Black Rebels?
Defender
This sounds like a dumb question, but here goes.:
Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
-Defender of the Faith
John Wielgosz
Hmmm..I saw SW:SE for the third time today, and there were several black
people walking around Mos Eisley, but that was it. I always thought there
should have been more variety in the Rebellion. Female pilots would have
been nice...
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I guess the best explanation is that thre aren't a lot of black actors
in England. Oh, well.
Scott
Karen D. Alfrey
In article <32F843...@frontiercomm.net>,
Defender <defe...@frontiercomm.net> wrote:
>This sounds like a dumb question, but here goes.:
>
>Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
>GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
>member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
>this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
>when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
I can't remember any black members of the Rebel Alliance, either, and
in fact, the only black actors I can think of who were associated with
the trilogy besides the two you mentioned are Femi Taylor (who played
Oola, the dancer in Jabba's palace) and, of course, James Earl Jones.
-k
O.J. Habraeken
Defender wrote:
>
> This sounds like a dumb question, but here goes.:
>
> Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
> GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>
What about women?
Oscar H.
Bryan Cain
I cant testify to the truth of this statement, but when i say david
prowse at a convention, he was talking about why they had james earl
jones do darth's voice. According to him, the only reason was because
in ANH, there were no black people in any part of the movie, so they put
Jones in to appease american audiences. like i said, i cant testify to
the validity of this, but he did say it.
hra...@cloud9.net
John Wielgosz (slw...@ptdprolog.net) wrote:
: > Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
: > GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
: > member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
: > this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
: > when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
Along the same lines... Why do the Emperial higher-ups speak in British
accents?
Eugene Freedman
O.J. Habraeken wrote:
>
> > Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
> > GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> > member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> > this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> > when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>
At that time, as now I believe, no Earth army allowed women in combat.
This is similar within the rebel alliance. There are a few women in
leadership positions, however. Leia is the most prominent, but Mon
Mothma seems to be the overall political leader of the rebellion.
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Hans Lo
> I cant testify to the truth of this statement, but when i say david
> prowse at a convention, he was talking about why they had james earl
> jones do darth's voice. According to him, the only reason was because
> in ANH, there were no black people in any part of the movie, so they put
> Jones in to appease american audiences. like i said, i cant testify to
> the validity of this, but he did say it.
How true is that? If you remember, James Earl Jones wasn't even credited
for Vader's voice in Star Wars. I don't know if he was credited in
Empire but I'm pretty sure he was in Return.
Peter Suciu
> Along the same lines... Why do the Emperial higher-ups speak in British
>accents?
I always wondered if that was done to show parallels with the American Revolution. I didn't so, but it could also be
done to show that the Imperial forces are similar to armies of Wellington and Napoleon where officers could buy their
commissions.
Thus it could explain why the leaders weren't really that good. They did okay when they had vastly superior numbers and
weapons but they were really better soldiers than their rebel counterparts.
Matt Martinez
Bryan Cain wrote:
>
> I cant testify to the truth of this statement, but when i say david
> prowse at a convention, he was talking about why they had james earl
> jones do darth's voice. According to him, the only reason was because
> in ANH, there were no black people in any part of the movie, so they put
> Jones in to appease american audiences. like i said, i cant testify to
> the validity of this, but he did say it.
>
And who woulda thought it would have become one of the major things that
*makes* that character? Without Jones's voice, Darth Vader just
wouldn't be the same!
--
Matt
"Do not be so proud of this technological terror you have constructed.
The ability to criticize Star Wars is insignificant next to power of the
Fans"
-Brandon David Short
(-o-)
Robert TorresII
Hans Lo <h...@novice.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>> I cant testify to the truth of this statement, but when i say david
>> prowse at a convention, he was talking about why they had james earl
>> jones do darth's voice. According to him, the only reason was because
>> in ANH, there were no black people in any part of the movie, so they put
>> Jones in to appease american audiences. like i said, i cant testify to
>> the validity of this, but he did say it.
>How true is that? If you remember, James Earl Jones wasn't even credited
>for Vader's voice in Star Wars. I don't know if he was credited in
>Empire but I'm pretty sure he was in Return.
Mr Jones did not want credit for the voice overs because he felt that
he really didn't earn the right to do so. Of the time it took to make
Star Wars, James Earl Jones contrubution was only 3 hours of work. It
wasn't until Return of the Jedi did Mr. Lucas press the issue of voice
credit onto Mr. Jones.
Robert Torres II
Nk
hra...@cloud9.net wrote in article <5dcjlh$o...@cloud9.net>...
> John Wielgosz (slw...@ptdprolog.net) wrote:
> : > Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
> : > GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> : > member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> : > this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> : > when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>
> Along the same lines... Why do the Emperial higher-ups speak in British
> accents?
>
The reason I think is bec. what I got out of it is that Lucas modeled his
Empire using the old British Empire, which was the most imperialistic in
history. Also, think about it, the emperor sure is a lot like the queen,
in meaning to the story. (ex: "Long live the queen" = Long live the
emperor,etc...)
Wayne Poe
Defender wrote:
>This sounds like a dumb question, but here goes.:
>
>Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
>GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
>member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
>this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
>when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
Yes, when Luke parks his speeder in Mos Eisley, a black guy in a yellow
shirt walks by. He walks by again in the scene where Threepio says, "I
don't like the look of this" And no, this is NOT as SE add-on extra.
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Writer, Filmmaker, "Han..HAN! Makki CHEE sey..."
Makeup fx artist,
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Emperor Sheffaro
Nk wrote:
>
> hra...@cloud9.net wrote in article <5dcjlh$o...@cloud9.net>...
> > John Wielgosz (slw...@ptdprolog.net) wrote:
> > : > GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> > : > member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> > : > this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> > : > when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
> >
> > accents?
> >
> The reason I think is bec. what I got out of it is that Lucas modeled his
> Empire using the old British Empire, which was the most imperialistic in
> history. Also, think about it, the emperor sure is a lot like the queen,
> in meaning to the story. (ex: "Long live the queen" = Long live the
> emperor,etc...)
Not quite, I'm afraid.
First of all, the obvious answer to the question of the British
accents... much of the movie was not filmed in the US, and many of the
actors were British. Peter Cushing, who played Tarkin, also had a
British accent, and its likely that the other Imperial officers were
selected to keep up the trend to let Tarkin fit in. British accents
also help to provide contrast between the strict, "Victorian" Imperial
officers and the rag-tag rebels.
Now, for the other reason. The Empire is NOT fashioned after the
British Empire in any way shape or form. The British Empire was ruled
primarily by economic means (not that they didn't have the largest
fleet). Their strategies of economic domination worked very well, but
in America, there were too many available and unclaimed resources to
make it work.
The Empire WAS styled after the Nazis of World War II. Just look at
the uniforms. The grey and black color, the hats, the pants, are all
very similar or identical to those used by the Nazis. Furthermore, the
Nazis were a totalitarian system, as was the Empire. The British
monarchs were NOT totalitarian in any way (totalitarians are not content
just with ruling in name, but want to have direct, total control of
every facet of their domain... read 1984). Furthermore, the British
rulers were limited by Parliament and would never have gotten away with
disbanding it. Hitler, on the other hand, gained power by disbanding
the German congress for "the duration of the emergency" (in the movie it
was rebels, in WWII it was a depression) and assuming full control in
its place. Both Palpatine and Hitler rose to power and took power
through fully legal means, and with the support of the ruled subjects
(at least initially).
