B5 Term "Unstuck In Time" in "Lost"!
Truth_Seeker
by the use of a typical Babylon 5 phrase - "unstuck in time". It looks
like the producers of "Lost" were more influenced by B5 than they are
willing to admit (they also have an episode called "Walkabout"), but
it was kind of cool to hear a quote from my favourite show again . :-)
Amy Guskin
(in article
<9124c5b8-a0e7-43cf...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):
Never read "Slaughterhouse-Five," huh?
And, er...the term "walkabout" seriously predates Babylon 5. Sorry.
Amy
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Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
The phrase pre-dates B5 (at least as far back as 1969 in
Slaughterhouse Five), though I can never hear or read it without my
brain putting it into Zathrus' voice.
--
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
Promote someone else.
Duggy
> And, er...the term "walkabout" seriously predates Babylon 5. Sorry.
Only by a year or two, surely.
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= DUG.
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Kurt Ullman
<c3ff5752-538d-4bae...@2g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
Duggy <p.allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Much more than that... and don't call me Shirley.
Kurt (You really didn't expect that to get past us did you?) Ullman
--
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and the phones don't ring at all.
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Duggy
> In article
> <c3ff5752-538d-4bae-9fac-bc27b11a8...@2g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 6:46 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> > > And, er...the term "walkabout" seriously predates Babylon 5. Sorry.
> > Only by a year or two, surely.
> Much more than that...
A decade?
> and don't call me Shirley.
> Kurt (You really didn't expect that to get past us did you?) Ullman
Expect? I saw it coming. I just felt annoyed that I couldn't phrase
it as "Surely, you can't be serious."
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= DUG.
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Wes Struebing
<grins>
Oh, at least...
Of course, you know that "Slaughterhouse Five" is based on stolen B5
notes?
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and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
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Wes Struebing
...or even "Zathras"?
<hiding behind Any>
Mac Breck
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:52:09 -0600, "Lance Corporal \"Hammer\" Schultz"
> <star...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:55:20 -0800 (PST), Truth_Seeker wrote:
>>
>>> When I watched a "Lost" episode called "The Constant", I was
>>> surprised by the use of a typical Babylon 5 phrase - "unstuck in
>>> time". It looks like the producers of "Lost" were more influenced
>>> by B5 than they are willing to admit (they also have an episode
>>> called "Walkabout"), but it was kind of cool to hear a quote from
>>> my favourite show again . :-)
>>
>> The phrase pre-dates B5 (at least as far back as 1969 in
>> Slaughterhouse Five), though I can never hear or read it without my
>> brain putting it into Zathrus' voice.
>
> ...or even "Zathras"?
>
> <hiding behind Any>
Any of the remaining 9 Zathras.
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999) - "War Zone"
Galen (to Gideon): "I've been penalized before for helping other
people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."
Zarggg
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:52:09 -0600, "Lance Corporal \"Hammer\"
> Schultz" <star...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The phrase pre-dates B5 (at least as far back as 1969 in
>> Slaughterhouse Five), though I can never hear or read it without my
>> brain putting it into Zathrus' voice.
>
> ...or even "Zathras"?
>
> <hiding behind Any>
No, clearly he means "Zathras". ;)
Benjamin Borkenhagen
Zat-who? I guess you mean Zathras - and remember to pay attention to
slight differences in pronunciation ;)
Ben
Andrew Swallow
The term is used in the World War 2 book "A Town like Alice"
and was old then. The Australian Aboriginals go on Walkabouts.
Andrew Swallow
William Rendfeld
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:03:09 -0800 (PST), Duggy
>
>
> >Only by a year or two, surely.
>
> <grins>
>
> Oh, at least...
>
> Of course, you know that "Slaughterhouse Five" is based on stolen B5
> notes?
You mean...Kurt Vonnegut had a working time machine, and no one told
us? That selfish Hoosier jerk!
...he could've at least warned us about Clinton...
Amy Guskin
(in article <38rgh5dsb9j0be7ao...@4ax.com>):
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:52:09 -0600, "Lance Corporal \"Hammer\" Schultz"
> <star...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:55:20 -0800 (PST), Truth_Seeker wrote:
>>
>>> When I watched a "Lost" episode called "The Constant", I was surprised
>>> by the use of a typical Babylon 5 phrase - "unstuck in time". It looks
>>> like the producers of "Lost" were more influenced by B5 than they are
>>> willing to admit (they also have an episode called "Walkabout"), but
>>> it was kind of cool to hear a quote from my favourite show again . :-)
>>
>> The phrase pre-dates B5 (at least as far back as 1969 in
>> Slaughterhouse Five), though I can never hear or read it without my
>> brain putting it into Zathrus' voice.
>
> ...or even "Zathras"?
>
> <hiding behind Any> <<
Behind Any old Amy?
;-)
Amy Guskin
(in article
<a0fbe42e-cd85-40ec...@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>):
> On Dec 3, 8:58 pm, Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:03:09 -0800 (PST), Duggy
>>
>> <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 3, 6:46 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>> And, er...the term "walkabout" seriously predates Babylon 5. Sorry.
>>
>>> Only by a year or two, surely.
>>
>> <grins>
>>
>> Oh, at least...
>>
>> Of course, you know that "Slaughterhouse Five" is based on stolen B5
>> notes?
>
> You mean...Kurt Vonnegut had a working time machine, and no one told
> us? That selfish Hoosier jerk!
>
> ...he could've at least warned us about Clinton... <<
Ha! I laugh, even despite the unwarranted political slam.
David Williams
"William Rendfeld" <WARen...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:a0fbe42e-cd85-40ec...@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> You mean...Kurt Vonnegut had a working time machine, and no
> one told us? That selfish Hoosier jerk!
> ...he could've at least warned us about Clinton...
Well, actually he did. And Bush, et al.
Re-read his books and substitute real names.
Regards,
David W.
David Williams
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Any of the remaining 9 Zathras.
Haven't we been over this before?
What IS the plural of Zathras? Zathrii? Zathrae?
Alan Dicey
> On Dec 3, 10:31 pm, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <c3ff5752-538d-4bae-9fac-bc27b11a8...@2g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 3, 6:46 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>> And, er...the term "walkabout" seriously predates Babylon 5. Sorry.
>>> Only by a year or two, surely.
>> Much more than that...
>
> A decade?
>
You've been told already. Kurt Vonnegut, "Slaughterhouse 5", first
published in 1969.
Alan Dicey
Wikipedia (I know, I know) reckons 1908. The practice is much older,
but its expression in English can only date from when the English
invaders coined a term to express the aboriginal's behaviour.
Neville Shute's book is set in World War II but was published in 1950.
Kurt Ullman
<0001HW.C73DE996...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> Ha! I laugh, even despite the unwarranted political slam.
>
> Amy
At least since the early days of LBJ, there has been no such thing as
an unwarranted political slam. Bipartisan decision at that...
Truth_Seeker
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On 3 ������, 20:52, "Lance Corporal \"Hammer\" Schultz"
That's interesting, thanks. I've always thought that it was first used
in B5.
