Indy IV
as...@pomona.claremont.edu
you expect. I can't tell you from where I heard this (but trust me, it's a
very reliable source...a certain 1-800 number, and a certain employee
who was willing to reveal more than he should) but I from what I can tell
, as long as Lucas is gonna hit his standard Wednesday before Memorial Day
release date, this is a matter of months...NOT years. (Once I thought about
it, it's not that hard to imagine. After all, the script reportedly, orig-
inates from the Young Indy show, and Jurassic Park, with significantly more
special effects, started principle photography on Aug 24th, 1992 and was
released on June 11th 1993.)
-Aditya
Jason John Seaver
writes:
Yes, but Jurassic Park had *TWO YEARS* of preproduction. Spielberg
only finished Schindler's List a couple of months ago (and unless you think
that someone else will direct an Indy theatrical film...) and deserves some
time off. Harrison Ford should be starting Clear and Present Danger soon,
and all the news has involved him, not Sean Patrick Flannery; I will grant,
however, that an undue amount of attention was paid to Ford for Mystery of
the Blues. Also, I don't think Paramount would try to release two Harrison
Ford action/adventures next summer. I still guess May '95, but I'll be
happy to be proved wrong.
-Jay
as...@pomona.claremont.edu
That's completely true, but there are a few points that we don't know about and
a few that could be easily explained.
1). We don't know how lohng Indy was in pre-production. Amblin's projects
(since they are made in Hollywood, rather than Marin County) have alot more
press associated with them. Just as we don't know how much work has transpired
on Star Wars I-III, Indy IV may have been in pre-production for a long time.
2). Now alot of Pre-production time is spent on two things, script development and
effects work. Now, the script was already basically written for the Young Indy
show, and the effects work on Indy is considerably less than JP.
3). Spielberg DOES remain an enigma. But, in a recent Variety (I think) he was
quoted as saying that he would come back from Schindler's List with something
noteably more upbeat. Of course, after directing a three hour film about the
Holocaust, almost anything would fit that criteria, but the way he says it
sounds as if he already knew what his next project would be.
4). As for Clear and Present Danger: Since they are both made by Paramount,
Par simply has the option to not Greenlight Clear and Present Danger for
another year. After all Par would MUCH rather have an Indy movie (average
gross, around $200 million) than a Jack Ryan movie (Patriot Games: $80 million)
5). I can't deny what I heard from the Lucasfilm rep. He sounded completely
convincing (and conspiritorial...:)
How's that?
-Aditya
>
>
Jason John Seaver
writes:
>In article <281ftp$o...@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, jse...@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John
>Seaver) writes:
>>In article <009730C6...@pomona.claremont.edu>
>>as...@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>>>I have strong reason to say that the new Indy movie will be out ALOT sooner
>>>than you expect. I can't tell you from where I heard this (but trust me,
>>>it's a very reliable source...a certain 1-800 number, and a certain employee
>>>who was willing to reveal more than he should) but I from what I can tell
>>>, as long as Lucas is gonna hit his standard Wednesday before Memorial Day
>>>release date, this is a matter of months...NOT years. (Once I thought about
>>>it, it's not that hard to imagine. After all, the script reportedly, orig-
>>>inates from the Young Indy show, and Jurassic Park, with significantly more
>>>special effects, started principle photography on Aug 24th, 1992 and was
>>>released on June 11th 1993.)
>>
>> Yes, but Jurassic Park had *TWO YEARS* of preproduction. Spielberg
>>only finished Schindler's List a couple of months ago (and unless you think
>>that someone else will direct an Indy theatrical film...) and deserves some
>>time off. Harrison Ford should be starting Clear and Present Danger soon,
>>and all the news has involved him, not Sean Patrick Flannery; I will grant,
>>however, that an undue amount of attention was paid to Ford for Mystery of
>>the Blues. Also, I don't think Paramount would try to release two Harrison
>>Ford action/adventures next summer. I still guess May '95, but I'll be
>>happy to be proved wrong.
>
>and a few that could be easily explained.
>
>1). We don't know how lohng Indy was in pre-production. Amblin's projects
>(since they are made in Hollywood, rather than Marin County) have alot more
>press associated with them. Just as we don't know how much work has
>transpired on Star Wars I-III, Indy IV may have been in pre-production for a
>long time.
