Congressman Builds Ark
TB
building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
warning of a coming flood?
What would you suggest the Congressman do to finance the Ark
construction project plus provide for the animals?
William George Ferguson
wrote:
>How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
>building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
>warning of a coming flood?
I'd say he was a fraud that didn't know his bible.
Even Noah's God didn't depend on a single breeding pair. Noah was
instructed to board 7 pairs of each of the birds and 'clean' animals, and
two pairs each of the 'unclean' animals
>What would you suggest the Congressman do to finance the Ark
>construction project plus provide for the animals?
Have the churches pay for it.
Of course, there's the little matter of God's covenent, that he will never
again destroy the world by flood.
--
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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
(Bene Gesserit)
TB
wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:50:18 -0700 (PDT), TB <tsbru...@dcn.davis.ca.us>
> wrote:
>
> >How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
> >building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
> >warning of a coming flood?
>
> I'd say he was a fraud that didn't know his bible.
>
> Even Noah's God didn't depend on a single breeding pair. Noah was
> instructed to board 7 pairs of each of the birds and 'clean' animals, and
> two pairs each of the 'unclean' animals
>
> >What would you suggest the Congressman do to finance the Ark
> >construction project plus provide for the animals?
>
> Have the churches pay for it.
>
> Of course, there's the little matter of God's covenent, that he will never
> again destroy the world by flood.
What's to keep him from destroying just a neighborhood or a city by
flood?
J.J. O'Shea
(in article
<d07b3a2a-8a86-4779...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>):
Offer to help pay for it on two conditions:
1 The Congresscritter, and his entire family, and all his 'aides' are part of
the crew. And all of 'em must wear leather harnesses attached to chains which
in turn are attached to 100-pound lead weights.
2 I get full and complete film, video, u-tube, etc., rights.
I figure that the Congresscritter's constituents will pay big bucks to watch
him voluntarily get on a very large barge, take the barge out to sea, and
within the first ten minutes capsize, break up, and sink with all hands.
--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article
<f4c660da-e01b-4cd4...@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>):
Hurracan would get pissed at someone horning in on his territory. Thor would
be might sore, too. And as for what Ogun would do...
Viivi
Second question affects the answer to the first: If the financing is from
private funds then I'd chuckle and turn the page. Just like with any
other funny little newspaper story. Mind you, I wouldn't vote for him
since clearly he's a bit too eccentric *), but others are free to choose
their representatives however they wish. If OTOH he'd direct public
funds to this enterprise in any form whatsoever then it's the time to
bring out the torches and arrange the figurative lynch mobbing.
I, of course, expect him to provide decent care for the gathered
animals and not to smuggle any endangered species, but otherwise it's
his money and his ark and none of my business. Except for getting
amused by all of those videos that undoubtedly are going to appear
on YouTube.
Unless the congressman happens to look like Steve Carell under
his prophetic garb in which case it's best to run for the hills, of
course...
*) The difference between eccentric and insane is about 1 million
dollars. If a person has access to enough private funding to build a
large ark he obviously falls on the eccentric side.
Paul Ciszek
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Quadibloc
> How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
> building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
> warning of a coming flood?
I would doubt his sanity.
> What would you suggest the Congressman do to finance the Ark
> construction project plus provide for the animals?
I would recommend against taxpayer funding for it.
Why do you ask? Is this something to do with global warming or Mars
colonization?
John Savard
Robert Bannister
No doubt, but this isn't really the way politicians work. Obviously, his
constituents and a lot of other people are going to pay big bucks - he's
not going to spend a cent of his own money - but the thing won't
actually get built and the money will find its way into some untraceable
account that he will use to make even more, nicely laundered money.
Of course, there will still be lots of pictures of the politician
standing in a shipyard, surrounded by cuddly animals.
--
Rob Bannister
Greg Goss
>On Oct 2, 12:19 am, William George Ferguson <wmgfr...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> Of course, there's the little matter of God's covenent, that he will never
>> again destroy the world by flood.
