BEST SCI-FI Films of ALL TIME List
zero...@yahoo.com
01. Empire Strikes Back
02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
03. Aliens: Special Edition
04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
05. E.T.
06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
10. The Abyss: Special Edition
11. Poltergeist
12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
13. Robocop
14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
Almost all of these movies have a strong inside/emotion story attached
to them, but also remembering to include an original outside/action
story. Another interesting thing, all of these movies (well, except
for Akira -- it had some nice ones but it repeated too often) have a
strong musical score. So either the composers loved these films while
composing their pieces making them inspired to write great work, or
incredible conincidence. Or maybe, if you have a catchy score, with
emotion moments in them you can make a film great...interesting.
Well can anyone see the patterns of movies i am listing and add some
of your favorites so i can go pick them up and check them out as well.
zero...@yahoo.com
Michael Chen
> All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
>
> 01. Empire Strikes Back
> 02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
> 03. Aliens: Special Edition
> 04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
> 05. E.T.
> 06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
> 07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
> 08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
> 09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
> 10. The Abyss: Special Edition
> 11. Poltergeist
> 12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
> 13. Robocop
> 14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
>
> Well can anyone see the patterns of movies i am listing and add some
> of your favorites so i can go pick them up and check them out as well.
What about "Contact"? And I don't see how the Indiana Jones movies are
"Sci-Fi".
Nando
zero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
>
> 01. Empire Strikes Back
> 02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
> 03. Aliens: Special Edition
> 04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
> 05. E.T.
> 06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
> 07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
> 08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
> 09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
> 10. The Abyss: Special Edition
> 11. Poltergeist
> 12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
> 13. Robocop
> 14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
>
>
This is a joke isn't it?
04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade; not real SF but adventure. just funny,
not good
07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country: one big catastrophy
09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark: good film, but non SF
11. Poltergeist: horror, but one of the best, not SF
13. Robocop: one of the worst SF movies
Let me give my list:
01. Twelve Monkeys (wonderfull in it's complexity)
02. Star Wars (of course)
03. Alien I (horrible)
04. Terminator I (on the egde of my seat)
05. Blade Runner (classic)
06. The Empire Strikes Back (let SW go on)
07. Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind (classic, realistic)
08. Star Trek, The Wrath of Khan (the best in the ST films, a real story)
09. 2001, A Space Odyssey (classic)
10. Coneheads (just fun)
Other good movies,
Akira
Return of the Jedi
Alien II and III
Terminator II
ET (?)
The Abyss
Mad Max I
Waterworld (unbelievable but true)
The Fifth Element
Star Trek First Contact
Star Trek Generations
But it's just a matter of taste
Nando
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Han
>All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
>
>01. Empire Strikes Back
I agree with Empire Strikes Back as #1, but Star Wars not on the list?
Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country? To me that was okay but forgettable.
I can't find The Abyss to be any better than Deep Rising, Leviathon, or
Sphere. Either way, it's all a matter of opinion, mine being as whack as
anyone else's.
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Michael Chen
> zero...@yahoo.com wrote in message <362a9ed7...@news.sprint.ca>...
> >01. Empire Strikes Back
> >07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
> >10. The Abyss: Special Edition
>
> I agree with Empire Strikes Back as #1, but Star Wars not on the list?
> Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country? To me that was okay but forgettable.
> I can't find The Abyss to be any better than Deep Rising, Leviathon, or
> Sphere. Either way, it's all a matter of opinion, mine being as whack as
> anyone else's.
>
I couldn't find Leviathon in the IMDb (did you spell it right?). Sorry to spoil
your enthusiasm, but both Sphere and Deep Rising are rather unpopular films -
both getting about 4 or 5 out of 10 from the public and 1.5 stars from the
critics.
Matthew Filla
>All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
>
>01. Empire Strikes Back
>02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
>03. Aliens: Special Edition
>04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
>05. E.T.
>06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
>07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
>08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
>09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
>10. The Abyss: Special Edition
>11. Poltergeist
>12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
>13. Robocop
>14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
Ummm...looking...looking...nope, no Blade Runner. You left off the
best one.
I practically fell asleep during the first Star Trek movie
And Indiana Jones isn't sci-fi.
Matt
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coj...@110.net
I add:
Forbidden Planet
Fahrenheit 451
Predator
THX 1138
Gattaca
The Blob
1984
Robinson Crusoe on Mars
The Time Machine
20,000 Leagues Beneath the Sea
Jurassic Park
Silent Running
Soylent Green
The Postman
City of the Lost Children
Le Dernier Combat
H Man
Invasion of the Saucermen
The Challenge
And if I could remeber the title to this one, I would win a prize.
Toshiro Mifune as a WWII sub captain who hid out with his crew for 30 years
on an island refitting his sub into a futuristic superweapon. Set in the
1960's near future, he returns to save the world from an attempted takeover
by the lost Atlanteans culture called Mu. It is Japanese, in color, a romp,
and very enjoyable. <They never say why he had refitted his sub this
way.....what were those sailors up to if the Mu hadn't come along!>
Tom
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Han
>I couldn't find Leviathon in the IMDb (did you spell it right?). Sorry to
spoil
>your enthusiasm, but both Sphere and Deep Rising are rather unpopular
films -
>both getting about 4 or 5 out of 10 from the public and 1.5 stars from the
>critics.
>
Whoops, I think it's spelled Leviathan with an 'a' before the 'n'.
I think if you look around the internet, most reviews of the Sphere:Special
Edition DVD said it was surprisingly decent for a movie that got slammed by
the professional critics. That's probably due in part to the high
expectations and big hype during the theatrical run. Since I didn't really
get caught up in that hype, I didn't care too much about it until I saw it
cheap on DVD, so I got it. Sphere is not bad in my opinion. I don't think
it or any of the other "stuff beneath the ocean" movies are much better than
one another.
It really doesn't matter what "the public" says, and I never agree with any
one critic all of the time. But Rex Reed comes close:)
What do you think? That opinion is more valid than what others think.
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Rob Taylor
<matthe...@teldta.com> writes
>On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:09:26 GMT, zero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
>>
>>01. Empire Strikes Back
>>02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
>>03. Aliens: Special Edition
>>04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
>>05. E.T.
>>06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
>>07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
>>08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
>>09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
>>10. The Abyss: Special Edition
>>11. Poltergeist
>>12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
>>13. Robocop
>>14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
>
>Ummm...looking...looking...nope, no Blade Runner. You left off the
>best one.
>
>I practically fell asleep during the first Star Trek movie
>
Hideously cheaply done, but a classic worthy of anybody's list.
You just don't get scenes like the philosophical discourse between man
and bomb anymore...
--
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Matthew Filla
<r...@houdini.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <362b4218....@news.teldta.com>, Matthew Filla
><matthe...@teldta.com> writes
>>I practically fell asleep during the first Star Trek movie
>>
>Hmmm, me too. I can't believe nobody has mentioned Dark Star yet.
>Hideously cheaply done, but a classic worthy of anybody's list.
>
>You just don't get scenes like the philosophical discourse between man
>and bomb anymore...
Heh. I'd forgotten about that one. I saw it in a small room in the
campus student union. Very entertaining.
j
>What about "Contact"?
"Contact" was wooden, pretentious, boring and the film
worked WAY too hard on the religious angle. The individual
actors were good, but the sum of their efforts ... well ...
-j
zero...@yahoo.com
>zero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
>>
>> 01. Empire Strikes Back
>> 02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
>> 03. Aliens: Special Edition
>> 04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
>> 05. E.T.
>> 06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
>> 07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
>> 08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
>> 09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
>> 10. The Abyss: Special Edition
>> 11. Poltergeist
>> 12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
>> 13. Robocop
>> 14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
>>
>> Well can anyone see the patterns of movies i am listing and add some
>> of your favorites so i can go pick them up and check them out as well.
>
>What about "Contact"? And I don't see how the Indiana Jones movies are
>"Sci-Fi".
