OT: Some self-promotion (on a network, no less!)
Blair Leatherwood
soon-to-be-no-longer-on-the-air show "Trauma". That episode will be
airing on Monday, November 2 at 9pm.
With any luck, I might even get some camera time. Look for the balding
(I do have hair up there, but it vanished when a camera's put on it!)
guy in the suit on the bus. I'm the only one in a suit on the bus, so
that makes it a little easier. I had no lines, and not enough blood,
but it was great fun!
This should be on the NBC website as well. The trailer's already up at
NBC and imdb, if anyone's interested. I'm in that about 8 seconds in,
slumped over in the bus.
http://www.nbc.com/trauma/video/clips/maidez/1169824/
Blair
Patty Winter
In article <hcgf69$9av$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blair Leatherwood <bleath...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>This should be on the NBC website as well. The trailer's already up at
>NBC and imdb, if anyone's interested. I'm in that about 8 seconds in,
>slumped over in the bus.
Nifty, Blair!
Where was your scene filmed? It looks like they're doing some
second-unit photography in San Francisco. I got a glimpse of
Victorian bay windows in that promo.
Patty
Mac Breck
Cool. I'll have to stretch out my Heroes recording to cover it. 8-)
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Galen (to Gideon): "I've been penalized before for helping other
people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."
Blair Leatherwood
They're shooting it entirely in SF. It's probably one of the reasons
NBC decided not to pick up the rest of the season. It's apparently
their most expensive show, and it hasn't done well enough in the ratings
to warrant continuing it.
Our sequence was at 13th and Folsom; we pretty much had one city block
tied up for two days (probably more, since they shot the
bus/ambulance/taxi crash the day before).
One of the things I do like about the show is that it is most definitely
San Francisco; there is no question that it's being shot there. It's
also been giving a lot of people work on a regular basis--that's the
other thing to really like about it!
Blair
Dupa T. Parrot
Excellent acting too.
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Blair Leatherwood
> Blair Leatherwood wrote:
>> I had the opportunity to be background in an episode of NBC's
>> soon-to-be-no-longer-on-the-air show "Trauma". That episode will be
>> airing on Monday, November 2 at 9pm.
>>
>> With any luck, I might even get some camera time. Look for the
>> balding (I do have hair up there, but it vanished when a camera's put
>> on it!) guy in the suit on the bus. I'm the only one in a suit on the
>> bus, so that makes it a little easier. I had no lines, and not enough
>> blood, but it was great fun!
>>
>> This should be on the NBC website as well. The trailer's already up
>> at NBC and imdb, if anyone's interested. I'm in that about 8 seconds
>> in, slumped over in the bus.
>>
>> http://www.nbc.com/trauma/video/clips/maidez/1169824/
>>
>> Blair
>>
>>
> Well done, Blair!
> Excellent acting too.
>
Blair
Patty Winter
In article <hchhvn$u2q$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blair Leatherwood <bleath...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Patty Winter wrote:
[older text deleted]
>> Where was your scene filmed? It looks like they're doing some
>> second-unit photography in San Francisco. I got a glimpse of
>> Victorian bay windows in that promo.
>
>They're shooting it entirely in SF. It's probably one of the reasons
>NBC decided not to pick up the rest of the season. It's apparently
>their most expensive show, and it hasn't done well enough in the ratings
>to warrant continuing it.
Oh, interesting. I had asked about that on rec.arts.tv when the
show first started and was assured that only the pilot was shot
in the city, so I haven't been bothering to watch it.
>Our sequence was at 13th and Folsom; we pretty much had one city block
>tied up for two days (probably more, since they shot the
>bus/ambulance/taxi crash the day before).
Yeah, I'll bet that took a while!
Anyway, I'll be out on Monday evening but will try to remember to
tape the show. Thanks for the info.
Patty
Wes Struebing
W00t! Coolness, Blair!
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If you're gonna be in a massive bus crash, that's the way to do it!
cd
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The difference between immorality and immortality is "T". I like Earl
Grey.
Matt Ion
> I had the opportunity to be background in an episode of NBC's
> soon-to-be-no-longer-on-the-air show "Trauma".
Oh good... I watched a bit of the premiere, and thought it was terrible.
Third Watch meets Melrose Place. Good to know it'll be short-lived.
Some gorgeous shots of San Fran tho!
Blair Leatherwood
"terrible", but it certainly wasn't special. It got ridiculous a few
times (oh, look, someone we've never seen before--guess they're going to
get injured/impaled/something pretty quick), but I think that the show
was finally starting to hit a stride. The writing relaxed a little bit,
and the sense that SF was not a safe place to be started to dissipate.
From a personal standpoint, I am sorry to see the show go only because
of the jobs in Northern CA that will be lost (not that that's *any*
reason to keep an underperforming show on the air!).
Blair
David E. Powell
Very few shows and movies seem to get done in CA and that's sad.
Seemed to be even B-Movies got shot in the desert and small towns all
the time. Heck, even right in SF and LA.
Blair Leatherwood
production here in CA. We finally did something about it this summer
(legislation was passed to improve tax incentives in CA to make
ourselves more competitive with other states), so we'll see how that works.
Here in Sacramento, the mayor has begun a real push to bring arts and
arts education into the mainstream. This will take some time, but we're
hoping for good things down the road. I'm on one of the committees
trying to revitalize our area as a production location.