>
>What's to keep him from destroying just a neighborhood or a city by
>flood?
You were watching the season opener on Amazing Race, too, were you?
(The storm that dumped 17 inches onto parts of Vietnam didn't even get
a name. But it got into Wiki even without a name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2009_Vietnam_tropical_depression
)
--
apart from one noisy guy up in Canada, no-one wants
a three-cylinder tissue box on bicycle tires.
TB
> "Viivi" <vi...@eiroskapostia.fi> found these unused words:
>
> >TB:
> >> How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
> >> building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
> >> warning of a coming flood?
>
> you!
He can just go to the book store and buy "Ark Building For Dummies",
or Google "Ark Building".
>
>
>
> >> What would you suggest the Congressman do to finance the Ark
> >> construction project plus provide for the animals?
>
> >Second question affects the answer to the first: If the financing is from
> >private funds then I'd chuckle and turn the page. Just like with any
> >other funny little newspaper story. Mind you, I wouldn't vote for him
> >since clearly he's a bit too eccentric *), but others are free to choose
> >their representatives however they wish. If OTOH he'd direct public
> >funds to this enterprise in any form whatsoever then it's the time to
> >bring out the torches and arrange the figurative lynch mobbing.
>
> >I, of course, expect him to provide decent care for the gathered
> >animals and not to smuggle any endangered species, but otherwise it's
> >his money and his ark and none of my business. Except for getting
> >amused by all of those videos that undoubtedly are going to appear
> >on YouTube.
>
> >Unless the congressman happens to look like Steve Carell under
> >his prophetic garb in which case it's best to run for the hills, of
> >course...
>
> >*) The difference between eccentric and insane is about 1 million
> >dollars. If a person has access to enough private funding to build a
> >large ark he obviously falls on the eccentric side.
>
> You haven't priced costs lately - he obviously falls on the bankrupt side!
Tim Bruening
Quadibloc wrote:
Global warming would increase the sea level, leading to flooding of the
low lands, making a Noah type Ark useful.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <4AC7064D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>):
Except that the bloody thing wouldn't float. An Ark, as 'described' in
Genesis, would be a large, unstable, wooden deathtrap. It would capsize
shortly after hitting the water, assuming that it lasted long enough to do
that, 'cause if there waves of more than one inch it'd break up first. In the
extremely unlikely event that it stays in one piece and right-side-up,
there's just one door and just one window. Ventilation is going to be A
Problem(tm). And, as Bill Cosby famously pointed out, there's gonna be a
_major_ waste-disposal problem Real Soon after the animals board... which
means that Ventilation is gonna be A Really Big Problem. Hint: go to the
nearest zoo and have a sniff. Now imagine that there are a lot more animals,
in a lot smaller space, with only one window...
And, of course if you only have two (or seven, depending on which of the two
Flood stories you use as a basis for this marine disaster) of each animal,
what happens to, say, the zebras after the lions/tigers/wolves/hyenas/hunting
dogs/get hungry? I hope you brought a _lot_ of Lion Chow(tm).
Over on talk.origins, where Ye Arke shows up regularly, there was once a
little document known as Torpedo Ye Arke! Here's the last version I can find:
begin included text:
___________________
O-kay... my problem with _anyone_ who takes creationism seriously is that it
simply doesn't add up. Let's take my fav example, Ye Arke.
So, depending on what you use for a cubit, Ye Arke is about 450 feet long,75
wide, and 45 tall, right? I work best in metres, so lets do a bit of
conversion: that's 137.16 by 22.86 by 13.716 metres, right? For ease of
calculation, let's call it 140 x 23 x 14. This give you 45.080e+3 cubic
meters. One cubic meter of pure water is one metric tonne. Salt water is a
bit more dense. Be nice, add another thousand tonnes or so... Ye Arke
displaces 46,000 tonnes. Maybe 46,400 at max. And I'm being generous. (The
reader who knows something about ship-building will also spot a certain minor
problem with the above figures. No creationist has ever seen it... in part
'cause if it's corrected, things get worse for Ye Arke.)
