BAD TRADER WARNING: zoman@juno.com
Kirsten Schaulin
Below are all the emails related to a sour deal I made with Steve Comenzo,
zo...@juno.com.
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Hi! Have you had any offers on your Uzay Emperor's Royal Guard yet?
How is
the bubble damaged? Thanks!
-Kirsten
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A few. Nothing confirmed yet. The bubble is great except for a cut out on
the bottom. The card is in excellent shape. Make an offer.
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Hi,
I saw on your latest post that you still have the Uzay Royal Guard, so
I'll
offer you $90 shipped for it. Just let me know if we can work out a
deal!
-Kirsten
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Ok, I can do that. You can send a money order for $90 to:
Steve Comenzo
P.O. Box xxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Send yours and CONFIRM this. Thanks.
----------------
Got the Royal Guard today.
ummmmm...
When I asked you about the condition of it, this is what you said: "The
bubble is great except for a cut out on the bottom. The card is in
excellent shape. Make an offer"
Well, the bubble is so yellowed that it's almost separated completely from
the card, the card has staple holes all over it, and the guard's head isn't
even attached to the body. I'm going to have to ask for my money back.
I'll handle the cost of shipping it back to you. I just want my $90
back.
-Kirsten
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Hmm.... the figure has been sealed for nearly 4 years and was not opened.
I don't give refunds but I can give you your choice from something else:
<sale list snipped>
Let me know so we can take care of this...
---------------
Well, it's still sealed so the description of the condition of the card and
bubble, as well as the head problem, were present before you shipped it.
Either you give me a refund or I'm taking legal action against you.
---------------
I have been dealing on the net for over 4 years and I know how this
works. I am being more than fair in offering something else in return of
the UZAY. I am giving you 7 days from the date of this email to pick
something else of equal value or you will end up with it.
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I know how this works as well, and what you have done is misrepresented a
product you sent to me. I recieved a piece of junk. The only item I wanted
off of your list is the Uzay figure because all I collect are vintage
bootlegs. You did not stipulate that no refunds will be given on any of
your ads or emails, all of which I have kept and printed. I will be
contacting my attorney in Florida this afternoon.
-Kirsten
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Christopher A Maybury
In a previous article, scha...@cinti.net (Kirsten Schaulin) says:
>Below are all the emails related to a sour deal I made with Steve Comenzo,
>zo...@juno.com.
Would this be the same Steve Comenzo of "SirSteve" fame (ie.
www.jedinet.com/sirsteve)?
"zo...@juno.com" wrote:
>I have been dealing on the net for over 4 years and I know how this
>works. I am being more than fair in offering something else in return of
>the UZAY. I am giving you 7 days from the date of this email to pick
>something else of equal value or you will end up with it.
That's complete bullshit, "Zoman". If you sell an item to somebody which
is not in the same condition as you advertise, you are morally and
legally obligated to refund the money. Offering a trade is crap.
I've know Kirsten for quite some time, and can vouch for her integrity
and honesty. Sorry, "Zoman"... you're in the wrong here.
--
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* Chris Maybury The Ohio Star Wars Collecting Club *
* cma...@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.5ss.com/swohio *
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Steve Austin
On 12 Nov 1997 22:11:53 GMT, cma...@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Christopher A
Maybury) wrote:
>I've know Kirsten for quite some time, and can vouch for her integrity
>and honesty. Sorry, "Zoman"... you're in the wrong here.
>
"Cause Maybury said so!"
Go get 'em man.
Justin Greenfield
Gary R. Weaver II wrote:
>
> Kirsten Schaulin wrote:
> >
> > Below are all the emails related to a sour deal I made with Steve Comenzo,
> > zo...@juno.com.
> >
> > I have been dealing on the net for over 4 years and I know how this
> > works. I am being more than fair in offering something else in return of
> > the UZAY. I am giving you 7 days from the date of this email to pick
> > something else of equal value or you will end up with it.
> > I know how this works as well, and what you have done is misrepresented a
> > product you sent to me. I recieved a piece of junk. The only item I wanted
> > off of your list is the Uzay figure because all I collect are vintage
> > bootlegs. You did not stipulate that no refunds will be given on any of
> > your ads or emails, all of which I have kept and printed. I will be
> > contacting my attorney in Florida this afternoon.
> >
>
> a ride. Good luck to you in getting this resolved...
>
> Happy Collecting,
> Gary
I agree. He's definitely in the wrong on this one.
Justin G.
DarthVaydr
No way!
Sir Steve has too good of a reputation for trying to screw someone over! I know
he wouldn't go there.
Scott
John Wooten
So you're saying that it didn't happen?
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Michael Mierzwa
Christopher A Maybury wrote:
> In a previous article, woot...@osu.edu (John Wooten) says:
> I urge everybody to boycot www.jedinet.com/sirsteve until Steve comes
> clean and addresses this problem with Kirsten. I have also removed all
> references to Steve's web site from the rassc.misc FAQ out of protest.
Sounds easy enough. And thanks for the answer! I will not visit
Steve's places nor do buisness with him.
But perhaps you ought to list each of his past email address and
physical mailing addresses (although he'll likely move to a PO Box next
door).
> I really don't
> >think Kirsten is joking about legal action.
>
> No, she's not.
I hope she lets us know the final results of this, because it might act
to deter other scam artists. And the FAQ might add a note to potential
scams along the lines that legal action might be pursued. Just
something basic like that.
Michael Mierzwa
Michael Mierzwa
DarthVaydr wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I put a response in this NG earlier today,defending SirSteve.
> I didn't know SirSteve had 2 e-mail addresses,and was the same guy. I hope you
> get this resolved with your figure. Sorry if I made it look like I was saying
> that I didn't believe you it was him. :-)
Wait, is zoman also SirSteve???
Michael Mierzwa
Michael Mierzwa
Kirsten Schaulin wrote:
> Steve Comenzo
> P.O. Box xxxx
> xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks for the warning. I've been wary of zoman do to the posts he
posts for a while. But in general I don't deal through PO Boxes ...
unless I have very good reason not to worry!
> I know how this works as well, and what you have done is misrepresented a
> product you sent to me. I recieved a piece of junk. The only item I wanted
> off of your list is the Uzay figure because all I collect are vintage
> bootlegs. You did not stipulate that no refunds will be given on any of
> your ads or emails, all of which I have kept and printed. I will be
> contacting my attorney in Florida this afternoon.
>
> -Kirsten
Good luck. If there is anything I can do (I can't imagine what), but I
would. This dealer sounds like he really doesn't have a clue, but I
really don't want him hanging around RASS.*. It is a shame really that
people would do this. Besides if he has been around RASS.* for any
time, he should have know that you know how to deal. :(
Michael Mierzwa
John Wooten
Exactly.
Although I guess it could be two Steve Comenzo's sharing the same PO box.
although...what're the odds?
John
Christopher A Maybury
In a previous article, fcl...@netvigator.com (Fletcher) says:
>I want to clarify this:
>
>Does Zoman (Steve Comenzo) have same P.O. Box as SirSteve?
Yes.
>If yes, they must be same person!
Bingo!
SirSteve
On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:31:07 -0500, Paul Levesque <paul...@map.com>
wrote:
>Michael Mierzwa wrote:
>
>> I hope she lets us know the final results of this, because it might act
>> to deter other scam artists. And the FAQ might add a note to potential
>> scams along the lines that legal action might be pursued. Just
>> something basic like that.
>
>I think that anyone conducting a scam on the Internet goes into the deal
>knowing full well that there is a possibility of legal action. It's
>just like trying to rip people off anywhere -- there's a price to pay
>when yo get caught.
>
>Steve has been doing business on the 'net long enough to know that he's
>not going to get away with misrepresenting merchandise and then refusing
>to take it back. $90 is not worth losing your online reputation,
>especially if you spend so much time trying to sell merchandise.
>
>Paul
WHOAHHH!!! What is this??? First it was me stealing pics now THIS!!??
Come on... I AM NOT THIS ZOMAN! People: Why would I KNOWINGLY RIP
SOMEONE OFF?? Think about it...I am not stupid and I know how all of
this works! Someone is out to get me and is doing quite a job with
this one! Right after this post I am going to get to the bottom of it!
I am not going to let this one go!
SirSteve
SirSteve's Guide To New Kenner Star Wars Toys (SSG)
http://www.jedinet.com/sirsteve
Michael Mierzwa
Paul Levesque wrote:
>
> I think that anyone conducting a scam on the Internet goes into the deal
> knowing full well that there is a possibility of legal action. It's
> just like trying to rip people off anywhere -- there's a price to pay
> when yo get caught.
I quite agree, but the FAQ is there in part to protect us. For example,
if a potential crook sees this in the FAQ, it hopefully will be like the
club sitting on your car. It might send this message, "Go ahead and rip
people off, but beware, we will likely fight back!"
> Steve has been doing business on the 'net long enough to know that he's
> not going to get away with misrepresenting merchandise and then refusing
> to take it back. $90 is not worth losing your online reputation,
> especially if you spend so much time trying to sell merchandise.
Well, if he has been dealing long enough (which he has) he should have
known Kristen. She is not new, and does post often enough that he
should have known. I would then say that no matter what he does, is
reputation is lost in my point of view.
Michael Mierzwa
boycotting Sir Steve and zoman (his rip off name)
Michael Mierzwa
Frabba wrote:
>
> That funny, coz Sirsteve once replied to my email that he does not sell
> anything over the net...Hmmm.
Well like vanheads, he is a liar. Or maybe he thinks that the name
"Sirsteve" is different, but that still makes him a liar.
Michael Mierzwa
boycotting Sir Steve and zoman (his ripp off address)
Paul Levesque
Michael Mierzwa wrote:
> I hope she lets us know the final results of this, because it might act
> to deter other scam artists. And the FAQ might add a note to potential
> scams along the lines that legal action might be pursued. Just
> something basic like that.