Many folks would be quite surprised at how much has been shot in and
around our area over time, from the silent days to now. We can be
pretty much anywhere in the world within a very short radius, and we've
got great weather, too.
Blair
Matt Ion
>> Very few shows and movies seem to get done in CA and that's sad.
>> Seemed to be even B-Movies got shot in the desert and small towns all
>> the time. Heck, even right in SF and LA.
>>
> Yep. We've not done ourselves many favors with regard to keeping
> production here in CA. We finally did something about it this summer
> (legislation was passed to improve tax incentives in CA to make
> ourselves more competitive with other states), so we'll see how that works.
>
> ...
>
> Many folks would be quite surprised at how much has been shot in and
> around our area over time, from the silent days to now. We can be pretty
> much anywhere in the world within a very short radius, and we've got
> great weather, too.
Funny... most of that could have just been describing Vancouver, aka
Hollywood North :) We've done stand-in not just for Smallville and
Metropolis, and most other cities and regions on earth, but for every
other planet in the Stargate and BSG universes :) New Kobol and the Nox
homeworld are both about 15 minutes from my place.
David Williams
"Blair Leatherwood" <bleath...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hclb44$o96$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> From a personal standpoint, I am sorry to see the show go
My sympathies.
Never seen an episode, and probably won't, so completely unable to make
critical comments specific in nature.
But to postulate, I feel the medical Drama formula is simply worn the hell
out. (Note the capital "D" in Drama with the lowercase "m" in medical...)
My wife and I actually celebrated when ER finally ended. She found Grey's
Anatomy entertaining for the first season or so, but has since dumped it.
Whenever I see trailers for new medical dramas all I can think is, "Actors
in high dudgeon spewing medical techno-babble in between bed-hopping."
That said, I do enjoy House, but again, NOT for the medicine. I'm a Hugh
Laurie fan from WAY back (I.e. Black Adder, Touch of Frost and Laurie,
etc.).
Regards and Good Luck,
David W.
Kathryn Huxtable
Blair Leatherwood
angles/twists/variations on themes. But that ain't gonna stop writers
and producers from trying!
David Williams
"Kathryn Huxtable" <kat...@kathrynhuxtable.org> wrote in message
news:m2hbtby...@kathrynhuxtable.org...
> Did you mean "Bits of Fry and Laurie"?
Yes, I did. Late. Tired. 14 hours with a toddler. Pick your excuse.
That and I haven't seen it in quite some time. Though I also like Stephen
Fry, so not sure why I blanked on his name...
OK, just paused to look at IMDB, and I think I figured out what happened. I
conflated the titles of the "A Touch of Frost" British detective series with
"A Bit of Fry and Laurie." That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
...though, A Touch of Frost and Laurie might be an interesting idea.
Imagine House as half of a detective buddy series...
Regards,
David W.
David Williams
> Can't completely disagree with you--it sure is hard to come up with new
> angles/twists/variations on themes. But that ain't gonna stop writers and
> producers from trying!
Unfortunately, it's easier to re-package and re-sell the same old tripe.
(Though, not sure I'D buy old re-packaged tripe... I won't even buy fresh
tripe!)
Original shows just can't seem to make it - Pushing Daisies, The Riches,
Carnivale, et al.
That said, who's looking forward to the re-hash of "V"?!
Regards,
David W.
Patty Winter
In article <hcpnkd$nog$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
David Williams <kos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>OK, just paused to look at IMDB, and I think I figured out what happened. I
>conflated the titles of the "A Touch of Frost" British detective series with
>"A Bit of Fry and Laurie." That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
>
>...though, A Touch of Frost and Laurie might be an interesting idea.
>Imagine House as half of a detective buddy series...
I'm still waiting for Stephen Fry to show up on "House"! He's been
in "Bones," so Fox obviously knows that he exists...(I know, I know--
different production companies. But same network.)
Patty
Kurt Ullman
Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
> I'm still waiting for Stephen Fry to show up on "House"! He's been
> in "Bones," so Fox obviously knows that he exists...(I know, I know--
> different production companies. But same network.)
>
>
Fry is supposed to be showing up again on Bones.
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and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
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Patty Winter
In article <kurtullman-D1388...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <4af0794e$0$1651$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm still waiting for Stephen Fry to show up on "House"! He's been
>> in "Bones," so Fox obviously knows that he exists...(I know, I know--
>> different production companies. But same network.)
>>
> Fry is supposed to be showing up again on Bones.
Glad to hear it, but I still want him on "House"!
Patty
Kathryn Huxtable
I didn't care for the original "V" and don't care about the new version,
even if it *does* have Morena Baccarin in it.
But Carnivale was good in the first season and fell apart in the second
season. The second season had some good material, but was overall not
nearly as good.
-K
Kathryn Huxtable
It *is* an interesting title, and I thought so when I read it.
-K
Duggy
> That said, who's looking forward to the re-hash of "V"?!
With the usual mixture of hope and dread.
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Duggy
wrote:
> I didn't care for the original "V" and don't care about the new version,
> even if it *does* have Morena Baccarin in it.
I wasn't allowed to watch it as a kid, so purchased the whole thing
including the Series on video about a decade back.
I like the premise and the show had a certain enjoyability. A remake
might be a good thing, it may not. We'll see I guess.
> But Carnivale was good in the first season and fell apart in the second
> season. The second season had some good material, but was overall not
> nearly as good.