Problem 1: The sheer size. HMS _Victory_, still preserved at Portsmouth, was
186 feet long on the gundeck. HMS _Victoria_, the last full-rigged 1strate
ship of the line to serve as flag of the Channel Fleet, built in 1859, was
250 feet long on the gundeck. And she had a steel frame because the RN had
found that building wooden ships much bigger than 225 feet long was not a
good idea because they tended to straddle or to hog on being launched; that
is, they tended to bend, their bows and sterns to stick up out of the water
at an angle, (that's straddling) or to bend the other way, the bows and
sterns supported by waves but the midships sections out of the water (or at
least not as well supported) (that's hogging) and either way their keels
tended to crack under the strain. Even with steel frames, wooden ships bigger
than 250 feet long tended to hog or straddle. Don't take my word for it, look
it up for yourself. One possible source: _The Wooden Fighting Ship In the
Royal Navy, 897-1860_, EHH Archibald, Blandford Press, London. Sorry, my copy
was published back before ISBNs. Edward Archibald was at the time of writing
the curator of the National Maritime Museum, Portsmouth, England. Or build a
wooden boat 250 feet long and see what happens. Ye Arke was the size of _two_
1st rate line of battleships, laid end-to-end. Noah was a shepherd. He knew
better than the shipwrights at Chatham who built the ships with which the RN
dominated the world for 150 years? If I'm wrong, and it is possible to build
a 450 foot wooden vessel, by all means demonstrate it. I'll even put up some
of the money... so long as I get to record the launch of said vessel. And so
long as those who say that such a craft would be safe are willing to stay on
it while it's being launched. Me, I figure that I'd get some _great_ pix.
Problem 2: Even though it's too big to work, Ye Arke is _too small_ to do its
job. Noah was at sea for a year. The Bible explicitly states that he carried
food for himself, his family, and the animals... where did he put it? John
Woodmorappe (who is, BTW, a creationist) in his book _Noah's Ark: A
Feasibility Study_, published by the Institute for Creation Research, El
Cajon, California, (the ICR is not merely creationist; it _requires_ that all
who work there take an oath that they feel that the Bible is inerrant, as
demonstrated on their web site) calculates that Noah's ark carried 5.5
million kilos by weight of animals. (I disagree with this figure, as it's
much too low, but for purposes of argument I'll use it.) He also estimates
that each animal, on average, ate one thirtieth of its body weight per day.
Let's see... 5.5 million kilos is 5,500 tonnes. Divide by 30, multiply by
365... 66.917x10^3. (Ye Arke was at sea for over a year, according to Gen 7
and 8. I'll just use one year to keep things simple and to give Woody as much
slack as possible. Wouldn't want anyone to say that I was railroading him.)
Hmm. 67 thousand tonnes of food, by Woody's own figures. But... if you
remember, we calculated that Ye Arke could displace a max of 46,000 tonnes,
or 46,400 if we were being generous. And that included the mass of the boat
itself, and the animals. (Archimedes' Principle, you know) Looks like y'all
need at least two Arkes just to carry the food. So where's the mention of the
Great Barge Fleet in the Bible? I once tried to work out just how big an Arke
would have had to have been to carry the assorted animals and their food and
have space for proper cages and exercise areas so that the animals' muscles
don't atrophy... after I got to 900,000 tonnes displacement and still hadn't
accounted for all the good stuff, I stopped. That's _three times the size of
a supertanker_. Or _nine times the size of a nuke aircraft carrier_. There's
simply no way that a wooden vessel could ever be that big. No way at all.
Problem 3: In order to get the mass of the animals down, Woody pared things
down. He tried to define 'kind' so as to have, say, one pair of cat-like what
evers, and have all present day cats, from house cats to lions, descendants
of that pair. Nice... except that doing it that way _requires_ evolution on a
scale so massive and rapid that _no_ evolutionary biologist would dare
suggest it. And Woody does that with _all_ animals... It's the only way he
could get 'em to fit.