Yes, but an Indy movie requires more location shooting, lining up of
non-unknowns (although Denholm Elliot won't be in it, this does cut down on
things); stuff where the arrangements would get pretty well known ("Can we
use your land to shoot Indiana Jones 4?").
>2). Now alot of Pre-production time is spent on two things, script development
>and effects work. Now, the script was already basically written for the Young
>Indy show, and the effects work on Indy is considerably less than JP.
I really don't think a Young Indy script would work out for a Harrison
Ford movie; the thing would have to be just about completely rewritten.
>3). Spielberg DOES remain an enigma. But, in a recent Variety (I think) he
>was quoted as saying that he would come back from Schindler's List with
>something noteably more upbeat. Of course, after directing a three hour film
>about the Holocaust, almost anything would fit that criteria, but the way he
>says it sounds as if he already knew what his next project would be.
Mr. Magoo? Casper the Friendly Ghost? He's mentioned both of those.
>4). As for Clear and Present Danger: Since they are both made by Paramount,
>Par simply has the option to not Greenlight Clear and Present Danger for
>another year. After all Par would MUCH rather have an Indy movie (average
>gross, around $200 million) than a Jack Ryan movie (Patriot Games: $80
>million)
I was under the impression that C&PD was damn close to filming, if
not already underway. It was planned for next year, and the producers may
have already contracted a lot of actors, locations, services. Though they'd
rather have Indy 4 than Ryan 3, they'd like to have both even more.
>5). I can't deny what I heard from the Lucasfilm rep. He sounded completely
>convincing (and conspiritorial...:)
"Okay, next time someone calls up this line fishing for information,
let's see how much s--- we can sling at them..." :-)
-Jay
as...@pomona.claremont.edu
Agreed, but casting/location scouting are portions of the pre-production phase,
and as I said we don't know how long the film has been in pre-production.
Also, Lucasfilm already has had the machinery in place to deal with casting and
locations for Indy work, with the Young Indy show. Also, alot of the interiors
could be shot at the Soundstages at Lucasfilm or at the Carolco studios where
some of the Young Indy was shot. (An unfortunate sidenote:
Elstree Studios, where all of the Star Wars movies and Indy movies were, at
least, partially filmed is slated for destruction next month.)
>>2). Now alot of Pre-production time is spent on two things, script development
>>and effects work. Now, the script was already basically written for the Young
>>Indy show, and the effects work on Indy is considerably less than JP.
>
> I really don't think a Young Indy script would work out for a Harrison
>Ford movie; the thing would have to be just about completely rewritten.
I don't think it would have to be completely re-written. Remember, the Young
Indy show was attracting alot of A-list writers. What would need to be changed
are the dates (obviously) and some settings (i.e. adding Nazi's). But the
basic essence of the story (i.e. the object Indy has to discover) and the
research that entails would have already been done. Put it this way, Lucas
(according to USA Today) recognized that one of his scripts had alot of
potential, and that's when he sought out Spielberg and Ford.
>>3). Spielberg DOES remain an enigma. But, in a recent Variety (I think) he
>>was quoted as saying that he would come back from Schindler's List with
>>something noteably more upbeat. Of course, after directing a three hour film
>>about the Holocaust, almost anything would fit that criteria, but the way he
>>says it sounds as if he already knew what his next project would be.
>
> Mr. Magoo? Casper the Friendly Ghost? He's mentioned both of those.
I doubt Spielberg will direct Mr. Magoo, and Alex Proyas (director of "The
Crow"-the movie Brandon Lee was killed on) has already been inked to direct
Casper. If anything, the movie I though might conflict was "The Bridges of
Madison County", which Spielberg was rumored to have directed next.
>>4). As for Clear and Present Danger: Since they are both made by Paramount,
>>Par simply has the option to not Greenlight Clear and Present Danger for
>>another year. After all Par would MUCH rather have an Indy movie (average
>>gross, around $200 million) than a Jack Ryan movie (Patriot Games: $80
>>million)
>
> I was under the impression that C&PD was damn close to filming, if
>not already underway. It was planned for next year, and the producers may
>have already contracted a lot of actors, locations, services. Though they'd
>rather have Indy 4 than Ryan 3, they'd like to have both even more.
