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Stefan

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Dec 6, 2009, 5:42:09 PM12/6/09
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Accidentely came about...
Maryla Straczynski as Artist (Matte Painter) on
"The Princess and the Frog" (W.Disney, 2009)

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/388939/The-Princess-and-the-Frog/trailers
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780521/

The name, the business, the art
Now I'm just curious. Anybody?

Stefan ;-)

--
Delenn: "If the universe puts a mystery in front of us as a gift,
politeness requires that we at least try and solve it."
[Atonement]


Dan Dassow

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Dec 7, 2009, 1:31:34 PM12/7/09
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On Dec 6, 4:42 pm, Stefan <colj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Accidentely came about...
> Maryla Straczynski as Artist (Matte Painter) on
> "The Princess and the Frog" (W.Disney, 2009)
>
> http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/388939/The-Princess-and-the-Frog/trai...http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780521/

>
> The name, the business, the art
> Now I'm just curious. Anybody?
>
> Stefan ;-)
>
> --
> Delenn: "If the universe puts a mystery in front of us as a gift,
> politeness requires that we at least try and solve it."
> [Atonement]

She is likely to be related to JMS, since the last name Straczynski is
uncommon.

According to a Google search
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=%22Maryla+Straczynski%22
Maryla Straczynski has a facebook and twitter account.

Dan Dassow

Alex

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Dec 7, 2009, 2:49:54 PM12/7/09
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Uncommon in US :-)

Kurt Ullman

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Dec 7, 2009, 2:57:16 PM12/7/09
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In article
<20c4509b-d530-4a4b...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Alex <ateres...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Uncommon in US :-)

howmanyofme.com says there are 114 Straczynski total in the US.

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and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
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Dan Dassow

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Dec 7, 2009, 5:25:45 PM12/7/09
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On Dec 7, 1:57 pm, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article
> <20c4509b-d530-4a4b-b893-009c0f7e1...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

>
>  Alex <atereshche...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Uncommon in US :-)
>
> howmanyofme.com says there are 114 Straczynski total in the US.
>

This is close to the count of Straczynskis in the US that I estimated
by looking at the public records sites.

According to http://www.howmanyofme.com
There are 1 or fewer people in the U.S. named Joseph Straczynski.

Dan Dassow

Kurt Ullman

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Dec 7, 2009, 5:47:06 PM12/7/09
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In article
<2c6c4b9d-9d1d-464c...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Dan Dassow <dan_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:

FWIW, they also say there is only one of me and I know of at least two
others.

Jon Schild

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Dec 7, 2009, 6:51:58 PM12/7/09
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article
> <20c4509b-d530-4a4b...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> Alex <ateres...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Uncommon in US :-)
>
> howmanyofme.com says there are 114 Straczynski total in the US.
>
Howmanyofme is not at all accurate. It says there is only one person
with my name, but a google search turns up at least 5 more in the US.
See their description of their own accuracy at
http://howmanyofme.com/accuracy/

Amy Guskin

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Dec 7, 2009, 8:53:57 PM12/7/09
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>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:25:45 -0500, Dan Dassow wrote
(in article
<2c6c4b9d-9d1d-464c...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>):

Not sure from what databases this engine draws its info, but I don't think
you can consider it accurate by any stretch of the imagination. It says
there is only one of me, and I know for a fact there's a second person with
the same name (although she doesn't have much (if any) internet presence).

Amy
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Wes Struebing

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Dec 7, 2009, 9:04:11 PM12/7/09
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:47:06 -0500, Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article
><2c6c4b9d-9d1d-464c...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> Dan Dassow <dan_d...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 7, 1:57 pm, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > In article
>> > <20c4509b-d530-4a4b-b893-009c0f7e1...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>> >
>> >  Alex <atereshche...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > > Uncommon in US :-)
>> >
>> > howmanyofme.com says there are 114 Straczynski total in the US.
>> >
>>
>> This is close to the count of Straczynskis in the US that I estimated
>> by looking at the public records sites.
>>
>> According to http://www.howmanyofme.com
>> There are 1 or fewer people in the U.S. named Joseph Straczynski.
>>
>FWIW, they also say there is only one of me and I know of at least two
>others.

ROFL on what it says about me -

# There are 1 or fewer people in the U.S. named Wesley Struebing.
# We have information on both names, but chances are low that someone
has this combination of names.

;-) I guess I don't exist...
--

Wes Struebing
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
Homepage: www.carpedementem.org
linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wesstruebing

Joseph DeMartino

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Dec 7, 2009, 9:31:04 PM12/7/09
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On Dec 7, 8:53 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:

> Not sure from what databases this engine draws its info, but I don't think
> you can consider it accurate by any stretch of the imagination.  

I think the database is called "their collective butt." According to
that site there are 22 people in the United States with my name.
According to local phone listings there are 11 in Florida alone, and
another 21 in New York. (I already knew about 5 of the Florida ones,
who live in my own county, and a couple of the New York ones. One was
a Brooklyn homicide detective who used to turn up the TV news from
time to time.)

Regards,

Joe

Vince M Hudd

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Dec 8, 2009, 5:59:30 AM12/8/09
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Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:

> ROFL on what it says about me -

> # There are 1 or fewer people in the U.S. named Wesley Struebing. # We
> have information on both names, but chances are low that someone has this
> combination of names.

> ;-) I guess I don't exist...