>
Yea, i wasn't sure about the Indiana Jones movies but i thought they
were pretty cool.
BTW i fogot to include SUPERMAN- Special Edition. This is an Oscar
nomination definitely. It was written by Mario Puzo the writer of
Godfather. Great job.
Superman would be my #2 film. Once again, Superman isn't a sci-fi
flick but it is one damn fine film.
BTW i was considering Contact as well. The reason i didn't is because
there were elements of the book that they still should have added into
the movie and parts in the movie that should have been left out. It is
still a good movie, not a great movie though.
wkw...@nospam.airmail.net
that Blade Runner is way up there. Closely followed by Close
Encounters, Clockwork Orange (it's considered sci-fi), and 2001.
WKW
Paradox
made.
Michael Chen
In constrast to you, I DO have critics that I trust. The two main ones being
James Berardinelli and Ebert. If BOTH of them gave a film less than 2 stars,
there is about a 1 in 1000 chance of me liking it. (It hasn't happened yet.)
Joe26
>All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
>
>01. Empire Strikes Back
>02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
>03. Aliens: Special Edition
>04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
>05. E.T.
>06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
>07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
>08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
>09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
>10. The Abyss: Special Edition
>11. Poltergeist
>12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
>13. Robocop
>14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
Gotta agree with ESB at #1. It is too often overshadowed by the
original or they are usually all grouped together as The Holy Trilogy.
It's good to see someone else seperate it out from the other two.
Star Trek 1 was probably the weakest of the series. The Abyss was
average. You're missing some obvious classics like Planet of the Apes
and Blade Runner. I also thoroughly enjoyed Starship Troopers. A lot
of people didn't, but I thought it was one of the mmost entertaining 2
hours I've spent at the movies in a long time. It was so much better
than the usual weak summer blockbusters like ID4, MIB, Godzilla, etc.
I hope Verhoeven gives up on his soft-porn projects like Showgirls and
Basic Instinct and gets back to what he does best: RoboCop, Total
Recall and Starship Troopers.
Nicolai P. Zwar
"Blade Runner" (Director's Cut): One of the very very few Hollywood
movies that actually deserves to be called "Science Fiction", not just
Sci-Fi (those who read as well know what I mean).
"2001-A Space Odyssey": Kubrik set the standard of what CAN be done.
Sadly, he had few imitators.
"Star Wars": George Lucas' homage to the old pulp SF and serials remains
by far the best of all the eye-popping space operas.
"Planet of the Apes": A great SF adventure flick. A bunch of astronauts
stranded on a far away (or not so far) planet have to find out what's
going on. Not all that new, no, but entertaining and occasionally even
thoughtful.
"Alien": The best of the monster SF.
"Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bomb":
The funniest SF film ever made.
"Fahrenheit 451": Truffout's demonstration that you don't need a lot of
special effects or rubber masks to make a convincing and thoughtful SF
film.
"Silent Running": An "ecological warning" film, yet never preachy;
instead, it concentrates on the central character, who has to choose
between human fellowship and the remains of Earth's biotope. Neither
choice can satisfy.
"The Terminator": Drive-in action trash for sure, but wow! with what a
pace. Much superior to its overblown sequel.
"Invasion of the Body Snatchers": Of the three incarnations this story
has seen on the big screen, I favor Philip Kaufman's moody analogy about
the loss of humanity and how little it might even matter.
As usual, all choices are subject to change without further notice and
represent simply the top ten list that jumped to the author's mind while
writing this post.
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Bill Pierre
>01. Empire Strikes Back
>02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
>03. Aliens: Special Edition
>04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
>05. E.T.
>06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
>07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
>08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
>09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
>10. The Abyss: Special Edition
>11. Poltergeist
>12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
>13. Robocop
>14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
Any way for my contribution, I suggest Forbidden Planet and Day the Earth Stood Still (Gort Klatu Barada Nicto!!)
Charles L Isbell
> Gotta agree with ESB at #1. It is too often overshadowed by the
> original or they are usually all grouped together as The Holy Trilogy.
> It's good to see someone else seperate it out from the other two.
I guess I buy that.
> Star Trek 1 was probably the weakest of the series. The Abyss was
> average.
Oh my god, no. Star Trek V was the worst. Star Trek suffered
mightily from being boring, but it was a masterpiece compared to 5 &
7.
> You're missing some obvious classics like Planet of the Apes
> and Blade Runner.
Never was impressed by PotA, but Blade Runner is up there in the top
for sure.
> I also thoroughly enjoyed Starship Troopers. A lot
> of people didn't, but I thought it was one of the mmost entertaining 2
> hours I've spent at the movies in a long time. It was so much better
> than the usual weak summer blockbusters like ID4, MIB, Godzilla, etc.
Oh, I'll take MiB for sheer fun. There was nothing pretentious about
it; it was comedy and it had fun with its premise.
> I hope Verhoeven gives up on his soft-porn projects like Showgirls and
> Basic Instinct and gets back to what he does best: RoboCop, Total
> Recall and Starship Troopers.
Total Recall was a lot like soft porn... just kidding.
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>
>Any way for my contribution, I suggest Forbidden Planet and Day the
>Earth Stood Still (Gort Klatu Barada Nicto!!)
>
That's KLAATU..(& people say I don't have a life.....)
Toad
wkw...@nospam.airmail.net
>"Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bomb":
>The funniest SF film ever made.
D'oh! Completely forgot about that one...
WKW
Doug Tricarico
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Except that it isn't SF... other than that, great flick.
Doug
Scott and Doug Craig
> Basic Instinct and gets back to what he does best: RoboCop, Total
> Recall and Starship Troopers.
>
I'd rather see Verhoeven rot then make another movie. Although Robocop was
entertaining, Total Recall was pretty worthless, and Starship Troopers was
a disgrace (Heinlein's turning over in his grave!)
Doug
ShadowStarŠ
>I don't see how the Indiana Jones movies are
>"Sci-Fi".
Neither do I. Here's my list:
1. Star Wars: A New Hope
2. Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
3. Forbidden Planet
4. The Day the Earth Stood Still
5. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
6. A Clockwork Orange
7. Fantastic Voyage (1966, Richard Fleischer, Dir.)
8. Planet of the Apes (1968, F.J. Schaffner, Dir.)
9. 2001: A Space Odyssey
10. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956, Don Siegel, Dir.)
Michael Chen
Almost total agreement. I haven't seen Robocop, and judging by his latest
movies (if you would call them that), I don't think I want to.
Michael Chen
1. E.T: the Extra Terrestrial
2. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (I'm going to cop a lot for this!)
3. Contact
4. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
5. Alien
6. Aliens
7. The Empire Strikes Back
8. The Terminator
Annemiek van den Heuvel
1. 2001 : A space Odessy
2. The Androma strain
3. 2010: space odessy
4. Close encounters of the third kind
5. The abyss
6. Dr. Strangelove
7. Startrek : Generations
8. Contact
9. The fifth element
10. E.T. the extraterrestrial
11. Terminator 1
12. Terminator 2
13. Videodrome
14. King Kong (1933)
15. Dreamscape
16. Dune the movie
17. The twelve monkeys
18. Starman
19. MIB
20. Armageddon
There are more old sf-movies that i like,but i don't know the titles.
Annemiek
Nicolai P. Zwar
Well, granted, it is certainly a borderline case. There's no real
"future" technology there even for 1964, except perhaps the "Doomsday
Machine". It's basically a satire. However, it is mentioned in pretty
much every science fiction lexicon there is, and for good reason: The
politics in the film are an exaggerated extrapolation of the "cold war"
politics (this is also a theme of science fiction, take "1984" by
Orwell, for instance, which's only claim to SF is its overblown
"Stalinistic" State and future wars), the white house war room has some
futuristic touches, implying that the story takes places in the (very
near) future, and the film ends with the beginning of World War III, or
the end of the world, so it CAN be considered SF (and that's why I
included it), depending on where you draw the line. "Twilight's Last
Gleaming" or "Seven Days in May" are even usually mentioned in SF
lexica, even though they are just polit thrillers with some SLIGHT
allusions to SF scenarios. I'd rather include "Strangelove" than leave
it out.
