within 12 hrs
of symptoms appearing.
Somehow the microbes got through the filtration system. Obviously.
Either the ship knew the water was contaminated, and the filtration
system was inadequate, or the ship detected the illness before the crew
did and sent them to this planet, leaving the problem of what to do with
the rest of the water for later.
Or the ship knew nothing and it was purely a writer's lazy coincidence.
>
>> conveniently flaring star *and* time travel *and* the kino. And these
>> water bugs were apparently different from the sand bugs they picked up
>> last time - and somehow thrive in a warm oxygen rich environment like
>> a human body when their native habitat is a figid CO2 atmosphere.
>
> The microbes in the water were not the flying swarming nanites, they're
> microorganisms that were frozen in the ice.
>
>
That's what I said. Microorganisms that naturally live in a CO2
environment do not do well in an oxygen rich one. And vice versa.
Extremophiles that can grow and live in the environment of the ice
planet are not infectious to humans because they can't stand the heat of
a human body. Yes, I know, you can hand wave all this off with alien
biology being different from Earth based life. Still.
-jmm
Pete B
ilov...@nospamlycos.com says...
> whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:hdmni8$utj$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > Does the kino count as a deux ex machina??
>
> Actually, I think you are right. I always thought it had to do with a god
> or god-like creature saving the day but it's more than that. The word
> "sudden" stands in the definition below but I'd say that last scene with
> Scott throwing the Kino into the gate fits.
And they are repeating themselves, remember "2010" (from 2001) - Carter
runs towards the stargate whilst getting laser zapped, and just manages
to throw a note through the gate - which because of the concurrent solar
flare ends up back in time, with a warning to crew never to go to the
Ashen homeworld, because if they did humanity would end up dead :)
Of course then they stood around mumbling for a while, here they had run
out of time ;)
Pete B
says...
No, we just followed the timeline where they did - in a million others
the crew died horribly ;)
Gisele
news:%8DLm.11704$Sw5....@newsfe16.iad:
> The magic know-it-all ship does though, stopping at a planet that just
> happens to have the solution (the venomous creatures) to the problem
> (the water bugs) they didn't know they had. All on top of the
> conveniently flaring star *and* time travel *and* the kino. And these
> water bugs were apparently different from the sand bugs they picked up
> last time - and somehow thrive in a warm oxygen rich environment like
> a human body when their native habitat is a figid CO2 atmosphere.
>
> Cooper stole from himself with that 'why do people wait' line -
> something Carter said to Daniel when he was actually dying after years
> of working together. Whereas Eli has known Chloe for what, days?
> Weeks?
> This after she has pointedly made it clear she's not interested in
> him, and his little crush looks pathetic and cheap.
>
> Then to top it off - a non-ending that turns even the weakest time
> travel story into an 'it was all a dream' episode.
>
> Really really disappointed.
Wow, excellent analysis! I liked this ep a bit more than the others I've
seen if only because it had twists in it but in the end, what you describe
above is what it really is, crap!
Gisele
Gisele
news:dad5c$4aff047c$4c0aa3ea$29...@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free:
Yes, but we didn't know till the very end that said Kino would be what
saves them.
Gisele
Gisele
Yep
> Of course then they stood around mumbling for a while, here they had
> run out of time ;)
Heh
Gisele
DJensen
> DJensen wrote:
>> JM Morrison wrote:
>>> Gisele wrote:
>>>> whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>>> 'hiccups' every few minutes--WE GET IT ALREADY! Stop now. JUST STOP.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, really.
>>>
>>> Thirded.
>>>
>>>>> Thought we were done with it when Greer shot it, until Eli fixed it
>>>>> with duct tape, LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Hehe
>>>>
>>>>> Does the kino count as a deux ex machina??
>>>>
>>>> Don't think so.
>>>
>>> The magic know-it-all ship does though, stopping at a planet that
>>> just happens to have the solution (the venomous creatures) to the
>>> problem (the water bugs) they didn't know they had. All on top of the
>>
>> I don't think the ship was acting on that knowledge. And if it was,
>> why not use the ship's purification systems TJ mentioned?
