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Simo Aaltonen  
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 More options Jun 30 2002, 7:42 pm
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
From: simoa...@verso.st.jyu.fi (Simo Aaltonen)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:42:02 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sun, Jun 30 2002 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: The B5 That Never Was

In article <20020620225502.02625.00000...@mb-mp.aol.com>, WRWhite963 wrote:
>>Wha?  In, season 3 (I think) the command staff tells Delenn a secret
>>as part of the rebirth ceremony and Ivanova tells her that she loved
>>Talia.

> Ivonava says "I think" she did, in which case it was always my assumption that
> it was never brought to fruition.  An asymptotic relationship (always
> approaching, never arriving...)

That's a strange way of seeing it. Does having sex with someone you
think you might love constitute proof of that love? I don't think so.
Sex doesn't equal love, or vice versa. (Or maybe I misunderstood your
meaning?)

In other words, Ivanova's "I think" isn't revealing in this regard, one
way or the other. I think they had sex--at the very least they slept
together ("slept together" as in "lay asleep in the same bed"), as
indicated by Talia's reaching out in her sleep to Susan--and then
being surprised when she sees the latter isn't there.

They had a good thing going, and then Psi-Corps had to go and ruin it
(by messing with Talia in the past). Figures. I also think it's a pity
the relationship wasn't allowed to go that far before the very episode
Talia was written out of the series. It's great that it got into the
series at all, but the fact it wasn't fleshed out (no pun intended) more
fully makes it seem far less daring in retrospect.

And it's sad that a wholesome gay relationship is STILL considered
something too daring and gutsy for televised science fiction. Why is it
that series set in the future, series supposedly futuristic, are
consistently the most conservative series on TV at any given time?
Technologically progressive, morally conservative--that goes for the new
Treks, and even applies to the various series set in the B5 universe,
although to a SLIGHTLY lesser extent.

It's a universe of boy/girl - man/woman couples, if you go by televised
science fiction. And on this score, I certainly don't (go by them,
that is).

-Simo Sakari Aaltonen-
(simoa...@cc.jyu.fi)


 
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