Problem 4: Even after he pares down the list (he posits 15,754 'kinds') he
has a problem. In order for there to be physically enough space inside Ye
Arke, Woody uses the _median_ to work out the size of cages. He says that if
you have hippos, elephants, rats, and dogs, you can use the _median_ size
animal and build cages for 'em, and they'll all fit. The median size,
according to Woody, that of a sheep. Using that, he can shoehorn enough cages
into Ye Arke to hold his 15,754 kinds... but only just. And the cages would
be sized so that an animal in it would be able to stand up, but not move
about... which means it gets no exercise, and its muscles will atrophy. And
it won't live to see the end of the voyage. Unfortunately, Woody can't think
of any other way to fit 'em all in.
Problem 5: Remember that 67,000 tonnes of food? What goes in must come out...
Noah and his crew (all eight of 'em) are gonna be kinda busy moving that
67,000 tonnes in one end, and removing the whatever amount of tonnes of waste
products out the other. _Each_ member of the crew would have about 2,000
'kinds' of animals to feed every day... and remember, some of those, the
clean ones, would be in sevens, and the others in pairs. Let's see. 15,754
divided by eight is a tad over 1,969. Number of seconds/day is 86,400.Noah &
Co. had 43.875 _seconds_ per 'kind' per day if they worked continuously 24/7
for the year they were at sea to feed and clean 'em. Must've been trailing
bloody Cherenkov radiation as they ran about the boat, or at least sonic
booms. And, of course, if there were more 'kinds' than Woody's 15,754, Noah &
Co. would have had less time per 'kind', while if there were less 'kinds',
the hyperevolution problem would be worse.
Problem 6: Ye Floode itself. It covered the 'high hills and mountains'.
Hmm... Some creationists say that there was massive amounts of mountain
building post-Floode, which is why Everest, for example, is as tall as it is.
For the purposes of argument, I'll take 'em at their word. How tall _were_
the 'high hills and mountains', though? 100 feet? 1000 feet? 2000 feet? Well,
they'd better have been less than 250 feet, 'cause if you put that much water
above coral reefs, the reefs die. (You can check it for yourself.) Every
coral reef in the world should be dead... unless Noah carried a few corals
with him on Ye Arke, which gives him some extra problems. And which is not
supported by the Bible, anyway. It's easy to work out how much water would be
required for a Floode that size. Now, divide by 24 by 40, and you see how
much fell per hour in the 40 days and 40 nights... and that's one hell of a
lot of water, even if you restrict it to 250 feet extra. I've been in
hurricanes. They didn't dump anywhere _near_ that kind of water. Not even
within three orders of magnitude. No way a wooden boat's gonna survive that.
None. I won't bother go into varves, sandstones, and salt domes...
Problem 7: Plants. Not only would Noah have had to carry food for all the
animals (and, if predators such as tigers were then carnivores, this would
include extra animals to furnish food for said predators, while if they were
vegetarians, this would require extra fodder and an explanation as to when
and why they changed...) but he's gonna have to carry all the various plants
as well. All of them. Land plants don't care for major floods, and would all
die. Fresh-water plants don't like too much salt, and would all die. Marine
plants don't like too little salt and would all die. Estuary plants, who
don't care about the salt content, do care about water pressure... and would
all die long before the corals (see above) would. After Ye Floode would come
Ye Dust Storm, as the wind dries up the mud and blows away the topsoil
because there's no ground cover left to preserve it, it's all dead in Ye
Floode.