Surely, it's saying that you are statistically unlikely to exist. The
wording could be better on that first bullet point, but the second one (and
the link to the FAQ from there) makes that clear. It's just doing a bit of
maths involving the number of people called "Wesley", the number of people
called "Struebing", the overall population of Overpuddle, the number of
words in the last book the site's creator read, and the number of sips it
takes to drink a steaming hot cup of coffee. I would mention pi (apple, with
custard) but I used that joke a very long time ago.

So, how does it feel to be a statistical anomaly? ;)

--
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http://www.softrock.co.uk
http://misc.vinceh.com

Kurt Ullman

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Dec 8, 2009, 6:02:23 AM12/8/09
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In article
<37d05b11-52ca-4722...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Joseph DeMartino <jdem...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

There is an equivalent website at the Census Bureau, but after I
spent about 10 minutes looking for it, I bailed to this one that popped
up on Google. CB's is probably better.

Amy Guskin

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Dec 8, 2009, 7:28:38 AM12/8/09
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>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:59:30 -0500, Vince M Hudd wrote
(in article <gemini.kubyj60...@softrock.co.uk>):

> Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> ROFL on what it says about me -
>
>> # There are 1 or fewer people in the U.S. named Wesley Struebing. # We
>> have information on both names, but chances are low that someone has this
>> combination of names.
>
>> ;-) I guess I don't exist...
>
> Surely, it's saying that you are statistically unlikely to exist. The
> wording could be better on that first bullet point, but the second one (and
> the link to the FAQ from there) makes that clear. It's just doing a bit of
> maths involving the number of people called "Wesley", the number of people
> called "Struebing", the overall population of Overpuddle, the number of
> words in the last book the site's creator read, and the number of sips it
> takes to drink a steaming hot cup of coffee. I would mention pi (apple, with
> custard) but I used that joke a very long time ago. <<

Coffee? I would rather think it would have to be something almost, but not
quite, entirely unlike tea.

Vince M Hudd

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Dec 8, 2009, 7:46:58 AM12/8/09
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Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:59:30 -0500, Vince M Hudd wrote
> (in article <gemini.kubyj60...@softrock.co.uk>):

> > and the number of sips it takes to drink a steaming hot cup of coffee. I


> > would mention pi (apple, with custard) but I used that joke a very long
> > time ago. <<

> Coffee? I would rather think it would have to be something almost, but
> not quite, entirely unlike tea.

I originally put "a piping hot cup of tea" - but had a suspicion that most
subscribers drink coffee.

At home, I drink tea, but it's coffee when away from home. The advantage
with coffee, for me, is that I can drink it black or white, with or without
sugar and - most importantly - I can still drink it after it's cooled right
down. Handy when working and fogetting the drink is there.

Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls of sugar
(and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too weak, and I find
it vile). This is probably why I *do* drink it at home - there, I know it's
going to be made the way I like it.

Giovanni Wassen

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Dec 8, 2009, 8:06:25 AM12/8/09
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Vince M Hudd wrote:

> Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls of
> sugar (and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too weak,
> and I find it vile).

White? You put milk in your tea?

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Gio

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http://watkijkikoptv.info/animeblog

Amy Guskin

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Dec 8, 2009, 8:44:01 AM12/8/09
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>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:06:25 -0500, Giovanni Wassen wrote
(in article <Xns9CDB8F8342...@188.40.43.245>):

> Vince M Hudd wrote:
>
>> Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls of
>> sugar (and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too weak,
>> and I find it vile).
>
> White? You put milk in your tea? <<

Dude, he's English: _most_ of them do that. Milk and lemon, even.

Giovanni Wassen

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Dec 8, 2009, 9:13:12 AM12/8/09
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Amy Guskin wrote:

>> Vince M Hudd wrote:
>>
>>> Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls of
>>> sugar (and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too weak,
>>> and I find it vile).
>>
>> White? You put milk in your tea? <<
>
> Dude, he's English: _most_ of them do that. Milk and lemon, even.

So, no urban myth then? <g>

I actually drank milk in my tea when I was a kid, but I never knew it was
that common in England.

Vince M Hudd

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Dec 8, 2009, 9:52:53 AM12/8/09
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Giovanni Wassen <ext...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Amy Guskin wrote:

> > > > Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls
> > > > of sugar (and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too
> > > > weak, and I find it vile).

> > > White? You put milk in your tea? <<

> > Dude, he's English: _most_ of them do that. Milk and lemon, even.

> So, no urban myth then? <g>

> I actually drank milk in my tea when I was a kid, but I never knew it was
> that common in England.

Offhand, I can't think of anyone I currently know who drinks tea without
milk, though I'm sure I've known a couple over the years. Without sugar is
more common, though even that is still a minority if it's a statistic based
on people I know.

Mac Breck

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Dec 8, 2009, 10:33:01 AM12/8/09
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Vince M Hudd wrote:
> Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 05:59:30 -0500, Vince M Hudd wrote
>> (in article <gemini.kubyj60...@softrock.co.uk>):
>
>>> and the number of sips it takes to drink a steaming hot cup of
>>> coffee. I would mention pi (apple, with custard) but I used that
>>> joke a very long time ago. <<
>
>> Coffee? I would rather think it would have to be something almost,
>> but not quite, entirely unlike tea.
>
> I originally put "a piping hot cup of tea" - but had a suspicion that
> most subscribers drink coffee.
>
> At home, I drink tea, but it's coffee when away from home. The
> advantage with coffee, for me, is that I can drink it black or white,
> with or without sugar and - most importantly - I can still drink it
> after it's cooled right down. Handy when working and fogetting the
> drink is there.

