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The Nuclear Marine  
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 More options Jun 25 2002, 7:10 am
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
From: The Nuclear Marine <Nuke-Mar...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 05:48:47 GMT
Local: Sun, Jun 23 2002 1:48 am
Subject: Re: The B5 That Never Was
[posted and mailed]

warl...@es.co.nz (Matthew Vincent) wrote in
news:44aa4edb.0206212305.59e4a948@posting.google.com:

> Bil <bil_irv...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>>>Yeah, quite frankly I think the site is full of shit. The
>>>author is obviously trying to get attention for himself by
>>>disparaging an existing Sci-Fi show. I think it's a very
>>>dishonest and disrespectful...

>>Jeez, give the guy a break! It's an *opinion*.

> An opinion that's presented as fact, for the most part.

What?  The site quotes many of the postings jms himself stated in this
newsgroup.  It treated the actions of all parties with respect throughout
the article.  It was a much better treatment the the unofficial guide to B5
part 2 which stated opinionated articles quite a few too many times.

>>Sometimes its fun to speculate on what might have been.

> That's not the part that I have a problem with. He's doing a lot more
> than just speculating here.

Mayhaps I missed something, his article itself is title what might have
been.  That clearly states all that follows is speculation.  He backs it up
with acts within the show and a little common sense.  Where did this guy
show otherwise?

>>I don't think the author was being disrespectful or dishonest,

> His motives were dishonest, and many of his criticisms were clearly
> inaccurate, and just thrown in for the sake of criticising.

Again, where?  And where were the criticisms?  He seemed to go out of his
way to complement all involved even when the person was the actress playing  
Talia Winters (can't say her name, just too much pain)

>>on several occassions in the article he mentions how much
>>admiration he has for jms in creating the show,

> Of course he did. If he just made a whole bunch of criticisms with no
> praise, he would look unprofessional. His goal was to pitch his
> criticism at just the right level to attract controversy, and thus
> advertise himself and his own work in the process.

Well, I just read his article, nothing else that was provided or
hyperlinked.  What was the criticism by the way?

>>B5 is a unique situation in any event. Not only was it a unique
>>show, we as fans also gained a (sometimes unhealthy) level of
>>inside knowledge on its evolution through jms.

> I disagree that we've gained an unhealthy level of inside knowledge.
> There may have been occasional slippages, but overall I think that the
> benefits of this arrangement have outweighed the drawbacks.

It's true.  We get dead certainty that Keifer is dead, Lyta and Lennier
will die, Along with confirmations in many episodes that were somewhat
vague in the aired ep.  Good sometimes but you are left with tunnel vision
at points where you can only quote a jms post instead of backing up an
opinion with an episode itself.

>>One thing about the article that I did agree with was his
>>assessment of season 5. [...] *But* (and I have done this)
>>it comes across as a very different show if you watch
>>seasons 1-4 then SiL.

> Yeah, I've tried watching it that way too.

>>Not 'better' per se, just different. It still works.

> Yeah, which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. JMS always said that
> season 5 was going to be a bit different, IIRC. The whole atmosphere
> was made different in some ways. The important parts of the show were
> basically covered in seasons 1-4. None of this constitutes any kind of
> amazing revelation.

Season 5 has that "set location" feel to it.  You can tell it is a set,
which for some reason the other season did not give off (maybe if I studied
production design I could put my finger on it).  Season 5 was like the
interior shots of Doctor Who and stood out.  Could be the lighting as it
did seem bright.  That and the two distinct story lines with maybe 3 stand
alone episodes.

>>Anyway, all I'm trying to say is, he's only expressing an opinion.

> He's doing more than that.

>>As am I.

> You, I believe. :)

>>Neither are threats to your own beliefs about the show.

nuke - 198 pound weakling

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