>
> Because if they aren't using the ship as an excuse, then it was pure
> coincidence that they *just happened* to stop at this one planet that
> *just happened* to have the cure for a disease that kills within 12 hrs
> of symptoms appearing.
>
> Somehow the microbes got through the filtration system. Obviously.
> Either the ship knew the water was contaminated, and the filtration
> system was inadequate, or the ship detected the illness before the crew
> did and sent them to this planet, leaving the problem of what to do with
> the rest of the water for later.
I have a bigger problem with the ship detecting/deducing all this and
*not telling anyone* while it nudges them in the direction of the
solution, than with it all being coincidental. What kind of crappy AI
detects a fatal illness and does nothing to alert the crew/passengers to
this? No klaxxons or flashing red lights, no doors slamming shut? Why
bother doing *anything* to save them if the best it can offer is letting
them gate to a planet and figure it out for themselves? At least with
'Air' and 'Water' it was stated Rush had told the ship what the problem
was and the ship's solution came from that.
> Or the ship knew nothing and it was purely a writer's lazy coincidence.
What's one more coincidence in a chain of coincidences?
--
DJensen
DJensen
> DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote in
>> Gisele wrote:
>>> Actually, I think you are right. I always thought it had to do with
>>> a god or god-like creature saving the day but it's more than that.
>>> The word "sudden" stands in the definition below but I'd say that
>>> last scene with Scott throwing the Kino into the gate fits. Just
>>> rechecked the definition of Deus ex machina to make sure and it says
>>> this:
>>>
>>> n.
>>> 1. In Greek and Roman drama, a god lowered by stage machinery to
>>> resolve a plot or extricate the protagonist from a difficult
>>> situation.
>>> 2. An unexpected, artificial, or improbable character, device, or
>>> event
>>> introduced suddenly in a work of fiction or drama to resolve a
>>> situation or untangle a plot.
>>> 3. A person or event that provides a sudden and unexpected
>>> solution to
>>> a difficulty.
>>>
>>> So Scott fits #3 and the Kino fits # 2.
>> Not at all. It's neither sudden or unexpected, since the episode
>> starts with the crew watching a kino that was serving a similar
>> purpose.
>
> Yes, but we didn't know till the very end that said Kino would be what
> saves them.
This episode didn't introduce kinos or any as yet unknown feature, and
the solar flare + wormhole = time travel thing was established in SG1
(and used in a similar way in the Aschen episode, as I recall). They'd
already (albeit inadvertently) used the kino to send a message backwards
once at the start of the episode; doing it (intentionally) again at the
end of the episode doesn't make it a DEM.
If we're going to apply a literary term to the kino's function in this
episode, then Chekhov's Gun is a better fit.
--
DJensen
Pete B
i_m...@yahoo.ca says...
> Why
> bother doing *anything* to save them if the best it can offer is letting
> them gate to a planet and figure it out for themselves?
>
Maybe its testing them!
David Milligan
"Gisele" <ilov...@nospamlycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CC38C4AD4B5Ail...@69.16.185.252...
time-travel loop with different people dying each time. If not, how are
they supposed to save the poisoned people on the ship without going to the
planet? Is this what the rest of the season is going to be?
--
David E. Milligan
http://daviderl31.blogspot.com/
JM Morrison
>>
> I didn't understand. It looked to me like it was just an infinite
> time-travel loop with different people dying each time. If not, how are
> they supposed to save the poisoned people on the ship without going to the
> planet? Is this what the rest of the season is going to be?
>
Not infinite. The one they didn't show was when they find Scott's
message - direct and to the point about what happened - so that they
have the time to capture the creatures in the daylight before Destiny
leaves.
-jmm
JM Morrison
I think Rush exaggerates his influence over the ship, personally. I
prefer to think that the ship detected the sand bugs, and stopped at
that planet to get them off the ship. If it stopped there as a source
of replenishing the water - that is probably the worst possible choice
it could have made.