Same here, but I brew it strong (8 coffee measures of freshly ground
beans, usually Eight O'Clock Colombian, Eight O'Clock Red Bag, or Eight
O'Clock French Roast, or The Coffee Beanery Toasted Almond or Cinnamon
Holiday blend. or "Orange" from
http://www.freshcoffee.net/flavoredcoffee/orange-coffee.htm , per 48 oz.
pot, which is 3 measures more than most people use.), in a Bunn
Coffeemaker (the home unit). The filter is so full that I have to do it
a half pot at a time through the 8 measures of grounds, pour slowly, and
re-even out the grounds between half pots of water. Otherwise, it
overflows the filter. Sometimes, even when I'm careful, and follow the
above steps carefully, especially if the beans were oily looking (not
dry), it *still* overflows the filter. Then, I drink it with 2
teaspoons of sugar or 1 packet of Splenda per 12 oz. mug & Cremora (not
Coffeemate :-P , and _not_ milk or half & half or cream because it cools
down the coffee too much, and doesn't taste right.).

FYI, The Coffee Beanery Cinnamon Holiday Blend is 1/2 Toasted Almond and
1/2 Cinnamon Supreme.

Toasted Almond
http://www.coffeebeanery.com/products/Toasted_Almond_Flavored_Coffee-36-21.html

Cinnamon Supreme
http://www.coffeebeanery.com/products/Cinnamon_Supreme_Flavored_Coffee-24-11.html

Cinnamon Holiday Blend
http://www.coffeebeanery.com/products/Cinnamon_Holiday_Blend_Flavored_Coffee-223-0.html

Ooh, I'm going to have to try Pumpkin Spice.
http://www.coffeebeanery.com/products/Pumpkin_Spice_Flavored_Coffee-114-11.html

The Coffee Beanery used to carry "Orange" but it was discontinued, and I
had to find another source. Fantes "Orange Seville" isn't as good as
http://www.freshcoffee.net/flavoredcoffee/orange-coffee.htm
from California Coffee Roasters, IMHO.


> Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls
> of sugar (and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too
> weak, and I find it vile). This is probably why I *do* drink it at
> home - there, I know it's going to be made the way I like it.

I have never understood people who drink tea with cream or milk in it.
Gah! I _can't_ drink it that way because I'd hurl, and that's no
exaggeration.

I drink tea (usually Bigelow Constant Comment or Earl Grey, or Red Rose
with a squeeze of lemon) only when I'm at home, and then, *strong* (let
it steep for 5 or 10 minutes, not the recommended 1 minute.) with two
teaspoons of sugar or 1 Splenda packet, and no milk or cream, _ever_ .

I don't have any connection with any of the companies or brands
mentioned in this post. I just like their stuff. :D


--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
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people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."


David M. Palmer

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Dec 8, 2009, 2:16:28 PM12/8/09
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It probably does not take into account correlations, but just
multiplies the fraction of people with the first name by the fraction
of people with the last name.

People with the last name DeMartino are probably more likely to be
called Joseph and people with the last name Martinez are more likely to
be called José, but that might not be considered.

--
David M. Palmer dmpa...@email.com (formerly @clark.net, @ematic.com)

Doug Freyburger

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Dec 8, 2009, 5:03:58 PM12/8/09
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
>
> howmanyofme.com says there are 114 Straczynski total in the US.

It also says there are 114 Freyburger's total in the US. Sounds like
some canned estimate for how many people have any uncommon name.

I know of a Doug Freiberger but he has the decency to misspell his name
in two places. Easy to tell us apart that way.

Kurt Ullman

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Dec 8, 2009, 5:17:25 PM12/8/09
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In article <hfmige$5dl$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I grew up with a Doug Fry-Burger, but I don't remember right of how he
spelled his name. The family name was not terribly uncommon in NE
Indiana.

Elko T

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Dec 9, 2009, 1:20:52 AM12/9/09
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Vince M Hudd wrote:
> Giovanni Wassen <ext...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Amy Guskin wrote:
>
>>>>> Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls
>>>>> of sugar (and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too
>>>>> weak, and I find it vile).
>
>>>> White? You put milk in your tea? <<
>
>>> Dude, he's English: _most_ of them do that. Milk and lemon, even.
>
>> So, no urban myth then? <g>
>
>> I actually drank milk in my tea when I was a kid, but I never knew it was
>> that common in England.
>
> Offhand, I can't think of anyone I currently know who drinks tea without
> milk, though I'm sure I've known a couple over the years. Without sugar is
> more common, though even that is still a minority if it's a statistic based
> on people I know.

Well, given how the traditional English tea blends taste, it would
be kind of difficult to drink them without milk. :) (What I mean is,
that they are /formulated/ to be drunk with milk.) They taste harsh and
vile otherwise.
Luckily, there are Russian groceries in the States that sell teas
formulated for drinking plain; some of the Ceylon blends are extremely
good - aromatic, mellow, and strong - no need for milk or sugar.
I drink coffee just once in the day - in the morning, a cup
(200-250ml espresso), and tea from then on. Both neat, no teeth-rotting
substances added. :)
And back to the topic of names - I'm almost certainly unique
world-wide. There are few enough Elko's anywhere, and to match my family
name (which is exclusively Bulgarian), one has to come from there. There
is a non-zero probability there might be another Bulgarian similarly
named, but I haven't heard about him.