I think that anyone conducting a scam on the Internet goes into the deal
knowing full well that there is a possibility of legal action. It's
just like trying to rip people off anywhere -- there's a price to pay
when yo get caught.
Steve has been doing business on the 'net long enough to know that he's
not going to get away with misrepresenting merchandise and then refusing
to take it back. $90 is not worth losing your online reputation,
especially if you spend so much time trying to sell merchandise.
Paul
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Fletcher
I want to clarify this:
Does Zoman (Steve Comenzo) have same P.O. Box as SirSteve?
Frabba
That funny, coz Sirsteve once replied to my email that he does not sell
anything over the net...Hmmm.
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Brizzy, Down Under
Christopher A Maybury
In a previous article, mmie...@ix.netcom.com (Michael Mierzwa) says:
>I quite agree, but the FAQ is there in part to protect us.
The problem is that nobody reads the FAQ :)
I think I will add a section to the FAQ about how to look of people's
history on Dejanews; there was a section about this on the original rassc
FAQ. I wouldn't be too keen on adding a "SirSteve is a thief" section to
the FAQ, for obvious reasons.
Of course, I'm just speaking of the rassc.misc FAQ, but I think Paul
would agree with me.
>Well, if he has been dealing long enough (which he has) he should have
>known Kristen. She is not new, and does post often enough that he
>should have known. I would then say that no matter what he does, is
>reputation is lost in my point of view.
I just received a private e-mail from Kirsten, and I believe this problem
is finally being addressed. It seems Mr. Comenzo has been "caught in the
act" :)
Martin Woodhouse
On 14 Nov 1997 15:38:51 GMT, cma...@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Christopher A
Maybury) wrote:
>
>In a previous article, fcl...@netvigator.com (Fletcher) says:
>
>>I want to clarify this:
>>
>>Does Zoman (Steve Comenzo) have same P.O. Box as SirSteve?
>
>Yes.
>
>>If yes, they must be same person!
>
>Bingo!
>
>--
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>* Chris Maybury The Ohio Star Wars Collecting Club *
>* cma...@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.5ss.com/swohio *
>*****************************************************************************
Chriss Maybury A.K.A Sherlock holmes,
Martin Woodhouse
On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:54:44 GMT, woot...@osu.edu (John Wooten)
wrote:
>In article <64icnq$sul$1...@dove.qut.edu.au>, "Frabba" <ker...@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>>That funny, coz Sirsteve once replied to my email that he does not sell
>>anything over the net...Hmmm.
>
>
>Of course he doesn't. The other Steve Comenzo who uses his PO address does.
>Right Steve?
>
>-->
"People think it must be fun to have genital warts , but they don't
realize how hard it is to put up with all the acid tratments in the
world."--Calvin
>
>The Ohio Star Wars Collector's Club: http://5ss.simplenet.com/swohio
>
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John Wooton A.K.A Pink Panther
Paul Levesque
Christopher A Maybury wrote:
> I think I will add a section to the FAQ about how to look of people's
> history on Dejanews; there was a section about this on the original rassc
> FAQ. I wouldn't be too keen on adding a "SirSteve is a thief" section to
> the FAQ, for obvious reasons.
The Collecting FAQ has a section on Dejanews that explains how to look
up a person's past Usenet history. Remember, there is no set penalty for
conducting a scam on the 'net so there is no standard by which to make
claims in the FAQ. "Only the facts ma'am..."
> >Well, if he has been dealing long enough (which he has) he should have
> >known Kristen. She is not new, and does post often enough that he
> >should have known. I would then say that no matter what he does, is
> >reputation is lost in my point of view.
Kirsten doesn't post that frequently and tends to travel in vintage
circles. Steve generally sells the new stuff so he probably didn't even
recognize the name. Not that it matters any... You can pull a fast one
like this on someone who's been around for years just as easily as you
can a newbie.
John Wooten
>>-->
>"People think it must be fun to have genital warts , but they don't
>realize how hard it is to put up with all the acid tratments in the
>world."--Calvin
>
>John Wooton A.K.A Pink Panther
>
i believe you misspelled Inspector Clouseau
Ron Perovich
Shon A. Congleton <obi...@express-news.net> wrote in article
<346dc8ba...@news.fibr.net>...
>
> I would like to suggest to those that don't have a good news reader
> that does killfiling such as Forte's Agent get a copy. I got Agent
> about a year ago, put Martin and Keith in it right off the bat and
> haven't regretted one minute of it. The site to download it is:
>
> http://sd.znet.com/~lance/
>
> 99% of their posts are now effectively blocked. Your eyes will thank
> you for it.
>
> On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:15:46 GMT, ru...@clara.net
> (Martin 'King of the Trolls' Woodhouse) wrote:
Although I totally agree with your loathing of King Troll I have to ask, if
you've got him on killfile how did you know he posted?
Martin Woodhouse
On 15 Nov 1997 21:58:37 GMT, "Ron Perovich" <rkp...@jove.acs.unt.edu>
wrote:
Shon "The little charmer" used the force.
or considering the amount of trolls he has sent at me ,maybe he is
just a liar.
by the way
Why do pigeons have wings.------------------------------------So they
can beat the wootons to the local trash tip.
marty
Richard Cox
On 15 Nov 1997, Ron Perovich wrote:
> Although I totally agree with your loathing of King Troll I have to ask, if
> you've got him on killfile how did you know he posted?
Probably through someone's reply to one of his trolls.
Richard
John Bartos
Keith A. Schneider wrote in message <64lobm$8...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>...
>If those are *all* your e-mail messages, your legal action may not be
>very effective. There is no standard of grading, and the description
>you gave could certainly describe the same figure that he described
>differently.
>
"The bubble is great except for a cut out on the bottom. The card is in
excellent shape." [SirSteve's description] can no way be used to describe
the same carded figure as "Well, the bubble is so yellowed that it's almost
separated completely from the card, the card has staple holes all over it,
and the guard's head isn't even attached to the body." [Kirsten's
description]
Or are you just trying to stir the pot again?
John, a former lurker who is tired of reading trolls
Michael Mierzwa
Keith A. Schneider wrote:
> What the seller has offered to do--replace the item you purchased with
> something of similar value--is what quite a number of retail
> establishments do. Try to return something to a larger mail-order firm
> and see how far you get. Some of them will let you return the item
> minus some restocking fee. Some don't let you return things at all. It
> is not the seller's fault in this case that you were not aware of his
> return policy. Next time you know to ask.
I think we all know for the next time. However, usually when retailers
don't accept refunds, they state this.
However she did ask about the condition of the figure and he neglect to
mention that its head was NOT attached! That would be like me selling
my car over the internet "ATTN: Working 1967 Mercury Cougar for sale.
289 cu. in. 4-V Holley Carb., automatic transmission, new engine. etc",
only to have you find out that this engine is sitting in my yard under a
tarp! It is misleading and I think most people would think you would
have every right to get your money back.
But the important issue here is how does this effect our community?
First, it shows that zoman _seriously_ under estimated the quality of
his products. (Personally I trust people like you Keith who have high
standards like myself, but once somebody like zoman lies ... I'd rather
wait and do business with somebody else ... it simply is not worth the
risk!) Second, this has been positive in that MANY people are shocked
that a RASSer actually has duel addresses and very different
personalities (although I'm interested to here what the current story
about Steve's cousin is). Third, reading zoman's emails, I don't like
the tone of his posts ... he defended his actions by stating that he had
been around for a while. If his actions were fair, they don't need a
stamp of date approval (hmm this sounds unclear, but I think there are
still some important issues we can discuss and maybe under another
header).
As far as the reason I've posted on Kristen's behalf ... because I
believe her, she has never posting anything that I haven't thought
"Wow! That is cool." In particular, when I think of her, I remember
her requests to customize 12" Leias. (And her sig.)
Frankly, zoman has been scalping figs in the RASSC.misc group for at
least a short while. I believe he recently was scalping Slave Leia for
$15. That is his right, but it also states that he is ready to make a
quick buck ... probabilistically (based on my experiences) that means he
doesn't care about people ... at least not to the degree that Kristen
does. So from my point of view, how else would anyone in my shoes
respond.
NOTE: I think this goes beyond Kristen's bad luck. :( This is an issue
for a collecting news group and community ... which this IS! :) And
this is something that should bring out discussions. People often think
of RASSC.* as a marketplace, but it is not.
I hope you can better understand why I've been posting, while normally I
lurk in RASSC.* at other times! :) [I hoped this would answer your
questions!]
Michael Mierzwa
Ron Peritore
SirSteve wrote:
>
> Well, I have found out what is going on.... First and foremost, my
> last name is NOT Comenzo, you think I would actually give out my REAL
> last name ANYWHERE over the net... I don't think so. I just don't,
> never have - never will. When I started my page 2 years ago I had my
> cousin (Steve COMENZO) that knew more about HTML help me get started.
> We were both into Star Wars and since I was the one that was going to
> maintain it, SSG was born. The page was really intended for me to get
> the knowledge of HTML but the site just took off. Anyway... he was
> into vintage and I was into the new stuff. We have been roommates
> until he moved out this past week and went to school in another city.
> Since being roommates we also had the SAME ADDRESS and he was the one
> that picked up all the mail from the post office. HE is the one that
> made the deal with Kristen. He never thought it would go this far.
> (BTW - He has agreed to refund her money) At the beginning we only had
> one computer in the house. He did his deals (which were all vintage)
> on my PC and used my e-mail for it. I didn't really care because I was
> a nobody and figured it was not a concern. Since, he has gotten his PC
> and used the zo...@juno.com email. We also have the same Internet
> Service Provider. If this does not convince you then pull up old post
> and compare the them; we do not even type the same. You should be
> expecting a post from him sometime tonight. Final words: I am NOT
> zoman and I am not a scalper. It doesn't make sense for me to be a
> scalper and to do what all I have done for the Star Wars world on the
> internet. I maintain my page because I love Star Wars and not for any
> other reason. I could have stopped long ago. I have gone out of my way
> to pick up stuff at COST for people that can not find what they are
> looking for and some of them have posted that. It just does not make
> any sense for me and zoman to be one and the same. It seems like the
> more I do for Star Wars on the net, the more people like to down me.