Justin Dagna
aka Emperor Lucius Sheffaro of the Star Wars Sim
http://www.calpoly.edu/~jdagna/swsim.html
Chad Stratton
Karen D. Alfrey <alf...@baro.rice.edu> wrote in article
<5dbosk$n06$1...@joe.rice.edu>...
> In article <32F843...@frontiercomm.net>,
> Defender <defe...@frontiercomm.net> wrote:
> >This sounds like a dumb question, but here goes.:
> >
> >Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
> >GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> >member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> >this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> >when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>
> I can't remember any black members of the Rebel Alliance, either, and
> in fact, the only black actors I can think of who were associated with
> the trilogy besides the two you mentioned are Femi Taylor (who played
> Oola, the dancer in Jabba's palace) and, of course, James Earl Jones.
>
> -k
>
>
>
>
At Mos Eisly their is a black man walking behind Obi Wan and Luke right
before they enter. He isn't a rebel that we know of, but he was an extra on
the set.
Chad
Frantisek Fuka
>Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
>GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
>member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
>this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
>when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
I don't remember any black person in Star Wars. In fact, if I remember
correctly, Star Wars take place "A long time age in a galaxy far, far
away...", so there are not any PERSONS appearing in it. Only aliens.
-------------------------------------------------
Frantisek Fuka
http://www.mamedia.cz/ff/
Grayson Squier Lang
> Along the same lines... Why do the Emperial higher-ups speak in British
> accents?
It may sound like a stupid reason, but it's really because the acting was done
on a London sound stage, (i.e. many of the actors were found locally)
What I find particulary humorous, though is that Leia got so acclimated to the
local accent that at the beginning of ANH (like when she speaks to Tarkin)
that she speaks in a British accent herself. She loses it later, though,
because she started acting more with the main characters.
phonetically:
"The moh you tighten youa grip Tak, the moh stahsystems will slip through yoah
fingahs."
: )
- Grayson
Eugene Freedman
Grayson Squier Lang wrote:
>
> > Along the same lines... Why do the Emperial higher-ups speak in British
> > accents?
>
> It may sound like a stupid reason, but it's really because the acting was done
> on a London sound stage, (i.e. many of the actors were found locally)
>
> What I find particulary humorous, though is that Leia got so acclimated to the
> local accent that at the beginning of ANH (like when she speaks to Tarkin)
> that she speaks in a British accent herself. She loses it later, though,
> because she started acting more with the main characters.
I just thought she was being an upper crust Senator, speaking with an
I'm better than you accent. (commonly thougth to be English- actually
nothing like cockney.
David Sentz
John Wielgosz (slw...@ptdprolog.net) wrote:
> : > Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
> : > GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> : > member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> : > this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> : > when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
I didn't see anyone mention the Black security guard on Bespin. He
even had his own action figure.
Dave
Paula
I saw a black person walking the streets of Mos Eisley in the SE. I don't
think I had ever seen him in there before.
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David Sentz <dse...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5dfip8$k...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>...
John Flack
On 6 Feb 1997 18:27:30 GMT, "O.J. Habraeken" <ohab...@concepts.nl>
wrote:
>Eugene Freedman wrote:
>>
>> O.J. Habraeken wrote:
>> >
>> > > Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
>> > > GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
>> > > member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
>> > > this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
>> > > when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>> >
In ROTJ, during the death star attack briefing, there is a black man
sitting next to Leia, but you need the widescreen version to see this.
Then again, he could be the pilot he says "She's gonna blow".
John
Jonas Grumby
On Wed, 05 Feb 1997 22:20:08 -0500, in article
<32F94D...@ptdprolog.net>, slw...@ptdprolog.net (John Wielgosz )
says...
:
:Defender wrote:
:>
:> This sounds like a dumb question, but here goes.:
:> Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
:> GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
:> member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
:> this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
:> when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
:> -Defender of the Faith
:
:Hmmm..I saw SW:SE for the third time today, and there were several black
:people walking around Mos Eisley, but that was it. I always thought
there
:should have been more variety in the Rebellion. Female pilots would have
:been nice...
I never noticed the black extras in the new Mos Eisley scenes!!
But thanks for pointing that out. I guess if you're going to knuckle
under to political correctness and have Han shoot Greedo in self-defense
rather than in cold blood (as he did originally), then you might as
well try to right another wrong by putting minorities in Star Wars:
A New Hope. Don't get me wrong, here -- SW took some flak 20
years ago for taking place in a "white galaxy", but what's
done is done. Seems to be "too little too late" to put black
extras in a re-release 20 years later.
«§þ!ññ£R»
Actually it WAS modeled after the British Empire. Get your facts straight.
It has nothing to do with the accents. This was even stated by Lucas
himself. The entire point of both the Nazi government and the British
Empire was to get control over all the land in the world in one way or the
other. Britain was more successful which also resulted in the saying "The
sun never sets in the British Empire." Also, if you really think your idea
of uniforms is valid just note how proper the British army is with their
unis. They, like all armed forces are very prim and proper when it comes
to dress up uniforms.
Emperor Sheffaro <jda...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<32FA6B...@earthlink.net>...
> Nk wrote:
> >
> > hra...@cloud9.net wrote in article <5dcjlh$o...@cloud9.net>...
> > > John Wielgosz (slw...@ptdprolog.net) wrote:
> > > : > Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
> > > : > GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> > > : > member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> > > : > this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> > > : > when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
> > >
> > > Along the same lines... Why do the Emperial higher-ups speak in
British
> > > accents?
> > >
Emperor Sheffaro
«§þ!ññ£R» wrote:
>
> Actually it WAS modeled after the British Empire. Get your facts straight.
> It has nothing to do with the accents. This was even stated by Lucas
> himself. The entire point of both the Nazi government and the British
> Empire was to get control over all the land in the world in one way or the
> other. Britain was more successful which also resulted in the saying "The
> sun never sets in the British Empire." Also, if you really think your idea
> of uniforms is valid just note how proper the British army is with their
> unis. They, like all armed forces are very prim and proper when it comes
> to dress up uniforms.
First off, where did Lucas say this and when?
Secondly, how do you explain 1) The uniforms' similarity to WWII Germans
2) the historical similartiy between the Old Republic and post WWI
Germany and the New Order and pre WWII Germany 3) the almost identical
rise to power of Hitler and Palpatine 4) the extermination of the jedi
and subjugation of alien races compared to the extermination of the Jews
5) the government structural similarites.
The British Empire has so little in common. On point 1... the British
uniforms were NEVER grey and never styled like that. 2) the British had
no war act as a catalyst for massive governmental change. 3) There was
never any significant, nor violent takeover of British power (except
possibly by Parliament), and NO monarch had total power. Even the
viceroys and territorial governors were accountable to the parliament,
and any monarch which tried to dissolve parliament would have been gone
in days. 4) The closest the British get to a holocaust is refusing
colonists full rights as British citizens, which is the only similarity
you'll get. however, the Nazi treatment of Slavs and Communists, were
like alien races and the Jews were parallels to the Jedi. 5) the British
government was a constitutional monarchy - the monarch was NOT the main
authority, Parliament was. the monarch was only the executive authority,
much like our President. Palpatine and Hitler BOTH took power by
becoming a "Prsident" over a congressional body, then evoking emergency
powers which did not exist in Britain. Both Hitler and Palpatine were
absolute dicators, with a bent not ONLY to control the world (as was the
British goal) but to control (in Hitler's case) the very genetic make-up
of his society, creating a super-race. Palpatine wanted nothing less
than to control the every thought of his subjects, something the British
frowned on and encouraged debate and free speech. If you can find ANY
similarity other than accents, I might have to consider your argument.