JoeD80

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Dec 8, 2009, 4:17:46 PM12/8/09
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On Dec 8, 3:02 am, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article
> <37d05b11-52ca-4722-b381-65d1d0fff...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,

The Census Bureau locks their data for 72 years before it's released
to the public. You can view all the statistics etc. and I suppose
they might have some interesting tools that can give you hints on
common names and stuff like that, but you won't get specific
information on individuals unless you are looking for people from the
1930s and before.


Amy Guskin

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Dec 9, 2009, 7:59:15 AM12/9/09
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>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:20:52 -0500, Elko T wrote
(in article <4B1F41C4...@acm.org>):

> Vince M Hudd wrote:
>> Giovanni Wassen <ext...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls
>>>>>> of sugar (and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too
>>>>>> weak, and I find it vile).
>>
>>>>> White? You put milk in your tea? <<
>>
>>>> Dude, he's English: _most_ of them do that. Milk and lemon, even.
>>
>>> So, no urban myth then? <g>
>>
>>> I actually drank milk in my tea when I was a kid, but I never knew it was
>>> that common in England.
>>
>> Offhand, I can't think of anyone I currently know who drinks tea without
>> milk, though I'm sure I've known a couple over the years. Without sugar is
>> more common, though even that is still a minority if it's a statistic based
>> on people I know.
>
> Well, given how the traditional English tea blends taste, it would
> be kind of difficult to drink them without milk. :) (What I mean is,
> that they are /formulated/ to be drunk with milk.) They taste harsh and
> vile otherwise. <<

That may be your opinion; it isn't mine. I drink English teas without milk.
In fact, English breakfast tea (the real kind, from the UK) usually isn't
strong _enough_ for me, which is why I also keep some Irish breakfast and
Scottish breakfast around the house.

Craig Gullixson

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Dec 9, 2009, 12:17:12 PM12/9/09
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In article <hfmige$5dl$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

It says that there are 171 Gullixsons, which sounds about right from
other pokings I've done (this name is unique to the level that it
was given to the sons of Gulick by US Immigration about 1850, so
we're all related).

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Elko T

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Dec 9, 2009, 6:26:29 PM12/9/09
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Amy Guskin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:20:52 -0500, Elko T wrote
>> Vince M Hudd wrote:
>
>>> Offhand, I can't think of anyone I currently know who drinks tea without
>>> milk, though I'm sure I've known a couple over the years. Without sugar is
>>> more common, though even that is still a minority if it's a statistic based
>>> on people I know.
>> Well, given how the traditional English tea blends taste, it would
>> be kind of difficult to drink them without milk. :) (What I mean is,
>> that they are /formulated/ to be drunk with milk.) They taste harsh and
>> vile otherwise. <<
>
> That may be your opinion; it isn't mine. I drink English teas without milk.
> In fact, English breakfast tea (the real kind, from the UK) usually isn't
> strong _enough_ for me, which is why I also keep some Irish breakfast and
> Scottish breakfast around the house.

Hah. Interesting. However, do you mean "tastes harsh enough for its
strength", rather than just "strong enough"? Because if it is just the
strength per se, any tea can be made stronger by adding more to the
teapot. On occasion, I have (by mis-measurement) brewed such strong tea
out of my mellow Ceylon blends, that I was hardly able to drink it. (And
the bottom of the cup was not visible, on account of its inky
consistency. Which I remember reading in a children's book by Australian
author Alan Marshal, is the proper strength of tea. :)

Alan Dicey

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Dec 9, 2009, 7:23:37 PM12/9/09
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Amy Guskin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:20:52 -0500, Elko T wrote
> (in article <4B1F41C4...@acm.org>):
>
>> Vince M Hudd wrote:
>>> Giovanni Wassen <ext...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>>>>> Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls
>>>>>>> of sugar (and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too
>>>>>>> weak, and I find it vile).
>>>>>> White? You put milk in your tea? <<
>>>>> Dude, he's English: _most_ of them do that. Milk and lemon, even.
>>>> So, no urban myth then? <g>
>>>> I actually drank milk in my tea when I was a kid, but I never knew it was
>>>> that common in England.
>>> Offhand, I can't think of anyone I currently know who drinks tea without
>>> milk, though I'm sure I've known a couple over the years. Without sugar is
>>> more common, though even that is still a minority if it's a statistic based
>>> on people I know.
>> Well, given how the traditional English tea blends taste, it would
>> be kind of difficult to drink them without milk. :) (What I mean is,
>> that they are /formulated/ to be drunk with milk.) They taste harsh and
>> vile otherwise. <<
>
> That may be your opinion; it isn't mine.

It entirely depends on how strong you make it. non-gourmet English teas
(the kind my family describes as British Workman - Tetleys or PG Tips
teabags for instance) is pretty nondescript in any case, and the
addition of milk gives it some flavour. Not to mention the mountain of
sugar that many also add.

I used to drink both tea and coffee with milk and two sugars.
Eventually I realised that I couldn't taste the tea at all, just the
milky syrup (The Mote In God's Eye may have tipped the balance here,
Horace Bury's coffee-tasting, with the emphasis on keeping the equipment
clean, simply stuck in my mind). I resolved on kill-or-cure, and gave
up both milk and sugar.