Yeah, fell apart a little. Still regretable they didn't have a 3...
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= DUG.
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Duggy
> "Kathryn Huxtable" <kath...@kathrynhuxtable.org> wrote in message
Perhaps "Jeeves & Wooster fight crime" would work.
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M.J. Sammon
those "what was I thinking?!" moments. Cheesy costumes, terrible acting, plot holes, etc.
I must have had _way_ too much free time back then to watch this series.
Not looking forward to the re-hash...
Mike
Matt Ion
Or your youthful hormones were under the insidious control of hot female
aliens with huge racks packed inside red pleather!
Blair Leatherwood
Blair Leatherwood
I think the biggest mistake they made back then was going to series.
This type of story is better suited to short form (movie, miniseries),
unless you've got a longer-range goal in mind (novel for television?
five-year arc?). Unless the current creative team has something in mind
for the future, they're going to bog down eventually and wind up in the
same trap as the original series.
I'm looking forward to this one a hell of a lot more than I am The
Prisoner (I think I'll avoid that one).
Blair
Amy Guskin
(in article <hcgf69$9av$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
> I had the opportunity to be background in an episode of NBC's
> soon-to-be-no-longer-on-the-air show "Trauma". That episode will be
> airing on Monday, November 2 at 9pm.
>
> With any luck, I might even get some camera time. Look for the balding
> (I do have hair up there, but it vanished when a camera's put on it!)
> guy in the suit on the bus. I'm the only one in a suit on the bus, so
> that makes it a little easier. I had no lines, and not enough blood,
> but it was great fun! <<
Hey, Blair, I just caught the episode. Nice work, and that was _some_
impressive accident with the bus in the opening!
Amy
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Blair Leatherwood
>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:41:43 -0400, Blair Leatherwood wrote
> (in article <hcgf69$9av$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
>
>> I had the opportunity to be background in an episode of NBC's
>> soon-to-be-no-longer-on-the-air show "Trauma". That episode will be
>> airing on Monday, November 2 at 9pm.
>>
>> With any luck, I might even get some camera time. Look for the balding
>> (I do have hair up there, but it vanished when a camera's put on it!)
>> guy in the suit on the bus. I'm the only one in a suit on the bus, so
>> that makes it a little easier. I had no lines, and not enough blood,
>> but it was great fun! <<
>
> Hey, Blair, I just caught the episode. Nice work, and that was _some_
> impressive accident with the bus in the opening!
>
> Amy
Wasn't it?
They shot that the day before we got there. The "parked" cars on both
sides of the street were bolted together to prevent the bus (or the
ambulance) from jumping the curbs.
And when they cut the cab, the two actors were still inside it! Covered
with a heavy tarp, but still...it took a good 10-15 minutes to do the
actual cutting; they said it was kind of terrifying.
Blair
Patty Winter
In article <hcsqkd$oct$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blair Leatherwood <bleath...@comcast.net> wrote:
[unneded text deleeted]
>And when they cut the cab, the two actors were still inside it! Covered
>with a heavy tarp, but still...it took a good 10-15 minutes to do the
>actual cutting; they said it was kind of terrifying.
And were the actors playing the EMTs really upside down for a while?
I would *not* do well as an actress if I had to do that...I'd either
faint or get sick pretty fast. :-)
Patty
Blair Leatherwood
Yes, they were! They did have some support (if you notice, the actress
had most of her weight on her shoulders and upper back); but I'm sure it
still wasn't comfortable!
Blair
Kathryn Huxtable
This one looks like a Glenn Beck fantasy. I think I'll pass.
-K
M.J. Sammon
>> I think the biggest mistake they made back then was going to
>> series. This type of story is better suited to short form (movie,
>> miniseries), unless you've got a longer-range goal in mind (novel for
>> television? five-year arc?). Unless the current creative team has
>> something in mind for the future, they're going to bog down eventually
>> and wind up in the same trap as the original series.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to this one a hell of a lot more than I am The
>> Prisoner (I think I'll avoid that one).
>
> This one looks like a Glenn Beck fantasy. I think I'll pass.
>
> -K
>
Not sure I see the connection to Beck...
After seeing the trailers, McKellen sounds a bit too much like Magneto -- ready to summon up Mystique to do his bidding.
Kathryn Huxtable
Well, it's loose, but here goes: It's basically taking a Glenn Beck/Faux
News attitude towards Obamamania. The idea that the lizard people make
themselves look like beautiful humans and everyone loves them, but they
have a hidden evil agenda.
See
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-v-1102-1103nov03,0,7062976.story
I won't be watching it, but not only for that reason. I'm getting pretty
tired of television sf, and rehashes in particular.
-K
Duggy
> I think the biggest mistake they made back then was going to series.
> This type of story is better suited to short form (movie, miniseries),
> unless you've got a longer-range goal in mind (novel for television?
> five-year arc?).
Well, the budget was certainly better for short big projects rather
than a small one.
I think the big problem was that the second mini pretty much closed
the story then they had to reopen it for the series...
> Unless the current creative team has something in mind
> for the future, they're going to bog down eventually and wind up in the
> same trap as the original series.
Maybe... certainly not as quickly as the old series, certainly.
> I'm looking forward to this one a hell of a lot more than I am The
> Prisoner (I think I'll avoid that one).
That one is more worrying.
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= DUG.