Problem 8: Aquatic life. Gen 7-8 simply does not mention aquatic life,
animals or plant. Perhaps fish don't have "the breath of life", as they don't
breath air, but whales and seals and such do. Did Noah carry whales and seals
on Ye Arke, too, and if so were they clean or unclean? (Whales are descended
from hooved, cud-chewing animals, and even still have multiple-chambered
stomachs, and so should be 'clean'; that's seven of 'em... Seals are, I
think, descended from weasels, so they might be 'unclean'.) The vast majority
of marine animals don't like it if there's too little salt, or too much water
pressure, or both; a Floode that could reach above Everest would kill them
all. (Some marine life _loves_ pressure, and die if there's too little, which
creates a different problem, see below) The vast majority of fresh-water
animals don't like it if there's too much salt, and are far less
pressure-resistant than marine life (how deep can you go in a lake, anyway?)
(except for Lake Baikal, that is...) so Ye Floode would kill them, too.
Worse, the Bible expressly states that all creatures not on board Ye Arke
died in Ye Floode. Noah now has to have large aquaria on his wooden barge...
I'm kinda curious as to how Noah kept the pressure on the tanks containing
the deep-ocean life, so that they wouldn't die from decompression. And how he
kept the seven whales happy. Let's see... a tank big enough to hold seven
whales, so that they could swim around and use their baleen plates to sift
out the plankton. And another tank to grow more plankton for 'em, as seven
whales are gonna eat a lot of plankton. Unless, of course, the whales can be
convinced to eat hay... I can see it now. No teeth, but eating hay. And, of
course, the toothed whales (sperm whales and the various dolphins) would have
to be kept away from the fish tanks, and if the dolphins include a killer
whale or two, away from the other whales and the seals... And there had
better not be any leopard seals in the seals, for similar reasons. How big is
this barge again?
Problem 9: Disease/parasites. Tapeworm, AIDs, leprosy, etc, they're all
living creatures too. If they were not on Ye Arke, they died. Some of them
_require_ a _living_ host. Which one or ones of Noah's crew carried herpes,
which hookworm, which Ebola? How about ticks, fleas, lice?
Problem #10: Latent heat of vaporisation. Do you know how much heat water
releases when it turns from vapour to liquid? Ever have a steam burn? 1g of
steam condenses to 1g of liquid water plus 2261 joules! A cubic meter of
water is a million grams and the surface of the Earth is 5.09 x 10^8 km2 or
5.09 x10^14 m2. Thus, if we drop a measely meter of water a day for 40days,
the amount of energy released is 2261 joules/g * 1,000,000 g/m3 *5.09*10^14
m3 per day or 1.15 * 10^24 joules a day or 249,300,000 megatonnes/day! The
Pentagon would envy such an arsenal. Put another way, for every m of water
level increase, we have to release 2.261 billion joules/m2. At a rate of 1
m/day, this comes to 2.261 billion joules/day/m2 or a radiance of 26
kilowatts/m2, roughly 20 times the brightness of the sun! Result: The
atmosphere rapidly turns into incandescent plasma incinerating Noah and Ye
Arke. Nothing survives, the oceans boil and the land is baked into pottery.
There's more, but this has gotten too long already. If you _really_ want to
see why I use that sig, check out the t.o FAQs and run the calcs for
yourself. It's not difficult to do. It's simple. Anyone who takes Ye Arke
seriously either hasn't done the math or can't add.
________________
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Anyone, anyone at all, who takes an Ark seriously is a few six-packs short of
a case.
Arthur
Cover everything with a TARP.
Allen Thomson
> Even with steel frames, wooden ships bigger than 250 feet long tended to hog or straddle.
Clearly the Ark's wooden structure was pervaded with and strengthened
by the Holy Spirit, just as Puppeteer General Products hulls'
interatomic bonds were artificially strengthened by a magic
forcefield.
Tim Bruening
"J.J. O'Shea" wrote:
Woody was a creationist, so he could have God evolve the survivors as quickly as
necessary. After all, I assume he had no problem with Earth being 6,000 years
old!