Everything tasted vile for a week, then gradually I started to taste the
coffee or tea itself. I've never looked back.

> I drink English teas without milk.

That's very brave. I expect that what you're drinking isn't mainstream
English Tea, but a premium brand.

> In fact, English breakfast tea (the real kind, from the UK) usually isn't
> strong _enough_ for me, which is why I also keep some Irish breakfast and
> Scottish breakfast around the house.

Sorry, can't resist: Irish Breakfast - that would be potatoes. Scottish
Breakfast - yesterdays haggis, fried. The blends sold under those
names, along with English Breakfast, are simply marketing conceits,
badge engineering at its worst. There is unlikely to be any consistency
between brands (Twinings, Taylors, etc) in terms of flavour. Unlike
Earl Grey, say, or Orange Pekoe, Lady Grey & etc.


John W. Kennedy

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Dec 9, 2009, 8:04:10 PM12/9/09
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On Dec 9, 7:59 am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:20:52 -0500, Elko T wrote
>
> (in article <4B1F41C4.8090...@acm.org>):
>
>
>
>
>
> > Vince M Hudd wrote:

> >> Giovanni Wassen <exta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Amy Guskin wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Tea, OTOH, I have to have piping hot, white and with two spoonfulls
> >>>>>> of sugar (and even then it has to be just right - too strong or too
> >>>>>> weak, and I find it vile).
>
> >>>>> White? You put milk in your tea? <<
>
> >>>> Dude, he's English: _most_ of them do that.  Milk and lemon, even.
>
> >>> So, no urban myth then? <g>
>
> >>> I actually drank milk in my tea when I was a kid, but I never knew it was
> >>> that common in England.
>
> >> Offhand, I can't think of anyone I currently know who drinks tea without
> >> milk, though I'm sure I've known a couple over the years. Without sugar is
> >> more common, though even that is still a minority if it's a statistic based
> >> on people I know.
>
> >       Well, given how the traditional English tea blends taste, it would
> > be kind of difficult to drink them without milk. :) (What I mean is,
> > that they are /formulated/ to be drunk with milk.) They taste harsh and
> > vile otherwise. <<
>
> That may be your opinion; it isn't mine.  I drink English teas without milk.  
> In fact, English breakfast tea (the real kind, from the UK) usually isn't
> strong _enough_ for me, which is why I also keep some Irish breakfast and
> Scottish breakfast around the house.

Marks and Sparks Extra Strong 2-cup. In a pint mug. But I certainly
put in milk. (Or stupid 2% chalk-and-water mixed with half-'n'-half,
if I must.)

Amy Guskin

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Dec 9, 2009, 8:58:51 PM12/9/09
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>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:17:12 -0500, Craig Gullixson wrote
(in article <hfom2o$c71$1...@email.noao.edu>):

> In article <hfmige$5dl$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> Kurt Ullman wrote:
>>>
>>> howmanyofme.com says there are 114 Straczynski total in the US.
>>
>> It also says there are 114 Freyburger's total in the US. Sounds like
>> some canned estimate for how many people have any uncommon name.
>>
>> I know of a Doug Freiberger but he has the decency to misspell his name
>> in two places. Easy to tell us apart that way.
>>
>
> It says that there are 171 Gullixsons, which sounds about right from
> other pokings I've done (this name is unique to the level that it
> was given to the sons of Gulick by US Immigration about 1850, so
> we're all related). <<

Wow, that's kind of neat -- to have an actually unique (unique to your
family, anyway) name.

Amy Guskin

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Dec 9, 2009, 9:04:55 PM12/9/09
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>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:26:29 -0500, Elko T wrote
(in article <4B203225...@acm.org>):

What I mean is that, when all three are brewed equally -- which for me means
pretty long, until it's fairly dark -- the flavor is stronger in Irish
breakfast and Scottish breakfast teas than in English breakfast. So, what
_is_ the proper strength of tea? :-)

Amy Guskin

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Dec 9, 2009, 9:17:30 PM12/9/09
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>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:23:37 -0500, Alan Dicey wrote
(in article <6ImdnT72zNQEor3W...@brightview.co.uk>):

> Amy Guskin wrote:

>
>> I drink English teas without milk.
>
> That's very brave. I expect that what you're drinking isn't mainstream
> English Tea, but a premium brand. <<

Ha! Yes, generally correct. I mean, I _could_ get PG Tips at the local tea
shop, but I'd rather have the good stuff.

>>> In fact, English breakfast tea (the real kind, from the UK) usually isn't
>> strong _enough_ for me, which is why I also keep some Irish breakfast and
>> Scottish breakfast around the house.
>
> Sorry, can't resist: Irish Breakfast - that would be potatoes. Scottish
> Breakfast - yesterdays haggis, fried. <<

Unless we're talking about the full English breakfast, the full Irish
breakfast, or the full Scottish breakfast. I remember one vacation where we
went from country to country and it seemed like each one simply added an
extra meat (it was Scotland where you got the most meats, including things
that I'm not even sure what they properly were!). :-)

(And no, none of the meats were spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, rat, or
spam.)

