DVD commentaries
Pema
I haven't posted in quiet a while, but i wanted to see what everyone
thought of the commentaries???
for me, each episode (there, i have said it!) should have at least one
commentary, of course in my fantasy life, each episode should have one
by jms and tech crew and one with cast!
I loved hearing Pat, Peter and the "forever Mr. Bester"! I say we need
more...has jms mentioned anything about Season 5?
I would love to have some of the Centauri cast, Esp. Damien London who
possibly gave one of the finest performances in the history of TV...
best!
pema
Jan
>for me, each episode (there, i have said it!) should have at least one
>commentary, of course in my fantasy life, each episode should have one
>by jms and tech crew and one with cast!
I sure wouldn't object to that! Though I honestly don't think that the group
actor commentaries have been particularly informative, it might be cool to mix
it up a little, perhaps have JMS and a cast member or a director along with a
cast member. I really liked the combination of JMS and Mike Vejar in this set.
It would be nice to get John Copeland in one, too, I think. I liked his
sections of the intro/interviews.
>.has jms mentioned anything about Season 5?
Not having to do with commentaries, I don't think. Mainly that S5 is going to
concentrate on the fans. We also know that there were some fan interviews done
at SDCC last year and that JMS has put in thanks to Jay of this newsgroup and
Steve Grimm of the Lurker's Guide.
Speaking of commentaries, for me some of the best news was that JMS will be
doing commentaries on 'The Gathering' and 'In the Beginning'. ItB is my
hands-down fave of the movies.
Jan
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barbielon5
> I would love to have some of the Centauri cast, Esp. Damien London who
> possibly gave one of the finest performances in the history of TV...
> best!
> pema
Stephen Furst would also be great, at least he can also say something
from a director´s pov.
Furthermore, it really would´ve been better to have two people at the
most doing a commentary. Maybe they could´ve spread the commentaries
over more episodes without increasing the payment to the actors.
In the "Lord of the Rings" commentaries they somehow managed to have
many people from the cast and crew without any problems at all (IMHO).
Yours,
Barbara M.
Jms at B5
The latter was the hardest, since it was the first time I'd seen the episode
since it aired. (I just couldn't, it was too hard.)
I should have done so, though, because when we got to B5's destruction, I'm
ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard. After we were
done, i wanted to go back and do it again, to fix that, which I thought was
unprofessional, but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.
jms
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Christian Smith
wrote
>For S5 I did commentaries on The Fall of Centauri Prime and Sleeping in Light.
>The latter was the hardest, since it was the first time I'd seen the episode
>since it aired. (I just couldn't, it was too hard.)
>
>I should have done so, though, because when we got to B5's destruction, I'm
>ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard. After we were
>done, i wanted to go back and do it again, to fix that, which I thought was
>unprofessional, but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
>hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.
>
Dumb? Hell you have to be kidding me!!!??
Admittedly I've seen SiL a few more times than just the two (just a
few <g>), but that scene still gets to me.
Every.
Single.
Time.
Hell, most of the time I can't hear the music without misting up or
having the hairs on the back of my neck raising
Never be ashamed of a real emotion! ;-)
Christian
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Jan
>For S5 I did commentaries on The Fall of Centauri Prime and Sleeping in
>Light.
I'm SO glad you picked The Fall of Centauri Prime!! Londo submitting to the
Keeper is one of the most heroic things I've ever seen.
As for your emotion during the SiL commentary...what Christian said. I
couldn't agree more.
Thanks,
Jan
bleefb
when S5 comes out!
Bob Lee
Andre Lieven
> For S5 I did commentaries on The Fall of Centauri Prime and Sleeping in
> Light.
Wonderful.
> The latter was the hardest, since it was the first time I'd seen the
> episode since it aired. (I just couldn't, it was too hard.)
I know a part of what you mean, the emotional effect of that episode
was quite profound on me.
But, I'm not the guy who made that station come to life, so thats
why I can only say, I know a part...