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M.J. Sammon
Mike
Kathryn Huxtable
David Williams
>>> See
>>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-v-1102-1103nov03,0,7062976.story
>>>
>>> I won't be watching it, but not only for that reason. I'm getting pretty
>>> tired of television sf, and rehashes in particular.
>>>
>>> -K
>>>
>> Sorry, I thought you were referring to The Prisoner, not V. Now I see.
>
> Sorry I wasn't clear. No Scientology reference intended.
>
> -K
>
............OK, I don't get the "No Scientology reference" reference.
But I too was confused about which show you were planning not to watch.
Regardless, for my part, the new V simply doesn't interest me enough to
watch it.
OTOH, I do intend to give the new Prisoner a try. I will try to approach it
with an open mind; i.e. a tabla rasa, and judge it on its own merits rather
than trying to compare it to McGoohan's classic.
That said, while I too am tired or rehashes, this show intrigues me. That
is, they are reimagining a little-known cult classic from 1960's British tv.
(Before anyone jumps on me, I mean "little-known" in the context of broader
society, particularly in the U.S. I've tried to talk to friends and
neighbors about the show, and haven't found one yet that has ANY idea what
I'm talking about!) Anyway, I think it is a testament to the original
source material that they feel it deserves a fresh treatment. Risking
hyperbole, Shakespeare has been redone for hundreds of years, why not
McGoohan?
And if it turns out to suck, well, that's what the Delete button on the DVR
is for...
Regards,
David W.
Amy Guskin
(in article <hd3lpv$8d2$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
>
> That said, while I too am tired or rehashes, this show intrigues me. That
> is, they are reimagining a little-known cult classic from 1960's British tv.
> (Before anyone jumps on me, I mean "little-known" in the context of broader
> society, particularly in the U.S. I've tried to talk to friends and
> neighbors about the show, and haven't found one yet that has ANY idea what
> I'm talking about!) Anyway, I think it is a testament to the original
> source material that they feel it deserves a fresh treatment. Risking
> hyperbole, Shakespeare has been redone for hundreds of years, why not
> McGoohan? <<
Right, but what have people remembered for hundreds of years: the original
Shakespeare plays, or the "re-imaginings"? For the most part (excepting a
few bursts of brilliance like "West Side Story"), the original plays.
Kathryn Huxtable
> "Kathryn Huxtable" <kat...@kathrynhuxtable.org> wrote in message
> news:m2y6mji...@kathrynhuxtable.org...
>>>> See
>>>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-v-1102-1103nov03,0,7062976.story
>>>>
>>>> I won't be watching it, but not only for that reason. I'm getting pretty
>>>> tired of television sf, and rehashes in particular.
>>>>
>>>> -K
>>>>
>>> Sorry, I thought you were referring to The Prisoner, not V. Now I see.
>>
>> Sorry I wasn't clear. No Scientology reference intended.
>>
>> -K
>>
>
> ............OK, I don't get the "No Scientology reference" reference.
"Clear" is a Scientology term. It refers to clearing your mind of bad
"engrams", which are thought patterns. They do this by charging you
money. It's a bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist.
-K
Duggy
> Right, but what have people remembered for hundreds of years: the original
> Shakespeare plays, or the "re-imaginings"? For the most part (excepting a
> few bursts of brilliance like "West Side Story"), the original plays.
Although there is constant debate amongst scholars as to what
constitutes Shakespeare's original plays as the versions we have
aren't directly what he wrote but his works revised, adapted,
shortened, lenghtened and catered to different audiences and edited by
people with their own ideas what was original and what wasn't.
===
= DUG.
===
Amy Guskin
(in article
<af7d7983-ca16-458c...@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com>):
Read "what are generally accepted as Shakespeare's plays" for "Shakespeare's
John W. Kennedy
> Never seen an episode, and probably won't, so completely unable to make
> critical comments specific in nature.
"Trauma" has had its beauties, including some stunning aerial shots.
> But to postulate, I feel the medical Drama formula is simply worn the hell
> out. (Note the capital "D" in Drama with the lowercase "m" in medical...)
> My wife and I actually celebrated when ER finally ended. She found Grey's
> Anatomy entertaining for the first season or so, but has since dumped it.
> Whenever I see trailers for new medical dramas all I can think is, "Actors
> in high dudgeon spewing medical techno-babble in between bed-hopping."
I find Taylor Schilling, the leading actress in the new series
"Mercy", absolutely stunning, and /not/ because she's a hot blonde; I
think she's the best actress I've seen as a lead on US television
since Mira Furlan. (You read it here first.)
It's not the genre that matters; it's the writing and the acting. All
the rest is tinsel and glitter.
John W. Kennedy
> Right, but what have people remembered for hundreds of years: the original
> Shakespeare plays, or the "re-imaginings"? For the most part (excepting a
> few bursts of brilliance like "West Side Story"), the original plays.
But, with only one or two possible exceptions, Shakespeare's plays are
"re-imaginings" of an existing something that he had read somewhere,
from ancient Roman comedies (themselves based on ancient Greek
comedies) to "Don Quixote". Sorry, but that bird ain't gonna fly nohow.
Joe Osman
wrote:
> "David Williams" <kosh...@comcast.net> writes:
> > "Blair Leatherwood" <bleatherw...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:hcpiq2$brj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> Can't completely disagree with you--it sure is hard to come up with new
> >> angles/twists/variations on themes. But that ain't gonna stop writers and
> >> producers from trying!