John Minor
> >GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> >member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> >this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> >when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>
> in fact, the only black actors I can think of who were associated with
> the trilogy besides the two you mentioned are Femi Taylor (who played
> Oola, the dancer in Jabba's palace) and, of course, James Earl Jones.
>
> -k
Mos Eisley spaceport contains a black extra walking in the background.
Ben
In <01bc14bb$620d2600$58032399@jimmie> "Chad Stratton" <xav...@msn.com>
writes:
>> Defender <defe...@frontiercomm.net> wrote:
>> >This sounds like a dumb question, but here goes.:
>> >
>> >Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
>> >GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
>> >member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
>> >this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
>> >when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>>
>> I can't remember any black members of the Rebel Alliance, either,
and
>> in fact, the only black actors I can think of who were associated
with
>> the trilogy besides the two you mentioned are Femi Taylor (who
played
>> Oola, the dancer in Jabba's palace) and, of course, James Earl
Jones.
>>
>> -k
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
right
>before they enter. He isn't a rebel that we know of, but he was an
extra on
>the set.
>
>Chad
Don't forget Lando. (but if you do it's understandable)
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hra...@cloud9.net
: >Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
: >GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
: >member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
<devils_advocate>
While thinking about this thread offline it occured to me, what about
Asian and Hispanic people in the SW Universe? Sure, there are some blacks
(token blacks I may add) but to the best of my knowledge the humans in the
Star Wars Universe are either white or black. Why was it mentioned that
there are few blacks in SW when other races seemed to be totally ignored?
</devils_advocate>
Grayson Squier Lang
>Actually it WAS modeled after the British Empire. Get your facts straight.
Then why, may I ask, are the main armed forces of the empire called
"stormtroopers"? The exact same thing as the Nazii regime.
NOTE:
This actually is pretty much a pointless argument, because Lucas just took
elements of many different dictatorship type govenrments and threw them into
one.
- Grayson
rk...@acsu.buffalo.edu
What about that Asian pilot in ROTJ who says "There's too many of them!"
and "I'm hit!"
Kevin Wagner
I really agree with the point that the Imperial party and the German Socialist
Workers Party (NSDAP) had much in common. The way they held ranks and
communicated with each other is very much like the way the Gauleiters and
Kreisleiters did with their superiors.
And the fact that "local governors will now have control" over systems was
very muck like the way the NSDAP rationed out its powers to their underlings,
but with direct reports to thme all the way up to the Fuhrer.
--kevin
Kevin Wagner
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>: >Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
>: >GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
>: >member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
><devils_advocate>
> While thinking about this thread offline it occured to me, what about
>Asian and Hispanic people in the SW Universe? Sure, there are some blacks
>(token blacks I may add) but to the best of my knowledge the humans in the
>Star Wars Universe are either white or black. Why was it mentioned that
>there are few blacks in SW when other races seemed to be totally ignored?
></devils_advocate>
remember, this happened a long time ago, so I would have to say that it all
happened before the flood which caused the different races.
Jacques Laverdure
John Minor <Emper...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> Karen D. Alfrey wrote:
I can't remember any black members of the Rebel Alliance, either, and
> > in fact, the only black actors I can think of who were associated with
> > the trilogy besides the two you mentioned are Femi Taylor (who played
> > Oola, the dancer in Jabba's palace) and, of course, James Earl Jones.
> >
> > -k
>
There is some black actors in Bespin background and I think one of Calrissian
personnal guard is black.
tn...@gate.net
jo...@erewhon.com (Jonas Grumby) wrote:
>I never noticed the black extras in the new Mos Eisley scenes!!
>But thanks for pointing that out. I guess if you're going to knuckle
>under to political correctness and have Han shoot Greedo in self-defense
>rather than in cold blood (as he did originally), then you might as
>well try to right another wrong by putting minorities in Star Wars:
>A New Hope. Don't get me wrong, here -- SW took some flak 20
>years ago for taking place in a "white galaxy", but what's
>done is done. Seems to be "too little too late" to put black
>extras in a re-release 20 years later.
>
guide them and tried to do the right thing.
Question,is a racist still a racist if he(or)she tries to rectify the
situation?
Dragon Rider
Eugene Freedman
hra...@cloud9.net wrote:
>
> : >Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
> : >GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> : >member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
>
> <devils_advocate>
>
> While thinking about this thread offline it occured to me, what about
> Asian and Hispanic people in the SW Universe? Sure, there are some blacks
> (token blacks I may add) but to the best of my knowledge the humans in the
> Star Wars Universe are either white or black. Why was it mentioned that
> there are few blacks in SW when other races seemed to be totally ignored?
>
> </devils_advocate>
There's an Asian guy who dies in the DS II battle also.
Rich Handley
The immortal kaw...@psu.edu (Kevin Wagner) wrote:
>remember, this happened a long time ago, so I would have to say that it all
>happened before the flood which caused the different races.
Huh?
Later!
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Wayne Poe
On 9 Feb 1997 hra...@cloud9.net wrote:
>While thinking about this thread offline it occured to me, what about
>Asian and Hispanic people in the SW Universe? Sure, there are some blacks
>(token blacks I may add) but to the best of my knowledge the humans in the
>Star Wars Universe are either white or black. Why was it mentioned that
>there are few blacks in SW when other races seemed to be totally ignored?
There's an Asian rebel pilots who buys it in the same scene the black one
does. And remember, all those white, or near white faces we see aren't all
WASPS! Some can be hispanic, Italian, Norwegian, etc. etc.
Besides, I'm not sure we can go any farther in ethnicity than the black
and Asian pilot. This IS a galaxy "far far away.." and there wouldn't be
and Spanish or French variations of the "basic" language there.
defe...@frontiercomm.net
In article <32fe2...@news.netcentral.co.uk>,
ko...@netcentral.co.uk (K. Owen) wrote:
>
> >Defender <defe...@frontiercomm.net> wrote:
>
> >This sounds like a dumb question, but here goes.:
>
> >GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> >member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> >when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>
>
> Much more importantly, where are all the Welsh Rebels? I have not seen
> one rebel officer with a thatch of red hair, a leek in his hand, or a
> sheep in his cockpit.
Now that just pisses me right off!!
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Defender
That would depend on if the racist rectified the situation to please
others or to please himself. Many movies have a token black, not
because they want to, but because others do. That's just the way
it is.
-Defender of the Faith
ssuga
seem like there were more people there. - Shawn D. Stone.
Dan Wendt
On 9 Feb 1997 23:21:30 GMT, Jacques Laverdure <sky...@odyssee.net>
wrote:
>John Minor <Emper...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Karen D. Alfrey wrote:
> I can't remember any black members of the Rebel Alliance, either, and
>> > in fact, the only black actors I can think of who were associated with
>> > the trilogy besides the two you mentioned are Femi Taylor (who played
>> > Oola, the dancer in Jabba's palace) and, of course, James Earl Jones.
>> >
>> > -k
>>
>> Mos Eisley spaceport contains a black extra walking in the background.
>
>
>There is some black actors in Bespin background and I think one of Calrissian
>personnal guard is black.
>
How about Lando, himself. (Or is that too obvious?)
Laura Marland
hra...@cloud9.net wrote in article <5dcjlh$o...@cloud9.net>...
> John Wielgosz (slw...@ptdprolog.net) wrote:
> : > GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> : > member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> : > this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> : > when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>
> accents?