According to the Hollywood Reporter, dated Sept. 21st. Clear and Present
Danger's start date was Oct. 5th. Plenty of movies have been halted much
sooner to the proposed start date. (For instance, Harrison Ford was gonna be
in a movie called NIGHT RIDE DOWN, written by Star Wars co-scribes Huyuck and
Katz, and just a few weeks before shooting was to start, Harrison did PATRIOT
GAMES, instead...both for Paramount...) Also, Neufield-Rehme, the producers,
might like to also focus in on their other big-budget film that they are
currently overseeing, BEVERLY HILLS COP III
>
>>5). I can't deny what I heard from the Lucasfilm rep. He sounded completely
>>convincing (and conspiritorial...:)
>
> "Okay, next time someone calls up this line fishing for information,
>let's see how much s--- we can sling at them..." :-)
>
This is obviously possible. But, all I can report is that from the tone of
voice of the guy, he seemed to be giving me the straight stuff. Obviously,
neither one of us will know for sure, untill we see written proof.
-Aditya
(jeez this is a long message, I think we should cut some of this down..:)
>
Jeffery Vernon Parks
>
> 4). As for Clear and Present Danger: Since they are both made by Paramount,
> Par simply has the option to not Greenlight Clear and Present Danger for
> another year. After all Par would MUCH rather have an Indy movie (average
> gross, around $200 million) than a Jack Ryan movie (Patriot Games: $80 million)
>
>
> >
> >
Well, I happen to know for a fact that one of the bigwigs from
Paramount, as well as the director and key production people
for Clear and Present Danger have been to CIA headquarters
(this summer) to talk with people about the movie and to get an
idea for what the various sets and scenes for the movie should
look like. Harrison Ford is supposed to be there one day
sometime soon to sit down with the same people to get to
understand the role better. In other words, the movie is
already well into the pre-production stages and should probably
start shooting soon.
Just my $0.02....
Jeff
as...@pomona.claremont.edu
5th, and many movies have been halted days before the film started rolling.
Plus, if Indy IV is indeed under production, Clear and Present Danger will be
delayed, not cancelled.
-Aditya
Todd Liebenow
I don't want to argue about this.
As much as I'd like to see an Indy IV soon, I doubt very highly
that it would be ready this summer. I'd say the earliest date
would be Christmas 1995.
Ford is slated to start "Clear and Present Danger" within days
of now. True, productions this far into pre-production have been
halted before. However, I don't think this would be a wise move
on the part of Paramount. Indiana Jones is a film franchise they
could restart at any time and have it be just as popular as it ever was.
I don't think this is possible with the Jack Ryan franchise.
Plus, Harrison Ford has said that after filming "Clear and Present
Danger" HE IS TAKING A YEAR OFF (Check out the September issue of
Premiere Magazine and see for yourself). He says after that he's going to
do "little movies about strange men and their parakeets." Somehow
I don't think Dr. Jones fits that mold. This can always change
of course.
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as...@pomona.claremont.edu
> OK, here's my contribution but this will be it.
>I don't want to argue about this.
>
> As much as I'd like to see an Indy IV soon, I doubt very highly
>that it would be ready this summer. I'd say the earliest date
>would be Christmas 1995.
>
> Ford is slated to start "Clear and Present Danger" within days
>of now. True, productions this far into pre-production have been
>halted before. However, I don't think this would be a wise move
>on the part of Paramount. Indiana Jones is a film franchise they
>could restart at any time and have it be just as popular as it ever was.
>I don't think this is possible with the Jack Ryan franchise.
>
> Plus, Harrison Ford has said that after filming "Clear and Present
>Danger" HE IS TAKING A YEAR OFF (Check out the September issue of
>Premiere Magazine and see for yourself). He says after that he's going to
>do "little movies about strange men and their parakeets." Somehow
>I don't think Dr. Jones fits that mold. This can always change
>of course.
There is probably no way that Lucasfilm would not release an Indy movie in the
winter, it is and probably will always be a "summer" movie. As for Harrison
taking time off, he said that he will probably take a year off, BUT after "The
Fugitive", his career is as hot as it has ever been. Variety has said that his
asking price for a film will probably be in the $12-15 million range. I know
Harrison doesn't play the Hollywood game, but he is not stupid.