> Problem 4: Even after he pares down the list (he posits 15,754 'kinds') he
> has a problem. In order for there to be physically enough space inside Ye
> Arke, Woody uses the _median_ to work out the size of cages. He says that if
> you have hippos, elephants, rats, and dogs, you can use the _median_ size
> animal and build cages for 'em, and they'll all fit. The median size,
> according to Woody, that of a sheep. Using that, he can shoehorn enough cages
> into Ye Arke to hold his 15,754 kinds... but only just. And the cages would
> be sized so that an animal in it would be able to stand up, but not move
> about... which means it gets no exercise, and its muscles will atrophy. And
> it won't live to see the end of the voyage. Unfortunately, Woody can't think
> of any other way to fit 'em all in.
>
> Problem 5: Remember that 67,000 tonnes of food? What goes in must come out...
> Noah and his crew (all eight of 'em) are gonna be kinda busy moving that
> 67,000 tonnes in one end, and removing the whatever amount of tonnes of waste
> products out the other. _Each_ member of the crew would have about 2,000
> 'kinds' of animals to feed every day... and remember, some of those, the
> clean ones, would be in sevens, and the others in pairs. Let's see. 15,754
> divided by eight is a tad over 1,969. Number of seconds/day is 86,400.Noah &
> Co. had 43.875 _seconds_ per 'kind' per day if they worked continuously 24/7
> for the year they were at sea to feed and clean 'em. Must've been trailing
> bloody Cherenkov radiation as they ran about the boat, or at least sonic
> booms. And, of course, if there were more 'kinds' than Woody's 15,754, Noah &
> Co. would have had less time per 'kind', while if there were less 'kinds',
> the hyperevolution problem would be worse.
I propose that monkeys and other primates be drafted to help in the feeding and
cleaning of the other animals
Noah could carry lots of seeds.
> Problem 8: Aquatic life. Gen 7-8 simply does not mention aquatic life,
> animals or plant. Perhaps fish don't have "the breath of life", as they don't
> breath air, but whales and seals and such do. Did Noah carry whales and seals
> on Ye Arke, too, and if so were they clean or unclean? (Whales are descended
> from hooved, cud-chewing animals, and even still have multiple-chambered
> stomachs, and so should be 'clean'; that's seven of 'em... Seals are, I
> think, descended from weasels, so they might be 'unclean'.)
I have assumed that clean animals were domesticated animals used for food.
Whales aren't domesticated.
> The vast majority
> of marine animals don't like it if there's too little salt, or too much water
> pressure, or both; a Floode that could reach above Everest would kill them
> all. (Some marine life _loves_ pressure, and die if there's too little, which
> creates a different problem, see below) The vast majority of fresh-water
> animals don't like it if there's too much salt, and are far less
> pressure-resistant than marine life (how deep can you go in a lake, anyway?)
> (except for Lake Baikal, that is...) so Ye Floode would kill them, too.
> Worse, the Bible expressly states that all creatures not on board Ye Arke
> died in Ye Floode. Noah now has to have large aquaria on his wooden barge...
> I'm kinda curious as to how Noah kept the pressure on the tanks containing
> the deep-ocean life, so that they wouldn't die from decompression. And how he
> kept the seven whales happy. Let's see... a tank big enough to hold seven
> whales, so that they could swim around and use their baleen plates to sift
> out the plankton. And another tank to grow more plankton for 'em, as seven
> whales are gonna eat a lot of plankton. Unless, of course, the whales can be
> convinced to eat hay... I can see it now. No teeth, but eating hay. And, of
> course, the toothed whales (sperm whales and the various dolphins) would have
> to be kept away from the fish tanks, and if the dolphins include a killer
> whale or two, away from the other whales and the seals... And there had
> better not be any leopard seals in the seals, for similar reasons. How big is
> this barge again?
Trail the tanks behind the Ark?
> Problem 9: Disease/parasites. Tapeworm, AIDs, leprosy, etc, they're all
> living creatures too. If they were not on Ye Arke, they died. Some of them
> _require_ a _living_ host. Which one or ones of Noah's crew carried herpes,
> which hookworm, which Ebola? How about ticks, fleas, lice?
