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Whyr...@gmx.at

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Aug 29, 2007, 12:19:58 PM8/29/07
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Dear JMS

Thx very much for The Lost Tales. As others have said it was like
meeting lost thought friends. I hope there will be many more to come,
watch and enjoy *g*. Just a short question - the taxi scene in the New
York of the future... was that an insinuation at Luc Besson's Fifth
Element?

Second question: Have you ever thought of writing a script for a movie
about relationships (like Woody Allen's Annie Hall, Alexander Payne's
Sideways or Charlie Kaufman's Adaption) ?. This question came to my
mind while watching the features on the TLT DVD where you said that
you enjoy watching and analysing human behaviour.

Last question: What do you think about Joss Whedon and especially of
his best (IMO) two shows Angel and Firefly (which had the same destiny
like your Crusade) ?. If circumstances let it happen would you like
working on a project with him?

Thank you for talking the time to read my post and good luck in the
future,

Richard

John W. Kennedy

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Aug 30, 2007, 5:00:41 PM8/30/07
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Whyr...@gmx.at wrote:
> Just a short question - the taxi scene in the New
> York of the future... was that an insinuation at Luc Besson's Fifth
> Element?

You obviously never read <URL:http://www.toonopedia.com/cabby.htm>.


--
John W. Kennedy
"Compact is becoming contract,
Man only earns and pays."
-- Charles Williams. "Bors to Elayne: On the King's Coins"

jms...@aol.com

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Sep 5, 2007, 5:56:31 AM9/5/07
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On Aug 29, 8:19 am, Whyru...@gmx.at wrote:
> Dear JMS
>
> Thx very much for The Lost Tales. As others have said it was like
> meeting lost thought friends. I hope there will be many more to come,
> watch and enjoy *g*. Just a short question - the taxi scene in the New
> York of the future... was that an insinuation at Luc Besson's Fifth
> Element?
>

No. It comes from visiting New York many times.

> Second question: Have you ever thought of writing a script for a movie
> about relationships (like Woody Allen's Annie Hall, Alexander Payne's
> Sideways or Charlie Kaufman's Adaption) ?. This question came to my
> mind while watching the features on the TLT DVD where you said that
> you enjoy watching and analysing human behaviour.
>

"Changeling," the movie I sold to Ron Howard, is a strong relationship
movie, in the sense it's all character driven. (Production starts mid-
October.)

> Last question: What do you think about Joss Whedon and especially of
> his best (IMO) two shows Angel and Firefly (which had the same destiny
> like your Crusade) ?. If circumstances let it happen would you like
> working on a project with him?
>

I think Joss is a terrific writer and I'd love to work with him
sometime on something.

jms


Aaron Sherman

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Sep 5, 2007, 3:48:54 PM9/5/07
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On Sep 5, 5:56 am, "jmsa...@aol.com" <jmsa...@aol.com> wrote:

> I think Joss is a terrific writer and I'd love to work with him
> sometime on something.

Interestingly, I think you've already described the ideal form of that
partnership. Back when B5 started, you said that the idea was for you
to focus on the arc while other writers wrote the more episodic
installments (which you would modify to add in arc elements or to
conform with the continuity of the arc, as needed). This was
essentially how the first season worked, and while some of those non-
arc stories were uneven at best, some of them were high-points of the
season ("By Any Means Necessary" comes to mind).

If you and Whedon collaborated on a series bible and then moved to the
first-season B5 model of he and his Buffyverse / Firefly team writing
the episodic installments and you writing a handful of arc-driven
stories per season, I think it would be perfect.

Sadly, I'm not sure if that would fly, since to some of the public
that might look like he wasn't so much a partner as an assistant, and
someone with a promising career rarely wants to be seen in that light.

--
Aaron Sherman
http://www.ajs.com/~ajs

M. R. Maresca

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Sep 6, 2007, 11:30:25 AM9/6/07
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>
> I think Joss is a terrific writer and I'd love to work with him
> sometime on something.
>
> jms

I remember reading about one of the Marvel retreats, where you, Joss,
Jeph Loeb and... someone else whose name escapes me (Damon Lindelof,
maybe?)... were all in the same room together , and I thought, "The
best TV show ever would come out of that room."

Dan B.

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Sep 6, 2007, 12:23:44 PM9/6/07
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On Sep 5, 3:56 am, "jmsa...@aol.com" <jmsa...@aol.com> wrote:
> I think Joss is a terrific writer and I'd love to work with him
> sometime on something.