>
> > Unfortunately, it's easier to re-package and re-sell the same old tripe.
> > (Though, not sure I'D buy old re-packaged tripe... I won't even buy fresh
> > tripe!)
>
> > Original shows just can't seem to make it - Pushing Daisies, The Riches,
> > Carnivale, et al.
> > That said, who's looking forward to the re-hash of "V"?!
>
> even if it *does* have Morena Baccarin in it.
>
> season. The second season had some good material, but was overall not
> nearly as good.
>
Heroes has an pale imitation "Carnivale" atmosphere this season. Maybe
they hope the bright lights will wake up the viewers.
Supernatural is rehashing the "Not as Good as you first thought" vs.
"Not as Evil as you first thought" war with humans trying to opt out
that was done so well on B5.
Joe
Josh Hill
<Joseph...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Heroes has an pale imitation "Carnivale" atmosphere this season. Maybe
>they hope the bright lights will wake up the viewers.
>
>Supernatural is rehashing the "Not as Good as you first thought" vs.
>"Not as Evil as you first thought" war with humans trying to opt out
>that was done so well on B5.
Never saw Carnivale, but the carnival in Heros is certainly stale!
Evil carnival, talk about cliches. That just happens to pop out of
nowhere, too -- I mean, where were these people who know all about the
heroes and the Company in the earlier seasons?
Heroes lost all sense of threat and adventure a long time ago, turned
into sort of a super-power soap opera. At least the show has been
coherent this year, last year it was a frenetic mishmash -- let's make
Sylar good this week, let's make Sylar family next, let's make Sylar
not family next, and bad again next, and then kill him, and then stick
him in someone else's head . . .
The ironic thing is that the show would have been fine if they'd just
left things alone: an evil Sylar, a sinister and mysterious Company, a
nefarious plot to destroy something or other. Plenty of fodder for
plenty of eps.
--
Josh
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress
depends on the unreasonable man."
- George Bernard Shaw
Josh Hill
<kos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>That said, who's looking forward to the re-hash of "V"?!
I saw the first episode. It really was a re-hash, wasn't it -- they
just took the original and reshot it without much in the way of
re-imagining. I found it rather boring. Wonder whether I should bother
watching the second episode . . .
Josh Hill
<bleath...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Can't completely disagree with you--it sure is hard to come up with new
>angles/twists/variations on themes. But that ain't gonna stop writers
>and producers from trying!
It requires a rare gift, doesn't it. Which being said, I've noticed
that hybridization can be an effective means of wringing new life from
old genres, e.g., J. K. Rowling combined the British school days novel
with sword and sorcery, Gene Roddenberry combined the sea faring novel
with the science fiction anthology show, House is Sherlock Homes
crossed with the doctor show, etc. In other cases, it's just a matter
of staying within a genre but having those rare gifts, imagination and
voice . . .
M.J. Sammon
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:30:24 -0800 (PST), Joe Osman
> <Joseph...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Heroes has an pale imitation "Carnivale" atmosphere this season. Maybe
>> they hope the bright lights will wake up the viewers.
>>
>> Supernatural is rehashing the "Not as Good as you first thought" vs.
>> "Not as Evil as you first thought" war with humans trying to opt out
>> that was done so well on B5.
>
> Never saw Carnivale, but the carnival in Heros is certainly stale!
> Evil carnival, talk about cliches. That just happens to pop out of
> nowhere, too -- I mean, where were these people who know all about the
> heroes and the Company in the earlier seasons?
>
> Heroes lost all sense of threat and adventure a long time ago, turned
> into sort of a super-power soap opera. At least the show has been
> coherent this year, last year it was a frenetic mishmash -- let's make
> Sylar good this week, let's make Sylar family next, let's make Sylar
> not family next, and bad again next, and then kill him, and then stick
> him in someone else's head . . .
>
> The ironic thing is that the show would have been fine if they'd just
> left things alone: an evil Sylar, a sinister and mysterious Company, a
> nefarious plot to destroy something or other. Plenty of fodder for
> plenty of eps.
>
This thing with Claire and her roommate... is Claire straight, bi, lesbian? This is not
gonna keep me tuning in each week. Also, Hiro all of a sudden wants to go back in time
to fix things - what's up with that? It would be so much more exciting if they could pair him
with George Takei again and do a storyline with that. I could go on and on...
One thing, I do miss Mohinder's introductory prologues.
Mike
Vince M Hudd
[...]
> Never saw Carnivale, but the carnival in [spoiled show]
Thanks for that. It looks fairly minor - the premise for the next season
(yet to appear here) - rather than important details, but it's more than I
would have preferred to know beforehand.
--
Vince M Hudd - Soft Rock Software
http://www.softrock.co.uk
http://misc.vinceh.com
Amy Guskin
(in article <rUDKm.26541$6c2....@newsfe03.iad>):
> Josh Hill wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:30:24 -0800 (PST), Joe Osman
>> <Joseph...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Heroes has an pale imitation "Carnivale" atmosphere this season. Maybe
>>> they hope the bright lights will wake up the viewers.
>>>
>>> Supernatural is rehashing the "Not as Good as you first thought" vs.
>>> "Not as Evil as you first thought" war with humans trying to opt out
>>> that was done so well on B5.
>>
>> Never saw Carnivale, but the carnival in Heros is certainly stale!