AIDS didn't exist back then. Did Ebola exist back then? The ticks, fleas, and
lice would ride on the fur of the land mammals.
> Problem #10: Latent heat of vaporisation. Do you know how much heat water
> releases when it turns from vapour to liquid? Ever have a steam burn? 1g of
> steam condenses to 1g of liquid water plus 2261 joules! A cubic meter of
> water is a million grams and the surface of the Earth is 5.09 x 10^8 km2 or
> 5.09 x10^14 m2. Thus, if we drop a measely meter of water a day for 40days,
> the amount of energy released is 2261 joules/g * 1,000,000 g/m3 *5.09*10^14
> m3 per day or 1.15 * 10^24 joules a day or 249,300,000 megatonnes/day! The
> Pentagon would envy such an arsenal. Put another way, for every m of water
> level increase, we have to release 2.261 billion joules/m2. At a rate of 1
> m/day, this comes to 2.261 billion joules/day/m2 or a radiance of 26
> kilowatts/m2, roughly 20 times the brightness of the sun! Result: The
> atmosphere rapidly turns into incandescent plasma incinerating Noah and Ye
> Arke. Nothing survives, the oceans boil and the land is baked into pottery.
Let God put a big shade between the Sun and the Earth. The Earth would cool off,
causing it to rain.
Wayne Throop
:: of the sun!
: Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
: Let God put a big shade between the Sun and the Earth. The Earth
: would cool off, causing it to rain.
So you've got it down to 19 times the heat of the sun.
Good luck with surviving 40 days (and nights) of that.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Quadibloc
> No, it's because he's learned how to post OT to thousands of groups!
Ah. I thought perhaps it was a sneaky post by means of which he would
prove that if I'm against building a Noah's Ark, then I am, or should
be, against space colonization or I do, or should, think that global
warming is bunk, and so on and so forth.
John Savard
Mike Stone
"Viivi" <vi...@eiroskapostia.fi> wrote in message
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> TB:
> > How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
> > building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
> > warning of a coming flood?
> >
> > What would you suggest the Congressman do to finance the Ark
> > construction project plus provide for the animals?
>
> Second question affects the answer to the first: If the financing is from
> private funds then I'd chuckle and turn the page. Just like with any
> other funny little newspaper story. Mind you, I wouldn't vote for him
> since clearly he's a bit too eccentric *), but others are free to choose
> their representatives however they wish. If OTOH he'd direct public
> funds to this enterprise in any form whatsoever then it's the time to
> bring out the torches and arrange the figurative lynch mobbing.
>
>
Unless you live in his district. It might bring in some employment and
business.
--
Mike Stone - Peterborough, England
"Freddie experienced the sort of abysmal soul-sadness which afflicts one of
Tolstoy's Russian peasants when, after putting in a heavy day's work
strangling his father, beating his wife, and dropping the baby in the
reservoir, he turns to the cupboard only to find the vodka bottle empty".
P G Wodehouse - Jill the Reckless
D_M
The first question is fairly straightforward, I would question his
sanity and demand that, if he wants my support he provide some sort of
evidence that this wetapocalypse is imminent and that a wooden ark is
the answer provided to him by God almighty. One thing everyone seems
to have left out is that he might have proof or evidence to convince
me God wants him to do this. That would have a significant effect on
my reactions. Obviously.
Robert Bannister
The most horrifying thought is that the media would seize on it with the
name "Floodgate".
--
Rob Bannister
Brian Davis
> Global warming would increase the sea level, leading to flooding of the
> low lands, making a Noah type Ark useful.
Or, you could just, you know... walk inland. Several inches per day
should keep you ahead of it nicely.
--
Brian Davis
nemo
"TB" <tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:d07b3a2a-8a86-4779...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
> building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
> warning of a coming flood?
>
> What would you suggest the Congressman do to finance the Ark
> construction project plus provide for the animals?