Umm, because a lot of it was done in England ? Most of the extras were
British, thus have British accents (Which also explains the lack of black
characters ... there are far, far fewer blacks in England than in the
states.)
Laura Marland
tn...@gate.net wrote in article <32fe72f4...@news.gate.net>...
> jo...@erewhon.com (Jonas Grumby) wrote:
<snipped for bandwidth>
>>Don't get me wrong, here -- SW took some flak 20
> >years ago for taking place in a "white galaxy", but what's
> >done is done. Seems to be "too little too late" to put black
> >extras in a re-release 20 years later.
> >
> Seems to me that it is never to late.at least they let thier concince
> guide them and tried to do the right thing.
> Question,is a racist still a racist if he(or)she tries to rectify the
> situation?
>
> Dragon Rider
I would hardly call Lucas a racist because he took extras from the
population at hand in England, which is predominately a white country. The
aliens in the SW universe had a wide range of skin tones
Laura Marland
Dan Wendt <d...@phoenix.usahn.com> wrote in article
<3300d8ca...@news.primenet.com>...
> On 9 Feb 1997 23:21:30 GMT, Jacques Laverdure <sky...@odyssee.net>
> wrote:
> >John Minor <Emper...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> Karen D. Alfrey wrote:
> > I can't remember any black members of the Rebel Alliance, either,
and
> >> > in fact, the only black actors I can think of who were associated
with
> >> > the trilogy besides the two you mentioned are Femi Taylor (who
played
> >> > Oola, the dancer in Jabba's palace) and, of course, James Earl
Jones.
> >> Mos Eisley spaceport contains a black extra walking in the background.
> >There is some black actors in Bespin background and I think one of
Calrissian
> >personnal guard is black.
> >
> How about Lando, himself. (Or is that too obvious?)
I was seven when Star Wars came out in '77 so I was about 10 for ESB. I
never realized that Lando was black until about 6 or 7 years later when I
saw him on a black awards show. It wasn't that I couldn't see his skin
color, I just didn't notice it enough for it to have made a difference for
me to say "BLACK ACTOR" I only saw the man.
Talk about the color blindness of youth.
If we are going to continue this silly thread ... why not wonder why most
of the visible rebels were human ?
Laura
Greg
Jacques Laverdure <sky...@odyssee.net> wrote:
>
>There is some black actors in Bespin background and I think one of Calrissian
>personnal guard is black.
>
Yes, I have the action figure. Lando's guard is black.
So what's the count at? 5? 6 blacks in all of Star Wars?
You know there is only one wookie? Only one ithorian?
Man doesn't this just piss you off?
Greg :P
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Greg
d...@phoenix.usahn.com (Dan Wendt) wrote:
>>There is some black actors in Bespin background and I think one of Calrissian
>>personnal guard is black.
>>
Hey! Don't forget about the TIE Fighter pilots. I think they are black
too.
Also Darth Vader, and he's like a main character.
Jeff
On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 02:19:13 GMT, fux...@hotmail.com (Frantisek Fuka)
wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Feb 1997 00:23:42 -0800, Defender
><defe...@frontiercomm.net> wrote:
>
>>Excluding Lando, is that Black pilot in ROTJ that says, "SHE'S
>>GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
>>member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
>>this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
>>when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>
>I don't remember any black person in Star Wars. In fact, if I remember
>correctly, Star Wars take place "A long time age in a galaxy far, far
>away...", so there are not any PERSONS appearing in it. Only aliens.
>-------------------------------------------------
> Frantisek Fuka
> http://www.mamedia.cz/ff/
3PO calls Han, Luke, and Leia humans. So they probably are humans
unless 3PO is mistaken or lying.
Laura Marland
Jeff <mack...@southeast.net> wrote in article
<3300e9c3...@207.98.192.84>...
> 3PO calls Han, Luke, and Leia humans. So they probably are humans
> unless 3PO is mistaken or lying.
Han tells Jabba he's human too ... could be a generic "person" type of
comment
Pablo and Julie Hidalgo
Defender wrote:
>
> tn...@gate.net wrote:
> >
> > jo...@erewhon.com (Jonas Grumby) wrote:
> > >I never noticed the black extras in the new Mos Eisley scenes!!
> > >But thanks for pointing that out. I guess if you're going to knuckle
> > >under to political correctness and have Han shoot Greedo in self-defense
> > >rather than in cold blood (as he did originally), then you might as
> > >well try to right another wrong by putting minorities in Star Wars:
> > >years ago for taking place in a "white galaxy", but what's
> > >done is done. Seems to be "too little too late" to put black
> > >extras in a re-release 20 years later.
> > >
> > Seems to me that it is never to late.at least they let thier concince
> > guide them and tried to do the right thing.
> > Question,is a racist still a racist if he(or)she tries to rectify the
> > situation?
>
> others or to please himself. Many movies have a token black, not
> because they want to, but because others do. That's just the way
> it is.
>
> -Defender of the Faith
>> Not to excuse the above exclusions, though you must remember that
> a lot of you are looking at Star Wars through a North American
> demographic skew, and not through the British production angle under
> which it was produced. (Then again, where are all the Tunisian
> Rebels?) Jedi, which was largely produced in the States features more
> of a "melting pot." And, for everything that Lucas can be accused of
> in terms of exclusions, let's not forget what he did for little > people. ("I'd like to thank all the little people...")
> - Pablo Hidalgo
Jamie Lannoo
Why was it mentioned that
> there are few blacks in SW when other races seemed to be totally ignored?
>
First I doubt Lucas intended to represent every race in the
world or even the U.S.
Second there are a few asians in the films, a pilot and Oola
(if thats how you spell her name) come to mind.
Also the second Oola type charecter in ROTJ SE is asian too.
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"Laura Marland" <laur...@flash.net> wrote:
>
>I was seven when Star Wars came out in '77 so I was about 10 for ESB. I
>never realized that Lando was black until about 6 or 7 years later when I
>saw him on a black awards show. It wasn't that I couldn't see his skin
>color, I just didn't notice it enough for it to have made a difference for
>me to say "BLACK ACTOR" I only saw the man.
>
>Laura
>
I feal tears forming at my eyes.
GEEZ!
Skynxnex 2
Rich Handley
Heh heh heh...
Well, sort of...
I mean, his suit is black, yes... and the voice of the actor is
Black, sure... but the actor in the suit, the actor playing Anakin,
and the character himself are all White.
nic
Maybe Hollywood is racist?
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Gray Leader
>There's an Asian guy who dies in the DS II battle also.
I never knew that guy was Asian. In fact, I always thought it was
Gray Leader himself.
Gray Leader, standing by.
Jeff Pace
There weren't any black OR white people in north america about 500 years
ago, just native americans..
Although IMHO I think that any race to live in a place like tattooine for
generations would have VERY dark skin.
Jeff Pace
Kevin Wagner
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>The immortal kaw...@psu.edu (Kevin Wagner) wrote:
>>remember, this happened a long time ago, so I would have to say that it all
>>happened before the flood which caused the different races.
>Huh?
>Later!
> Rich Handley (Card...@unix.asb.com)
>Visit "The Exhaustive Guide to Star Wars Comics"
> at http://www.asb.com/usr/cardsafe/intro.htm
um, there was like this storm that raged for 40 days/nights. Luckily, a large
vessel had been constructed that was the ultimate power in the universe.