Lon Ponschock
>Yep....no Blade Runner....I am also most disappointed! The best SF ever
>made.
Yep, no FORBIDEN PLANET either. Best SF for it's day or
any other.
Many of the more 'quiet films' made are not listed
either lile THE HANDMAIDS TALE or my new
favorite for the all-timer's list: DARK CITY.
lon
Lon Ponschock
>> Basic Instinct and gets back to what he does best: RoboCop, Total
>> Recall and Starship Troopers.
>>
>I'd rather see Verhoeven rot then make another movie. Although Robocop was
>entertaining, Total Recall was pretty worthless, and Starship Troopers was
>a disgrace (Heinlein's turning over in his grave!)
>Doug
I'd put Gus Van Sant on the rotter list as well, from my
personal waste of time at his features... all of them.
lon
However I think TOTAL RECALL like DARK CITY takes
multiple viewings to appreciate.
The Nixtr
> All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
>
> 02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
> 03. Aliens: Special Edition
> 04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
> 05. E.T.
> 06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
> 07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
> 08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
> 09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
> 10. The Abyss: Special Edition
> 11. Poltergeist
> 12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
> 13. Robocop
> 14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
RESPONSE: where the heck is 2001: A Space Odyssey on this list?
Maybe you can scratch ALIENS or ROBOCOP off the list for it.
The Nixtr
While most don't agree Ridley Scott's Alien is a far better story than
Cameron's Aliens. It seems to me that these "ten-best"
list favor special effects over good story telling. Maybe that's why
Planet of the Apes isn't listed.
RESPONSE: Yeah, that's why we have stuff like Robocop and Akira and
Aliens and such on his list. May as well add STARSHIP TROOPERS. I
thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but I definitely know it's NOT for the
story.
arthur_sc...@my-dejanews.com
> >>
> >> 01. Empire Strikes Back
> >> 02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
> >> 03. Aliens: Special Edition
> >> 04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
> >> 05. E.T.
> >> 06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
> >> 07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
> >> 08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
> >> 09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
> >> 10. The Abyss: Special Edition
> >> 11. Poltergeist
> >> 12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
> >> 13. Robocop
> >> 14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
> >>
> >> of your favorites so i can go pick them up and check them out as well.
> >
> >"Sci-Fi".
> >
Any Sci-Fi list without 2001 is woefully incomplete.
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Judge Dredd
Waterworld
All Franchise material films that were handled poorly by those behind the
camera.
Luke
What did you think of Contact?
Just wandering. I thought it was the best ever!!!
Cheers
Luke
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Bingo, right out of the ballpark. I think most of the other lists are
faux SCI-FI.
The only one omitted for me is "Forbidden Planet". Dated true, but the first
really great sci-fi film I can remember. Monsters from the ID? Good stuff.
Bob Cohen
In article <362ce...@news.piro.net>,
nicola...@pironet.de wrote:
> My own top ten list on this subject matter:
>
> "Blade Runner" (Director's Cut): One of the very very few Hollywood
> movies that actually deserves to be called "Science Fiction", not just
> Sci-Fi (those who read as well know what I mean).
>
> "2001-A Space Odyssey": Kubrik set the standard of what CAN be done.
> Sadly, he had few imitators.
>
> "Star Wars": George Lucas' homage to the old pulp SF and serials remains
> by far the best of all the eye-popping space operas.
>
> "Planet of the Apes": A great SF adventure flick. A bunch of astronauts
> stranded on a far away (or not so far) planet have to find out what's
> going on. Not all that new, no, but entertaining and occasionally even
> thoughtful.
>
> "Alien": The best of the monster SF.
>
> "Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bomb":
> The funniest SF film ever made.
>
> "Fahrenheit 451": Truffout's demonstration that you don't need a lot of
> special effects or rubber masks to make a convincing and thoughtful SF
> film.
>
> "Silent Running": An "ecological warning" film, yet never preachy;
> instead, it concentrates on the central character, who has to choose
> between human fellowship and the remains of Earth's biotope. Neither
> choice can satisfy.
>
> "The Terminator": Drive-in action trash for sure, but wow! with what a
> pace. Much superior to its overblown sequel.
>
> "Invasion of the Body Snatchers": Of the three incarnations this story
> has seen on the big screen, I favor Philip Kaufman's moody analogy about
> the loss of humanity and how little it might even matter.
>
> As usual, all choices are subject to change without further notice and
> represent simply the top ten list that jumped to the author's mind while
> writing this post.
>
> --
> Nicolai P. Zwar
>
> Remove "NOT THESE FOUR WORDS" to reply.
>
> It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with
> potatoes.
> (From "Life, the Universe and Everything" by Douglas Adams)
>
>
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2)doesn't know, I haven't seen contact
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THESE FOUR WORDSpironet.de> writes:
>
>Doug Tricarico wrote:
>>
>> In
>>
<368730F3922D899B.3841C76B...@library-proxy.airne
>> s.net> wkw...@NOSPAM.airmail.net writes:
>> >
>> >
>> Bomb":
>> >>The funniest SF film ever made.
>> >
>> >
>> >WKW
>>
>> Except that it isn't SF... other than that, great flick.
>
>
>Well, granted, it is certainly a borderline case. There's no real
>"future" technology there even for 1964, except perhaps the "Doomsday
>Machine". It's basically a satire. However, it is mentioned in pretty
>much every science fiction lexicon there is, and for good reason: The
>politics in the film are an exaggerated extrapolation of the "cold
war"
>politics (this is also a theme of science fiction, take "1984" by
>Orwell, for instance, which's only claim to SF is its overblown
>"Stalinistic" State and future wars), the white house war room has
some
>futuristic touches, implying that the story takes places in the (very
>near) future, and the film ends with the beginning of World War III,
or
>the end of the world, so it CAN be considered SF (and that's why I
>included it), depending on where you draw the line. "Twilight's Last
>Gleaming" or "Seven Days in May" are even usually mentioned in SF
>lexica, even though they are just polit thrillers with some SLIGHT
>allusions to SF scenarios. I'd rather include "Strangelove" than leave
>it out.
>
>--
>Nicolai P. Zwar
Very good points. I am swayed enough to let it into the Sf genre.
Doug
Peter Lowry
> Is this only for oldies?
> What did you think of Contact?
I agree with you on this one.. Contact was an excellent movie, and
deserves to be on the list with the other best Sci-fi movies.
Peter
pet...@ms.com
rco...@servicesoft.com wrote:
>
>
> Bingo, right out of the ballpark. I think most of the other lists are
> faux SCI-FI.
>
> The only one omitted for me is "Forbidden Planet". Dated true, but the first
> really great sci-fi film I can remember. Monsters from the ID? Good stuff.
>
> Bob Cohen
>
Might swell throw in A Journey to the Center of the Earth,
This Island Earth, and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
Pjk
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1)Star Wars
*Although Emprire Strikes Back is the best SW film, this film changed my life.
2)Metropolis
3)La Jetee
4)Empire Strikes Back
5)Alien
6)Clockwork Orange
7)Blade Runner
8)War of the Worlds
9)2001: A Space Odyssey
10)Mars Attacks
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message wasn't lost somewhere in the transition to film. There's a
bunch of naysayers who can't find any film good and were giving contact
bad reviews, but I even found a bad review for saving private ryan.
Luke wrote:
> Is this only for oldies?
> What did you think of Contact?
>
> Just wandering. I thought it was the best ever!!!
>
> Cheers
> Luke
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Helen & Bob
Joe26 wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:09:26 GMT, zero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
> >
> >01. Empire Strikes Back
> >02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
> >03. Aliens: Special Edition
> >04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
> >05. E.T.