But it just points out that the magic AI ship is a lot more trouble than
it is worth, just in terms of story-telling. We have no rules yet about
what it can and can't do. That is a recipe for a writing disaster.
>> Or the ship knew nothing and it was purely a writer's lazy coincidence.
>
> What's one more coincidence in a chain of coincidences?
>
>
Think of each event in a plot as a brick in a wall. If they are logical
and supported, you're laying the bricks correctly. If you're using
coincidence you're stacking the bricks long ends on top of each other.
It doesn't take long before they all topple over into a mess.
-jmm
Gisele
news:3f92$4aff2b92$4c0aa3ea$22...@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free:
I see your point.
Gisele
Pete B
says...
> DJensen wrote:
> > JM Morrison wrote:
> >>
> >> Somehow the microbes got through the filtration system. Obviously.
> >> Either the ship knew the water was contaminated, and the filtration
> >> system was inadequate, or the ship detected the illness before the
> >> crew did and sent them to this planet, leaving the problem of what to
> >> do with the rest of the water for later.
> >
> > I have a bigger problem with the ship detecting/deducing all this and
> > *not telling anyone* while it nudges them in the direction of the
> > solution, than with it all being coincidental. What kind of crappy AI
> > detects a fatal illness and does nothing to alert the crew/passengers to
> > this? No klaxxons or flashing red lights, no doors slamming shut? Why
> > bother doing *anything* to save them if the best it can offer is letting
> > them gate to a planet and figure it out for themselves? At least with
> > 'Air' and 'Water' it was stated Rush had told the ship what the problem
> > was and the ship's solution came from that.
>
> I think Rush exaggerates his influence over the ship, personally.
He keeps saying he can't control anything - funny kind of exaggeration.
> But it just points out that the magic AI ship is a lot more trouble than
> it is worth, just in terms of story-telling. We have no rules yet about
> what it can and can't do. That is a recipe for a writing disaster.
I'm just assuming its on auto pilot, and hasn't made any choices on
behalf of the new crew.
Legend-11
>
> I really hope they are done with the jerky camera stuff though; reallly
> annoying to watch.
>
>
Well at least this time there was an excuse within the story for it,
rather than the normal artistic reasons. It was simply Kinovision.
Where was this "angst" you speak of? Last week I tended to agree that
there was something akin to it, although I wouldn't quite sum it up with
that annoying buzzword myself, but in this episode? You're not expecting
these young adults to attain the high standards of control and calm in
life-threatening situations as the older, wiser, more experienced,
trained military types on Destiny, are you? As that would be
particularly unfair IMO.
--
Legend-11.
"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence" - Leonard
'Bones' McCoy, Star Trek (2009).
Legend-11
> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in news:MPG.2568e7215a24b08398da78
> @news.usenetserver.com:
>
>> In article <hdlk6h$kaa$2...@news.eternal-september.org>, Slitheen23
>> @dropallthisgooglemail.com says...
>>> Pete B wrote:
>>>> Or so promises Mallozzi
>>>>
>>>> ooh, the excitement! *g*
>>> I'm just wondering what you'll do to occupy your hands now, Pete. What
>>> with no Lt Hooters to pleasure yourself over. Cough! ;)
>>>
>> none of that teen porn.
>
> Oh don't bother with Legend. He's just being curmudgeonly again. Legend,
> I thought we were going to be civil in this newsgroup......;o)
>
I was being civil....what do you mean? Cough! ;)
It's just a play on the theory that those who complain the hardest over
things of a sexual nature are usually hung up about their own sexual
nature. Freud wrote quite a bit on such things, I'm told. :)
LOL at "curmudgeonly". Coming from one who complains so much, I rather
think that is a little posh. The cheek of it, my dear. :D
Harold Groot
wrote:
>What did you guys think of the episode? I wasn't too happy to have to go
>through all that jerky camera work and have them all survive in the end.