> Sometimes I ask myself if it is worth it... For those that stood by
> me; I appreciate it. For those that continued to reticule me....
> no comment.
>
> SirSteve
>
> SirSteve's Guide To New Kenner Star Wars Toys (SSG)
> http://www.jedinet.com/sirsteve
Well, here's the big problem SirSteve (or whoever you are). You say
above that Zoman is your cousin or whatever and have a whole story
revolving around that. Well if you're going to stick by this story,
then explain the following comments that you wrote:
> You need to do some more research because I am not this zoman person and I
> have no idea as to what is going on. I have done business with her and
> that's about it. I bought a B-Wing MIB. Please let me know where this has
> originated from so we can clear this up.
>
>
> SirSteve
>
> SirSteve's Guide To New Kenner Star Wars Toys (SSG)
> http://www.jedinet.com/sirsteve
AND
> Yes, a her. I don't know if I still have that mail anymore but I will
> look for it. I told her she can use me as a reference and that was the
> last I have heard until you. What address where you given? Please send me
> ANY INFO you have and how all this started. As for a news server, anyone
> can change that. Just get that info to me so I can get this cleared up. I
> have gotten a few more emails about this person and I do not like it.
>
>
> SirSteve
>
> SirSteve's Guide To New Kenner Star Wars Toys (SSG)
> http://www.jedinet.com/sirsteve
According to these, your cousin is a girl but named Steve! You bought a
B-Wing off him/her and you lived with the person! Your stories do not
match up. You wrote all of the above and they don't fit together. I am
now 100% convinced that you are trying to cover up a bad situation for
yourself. So on top of your duplicity and bad dealer status, you are
now adding lying to your repertoire. You would have been better off
just confessing.
Bottom line is you said that Zoman was both:
1) a girl you bought a B-Wing from
AND
2) your cousin Steve who lived with you
And finally you acted as if you had no idea who Zoman was. Surely you
would have known your cousins email address if he lived with you.
Please feel free to explain these discrepancies. If you can't, then I'm
afraid you're guilty. I doubt you'll even respond.
Ron
Michael Mierzwa
John thanks for reposting this. I think this cuts to chase so to speak,
why people are shocked. A headless figure is horrible (unless you are
that collector who is building an army of zombie SW figures). ;)
But I suspect Keith just missed this. Many of these posts are being
crossposted. For example, the RASSC.misc group seems to not be seeing
everything. And some servers are slow, so I don't think Keith saw the
above. But I would like to see what he and others say about the
headless figure.
Michael Mierzwa
my worst nightmare is getting a carded figure without his head! :(
OK not my worst, but still a very bad image
Martin Woodhouse
I just hope that when it becomes painfully apparent that Sir Steve is
not a scam artist, that all you "respected members" of this group who
slander him look at yourselfs for what you are.
Has anyone noticed that yet again its the same five people attacking
this guy over and over again.The kangaroo court of this group in were
judge Maybury sits along his learned
friends,Wooton,weaver,Levesque,and the one with the wierd polish name.
I think it would be wise for these foolish fellows to reconsider their
judgements,yes over the internet.
troll woodhouse
Vu Nguyen
> I just hope that when it becomes painfully apparent that Sir Steve is
>
> not a scam artist, that all you "respected members" of this group who
> slander him look at yourselfs for what you are.
> Has anyone noticed that yet again its the same five people attacking
> this guy over and over again.
Ever notice that it's your dumbass (and only you) that keeps pointing
out that these 5 people post messages? If you were smart enough (yeah,
right), you could Dejanews and see that there are other people who
voiced their opinion on this thread, too.
> The kangaroo court of this group in were
> judge Maybury sits along his learned
> friends,Wooton,weaver,Levesque,and the one with the wierd polish name.
>
> I think it would be wise for these foolish fellows to reconsider their
>
> judgements,yes over the internet.
I think it would be wise for your foolish self to stop posting for no
other reason than the fact certain members of this group have posted
relevant information for the rest of us.
>
>
> troll woodhouse
So, in closing: there you go again, not adding anything relevant to the
topic at hand. Are you useful for anything? I'm convinced that you
aren't. What did anyone ever do you? Think about it...(although it may
be hard for you to think, since most of us in this newsgroup came to the
conclusion that you are a dumbass a long time ago)
SirSteve
On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:31:00 -0500, Paul Levesque <paul...@map.com>
wrote:
>Christopher A Maybury wrote:
Keith A. Schneider
scha...@cinti.net (Kirsten Schaulin) writes:
>Below are all the emails related to a sour deal I made with Steve Comenzo,
>zo...@juno.com.
If those are *all* your e-mail messages, your legal action may not be
very effective. There is no standard of grading, and the description
you gave could certainly describe the same figure that he described
differently.
I think I'm one of the pickiest figure graders there is. I have a whole
list of "flaws" that other people would not even mention. Is it
possible for someone to describe a card as being in excellent condition
and for that same card to have staple holes in it? I think so. I
certainly wouldn't describe the card as excellent, but you would have to
prove that a reasonable person would not describe it in that manner to
show that the seller committeed some sort of fraud.
This grading issue is a gripe that I have... when I sell figures, I
describe ever single minor flaw. As a result, my figures sell at a
considerable discount to what other figures sell for. I am assuming
that the other figures are in the same condition, just that they are
described only as a "C8" rather than with a list of the flaws. On the
other hand, when I purchase figures, they almost always seem to contain
quite a few minor flaws that the seller has neglected to mention
(perhaps not on purpose--he may just not have seen them as worth
mentioning). Usually it is not worth my time to quibble about these
minor flaws.
Now, given that you were not satisfied with what you received, there is
now a question of what obligation to you the seller has. Does he have
to give you a cash refund? I'm certainly no legal scholar, but you
don't seem to have discussed the return policy in your correspondence,
and as long as you cannot prove that the seller has committed fraud,
which would be very difficult for you to do, I'm not so sure you have
any legal recourse.
What the seller has offered to do--replace the item you purchased with
something of similar value--is what quite a number of retail
establishments do. Try to return something to a larger mail-order firm
and see how far you get. Some of them will let you return the item
minus some restocking fee. Some don't let you return things at all. It
is not the seller's fault in this case that you were not aware of his
return policy. Next time you know to ask.
Also, I find it interesting that a number of people have rushed to your
defense in this far from clear-cut case. In similar situations, such
attackers (of the seller) have been described as "jealous". Now, even
though the seller (perhaps?) has a prominent web page, I'm not so sure
I'd be innane enough to accuse people of being jealous of him or trying
to tear him down. Then again, I've seen these same people jabbing at
him for some time, so you never know.
keith
Eric Sansoni
In article <346d663...@news.clara.net>, ru...@clara.net wrote:
>
>Has anyone noticed that yet again its the same five people attacking
While there are obviously clique(s) of friends on this group who jump to
each other's defense on almost any issue (reducing their individual
credibility in the process, as evidenced by the production of vocal dissent
such as yours to their names in general), that is not enough to assume
such an ideologically collusive group is always necessarily on the wrong
side of an issue. Certainly if one of them was wrongly attacked their
united defense would still be there, but the attack would still be wrong.
Just because earlier wolf cries were false doesn't mean you can assume the
next one isn't true.
-Eric S.
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"John Bartos" <r7...@ix.netcom.comNOSPAM> writes:
>"The bubble is great except for a cut out on the bottom. The card is in
>excellent shape." [SirSteve's description] can no way be used to describe
>the same carded figure as "Well, the bubble is so yellowed that it's almost
>separated completely from the card, the card has staple holes all over it,
>and the guard's head isn't even attached to the body." [Kirsten's
>description]
Well, perhaps I didn't understand what Kirsten meant when she said that
the "bubble is so yellowed that it's almost separated completely from the
card". This quote seemed to be nonsense to me. The yellowness of the
bubble has no connection with its being attached to the card. I can see
a very yellowed bubble as being described in excellent condition.
As far as staple holes in the card, I can still see the card being
described as excellent if it is flat and unfaded, etc. Some people
might think small staple holes are not a major enough flaw to mention.
Again, grading is subjective. I am a particularly picky grader (and
apparently so is Kirsten), but not everyone is this way. Some people's
C9 may be my C7. Is there anything wrong with an "excellent" card? Who
knows. It depends on who is grading.
As fars as the head separation, there was no question about this, and no
answer. Is that something that's important in a sealed figure? (where
was the head, lying in the bottom of the bubble chamber?) I'm not
familiar enough with these Turkish figures to know how well they were
reproduced or what sort of separation we're talking about here. No one
else seems to know in this thread either--they are just assuming the
figure was trash even though there is little information that has been
posted to support this. What Kirsten or I call a trashy figure may well
be perfectly acceptable to other collectors.
Again, if you don't ask specific questions about the figure (and I am
not sure how it was originally advertised), and if you don't agree on
some return policy in advance, you are asking for trouble. This goes
for purchases through both small-time and also well-established dealers.
keith
Route242
Face the fact. You got caught. I don't see why you have to lie and deny the
entire situation. O'It's was my roomate name crap. In the world of internet,
it really easy to get about 2 or more different email accounts. You thought
you could do the Mr Jackass and Mr Hydescapler thing on us, huh. We are not
that stupid. Mr sirsteve, your creditability with the r.a.s.s.c.m and r.t.a.f.
are dead. Even if you give back Kristen's money you are still risk of a bad
trader.
First of all you tried to scam someone and thought you could get away with it.
Thinking you can mantain the nice guy image of your website. I don't think
so. In the world of internet trading, trust is a big factor. I got screw over
one time because the person sent me a very damage box. DO you know why? He
doesn't want it and he tried to get rid of it and I got stuck with it. I
think you are doing the same thing. DOn't do a SY shit on us, we are not
stupid.