> >06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
> >07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
> >08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
> >09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
> >10. The Abyss: Special Edition
> >11. Poltergeist
> >12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
> >13. Robocop
> >14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
>
Your list is very shallow. Have you ever seen "the Day the Earth Stood
Still" or any other of the classics made before computers?? You left out
the most influential filf for your entire list, the one that if IT had not
been made, most lilely none of your list would exist, namely 2001 a
space Oddessy. And if you have only seen it on video, you have really
missed the sweep and grandeur of the film. Study film for another 10 or
20 years before you try another "best of all time" list. You did not
consider all of the time that movies have been made.
Bob
Helen & Bob
Nicolai P. Zwar wrote:
> My own top ten list on this subject matter:
>
> "Blade Runner" (Director's Cut): One of the very very few Hollywood
>
> "2001-A Space Odyssey": Kubrik set the standard of what CAN be done.
>
> "Star Wars": George Lucas' homage to the old pulp SF and serials
>
> "Planet of the Apes": A great SF adventure flick. A bunch of astronauts
> ""Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the
>
>
> "Fahrenheit 451": Truffout's demonstration that you don't need a lot of
> "Silent Running": An "ecological warning" film, yet never preachy;
>
>
> "The Terminator": Drive-in action trash for sure, but wow! with what a
> "Invasion of the Body Snatchers": Of the three incarnations this story
>
>
> As usual, all choices are subject to change without further notice and
> represent simply the top ten list that jumped to the author's mind while
> writing this post.
> -
> Nicolai P. Zwar
>
> Out of all the responses, the first adult one. Good List. Might have, no
> Would have put in 'The day the Earth Stood Still" for a thinking persons
> film. No Color, almost no special effects, just damn fine Science
> Fiction.And it deserved the full spelling, not just SF. The trouble is, I
> think, that most on the people contributing to this list have never seen
> the film.
Bob
>
>
Helen & Bob
Joe26 wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:09:26 GMT, zero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
> >
> >01. Empire Strikes Back
> >02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
> >03. Aliens: Special Edition
> >04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
> >05. E.T.
> >06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
> >07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
> >08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
> >09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
> >10. The Abyss: Special Edition
> >11. Poltergeist
> >12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
> >13. Robocop
> >14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
>
> Gotta agree with ESB at #1. It is too often overshadowed by the
> original or they are usually all grouped together as The Holy Trilogy.
> It's good to see someone else seperate it out from the other two.
> Star Trek 1 was probably the weakest of the series. The Abyss was
> average. You're missing some obvious classics like Planet of the Apes
> and Blade Runner. I also thoroughly enjoyed Starship Troopers. A lot
> of people didn't, but I thought it was one of the mmost entertaining 2
> hours I've spent at the movies in a long time. It was so much better
> than the usual weak summer blockbusters like ID4, MIB, Godzilla, etc.
> I hope Verhoeven gives up on his soft-porn projects like Showgirls and
roadrnnr
>
>Bob
>
>>
>>
>
nice, only 3 letters have you written..
Thats bob , wow
Nicolai P. Zwar
>
> Bingo, right out of the ballpark. I think most of the other lists are
> faux SCI-FI.
>
> The only one omitted for me is "Forbidden Planet". Dated true, but the first
> really great sci-fi film I can remember. Monsters from the ID? Good stuff.
"Forbidden Planet" - of course! Shakespeare and robots. I love that
film. "Monsters from the ID"..."Monsters from the ID"... Can't place the
title right now (though I heard it, and I'm almost sure I even saw it).
The thing is, I try to keep my top ten lists down to ten (so there are
always omissions), make 'em diverse, and change them anytime I want.
They are a lot of fun, and don't have much meaning. "Forbidden Planet"
always has a chance of popping up. ;-)
Dimitris Tsallas
>Michael Chen wrote in message <362B3318...@oe.net.au>...
>>I couldn't find Leviathon in the IMDb (did you spell it right?). Sorry to
>spoil
>>your enthusiasm, but both Sphere and Deep Rising are rather unpopular
>films -
>>both getting about 4 or 5 out of 10 from the public and 1.5 stars from the
>>critics.
>>
>
>Whoops, I think it's spelled Leviathan with an 'a' before the 'n'.
>
>I think if you look around the internet, most reviews of the Sphere:Special
>Edition DVD said it was surprisingly decent for a movie that got slammed by
>the professional critics. That's probably due in part to the high
>expectations and big hype during the theatrical run. Since I didn't really
>get caught up in that hype, I didn't care too much about it until I saw it
>cheap on DVD, so I got it. Sphere is not bad in my opinion. I don't think
>it or any of the other "stuff beneath the ocean" movies are much better than
>one another.
Sphere was way too naive for my taste. Actor performances were
substandard coming from someone like Dustin Hoffman and Sharon Stone
(I thought Samuel Jackson was pretty good). All in all way below The
Abyss in my book. Leviathan was also a bit boring compared to The
Abyss. Nevertheless I don't consider the Abyss to be a top-10 film,
but it's certainly the best among the deep-sea SF.
>
>It really doesn't matter what "the public" says, and I never agree with any
>one critic all of the time. But Rex Reed comes close:)
>
>What do you think? That opinion is more valid than what others think.
Dimitris Tsallas
(Replace .wrong with .gr to reply)
http://www.scifi.gr (Phantis award, Lynx top 3% award,
Startpoint Selected Site, CHIP Magazine Top-3)
(greek language only)
Dimitris Tsallas
Harmsen"@nl.uniphase.com> wrote:
>Let me give my list:
>
>01. Twelve Monkeys (wonderfull in it's complexity)
>02. Star Wars (of course)
>03. Alien I (horrible)
>04. Terminator I (on the egde of my seat)
>05. Blade Runner (classic)
>06. The Empire Strikes Back (let SW go on)
>07. Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind (classic, realistic)
>08. Star Trek, The Wrath of Khan (the best in the ST films, a real story)
>09. 2001, A Space Odyssey (classic)
>10. Coneheads (just fun)
No one values Brazil? I believe it is better than 12 Monkeys, probably
the best Gilliam movie so far. Unfortunately I don't have time to
analyze the movie's values, but it would certainly be in my top-10.
greg...@xmission.com
> > On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:09:26 GMT, zero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > >All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
> > >
> > >01. Empire Strikes Back
> > >02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
> > >03. Aliens: Special Edition
> > >04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
> > >05. E.T.
> > >06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
> > >07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
> > >08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
> > >09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
> > >10. The Abyss: Special Edition
> > >11. Poltergeist
> > >12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
> > >13. Robocop
> > >14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
Are we to believe that the Indiana Jones films are somehow sci-fi?
Greg
Wenchi Liao
Helen & Bob
Wenchi Liao wrote:
> Heh...it's Silent Bob!
Interesting. Two comments regarding that I have not written in this group
before, but none on the content of the messages. Are you of the opinion that
quantity equals quality?? If you disagree with content, then we can discuss
content. If you want to discuss how often I contribute, that may be because I am
new to this ng, or there has been nothing prior that I wanted to comment upon.
Your choice. My comments were made based on what was being chosen as "all time
best", but seem to ignore the greats of a few decades ago. IF you are serious
about film, then you should review the pioneer films if only to reject them, but
at least have a basis of comparison.
Some of the films shown as best are sheer junk, some are excellent choices. The
problem, as I see it, is that in lists of "best", there should be no junk.
Bob
Howard Brazee
CENTER OF THE EARTH.
Although they both have been filmed more than once.
Aurelian
>jo...@usa.net (Joe26) writes:
>> Gotta agree with ESB at #1. It is too often overshadowed by the
>> original or they are usually all grouped together as The Holy Trilogy.
>> It's good to see someone else seperate it out from the other two.
>
>
>> Star Trek 1 was probably the weakest of the series. The Abyss was
>> average.
>
>mightily from being boring, but it was a masterpiece compared to 5 &
>7.