After all the water went away, the vessel crashed on a mount and the people
inside came out and began bickering and they spread out to all of the lands
and took on different races. THIS happened not so long ago. Way after even
the second Death Star blew up. So, before that there must not have been any
other raCE EXCEPT WASPS. I guess. The few blacks must have been from
different species that were similar to humans.
When did I become immortal?
Frantisek Fuka
On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:51:55 GMT, mack...@southeast.net (Jeff) wrote:
>>I don't remember any black person in Star Wars. In fact, if I remember
>>correctly, Star Wars take place "A long time age in a galaxy far, far
>>away...", so there are not any PERSONS appearing in it. Only aliens.
>>-------------------------------------------------
>> Frantisek Fuka
>> http://www.mamedia.cz/ff/
>
>3PO calls Han, Luke, and Leia humans. So they probably are humans
>unless 3PO is mistaken or lying.
This is probably the case of translation. Being aliens from "galaxy
far far away", nobody from Star Wars couldn't possibly speak English.
So, when the movie was dubbed for it's 1977 Earth release, the name of
the original name of Han's race was probably translated as "Human",
because his resemblance to humans in our galaxy is really amazing.
Trust me, I translate movies. :)
On a slightly different note: I'm now working on the Czech subtitles
for SWSE and the dialogue list I received from Fox is really bad.
Among other things "Alderaan" is spelled "Alderain", "parsec" is
spelled "persec" (and a special note explains that it's a measure of
time) and during the final Death Star attack, when Obi Wan's voice
says "Let go", the dialogue list says "Let's go"!
Travis Prebble
Jeff Pace <pa...@sprynet.com> wrote in article
<01bc1906$3752c240$c684aec7@jeffpace>...
"But I was going to Tosche station to pick up some SPF 50!"
-- Trav
Matt Stevens
Bryan Cain wrote:
>
> I cant testify to the truth of this statement, but when i say david
> prowse at a convention, he was talking about why they had james earl
> jones do darth's voice. According to him, the only reason was because
> in ANH, there were no black people in any part of the movie, so they put
> Jones in to appease american audiences. like i said, i cant testify to
> the validity of this, but he did say it.
If indeed this was the rationale, it failed miserably. To this day, I
come across casual fans of both Star Wars and James Earl Jones who never
matched the voice with the face, and are surprised to hear he did the
voice-over. In fact, when I was a kid, I first learned about Jones
through his connection with Star Wars, and was surprised to find out he
was black. His voice--especially his Vader voice--contains no trace of
the Southern or African inflections that are retained by many
African-Americans.
It's a credit to Jones' characterization that his personality is
submerged by Vader's cold, evil soul. You don't hear "James Earl Jones
As Darth Vader." You only hear Darth Vader--and you feel a chill.
Sincerely,
Matt Stevens
no...@inlink.com
Matt Stevens
Defender wrote:
>
> This sounds like a dumb question, but here goes.:
>
> GONNA BLOW!" (soon after he blow's) the only visable black
> member of the Rebel Alliance in all three movies? I've wondered
> this for quite some time now and cannot think of another instance
> when a black person is shown. Can anyone else remember a time?
>
I've thought about that, too, and you're right. As a general rule, the
Alliance gets more representative in each successive movie.
ANH--All white men, except for Leia. And Aunt Beru, who probably knew
that she was hiding one of the last Jedi candidates from the Empire, and
was executed by stormtroopers. For that matter, no alien Rebels other
than Chewie.
TESB--Lando, plus at least one female controller on Hoth, also white.
(To be fair on the race issue, the outdoor Hoth sequences were shot in
Norway, of necessity with Norwegian extras.) Again, no alien Rebels
other than the Walking Carpet.
ROTJ--Mon Mothma, black guy ("She's gonna blow!"), Asian guy ("There's
too many of them!"), female techs in Home One hangar and I think even
one female commando other than Leia (glimpsed _very_ briefly in the
hangar). Big minus: Nien Numb, the worst Asian stereotype this side of
Fu Manchu. Finally we get alien Rebels, in the form of Numb and the Mon
Calimari.
Every single Imperial is a white male. In light of the relative
inclusiveness of ROTJ, you have to conclude that this was a deliberate
choice by the third film. In fact, the novels state that it was
Imperial policy to exclude nonwhites, aliens and women from the
military. Although the novelists have been known to be apologists for
inconsistencies in Star Wars, in this case I think they are right.
Bottom line: Most science fiction of the era, from "Battlestar
Galactica" and "Alien" to "V," was miles ahead of the Star Wars trilogy
in its vision of a diverse society--and its reflection of the audience
for the fiction of today.
Sincerely,
Matt Stevens
no...@inlink.com
P.S.--I'm a white guy myself, so no flames about me being overly bitter
due to my race.
Matt Stevens
O.J. Habraeken wrote:
>
> Eugene Freedman wrote:
> >
> >
> > At that time, as now I believe, no Earth army allowed women in combat.
> > This is similar within the rebel alliance. There are a few women in
> > leadership positions, however. Leia is the most prominent, but Mon
> > Mothma seems to be the overall political leader of the rebellion.
> > --
> What about :"attention Ion canon!" I guess that's not a leadership
> position.
>
In the '70s, the Israelis did have women in combat roles. So did the
Sandinistas. And the Cuban reserves had female combattants, I think.
As I say in another post in this thread, by the time ROTJ rolls around,
we see female techs (hangar deck of Home One), and possibly a female
commando other than Leia (again in the hangar). And, don't forget Aunt
Beru, who probably knew that she was hiding one of the last potential
Jedi, and who was executed as a result.
Sincerely,
Matt Stevens
no...@inlink.com
Matt Stevens
«§þ!ññ£R» wrote:
>
> Actually it WAS modeled after the British Empire. Get your facts straight.
> It has nothing to do with the accents. This was even stated by Lucas
> himself. The entire point of both the Nazi government and the British
> Empire was to get control over all the land in the world in one way or the
> other. Britain was more successful which also resulted in the saying "The
> sun never sets in the British Empire." Also, if you really think your idea
> of uniforms is valid just note how proper the British army is with their
> unis. They, like all armed forces are very prim and proper when it comes
> to dress up uniforms.
>
[snip]
> > The Empire WAS styled after the Nazis of World War II. Just look at
> > the uniforms. The grey and black color, the hats, the pants, are all
> > very similar or identical to those used by the Nazis.
[snip]
> >
> > Justin Dagna
> > aka Emperor Lucius Sheffaro of the Star Wars Sim
> > http://www.calpoly.edu/~jdagna/swsim.html
> >
Stylistically, Imperial regalia owes a great deal to Nazi-era German
uniforms. The resemblance is particularly striking in the shot in ANH
where Tarkin is gazing at Alderaan. He is viewed from the rear, and the
profile is precisely that of a World War II officer. Baggy pants
stuffed into slim boots, tailored tunic. It's fascinating to see that
archetype transplanted to this great space station--now with whole
worlds to conquer or destroy. I view it as an essential definition of
Tarkin's personality, and that of the military machine that he, Vader
and the Emperor have used to engineer their coup d'etat.
The resemblance between the stormtrooper helmet and German infantry
helmets becomes evident in Ralph McQuarrie's conceptual sketches. The
final product is a bit more bulbous, but in the semi-final concepts, you
see the provenance quite clearly. It is natural that McQuarrie would
draw upon such sources to depict evil, since he began his career as a
combat illustrator for the U.S. Army during World War II.