>I really thought they *might* get rid of at least one of them i.e. Chloe.
>But no, it looks like they all survive.....:o(
Well, let's see now. They had the Big Desert planet (Tatooine), then
in the next ep. they had the Big Ice planet (Hoth), and now this one
is - what, Big Swamp (Degobah) or Big Forest (Endor)? Then there is a
bit of going back in time (Star Wars 1 compared to 4/5/6), so what
should be happening next week - pod racing? And then maybe the whole
thing over in just a little bit? (Phew - for a moment there I thought
we were in trouble.)
Nah, they'll probably just start in on some other Movie Franchise.
Legend-11
And of course as the SG-1 episode in question was interspersed with the
endless witty banter of one Jack O'Neill, we won't be bashing its
equally stretched take on the old, time honoured time travel loop story.
We'll all keep quiet about that. Actually, I bet you wished you never
raised that point now. ;)
Pete B
says...
> The magic know-it-all ship does though, stopping at a planet that just
> happens to have the solution (the venomous creatures) to the problem
> (the water bugs) they didn't know they had. All on top of the
> conveniently flaring star *and* time travel *and* the kino
>
Or the ship just happened to stop at a planet at random - and the only
coincidence was the solar flare.
Rush gets sent back in time, killed by the creatures and THEN they start
developing a cured for the disease which killed him to be picked up by a
future iteration ;)
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> I didn't understand. It looked to me like it was just an infinite
> time-travel loop with different people dying each time. If not, how are
> they supposed to save the poisoned people on the ship without going to the
> planet? Is this what the rest of the season is going to be?
>
Star trek the next generation
Cause and effect.
"ALL HANDS ABANDON SHIP! I REPEAT! ALL HANDS ABAND"*BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*
They have been through the loop several times, it seems, though it's not an
infinite one because the kino they originally found did not contain the
information they required. (Recall they also found human remains, obviously
someone in a previous loop attempted to use the gate and ended up further
back in time still, just as jumping through the gate early in 1969 propelled
SG1 far into the future.).
They have PLENTY of time to collect one of the beasties before the flare
hits, with the correct knowledge at the outset.
At least 12 hours from gating to the planet the first time to finding the
gate malfunctioning. And if the info Scott left was sufficient they can get
the creatures during the day when they're asleep.
--
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Gisele
news:hdnm6e$vfp$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Gisele wrote:
>>
>> I really hope they are done with the jerky camera stuff though;
>> reallly annoying to watch.
>>
>> Gisele
>>
>
> Well at least this time there was an excuse within the story for it,
> rather than the normal artistic reasons. It was simply Kinovision.
>
> Where was this "angst" you speak of? Last week I tended to agree that
> there was something akin to it, although I wouldn't quite sum it up
> with that annoying buzzword myself, but in this episode? You're not
> expecting these young adults to attain the high standards of control
> and calm in life-threatening situations as the older, wiser, more
> experienced, trained military types on Destiny, are you? As that would
> be particularly unfair IMO.
I'm talking about Eli as he whimpers, err tells his life story and also
his crying over Chloe's death as though he had known her for all his life,
etc.
Gisele
Gisele
in
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What, you don't like my cheeks?
Gisele
Fallen
I was watching the episode and got a completely different read seemingly
to everyone else.
I assumed that the reason the venom from the bugs on the planet cured
the infection was that they 'were' the infection. We were told the
microorganisms were growing, fairly rapidly, and everyone was infected.
Rush went back in time on that planet and seemingly died. I just assumed
the organisms from him continued to grow until the time we originally
saw. So the creatures venom was killing themselves when they were tiny.
Fallen.
Pete B
@nospamlycos.com says...
>
> I'm talking about Eli as he whimpers, err tells his life story and also
> his crying over Chloe's death as though he had known her for all his life,
> etc.
He doesn't know love from lust ;)
Pete B
@nospamlycos.com says...