Agreed, but I have to say that 7 is far and away the worst. I mean, could
they have written a more pathetic, worthless death for Captain Kirk? A
complete disgrace IMHO.
>> You're missing some obvious classics like Planet of the Apes
>> and Blade Runner.
>
>Never was impressed by PotA, but Blade Runner is up there in the top
>for sure.
After seeing the Apes marathon on AMC I am convinced that the series has far
more intrinsic merit than just goofy camp sci-fi. There are definitely some
strong, timely socio-political messages that are made throughout the series.
>> I also thoroughly enjoyed Starship Troopers. A lot
>> of people didn't, but I thought it was one of the mmost entertaining 2
>> hours I've spent at the movies in a long time. It was so much better
>> than the usual weak summer blockbusters like ID4, MIB, Godzilla, etc.
>
>Oh, I'll take MiB for sheer fun. There was nothing pretentious about
>it; it was comedy and it had fun with its premise.
Ugh. MiB was the most pointless 90 minutes of my life.
>> I hope Verhoeven gives up on his soft-porn projects like Showgirls and
>> Basic Instinct and gets back to what he does best: RoboCop, Total
>> Recall and Starship Troopers.
>
>Total Recall was a lot like soft porn... just kidding.
I'd like to see Robocop vs. Terminator myself.
A
Aurelian
Bill Pierre wrote in message <362D1C28...@voicenet.com>...
>01. Empire Strikes Back
>02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
>03. Aliens: Special Edition
>04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
>05. E.T.
>06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
>07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
>08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
>09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
>10. The Abyss: Special Edition
>11. Poltergeist
>12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
>13. Robocop
>14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
While most don't agree Ridley Scott's Alien is a far better story than Cameron's Aliens. It seems to me that these "ten-best" list favor special effects over good story telling. Maybe that's why Planet of the Apes isn't listed.
Alien is hardly an original story. It is basically the standard "slasher in a dark house stalks and kills a group of innocent victims one by one" plot transposed to a spaceship with a nifty monster as the antagonist. Yes, there is some nice set design and camerawork. The monster also has some interesting sexually suggestive aspects about it as well. However, Cameron utilizes all of these elements at least as effectively in Aliens and provides a far more emotionally wrenching experience. That's my $0.02.
A
j
like "Metropolis" or "The Shape of Things
to Come" ... originality counts for something.
-j
danger...@my-dejanews.com
My list of faves (in no particular order)
*Blade Runner - my all time favorite, mind you I prefer the original to the
director's cut, I LIKED the voice overs.
*Alien - loved the suspense and claustrophobia of this movie
*Aliens - non-stop heart pounding action, although it's really just an action
movie with some sci-fi thrown in
*Planet of the Apes - classic pic, great story, great sets, great makeup,
great acting, and who could forget the lovely Nova?
*2001 - probably the most unassailable on this list
*A Boy and his Dog - Don Johnson I know, but great stuff
*Star Wars - a fairy tale in space, liked it much better than the more
heralded ESB which I always thought was a tweener movie that couldn't stand
on its own
*Close Encounters - a bit dated now, it's got a real 70's feel, but still good
stuff
*War of the Worlds - dated also, but it's campy sci-fi at its best
*The Blob - see WotWs, another movie where the feel of the decade it was made
in seeps deep into the movie
*Star Trek II: WoK -by far the best ST film, moves quickly, great death scene!
*Terminator - a great story backed by decent effects and direction
*The Thing - original it's a great example of gung-ho rah rah 50's sci fi
*The Thing - JC's remake, great effects, good story, Kurt Russell gets a
thumbs up and the more cynical and untidy ending was a pleasant surprise when
compared to the original.
*Akira - I watched this on the Sci-Fi channel late one night and I was blown
away, didn't understand half of it's mumbo-jumbo mysticism at the end, but the
animation was too cool
*The Time Machine - I gained a whole new respect for Rod Taylor after watching
this flick.
*Barbarella - I gained a whole new respect for Jane Fonda after watching this
flick (hoohoo!).
*Silent Running - Bruce Dern's performance is perfect, an underrated movie,
again I can't escape the feel of its time of making, this time the early 70's
flower children feel.
*Heavy Metal - great camp and it brought the comic book to life well.
*Fifth Element - see Heavy Metal, except this time it was live actors. I
really loved the use of color in this movie, a visual delight on the big
screen.
*Terminator II - see Aliens II, a nice sci-fi action romp.
*Gattaca - it's one of those movies I feel is so close to being great, just a
bit more tidying up on that script and some better direction/performances.
Worth a watch however.
Well that's enough rambling...
Mark
Elvis Wseem
I think Mad Max & The Roadwarrior deserve some atention regarding this sci
fi list. After all, the premise for both was to take place after the cold
war. Apart from that, both films were entertaining, espcially the
Roadwarrior.
Regards
Michael Lehmeier t771202
: Is this only for oldies?
: What did you think of Contact?
: Just wandering. I thought it was the best ever!!!
If Contact was a B-movie like Dark Star, I would put it in the top ten.
However, it was a movie that was supposed to be taken serious and as
such it was one of the most offending and IMHO horrible Sci-Fi movies of
all time.
--
The Nightshade Dragon -==(UDIC)==-
http://rphc1.physik.uni-regensburg.de/~lem11441/
Lehmeier Michael (Michael....@stud.uni-regensburg.de)
Nicolai P. Zwar
> Helen & Bob <chil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> nice, only 3 letters have you written..
> Thats bob , wow
While this is a bit funny, it's not entirely correct. In fact, Bob
wrote:
> Out of all the responses, the first adult one. Good List. Might have, no
> Would have put in 'The day the Earth Stood Still" for a thinking persons
> film. No Color, almost no special effects, just damn fine Science
> Fiction.And it deserved the full spelling, not just SF. The trouble is, I
> think, that most on the people contributing to this list have never seen
> the film.
It was just that he quoted me before, and for some reason the quote
marks stayed before his own paragraph as well.
Nicolai P. Zwar
This may be a simple misunderstanding. I don't think they are refering
to you being new here, but to the fact that you attributed your own
comment to me (as a quote), so people did not recognize your own content
as such. That's all. On my newsreader it looked at first as if all you
wrote was "Bob", too.
P.S.: "The Day the Earth Stood Still" was also a great one. The opening
sequence was terrific, even to this day, Bernard Herrmann's closing
notes stay with me, and there was a quiet menace all the time emanating
from that silver robot. A classic. It's been quite a while since I've
seen it though. Another old SF film with a lot of atmosphere was Byron
Haskin's "The War of the Worlds".
Doug Tricarico
<chil...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>
>
>Wenchi Liao wrote:
>
>> Heh...it's Silent Bob!
>
>Interesting. Two comments regarding that I have not written in
>this group before, but none on the content of the messages. Are
>you of the opinion that quantity equals quality?? If you disagree
>with content, then we can discuss content. If you want to discuss
>how often I contribute, that may be because I am new to this ng,
>or there has been nothing prior that I wanted to comment upon.
I believe the comments (there were a couple of others which were
similar to Wenchi Liao's above) stem from the fact that it appears you
simply reposted someone else's comments while merely appending your
name.
I haven't followed this thread very closely, but that was my first
impression, as well. If you did make comments, perhaps they were lost
or the ">>" attributions lead us to assume you'd added nothing.
It seems a simple error rather than a flame.
Doug
Doug Tricarico
A movie reviewer I used to work with had absolutely no knowledge of any
films made before the mid-1970s, and if someone who does that as his
job doesn't bother with anything older than himself, there's no reason
to be surprised the average filmgoer (including those at national
magazines) doesn't recall anything before, say, JAWS.
Doug
rco...@servicesoft.com
Good point, I loved the Shape of Things to Come when I was
a kid. But it really didn't age well. (It was dated even then)
Wasn't the end of the "Great War" in that movie in 1966 or something?