As to the accents, I agree that there is no general scheme. You saw
the beginnings of one during TESB, where the officers generally were
British, but it's undermined in the other two films. Americans and
British mingle throughout. (Now, there aren't many Southern-accented
American Imperials--I can count only two in the entire series. And
there are no Northeasterners. I'd be interested to hear how the British
accents shake out on a regional basis.)
Sincerely,
Matt Stevens
no...@inlink.com
Marcus Sjöberg
Gray Leader wrote:
> =
> >There's an Asian guy who dies in the DS II battle also.
> =
> I never knew that guy was Asian. In fact, I always thought it was
> Gray Leader himself.
> =
> Gray Leader, standing by.
I may only be rambling but isn't it Gold leader?
-- =
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M.Sc student in computer science and engineering.
Department of Computer Science and Electrical Engineering.
Lule=E5 Technical University, Sweden
Simon
I'd be interested to hear how the British
> accents shake out on a regional basis.)
>
> Sincerely,
> Matt Stevens
> no...@inlink.com
The Brit accents are all classicaly trained shakesperian ones.
Unsuprising as Guinnes and Cushing are from that type of school.
Also the guy who played Admiral Ozzel was the same bloke who was in
Grange Hill as Mr Bronson, and he was more scary.
Cheers
Simon
Eugene Freedman
> Jeff Pace <pa...@sprynet.com> wrote in article
> <01bc1906$3752c240$c684aec7@jeffpace>...
> >
> > There weren't any black OR white people in north america about 500 years
> > ago, just native americans..
Of the four human races Native Indians qualify as Mongoloid (commonly
considered Asian). Indians from the sub-continent are Caucasian
(commonly considered white) for those who don't know. The other two
races are Negro and one which I cannot think of the technical term of
which the North African Bushmen and are of.
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*********************
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When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.
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Nealy
And, don't forget Aunt
> Beru, who probably knew that she was hiding one of the last potential
> Jedi, and who was executed as a result.
>
>
That isn't why she was killed. It was 'cause of R2, and 3PO.
Neal Johnson
ne...@mail.bbsnet.com
HHC
In article <3302E6...@inlink.com>, no...@inlink.com wrote:
>
> Stylistically, Imperial regalia owes a great deal to Nazi-era German
> uniforms. The resemblance is particularly striking in the shot in ANH
> where Tarkin is gazing at Alderaan. He is viewed from the rear, and the
> profile is precisely that of a World War II officer. Baggy pants
> stuffed into slim boots, tailored tunic. It's fascinating to see that
> archetype transplanted to this great space station--now with whole
> worlds to conquer or destroy. I view it as an essential definition of
> Tarkin's personality, and that of the military machine that he, Vader
> and the Emperor have used to engineer their coup d'etat.
those nazy pants are tailored into that shape, not baggy pants
stuffed into slim boots. infact, nazy are not only group of people
to ware such styled pants, even some US army wore those type of pants
before and during WWII along with many other uniformed service men
all over the world.
If anybody know the proper term for those styles of pants, please
let me know.
Robb Bresciani
On 11 Feb 1997 13:38:02 -0700, d...@phoenix.usahn.com (Dan Wendt) wrote:
>On 9 Feb 1997 23:21:30 GMT, Jacques Laverdure <sky...@odyssee.net>
>wrote:
>
>>John Minor <Emper...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Karen D. Alfrey wrote:
>> I can't remember any black members of the Rebel Alliance, either, and
>>> > in fact, the only black actors I can think of who were associated with
>>> > the trilogy besides the two you mentioned are Femi Taylor (who played
>>> > Oola, the dancer in Jabba's palace) and, of course, James Earl Jones.
>>> >
>>> > -k
>>>
>>> Mos Eisley spaceport contains a black extra walking in the background.
>>
>>
>>There is some black actors in Bespin background and I think one of Calrissian
>>personnal guard is black.
>>
>How about Lando, himself. (Or is that too obvious?)
I also remember one of the A-Wing pilots in ROTJ as a black man... It only
flashed on him for a second, but he was there...
Robb
Jeff Peters
Rich Handley (Card...@unix.asb.com) wrote:
: Heh heh heh...
: Well, sort of...
: I mean, his suit is black, yes... and the voice of the actor is
: Black, sure... but the actor in the suit, the actor playing Anakin,
: and the character himself are all White.
Well, maybe just pasty from being in that suit for so many years...
: Later!
Dark Jedi Maximi
On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:24:21 -0500, the ever-squeezable Eugene
Freedman <scu...@erols.com> sneezed the following:
>> Jeff Pace <pa...@sprynet.com> wrote in article
>> <01bc1906$3752c240$c684aec7@jeffpace>...
>> >
>> > There weren't any black OR white people in north america about 500 years
>> > ago, just native americans..
>
>Of the four human races Native Indians qualify as Mongoloid (commonly
>considered Asian). Indians from the sub-continent are Caucasian
>(commonly considered white) for those who don't know. The other two
>races are Negro and one which I cannot think of the technical term of
>which the North African Bushmen and are of.
>--
>
I think the four types are:
Mongoloid
Negroid
Caucasian
Aborigine
I'm not sure though...
Dark Jedi Maximi
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On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:41:18, the ever-squeezable kaw...@psu.edu
(Kevin Wagner) sneezed the following:
>In article <E5Dn4...@nonexistent.com> Card...@unix.asb.com (Rich Handley) writes:
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>>From: Card...@unix.asb.com (Rich Handley)
>>Subject: Re: Black Rebels?
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>
>>The immortal kaw...@psu.edu (Kevin Wagner) wrote:
>>>remember, this happened a long time ago, so I would have to say that it all
>>>happened before the flood which caused the different races.
>
>
>>Huh?
>
>
>
>
>>Later!
>
>> Rich Handley (Card...@unix.asb.com)
>>Visit "The Exhaustive Guide to Star Wars Comics"
>> at http://www.asb.com/usr/cardsafe/intro.htm
>
>um, there was like this storm that raged for 40 days/nights. Luckily, a large
>vessel had been constructed that was the ultimate power in the universe.
>After all the water went away, the vessel crashed on a mount and the people
>inside came out and began bickering and they spread out to all of the lands
>and took on different races. THIS happened not so long ago. Way after even
>the second Death Star blew up. So, before that there must not have been any
>other raCE EXCEPT WASPS. I guess. The few blacks must have been from
>different species that were similar to humans.
>
>When did I become immortal?
>
>
>
Huh?
Umm... we are talking about a universe, here. With multiple planets.
What's a space flood?
Patrick H.
On 12 Feb 1997, Jeff Pace wrote:
>
> There weren't any black OR white people in north america about 500 years
> ago, just native americans..
>
> Although IMHO I think that any race to live in a place like tattooine for
> generations would have VERY dark skin.
>
> Jeff Pace
>
Maybe the natives of Tattooine were only the jawas and sand people. The
white people, one black man, and the aliens came later.
Patrick H.
prha...@uiuc.edu
Life Sciences
Dark Lord Karno Dal
> > There weren't any black OR white people in north america about 500 years
> > ago, just native americans..
Actually, the "Native" Americans weren't here either until they migrated
across the Bearing Strait land bridge.
Thanx,
Chris Layne
si...@lords.com
"Bring 'em on!! I'd prefer a straight fight to all this sneakin' around."
-Han Solo from ANH-
Steve Almond
>> Question,is a racist still a racist if he(or)she tries to rectify the
>> situation?
Hmmm. Don't know.
But who is more the racist. The racist or the racist who
discriminates against the racist?