This comment has caused something of a stir on http://whedonesque.com.
Most of the comments were quite favorable, with the normal exceptions.

Dan B.
Or FuryPilot at JMSNews.com


Amy Guskin

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Sep 6, 2007, 4:29:33 PM9/6/07
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>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:30:25 -0400, M. R. Maresca wrote
(in article <1189092625.0...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):

Yeah, if you kicked Lindelof out first. (Yes, I'm bitter about "Lost.")

Amy
--
"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over
again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George
W. Bush, May 24, 2005

Doug Freyburger

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Sep 7, 2007, 5:32:01 PM9/7/07
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"Dan B." <fencer_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "jmsa...@aol.com" <jmsa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I think Joss is a terrific writer and I'd love to work with him
> > sometime on something.
>
> This comment has caused something of a stir onhttp://whedonesque.com.

> Most of the comments were quite favorable, with the normal exceptions.

It's sure the sort of sort that folks waiting for an Eep can
only dream about ...


Josh Hill

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Sep 9, 2007, 4:27:56 PM9/9/07
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:29:33 GMT, Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com>
wrote:

>>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:30:25 -0400, M. R. Maresca wrote
>(in article <1189092625.0...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):
>
>>
>>>
>>> I think Joss is a terrific writer and I'd love to work with him
>>> sometime on something.
>>>
>>> jms
>>
>> I remember reading about one of the Marvel retreats, where you, Joss,
>> Jeph Loeb and... someone else whose name escapes me (Damon Lindelof,
>> maybe?)... were all in the same room together , and I thought, "The
>> best TV show ever would come out of that room." <<
>
>Yeah, if you kicked Lindelof out first. (Yes, I'm bitter about "Lost.")

I still like Lost.

--
Josh

"This keeps out the stalkers, the obsessed, the dysfunctional, the abusive, and
the general, all-around jerks who get off on turning a group so toxic that nobody's
left after a while but the person and some of his associates or collaborators.
It's the slow poisoning of a group." - J. Michael Straczynski

Amy Guskin

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Sep 9, 2007, 7:35:05 PM9/9/07
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>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:27:56 -0400, Josh Hill wrote
(in article <lpl8e3pmobbst4ive...@4ax.com>):

> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:29:33 GMT, Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:30:25 -0400, M. R. Maresca wrote
>> (in article <1189092625.0...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think Joss is a terrific writer and I'd love to work with him
>>>> sometime on something.
>>>>
>>>> jms
>>>
>>> I remember reading about one of the Marvel retreats, where you, Joss,
>>> Jeph Loeb and... someone else whose name escapes me (Damon Lindelof,
>>> maybe?)... were all in the same room together , and I thought, "The
>>> best TV show ever would come out of that room." <<
>>
>> Yeah, if you kicked Lindelof out first. (Yes, I'm bitter about "Lost.")
>
> I still like Lost. <<

Oh, I still watch Lost. And I guess I still like it. But there was a time
when I _loved_ it. You can't tell me you're not even a _little_ bitter,
especially after last season?

Have you seen this, by the way?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yXzR7aKBCdE

Hilarious! And seems all too plausible!

Josh Hill

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Sep 12, 2007, 5:47:51 PM9/12/07
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:35:05 GMT, Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com>
wrote:

>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:27:56 -0400, Josh Hill wrote
>(in article <lpl8e3pmobbst4ive...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:29:33 GMT, Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:30:25 -0400, M. R. Maresca wrote
>>> (in article <1189092625.0...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Joss is a terrific writer and I'd love to work with him
>>>>> sometime on something.
>>>>>
>>>>> jms
>>>>
>>>> I remember reading about one of the Marvel retreats, where you, Joss,
>>>> Jeph Loeb and... someone else whose name escapes me (Damon Lindelof,
>>>> maybe?)... were all in the same room together , and I thought, "The
>>>> best TV show ever would come out of that room." <<
>>>
>>> Yeah, if you kicked Lindelof out first. (Yes, I'm bitter about "Lost.")
>>
>> I still like Lost. <<
>
>Oh, I still watch Lost. And I guess I still like it. But there was a time
>when I _loved_ it. You can't tell me you're not even a _little_ bitter,
>especially after last season?

I dunno. I still like it. Not as compelling as it was at first, of
course, but how many shows are? And the writing and casting are still
top notch, the gradual solution of the mysteries. B5 and Jeremiah are
about the only shows I can think of that improved with longevity, that
filled in what seemed a convincingly complex imaginary world rather
than introducing baroque variations that seemed to have no purpose but
to stretch out the run. No one else can handle an arc that way.