In article <362fca3c...@news.iu.net>,
jma...@iu.net (j) wrote:
> It's kind of sad that no one mentions films
> like "Metropolis" or "The Shape of Things
> to Come" ... originality counts for something.
>
> -j
rco...@servicesoft.com
that's how the Krell?? destroyed themselves in one night, with monsters from
their subconscious. So Freud, Shakespeare and robots on one movie.
Others have mentioned The Day the Earth Stood Still. Yes another classic.
In article <362f9...@news.piro.net>,
nicola...@pironet.de wrote:
> rco...@servicesoft.com wrote:
> >
> > Bingo, right out of the ballpark. I think most of the other lists are
> > faux SCI-FI.
> >
> > The only one omitted for me is "Forbidden Planet". Dated true, but the
first
> > really great sci-fi film I can remember. Monsters from the ID? Good stuff.
>
> "Forbidden Planet" - of course! Shakespeare and robots. I love that
> film. "Monsters from the ID"..."Monsters from the ID"... Can't place the
> title right now (though I heard it, and I'm almost sure I even saw it).
> The thing is, I try to keep my top ten lists down to ten (so there are
> always omissions), make 'em diverse, and change them anytime I want.
> They are a lot of fun, and don't have much meaning. "Forbidden Planet"
> always has a chance of popping up. ;-)
>
> --
> Nicolai P. Zwar
>
> Remove "NOT THESE FOUR WORDS" to reply.
>
> It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with
> potatoes.
> (From "Life, the Universe and Everything" by Douglas Adams)
>
>
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danger...@my-dejanews.com
Michael....@stud.uni-regensburg.de wrote:
> Luke (s962...@student.spamkiller.up.ac.za) wrote:
>
> : Is this only for oldies?
> : What did you think of Contact?
>
> : Just wandering. I thought it was the best ever!!!
>
> If Contact was a B-movie like Dark Star, I would put it in the top ten.
> However, it was a movie that was supposed to be taken serious and as
> such it was one of the most offending and IMHO horrible Sci-Fi movies of
> all time.
>
I agree, Contact stunk, I believe someone else has already used the right
words to describe it, pretentious, boring, overlong...
Mark
Helen & Bob
Nicolai P. Zwar wrote:
>
> This may be a simple misunderstanding. I don't think they are refering
> to you being new here, but to the fact that you attributed your own
> comment to me (as a quote), so people did not recognize your own content
> as such. That's all. On my newsreader it looked at first as if all you
> wrote was "Bob", too.
>
> P.S.: "The Day the Earth Stood Still" was also a great one. The opening
> sequence was terrific, even to this day, Bernard Herrmann's closing
> notes stay with me, and there was a quiet menace all the time emanating
> from that silver robot. A classic. It's been quite a while since I've
> seen it though. Another old SF film with a lot of atmosphere was Byron
> Haskin's "The War of the Worlds".
>
> --
> Nicolai P. Zwar
>
> Thank you, sir. Courtesy is always apprecieated. And you are correct about "War of
> the Worlds" I think I was motivated to write because only "new" films appeared to be
> included in some of the lists, and quite frankly, some of the films on some peoples
> list only deserved to be burned. Not as censorship of ideas, (God forbid that), but
> rather as poor filmmaking, for whatever reason (primarily writing). And no, I could
> not write better films myself, I am terrible and know it. Its just that some of
> these people have not done their homework, if they want to make serious comments on
> Science Fiction Films.
In "The Day the Earth Stood Still", the scene that always gets to me is where Klaatu
corrects the professors (supposed to be Einstein) math, and the later scene where the
Professor has the conversation with Klaatu, starting with "Please sit down. There are
several thousand questions I like to ask you" Those scenes get to me, no matter how
many times I have seen them.
Bob
Helen & Bob
Doug Tricarico wrote:
> I haven't followed this thread very closely, but that was my first
> impression, as well. If you did make comments, perhaps they were lost
> or the ">>" attributions lead us to assume you'd added nothing.
>
> It seems a simple error rather than a flame.
>
> Doug
OK, Mea Culpea
Bob
Nicolai P. Zwar
>
> Ha, got you. the monsters from the Id were from the same "Forbidden Planet",
> that's how the Krell?? destroyed themselves in one night, with monsters from
> their subconscious. So Freud, Shakespeare and robots on one movie.
Yup, got me! So that's why! That's what they were called? When I heard
"Monsters from the ID", I was pretty darn sure that I've heard that
before, but I tried and tried to recall a movie by that title and could
simply not recall such a thing. Now I know why it sounded familiar. It's
been a while since I've seen "Forbidden Planet", as you can tell.
Jeff Bond
>
> rco...@servicesoft.com wrote:
> >
> > Ha, got you. the monsters from the Id were from the same "Forbidden Planet",
> > that's how the Krell?? destroyed themselves in one night, with monsters from
> > their subconscious. So Freud, Shakespeare and robots on one movie.
>
> Yup, got me! So that's why! That's what they were called? When I heard
> "Monsters from the ID", I was pretty darn sure that I've heard that
> before, but I tried and tried to recall a movie by that title and could
> simply not recall such a thing. Now I know why it sounded familiar. It's
> been a while since I've seen "Forbidden Planet", as you can tell.
>
Ah, Forbidden Planet. That is one great movie.
Charles L Isbell
> Charles L Isbell wrote in message ...
> >jo...@usa.net (Joe26) writes:
> >> Star Trek 1 was probably the weakest of the series. The Abyss was
> >> average.
> >Oh my god, no. Star Trek V was the worst. Star Trek suffered
> >mightily from being boring, but it was a masterpiece compared to 5 &
> >7.
> Agreed, but I have to say that 7 is far and away the worst. I mean, could
> they have written a more pathetic, worthless death for Captain Kirk? A
> complete disgrace IMHO.
No doubt.
Of course, if you read the books (I forced myself to in this case
because I was actually interested), he's not dead. In fact, Picard
and Spock know he's not dead. He's off living life trying to stay
low.
> >> You're missing some obvious classics like Planet of the Apes
> >> and Blade Runner.
> >Never was impressed by PotA, but Blade Runner is up there in the top
> >for sure.
> After seeing the Apes marathon on AMC I am convinced that the series has far
> more intrinsic merit than just goofy camp sci-fi. There are definitely some
> strong, timely socio-political messages that are made throughout the series.
That's probably true, but I can't really say. I haven't seen them in
years, and then only on TV when my mind was somewhere else.
> >> I also thoroughly enjoyed Starship Troopers. A lot
> >> of people didn't, but I thought it was one of the mmost entertaining 2
> >> hours I've spent at the movies in a long time. It was so much better
> >> than the usual weak summer blockbusters like ID4, MIB, Godzilla, etc.
> >Oh, I'll take MiB for sheer fun. There was nothing pretentious about
> >it; it was comedy and it had fun with its premise.
> Ugh. MiB was the most pointless 90 minutes of my life.
Okay, but it was *fun* pointlessness (at least for me).
> >> I hope Verhoeven gives up on his soft-porn projects like Showgirls and
> >> Basic Instinct and gets back to what he does best: RoboCop, Total
> >> Recall and Starship Troopers.
> >Total Recall was a lot like soft porn... just kidding.
> I'd like to see Robocop vs. Terminator myself.
BTW, am I the only person who thinks _Total Recall_ was one of the
most violent big action films ever? I remember being completely taken
aback when I saw it; every singles person had to be shot through the
skull, and shot at least ten times. I have vague memories of being
amazed that there was no uproar.
This country's violence v sex problems are all screwed up. I think
I'll go see _Orgazmo_ in protest.
--
Peace.
"Those who make non-violent revolution impossible
make violent revolution inevitable."
-Dr Martin Luther King, Jr
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to be in the proposed list.
BTW the reason i didn;t include Metropolis, and other such OLD films
is because i wasn't born in that era and if i were to see it i may
judge it by that and thus will likely not get on my list. I have been
brainwashed up to my current age to have a certain perspective on what
a film SHOUD have and these older films do not. It is definitely a
bias. Sorry.