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Rich Handley
The immortal lone...@ziplink.net (Dark Jedi Maximi) wrote:
>Huh?
>Umm... we are talking about a universe, here. With multiple planets.
>What's a space flood?
LOL!!! Yep, that's exactly what I meant when I wrote "Huh?"
Gray Leader
Marcus =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sj=F6berg?= <mars...@student.luth.se> wrote:
>Gray Leader wrote:
>> =
>> >There's an Asian guy who dies in the DS II battle also.
>> =
>> I never knew that guy was Asian. In fact, I always thought it was
>> Gray Leader himself.
>> =
>> Gray Leader, standing by.
>I may only be rambling but isn't it Gold leader?
No. Lando is Gold Leader. But that's okay, rambling is encouraged
here.
Gray Leader, standing by.
(I *know* my own name!)
The Dirty Vicar
In article <01bc1579$4efc1260$0ece...@Starlink.txk.com>, "«§þ!ññ£R»"
<spi...@slinknet.com> wrote:
> Actually it WAS modeled after the British Empire. Get your facts straight.
> It has nothing to do with the accents. This was even stated by Lucas
> himself. The entire point of both the Nazi government and the British
> Empire was to get control over all the land in the world in one way or the
> other. Britain was more successful which also resulted in the saying "The
> sun never sets in the British Empire." Also, if you really think your idea
> of uniforms is valid just note how proper the British army is with their
> unis. They, like all armed forces are very prim and proper when it comes
> to dress up uniforms.
>
I think you are wrong, the Imperials definitely look "Nazi". The cut of
the jackets, the soft caps worn by the officers talking to Vader in the
Rebel Blockade runner (Stormtrooper officers sans bodyarmor), the baggy
riding britches and knee boots...Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. There's even that guy
who does a very Prussian heel click when bowing to Vader and Tarkin, after
reporting 'Our scouts have reached Dantooine"...
fanny
I HATE YOU ALL, PLEASE DIE
THANK YOU, FOR YOUR TIME.
FANNY
Gray Leader
Eugene Freedman <scu...@erols.com> wrote:
>> Jeff Pace <pa...@sprynet.com> wrote in article
>> <01bc1906$3752c240$c684aec7@jeffpace>...
>> >
>> > There weren't any black OR white people in north america about 500 years
>> > ago, just native americans..
>Of the four human races Native Indians qualify as Mongoloid (commonly
>considered Asian). Indians from the sub-continent are Caucasian
>(commonly considered white) for those who don't know. The other two
>races are Negro and one which I cannot think of the technical term of
>which the North African Bushmen and are of.
>--
>love, scurvy
> *********************
>We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete.
>When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.
> (-o-) RASSM (-o-)
Isn't a mongoloid a person with cerebral palsy or something? Unless
you mean someone from Mongolia.
Gray Leader, standing by.
John P Darcy
Rich Handley <Card...@unix.asb.com> wrote
> I mean, his suit is black, yes... and the voice of the actor is
> Black, sure... but the actor in the suit, the actor playing Anakin,
> and the character himself are all White.
Question: Why do the adjectives "black" and "white" need to be
capitalised? I mean, with a capital letter? We use capital letters on
such things as nationalities - I am Australian, most of the extras in Star
Wars are English, etc - but if we are to truly move into a universe free of
racial barriers, we must stop categorising people's skin tones in that way.
---- from
John P Darcy, Guardian of the Egyptian God of Frustration
"I'm sorry, I think we're just out of Waldorfs."
Visit http://www.nlc.net.au/~fsf/bobw/ and then come to Sydney in June!
Steven Roth
In article <hhc3d-13029...@s249-181.resnet.ucla.edu>,
hh...@ucla.edu (HHC) wrote:
>those nazy pants are tailored into that shape, not baggy pants
>stuffed into slim boots. infact, nazy are not only group of people
>to ware such styled pants, even some US army wore those type of pants
>before and during WWII along with many other uniformed service men
>all over the world.
>
>If anybody know the proper term for those styles of pants, please
>let me know.
Nazi...not 'nazy.'
If the Imperial outfits aren't a direct rip-off of Nazi WWII outfits, then
I've got the ears of a Gundaark.
--
Steven Roth
sr...@netrover.com
Unregistered User
In the Star Wars CD-ROM game Rebel Assualt II, one or two of the extras
in the end scene are black (or have very dark skin).
In article <3300d8ca...@news.primenet.com>, d...@phoenix.usahn.com
Sofia Hoglund
>
> I also remember one of the A-Wing pilots in ROTJ as a black man... It only
> flashed on him for a second, but he was there...
>
> Robb
>
Yup, the "She's gonna blow!" pilot. :)
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Steven,
> If the Imperial outfits aren't a direct rip-off of Nazi WWII outfits, then
> I've got the ears of a Gundaark.
Your ears are quite normal for a humanoid, I guess. The most striking
similarities to Nazi uniforms are the caps and the waisted tunics with
the leather beltwork ("Koppel", in German). Add the boots, and it's
perfect.
Cheers,
Felix.
Pablo and Julie Hidalgo
>>Actually, if you look very carefully during the awards ceremony in ANH, there is another white female Rebel officer. I think she's the ones who gives the medals to Dodonna. She's on the screen-right side on widescreen versions. Not that this improves the situation.
>> Pablo Hidalgo
Michael Rush
HHC <hh...@ucla.edu> writes
>If anybody know the proper term for those styles of pants, please
>let me know.
'Jodhpurs', surely?
--
E N D O F L I N E
Mike
Michael Rush
Gray Leader <star...@ally.ios.com> writes
>Isn't a mongoloid a person with cerebral palsy or something?
No no no! Down's Syndrome gives sufferers a certain appearance which can
resemble that race... hence it used to be referred to as 'mongolism'.
A few years ago there was a big effort to stop this term being used as
it's considered offensive.
Give yourself a slap on the wrist. ;)
John
Defender <defe...@frontiercomm.net> wrote in article
<32FEDB...@frontiercomm.net>...
> tn...@gate.net wrote:
> > [snip]
> > >I guess if you're going to knuckle under to political correctness and
> > >have Han shoot Greedo in self-defense rather than in cold blood (as he
> > >did originally)...
Uh, sorry to interrupt, but the scene in the special edition *is* pretty
close to how I remember the scene from the book....
jfh
kh
In article <32FBC2...@earthlink.net>, Emperor Sheffaro
<jda...@earthlink.net> writes
>«§þ!ññ£R» wrote:
>>
>> Actually it WAS modeled after the British Empire. Get your facts straight.
Big Snip
Hi
I'm British, and as far as oppresive rule is concerned, the only
difference between the tories we are stuck with, and the Star Wars
empire is that at least the Emperor had charisma, whereas we've got
Major and a bunch of Hooray Henries running the country at the moment.
Oh, how I wish *we* had a Rebel Alliance!!
--
kh
JEREMIAH JENNINGS
The lack of black people in Star Wars bothers me about as much as
the lack of white people in "The Cosby Show" or "Fresh Prince." Sure,
you can generate racial tension over these things, but is it really
necessary?
Starkalien
How about instead of paying attention to the color of actors skin in the
movies and instead look at the fact that the heroes (the rebels of
course) were fighting against the big bad Imperial Dictator who (as has
been stated many times throughout the many novels) refused to allow all
but a very few non-male/non-humans within his regime. Wookies were
slaves, females were concubines for the Emporer and all his cronies, and
even The Brilliant Rebel Tactician Admiral Ackbar got much of his
tactical insight while perferming his duties as personal scut-boy slave
to Grand Moff Tarkin.