I am so glad that I haven't gone to your web. I'll never will either.
bye
242
jason
Dmegle3
Where were you when I was looking for the KB-2pack and
Han/Taun Taun at cost? Oh yeah, selling stuff under your Zoman
identity!!!
From SirSteve:
>... because I love Star Wars and not for any
SirSteve
>John Bartos wrote:
>>
>> Keith A. Schneider wrote in message <64lobm$8...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>...
>> >If those are *all* your e-mail messages, your legal action may not be
>> >very effective. There is no standard of grading, and the description
>> >you gave could certainly describe the same figure that he described
>> >differently.
>> >
>>
>> "The bubble is great except for a cut out on the bottom. The card is in
>> excellent shape." [SirSteve's description] can no way be used to describe
>> the same carded figure as "Well, the bubble is so yellowed that it's almost
>> separated completely from the card, the card has staple holes all over it,
>> and the guard's head isn't even attached to the body." [Kirsten's
>> description]
>>
>> Or are you just trying to stir the pot again?
>
>John thanks for reposting this. I think this cuts to chase so to speak,
>why people are shocked. A headless figure is horrible (unless you are
>that collector who is building an army of zombie SW figures). ;)
>
>But I suspect Keith just missed this. Many of these posts are being
>crossposted. For example, the RASSC.misc group seems to not be seeing
>everything. And some servers are slow, so I don't think Keith saw the
>above. But I would like to see what he and others say about the
>headless figure.
>
>Michael Mierzwa
>my worst nightmare is getting a carded figure without his head! :(
>OK not my worst, but still a very bad image
Why don't you people get off of using my name when that is not even my
post/reply???? ( [SirSteve's description] ) THAT IS NOT MY
DESCRIPTION! I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY DEAL WITH THIS KRISTEN! If
you people are going to post this stuff, why don't you post the ENTIRE
THING WITH HEADERS AND ALL!?
SirSteve
FACT: My last name is not COMENZO (I have plenty of written
documentation to prove this but is not like I am going to post it)
therefore I am not the one that did any deal with Kristen.
SirSteve
On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:05:09 GMT, eas...@psu.edu (Eric Sansoni) wrote:
>In article <346d663...@news.clara.net>, ru...@clara.net wrote:
>>
>>Has anyone noticed that yet again its the same five people attacking
>>this guy over and over again.The kangaroo court of this group
>
>While there are obviously clique(s) of friends on this group who jump to
>each other's defense on almost any issue (reducing their individual
>credibility in the process, as evidenced by the production of vocal dissent
>such as yours to their names in general), that is not enough to assume
>such an ideologically collusive group is always necessarily on the wrong
>side of an issue. Certainly if one of them was wrongly attacked their
>united defense would still be there, but the attack would still be wrong.
>Just because earlier wolf cries were false doesn't mean you can assume the
>next one isn't true.
>
>-Eric S.
GUILTY until proven innocent. Terrible what the net has become. All I
do is try to provide a place where everyone can come and look at all
the new Star Wars toys. That's it.
Michael Mierzwa
SirSteve wrote:
>
> Why don't you people get off of using my name when that is not even my
> post/reply???? ( [SirSteve's description] ) THAT IS NOT MY
> DESCRIPTION! I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY DEAL WITH THIS KRISTEN! If
> you people are going to post this stuff, why don't you post the ENTIRE
> THING WITH HEADERS AND ALL!?
Sorry, but first I do read all the posts ... headers ... etc.
Here is a summary from my POV.
1) Zoman posted a FS post.
2) Kristen responded showing interest.
3) A series of emails (some of which have been posted to the groups)
ensued
and a deal for an "excellent" carded figure was made.
4) Additional email result when Kristen is not pleased and she
describes the figure as having its head broken.
5) Kristen finally posts warning to newsgroup.
6) Group responds about zoman.
7) I begin to read the posts.
8) People begin to have reason to supect that Sir Steve and Zoman are
the same
person.
WHY? Same address, selling the same collectible coin, same first name,
same last name, prior deals with both personalities.
9) I post and ask, and get replies via mail and group that convince me
#8 is
true.
10) I conclude that Sir Steve *is* zoman. Until I find these school
records, I
will continue to think. However, I will not ever deal with a
person, that
is not only afraid to use his real name, but also steals his
family's.
That is just too risky to me.
But in the future I will call the descriptions "Zoman's (believed to be
Sir Steve)".
Michael Mierzwa
Joseph B.
It doesn't amaze me that even when people have something in front of
them word for word they still misread it. Read thinks slowly and think
about it a little.
joe
Ron Peritore wrote:
>
> SirSteve wrote:
> >
> > Well, I have found out what is going on.... First and foremost, my
> > last name is NOT Comenzo, you think I would actually give out my REAL
> > last name ANYWHERE over the net... I don't think so. I just don't,
> > never have - never will. When I started my page 2 years ago I had my
> > cousin (Steve COMENZO) that knew more about HTML help me get started.
> > We were both into Star Wars and since I was the one that was going to
> > maintain it, SSG was born. The page was really intended for me to get
> > the knowledge of HTML but the site just took off. Anyway... he was
> > into vintage and I was into the new stuff. We have been roommates
> > until he moved out this past week and went to school in another city.
> > Since being roommates we also had the SAME ADDRESS and he was the one
> > that picked up all the mail from the post office. HE is the one that
> > made the deal with Kristen. He never thought it would go this far.
> > (BTW - He has agreed to refund her money) At the beginning we only had
> > one computer in the house. He did his deals (which were all vintage)
> > on my PC and used my e-mail for it. I didn't really care because I was
> > a nobody and figured it was not a concern. Since, he has gotten his PC
> > and used the zo...@juno.com email. We also have the same Internet
> > Service Provider. If this does not convince you then pull up old post
> > and compare the them; we do not even type the same. You should be
> > expecting a post from him sometime tonight. Final words: I am NOT
> > zoman and I am not a scalper. It doesn't make sense for me to be a
> > scalper and to do what all I have done for the Star Wars world on the
> > internet. I maintain my page because I love Star Wars and not for any
> > other reason. I could have stopped long ago. I have gone out of my way
> > to pick up stuff at COST for people that can not find what they are
> > looking for and some of them have posted that. It just does not make
> > any sense for me and zoman to be one and the same. It seems like the
> > more I do for Star Wars on the net, the more people like to down me.
> > Sometimes I ask myself if it is worth it... For those that stood by
> > me; I appreciate it. For those that continued to reticule me....
> > no comment.
> >
> > SirSteve
> >
> > SirSteve's Guide To New Kenner Star Wars Toys (SSG)
> > http://www.jedinet.com/sirsteve
>
> Well, here's the big problem SirSteve (or whoever you are). You say
> above that Zoman is your cousin or whatever and have a whole story
> revolving around that. Well if you're going to stick by this story,
> then explain the following comments that you wrote:
>
> > You need to do some more research because I am not this zoman person and I
> > have no idea as to what is going on. I have done business with her and
> > that's about it. I bought a B-Wing MIB. Please let me know where this has
> > originated from so we can clear this up.
> >
> >
> > SirSteve
> >
> > SirSteve's Guide To New Kenner Star Wars Toys (SSG)
> > http://www.jedinet.com/sirsteve
>
> AND
>
> > Yes, a her. I don't know if I still have that mail anymore but I will
> > look for it. I told her she can use me as a reference and that was the
> > last I have heard until you. What address where you given? Please send me
> > ANY INFO you have and how all this started. As for a news server, anyone
> > can change that. Just get that info to me so I can get this cleared up. I
> > have gotten a few more emails about this person and I do not like it.
> >
> >
> > SirSteve
> >
> > SirSteve's Guide To New Kenner Star Wars Toys (SSG)
> > http://www.jedinet.com/sirsteve
>
John Bartos
SirSteve wrote in message <34736413...@news.gate.net>...
>Why don't you people get off of using my name when that is not even my
>post/reply???? ( [SirSteve's description] ) THAT IS NOT MY
>DESCRIPTION! I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY DEAL WITH THIS KRISTEN! If
>you people are going to post this stuff, why don't you post the ENTIRE
>THING WITH HEADERS AND ALL!?
>
Uh huh, Zoman is actually the wife of your cousin (who shares your name) who
also happens to have sold a B-Wing to you and use your mail box and E-mail
address. Yeah, um... right.
John
Michael Mierzwa
SirSteve wrote:
> FACT: My last name is not COMENZO (I have plenty of written
> documentation to prove this but is not like I am going to post it)
> therefore I am not the one that did any deal with Kristen.
NOTE: I've put the vintage group back in the list of groups ... I think
both communities should see this.
FACT: If you don't trust us with your real name, many of us will not
deal with you.
QUESTION: Why do you not post your real name?
QUESTION: Why did you use your cousin's name?
QUESTION: Did it not ever occur to you that you might be blamed for your
cousin's deals?
QUESTION: If you feared to use your name, why did you use a family
members?
QUESTION: You have had posts that have given us both a female and latter
a male cousin, what gender is your cousin?
QUESTION: Your cousin is married (according to a relative new story),
did his/her wife/husband live with you as well?
QUESTION: You recently said your cousin has moved away to go to school,
what school is this? Your words were "moved to another city".
I am listening, but every question you answer bring up several new ones.
Michael Mierzwa
The Voice
I wish we had this thread here. I now have to go back and reread them
all. It's MUCH more interesting than the flame wars here. Will you
guys work on that??
T. Voice
cma...@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Christopher A Maybury) wrote:
>>Come on... I AM NOT THIS ZOMAN! People: Why would I KNOWINGLY RIP
>>SOMEONE OFF??
>Oh, so there's a second Steve Comenzo operating out of the same P.O. Box
>as you in Vero Beach, Florida? What are the odds of that? I didn't know
>the post office let people share P.O. Boxes...
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John Bartos
Joseph B. wrote in message <346F7D...@mfg.sgi.com>...