> so much, I rather
> > think that is a little posh. The cheek of it, my
> dear. :D
>
> What, you don't like my cheeks?
>
Have you been showing pictures when I wasn't looking?
Dimensional Traveler
whatever variety) die.
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Legend-11
I would think getting emotional and spilling your heart out because your
mum contracted HIV is not something that only a young person would do,
somehow - I can't imagine what I would be like if something happened to
my mum like that. You're not telling him to tough up, are you? Have a
little compassion.
Legend-11
I'm sure I would love them. LOL
DJensen
Wow. Interesting idea.
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>> Rush went back in time on that planet and seemingly died. I just assumed
>> the organisms from him continued to grow until the time we originally
>> saw. So the creatures venom was killing themselves when they were tiny.
>
> Wow. Interesting idea.
>
Also takes into account the different climate.
Putting something that's naturally a microbe into a completely different
environment might not kill it, it might give it an unstoppable turbo-boost.
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David Milligan
<spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
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And they couldn't have explained it like you did???
AC
"Harold Groot" <que...@infionline.net> wrote in message
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And the "original" planet you would have visited would have been?
SW pretty much used every common environment possible. Its SW that was
unoriginal.
AC
Seth
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>
> I have a bigger problem with the ship detecting/deducing all this and *not
> telling anyone* while it nudges them in the direction of the solution,
> than with it all being coincidental. What kind of crappy AI detects a
> fatal illness and does nothing to alert the crew/passengers to this? No
> klaxxons or flashing red lights, no doors slamming shut? Why bother doing
> *anything* to save them if the best it can offer is letting them gate to a
> planet and figure it out for themselves? At least with 'Air' and 'Water'
> it was stated Rush had told the ship what the problem was and the ship's
> solution came from that.
The ship's AI is "ascended" and can't tell them directly. Only nudge just
enough to not get in trouble with the other ascended beings...
Pete B
says...
> And verily, didst DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> hastily babble thusly:
> >> Rush went back in time on that planet and seemingly died. I just assumed
> >> the organisms from him continued to grow until the time we originally
> >> saw. So the creatures venom was killing themselves when they were tiny.
> >
> > Wow. Interesting idea.
> >
> Works for me...
> Also takes into account the different climate.
> Putting something that's naturally a microbe into a completely different
> environment might not kill it, it might give it an unstoppable turbo-boost.
But is it logical that a creatures venom would kill itself?
Pete B
@yahoo.com says...
> > the creatures during the day when they're asleep.
> > --
>
> And they couldn't have explained it like you did???
Sure they could, but they figure by not doing it, the kiddies will work
it out and then think its superior story telling ;)
Pete B
says...
> Pete B wrote:
> > In article <Xns9CC3EC7491298il...@94.75.244.46>, iloveds9
> > @nospamlycos.com says...
> >> I'm talking about Eli as he whimpers, err tells his life story and also
> >> his crying over Chloe's death as though he had known her for all his life,
> >> etc.
> >
> > He doesn't know love from lust ;)
> >
> Or he's stressed, tired, over-worked and is watching a friend (of
> whatever variety) die.
Well, I felt like hitting someone - so I guess David Blue did the job
well.
erilar
Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
The original smallpox inoculation(before cowpox) was actually smallpox.
--
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erilar
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Pete B wrote:
> > In article <Xns9CC3EC7491298il...@94.75.244.46>, iloveds9
> > @nospamlycos.com says...
> >> I'm talking about Eli as he whimpers, err tells his life story and also
> >> his crying over Chloe's death as though he had known her for all his life,
> >> etc.
> >
> > He doesn't know love from lust ;)
> >
> Or he's stressed, tired, over-worked and is watching a friend (of
> whatever variety) die.
It also sounded as if he did think of her as a friend.
Jette Goldie
Which didn't actually *kill* the virus - just allowed the body to
develop defenses against it.
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Pete B
dra...@chibardun.net.invalid says...
But when we inoculate ourselves it is our bodies who build the
defense...