> I should have done so, though, because when we got to B5's destruction,
> I'm ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard. After
> we were done, i wanted to go back and do it again, to fix that, which I
> thought was unprofessional,
So ? It was... *human*. If humans build communities, and that is a part
of the theme of your whole story, then allowing this human, you, to BE
human, in such a commentary, strikes me as quite the right thing to be.
> but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
> hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.
No worries, mate. I'm betting that it'll just be... right. Something
said, that we viewers are sharing again, when we watch that DVD.
Andre
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Kevin A. Munoz
<jms...@aol.com> wrote:
> unprofessional, but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
> hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.
No worries there. You *always* come across as dumb or something.
;-)
Kevin A. Munoz
David Williams
"Jan" <janmsc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> JMS wrote:
>
> >For S5 I did commentaries on The Fall of Centauri Prime and Sleeping in
> >Light.
>
> I'm SO glad you picked The Fall of Centauri Prime!! Londo submitting to
the
> Keeper is one of the most heroic things I've ever seen.
Funny, Jan, I don't remember it as heroism. My memory of it is resignation
to fate. Acceptance of the burden for the havoc he had wrought.
Recognition that his only other option was physical death, with the Keeper
being passed on to Great-Maker-knows-who. And since he's pretty confident
from his psychic dream and Lady Morella's prophecy that he must become
Emporer...
I do agree that it is a remarkable scene, though. One in which the full
weight of the path he created for himself and his people finally lands him
in full, like a ton of fresh spoo.
-David W.
Paul Harper
(Christian Smith) wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:47:10 +0000 (UTC),jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5)
>wrote
>
>>For S5 I did commentaries on The Fall of Centauri Prime and Sleeping in Light.
>>The latter was the hardest, since it was the first time I'd seen the episode
>>since it aired. (I just couldn't, it was too hard.)
>>
>>I should have done so, though, because when we got to B5's destruction, I'm
>>ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard. After we were
>>done, i wanted to go back and do it again, to fix that, which I thought was
>>unprofessional, but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
>>hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.
>>
>Dumb? Hell you have to be kidding me!!!??
>
>Admittedly I've seen SiL a few more times than just the two (just a
>few <g>), but that scene still gets to me.
>Every.
>Single.
>Time.
>
>Hell, most of the time I can't hear the music without misting up or
>having the hairs on the back of my neck raising
>
>Never be ashamed of a real emotion! ;-)
Indeed. And when you've watched it on a big screen in a London pub
with 60 or 70 other people, all in tears and some unable to watch the
screen, you realise that it's *absolutely* the right thing to be
feeling!!
Paul.
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Hank Arnold
down. I still can't watch the last scene with Delenn sitting on the bench
watching the sunrise without the spigot open on "full" (excuse me while I
get a box of tissues).......
If I haven't said it before.....
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thebadge
Can't wait for the S5 DVD-Box. My appreciation for S5 has grown much
of late. Please let the new JMS project be a Telepath movie.
Rob Perkins
>I should have done so, though, because when we got to B5's destruction, I'm
>ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard.
We cried at the ending, Joe. Why shouldn't you? What on earth would be
wrong with telegraphing that kind of emotion?
Rob
Aisling Willow Grey
> Radio...@aol.com (Pema) wrote in message news:<7cc3084b.04011...@posting.google.com>...
>
>
>>I would love to have some of the Centauri cast, Esp. Damien London who
>>possibly gave one of the finest performances in the history of TV...
>>best!
>>pema
>
>
>
> Stephen Furst would also be great, at least he can also say something
> from a director´s pov.
>
> Furthermore, it really would´ve been better to have two people at the
> most doing a commentary. Maybe they could´ve spread the commentaries
> over more episodes without increasing the payment to the actors.<<
The actors don't get paid for providing commentary tracks.
Aisling
Aisling Willow Grey
> For S5 I did commentaries on The Fall of Centauri Prime and Sleeping in Light.
> The latter was the hardest, since it was the first time I'd seen the episode
> since it aired. (I just couldn't, it was too hard.)