>Have you seen this, by the way?
>
>http://youtube.com/watch?v=yXzR7aKBCdE
>
>Hilarious! And seems all too plausible!

Heh, way too plausible. Though to their credit, they know it, and
they're bringing the show to a close, hopefully before the Ori and the
Bugi and the Defrocked Episcopal Priesti show up to threaten a
universe already yawning from the last attack.

--
Josh


"Let us find health and vigor and hope, and the diseased portion
of the earth will fall behind of its own doing. For that we need
no aggressive strategic plans, no provocation of military hostilities,
no showdowns." - George Kennan

Angelika Tobisch

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Sep 13, 2007, 4:59:26 AM9/13/07
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Amy Guskin schrieb:

> Oh, I still watch Lost. And I guess I still like it. But there was a time
> when I _loved_ it. You can't tell me you're not even a _little_ bitter,
> especially after last season?
>
> Have you seen this, by the way?
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=yXzR7aKBCdE
>
> Hilarious! And seems all too plausible!

I haven't seen season 3 yet, so I'll refrain from joining the
discussion, but I do have something on the topic of Lost on YouTube:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=V_IFfYkgDmk

Angelika

Amy Guskin

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Sep 13, 2007, 8:27:49 AM9/13/07
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>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:59:26 -0400, Angelika Tobisch wrote
(in article <46E8FBEE...@arcor.de>):

Cute, if a bit strained! <g>

robin...@gmail.com

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Sep 13, 2007, 8:09:43 AM9/13/07
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On Sep 10, 12:35 am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:27:56 -0400, Josh Hill wrote
>
> (in article <lpl8e3pmobbst4ivef3joip7cjnmr34...@4ax.com>):
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:29:33 GMT, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com>

> > wrote:
>
> >>>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:30:25 -0400, M. R. Maresca wrote
> >> (in article <1189092625.018493.307...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):

>
> >>>> I think Joss is a terrific writer and I'd love to work with him
> >>>> sometime on something.
>
> >>>> jms
>
> >>> I remember reading about one of the Marvel retreats, where you, Joss,
> >>> Jeph Loeb and... someone else whose name escapes me (Damon Lindelof,
> >>> maybe?)... were all in the same room together , and I thought, "The
> >>> best TV show ever would come out of that room." <<
>
> >> Yeah, if you kicked Lindelof out first. (Yes, I'm bitter about "Lost.")
>
> > I still like Lost. <<
>
> Oh, I still watch Lost. And I guess I still like it. But there was a time
> when I _loved_ it. You can't tell me you're not even a _little_ bitter,
> especially after last season?
>
> Have you seen this, by the way?
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=yXzR7aKBCdE
>
> Hilarious! And seems all too plausible!
>
> Amy
> --
> "In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over
> again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George
> W. Bush, May 24, 2005

"especially after last season?"

Season 3 was brilliant, I thought. Leaps and bounds ahead of the
terrible second season, when I nearly dropped it altogether.

Amy Guskin

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Sep 13, 2007, 2:19:44 PM9/13/07
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>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:09:43 -0400, robin...@gmail.com wrote
(in article <1189685383....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>):

I have two words to say to this: Jack's tattoos.

Josh Hill

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Sep 13, 2007, 7:10:33 PM9/13/07
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:19:44 GMT, Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com>
wrote:

>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:09:43 -0400, robin...@gmail.com wrote

Gonna look at the low points, eh? At least there warn't no gloppid
egg.

Dan Dassow

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Sep 14, 2007, 10:49:32 AM9/14/07
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On Sep 5, 4:56 am, "jmsa...@aol.com" <jmsa...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Changeling," the movie I sold to Ron Howard, is a strong relationship
> movie, in the sense it's all character driven. (Production starts mid-
> October.)
>

FYI: According to an interview with Clint Eastwood by Jeff Strickler,
Star Tribune
September 12, 2007 - 12:17 AM
Television: Putting the spotlight on a master, Eastwood embraces an
era
Music lover Clint Eastwood hopes that his feature on Tony Bennett hits
the right chord.
http://www.startribune.com/459/story/1415805.html

... He's heavily into preproduction for the next movie he's directing,
"The Changeling," which starts filming Oct. 18. He's been so busy that
he hasn't had time to see "3:10 to Yuma," a recently released western
that many observers have compared to Eastwood's "Unforgiven."I've got
to find time to see that, so I know what people are talking about," he
said. "In fact, I was at my dentist today and he said, 'They're doing
you!'"