>> The blends sold under those
> names, along with English Breakfast, are simply marketing conceits,
> badge engineering at its worst. There is unlikely to be any consistency
> between brands (Twinings, Taylors, etc) in terms of flavour. Unlike
> Earl Grey, say, or Orange Pekoe, Lady Grey & etc. <<

I usually buy some tea shop's own blend, and although they are indeed always
different, it goes pretty reliably weakest to strongest in this order:
English, Irish, Scottish. That might just be convention over here, but in
other cases I'm getting stuff that's been brought over from across the pond,
and it seems to run the same way. I like all three, though.

Amy (but when it comes to whisky, I will stick with Scotland)

Wes Struebing

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Dec 9, 2009, 10:41:52 PM12/9/09
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:59:15 -0500, Amy Guskin <ais...@fjordstone.com>
wrote:

What you said, Amy. However, when we were in London, we drank our tea
with milk - and occasionally, sugar, for Molli.

Abigail Brady

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Dec 9, 2009, 9:29:41 AM12/9/09
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On Dec 9, 12:59�pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> That may be your opinion; it isn't mine. �I drink English teas without milk. �

> In fact, English breakfast tea (the real kind, from the UK) usually isn't
> strong _enough_ for me, which is why I also keep some Irish breakfast and
> Scottish breakfast around the house.

Do you drink Tetley and PG Tips without milk? That's the type of tea
that I suspect was being referred to there, not tea branded as
"English breakfast tea", which I mostly ever encounter in hotels and
abroad. Certainly English people will, on occasion, drink speciality
tea without milk: but you won't find that served in the local greasy
spoon alongside sausages and chips..., and doesn't really constitute a
"cuppa."

--
Abi
an English person


Amy Guskin

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Dec 9, 2009, 11:02:19 PM12/9/09
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>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:29:41 -0500, Abigail Brady wrote
(in article
<34e47441-636b-4636...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>):

> On Dec 9, 12:59 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>> That may be your opinion; it isn't mine.  I drink English teas without
>> milk.  


>> In fact, English breakfast tea (the real kind, from the UK) usually isn't
>> strong _enough_ for me, which is why I also keep some Irish breakfast and
>> Scottish breakfast around the house.
>
> Do you drink Tetley and PG Tips without milk? That's the type of tea
> that I suspect was being referred to there, not tea branded as
> "English breakfast tea", which I mostly ever encounter in hotels and
> abroad. Certainly English people will, on occasion, drink speciality
> tea without milk: but you won't find that served in the local greasy
> spoon alongside sausages and chips..., and doesn't really constitute a
> "cuppa." <<

I don't _ever_ put milk in _any_ tea. But I may be the exception in this; I
had a deep loathing of milk as a child, and would only ever drink chocolate
milk, and usually only grudgingly. I even ate my cold cereal without milk
(and still do). No, it doesn't seem too dry (which is what everyone asks
when they hear that I eat cereal without milk).

Amy (milk is only one of the foods that begin with "m" that I do not eat)

voxwoman

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Dec 10, 2009, 6:56:13 AM12/10/09
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On Dec 9, 11:02 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:29:41 -0500, Abigail Brady wrote
>
> (in article
> <34e47441-636b-4636-9662-07a419539...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>):

>
> > On Dec 9, 12:59 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >> That may be your opinion; it isn't mine.  I drink English teas without
> >> milk.  
> >> In fact, English breakfast tea (the real kind, from the UK) usually isn't
> >> strong _enough_ for me, which is why I also keep some Irish breakfast and
> >> Scottish breakfast around the house.
>
> > Do you drink Tetley and PG Tips without milk?  That's the type of tea
> > that I suspect was being referred to there, not tea branded as
> > "English breakfast tea", which I mostly ever encounter in hotels and
> > abroad.  Certainly English people will, on occasion, drink speciality
> > tea without milk: but you won't find that served in the local greasy
> > spoon alongside sausages and chips..., and doesn't really constitute a
> > "cuppa." <<
>
> I don't _ever_ put milk in _any_ tea.  But I may be the exception in this; I
> had a deep loathing of milk as a child, and would only ever drink chocolate
> milk, and usually only grudgingly.  I even ate my cold cereal without milk
> (and still do).  No, it doesn't seem too dry (which is what everyone asks
> when they hear that I eat cereal without milk).

Maybe it's a Jewish thing (or a Russian Jewish thing)? We never milked-
up our tea in the house, either, and I can't tolerate milk in my tea
(I prefer Darjeeling if it's available as a choice). My coffeee, OTOH,
must be 1/3 milk or cream and 2/3 coffee. I've been mocked for that in
the past, too. Apparently cutting your coffee with milk isn't macho.

Also, I've noticed that people from the Russian region prefer to have
their hot breakfast cereal "savory" rather than "sweet" (butter, salt
and milk in my oatmeal, please! None of that cinnamon and sugar crap!)


>
> Amy (milk is only one of the foods that begin with "m" that I do not eat)

Trying to think of other foods that begin with "m"...

marshmallow
mousse
moose
marmalade
mutton
muscline

ok, there are other foods that begin with m...

Wendy (who eats way too much)

Andrew Swallow

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Dec 9, 2009, 11:14:15 PM12/9/09
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Amy Guskin wrote:
{snip}

>
> (And no, none of the meats were spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, rat, or
> spam.)

Different meals. Cooked spam is (school) lunch. Cold is early evening.

Andrew Swallow


Amy Guskin

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Dec 10, 2009, 8:59:28 AM12/10/09
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>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:56:13 -0500, voxwoman wrote
(in article
<52aca57d-f338-44a9...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):

Moose and mutton are right, insofar as they are red meat (which really can't
qualify for the "m" designation -- though I guess "mammals" would work for
that, as they are all red meat!).