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
> ...or even "Zathras"?
Yes, I'll never make that mistake again. :-)
Joseph DeMartino
You're kidding, right? Franklin explains the concept of "walkabout"
on screen, and correctly identifies it as a tradition originating with
Australian aborigines. Did you think they came up with it a year or
two before the episode aired? <g>
Obviously the English word can only date back to sometime after the
first encounter between English explorers and native peoples, but the
idea could be many thousands of years old. Merriam-Webster indicates
that the term first appears in print in 1908, but words are generally
in use for a long time before they make it into print, and even then
the earliest print sources may not still exist by the time some
scholar gets curious about the origins of a term. It is a safe bet
that the English word "walkabout" with the meaning Franklin assigned
it predates "B5" by at least a hundred years, not one or two.
Regards,
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
wrote:
> >>> Only by a year or two, surely.
> >> Much more than that...
>
> > A decade?
>
> You've been told already. Kurt Vonnegut, "Slaughterhouse 5", first
> published in 1969.
Actually Duggy was talking about "walkabout", not "unstuck in time"
when he made those statements. Meaning that he was even further off
base. (Vonnegut may have coined "unstuck in time" to describe Billy
Pilgrim's plight 30 or so years before "B5" was on the air, but the
Aboriginal concept of "walkabout" is likely thousands of years old,
and the English word for it has been around for at least a century and
probably.)
William Rendfeld
> >> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:26:09 -0500, William Rendfeld wrote
>
> (in article
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 3, 8:58�pm, Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:03:09 -0800 (PST), Duggy
>
> >> <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Dec 3, 6:46 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Only by a year or two, surely.
>
> >> <grins>
>
> >> Oh, at least...
>
> >> Of course, you know that "Slaughterhouse Five" is based on stolen B5
> >> notes?
>
> > You mean...Kurt Vonnegut had a working time machine, and no one told
> > us? That selfish Hoosier jerk!
>
> > ...he could've at least warned us about Clinton... <<
>
>
...I wasn't trying to be serious or anything, he was just one of the
things I thought of that people would recognize. I'm not fond of him,
yes, but I don't hate the guy.
...knew I should've gone with Furby or Uwe Boll, but did I? No...
Duggy
> Duggywrote:
That's what Franklin claims.
And Australian Aboriginies couldn't have used the term before 1888.
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= DUG.
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Duggy
wrote:
> Duggywrote:
Walkabout?
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= DUG.
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Duggy
Hmmm. Interesting. Australia, you say. Isn't that one of the
ficitional countries in The Princess Bride?
===
= DUG.
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Joseph DeMartino
>
> And Australian Aboriginies couldn't have used the term before 1888.
That's still longer ago than your "one or two years", so I'm not sure
what point you're tyring to make. And that statement is, in any
event, wrong. (On two counts.)
1) Nobody said anything about Native Australians *using* the term.
The discussion has been about an English word that describes an
aboriginal practice.
2) The First Fleet may have begun colonizing Australia in 1888, but
that was hardly the first time English speakers had encountered the
people already living in Australia. The concept of "walkabout" and an
English word for the idea could go back as far as 1622, when an
English ship was wrecked on the Australian coast, or even 1606, if
there were any Englishmen among the crew of any of the many other
European ships that arrived in Australian waters starting in that
year.
Regards,
Joe
John W. Kennedy
> "Mac Breck" <macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
We do not know the language that Zathras speaks, so the only available
plural in English is "Zathrases". The real plural could be almost
anything, perhaps "Zazathras" or "poiZathras" or "ZZathras" or
"Zathraas" or "Zethras" or....
If "Zathras" were Latin, but borrowed from Greek, which it certainly
isn't, the plural would probably be "Zathrae".
If "Zathras" were Latin, but not borrowed from Greek, which it also
certainly isn't, there is no way of telling without further
information. It might be "Zathres", but it could be something as
unobvious as, say, "Zanes".
If "Zathras" were Greek (Ζαθρας), which, once again, it certainly
isn't, it would probably be "Zathrai" (Ζαθραι).
Dan Dassow
> You mean...Kurt Vonnegut had a working time machine, and no one told
> us? That selfish Hoosier jerk!
Are you using the word "Hoosier" with the Indiana or Missouri meaning?
Dan Dassow
Amy Guskin
(in article
<a59d8d48-ad4e-4023...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>):
> On Dec 3, 10:17 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:26:09 -0500, William Rendfeld wrote
>>
>> (in article
>> <a0fbe42e-cd85-40ec-8ff3-eddeb2193...@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 8:58 pm, Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:03:09 -0800 (PST), Duggy
>>
>>>> <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 3, 6:46 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And, er...the term "walkabout" seriously predates Babylon 5. Sorry.
>>
>>>>> Only by a year or two, surely.
>>
>>>> <grins>
>>
>>>> Oh, at least...
>>
>>>> Of course, you know that "Slaughterhouse Five" is based on stolen B5
>>>> notes?
>>
>>> You mean...Kurt Vonnegut had a working time machine, and no one told
>>> us? That selfish Hoosier jerk!
>>
>>> ...he could've at least warned us about Clinton... <<
>>
>> Ha! I laugh, even despite the unwarranted political slam.
>>
>
> ...I wasn't trying to be serious or anything, he was just one of the
> things I thought of that people would recognize. I'm not fond of him,
> yes, but I don't hate the guy.
>
> ...knew I should've gone with Furby or Uwe Boll, but did I? No... <<
Yeah, probably everybody here would have agreed about Uwe Boll. :-)
Amy Guskin
(in article
<24331192-b39d-4b0d...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>):
> On Dec 4, 5:00 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And Australian Aboriginies couldn't have used the term before 1888.
>
> That's still longer ago than your "one or two years", so I'm not sure
> what point you're tyring to make. And that statement is, in any
> event, wrong. (On two counts.) <<
Any particular reason you're still playing this game? I _know_ you have to
realize that he's yanking your chain, right?
Amy Guskin
(in article
<c432f99c-08b3-4820...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
> If "Zathras" were Greek (Æáèñáò), which, once again, it certainly
> isn't, it would probably be "Zathrai" (Æáèñáé). <<
Obviously, when there is one more than two but one less than four, it is
"Zathrees."
Wes Struebing
<WARen...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Dec 3, 10:17 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:26:09 -0500, William Rendfeld wrote
>>
>> (in article
>> <a0fbe42e-cd85-40ec-8ff3-eddeb2193...@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 3, 8:58 pm, Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:03:09 -0800 (PST), Duggy
>>
>> >> <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Dec 3, 6:46 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>> >>>> And, er...the term "walkabout" seriously predates Babylon 5. Sorry.
>>
>> >>> Only by a year or two, surely.
>>
>> >> <grins>
>>
>> >> Oh, at least...
>>
>> >> Of course, you know that "Slaughterhouse Five" is based on stolen B5
>> >> notes?
>>
>> > You mean...Kurt Vonnegut had a working time machine, and no one told
>> > us? That selfish Hoosier jerk!