David J. Baltazar
The Phantom Menace, of course.
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But research is an art, not a science, because anyone who knows what
they're doing can find the crumbs, the wheres, whats, and whos. The art
is in the whys: the ability to read between the crumbs, not to mix
metaphors. -Daryl Zero
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Helen & Bob
Bill Pierre wrote:
Its spelled Klaatu in both the original script and the original short story, which (IIRC) is "death of the master"???
Any way for my contribution, I suggest Forbidden Planet and Day the Earth Stood Still (Gort Klatu Barada Nicto!!)
Bob
Helen & Bob
Doug Tricarico wrote:
> In
> <368730F3922D899B.3841C76B...@library-proxy.airne
> s.net> wkw...@NOSPAM.airmail.net writes:
> >
> >
> >>"Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the
> Bomb":
> >>The funniest SF film ever made.
> >
> >D'oh! Completely forgot about that one...
> >
> >WKW
>
> Except that it isn't SF... other than that, great flick.
>
> Doug
Why not?? Alternative universe???
Bob
Helen & Bob
Giovanni 8 wrote:
>
> > ...You left out the most influential filf for your entire list,
> > the one that if IT had not been made, most lilely none of your
> > list would exist, namely 2001 a space Oddessy...
>
> Once again, I was unimpressed. The film failed to convey the
> essential concepts of the book. Nice pretty images, but,
> without meaning, all to no purpose.
You don't get it. The book was written from the film. Read Clarkes
"Lost Worlds of 2001. The original storyline was from an old Clarke
Short called "The Sentinel" If you read that you will find the germ of
"2001" The pity is that you now cannot see it as it was designed to be
seen, in Cinerama. I saw it in Cinerama 3 times, at what was then an
OUTRAGEOUS price of $3.75 (Regular movie, $1.25. Drive-in, $1.00 a
car.) . It was magnificent. Compared to ANY other film made up to that
time, it was an increase in quality on orders of magnitude. If you
compare it to anything else in release then, you will see the
difference. Without it, I think most Science Fiction films would still
be a man in a rubber suit stomping on miniatures. Insofar as purpose,
it shows man on the step to the next level of advancement, and implies
there is someone or some group out there who could be monitoring us.
And for all we know, that could be true.
> Someone else mentioned "Forbidden Planet" & it was a decent
> film. They certainly got plenty of mileage out of the robot.
>
> Again, a film where many of the fx were first time ever. And, and
> adult storyline, something of great rarity in H'wood, even today.
> When I see some of the films on peoples list, so many of them are
> childish. And great destructiveness is a childish thing to watch and
> enjoy, especieally if that's all the film offers. Ane for those who
> commented on the "Great Action" in Starship Troopers", even as a PFC i
> could have formulated better infantry tactics than in that film. The
> Director was a complete ass, the "writer/writers" do not deserve the
> name, and the producer was so money-hungry that he allowed a GREAT
> novel to be butchered into a statement of someones personal politics
> -- and that usually produces a garbage film.
Bob
Susan Umpleby
----------Which version of "Journey to the Center of the Earth"? The
one with Pat Boone always makes me laugh--he's like a three year-old,
always sticking unknown substances into his mouth :-). I remember
the first time I saw it (at a revival theatre); I was with friends &
we begain making bets on what would go into his mouth next. Remember
when they get to the buried city? And find the petrified bread? I
said "bet he tastes it"
& sure enough, he did.
Susan Umpleby
Bill Pierre wrote:
---------The short story is "Farewell to the Master". Great
story, substantially different from the film, which goes to show that
stories can still change & evolve the way they did before the printing
press locked us into "the one" or "right" versions of stories.
Nicolai P. Zwar
>
> The Phantom Menace, of course.
Fortune-teller, uh?
bla...@earthlink.net
(Giovanni 8) wrote:
>> ...You left out the most influential filf for your entire list,
>> the one that if IT had not been made, most lilely none of your
>> list would exist, namely 2001 a space Oddessy...
>
>Once again, I was unimpressed. The film failed to convey the
>essential concepts of the book. Nice pretty images, but,
>without meaning, all to no purpose.
>
uh...the book is a separate piece of entertainment. what is your
feeling of the movie, without comparing it to the book which was
written while the movie was being made, ?
men...@my-dejanews.com
> 01. Empire Strikes Back
Empire Strikes back as your number 1? Personeel taste i guess but i think
that Return of the Jedi SE is the best of the SW trilogy?
> 02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
Good ST movie, prolly the best of the old ones IMHO but i don't think it
deserves a 2 overall.
> 03. Aliens: Special Edition
YEP, kick arse movie this one. Definetly worthy of being in the TOP 5.
> 04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
Indiana Jones is SCI FI? I think it comes under ACTION/ADVENTURE or something
doesn't it. None the less it's still a good movie.
> 05. E.T.
I think ET is for the kiddies. It doesn't have the same affect on me now as
it did when i first saw it, unlike other sci fi movies like Aliens, etc.
> 06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
Yeah good movie, but i haven't seen the SE, What happens in it?
> 07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
Completly disagree with this one. ST:6 is regarded by many trekkers (this is
what i've heard being said in the NG's anyway) as one of the weakest of the ST
movies. Not a bad movie but i think it could only really be appreciated by ST
or SCi-FI fans.
> 08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
Boring. I really didn't like this movie. I see it getting 4/5 stars in the
TV mags but i just couldn't seem to get into it. DUM DUM DUM DUM
DUMMMMMMMMM.
> 09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
The original indiana was pretty cool, but i liked Temple of Doom the best.
> 10. The Abyss: Special Edition
> 11. Poltergeist
I don't think that poltergeist is SCI FI. Im pretty sure it comes under
HORROR.
> 12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Nop, didn't like this one at all.
> 13. Robocop
> 14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
Couldn't get into Akira. I know heaps of people rave about it but it was a
little too confusing for me. Manga doesn't really do anything for me.
My Top 10 would look likes this :
1 Return of the Jedi, SE
2 Star Wars, SE
3 Empire Strikes Back, SE
4 Aliens, SE
5 Predator. ??????? - Can this be considered sort of SCI FI?
6 Terminator 2
7 First Contact
8 Abyss, SE
9 ST : Wrath of Kahn
10. SpaceBalls.
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| Mennis |
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Nick N.
>My Top 10 would look likes this :
>
>1 Return of the Jedi, SE
>2 Star Wars, SE
>3 Empire Strikes Back, SE
>4 Aliens, SE
>5 Predator. ??????? - Can this be considered sort of SCI FI?
>6 Terminator 2
>7 First Contact
>8 Abyss, SE
>9 ST : Wrath of Kahn
>10. SpaceBalls.
What's so good about the Star Wars Trilogy? They're movies with below
average actors running around in hockey equipment, shooting lasers at
morons. The plot is so ridiculous that anyone seeing these movies from
an OBJECTIVE angle would laugh. Just because you grew up with Star
Wars and it has some nostalgic value for you doesn't mean its a good
movie.
And Space Balls is not sci-fi. Its a comedy.
Nick N.
Jim Mann
Nick N. wrote in message
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>
>And Space Balls is not sci-fi. Its a comedy.
>
It's both.
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Doug Tricarico
<jma...@transarc.com> writes:
>
>
>Nick N. wrote in message
><3634cfa1...@news.interramp.net>...
>
>>
>>And Space Balls is not sci-fi. Its a comedy.
>>
>
>
>It's both.
No, it's not. It's comedy. Specifically a parody. Parodies are not
subject to the rules of the genres they spoof. Just as BLAZING SADDLES
isn't a Western and YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN isn't a horror film and AIRPLANE
isn't a disaster film, SPACEBALLS isn't science fiction.