>> Evil carnival, talk about cliches. That just happens to pop out of
>> nowhere, too -- I mean, where were these people who know all about the
>> heroes and the Company in the earlier seasons?
>>
>> Heroes lost all sense of threat and adventure a long time ago, turned
>> into sort of a super-power soap opera. At least the show has been
>> coherent this year, last year it was a frenetic mishmash -- let's make
>> Sylar good this week, let's make Sylar family next, let's make Sylar
>> not family next, and bad again next, and then kill him, and then stick
>> him in someone else's head . . .
>>
>> The ironic thing is that the show would have been fine if they'd just
>> left things alone: an evil Sylar, a sinister and mysterious Company, a
>> nefarious plot to destroy something or other. Plenty of fodder for
>> plenty of eps.
>>
> Agreed! I think Heroes still has writers from the daytime soaps penning the
> episodes. <<
Most daytime soaps are tighter and more comprehensible than "Heroes" has been
lately. Don't blame soap writers: it's an honorable profession, and a pretty
demanding one, too (think of the pace required when you're writing five hours
of television a week, every week, with no breaks for holidays or
off-seasons).
>> This thing with Claire and her roommate... is Claire straight, bi, lesbian?
> This is not
> gonna keep me tuning in each week. Also, Hiro all of a sudden wants to go
> back in time
> to fix things - what's up with that? It would be so much more exciting if
> they could pair him
> with George Takei again and do a storyline with that. I could go on and
on... <<
I didn't mind that they went back to the Charlie storyline, but I wish they
had done it better.
This carnival storyline is really awful, though. It's like they're throwing
everything imaginable against the wall, hoping against hope that something
will stick.
Amy Guskin
this season, when apparently our friends across the pond haven't seen it yet.
I thought it had aired there simultaneously. My apologies for anything I
said that was a spoiler. I'll try to leave space from now on.
Josh Hill
wrote:
>Agreed! I think Heroes still has writers from the daytime soaps penning the episodes.
>This thing with Claire and her roommate... is Claire straight, bi, lesbian? This is not
>gonna keep me tuning in each week. Also, Hiro all of a sudden wants to go back in time
>to fix things - what's up with that? It would be so much more exciting if they could pair him
>with George Takei again and do a storyline with that. I could go on and on...
>
>One thing, I do miss Mohinder's introductory prologues.
Big mistake to kill of Takei's character, he was compelling.
Maybe Claire's roommate has a power that makes her trisexual . . .
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:36:11 -0500, Josh Hill wrote
(in article <p1mmf5hs43rtsd19f...@4ax.com>):
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:03:55 -0500, "M.J. Sammon" <mjps...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed! I think Heroes still has writers from the daytime soaps penning
>> the episodes.
>> This thing with Claire and her roommate... is Claire straight, bi, lesbian?
>> This is not
>> gonna keep me tuning in each week. Also, Hiro all of a sudden wants to go
>> back in time
>> to fix things - what's up with that? It would be so much more exciting if
>> they could pair him
>> with George Takei again and do a storyline with that. I could go on and
>> on...
>>
>> One thing, I do miss Mohinder's introductory prologues.
>
> Big mistake to kill of Takei's character, he was compelling.
>
> Maybe Claire's roommate has a power that makes her trisexual . . .
>
>
--
Josh Hill
Nah, you really did it so I'd notice my typo . . .
Elko T
You didn't mean it? Oh... Now I'm disappointed. :)
Jeffrey Kaplan
> Just popping in to give this thread a proper title, and some spoiler space.
Heroes is already spoiled.
--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol
"So if I'm feeling insecure, hugging you will make me feel better?"
(Matthew Stoner, B5 "Soul Mates")
Josh Hill
Post it on a Heroes newsgroup, they'll probably use it . . .
Josh Hill
wrote:
>Previously on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Amy Guskin said:
>
>> Just popping in to give this thread a proper title, and some spoiler space.
>
>Heroes is already spoiled.
Just watched the most recent episode. Painful.
Amy Guskin
(in article <rtpmf51nvoh7ekjre...@gordol.org>):
> Previously on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Amy Guskin said:
>
>> Just popping in to give this thread a proper title, and some spoiler space.
>
> Heroes is already spoiled. <<
Yeah, it's gone from something I _really_ looked forward to every week to
something I grudgingly watch to see how low they'll sink. Wanna see
something that made me sad?
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/heroes/heroes_storylines_that_went_n
o.php
Amy
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
> Previously on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Amy Guskin said:
>
>> Just popping in to give this thread a proper title, and some spoiler space.
>
> Heroes is already spoiled.
One thing's for sure: I don't have much trouble falling to sleep
Monday nights. I mean, seriously, this season of Heroes is a
snoozefest. C'mon -- carnies? We had seasons of "the world is about
to end" and now I'm supposed to care about some guy afraid of a
compass or something? The only interest I can muster is wondering
just why anyone would follow that guy to begin with.
But I still like Hiro and Matt and, of course, Sylar. But my interest
is plummeting almost as fast as their ratings.
--
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
Promote someone else.
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
> http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/heroes/heroes_storylines_that_went_no.php
Wow. I had forgotten how good the show once was! Now we get a woman
who can "see sound" (wow, yay, can't want to see what happens with
that) and all of the sudden we're learning about Claire's dad's
almost-affair from a season we actually liked. But don't worry, that
won't actually go anywhere either, she has no memory of it.... Aren't
you glad they showed that to us now!?
voxwoman
>
> Wow. I had forgotten how good the show once was! Now we get a woman
> who can "see sound" (wow, yay, can't want to see what happens with
> that) and all of the sudden we're learning about Claire's dad's
> almost-affair from a season we actually liked. But don't worry, that
> won't actually go anywhere either, she has no memory of it.... Aren't
> you glad they showed that to us now!?