>>
>> > ...he could've at least warned us about Clinton... <<
>>
>> Ha! I laugh, even despite the unwarranted political slam.
>>
>
>...I wasn't trying to be serious or anything, he was just one of the
>things I thought of that people would recognize. I'm not fond of him,
>yes, but I don't hate the guy.
>
>...knew I should've gone with Furby or Uwe Boll, but did I? No...
>
see? That'll teach you to yield to first impulses!
--
Wes Struebing
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
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Wes Struebing
>On 03-Dec-09 21:00, Wes Struebing wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:52:09 -0600, "Lance Corporal \"Hammer\"
>> Schultz" <star...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The phrase pre-dates B5 (at least as far back as 1969 in
>>> Slaughterhouse Five), though I can never hear or read it without my
>>> brain putting it into Zathrus' voice.
>>
>> ...or even "Zathras"?
>>
>> <hiding behind Any>
>
>No, clearly he means "Zathras". ;)
I sit corrected...
;-)
Dave Hayslett
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:52:55 -0500, John W. Kennedy wrote
> (in article
> <c432f99c-08b3-4820...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Dec 4, 2:10 am, "David Williams" <kosh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "Mac Breck" <macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:FdednfndOKZa74XW...@supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> Any of the remaining 9 Zathras.
>>>
>>> Haven't we been over this before?
>>> What IS the plural of Zathras? Zathrii? Zathrae?
>>
>> We do not know the language that Zathras speaks, so the only available
>> plural in English is "Zathrases". The real plural could be almost
>> anything, perhaps "Zazathras" or "poiZathras" or "ZZathras" or
>> "Zathraas" or "Zethras" or....
>>
>> If "Zathras" were Latin, but borrowed from Greek, which it certainly
>> isn't, the plural would probably be "Zathrae".
>>
>> If "Zathras" were Latin, but not borrowed from Greek, which it also
>> certainly isn't, there is no way of telling without further
>> information. It might be "Zathres", but it could be something as
>> unobvious as, say, "Zanes".
>>
>> If "Zathras" were Greek (Æáèñáò), which, once again, it certainly
>> isn't, it would probably be "Zathrai" (Æáèñáé). <<
>
> Obviously, when there is one more than two but one less than four, it is
> "Zathrees."
Not to mention the obvious, but sometimes overlooked, term for the set of
ZZathras standing next to me is "Zathrese", whereas the set of ZZathras
standing over there is "Zathrose".
Or something like that.
--
Dave (12/4/2009 10:23:35 PM)
I want to drive to the edge and into the sea
I want to see how lucky lucky can be.
William Rendfeld
The Indiana meaning, seeing as both Vonnegut and I were born and
raised in Indiana. I even went to the same high school that he
did...though by the time I went there, it was a middle school.
Don't you just love pointless trivia?
Mac Breck
Alright, sidestepping the whole singular/plural issue..... Any of the
nine remaining brothers Zathras. ;-)
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999) - "War Zone"
Galen (to Gideon): "I've been penalized before for helping other
people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."
John W. Kennedy
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:25:49 -0500, Amy Guskin wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:52:55 -0500, John W. Kennedy wrote
> > (in article
>
> >> On Dec 4, 2:10 am, "David Williams" <kosh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> "Mac Breck" <macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:FdednfndOKZa74XW...@supernews.com...
>
> >>>> Any of the remaining 9 Zathras.
>
> >>> Haven't we been over this before?
> >>> What IS the plural of Zathras? Zathrii? Zathrae?
>
> >> We do not know the language that Zathras speaks, so the only available
> >> plural in English is "Zathrases". The real plural could be almost
> >> anything, perhaps "Zazathras" or "poiZathras" or "ZZathras" or
> >> "Zathraas" or "Zethras" or....
>
> >> If "Zathras" were Latin, but borrowed from Greek, which it certainly
> >> isn't, the plural would probably be "Zathrae".
>
> >> If "Zathras" were Latin, but not borrowed from Greek, which it also
> >> certainly isn't, there is no way of telling without further
> >> information. It might be "Zathres", but it could be something as
> >> unobvious as, say, "Zanes".
>
> >> If "Zathras" were Greek (Æáèñáò), which, once again, it certainly
> >> isn't, it would probably be "Zathrai" (Æáèñáé). <<
>
> > Obviously, when there is one more than two but one less than four, it is
> > "Zathrees."
>
> Not to mention the obvious, but sometimes overlooked, term for the set of
> ZZathras standing next to me is "Zathrese", whereas the set of ZZathras
> standing over there is "Zathrose".
>
> Or something like that.
But the group a good way off in the distance is "Zathryon".
All of this, of course, assumes that you know this by personal
observation. If someone told you about it, instead, it's "Zothrese",
"Zothrose", or "Zothryon". If it's a proverbial truth, then it's
"Zonthrese", "Zonthrose", or "Zonthryon".
Unless, of course, you're a male and one of them is married to your
mother-in-law, in which case you are required instead to point with
your left index finger and go "Mmm-mmm" (except during the seventeen
days following the death of the Emperor). In this case, any transitive
verb you use must be in the passive voice, although the agent and
patient are reversed.
All this, of course, assumes that the preceding word ends in "d", "b",
"g", or a vowel. If, instead, it ends with "p", "t", or "k", the
initial letter changes from "Z" to "S". If "m", "n", or "ng", it
changes to "N". If "q", it becomes a glottal stop. Other consonants
follow in the obvious pattern.
Blair Leatherwood
Blair
Dave Hayslett
I bow in your general direction, sir. :-)
--
Dave (12/5/2009 3:08:59 PM)
I'm not getting on your stupid ... weigh machine!
Duggy
> On Dec 4, 5:00 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And Australian Aboriginies couldn't have used the term before 1888.
> what point you're tyring to make. And that statement is, in any
> event, wrong. (On two counts.)
Wrong, how?
> 1) Nobody said anything about Native Australians *using* the term.
> The discussion has been about an English word that describes an
> aboriginal practice.
Quoting Amy near the beginning of the thread: "And, er...the term
'walkabout' seriously predates Babylon 5. Sorry."
We're discussing the term, not the action. We're actually discussing
its usage as a episode title, to be specific.
> 2) The First Fleet may have begun colonizing Australia in 1888, but
> that was hardly the first time English speakers had encountered the
> people already living in Australia. The concept of "walkabout" and an
> English word for the idea could go back as far as 1622, when an
> English ship was wrecked on the Australian coast, or even 1606, if
> there were any Englishmen among the crew of any of the many other
> European ships that arrived in Australian waters starting in that
> year.
There was very little contact between the pre-Cook explorers and the
natives... some but certainly not enough, I'm pretty sure, to get into
concepts such as "walkabout".
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
wrote:
> isn't, it would probably be "Zathrai" (Æáèñáé).
And to be completely clear, at one stage "words used in English that
seem like they came from Greek" used the "i" ending plural.
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
> >> On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:24:45 -0500, Joseph DeMartino wrote
> (in article
> > On Dec 4, 5:00 pm, Duggy <p.allan.dug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> And Australian Aboriginies couldn't have used the term before 1888.