>lawsuit. All SirSteve needs is a cousin named, Steve Comenzo and you're
>history pal. I would strongly suggest that everyone lay off and
Please, a FEMALE cousin named Steve? I don't think you read through all the
E-mail correspondence. Do that and try back later.
John
stun...@ols.net
In article <3474656b...@news.gate.net>,
SirS...@gate.net (SirSteve) wrote:
>
> FACT: My last name is not COMENZO (I have plenty of written
> documentation to prove this but is not like I am going to post it)
> therefore I am not the one that did any deal with Kristen.
steve, maybe you'd like to clear something up for me. just who owns that
numbered dennis rodman coin that you and zoman both seem to have?
if you are unrelated to zoman, and zoman did the deal, and kirsten sent
payment to steve comenzo then what gives? zoman was first some woman you
dealt with once but had your same p.o. box number, then zoman ended up
being your cousin. this is really intricate...
that's all i wanna know - i don't care about your web page or your
scalping, i just wanna know why there are so many sides to your story.
-chris
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Ooryl Qrygg
You know what I'm wondering? Where is "Zoman" in all this? SirSteve has
responded (quite weakly might I add) but we haven't heard anything from
"Zoman" denying that he's SirSteve. What gives?
Eric Ehrbar
By being a scalper, Zoman's credability has always been suspect. He
never had anything to protect. So Steve Comenzo is spending his time
protecting the one thing he does have, his web page. Steve will just be
back with a new scalper persona. Probably Jedi...@aol.com or some other
completely anoymous bs.
Eric
John Wooten
In article <346F7D...@mfg.sgi.com>, "Joseph B." <cbu...@mfg.sgi.com> wrote:
>When this is all over, I hope SirSteve sues you for slandering him.
>With a web site like his that should put you in the poor house. How did
>you come to the conclusion that SirSteve and Steve Comenzo are the same
>person. Anyone? The same address. Do you think that that will hold up
Actually, it could also be that I bought something from SirSteve about 2 years
ago and he requested I make the check out to "Steve Comenzo". Did his cousin
live with him back then? Who knows, but I bet now that I mention this he did.
>in court well? When I post from ChangTai is it me or my roommate? Yes,
>Steve Comenzo and Zoman are the same. SirSteve explained that that was
>his cousin. Saying that that was SirSteve's description was
Yet it took him awhile to figure it out, even though the same Steve Comenzo
was mentioned (he claimed to not know who it was!) all along. Let me ask you,
if you allowed your cousin to use your email address, live with you and use
your PO box and you started receiving questions about "Steve Comenzo" being
SirSteve (you), wouldn't you *immediately* know what was going on? The first
thing out of his mouth should have been..."Steve Comenzo is my cousin who I
allowed usage of my email account to and I will contact him about your
dispute." or something like that. instead, we get a lot of hem-hawing around
and stalling for some reason...he also made several statements which show how
"unsure" he was as to what happened or who this "zoman" or Steve Comenzo was.
I think I'd remember my cousin who lived with me.
I also find it interesting that SirSteve is always looking for stuff, yet his
cousin always seems to have stuff for sale at high prices. Surely he could
get some of this from his cousin, right, if for nothing but usage of the
email account? What a strange arrangement...
>apologize for the time being until the facts are straight. SirSteve if
I will apologize as soon as he straightens out the facts for me. All he has
to do is give his real name. Funny how he can't seem to do that when I don't
have a blank check in my hand.
John
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DWonnenberg
stun...@ols.net wrote:
>
> In article <3474656b...@news.gate.net>,
> SirS...@gate.net (SirSteve) wrote:
> >
> > FACT: My last name is not COMENZO (I have plenty of written
> > documentation to prove this but is not like I am going to post it)
> > therefore I am not the one that did any deal with Kristen.
>
> steve, maybe you'd like to clear something up for me. just who owns that
> numbered dennis rodman coin that you and zoman both seem to have?
>
> if you are unrelated to zoman, and zoman did the deal, and kirsten sent
> payment to steve comenzo then what gives? zoman was first some woman you
> dealt with once but had your same p.o. box number, then zoman ended up
> being your cousin. this is really intricate...
>
> that's all i wanna know - i don't care about your web page or your
> scalping, i just wanna know why there are so many sides to your story.
>
> -chris
Forget all his sides to the story, I just want to hear an explanation
about that rodman coin :*)
David
Bubba
>>Wait, is zoman also SirSteve???
>
>Exactly.
>
>Although I guess it could be two Steve Comenzo's sharing the same PO box.
>
>although...what're the odds?
The question is, is SirSteve -> Zoman
I think the answer is yes.
SirSteve you sucker, they always say, crime does not pay. Now you have turned
to the dark side, I do not see the good in you and I do not want to ever see
you turned. May you rot in collectors hell for all eternity
bubba bubba
Martin Woodhouse
On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:01:34 -0800, Michael Mierzwa
<mmie...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Martin Woodhouse wrote:
>>
>> I just hope that when it becomes painfully apparent that Sir Steve is
>> not a scam artist, that all you "respected members" of this group who
>> slander him look at yourselfs for what you are.
>
>Is there a point?
>
>> Has anyone noticed that yet again its the same five people attacking
>> this guy over and over again.
>
>Actually there are more than 5 people involved in this thread. For
>starters you seem to want attention. If you want to argue about
>objectivity of the posters, it is you who ought to start first.
>
>For example, my own posts have actually dealt with the issue at hand:
>somebody here has ripped off another collector.
>
>But it is likely (assuming you are not a total moron) that you know that
>you don't have any good arguements ... so you ignore posts that display
>the facts or the messages between Steve and Kristen ... in fact you
>continue to turn threads as your little stage. It is not too big a
>deal, but if you really want attention, I'm just a little bit curious as
>to why? And why don't you talk about the Steve? Are you at all
>interested in Kristen's rights? Are you at all interested in Steve's?
>Or are you really just interested in poking people.
>
>If this is entertainment for you, why not wait for some other thread
>that doesn't have legal action pending over it? Could you either try to
>address the issue or be just a little bit more mature (although I have
>no clue if you are an adult ... I suspect not, as you sound like a high
>school junior 'ten foot tall and bullet proof' ... at least in the realm
>of the net where people are likely to ignore you)?
>
>> I think it would be wise for these foolish fellows to reconsider their
>> judgements,yes over the internet.
>>
>> troll woodhouse
>
>I'll assume that you like the label. The truth Martin is this, when I
>see one of yours posts, I think, "Hmmm now there is a person who is
>about as interesting as a flatus." You know, when you are in grade
>school and the kid next to you lets one rip, most everybody laughs. The
>poor kid, not having much of an identity then continues to fart each
>day. People eventually stop laughing. And the truth is they are
>laughing at the poor kid, not with him. Guess what? Your gas is
>getting old. If you are only going to fart and ignore the constructive
>comments on the net, why don't you just run along to alt.flame???
>
>Back to the issue at hand, I can not help and wonder if Martin too is a
>bit bothered by zoman's refusal to accept Kristen's return and
>zoman/Steve's attempt to lie about the quality of merchandise. It sure
>looks like he is pulling a "Malcom X" <---- that is playing the part of
>the radical in order to make the others look to have sound ideas.
>
>Martin, who is _your_ Dr. Jekel???
>
>Michael Mierzwa
You seem to be a bit stressed on a mear troll my dear fellow.
Heath A Strickland
In article <346FE5...@ac.net>, Ooryl Qrygg <wcr...@ac.net> wrote:
>You know what I'm wondering? Where is "Zoman" in all this? SirSteve has
>responded (quite weakly might I add) but we haven't heard anything from
>"Zoman" denying that he's SirSteve. What gives?
>
After Sirsteve reads this you certainly will.
Heath
Martin Woodhouse
On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:19:55 -0500, "John Bartos"
<r7...@ix.netcom.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>Martin Woodhouse wrote in message <346d663...@news.clara.net>...
>>
>>I just hope that when it becomes painfully apparent that Sir Steve is
>>not a scam artist, that all you "respected members" of this group who
>>slander him look at yourselfs for what you are.
>>Has anyone noticed that yet again its the same five people attacking
>>this guy over and over again.The kangaroo court of this group in were
>>judge Maybury sits along his learned
>>friends,Wooton,weaver,Levesque,and the one with the wierd polish name.
>>I think it would be wise for these foolish fellows to reconsider their
>>judgements,yes over the internet.
>>
>>troll woodhouse
>
>I'm sitting here and wondering if Martin was referring to me with the "wierd
>polish name" comment. If so, I guess that means I've been inducted into the
>"kangaroo court" (whatever that means) and I didn't even post anything on
>the SirSteve subject! Yay! By the way, the name Bartos is Hungarian, not
>Polish. I guess that was too hard for Woody to figure out...
>
>John
>
>
No not you Barfly, The one with the polish name.
Chris Fawcett
Keith A. Schneider wrote:
>
> "John Bartos" <r7...@ix.netcom.comNOSPAM> writes:
>
> >"The bubble is great except for a cut out on the bottom. The card is in
> >excellent shape." [SirSteve's description] can no way be used to describe
> >the same carded figure as "Well, the bubble is so yellowed that it's almost
> >separated completely from the card, the card has staple holes all over it,
> >and the guard's head isn't even attached to the body." [Kirsten's
> >description]
> As fars as the head separation, there was no question about this, and no
> answer. Is that something that's important in a sealed figure?
You're kidding right? Of course the head being attached is important.
> (where
> was the head, lying in the bottom of the bubble chamber?) I'm not
> familiar enough with these Turkish figures to know how well they were
> reproduced or what sort of separation we're talking about here. No one
I think
"the guard's head isn't even attached to the body" is pretty sefl
explanatory.
> else seems to know in this thread either--they are just assuming the
> figure was trash even though there is little information that has been
> posted to support this. What Kirsten or I call a trashy figure may well
> be perfectly acceptable to other collectors.
I agree *somewhat* with your statements about bubbles and cards. A card
with a few staple holes could be considered excellent depending on where
the holes are and how many. A yellowed bubble is often considered
excellent on many figures that are tough to find unyellowed (Australian
POTF). But the headless body is unforgivable IMO.