LOL. I thought at least she was going to be the "cheerleader that
looked like Claire that Sylar killed" instead of the other cheerleader
- that would have made more sense in a lot of ways (she sort of looked
like Claire and agents are supposed to get in harm's way to protect
the innocent), and then she would be dead and there wouldn't have been
an affair to worry about later.
And I do find it annoying to have people who more rightly belong in
the "Avatar: The Last Air Bender" movie than in Heroes. That carny
dude is an earth bender, and whenever he manifests his powers, that's
all I can think about.
The only thing that keeps me watching is Hiro (and his girlfriend from
"Glee"), although the Parkman/Sylar rip off of BSG (Baltar/Six) has
been amusing. I'm just glad the Trek movie comes out on DVD soon.
Quinto was really good in that.
-Wendy
M.J. Sammon
<deleted spoiler stuff> sorry, should have been thinking more clearly...
>> Agreed! I think Heroes still has writers from the daytime soaps penning the
>> episodes. <<
>
> Most daytime soaps are tighter and more comprehensible than "Heroes" has been
> lately. Don't blame soap writers: it's an honorable profession, and a pretty
> demanding one, too (think of the pace required when you're writing five hours
> of television a week, every week, with no breaks for holidays or
> off-seasons).
>
I wasn't trying to bash soap writers. I agree, it's a difficult and
demanding job, requiring them to write in a style that tries to get
their audience to tune in every day -- convoluted
plot twists, characters getting killed off and re-appearing, etc.
My real complaint was directed towards the writers on Heroes.
They seem to be adopting the same plot vices that soaps use.
It wouldn't be hard for the folks in RASTB5M to come up with far better script ideas.
Why can't Heroes?
Mike
Jeffrey Kaplan
> >> Just popping in to give this thread a proper title, and some spoiler space.
> >Heroes is already spoiled.
> Just watched the most recent episode. Painful.
I stopped watching an episode or two before the last season finale.
Somewhere in the middle of Sylar's then-latest good-guy/bad-guy
identity crisis.
--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection
"I've always thought that if you're going to sin you might as well go
for one of the +really+ big ones." (Bro. Edward, B5 "Passing Through
Gethsemane")
Vince M Hudd
Gah!
Yes, I *know* the subject mentions Heroes. And spoilers.
Unfortunately, keyboard shortcuts can't themselves read, and peripheral
vision means I read more of that than I would have liked to before I
realised what had been opened. :(
Amy Guskin
(in article <gemini.kt0iln0...@softrock.co.uk>):
> voxwoman <voxw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gah!
>
> Yes, I *know* the subject mentions Heroes. And spoilers.
>
> Unfortunately, keyboard shortcuts can't themselves read, and peripheral
> vision means I read more of that than I would have liked to before I
> realised what had been opened. :( <<
Well, now, _this_ time you can't blame us. I have, on occasion, mistakenly
opened a post with "spoiler" in the title and been sorry I'd done so, but
it's really hard to blame the poster when it _said_ "spoiler" outright in the
subject line.
Mac Breck
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:41:46 +0000, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
>
>> Previously on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Amy Guskin said:
>>
>>> Just popping in to give this thread a proper title, and some
>>> spoiler space.
>>
>> Heroes is already spoiled.
>
> One thing's for sure: I don't have much trouble falling to sleep
> Monday nights. I mean, seriously, this season of Heroes is a
> snoozefest. C'mon -- carnies? We had seasons of "the world is about
> to end" and now I'm supposed to care about some guy afraid of a
> compass or something? The only interest I can muster is wondering
> just why anyone would follow that guy to begin with.
>
> But I still like Hiro and Matt and, of course, Sylar.
Not Ando and Noah?
> But my interest
> is plummeting almost as fast as their ratings.
Much like my interest in The X-Files waned after Season 5.
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
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"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999) - "War Zone"
Galen (to Gideon): "I've been penalized before for helping other
people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."
Mac Breck
> Previously on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Josh Hill said:
>
>>>> Just popping in to give this thread a proper title, and some
>>>> spoiler space.
>>> Heroes is already spoiled.
>> Just watched the most recent episode. Painful.
>
> I stopped watching an episode or two before the last season finale.
> Somewhere in the middle of Sylar's then-latest good-guy/bad-guy
> identity crisis.
You know there's trouble when somebody says "then-latest" ....Heroes
going in circles, wandering aimlessly. Is there a point to this show, a
Point B they have in mind where they want to end up?
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
>> But I still like Hiro and Matt and, of course, Sylar.
>
> Not Ando and Noah?
Sure, I like Ando. I liked Noah, but not so much this season.
James A. Robbins
news:0001HW.C720AF2A...@news.eternal-september.org...
> This carnival storyline is really awful, though. It's like they're
> throwing
> everything imaginable against the wall, hoping against hope that something
> will stick.
"Sspluush!"
Somebody's gonna have to clean that up!