Look instead to what the writers and creators are saying instead of the
skin colors of actors portraying characters within the SW Universe.
Its true, political correctness was unheard of in 70's England, I
imagine even had Lucas wanted to cover all his bases by getting a mixed
bag of ethnicities he would have had to put in an inordinate amount of
time finding actors good enough to fulfill their roles.
Picking nits is an incredible waste of time.
Starkalien
Charles W. Weber
- I think there's one very important fact that is getting forgotten here, and accually a lot in this world to. The word minoritie, kind of means that there are less of that type of people around, Black, Asian, Wookie, Rodain (Greedo), etc.How many other Wookies have you seen walking around? Also the Empire has enslaved most everyone that doesn't go along with thier norms. Let's remeber also any clips of people walking around, they were shot 20 years ago. Someone didn't shoot them yesterday to appese civil rights groups. Jabba has a new scene, but you know the 'Hutts', are rare, better appese thier group. Come on.
Charles W. Weber
- Remember the Sand People, they are native to Tattooine, who knows they may be Arabic or of a Native American type decent maybe?
Charles W. Weber
- >I never noticed the black extras in the new Mos Eisley scenes!! >But thanks for pointing that out. I guess if you're going to knuckle >under to political correctness and have Han shoot Greedo in self-defense >rather than in cold blood (as he did originally), then you might as >well try to right another wrong by putting minorities in Star Wars: >A New Hope. Don't get me wrong, here -- SW took some flak 20 >years ago for taking place in a "white galaxy", but what's >done is done. Seems to be "too little too late" to put black >extras in a re-release 20 years later. > Seems to me that it is never to late.at least they let thier concince guide them and tried to do the right thing. Question,is a racist still a racist if he(or)she tries to rectify the situation?
- Dragon Rider
- I just love to sit back and watch people call others racists, it's so normal these days. I have a question, does it really matter if Han shot him in self defense or not? The way I see it, in the origional flick, greedo does point his weapon at him threatiningly, and he is a bounty hunter. Lets also keep it in mind that Greedo's race is known for being hostile and bringing harm to people for the hell of it. I say that it was in self defense BOTH times. Oh and unless you know a person, you shouldn't even hint at them being a racist. I mean think about it there are so many races in Star Wars, it's kind of hard to differientate between subraces in that race. Why don't we toss in a northern climate blue Walrusman, a few other races, what the hell toss in a few HUMANS to. When we have to start staring at the film to spot a human, that's when I'll complain.
Gregg Bragg
jenn...@condor.stcloud.msus.edu (JEREMIAH JENNINGS) wrote:
THANK YOU!!! Someone who doesn't get all bent out of shape about this. :)
The movie is 20 years old, things were different back then. Does it make the
movie any less exciting, or enjoyable? I don't think so. But hey, that's just
me. :)
Kris
In article <01bc1acf$4bee6b80$688518cb@narelle>,
"John P Darcy" <da...@nlc.net.au> says:
>Rich Handley <Card...@unix.asb.com> wrote
>
>> I mean, his suit is black, yes... and the voice of the actor is
>> Black, sure... but the actor in the suit, the actor playing Anakin,
>> and the character himself are all White.
>
>Question: Why do the adjectives "black" and "white" need to be
>capitalised? I mean, with a capital letter?
white = a colour
White = a White
black = a colour
Black = a Black
It's not as if Rich was using the terms "nigger" and "ubermensch".
We use capital letters on
>such things as nationalities - I am Australian, most of the extras in Star
>Wars are English, etc
Thanks for telling us, moron. But why do you capitalise such things
like nationality when you think it's wrong to capitalise race?
BTW, most of the extras in star wars are British, not English.
- but if we are to truly move into a universe free of
>racial barriers, we must stop categorising people's skin tones in that way.
"Racial barriers", huh? What about all the national barriers? One of
the very aspects of ignorance, that govt's and the media have used
(and use) to mislead countries into wars throughout history,
including WW1 & 2.
Ya know what? Racial barriers are actually perfectly normal. I mean,
Blacks, Browns or whatever and Whites are very different races. Each
race has it's own *typical* looks, attitudes, viewpoints, lifestyles,
culture etc. etc. It was always like that, coz God made it that way.
You, your fellow fascists and your beloved fascist governments, keep on
ignoring all this, which is creating quite a tension amongst the
different races in all Western countries. It fuels racial hate on
both sides of the "fence".
Just obvious facts IMO.
-kris
Al
Matt Stevens
Nealy wrote:
>
> And, don't forget Aunt
> > Beru, who probably knew that she was hiding one of the last potential
> > Jedi, and who was executed as a result.
> >
> >
>
> That isn't why she was killed. It was 'cause of R2, and 3PO.
>
> Neal Johnson
> ne...@mail.bbsnet.com
True, but I had a more indirect chain of causation in mind--one which I
probably should have explained.
First of all, we have several hints that Owen and Beru knew the secret
of Luke's true parentage. When Beru says, "He has too much of his
father in him," Owen says, "That's what I'm afraid of." Second, Owen is
too quick to steer Luke away from the subject of Kenobi. Apparently
Luke had heard about Kenobi in the present tense, yet Owen quickly (and
gruffly) claims that he had died a good fifteen years before. Another
hint that Owen is lying, apart from his demeanor, is the fact that
Kenobi seems to have been visiting Owen, since he knows Owen's views
about leaving Tattooine and instantly recognizes Luke. (If this is
true, then Kenobi must trust Owen and Beru implicitly. He is a fugitive
from the Empire, which has gone to great lengths to kill him and his
comrades. Such a man would pick his associates very carefully.)
Finally, Owen is desperate to keep Luke out of the war until he grows
older. Normal parental concern and narrowminded concern for the family
business could also lead to such a view--but in light of the other facts
that we have discussed, it becomes part of a pattern: the protection of
the son of Anakin Skywalker from the Empire and the dark side of the
Force.
The bottom line: I think Owen and Beru were agents of the Old Republic
and the Rebellion. Not necessarily former spies or anything--but they
were key parts of the apparatus, and they knew it.
This brings us to the death of Beru and Owen. If they had been
ordinary moisture farmers, you'd better believe they would have
cooperated with the Imperial stormtroopers. They'd have been fearful
for their lives. The fact is, however, that they gave the Empire
nothing. (By the time Luke, Ben and the droids reached Mos Eisley, the
Imperials were reduced to running a broad dragnet, setting up
checkpoints on the streets.) Why would they have sacrificed themselves
for the sake of two crappy secondhand droids? Precisely because the
Empire was so desperate to have them. Normal people would have bent
before the Empire's fervor; Rebels would have surmised that anything the
Empire wanted that badly automatically had to stay out of its hands.
So they stonewalled. And they died for their obstinacy. That is the
reasoning behind my statement that Beru died in the line of her duty to
protect Luke.
Sincerely,
Matt Stevens
no...@inlink.com
John J. Martin
Can't we all just get along? I think part of the reason so few rebels
are of another race is that they were probably just extras from
wherever Lucas was filming as the time (English people-- okay, men--,
Norwegians, Tunisians). I'm a female and I don't mind the lack of
representation in SW. Yes, OVERALL I think that blacks, asians, and
women (of another race) are poorly represented in Hollywood, but SW
was about so much more. Come on-- ALIENS and people from all over an
entire GALAXY *united* for their cause. YOu call that racial tension?