I also agree that no matter what you get or who you're dealling with you
should *always* specify up front that you can return the item for a full
refund minus shipping if you're unsatisfied. If this is not their
return policy, don't buy from them except face-to-face.
Cj
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Anthony M. Soto
In article <3470a080...@news.clara.net> ru...@clara.net writes:
>Steven, dont let the little spoil it for the rest of us.
>Please keep up your stalwart efforts and please accept my apology on
>behalf of these fools.
>maerin
How approppriate... Martin, apologizing on behalf of fools. This coming from
the King of Fools.
My take on all of this... Steve, I think that there is sufficient evidence
against you (the Rodman coin that you and Zoman had for sale, you claiming to
not know anything about Zoman... even though he is supposed to be your cousin
that used to live with you???). If you are Zoman, why don't you just come
clean? I think everyone would have been a lot less harsh on you if you had
just admitted that you made a mistake. Instead, you come up with an ...
intesting... story about your cousin. It may be true, but don't you think
it sounds like fantasy? Think about it. Re-read these articles and pretend
they were talking about someone else, would YOU believe YOUR story??? Tell
us your name; your full name. Come clean. If you are Steve Comenzco (or
whatever), it is going to be difficult to get people to ever buy from you
again. Once someone starts filling out that check to Steve <fill in the blank>,
they're going to realize who you are. I don't think banks will cash a check
made out to SirSteve.
Tony
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Reid Worth
stun...@ols.net wrote:
> steve, maybe you'd like to clear something up for me. just who owns that
> numbered dennis rodman coin that you and zoman both seem to have?
>
> if you are unrelated to zoman, and zoman did the deal, and kirsten sent
> payment to steve comenzo then what gives? zoman was first some woman you
> dealt with once but had your same p.o. box number, then zoman ended up
> being your cousin. this is really intricate...
Ah..see..he dealt with this Zoman chic once...the deal went so well,
they
decided they could deal with being roomates. Then, SirSteve's uncle
(we'll call him SirMike) married some woman (we'll call her Carol), who
miraculously happened to be Zoman's mother. Upon realization they
were now family, SirSteve and Zoman decided to get a joint checking
account, and also figured that using each others internet accounts
for their separate deals wouldn't lead to any problems? There..see?
Who says the story's full of holes?
Reid Worth (notice the use of actual name...)
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absolut zero.."I am your brother's best friend's cousin's former
roomate!"
"Sooo..what does that make us?"
"Absolutely nothing!!"
Reid Worth
> On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:33:34 -0800, Ooryl Qrygg <wcr...@ac.net> wrote:
> >---<You know what I'm wondering? Where is "Zoman" in all this? SirSteve has
> >---<responded (quite weakly might I add) but we haven't heard anything from
> >---<"Zoman" denying that he's SirSteve. What gives?
Shon A. Congleton wrote:
>
> According to SirSteve, he went away for college a day or two
> ago..........
Wow..I wish I could only go to college for a day or two. I've gone every
day, and I'm still getting Bs and Cs. Ooryl's got a point.
Although..given
the rather blurred line of distinction between Zoman and SirSteve..I'm
not
sure that a post from Zoman claiming that "she's" not SirSteve would
really
mean much. I mean...they have the same address, same server, same Rodman
coin...how would we _really_ know it isn't SirSteve just putting words
into a possibly imaginary Zoman's mouth?
Reid Worth
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absolut zero...who checks his e-mail and the NGs quite a bit from
campus..
"off to college for a coupla days" seems like a thin
excuse.
But..anyway..she IS coming back, yes? She's going to
HAVE
to wanna say something when she finds out about this,
right?
Ooryl Qrygg
Joseph B. wrote:
>
> When this is all over, I hope SirSteve sues you for slandering him.
> With a web site like his that should put you in the poor house. How did
> you come to the conclusion that SirSteve and Steve Comenzo are the same
> person. Anyone? The same address. Do you think that that will hold up
> Steve Comenzo and Zoman are the same. SirSteve explained that that was
> his cousin. Saying that that was SirSteve's description was
> lawsuit. All SirSteve needs is a cousin named, Steve Comenzo and you're
> history pal. I would strongly suggest that everyone lay off and
> up.
>
> joe
>
So Joe, did SirSteve (Comenzo) and Zoman, "the cousin" both own the same
ilusize coin with the same # and the same description? Or maybe SirSteve
"accidentially" reposted under Zoman by going to juno.com and
again "accidentially" signing his name to the post. Come on people!
Joe, you've been blinded! I don't want to believe that SirSteve (aka
Zoman) would do something like this, but the evidence clearly shows that
he did. He's scared and his story keeps changing. Joe, open you eyes
even if you don't like what you see.
Ooryl Qrygg
"The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he
would never be found out." -Thomas Macaulay
"Hey Steve... we know." -Ooryl Qrygg
Christopher A Maybury
In a previous article, ru...@clara.net (Martin Woodhouse) says:
>I have heard nothing but 100% satisfaction with people who have delt
>with steve.
I would hardly describe Kirsten as 100% satisfied.
>The very shallow soles who are doing this seem to yet again to think
>they can bully the rest of us on this group into accepting their
>hollow outlook.
>I think the fact that stevens web site is miles above the likes of his
>attackers ( Levesque,mayburys,wootons and chums) has more than a
>little to do with this.
>
>woody
Blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda, Martin's a troll...etc...
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Keith A. Schneider
Chris Fawcett <cfaw...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>> As fars as the head separation, there was no question about this, and no
>> answer. Is that something that's important in a sealed figure?
>You're kidding right? Of course the head being attached is important.
I don't know... we are talking about one of those crappy Turkish
figures. Is the head just "separated" as Kirsten said, or is the figure
headless, like other people have been inferring? Where was the head?
Is it where it is supposed to be, but just not on tightly? Or is it
lying in the bottom of the bubble chamber.
>I think
>"the guard's head isn't even attached to the body" is pretty sefl
>explanatory.
I don't. Is it supposed to be attached? How could one of those guard
heads come off anyway? I didn't even think they had moveable heads. I
guess I never took all the robes off to see.
>> else seems to know in this thread either--they are just assuming the
>> figure was trash even though there is little information that has been
>> posted to support this. What Kirsten or I call a trashy figure may well
>> be perfectly acceptable to other collectors.
>I agree *somewhat* with your statements about bubbles and cards. A card
>with a few staple holes could be considered excellent depending on where
>the holes are and how many. A yellowed bubble is often considered
>excellent on many figures that are tough to find unyellowed (Australian
>POTF). But the headless body is unforgivable IMO.
I still don't understand the statement that "the card was so yellow that
it almost was off the card" or whatever she said. Yellowness has
nothing to do with being attached or not. That's like sayind the car
was so blue that the door nearly fell off or something unintelligble
like that. Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. Pure nonsense.
To me, this whole fiasco because some people had been wanting to rag on
this guy SirSteve for something (since he is so prominent with his nice
web site). Everyone alsways wants to drag someone else down. Not that
I'm necessarily any better, but at least I know what I'm doing.
I don't approve of this whole tactic of dragging someone through the
newsgroup savages to get them to do what you want. I think if Kirsten
had said something like "oh come on, *please* give me a refund, because
I am really not happy with the condition of the figure. I may just be
a picky collector, but I spent a lot of money on this, I'm a poor
starving graduate student (or whatever), and you really don't have
anything else on your list that I'd rather have in exchange, etc." she
would have had better luck than telling the guy "refund me, or I'll
contact my attorney". What's with this? The guy seemed perfectly nice
in his e-mail message. The whole content of their exchange seemed too
short to bring it to this point so quickly. I've seen people who have
waited several months before posting a "bad trader" alert (and even
then they didn't post private e-mail correspondence without
permission), after having told the person that they would post the
message, and so on.
keith
Ron Perovich
Martin Woodhouse <ru...@clara.net> wrote in article
<34709fa...@news.clara.net>...
Gee, that clears it up! Thanks!
Eric Sansoni
In article <3470BD61...@ix.netcom.com>, Chris Fawcett <cfaw...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> As fars as the head separation, there was no question about this, and no
>> answer. Is that something that's important in a sealed figure?
>
>You're kidding right? Of course the head being attached is important.
>explanatory.
Well my POTF2 Bib Fortuna's head is not attached...or not attached properly?
Depends on your point-of-view I guess. It's half-hanging out, loosely.
This was a problem apparently common to the Bibs, but because the cloak
around his neck is so thick it isn't a serious flaw. The head is
just slightly crooked and higher up. The original Royal Guard has a head
with a whole cloak coming right out of it. It could just be laying on the
figure, with the cloak still around it, covering the figure, such that it's
again not a noticeable flaw, particularly to a carded figure. This
certainly is possible if not likely to be an overstated flaw on Kirsten's
part. This looked like a key point to the "misrepresentation of
merchandise" argument directed against SirSteve, so I think it's worth some
closer inquiry.
-Eric S.
POTF2 Up To Date: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/3177/
"We really don't view the 'variations' as part of the line. Only
collectors view the variations as valuable, we view them as improving the
product to be as accurate as possible." -Jen at Hasbro
Ron Perovich
Keith A. Schneider <ke...@alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote
> I don't know... we are talking about one of those crappy Turkish
> figures. Is the head just "separated" as Kirsten said, or is the figure
> headless, like other people have been inferring? Where was the head?
> Is it where it is supposed to be, but just not on tightly? Or is it
> lying in the bottom of the bubble chamber.
>
>
It's in the bubble but is completely seperated from the figure. I saw the
jpeg she posted of it.
> I still don't understand the statement that "the card was so yellow that
> it almost was off the card" or whatever she said. Yellowness has
> nothing to do with being attached or not. That's like sayind the car
> was so blue that the door nearly fell off or something unintelligble
> like that. Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. Pure nonsense.