Not finding anything about "muscline" as a food, though. I'm getting a lot
of people misspelling "masculine." Who'd have thought there were so many
recipes qualified as "masculine"?

mollusks (and other shellfish)
mayonnaise
mustard
mushrooms
milk

Amy (who also won't drink any variety of nog this season, which is an "n"
food)

Christophe Bachmann

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Dec 10, 2009, 1:41:14 PM12/10/09
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Amy Guskin a écrit :

> Not finding anything about "muscline" as a food, though. I'm getting a lot
> of people misspelling "masculine." Who'd have thought there were so many
> recipes qualified as "masculine"?
>

Perhaps a corruption of 'mesclun' a type of mixed salad greens ?

--
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Chris CII, Rennes, France

Kurt Ullman

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Dec 10, 2009, 3:03:00 PM12/10/09
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In article <4b2140d1$0$957$ba4a...@news.orange.fr>,
Christophe Bachmann <Chri...@JMVD.Info> wrote:

> Amy Guskin a �crit :


>
> > Not finding anything about "muscline" as a food, though. I'm getting a lot
> > of people misspelling "masculine." Who'd have thought there were so many
> > recipes qualified as "masculine"?
> >
> Perhaps a corruption of 'mesclun' a type of mixed salad greens ?

Maybe a corruption of mescaline

Kurt (A child of the 70s) Ullman

voxwoman

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Dec 10, 2009, 9:51:12 PM12/10/09
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On Dec 10, 8:59 am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:56:13 -0500, voxwoman wrote
>
> (in article
> <52aca57d-f338-44a9-8bf7-8cd6ea92f...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):

>
>
>
> > On Dec 9, 11:02 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>
> >> Amy (milk is only one of the foods that begin with "m" that I do not eat)
>
> > Trying to think of other foods that begin with "m"...
>
> > marshmallow
> > mousse
> > moose
> > marmalade
> > mutton
> > muscline
>
> > ok, there are other foods that begin with m... <<
>
> Moose and mutton are right, insofar as they are red meat (which really can't
> qualify for the "m" designation -- though I guess "mammals" would work for
> that, as they are all red meat!).
>
> Not finding anything about "muscline" as a food, though.  I'm getting a lot
> of people misspelling "masculine."  Who'd have thought there were so many
> recipes qualified as "masculine"?

I probably spelled it wrong. Maybe it's mesclun? also known as "spring
mix" - a combination of various lettuce leaves of different colors and
textures. I figured you eat that...

-Wendy

David Williams

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Dec 11, 2009, 2:03:17 PM12/11/09
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"Amy Guskin" <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C74668F0...@news.eternal-september.org...

All this and none of you came up with Macaroni?!

Wes Struebing

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Dec 11, 2009, 8:38:49 PM12/11/09
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Nah. We ate it all last week...

voxwoman

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Dec 11, 2009, 8:57:42 PM12/11/09
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On Dec 11, 2:03 pm, "David Williams" <kosh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Amy Guskin" <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message

>
> news:0001HW.C74668F0...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> All this and none of you came up with Macaroni?!

We aren't Yankee Doodle you know!

-Wendy

Dave Hayslett

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:18:08 PM12/11/09
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:38:49 -0700, Wes Struebing wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:03:17 -0600, "David Williams"
> <kos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Amy Guskin" <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
>>news:0001HW.C74668F0...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>All this and none of you came up with Macaroni?!
>>
> Nah. We ate it all last week...

It would be bad if that came up.

--
Dave (12/11/2009 9:18:02 PM)

Class dismissed. Time to die.

lizardgirl

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:33:41 PM12/16/09
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On Dec 10, 6:59 am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:56:13 -0500, voxwoman wrote

> Moose and mutton are right, insofar as they are red meat (which really can't


> qualify for the "m" designation -- though I guess "mammals" would work for
> that, as they are all red meat!).
>

a vegan friend of mine simple qualifies meat, all meat - red, white,
new, old, packaged, 'fresh,' as dead.

"meat is dead, gabi. dead!"

i couldn't bring myself to finish my cheese burger.

g


Dave Hayslett

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:44:55 PM12/16/09
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Your friend eats live plants, I suppose? :-)

--
Dave (12/16/2009 12:44:47 PM)

This town needs a strong man to save it,
and we are that man!

Jo'Asia

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:50:01 PM12/16/09
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lizardgirl wrote:

> a vegan friend of mine simple qualifies meat, all meat - red, white,
> new, old, packaged, 'fresh,' as dead.

What about oysters?

> "meat is dead, gabi. dead!"

Well, I prefer eating dead meat. I would also say that bread, for
instance, is dead too...

> i couldn't bring myself to finish my cheese burger.

I do not like burgers, so I would not have this problem. But I do not
think that something like that could stop me from eating a nice steak. :]

Jo'Asia

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__.-=-. -< Joanna Slupek >----------------------< http://esensja.pl/ >-
--<()> -< joasia @ hell . pl >------< http://bujold.fantastyka.net/ >-
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SLerman

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Dec 16, 2009, 2:07:56 PM12/16/09
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"Save a tree, eat a cow."

Or

"Plants have feelings too!"