> > That's still longer ago than your "one or two years", so I'm not sure
> > what point you're tyring to make. And that statement is, in any
> > event, wrong. (On two counts.) <<
> Any particular reason you're still playing this game? I _know_ you have to
> realize that he's yanking your chain, right?
Maybe he's playing along... it happens.
An interesting aside on the usage of the term "Walkabout"...
In Australian white culture (while accepting and understanding the
"spiritual journey" usage) are more likely to use it in a more
disparaging way. They are more likely to say someone who isn't where
they are supposed to be (usually work) without reason or notice as
having "gone walkabout."
Say, for example, Garibaldi in season 5 when he missed a meeting...
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= DUG.
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Giovanni Wassen
> We're discussing the term, not the action. We're actually discussing
> its usage as a episode title, to be specific.
No, it was about the term walkabout, not the usage as an episode title.
--
Gio
http://www.watkijkikoptv.info
http://watkijkikoptv.info/animeblog
Bill
> ZZathras standing next to me is "Zathrese", whereas the set of ZZathras
> standing over there is "Zathrose".
>
Isn't "Zathrose" actually from a deleted scene in the Doctor Who
episode The Girl in the Fireplace? You know, the scene where someon
asks the drunken Doctor "Who's the blonde?" and he replies "Zathrose!"
Bill
Duggy
> Duggy wrote:
> > We're discussing the term, not the action. We're actually discussing
> > its usage as a episode title, to be specific.
>
> No, it was about the term walkabout, not the usage as an episode title.
Original Post:
"They also have an episode called 'Walkabout'"
Amy's reply:
"And, er...the term 'walkabout' seriously predates Babylon 5. Sorry."
My reply to Amy:
"Only by a year or two, surely"
Andrew replied:
"The term is used in the World War 2 book 'A Town like Alice' and was
old then."
My reply:
"And Australian Aboriginies couldn't have used the term before
1888." (Although I should have said 1788).
So when I said "We're discussing the term, not the action" I was 100%
correct.
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= DUG.
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Wes Struebing
wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:52:55 -0500, John W. Kennedy wrote
>(in article
><c432f99c-08b3-4820...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Dec 4, 2:10 am, "David Williams" <kosh...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "Mac Breck" <macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:FdednfndOKZa74XW...@supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> Any of the remaining 9 Zathras.
>>>
>>> Haven't we been over this before?
>>> What IS the plural of Zathras? Zathrii? Zathrae?
>>
>> We do not know the language that Zathras speaks, so the only available
>> plural in English is "Zathrases". The real plural could be almost
>> anything, perhaps "Zazathras" or "poiZathras" or "ZZathras" or
>> "Zathraas" or "Zethras" or....
>>
>> If "Zathras" were Latin, but borrowed from Greek, which it certainly
>> isn't, the plural would probably be "Zathrae".
>>
>> If "Zathras" were Latin, but not borrowed from Greek, which it also
>> certainly isn't, there is no way of telling without further
>> information. It might be "Zathres", but it could be something as
>> unobvious as, say, "Zanes".
>>
>> If "Zathras" were Greek (Æáèñáò), which, once again, it certainly
>> isn't, it would probably be "Zathrai" (Æáèñáé). <<
>
>Obviously, when there is one more than two but one less than four, it is
>"Zathrees."
>
Dearheart, there is a group of strange-looking aliens with willows on
their shoulders at the door asking for you...
Wes Struebing
>On Dec 4, 10:24 pm, Dave Hayslett <haysl...@sc.rr.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>But the group a good way off in the distance is "Zathryon".
>
>All of this, of course, assumes that you know this by personal
>observation. If someone told you about it, instead, it's "Zothrese",
>"Zothrose", or "Zothryon". If it's a proverbial truth, then it's
>"Zonthrese", "Zonthrose", or "Zonthryon".
>
>Unless, of course, you're a male and one of them is married to your
>mother-in-law, in which case you are required instead to point with
>your left index finger and go "Mmm-mmm" (except during the seventeen
>days following the death of the Emperor). In this case, any transitive
>verb you use must be in the passive voice, although the agent and
>patient are reversed.
>
>All this, of course, assumes that the preceding word ends in "d", "b",
>"g", or a vowel. If, instead, it ends with "p", "t", or "k", the
>initial letter changes from "Z" to "S". If "m", "n", or "ng", it
>changes to "N". If "q", it becomes a glottal stop. Other consonants
>follow in the obvious pattern.
What he said...
??? ;-)
Amy Guskin
(in article <1r93jzes...@hayslett.sc.rr.com>):
Dave (12/5/2009 3:08:59 PM)
I'm not getting on your stupid ... weigh machine! <<
Ha! I remember that -- I was actually listening the morning she said that.
So, so funny.
Amy Guskin
(in article
<d62b2b6e-0e59-4fe8...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>):
OUCH! You'd better go and answer the door...
David E. Powell
> When I watched a "Lost" episode called "The Constant", I was surprised
> by the use of a typical Babylon 5 phrase - "unstuck in time". It looks
> like the producers of "Lost" were more influenced by B5 than they are
> willing to admit (they also have an episode called "Walkabout"), but
> it was kind of cool to hear a quote from my favourite show again . :-)
The "Unstuck in time" theme was also used by Harlan Ellison in the
classic Outer Limits episode "Demon With a Glass Hand" starring Robert
Culp. I belive that the "Unstuck" concept and the time stabilizers
seen in the final episode with Babylon 4 were references to Ellison's
work.
In Ellison's original "City on the Edge of Forever" teleplay (Put out
a couple of years back by White Wolf) there is also a reference to
this, after a fashion.
Dennis (Icarus)
"John W. Kennedy" <john.w....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c432f99c-08b3-4820...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
>
> If "Zathras" were Latin, but borrowed from Greek, which it certainly
> isn't, the plural would probably be "Zathrae".
>
> If "Zathras" were Latin, but not borrowed from Greek, which it also
> certainly isn't, there is no way of telling without further
> information. It might be "Zathres", but it could be something as
> unobvious as, say, "Zanes".
>
> If "Zathras" were Greek (Ζαθρας), which, once again, it certainly
> isn't, it would probably be "Zathrai" (Ζαθραι).
>
Thanks for the explanation
I only speak English, some French, and of course Geek. :-)
Dennis
.
Christophe Bachmann
> We do not know the language that Zathras speaks, so the only available
> plural in English is "Zathrases". The real plural could be almost
> anything, perhaps "Zazathras" or "poiZathras" or "ZZathras" or
> "Zathraas" or "Zethras" or....
or "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch" as in Welch
>
> If "Zathras" were Latin, but borrowed from Greek, which it certainly
> isn't, the plural would probably be "Zathrae".
>
> If "Zathras" were Latin, but not borrowed from Greek, which it also
> certainly isn't, there is no way of telling without further
> information. It might be "Zathres", but it could be something as
> unobvious as, say, "Zanes".