As for it not being a wise move for Paramount? I don't know about you, but I
would much rather have a chance to make $200 million than $80 million. The
Indy franchise CANNOT be restarted at any time, because Lucas owns the rights
to the characters, and so any Indy movie would need the divine triumvirate of
Lucas, Spielberg and Ford all saying yes at the same time. The Jack Ryan films
are made by Neufield-Rehme productions, who have an exclusive deal at
Paramount. They are much more into the mass production business than Lucasfilm
(they generally have at least two or three movies a year), and they are
probably much more flexible in regard to waiting a few months before the do
Clear and Present Danger.
-Aditya
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> Patriotism swells in the heart of the American Bear
> -Fozzie Bear
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How odd...I'm listening to The Muppet Movie soundtrack right now...:)
Joshua Ling
> As much as I'd like to see an Indy IV soon, I doubt very highly
>that it would be ready this summer. I'd say the earliest date
>would be Christmas 1995.
ENOUGH with the possibility of INDY 4 coming out in 1994....if they
started tommorrow they wouldn't be done until 1995. From every source that
I have heard about the new project, there has only been an AGREEMENT on
doing another INDY, they aren't even in early preproduction...
...I seem to recall being in the middle of another argument
last year when people were CONVINCED that the new Star Wars film was
going to be released THIS year...8-)...as a matter of fact I bet some
guy in Sweden (?) $10 that it WOULDN'T be out this year...I guess I won
..8-) so if that guy is still on this group..and I haven't seen him
lately.....you owe me $10.
Another "Blue Harvest" my butt.....
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as...@pomona.claremont.edu
>In article <squonk.749107823@camelot> squ...@camelot.bradley.edu (Todd Liebenow) writes:
>
>> As much as I'd like to see an Indy IV soon, I doubt very highly
>>that it would be ready this summer. I'd say the earliest date
>>would be Christmas 1995.
>
> ENOUGH with the possibility of INDY 4 coming out in 1994....if they
>started tommorrow they wouldn't be done until 1995. From every source that
>I have heard about the new project, there has only been an AGREEMENT on
>doing another INDY, they aren't even in early preproduction...
> ...I seem to recall being in the middle of another argument
>last year when people were CONVINCED that the new Star Wars film was
>going to be released THIS year...8-)...as a matter of fact I bet some
>guy in Sweden (?) $10 that it WOULDN'T be out this year...I guess I won
>lately.....you owe me $10.
>
> Another "Blue Harvest" my butt.....
Josh, while you are correct in that all of the other Indy films have been
filmed over a longer period of time then what I am proposing for Indy 4, movies
have been known to be shot in much shorter periods of time. For instance, The
Fugitive which had a Indy-size budget (about $40 million+) started filming
February 4th and made an August 6th release date! Terminator 2 ($90
million-plus) started filming around Labor day 1990 and made a July 2nd, 1991
release. Jurassic Park ($56-65 million) started filming August 24th and was
released June 11th. I'm quoting these dollar figures just to give a sense of
scale on these productions. As for not being in pre-production, again I refer
to my previous posts on us not knowing how long the script has been in
development (I first heard about Harrison Ford's interest in another Indy movie
back in early August on the radio.) Also remember, news that is released
through press statements is often "edited (i.e. not completly true" depending
on what the supplier wants to say. All I can say is what the man who answered
my call at LucasArts said. Sure, he may have been bs-ing me, but the way he
said it, I seriously doubt it.
-Aditya
Martin Thurn
>special effects, started principle photography on Aug 24th, 1992 and was
>released on June 11th 1993.)
NO! Jurassic Park FINISHED live-action photography then. That
typhoon hit Hawaii on the LAST day of filming, late in the summer of
1992. Unless I'm crazy...
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- - editor, The Star Wars Collector
as...@pomona.claremont.edu
No, check any Hollywood Reporter or The Making of Jurassic Park. Filming
started in Hawaii on August 24th, and the hurricane hit on the last day of
shooting in Hawaii, around the second week of September. The rest of the film
was shot (as planned) on soundstages at the Universal Studios backlot.
Principal photography ended around the first or second week of December (12
days ahead of schedule)
-Aditya
as...@pomona.claremont.edu