--
James A. Robbins
I'm not Asleep,
I'm Just Rationing My Consciousness
Vince M Hudd
> > > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:08:11 -0500, Vince M Hudd wrote
> (in article <gemini.kt0iln0...@softrock.co.uk>):
> > Gah!
> >
> > Yes, I *know* the subject mentions Heroes. And spoilers.
> >
> > Unfortunately, keyboard shortcuts can't themselves read, and peripheral
> > vision means I read more of that than I would have liked to before I
> > realised what had been opened. :( <<
> Well, now, _this_ time you can't blame us. I have, on occasion,
> mistakenly opened a post with "spoiler" in the title and been sorry I'd
> done so, but it's really hard to blame the poster when it _said_ "spoiler"
> outright in the subject line.
Actually, I can.
Spoiler *space* should be used for precisely the reason I've given above. To
use the spoiler warning in the subject line requires the assumption that
everyone reads usenet the way you (generically, to whoever thinks the word
spoiler is as effective as space) do - but not everyone does.
The way I read news is to open the first unread article in the group. Read
it. Press Ctrl-D (the relevant shortcut in my particular news client). This
deletes the message, opening the next one. I don't *see* the subject of the
next message until it is opened, at which time I can *also* see the content.
Spoiler space would push that content down the screen and help prevent that.
That's why spoiler space was "invented" instead of assuming, from the
outset, that a spoiler warning was sufficient.
The reason I read news that way is because I find it the quickest way to
read through all my groups.
Note: This thread is now killed with the exception of messages whose
references include my m-IDs.
Vince M Hudd
After my last comment, a small memory triggered about a little story told on
another group a few years ago from before I first joined it - indeed, from
before it was formed. So I thought I'd look it up.
I haven't found it yet, but I did happen across this ironic comment:
"Realistically, if you want strict control of spoilers and other
nuisances, you want a moderated group, which this is not."
Jeffrey Kaplan
> > I stopped watching an episode or two before the last season finale.
> > Somewhere in the middle of Sylar's then-latest good-guy/bad-guy
> > identity crisis.
>
> You know there's trouble when somebody says "then-latest" ....Heroes
> going in circles, wandering aimlessly. Is there a point to this show, a
> Point B they have in mind where they want to end up?
IIRC, it was supposed to be one season per story, with a completely new
cast of characters each season. Then the Network Suits decided that
they know better than the guy(s) who actually created and wrote the
top-rated show.
Josh Hill
wrote:
>I stopped watching an episode or two before the last season finale.
>Somewhere in the middle of Sylar's then-latest good-guy/bad-guy
>identity crisis.
I stopped then too. Then started watching again this season, it seemed
at first like it had gone back to being good, so I went back and
finished off the last season. Unfortunately, it deteriorated again . .
..
Joe Osman
> >> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:03:55 -0500, M.J. Sammon wrote
>
Sorry about the spoiler.
I noticed no one commented about Supernatural. I really like it. It's
got some great dialog and a lot of humor in addition to a five year
arc. The writers tend to concentrate on the two brothers which makes
folding in a B story that advances the arc hard to do in the earlier
parts of the season, but the last 8 or so episodes of a season are all
about the arc.
Joe
Joe
Amy Guskin
(in article
<9ad65441-e684-40e3...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>):
>
> Sorry about the spoiler.
>
> I noticed no one commented about Supernatural. I really like it. It's
> got some great dialog and a lot of humor in addition to a five year
> arc. The writers tend to concentrate on the two brothers which makes
> folding in a B story that advances the arc hard to do in the earlier
> parts of the season, but the last 8 or so episodes of a season are all
> about the arc. <<
I commented about Supernatural somewhere on this thread, or maybe another,
that it was one of the shows I really looked forward to every week. I think
it gets better and better all the time. Great music, great humor. Plus, no
one does an 'off-format' episode as well as they do!
Vince M Hudd
> > > On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:23:29 -0500, Joe Osman wrote
> (in article
> <9ad65441-e684-40e3...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>):
[...]
> > I noticed no one commented about Supernatural. I really like it. It's
> > got some great dialog and a lot of humor in addition to a five year arc.
> > The writers tend to concentrate on the two brothers which makes folding
> > in a B story that advances the arc hard to do in the earlier parts of
> > the season, but the last 8 or so episodes of a season are all about the
> > arc. <<
> I commented about Supernatural somewhere on this thread, or maybe another,
> that it was one of the shows I really looked forward to every week. I
> think it gets better and better all the time.
Yes. When it first started, I thought "This looks crap, like some kind of
attempt to cash in on Buffy, but what the hell..." and I started watching
expecting it to just pass the time once a week. How wrong was I?
[...]
John W. Kennedy
wrote:
> I had the opportunity to be background in an episode of NBC's
> soon-to-be-no-longer-on-the-air show "Trauma".
Word is that ratings went up and "Trauma" done been got
uncancelificatified.
It's no B5, but it's got style, and the helicopter work in particular
is some of the most beautiful cinematography /ever/ in series
television.
Blair Leatherwood
What we've heard here is that 3 additional episodes were ordered
(bringing the total to 16); not quite a full season, but promising.
Especially for all the crew and local actors!
I've also heard that they did a significant changeover in the writing
staff, which has helped. The early episodes were very frenetic and, at
times, silly, with little or no opportunity to develop *any* of the
characters. That seems to have changed for the better.
As far as the cinematography is concerned, when you've got a city that
looks like that--in sunshine or in fog--how can you go wrong?
Blair