>
> If "Zathras" were Greek (Ζαθρας), which, once again, it certainly
> isn't, it would probably be "Zathrai" (Ζαθραι).
>
If "Zathras" were Klingon it would be "zathraspu'".
If "Zathras" were Sindarin it would be "Zethrais".
;-)
--
Greetings, Salutations,
Guiraud Belissen, Château du Ciel, Drachenwald,
Chris CII, Rennes, France
Vince M Hudd
> If "Zathras" were Klingon it would be "zathraspu'".
> If "Zathras" were Sindarin it would be "Zethrais".
If Zathras was having sex, it would be Zathrust.
If Zathras was Albert Einstein, he would have come up with Zatheory of
relativity.
COAT!
--
Vince M Hudd - Soft Rock Software
http://www.softrock.co.uk
http://misc.vinceh.com
Dave Hayslett
> Christophe Bachmann <Chri...@JMVD.Info> wrote:
>
>> If "Zathras" were Klingon it would be "zathraspu'".
>
>> If "Zathras" were Sindarin it would be "Zethrais".
>
> If Zathras was having sex, it would be Zathrust.
That's also what happens when Zathras is left out in the rain.
--
Dave (12/6/2009 5:15:11 PM)
WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS?
David E. Powell
Was Zathras in Zathura?
David Williams
"Amy Guskin" <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C74084C6...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:09:12 -0500, Dave Hayslett wrote
> (in article <1r93jzes...@hayslett.sc.rr.com>):
>
> Dave (12/5/2009 3:08:59 PM)
>
> I'm not getting on your stupid ... weigh machine! <<
>
> Ha! I remember that -- I was actually listening the morning she said
> that.
> So, so funny.
Completely missed this, whatever it is... please enlighten me.
David Williams
"Dan Dassow" <dan_d...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d91e4624-b6d7-42df...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> Are you using the word "Hoosier" with the Indiana or Missouri meaning?
Hoosier has a menaing in Missouri?
David Williams
> But the group a good way off in the distance is "Zathryon".
> All of this, of course, assumes that you know this by personal
> observation. If someone told you about it, instead, it's "Zothrese",
> "Zothrose", or "Zothryon". If it's a proverbial truth, then it's
> "Zonthrese", "Zonthrose", or "Zonthryon".
> Unless, of course, you're a male and one of them is married to
> your mother-in-law, in which case you are required instead to
> point with your left index finger and go "Mmm-mmm" (except
> during the seventeen days following the death of the Emperor).
> In this case, any transitive verb you use must be in the passive
> voice, although the agent and patient are reversed.
> All this, of course, assumes that the preceding word ends in "d",
> "b", "g", or a vowel. If, instead, it ends with "p", "t", or "k", the
> initial letter changes from "Z" to "S". If "m", "n", or "ng", it
> changes to "N". If "q", it becomes a glottal stop. Other
> consonants follow in the obvious pattern.
What's all this then? People called "Romans," they go, the house?!
David Williams
"Christophe Bachmann" <Chri...@JMVD.Info> wrote in message
news:4b1bd00f$0$964$ba4a...@news.orange.fr...
> or "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch" as in
> Welch
I believe you mean Welsh. Or... Cymraeg, as they say in Welsh.
There's a jelly joke in here somewhere, but I'm too tired to come up with
one. Anybody?
Giovanni Wassen
> So when I said "We're discussing the term, not the action" I was 100%
> correct.
But not when you said "We're actually discussing its usage as a episode
title, to be specific."
--
Kurt Ullman
"David Williams" <kos...@comcast.net> wrote:
Superior intellect (g).
--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
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On 6 ������, 17:38, Christophe Bachmann <Chris_...@JMVD.Info> wrote:
> John W. Kennedy a �crit :
>
> If "Zathras" were Klingon it would be "zathraspu'".
>
> If "Zathras" were Sindarin it would be "Zethrais".
>
If Zathras were German it would be Zathrasen.
If he were Italian it would be Zathrasi.
But if Zathras were a wookee it would be Aaaaarrrrrrrhhhhhh!
I just couldn't resist. :-)
Truth_Seeker
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On 7 ������, 00:39, "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 6:33�pm, Bill <feline_ran...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Was Zathras in Zathura?
I'm pretty sure he invented the Zat Gun from Stargate SG-1. :-)
Amy Guskin
(in article <hfi29q$60t$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
Anna Nicole Smith was a frequent guest on the Howard Stern Show (back when
she was alive, and when I was still a listener). I didn't mind him cruelly
making fun of her, because she did that herself on her own cable reality
show, repeatedly, and she wouldn't have kept coming on Howard's show if she
wasn't such a media whore. Anyway, she wasn't known for being the brightest
bulb in the chandelier, and one day, while she was a paid spokesperson for
some weight loss product (Slim Fast?), she was in Howard's studio talking
about how much weight she'd lost, and was trying to claim that she weighed
something impossibly low. Howard didn't believe her, and told her so. He
wanted to see her weight, and said they could arrange for to weigh her on mic
and would report the number to their listeners. I can't remember if Howard,
by that point, had actually said the word "scale" to his producer (as in "Go
on, Gary, go get the scale from my office and bring it into the studio"), but
Anna Nicole got more and more agitated and flustered (and also sounded like
she might have popped a few pills in the interim, although that could have
been her natural speech -- slurry, kind of like Elvis). And in the midst of
many mumblings of demurral, she said very clearly, "I'm not getting on your
stupid...weigh machine!" She paused before "weigh machine," which made it
clear that she just couldn't come up with the word "scale," and not that it
was some regional colloquialism. Anyway, I think I was driving at the time,
and almost had to pull over because I was laughing so hard. It was such a
cliche -- like something Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel (from the Simpsons)
would say.
I mean, sure, that poor woman -- people feeding her pills and taking
advantage of her -- but no one put a gun to her head and made her go on
Howard Stern's show and say stupid, hilarious things.
Vince M Hudd
> > > On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 00:03:07 -0500, David Williams wrote
> (in article <hfi29q$60t$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
[Anna Nicole Smith, "weigh machine"]
> I can't remember if Howard, by that point, had actually said the word
> "scale" to his producer (as in "Go on, Gary, go get the scale from my
> office and bring it into the studio"), but
[...]
> she said very clearly, "I'm not getting on your stupid...weigh machine!"
> She paused before "weigh machine," which made it clear that she just
> couldn't come up with the word "scale," and not that it was some regional
> colloquialism.
Although I'm not especially familiar with her (ooer, missus) except by
reputation, is that not possibly just a simple mental block - we all have
them, surely? I know I do, and you may or may not remember one; when I put
"post mortem" in my Facebook status where I really meant "posthumous".
Mind you, "scale" is a little more basic. :)
[...]
John W. Kennedy
> If he were Italian it would be Zathrasi.
Actually, no. As a word of neither Latin nor Greek origin, it would be
"Zathras" (like English "deer" or "sheep").
--
John W. Kennedy
"Though a Rothschild you may be
In your own capacity,
As a Company you've come to utter sorrow--
But the Liquidators say,
'Never mind--you needn't pay,'
So you start another company to-morrow!"