>
> I should have done so, though, because when we got to B5's destruction, I'm
> ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard. After we were
> done, i wanted to go back and do it again, to fix that, which I thought was
> unprofessional, but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
> hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.<<
JMS, don't sweat it: I'm sure _most_ of us here have that very same
reaction to the episode. What I want to know is, what is the official
tissue of Sleeping in Light?
Aisling
Thunder v.20.04
soft tissue (I forget the name offhand). :)
t.k.
Jon S Green
Hmmm ... it's a bit *on the nose* ...
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>Hmmm ... it's a bit *on the nose* ...
I've never heard of that phrase. Translation please?
Jan
Tlsmith1963
Don't worry about it, Joe. I have seen SiL several times, & it still makes me
cry even now. It's the combination of the performances, writing, & music. The
only other last episode in recent memory that has done this to me is the last
ep. of the anime series Cowboy Bebop. If I hear the music for SiL or the song
"Blue" from Bebop, I get teary-eyed. Some things are just *that* good.
Tammy
LK
wrote:
>For S5 I did commentaries on The Fall of Centauri Prime and Sleeping in Light.
>The latter was the hardest, since it was the first time I'd seen the episode
>since it aired. (I just couldn't, it was too hard.)
>
>I should have done so, though, because when we got to B5's destruction, I'm
>ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard. After we were
>done, i wanted to go back and do it again, to fix that, which I thought was
>unprofessional, but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
>hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.
>
> jms
How? You wrote honesty and it still and will be forever be honest.
My thought when I saw the station ripped apart was "--They're killing
it!" as if the station itself was living creature.
In a way it's like tears at seeing the original US Constitution of
Declaration of Independence. Alive? No. But our thoughts make it so
as the act of music _is_ when it occurs and only effort makes be.
And since there was no original physical model, B5 _is_ when it occurs
on screen.
LK
Jan
>My thought when I saw the station ripped apart was "--They're killing
>it!" as if the station itself was living creature.
>
>In a way it's like tears at seeing the original US Constitution of
>Declaration of Independence. Alive? No. But our thoughts make it so
>as the act of music _is_ when it occurs and only effort makes be.
Nicely said. While the Station was never a 'character' in the sense that the
Enterprise became a character ("She's a beautiful lady and we love her"), it
still was home to the characters we cared for and it hurts to see that home
destroyed.
Jan
MsMyth71
all the way through to the end of Sleeping in Light. I never watched B5 on
television and it was because of insomnia that I picked up Season 1 on a whim.
I really got hooked around Deathwalker and haven't looked back. I tore through
S2 and S3. A friend had S4 and S5 on VHS and I watched those all within a
week's time.
I was so sad at the end of S5. It was like knowing that you weren't going to
see your friends again. I think of Londo's line: "It is good to have friends,
is it not, Mr. Garibaldi? Even if maybe .. only for a little while." I think
it's a wonderful sign that you put your heart into something like this. I'm
glad they didn't let you change it. :) It's no stupid in any way, form or
fashion, it's human. And of all the life forms in B5, the humans are and will
always be my favorite.
MsMyth71
another reason to watch an episode (not that I really need one.)
/snicker
Jon S Green
Literal: too obvious. (Screenwriting parlance: "On-the-nose dialog.")
Punning: pass the tissues...
thebadge
SIL reduces me to a driveling wreck everytime I watch it. The line
about "A Sunday Drive" makes me ball like a child.
Patrick Roberts
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jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
> For S5 I did commentaries on The Fall of Centauri Prime and Sleeping in Light.
> The latter was the hardest, since it was the first time I'd seen the episode
> since it aired. (I just couldn't, it was too hard.)
>
> I should have done so, though, because when we got to B5's destruction, I'm
> ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard. After we were
> done, i wanted to go back and do it again, to fix that, which I thought was
> unprofessional, but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
> hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.
>
> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> (all message content (c) 2003 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
> permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
> and don't send me story ideas)
It will come across emotional and human and spontaneous. It will add an extra dimension, an extra
bonus; that will make the viewer empathize with you at the fullest. Don't feel ashamed for have
showed your emotional attachment to Babylon5; it was and always will remain a part of you. This
will make the viewer understand this completely. If you had fixed it professional; it would have
come across to the viewer to be harsh, cold and unemotional; like you have not cared about it at
all. That isn't really the truth, is it?