>
I don't even collect carded vinatage and even I understand it. First of
all there is a huge difference between saying a car is blue and a bubble is
yellow. "Yellow" is not just a discription of the type as in the car's
case but a discription of quality of bubble as related to age. You see,
when plastic gets old it gets brittle, warps, AND TURNS YELLOW. I can see
a perfectly logical progression from a bubble being yellow to its edges
warping and curling from age, thus pulling itself from the card as it
seperates. I know everyone in this group knew this already but I figured
somebody needed to at least post this so Kieth could quit claiming he
didn't understand.
Keith A. Schneider
"Ron Perovich" <rkp...@jove.acs.unt.edu> writes:
>> I don't know... we are talking about one of those crappy Turkish
>> figures. Is the head just "separated" as Kirsten said, or is the figure
>> headless, like other people have been inferring? Where was the head?
>> Is it where it is supposed to be, but just not on tightly? Or is it
>> lying in the bottom of the bubble chamber.
>>
>It's in the bubble but is completely seperated from the figure. I saw the
>jpeg she posted of it.
I haven't seen any picture. Where is it?
>> I still don't understand the statement that "the card was so yellow that
>> it almost was off the card" or whatever she said. Yellowness has
>> nothing to do with being attached or not. That's like sayind the car
>> was so blue that the door nearly fell off or something unintelligble
>> like that. Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. Pure nonsense.
>>
>I don't even collect carded vinatage and even I understand it. First of
>all there is a huge difference between saying a car is blue and a bubble is
>yellow. "Yellow" is not just a discription of the type as in the car's
>case but a discription of quality of bubble as related to age. You see,
>when plastic gets old it gets brittle, warps, AND TURNS YELLOW. I can see
>a perfectly logical progression from a bubble being yellow to its edges
>warping and curling from age, thus pulling itself from the card as it
>seperates. I know everyone in this group knew this already but I figured
>somebody needed to at least post this so Kieth could quit claiming he
>didn't understand.
I disagree that the yellowing process is connected to the warping
process. I have seen very yellow bubbles that have not at all warped
the card, and of course I've seen perfectly clear bubbles that *have*
warped the card (due to shrinkage). I've seen a lot of figures, and
while the age of the bubble contributes to its probability of being
warped and/or yellow, I think once you remove this age factor, the
yellowness and warping are decorrelated.
When describing a figure, is it enough to say that the bubble is yellow
without saying the card is warped (or vice versa)? I think you are
trying to make up an excuse for the nonsense that Kirsten posted.
keith
James
Ron Perovich wrote:
>
> Martin Woodhouse <ru...@clara.net> wrote in article
> <34709fa...@news.clara.net>...
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:19:55 -0500, "John Bartos"
> > <r7...@ix.netcom.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> >
> > >Martin Woodhouse wrote in message <346d663...@news.clara.net>...
> > >>
> > >>I just hope that when it becomes painfully apparent that Sir Steve is
> > >>not a scam artist, that all you "respected members" of this group who
> > >>slander him look at yourselfs for what you are.
> > >>Has anyone noticed that yet again its the same five people attacking
> > >>this guy over and over again.The kangaroo court of this group in were
> > >>judge Maybury sits along his learned
> > >>friends,Wooton,weaver,Levesque,and the one with the wierd polish name.
> > >>I think it would be wise for these foolish fellows to reconsider their
> > >>judgements,yes over the internet.
> > >>
> > >>troll woodhouse
Alright, this is in no way in judgement of this sirSteve thing, but, you
who complained in this statement of the so called "kangaroo court" are
one of the many who have given them their repective powers. If you
aren't in agreement with them, who from what I can tell are just trying
to warn people, so be it. But I think after you have no insulted
them... We, or should I say me, would not like to see you in a week or a
month, in a string agreeing with them and cheering them on, because we,
once again me, all know you will, because you are all hypocritical.
Remember they were just trying to get to the bottom of things... and
when they beleived they did... they tried to help us all by warning
people.
JM2C
Anthony M. Soto
>> I still don't understand the statement that "the card was so yellow that
>> it almost was off the card" or whatever she said. Yellowness has
>> nothing to do with being attached or not. That's like sayind the car
>> was so blue that the door nearly fell off or something unintelligble
>> like that. Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. Pure nonsense.
Nope. Wrong way to explain the anology. C'mon Keith, you claim to be an
excellent grader of the stuff you sell. Why are you pretending that you don't
understand? You would be closer saying "the car was so RUSTED that the door
nearly fell off", using a car as an example. You see, the bubble yellowing is
deterioration of the plastic; rust is deterioration of the metal in the car.
Does that make more sense to you, Keith? ... Sigh ... Probably not.
Little T
The head of this figure is laying off to the side on the figures shoulder.
Not even making contact with the neck at all. You can see it at
http://www.cinti.net/~schaulkr. It is really obvious how bad this thing is.
Toni
Keith A. Schneider
I don't see the color of the bubble having anything at all to do with
its integrity. Someone with a large collection should look at a bunch
of figures from the same year and see if the figures with yellow bubbles
are more likely to have broken bubbles or warped cards (due to bubble
shrinkage) or whatever.
Anyway, the picture I saw of the card does not show the bubble almost
coming off the card at all, and I think this was just a hyperbole.s I
can't tell the color of the bubble from the picture, but it looks pretty
clear to me.
keith
RobotFan
The name Steve Comenzo has been linked to SirSteve for over a year!
Found this on dejanews
>Subject: ***REFERENCE LIST, HERE IT IS! From:
>Bob Hall <bthe...@west.net> Date: 1996/04/12
>Message-ID: <4kmioe$e...@daffy.sb.west.net>
<snip>
>NAME: Steve Commenzo EMAIL: sirs...@vero.com BOUGHT FROM,
>SOLD TO , TRADE: bought from DID THEY SHIP RIGHT AWAY?: yes
>WAS THE GRADING ACCURATE?: yes WERE THEY RESPONSIVE TO
>EMAIL?: yes REFERENCE/COMMENTS: Mike Gomez
>(mgo...@kuentos.guam,net) ³Nice guy and knowledgable
>collector.²
>NAME: Steve Comenzo EMAIL: sirs...@vero.net BOUGHT FROM,
>SOLD TO, TRADE: bought from, sold to, and traded. DID THEY
>SHIP RIGHT AWAY?: yes WAS THE GRADING ACCURATE?:yes WERE
>THEY RESPONSIVE TO EMAIL?: yes REFERENCE/COMMENTS:Robert
>Prohl (rob...@norfolk.infi.net) ³ Shipped right away, got
>what i expected and grading was accurate. Responsive to
>mail and he is someone i would not hesitate to deal with.
>Deal from $18-$55.²
Also found this
>Subject: WARNING-BAD TRADER!!! From:
>pat...@becnet.com Date: 1997/08/03 Message-ID:
><8705905...@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: rec.collecting
>[More Headers]
> Just a warning about Steve Comenzo from Florida. I bought
>a SE Movie Edition Luke Skywalker and Han in Freezing from
>him a few weeks ago. Both were said to be mint. The Han
>was fine, but the Luke came with creasing on the top. In
>our e-mails, he said that I could return the pieces if I
>didn't like them for a refund. Well, he hasn't mailed me
>back. Just BEWARE when dealing with him. His e-mails are
>zo...@juno.com and SirS...@gate.net. Any questions, mail
>me
>Erik
Carl Kramer
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10:37:05 AM
11/18/97
Ron Peritore
Keith A. Schneider wrote:
<snip>
> there shouldn't be a problem. It is not as if the figure is broken
> somehow, and as long as you can maneuver the head back into place, I'm
> not sure the value of the figure is descreased.
>
> keith
Well Keith, here is a way to make you sure the value is decreased. What
would you rather have:
1) a carded figure with a head that is loose and falls off that must be
maneuvered to the right place
OR
2) a carded figure (same condition bubble and card) but the head is
attached and shows no sign of falling off
That's right, you'd take number two, as would anyone. Therefore it is
more in demand and a higher value is placed upon it.
Ron
Chris Fawcett
Keith A. Schneider wrote:
>
> Chris Fawcett <cfaw...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
> >> As fars as the head separation, there was no question about this, and no
> >> answer. Is that something that's important in a sealed figure?
>
> >You're kidding right? Of course the head being attached is important.
>
> figures. Is the head just "separated" as Kirsten said, or is the figure
> headless, like other people have been inferring? Where was the head?
> Is it where it is supposed to be, but just not on tightly? Or is it
> lying in the bottom of the bubble chamber.
Websters:
separate: to set or put apart (two or more things) into parts, groups,
sets, etc.; cause to part; divide; disunite; sever
I think this explains it pretty well. The head was seperated (divided,
disunited, severed) from the body. Does it really matter beyond that?
Who cares if the head is lying in the bottom of the bubble or totally
missing, it was misrepresented merchandise.
But this wasn't what I was getting at originally. You basically asked
if having the head attached to the figure was "something that's
important." Come on Keith, you're a collector, don't be ridiculous. Of
course that's important.
> >I think
> >"the guard's head isn't even attached to the body" is pretty sefl
> >explanatory.
>
> I don't. Is it supposed to be attached? How could one of those guard
> heads come off anyway? I didn't even think they had moveable heads. I
> guess I never took all the robes off to see.
Is it supposed to be attached?!? Were there any characters in Star Wars
with removable heads?!? I can't even believe you're asking these
things. Stop grasping at straws here and just realize that the figure
was *not* in the condition it was supposed to be in.
Martin Woodhouse
James, thank you for youe response.The main five people who seem to
have it in for Steven are no strangers to judging people on shall we
say less than convincing evidence.
The same people lambast other posters on a frequent basis.
I really do think that if it was the case of them wanting to get to
the bottom of this then they would have shown a little more caution
before jumping in on Kirstens side(on of their own ranks).
Of course we want to protect people ,but like i have said before there
are bad trader posts almost everday on this group.Why do the mob only
jump on this one alledged bad deal?.