-- Sir William S. Gilbert. "Utopia Limited"
Vince M Hudd
> Truth_Seeker wrote:
> > If he were Italian it would be Zathrasi.
> Actually, no. As a word of neither Latin nor Greek origin, it would be
> "Zathras" (like English "deer" or "sheep").
If Zathras were Australian, it would be Bruce.
Oh, hang on, no, that doesn't really work, does it?
Kurt Ullman
Vince M Hudd <sp...@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
> "John W. Kennedy" <john.w....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Truth_Seeker wrote:
> > > If he were Italian it would be Zathrasi.
>
> > Actually, no. As a word of neither Latin nor Greek origin, it would be
> > "Zathras" (like English "deer" or "sheep").
>
> If Zathras were Australian, it would be Bruce.
>
> Oh, hang on, no, that doesn't really work, does it?
Actually it was a precedent since all the Pythons in that sketch
were named Bruce is much the same manner.
Amy Guskin
(in article <gemini.kuadf40...@softrock.co.uk>):
> Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 00:03:07 -0500, David Williams wrote
>> (in article <hfi29q$60t$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
>
> [Anna Nicole Smith, "weigh machine"]
>
>> I can't remember if Howard, by that point, had actually said the word
>> "scale" to his producer (as in "Go on, Gary, go get the scale from my
>> office and bring it into the studio"), but
> [...]
>> she said very clearly, "I'm not getting on your stupid...weigh machine!"
>> She paused before "weigh machine," which made it clear that she just
>> couldn't come up with the word "scale," and not that it was some regional
>> colloquialism.
>
> Although I'm not especially familiar with her (ooer, missus) except by
> reputation, is that not possibly just a simple mental block - we all have
> them, surely? I know I do, and you may or may not remember one; when I put
> "post mortem" in my Facebook status where I really meant "posthumous". <<
Sure, we all have brain farts from time to time, but she kind of made a
career out of being not the brightest bulb.
>> Mind you, "scale" is a little more basic. :) <<
Indeed.
Dan Dassow
> "Dan Dassow" <dan_das...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d91e4624-b6d7-42df...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Are you using the word "Hoosier" with the Indiana or Missouri meaning?
>
> Hoosier has a menaing in Missouri?
I am originally from Minnesota, but moved to the St. Louis, Missouri
area around 29 years ago. After moving to the St. Louis area, I would
occasionally hear talking about Hoosiers in casual conversation.
Naturally, being from Minnesota I assumed they were referring to
Indiana Hoosiers, a rival of the Minnesota Gophers. Later, a friend a
work explained to me that the term Hoosier in Missouri is a derogatory
term for someone who is a jerk, incompetent, backward, or does things
in a haphazard fashion. The Missouri definition varies radically
depending upon context.
Dan Dassow
voxwoman
Is that also the etymology of the word "hoser," a possible Canadian
slang term brought to the US consciousness by the "McKenzie Brothers"
Great White North sketches (on SCTV, IIRC)?
-Wendy
Duggy
> Duggywrote:
> > So when I said "We're discussing the term, not the action" I was 100%
> > correct.
>
> But not when you said "We're actually discussing its usage as a episode
> title, to be specific."
That was were the discussion began.
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= DUG.
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Duggy
> "John W. Kennedy" <john.w.kenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Truth_Seeker wrote:
> > > If he were Italian it would be Zathrasi.
> > Actually, no. As a word of neither Latin nor Greek origin, it would be
> > "Zathras" (like English "deer" or "sheep").
> If Zathras were Australian, it would be Bruce.
> Oh, hang on, no, that doesn't really work, does it?
Only if Monty Python is writing it.
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= DUG.
===
Dan Dassow
I've also heard the term hoser used by high school hockey players from
the Northern Minnesota iron range when I was in high school. More
likely, people from St. Louis misprounced the term hoser.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoser?rdfrom=Hoser
<quote>
Etymology
From the word hose to siphon gasoline from automobile gas tanks.
[edit] Noun
Singular - hoser
Plural - hosers
hoser (plural hosers)
(Canadian, slang) A clumsy, boorish person, especially an uncouth,
beer-drinking man.
(Canadian, slang) A person whose self interest often outweighs any
ethical considerations.
(Canadian, slang) Not an overtly criminal individual, but one known to
participate in petty infractions and rule bending. Example: A hoser
would consume food or alcoholic beverages, typically pizza and beer,
with complete disregard to ownership or sharing.
Usage notes
The phrase was made popular by a sketch on the television show SCTV,
by Bob and Doug McKenzie (Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas.) It often
follows "take off", as in to go away, or stop being a hoser.
During the Great Depression of the 1930s, it was a term used to
describe Canadian farmers who would siphon gas from farming vehicles.
This Canadian expression has also been used to describe the players on
the losing side of a game of shinny. In the old days, such losers
would have to hose down the rink after the game.
In the early ‘80s, “hoser” gained cult status after being bandied
about and branded by the SCTV characters Bob & Doug McKenzie, whose
iconic Canadian status boomed with the movie Strange Brew and a
hilarious Christmas album. Bob and Doug are prototypical hosers; they
are absentminded fools from the Canadian suburbs who drink beer, watch
hockey, wear toques, smoke cigarettes, and say things like, “No way.
Take off, you hoser.” Today, anyone who still wears a flannel
lumberjack jacket, eats too many doughnuts and collects welfare
cheques risks being labeled a hoser.
</quote>
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hoosier
<quote>
Noun
Singular - Hoosier
Plural - Hoosiers
Hoosier (plural Hoosiers)
A native or resident of the American state of Indiana.
An alumnus of Indiana University.
In slang from St. Louis, Missouri, the term "Hoosier" is used to mean
something like "white trash", referring to an uneducated, tasteless
Caucasian person.
</quote>
Dan Dassow
Dennis (Icarus)
>>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:25:52 -0500, Vince M Hudd wrote
> (in article <gemini.kuadf40...@softrock.co.uk>):
>
>>
>> Although I'm not especially familiar with her (ooer, missus) except by
>> reputation, is that not possibly just a simple mental block - we all have
>> them, surely? I know I do, and you may or may not remember one; when I
>> put
>> "post mortem" in my Facebook status where I really meant "posthumous". <<
>
> Sure, we all have brain farts from time to time, but she kind of made a
> career out of being not the brightest bulb.
>
7th, 1941.........
To which Carson replied "No wonder they attacked, Bush was shooting down
Zeroes for the previous 3 months!"
:-)
Dennis
.
Wes Struebing
<dan_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Dec 7, 3:46 pm, voxwoman <voxwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>
>Hoosier (plural Hoosiers)
>
>A native or resident of the American state of Indiana.
>An alumnus of Indiana University.
>In slang from St. Louis, Missouri, the term "Hoosier" is used to mean
>something like "white trash", referring to an uneducated, tasteless
>Caucasian person.