Dan Dassow


Jeffrey Kaplan

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Sep 14, 2007, 11:28:19 PM9/14/07
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It is alleged that Whyr...@gmx.at claimed:

> Last question: What do you think about Joss Whedon and especially of
> his best (IMO) two shows Angel and Firefly (which had the same destiny
> like your Crusade) ?. If circumstances let it happen would you like
> working on a project with him?

Forget Joss. How about a collaboration between JMS and Stephen Moffet
(British TV "Coupling", "The Office", "Jekyll", the three best Dr.Who
episodes...)?

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

"If I am ever the Hero top 100 list: #83. If I am forced to retreat
after being ambushed by overwhelming forces, I will not run home where
it's safe; whoever is behind the ambush probably has plans for me when
I get there.

Jo'Asia

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Sep 15, 2007, 6:37:40 AM9/15/07
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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

> Forget Joss. How about a collaboration between JMS and Stephen Moffet
> (British TV "Coupling", "The Office", "Jekyll", the three best Dr.Who
> episodes...)?

Five best Dr.Who episodes! Four regular plus "The Curse of Fatal Death"...
:)

Jo'Asia

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{Lord Mark Pierre Vorkosigan} >-

Jeffrey Kaplan

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Sep 15, 2007, 2:11:32 PM9/15/07
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It is alleged that Jo'Asia claimed:

> > Forget Joss. How about a collaboration between JMS and Stephen Moffet
> > (British TV "Coupling", "The Office", "Jekyll", the three best Dr.Who
> > episodes...)?
>
> Five best Dr.Who episodes! Four regular plus "The Curse of Fatal Death"...
> :)

I was counting "The Empty Child" and "The Doctor Dances" as separate
eps. Were you counting them as one? :) I have not had a chance to see
"Fatal Death".

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
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"Londo, do you know where you are?" "Either in Medlab or in hell.
Either way the decor needs work." (Dr. Franklin and Amb. Mollari, B5
"Soul Mates")

Ranger Elenopa

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Sep 15, 2007, 3:20:11 PM9/15/07
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On Sep 15, 7:11 pm, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org> wrote:
> It is alleged that Jo'Asia claimed:
>
> > > Forget Joss. How about a collaboration between JMS and Stephen Moffet
> > > (British TV "Coupling", "The Office", "Jekyll", the three best Dr.Who
> > > episodes...)?
>
> > Five best Dr.Who episodes! Four regular plus "The Curse of Fatal Death"...
> > :)
>
> I was counting "The Empty Child" and "The Doctor Dances" as separate
> eps. Were you counting them as one? :) I have not had a chance to see
> "Fatal Death".
>

Have you seen "Blink" yet?

Ranger Elenopa


Jeffrey Kaplan

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Sep 15, 2007, 3:40:45 PM9/15/07
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It is alleged that Jeffrey Kaplan claimed:

> It is alleged that Jo'Asia claimed:
>
> > > Forget Joss. How about a collaboration between JMS and Stephen Moffet
> > > (British TV "Coupling", "The Office", "Jekyll", the three best Dr.Who
> > > episodes...)?
> >
> > Five best Dr.Who episodes! Four regular plus "The Curse of Fatal Death"...
> > :)
>
> I was counting "The Empty Child" and "The Doctor Dances" as separate
> eps. Were you counting them as one? :) I have not had a chance to see
> "Fatal Death".

Damn, I can't count today. "Empty Child" + "Doctor Dances" + "Girl In
The Fireplace" + "Blink" = 4 episodes.

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Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #67.
No matter how many shorts we have in the system, my guards will be
instructed to treat every surveillance camera malfunction as a full-
scale emergency.

Jeffrey Kaplan

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Sep 15, 2007, 3:42:21 PM9/15/07
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It is alleged that Ranger Elenopa claimed:

> Have you seen "Blink" yet?

Last night. Possibly the best Who yet.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #67.

Wes Struebing

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Sep 15, 2007, 7:09:14 PM9/15/07
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:42:21 -0400, Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org>
wrote:

>It is alleged that Ranger Elenopa claimed:
>
>> Have you seen "Blink" yet?
>
>Last night. Possibly the best Who yet.

It was VERY interesting! Thoroughly enjoyed it.
--

Wes Struebing

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