>
JM Morrison
More interesting than what they gave us, even if even more wildly unlikely.
-jmm
JM Morrison
> erilar wrote:
>> In article <MPG.256a278d8...@news.usenetserver.com>,
>> Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <mr25t6-...@librarian.sky.com>, spi...@freenet.co.uk
>>> says...
>>>> And verily, didst DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> hastily babble thusly:
>>>>>> Rush went back in time on that planet and seemingly died. I just
>>>>>> assumed the organisms from him continued to grow until the time we
>>>>>> originally saw. So the creatures venom was killing themselves when
>>>>>> they were tiny.
>>>>> Wow. Interesting idea.
>>>>>
>>>> Works for me...
>>>> Also takes into account the different climate.
>>>> Putting something that's naturally a microbe into a completely
>>>> different
>>>> environment might not kill it, it might give it an unstoppable
>>>> turbo-boost.
>>> But is it logical that a creatures venom would kill itself?
>>
>> The original smallpox inoculation(before cowpox) was actually smallpox.
>>
>
>
> Which didn't actually *kill* the virus - just allowed the body to
> develop defenses against it.
>
Exactly. The immune response comes from the host body, so that
subsequent exposure results in swift and effective response, kills the
infection right away.
-jmm
Gisele
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No, you don't understand. It's not what he was saying
or whatever, it is the fact that again, they had these
sorts of scenes.
Gisele
Gisele
> In article <Xns9CC3ED0C83375iloveds9nospamlycosc@
94.75.244.46>,
> iloveds9 @nospamlycos.com says...
>> so much, I rather
>> > think that is a little posh. The cheek of it, my
>> dear. :D
>>
>> What, you don't like my cheeks?
>>
>
>
> Have you been showing pictures when I wasn't looking?
Lol... yes and you missed them so there......;o)
Gisele
Gisele
in
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Ohhhh, Legend....;o)
Gisele
Fallen
Logical? Doubtful, but certainly plausible. Lots of poisonous animals
can kill others of their own species with their venom and I believe
certain kinds of venomous animals can in fact kill themselves if they
somehow managed to bite themselves.
Fallen.
Fallen
Ta, I didn't realise I was seeing anything odd until I read the group
and nobody else had mentioned it :) Could be completely wrong of course,
just seemed like what they were going for by mentioning how quickly the
organisms were growing and then the things on the planet being bugs.
Fallen.
Dimensional Traveler
years of evolution (minimum) and there was no indication that Rush had
gone back that far.
Fallen
That's not really a 'fact' is it. They'd grown from a size not visible
by microscopes to a size quite obviously visible using one in a matter
of days. Introduce them to a completely new environment and maybe that
increased even further (Although I'm not certain that's even necessary
as we have no real idea how far back Rush went, his skeleton was bleached).
Fallen.
Pete B
says...
> > Ta, I didn't realise I was seeing anything odd until I read the group
> > and nobody else had mentioned it :) Could be completely wrong of course,
> > just seemed like what they were going for by mentioning how quickly the
> > organisms were growing and then the things on the planet being bugs.
> >
> Well, there's also the fact that would require some tens of millions of
> years of evolution (minimum)
Who said anything about evolving, they could just be growing their
normal (alien) lifecycle!
> and there was no indication that Rush had gone back that far.
But enough to be a skull
Dimensional Traveler
So, about a week. It really doesn't take long for scavengers and
insects to strip a corpse down to the bones.
Pete B
says...
> > Who said anything about evolving, they could just be growing their
> > normal (alien) lifecycle!
> >
> >> and there was no indication that Rush had gone back that far.
> >
> > But enough to be a skull
>
> So, about a week. It really doesn't take long for scavengers and
> insects to strip a corpse down to the bones.
Tsk tsk.
I'll say 10 years.
clueless
the prior 12 hours when at other planets???
"JM Morrison" <jmmn...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> DJensen wrote:
>> JM Morrison wrote:
>>>
>>> Somehow the microbes got through the filtration system. Obviously.