Woody
Michael Mierzwa
Chris Fawcett wrote:
> Is it supposed to be attached?!? Were there any characters in Star Wars
> with removable heads?!? I can't even believe you're asking these
> things. Stop grasping at straws here and just realize that the figure
> was *not* in the condition it was supposed to be in.
LOL! (glad I wasn't drinking at the time) ;)
There were characters with removable arms. ;) And other characters
whose arms could actually be replaces. RASSM had a thread not long ago
about the number of chopped off arms in the Trilogy and their meaning.
But we never got around to talking about floating heads.
Michael Mierzwa
I would be out for blood if somebody started pulling the heads off my
Mon Calamari!
Keith A. Schneider
Chris Fawcett <cfaw...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>But this wasn't what I was getting at originally. You basically asked
>if having the head attached to the figure was "something that's
>important." Come on Keith, you're a collector, don't be ridiculous. Of
>course that's important.
[...]
>Is it supposed to be attached?!? Were there any characters in Star Wars
>with removable heads?!? I can't even believe you're asking these
>things. Stop grasping at straws here and just realize that the figure
>was *not* in the condition it was supposed to be in.
As far as I know, all of those Turkish royal guards (or whatever they
call them) may have loose heads. The American figure has all those
robes, and if you take those away, maybe the head just comes right off.
The seller said the head was on when he sent it, so perhaps if you
jiggle the figure around now, you will be able to get the head back on,
and it will be as good as new. Again, since the card is still sealed,
Michael Mierzwa
Keith A. Schneider wrote:
> "Ron Perovich" <rkp...@jove.acs.unt.edu> writes:
> >It's in the bubble but is completely seperated from the figure. I saw the
> >jpeg she posted of it.
>
> I haven't seen any picture. Where is it?
http://www.cinti.net/~schaulkr
She also posted to the RASSC.misc group at least two days ago. Same
pic. It appears as though the entire figure is also in a bag.
> I disagree that the yellowing process is connected to the warping
> process. I have seen very yellow bubbles that have not at all warped
> the card, and of course I've seen perfectly clear bubbles that *have*
> warped the card (due to shrinkage). I've seen a lot of figures, and
> while the age of the bubble contributes to its probability of being
> warped and/or yellow, I think once you remove this age factor, the
> yellowness and warping are decorrelated.
But that is the big trick. I think in many people's eyes, age is
described or percieved as either yellow or warped or both. When I see
yellow bubbles, while they are not "warped" they do appear loose and to
have fallen off the card in places.
NOTE: I don't have but currently *1* vintage carded figure, but I have
looked at many in stores and shows. (But I'm sure there are people
who've seen more than I have to date.) ;)
> When describing a figure, is it enough to say that the bubble is yellow
> without saying the card is warped (or vice versa)? I think you are
> trying to make up an excuse for the nonsense that Kirsten posted.
I agree that if I was to describe a trading card (these are what I do
have many and feel very comfortable in describing) that I would explain
in great detail the conditions of cards I would trade or those that I
would recieve and might be displeased with. The same is true of MOC or
just carded figures.
However, I can also say that at times you don't want to say too much, as
to run the risk of tuning people out. There is such a thing as too much
information.
BTW: This is now more a post about grading than any warning, perhaps we
should move into a grading discussion again?
Michael Mierzwa
Chris Fawcett
I've seen figures in the store with items broken off in the packaging.
The figure *is* broken. Just because it's sealed doesn't mean it can't
be broken. This is not how they are supposed to be. These heads don't
just lift off, they're supposed to be attached.
But that's still not the point I was getting at. I was trying to
comprehend how you could not understand that it *is* important that the
head is attached. I know you're a collector, I'm pretty sure you have
some carded stuff. You would care if one of the carded figures had an
arm floating loose in the packaging, wouldn't you? I can understand the
logic that if the head isn't attached (the Queen Borg comes to mind) and
it fell off in the packaging, that would be different. But from what
you were saying, it sounded like the figure being complete and unbroken
was irrelevant, as long as the bubble was still sealed.
Michael Mierzwa
Keith A. Schneider wrote:
> As far as I know, all of those Turkish royal guards (or whatever they
> call them) may have loose heads. The American figure has all those
> robes, and if you take those away, maybe the head just comes right off.
I don't feel qualified to say ...
> The seller said the head was on when he sent it, so perhaps if you
> jiggle the figure around now, you will be able to get the head back on,
> and it will be as good as new. Again, since the card is still sealed,
> there shouldn't be a problem. It is not as if the figure is broken
> somehow, and as long as you can maneuver the head back into place, I'm
> not sure the value of the figure is descreased.
The point is, he should have just accepted the refund. He sent a
package and it arrived not in the condition he claimed it was in.
Reading the emails, he did try to slightly (if not outright strong arm)
Kristen. He was basically saying, I've been around for a long time and
this is the way it works, exchanges, but no refunds.
Now for the value of a headless figure! You bet it is lower, much
lower.
Last year this time, I bought a B-wing. It was described as C8 and
loose. The trader ended up taking it for one last fly through his house
and it dropped. The gun was damaged. :( He sent me back a letter
apolyogizing and said he did not want to glue it back and had spent a
couple weeks hunting for another one at his cost!
The point with this example, is we both know a broken B-wing is worth
less than a non-broken one. And it is what we agreed to. I appreciated
his honesty!
Michael Mierzwa
Martin Woodhouse
On 17 Nov 1997 22:03:26 GMT, sot...@caracal.cig.mot.com (Anthony M.
Soto) wrote:
> Tony
>--
>Tony Soto
>Motorola, Inc.
>1501 W. Shure Dr.
.
Feel free to troll me as you always have done,but show a little guts
when the mob starts attacking the likes of Sir Steven.
Tony you are better than that.
martin
Gary R. Weaver II
Uh I would have to say the evidence was rather straight foreward and to
the point. There were no gray areas.
> The same people lambast other posters on a frequent basis.
> I really do think that if it was the case of them wanting to get to
> the bottom of this then they would have shown a little more caution
> before jumping in on Kirstens side(on of their own ranks).
Might you have even considered that there were mailings and inquiry's
occuring BEFORE any public posts were made? There was enough evidence
gathered before "the others" joined in to support Kirsten. Personally I
would like to know why Steve didn't just come out with ANY statement
following Kirstens initial post. Instead he waited and let it carry on
for a day or two before he even tried to make those BS posts...
> Of course we want to protect people ,but like i have said before there
> are bad trader posts almost everday on this group.Why do the mob only
> jump on this one alledged bad deal?.
HAve you even been reading the mail generated in these threads? Probably
not, but I won't hold that against you. The point is Steve was running a
nice scam which relied on trustworthy collectors being decieved via false
pretenses. Steve/Zoman's initial bad trade has been taken care of, now
people want to get to the bottom of the deeper problem. It is a real pity
that you wish to use this situation simply to act juvenile and be a
ninny...
-Gary
-Gary
SirSteve
On 18 Nov 1997 16:52:49 GMT, robo...@aol.com (RobotFan) wrote:
>The name Steve Comenzo has been linked to SirSteve for over a year!
Duh... same computer in the same house for the past 3 years... you
need to read EVERYTHING before you go and post accusations like this.
This guy has never dealt with me. Interesting how I have not gotten
any of that email from you....
>
>
>Carl Kramer
>RobotFan
>http://members.aol.com/robotfan/index.html
>
> "I am the Atomic Powered Robot,
> please give my best wishes to everybody!" - Atomic Powered Robot
>
> ::Stay on Target::
>
>
>
>
>10:37:05 AM
>11/18/97
SirSteve
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http://www.jedinet.com/sirsteve
Anthony M. Soto
In article <34721bba...@news.clara.net> ru...@clara.net writes:
>Feel free to troll me as you always have done,but show a little guts
>when the mob starts attacking the likes of Sir Steven.
>Tony you are better than that.
Marin,
I didn't jump into this because of the "mob" or "Gus' goons" (I like this
name WAY better BTW :-) ). I thought I'd put in my $.02 because someone in
rasscm got ripped off; I felt bad for her and I had something to say. Why?
I guess mainly because I just wanted SirSteve to see how wierd is story
sounded. I always thought highly of Steve's Web page. It had many pictures
of new things in an easy to view set-up, and I am disappointed that the
evidence seems to be showing, by a landslide, that he is zoman. I'm mainly
disappointed because I was REALLY hoping that he and zoman weren't the
same person (say is ain't so Joe; say it ain't so... sorry... I'm a Chicagoan,
and the Black Sox STILL bothers me, even though it was WAY before my time).
I am always bugged when people in our community have a deal go sour (the
Renhoek thing, this one, Chris Stone and yes... even when Lukejedi got
cheated). I have put in my opinion every now and then about these just as
I gave my opinion here.
I am glad that the deal is working out, and the figure is being returned
for a full refund. I, like many others, would like to see this topic dwindle
and eventually be put on the back burner. I wouldn't want to see it forgotten,
though, because there was definitely a LOT to learn from this situation.
Eric Sansoni
In article <3471AB33...@ix.netcom.com>, Chris Fawcett <cfaw...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>I think this explains it pretty well. The head was seperated (divided,
>disunited, severed) from the body. Does it really matter beyond that?
>Who cares if the head is lying in the bottom of the bubble or totally
>missing, it was misrepresented merchandise.
There's still no convincing proof that it was misrepresented. I've seen the
pics of it now... The head could have been loose before shipping, the glue
could have been out, and it may have become dislodged in transit. A little
conflict if the dealer fears the customer may have made a switch instead of
the item being damaged in transit is expected. Maybe Steve did know the
head was detached, but maybe he didn't... How can we know? Would anyone
seriously have expected to send a figure like this and not have to accept a
return? Sometimes I lose sight of what Steve is being accused of here...but
if this "misrepresentation" is a major point it just doesn't hold enough
water for me.
Bill Cable
> FACT: My last name is not COMENZO (I have plenty of written
> documentation to prove this but is not like I am going to post it)
> therefore I am not the one that did any deal with Kristen.
>
>
> SirSteve
>
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