></quote>
>
Wouldn't surprise me, Dan. You know that town in North Carolina, the
one named after that English gentleman who supposedly brought tobacco
back to Europe? Of course it's pronounced (in Missouri) just like
it's spelled - Rolla...(I kid you not)
(running away from angry Missourians...)
--
Wes Struebing
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and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
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David Williams
> Anna Nicole Smith was a frequent guest on the Howard Stern Show
I can see how that might have been very funny. As for me, I never could
stand Stern, so never listened. Example: one day, my boss and his boss
(both from NYC) flew into town for a big meeting with some important
clients, one of which is based in Milwaukee. As I was driving them up I-94,
one of them asked if we got Howard. Gritting my teeth, I tuned the radio to
the Chicago station he was syndicated on. Whereupon I was treated to a
15-minute debate by Howard and his stooges about the proper way to wipe
one's ass after defecating. He went to commercial, came back... and
continued the debate! After a total of about 30 minutes of this torture, I
decided it was NOT something I was getting paid for, and switched to NPR.
Regards,
David W.
Mac Breck
Good for you. I can't stand Stern, either.
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999) - "War Zone"
Galen (to Gideon): "I've been penalized before for helping other
people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."
Dan Dassow
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:41:29 -0800 (PST), Dan Dassow
>
> >On Dec 7, 3:46 pm, voxwoman <voxwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> >Hoosier (plural Hoosiers)
>
> >A native or resident of the American state of Indiana.
> >An alumnus of Indiana University.
> >In slang from St. Louis, Missouri, the term "Hoosier" is used to mean
> >something like "white trash", referring to an uneducated, tasteless
> >Caucasian person.
> ></quote>
>
> Wouldn't surprise me, Dan. You know that town in North Carolina, the
> one named after that English gentleman who supposedly brought tobacco
> back to Europe? Of course it's pronounced (in Missouri) just like
> it's spelled - Rolla...(I kid you not)
>
> (running away from angry Missourians...)
Native born call the state Missourah; transplants call it the state of
Misery.
Dan Dassow
Dan Dassow
> >news:0001HW.C7427075...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> Anna Nicole Smith was a frequent guest on the Howard Stern Show
>
> > I can see how that might have been very funny. As for me, I never
> > could stand Stern, so never listened. Example: one day, my boss and
> > his boss (both from NYC) flew into town for a big meeting with some
> > important clients, one of which is based in Milwaukee. As I was
> > driving them up I-94, one of them asked if we got Howard. Gritting
> > my teeth, I tuned the radio to the Chicago station he was syndicated
> > on. Whereupon I was treated to a 15-minute debate by Howard and his
> > stooges about the proper way to wipe one's ass after defecating. He
> > went to commercial, came back... and continued the debate! After a
> > total of about 30 minutes of this torture, I decided it was NOT
> > something I was getting paid for, and switched to NPR.
>
> > Regards,
> > David W.
>
> Good for you. I can't stand Stern, either.
>
I dislike Howard Stern for the same reason I dislike Rush Limbaugh;
they are both bullies.
Dan Dassow
Mac Breck
I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh a little bit, back during the eight
years of the Bill Clinton presidency, but not recently. I was never a
big fan of political talk radio or TV (e.g. Hannity & Combs, or that
loon Chris Matthews.), and today avoid it completely. Regarding Stern,
I just find his show to be filthy, crude and aimed at the lowest common
denominator, the scum at the bottom of the barrel. After being
subjected to it for any length of time, I feel like I've spent some time
with shit-throwing chimpanzees. I can't believe that people listen
to/watch that stuff. Then again, people also stare at train wrecks &
auto accidents, and watch daytime talk shows (like the Jerry Springer
show , etc. with the parade of guest trash.). <shrug>
Truth_Seeker
If Zathras were 2 years old it would be Zhatwash.
But if he were a Vorlon with a broken translator it would probably be
"Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".
Bill
> I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh a little bit, back during the eight
> years of the Bill Clinton presidency, but not recently. I was never a
> big fan of political talk radio or TV (e.g. Hannity & Combs, or that
> loon Chris Matthews.), and today avoid it completely. Regarding Stern,
> I just find his show to be filthy, crude and aimed at the lowest common
> denominator, the scum at the bottom of the barrel. After being
> subjected to it for any length of time, I feel like I've spent some time
> with shit-throwing chimpanzees. I can't believe that people listen
> to/watch that stuff. Then again, people also stare at train wrecks &
> auto accidents, and watch daytime talk shows (like the Jerry Springer
> show , etc. with the parade of guest trash.). <shrug>
>
I couldn't have reviewed Stern's show better myself. I've despised
that show since the early- to mid- 80s when Scott Shannon and the Z100
Morning Zoo (the original one) used to kick his tail all over the New
York area. I can't stand Rush either because his ignorance outshines
every other feature, especially his alleged intelligence
Bill.
Doug Freyburger
>
> I dislike Howard Stern for the same reason I dislike Rush Limbaugh;
> they are both bullies.
As is Dr Laura. It's common enough in talk radio that it adds further
incentive for me to play audio books in the car. Yesterday I finished
The Damapadha - The Sayings of Buddha.
Duggy
> Yesterday I finished
> The Damapadha - The Sayings of Buddha.
I studied that at university.
What did you think of it?
===
= DUG.
===
Doug Freyburger
> Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I finished The Damapadha - The Sayings of Buddha.
>
> I studied that at university.
> What did you think of it?
Other Buddhist books I've found more readable. The sayings are
extremely condensed. Some I found remarkably inconsistant with other
Buddhist teachings I've read about. Not that it's surprising that the
practice of some religion should fail to match its book. They all seem
to do that bit.
As an audio the book fit on two discs. Well under 3 hours of speech.
More compressed than any ZIP file you'll ever find. On the same brevity
scale as the Tao Te Ching or An Imitation of Christ. You've got to get
to engraved stone tablets to acheive more brevity.
It's strange how on the one hand I found its discussion of wisdom and
serenity to make sense yet at the same time I had trouble with its focus
on getting the elite to withdraw to be foolish. Personal serenity tends
to benefit society as a whole, while withdrawal of the elite tends to
stifle human progress. I found it odd that a culture that included the
smelting of iron would turn away from progress like that. My reaction
is very much based on a western historical perspective, though.
I've also recently finished the Old Testament and Apocrypha as well as
the Koran. Those books are *LONG* in comparison. The brevity of the
Damapadha stood out that much more starkly. If I'd read the Tao Te
Ching this year not over a decade ago I might not have been as struck by
its brevity.
I've tried eyes open Zen meditation and eyes closed Chakhra meditation.
It's interesting that the book made so little mention of meditation.
I consider the time I spent finding it on librvox.rog, downloading,
burning, and playing it in the car extremely well spent. Most audio
discs I dud a copy then shred the copy as soon as I've played it. I do
this for copyright reasons as well as to have an easy system for which
discs I've played and which I have not. These two discs have been put
back into my rotation again. They held enough value for me to listen to
them again in the next couple of years.
Which first season episode was it that included the religious festivals
of each species? Sinclair introduced members of many faiths including a
Buddhist.