>>> Either the ship knew the water was contaminated, and the filtration
>>> system was inadequate, or the ship detected the illness before the crew
>>> did and sent them to this planet, leaving the problem of what to do with
>>> the rest of the water for later.
>>
>> I have a bigger problem with the ship detecting/deducing all this and
>> *not telling anyone* while it nudges them in the direction of the
>> solution, than with it all being coincidental. What kind of crappy AI
>> detects a fatal illness and does nothing to alert the crew/passengers to
>> this? No klaxxons or flashing red lights, no doors slamming shut? Why
>> bother doing *anything* to save them if the best it can offer is letting
>> them gate to a planet and figure it out for themselves? At least with
>> 'Air' and 'Water' it was stated Rush had told the ship what the problem
>> was and the ship's solution came from that.
>
> I think Rush exaggerates his influence over the ship, personally. I
> prefer to think that the ship detected the sand bugs, and stopped at that
> planet to get them off the ship. If it stopped there as a source of
> replenishing the water - that is probably the worst possible choice it
> could have made.
>
> But it just points out that the magic AI ship is a lot more trouble than
> it is worth, just in terms of story-telling. We have no rules yet about
> what it can and can't do. That is a recipe for a writing disaster.
>
>>> Or the ship knew nothing and it was purely a writer's lazy coincidence.
>>
>> What's one more coincidence in a chain of coincidences?
>>
>>
>
> Think of each event in a plot as a brick in a wall. If they are logical
> and supported, you're laying the bricks correctly. If you're using
> coincidence you're stacking the bricks long ends on top of each other. It
> doesn't take long before they all topple over into a mess.
>
> -jmm
Pete B
says...
> Anyone else notice that the ship stopped here for 36 hours rather than
> the prior 12 hours when at other planets???
Yes, I'm assuming that took place in another dimension where that was
the norm ;)
clueless
"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
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whodunit
> JM Morrison wrote:
>>
>>> JM Morrison wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> whodunit <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gisele wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote in news:89o2t6-...@librarian.sky.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And verily, didst Legend-11 <Slith...@dropallthisgooglemail.com>
>>>>>>>> hastily babble thusly:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pete B wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or so promises Mallozzi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ooh, the excitement! *g*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm just wondering what you'll do to occupy your hands now, Pete.
>>>>>>>>> What with no Lt Hooters to pleasure yourself over. Cough! ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No-one on destiny will end up dying. Scott saw to that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I was so happy. I thought, we got rid of so many of them,
>>>>>>> especially Chloe, Eli, TJ and Young....:/ Again with the "young
>>>>>>> adult" angst and Eli. Oh well, at least this one was interesting up
>>>>>>> to a point. I really hope they are done with the jerky camera stuff
>>>>>>> though; reallly annoying to watch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed! Kino-cam got on my nerves after awhile. Especially the little
>>>>>> 'hiccups' every few minutes--WE GET IT ALREADY! Stop now. JUST STOP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, really.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thirded.
>>>>
>>>>>> Thought we were done with it when Greer shot it, until Eli fixed it
>>>>>> with duct tape, LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hehe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the kino count as a deux ex machina??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't think so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The magic know-it-all ship does though, stopping at a planet that
>>>> just happens to have the solution (the venomous creatures) to the
>>>> problem (the water bugs) they didn't know they had. All on top of the
>>>
>>> I don't think the ship was acting on that knowledge. And if it was,
>>> why not use the ship's purification systems TJ mentioned?
>>
>>
>> Because if they aren't using the ship as an excuse, then it was pure
>> coincidence that they *just happened* to stop at this one planet that
>> *just happened* to have the cure for a disease that kills within 12
>> hrs of symptoms appearing.
>>
>
> I was watching the episode and got a completely different read seemingly
> to everyone else.
>
> I assumed that the reason the venom from the bugs on the planet cured
> the infection was that they 'were' the infection. We were told the
> microorganisms were growing, fairly rapidly, and everyone was infected.