Fiddle their expenses?
nemo
"William George Ferguson" <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:sa8bc55r8mqe5c7f3...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:50:18 -0700 (PDT), TB <tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us>
> wrote:
>
>>How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
>>building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
>>warning of a coming flood?
>
>
> Even Noah's God didn't depend on a single breeding pair. Noah was
> instructed to board 7 pairs of each of the birds and 'clean' animals, and
> two pairs each of the 'unclean' animals
>
>>construction project plus provide for the animals?
>
>
> again destroy the world by flood.
>
> I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
> Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
> I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
> And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
> Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
> (Bene Gesserit)
You are Maude Dib's mum AICMFP!
nemo
>> wrote:
>>
>> >How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
>> >building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
>> >warning of a coming flood?
>>
>> I'd say he was a fraud that didn't know his bible.
>>
>> Even Noah's God didn't depend on a single breeding pair. Noah was
>> instructed to board 7 pairs of each of the birds and 'clean' animals, and
>> two pairs each of the 'unclean' animals
>>
>> >What would you suggest the Congressman do to finance the Ark
>> >construction project plus provide for the animals?
>>
>> Have the churches pay for it.
>>
>> Of course, there's the little matter of God's covenent, that he will
>> never
>> again destroy the world by flood.
>
> flood?
Or new clear war - or as is becoming apparent over here at least - arranging
that nobody at all can do their damned job properly anymore! It'd be a slow
grinding destruction but a destruction nonetheless.
nemo
My bank ain't rupt! It's been taken over by about the most secure bank in
the whole of Europe. San Dan Dare!
nemo
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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instead?
nemo
"Robert Bannister" <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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We got one of those across the River Thames. It goes by the name of Barry R.
Michael Price
wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:50:18 -0700 (PDT), TB <tsbru...@dcn.davis.ca.us>
> wrote:
>
> >How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
> >building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
> >warning of a coming flood?
>
>
> Even Noah's God didn't depend on a single breeding pair. Noah was
> instructed to board 7 pairs of each of the birds and 'clean' animals, and
> two pairs each of the 'unclean' animals
>
> >construction project plus provide for the animals?
>
>
> Of course, there's the little matter of God's covenent, that he will never
> again destroy the world by flood.
>
> I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
> Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
> I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
> And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
> Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
> (Bene Gesserit)
"No more water, fire next time
No more water, fire next time
No more water, fire next time
No more water, fire next time"
Gospel Wonders - Noah
William George Ferguson
wrote:
>Michael Price <nini...@yahoo.com> found these unused words:
>
>>On Oct 2, 5:19嚙緘m, William George Ferguson <wmgfr...@newsguy.com>
>>wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:50:18 -0700 (PDT), TB <tsbru...@dcn.davis.ca.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >How would you react if a Congressman (on a command from God) was
>>> >building a large ark, gathering two of each kind of animal, and
>>> >warning of a coming flood?
>>>
>>> I'd say he was a fraud that didn't know his bible.
>>>
>>> Even Noah's God didn't depend on a single breeding pair. 嚙瞇oah was
>>> instructed to board 7 pairs of each of the birds and 'clean' animals, and
>>> two pairs each of the 'unclean' animals
>>>
>>> >What would you suggest the Congressman do to finance the Ark
>>> >construction project plus provide for the animals?
>>>
>>> Have the churches pay for it.
>>>
>>> Of course, there's the little matter of God's covenent, that he will never
>>> again destroy the world by flood.
>>>
>>> --
>>> I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
>>> Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
>>> I will face my fear. 嚙瘢 will permit it to pass over me and through me.
>>> And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
>>> Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. 嚙瞌nly I will remain.
>>> (Bene Gesserit)
>>
>>"No more water, fire next time
>>No more water, fire next time
>>No more water, fire next time
>>No more water, fire next time"
>>Gospel Wonders - Noah
>
>Fire in the whole ...
>
>SCAFFI's seem determined to prove that with their copycat arsonists!
Because it's so obvious that someone needs to do it:
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
'snowball' isn't exactly water in the old testament sense