Until Next Time;
Jan-Willem "Vantu" Kalk
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Arlen Roy Kundert
> ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard. After we were
> done, i wanted to go back and do it again, to fix that, which I thought was
> unprofessional, but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
> hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.
Well I'm new here, but I'll jump on the ban wagon as well. B5's
destruction got myself and every one I personally know, who are B5
fans choked up to.
Heck I can't watch "Coming of Shadows" without as least feeling a
little bit bummed.
So I don't feel it's unprofessional, "it is, human" *G'Kar*(as if you
didn't know)
BTW JMS,
Thank You for creating Babylon 5
Arlen Roy Kundert
Dan Dassow
Joe,
You would have to have a heart of stone not to have your voice break
while commenting on B5's destruction in Sleeping in Light. You would
have been incapable of writing Babylon 5 if you had a heart of stone.
Isn't the destruction of B5 the scene that prompted people such as
Doug Netter to be dumbfounded when you first told them about it? SiL
is the culmination of over seven years of blood, sweat and tears that
you expended in bringing your vision to fruition against long odds,
overwhelming exhaustion and doubting people who mocked you for your
efforts. It must have been difficult to do the commentary with he
memory of Season 5 being in danger while filming Sleeping in Light.
You may believe that you need to be professional in doing the
commentary. I suspect that your journalistic instincts drive that
point of view. Remember that even the most professional journalists
break while on air. I'm certain you remember Walter Cronkite's voice
breaking while announcing the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
Likewise, you probably heard Dan Rather's voice break broadcasting the
day of 9/11. Only those who do not understand or care about Babylon 5
would consider your voice breaking during the commentary
unprofessional and coming across as dumb.
I'm a poor benchmark for the following questions, since I get
misty-eyed during Lassie Come Home and had tears running down my
cheeks during the last 20 minutes of Lord of the Rings: The Return of
the King and most of Sleeping in Light.
Didn't your eyes at least mist up during the last 20 minutes
of Lord of the Rings?
Why should you be immune to the effects of Sleeping in Light?
Dan Dassow
Hank Arnold
coronation, that just did me in........... Fastest 3 1/2 hours I ever spent.
If Jackson doesn't win the Oscar it will be the crime of the century.......
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bleefb
feeling that Jackson will be ignored in favor of some Hollywood insider.
I think Hollywood still has a bias towards fantasy films, and don't
consider folks from Down Under their equal (Nicole Kidman being the
exception, although the her marriage to Cruise may have helped give her
insider status) Anyway, here's hoping I'm wrong. it wouldn't be the
first time :)
Bob Lee
barbielon5
Aisling: Got it !
I somehow misread/misinterpreted your original post. I found your
orig. post and requoted it with my appologies to you in that other
thread (Season 4...wow...etc), just to get things right. Sorry again.
For me it was hard to believe that somebody does something for free.
But then, if they do it for free they spoil the price for others (AK).
Yours,
Barbara
linka
> For S5 I did commentaries on The Fall of Centauri Prime and Sleeping in Light.
> The latter was the hardest, since it was the first time I'd seen the episode
> since it aired. (I just couldn't, it was too hard.)
>
> I should have done so, though, because when we got to B5's destruction, I'm
> ashamed to admit that my voice broke, it just hit me so hard. After we were
> done, i wanted to go back and do it again, to fix that, which I thought was
> unprofessional, but the WB boys prevailed upon me to leave it alone. I just
> hope it doesn't come across as dumb or something.
>
> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> (all message content (c) 2003 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
> permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
> and don't send me story ideas)
I have watched SIL numerous times and every time it puts a lump in
throat.
IT was a event, the end of a 5 year journey we lived the saga,cared
for the story,raced to put on the TV when it was on,and counting down
the time to the next eps to see what had happened.SIL was the end and
what a way to go out.
when I first saw it it brought tears to my eyes and a feeling of lost.