>
> Rush went back in time on that planet and seemingly died. I just assumed
> the organisms from him continued to grow until the time we originally
> saw. So the creatures venom was killing themselves when they were tiny.
>
I thought it was established the microorganisms were in the *frozen*
water/ice brought back by Young and Scott from the ice planet...the
lizard/snake critters were on an entirely different planet, so how could
they be the same creatures at different stages of their life cycle?!
DJensen
> Fallen wrote:
>> I was watching the episode and got a completely different read
>> seemingly to everyone else.
>>
>> I assumed that the reason the venom from the bugs on the planet cured
>> the infection was that they 'were' the infection. We were told the
>> microorganisms were growing, fairly rapidly, and everyone was infected.
>>
>> Rush went back in time on that planet and seemingly died. I just
>> assumed the organisms from him continued to grow until the time we
>> originally saw. So the creatures venom was killing themselves when
>> they were tiny.
>
> water/ice brought back by Young and Scott from the ice planet...the
> lizard/snake critters were on an entirely different planet, so how could
> they be the same creatures at different stages of their life cycle?!
Rush, infected with the microbes, jumps through the glitching gate and
into the past. He dies there; the microbes mutate or continue their life
cycle or whatever, leave his body and build hives. Years pass, the
Destiny crew arrives (again), and the mega-microbes attack.
--
DJensen
Chet Weaver
>
> Rush, infected with the microbes, jumps through the glitching gate and
> into the past. He dies there; the microbes mutate or continue their life
> cycle or whatever, leave his body and build hives. Years pass, the Destiny
> crew arrives (again), and the mega-microbes attack.
>
is still in effect. If we assume the creatures evolved or grew from the
microbes, that would mean there was an iteration *without* the creatures in
which someone from Destiny went back in time for some reason. *Then* you'd
have the first *recorded* iteration where the creatures attack the Destiny
crew and cure Lt. Scott of his infection. While it is entirely possible
that this happened, probably by someone breaking quarantine to get back to
destiny before the time limit, what I'm saying is that it wasn't because
This Has All Happened Before in a "Groundhog Day" format. This would mean
that the loop was unbreakable and the Destiny crew would die the same way
each time. Instead, alterations are occurring in the timeline to get closer
and closer to a favorable outcome, going from an unstoppable plague scenario
to one where they find a cure before anything too bad happens.
-- Chet Weaver
DJensen
> "DJensen" <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:ab80a$4b071e39$45a590e7$58...@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free...
>> Rush, infected with the microbes, jumps through the glitching gate and
>> into the past. He dies there; the microbes mutate or continue their life
>> cycle or whatever, leave his body and build hives. Years pass, the Destiny
>> crew arrives (again), and the mega-microbes attack.
>>
> Time travel doesn't work that way in this episode, though. Cause and Effect
> is still in effect. If we assume the creatures evolved or grew from the
> microbes, that would mean there was an iteration *without* the creatures in
> which someone from Destiny went back in time for some reason.
As long as there was at least one iteration where someone goes back, the
creatures would be part of the environment when any iteration of
Destiny's crew arrives. *If* the creatures are evolved from the
microbes. If they're actually native, this is moot.
*Then* you'd
> have the first *recorded* iteration where the creatures attack the Destiny
> crew and cure Lt. Scott of his infection. While it is entirely possible
> that this happened, probably by someone breaking quarantine to get back to
> destiny before the time limit, what I'm saying is that it wasn't because
> This Has All Happened Before in a "Groundhog Day" format. This would mean
> that the loop was unbreakable and the Destiny crew would die the same way
> each time. Instead, alterations are occurring in the timeline to get closer
> and closer to a favorable outcome, going from an unstoppable plague scenario
> to one where they find a cure before anything too bad happens.
Unlike Groundhog Day, participants in this "loop" don't remember
previous loops, but are able to alter the past prior to their arrival
(sending messages, leaving bodies, etc).
--
DJensen