Kay Shapero

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Dec 16, 2009, 10:30:58 PM12/16/09
to
In article <32dedead-32ba-4b16-9135-1ee2b1b91675
@e7g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, gab...@comcast.net says...

> On Dec 10, 6:59=A0am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:56:13 -0500, voxwoman wrote
>
> > Moose and mutton are right, insofar as they are red meat (which really ca=
> n't
> > qualify for the "m" designation -- though I guess "mammals" would work fo=

> r
> > that, as they are all red meat!).
> >
>
> a vegan friend of mine simple qualifies meat, all meat - red, white,
> new, old, packaged, 'fresh,' as dead.
>
> "meat is dead, gabi. dead!"

Well I should HOPE so.... You want it should be alive?


>
> i couldn't bring myself to finish my cheese burger.
>

If you got it at a few fast fooderies I can think of (cough Carl's Jr.
cough), that was probably a good idea anyway. Shoe leather is probably
more tasty...

--
Kay Shapero
address munged, email kay at following domain
http://www.kayshapero.net

lizardgirl

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Dec 18, 2009, 6:11:58 PM12/18/09
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On Dec 16, 10:44 am, Dave Hayslett <haysl...@sc.rr.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:33:41 -0800 (PST), lizardgirl wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 6:59 am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:56:13 -0500, voxwoman wrote
>
> >> Moose and mutton are right, insofar as they are red meat (which really can't
> >> qualify for the "m" designation -- though I guess "mammals" would work for
> >> that, as they are all red meat!).
>
> > a vegan friend of mine simple qualifies meat, all meat - red, white,
> > new, old, packaged, 'fresh,' as dead.
>
> > "meat is dead, gabi.  dead!"
>
> > i couldn't bring myself to finish my cheese burger.
>
> Your friend eats live plants, I suppose?  :-)
>

of course, but you'll never get her to admit it. :^) something about
heartbeats and maggots.

g

lizardgirl

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Dec 18, 2009, 6:15:48 PM12/18/09
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On Dec 16, 10:50 am, Jo'Asia <joa...@hell.pl> wrote:
> lizardgirl wrote:
> > a vegan friend of mine simple qualifies meat, all meat - red, white,
> > new, old, packaged, 'fresh,' as dead.
>
> What about oysters?
>

not sure i'll have to ask, personally i love' em

> > "meat is dead, gabi.  dead!"
>
> Well, I prefer eating dead meat. I would also say that bread, for
> instance, is dead too...
>
> > i couldn't bring myself to finish my cheese burger.
>
> I do not like burgers, so I would not have this problem. But I do not
> think that something like that could stop me from eating a nice steak. :]
>

you and me both :^)

g

lizardgirl

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Dec 18, 2009, 6:20:27 PM12/18/09
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On Dec 16, 8:30 pm, Kay Shapero <k...@kayshapero.net> wrote:
> In article <32dedead-32ba-4b16-9135-1ee2b1b91675
> @e7g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, gab...@comcast.net says...
>
> > On Dec 10, 6:59=A0am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:56:13 -0500, voxwoman wrote
>
> > > Moose and mutton are right, insofar as they are red meat (which really ca=
> > n't
> > > qualify for the "m" designation -- though I guess "mammals" would work fo=
> > r
> > > that, as they are all red meat!).
>
> > a vegan friend of mine simple qualifies meat, all meat - red, white,
> > new, old, packaged, 'fresh,' as dead.
>
> > "meat is dead, gabi.  dead!"
>
> Well I should HOPE so....  You want it should be alive?
>

how oh how to answer this, tastefully. :^)
depends on the venue, the menu and wether its a tasting or a true sit
down.

> > i couldn't bring myself to finish my cheese burger.
>
> If you got it at a few fast fooderies I can think of (cough Carl's Jr.
> cough), that was probably a good idea anyway.  Shoe leather is probably
> more tasty...

though not as calorie laden.

g

Matt Ion

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Dec 25, 2009, 2:34:21 AM12/25/09
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On 16/12/2009 9:44 AM, Dave Hayslett wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:33:41 -0800 (PST), lizardgirl wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 6:59 am, Amy Guskin<aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:56:13 -0500, voxwoman wrote
>>
>>> Moose and mutton are right, insofar as they are red meat (which really can't
>>> qualify for the "m" designation -- though I guess "mammals" would work for
>>> that, as they are all red meat!).
>>>
>>
>> a vegan friend of mine simple qualifies meat, all meat - red, white,
>> new, old, packaged, 'fresh,' as dead.
>>
>> "meat is dead, gabi. dead!"
>>
>> i couldn't bring myself to finish my cheese burger.
>
> Your friend eats live plants, I suppose? :-)

And the angel of the Lord came unto me,
snatching me up from my
place of slumber,
and took me on high,
and higher still until we
moved in the spaces betwixt the air itself.
and he bore me unto a
vast farmland of our own midwest,
and as we descended cries of
impending doom rose from the soil.
one thousand, nay, a million
voices full of fear.
and terror possessed me then.
and I begged,

"Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me,
"These are the cries of the carrots,
the cries of the carrots.
You see, reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day
and to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
like the tears of one millions terrified brothers
and roared,
"Hear me now,
I have seen the light,
they have a consciousness,
they have a life,
they have a soul.
damn you!
let the rabbits wear glasses,
save our brothers...can I get an amen?
can I get a hallelujah? thank you, Jesus.

life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on...
this is necessary

- TOOL, "Disgustipated".


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