SIL is B5 tombstone a place to visit and reflect.Being Dumb never.It
your work JMS what ever us a fans feel .you must feel 10 times.
But having you turn out the lights on B5 that was a masters stroke.
was it your idea or was it suggested to you?
Pema
hi Barbara,
I sort of see it as when stars do promo tours... Celebs probably do
alot of PR things in which they recieve no money. Lets just hope they
get royalties ;)
I would love to see us die hard fans do commentaries, I bet we could
do some awesome ones!
happiness,
Pema
barbielon5
> fallens...@aol.com (barbielon5) wrote in message news:<c5baf10d.04012...@posting.google.com>...
> > Aisling Willow Grey <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message news:<400463BB...@fjordstone.com>...
> > > >>barbielon5 wrote:
>
> > > > Radio...@aol.com (Pema) wrote in message news:<7cc3084b.04011...@posting.google.com>...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>I would love to have some of the Centauri cast, Esp. Damien London who
> > > >>possibly gave one of the finest performances in the history of TV...
> > > >>best!
> > > >>pema
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Furst would also be great, at least he can also say something
> > > >
> > > > Furthermore, it really would扉e been better to have two people at the
> > > > most doing a commentary. Maybe they could扉e spread the commentaries
> > > > over more episodes without increasing the payment to the actors.<<
> > >
> > > The actors don't get paid for providing commentary tracks.
> > >
> > > Aisling
> >
> > Aisling: Got it !
> >
> > I somehow misread/misinterpreted your original post. I found your
> > orig. post and requoted it with my appologies to you in that other
> > thread (Season 4...wow...etc), just to get things right. Sorry again.
> >
> > For me it was hard to believe that somebody does something for free.
> > But then, if they do it for free they spoil the price for others (AK).
> >
> > Yours,
> > Barbara
>
> hi Barbara,
> I sort of see it as when stars do promo tours... Celebs probably do
> alot of PR things in which they recieve no money. Lets just hope they
> get royalties ;)
> I would love to see us die hard fans do commentaries, I bet we could
> do some awesome ones!
> happiness,
> Pema
Hey, that愀 a great idea, Pema. But won愒 pay us either, I guess,... ;-)
Yours
Barbara
Pema
lol! with that experience, who cares? I live in san diego so i am
close to LA, I would jump on that in a heartbeat, it would be
incredible fun :)
best,
pema
Alpe97
fallens...@aol.com (barbielon5) writes:
>For me it was hard to believe that somebody does something for free.
>But then, if they do it for free they spoil the price for others (AK).
>
I find that a very sad commentary on humanity. What does this attitude say of
all the volunteers who contribute property and huge numbers of hours for their
communities? Or offer FREE seminars on computing, camping etc?
We should ALL be looking to do more for FREE in a spirit of global cooperation.
'From each according to his ability...'
Aisling Willow Grey
(in message <20040131174328...@mb-m24.aol.com>):
There is a huge difference between volunteering services to your community, a
local school, seniors, etc., and working without compensation for an
entertainment conglomerate which will earn buckets of money on the project in
question.
Aisling
barbielon5
Aisling: Exactly!
Alpe97: You completely twisted my words! My attitude is NOT that
someone should only do something if he/she gets money in return. My
comment concerned mainly the entertainment industry and several other
businesses, it did in NO WAY refer to social services. Don't turn my
post into something really nasty!
The point is: There are a lot of people who are willing to do
something for free just to be a part of the movie or TV business.
That's a fact.
Now, the problem is, if there are so many people out there who work
for free why should the industry pay somebody who needs the money
because he/she earns her/his living with
acting/writing/directing/singing etc.?
I know several big TV networks here in Europe who don't pay for the
work of college students. These students had to agree to work for free
in order to get their credit for working for a TV network. The more
famous the name of a TV network, the less likely it is for a student
to get payment.
So, in general, the movie and TV industry won't share the big bucks if
they don't have to. That's why organizations like "The Actor's Guild"
are so important.
Yours,
Barbara