<*>
Duggy
> Other Buddhist books I've found more readable. The sayings are
> extremely condensed. Some I found remarkably inconsistant with other
> Buddhist teachings I've read about. Not that it's surprising that the
> practice of some religion should fail to match its book. They all seem
> to do that bit.
The only other Buddhist stuff I've read is Zen Bones, Zen...
something, which were Koans and short examples.
And Zen isn't pure Buddhism (or, some would say, is more pure)...
I can't remember much of The Damapadha, because I was studying it in a
Literature of Spirituality course, and so comparing it to other
spiritual literature was what my reading was about (and they've all
merged in my mind a little.)
> As an audio the book fit on two discs. Well under 3 hours of speech.
> More compressed than any ZIP file you'll ever find.
It's only a thin book, IIRC... it's still on my shelf somewhere...
> On the same brevity
> scale as the Tao Te Ching or An Imitation of Christ. You've got to get
> to engraved stone tablets to acheive more brevity.
Hehehe.
> It's strange how on the one hand I found its discussion of wisdom and
> serenity to make sense yet at the same time I had trouble with its focus
> on getting the elite to withdraw to be foolish. Personal serenity tends
> to benefit society as a whole, while withdrawal of the elite tends to
> stifle human progress. I found it odd that a culture that included the
> smelting of iron would turn away from progress like that. My reaction
> is very much based on a western historical perspective, though.
I do recall one student accusing it of being a tool of repression.
"Find serenity in your menial work, and let me have all the fun"
It was a theme of the spiritual texts, from all religions that you
should enjoy what you're doing as a form of worship but the writer has
a special connection with the devine and can't be expected to work...
> I've also recently finished the Old Testament
We did Job & Song of Songs from OT.
> and Apocrypha as well as
Any of them interesting?
> the Koran.
Didn't do the Koran, rather selection muslim stories...
> Those books are *LONG* in comparison. The brevity of the
> Damapadha stood out that much more starkly.
As I say, very small book.
> I've tried eyes open Zen meditation and eyes closed Chakhra meditation.
> It's interesting that the book made so little mention of meditation.
Better than eyes close meditation while driving...
Once again, meditation is withdrawal for the elite...
> I consider the time I spent finding it on librvox.rog, downloading,
> burning, and playing it in the car extremely well spent.
I find the quality of readers on Librvox to very considerably... do
you have similar problems?
> They held enough value for me to listen to
> them again in the next couple of years.
I keep meaning to read it again...
> Which first season episode was it that included the religious festivals
> of each species? Sinclair introduced members of many faiths including a
> Buddhist.
"The Parliament of Dreams".
Did Sinclair spend time with Buddhists or just the Jesuits?
===
= DUG.
===
Amy Guskin
(in article <hfpc7o$3le$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
>
> Which first season episode was it that included the religious festivals
> of each species? Sinclair introduced members of many faiths including a
> Buddhist. <<
That was "The Parliament of Dreams."
William Rendfeld
> If Zathras were a robot from "Transformers" it would be Zathron.
Unless he had the Matrix of Leadership; then, he'd be Zathrimus
Prime.
...sorry, couldn't resist.
Elko T
> Dan Dassow wrote:
>>
>> I dislike Howard Stern for the same reason I dislike Rush Limbaugh;
>> they are both bullies.
>
> I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh a little bit, back during the eight
> years of the Bill Clinton presidency, but not recently. I was never a
> big fan of political talk radio or TV (e.g. Hannity & Combs, or that
> loon Chris Matthews.), and today avoid it completely. Regarding Stern,
> I just find his show to be filthy, crude and aimed at the lowest common
> denominator, the scum at the bottom of the barrel. After being
> subjected to it for any length of time, I feel like I've spent some time
> with shit-throwing chimpanzees. I can't believe that people listen
> to/watch that stuff.
About listening to - I agree; I never understood what's the
attraction of listening to shows like that. But watching - that's
another story altogether. The guests (especially guestesses :) that he
had, were eminently watchable. Who cares what idiocy they spouted - that
was not the reason for watching the show.
> Then again, people also stare at train wrecks &
> auto accidents <shrug>
Hey, I take exception to that! What's wrong with watching train
wrecks or auto accidents? It is one of the most exciting things one can
see! Why else are they the staple ingredients of disaster and action movies?
Vince M Hudd
> The only other Buddhist stuff I've read is Zen Bones, Zen... something,
Zen bones, zen bones, zen dry bones?
<fetches coat>
JoeD80
> Did Sinclair spend time with Buddhists or just the Jesuits?
>
Sinclair was taught by Jesuits but Catherine Sakai was Buddhist
Truth_Seeker
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On 9 ������, 21:42, William Rendfeld <WARendf...@aol.com> wrote:
If Zathras were a blonde it would be Zathreese Witherspoon! :-)
By the way I never expected this Google group to be such a fun. It's
almost incredible how this thread incorporates serious a religious
discussion and a pointless, but amusing word game.:-)
Amy Guskin
(in article
<b61b60f9-a901-4caa...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
> By the way I never expected this Google group to be such a fun. It's
> almost incredible how this thread incorporates serious a religious
> discussion and a pointless, but amusing word game.:-) <<
That's pretty much par for the course, here. :-)
But this is not a Google group: you may be reading us via Google groups, but
this is actually a Usenet newsgroup (rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated).
Doug Freyburger
>> scale as the Tao Te Ching or An Imitation of Christ. You've got to get
>> to engraved stone tablets to acheive more brevity.
>
> Hehehe.
Or speak to a Vorlon. "The avalanche has started. It is too late for
the Pebbles to vote". "We're the Flintstones kids. Ten million strong,
and growing ..." ;^)
>> and Apocrypha as well as
>
> Any of them interesting?
Too much duplication for my tastes. Several renditions of Macabees.
>> I've tried eyes open Zen meditation and eyes closed Chakhra meditation.
>> It's interesting that the book made so little mention of meditation.
>
> Better than eyes close meditation while driving...
Even riding as a passenger in a vanpool it's difficult to acheive the
focus needed to meditate while in a vehicle. Been there, managed to
pull off a little bit of it.
> Once again, meditation is withdrawal for the elite...
According to the Damapadha. Meditation does not need to be that just
like fire does not need to just burn down forests.
>> I consider the time I spent finding it on librvox.rog, downloading,
>> burning, and playing it in the car extremely well spent.
>
> I find the quality of readers on Librvox to very considerably... do
> you have similar problems?
I typed the URL in my memory and got it wrong. http://librivox.org/
All of their readings are done by volunteers who put their efforts into
the public domain. I expect the voices to not be professional quality.
Joseph DeMartino
> Sinclair was taught by Jesuits but Catherine Sakai was Buddhist
I'm trying to recall an instance where Catherine's religious beliefs
came up in either the series or "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" and
coming up blank. Can you point me towards a scene or reference?
Thanks,
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
> But this is not a Google group: you may be reading us via Google groups, but
> this is actually a Usenet newsgroup (rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated).
True. But we're still fun. <g>
Joe