Doug
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>
>
>Joe26 wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:09:26 GMT, zero...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >All of these movies get an 8.8 to 9.6 out of 10
>> >
>> >01. Empire Strikes Back
>> >02. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan
>> >03. Aliens: Special Edition
>> >04. Infiana Jones: Last Crusade
>> >05. E.T.
>> >06. Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Special Edition
>> >07. Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country
>> >08. Close Enocunters of the Third Kind
>> >09. Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark
>> >10. The Abyss: Special Edition
>> >11. Poltergeist
>> >12. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
>> >13. Robocop
>> >14. Akira (it's a Japanimation)
>>
>
>Your list is very shallow. Have you ever seen "the Day the Earth Stood
>Still" or any other of the classics made before computers?? You left out
>the most influential filf for your entire list, the one that if IT had not
>been made, most lilely none of your list would exist, namely 2001 a
>space Oddessy. And if you have only seen it on video, you have really
>missed the sweep and grandeur of the film. Study film for another 10 or
>20 years before you try another "best of all time" list. You did not
>consider all of the time that movies have been made.
>Bob
>
I agree with you 100% about my original list posting! I am a young
guy born in the mid 70's and like one of the threads said, people
usually don't make the effort to look at possible "classic" before
this time. If i were to see things like "The Day the earth stood
still" or "Forbidden Planet" i am absolutely certain i will find them
weak. Primarily because they are a different time and i can't lower
the standards of what movies ought to be, as was laid out when i began
watching movies when i was young. Kinda sucks, but there it is.
Oh, and i did see 2001 and i did find it entertaining, after
rewatching it several times to decipher it, but i still can't put it
on my list because it simply "OK".
I guess i should have attached to the beginning of my list when i
posted it that my list are based on quality of writing, popularity in
the mainstream ($$ at the box office). Since 2001 is essentially an
art film it is likely that majority of audiences won't get it and thus
look by it. Same goes with Blade Runner. I found this film to be an
"experience" when watching it but it is playing at a level which
people don't give a "toot" about.
The trick to successful mainstream sf films is that the premise idea
has to be simple enough that people get it (among other necessary
elements). That is why Star Wars is the most popular sci fi of all
time.
qba...@yahoo.com
>
>I think Mad Max & The Roadwarrior deserve some atention regarding this sci
>fi list. After all, the premise for both was to take place after the cold
>war. Apart from that, both films were entertaining, espcially the
>Roadwarrior.
>
>Regards
>
>
I read that Mad Max (the original Film) is the most profitable film of
all-time in the world...according to Guiness Book of Records
Doug Tricarico
I don't think it's in the top 50. It was, for a time, the
highest-grossing Australian film, but it's been topped many times over
the years. I believe it has one of the highest return ratios for any
movie ever made, though.
men...@my-dejanews.com
> What's so good about the Star Wars Trilogy?
Personnel Taste. If i chose to eat dogshit cause i think it tastes good then
so be it. It's my parogitive. (NOT sayin i like dogshit or anything)
> morons. The plot is so ridiculous that anyone seeing these movies from
> an OBJECTIVE angle would laugh.
How the hell can anyone analysing a movie not be subjective? Everyone has
there likes and dislikes.
AS for the acting being shit, well, i don't think it's that bad and there WERE
SOME GOOD PERFORMANCES.
* JAmes Earl Jones as DArth Vader was very good. * Alec Guiness as OBI WAN
was good. * Yoda's voice/character was done well. * Emperer palpatine
certainly looked the part and was played well by whoever did him.
> And Space Balls is not sci-fi. Its a comedy.
>
Really.... Well thanx for telling me something i didn't know.
Adrian Cengia
I'm surprised that Strange Days, the movie with Ralph Fiennes didn't
get a mention yet (that I've seen). An excellent movie - the crowd bits
at the end really had me on the edge of my seat.
Jim Mann
Doug Tricarico wrote in message
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>In <712nv0$dgt$1...@newshost.transarc.com> "Jim Mann"
><jma...@transarc.com> writes:
>>Nick N. wrote in message
>><3634cfa1...@news.interramp.net>...
>>>And Space Balls is not sci-fi. Its a comedy.
>>It's both.
>No, it's not. It's comedy. Specifically a parody. Parodies
are not
>subject to the rules of the genres they spoof. Just as BLAZING
SADDLES
>isn't a Western and YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN isn't a horror film and
AIRPLANE
>isn't a disaster film, SPACEBALLS isn't science fiction.
So I guess Terry Pratchett isn't a fantasy writer then? And
Adams's Hitchiker books aren't SF? (Or some of Randall Garrett's
wonderful parodies like "Backstage Lensman" for that matter?)
Frankly, this is a matter of definition, but I've never yet seen
a reasonable definition of a genre that relegated humourous takes
on the genre to another genre.
----------------------------
Jim Mann
rco...@servicesoft.com
Perhaps, but I wasn't born when Citizen Kane was filmed, but I liked it
when I did see. That's an obvious case. but there are plenty of others.
So is your list really?:
A list of Sci-Fi (sort of) films I like?
or
A list of good Sci-Fi (sort of) films of the last ten years
or
A list of good Sci-Fi (sort of) films that gave me an adreneline rush.
;^) ;^)
You really think Robo-Cop is better than Blade Runner? (He said in disbelief)
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gdo...@yahoo.com
"Jim Mann" <jma...@transarc.com> wrote:
>
> Nick N. wrote in message
> <3634cfa1...@news.interramp.net>...
>
> >
> >And Space Balls is not sci-fi. Its a comedy.
> >
>
> It's both.
>
>
> Jim Mann
Right! It's both. Science fiction is not a type, it's a catagory. All
sci-fi that I have ever seen, read, or heard was actually a comedy, drama,
action, adventure, or romance. Any movie that deals with a distant time or
alternate science is science fiction just like any movie that is set in the
old west is a western. MHO
Geoff D
Charles L Isbell
> It's both.
It's a comedy and sci-fi... just like life.
Apologies to Tom Hanks and Jackie Gleason.
--
Peace.
"We don't necessarily discriminate.
We simply exclude certain types of people."
-Lt Col. Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instructor
at M.I.T., on D.O.D. 1332.14
Denis Kondakov
does not make bigmac into the "best food of all time". You just
don't know any better...
gdo...@yahoo.com
> > this time. If i were to see things like "The Day the earth stood
> > still" or "Forbidden Planet" i am absolutely certain i will find them
> > weak.
You will with that attitude but to each his own.
> > I guess i should have attached to the beginning of my list when i
> > posted it that my list are based on quality of writing, popularity in
> > the mainstream ($$ at the box office).
"quality of writing"? - Star Trek 6
"$$ at the box office" - yet three of the movies you listed were special
editions that were only available on video. The only movies that come to mind
that had special editions that were shown theatricaly are Blade Runner and the
Star Wars Trilogy.
> > The trick to successful mainstream sf films is that the premise idea
> > has to be simple enough that people get it (among other necessary
> > elements). That is why Star Wars is the most popular sci fi of all
> > time.
Yet you didn't list it but that's ok, I will in my top ten list which I think
I'll rename to : The sf movies I'd pick if I could only have ten.
1,2, and 3. The Star Wars Trilogy -just like potatoe chips...you just can't
have one.
4. Forbidden Planet -one of the best sf movies ever, especially if you take
into concideration the time it was made.
5. Aliens -best of that bunch. Aliens 3 was a good movie but a lousy sequeal.
6. Blade Runner -Harrison Ford and Rutger Hauer and a cool sound track.
7. Abyss -this didn't follow your usual 'everyone gets killed but the hero'
theme, had a strong plot, and good realism.
8. Star Trek 2 -best action Star Trek movie.
9. Star Trek 4 -reminded me of some of the best funny episodes from the
original series.
10. Dark Star -what can I say, for what started as a student film, it had good
effects and a warped plot:)
Honorable mentions: 2001 -I didn't list it becuase it's a movie that I can
watch once every 5 years and be fine but the others I like to see every year.
Metropolis -it's good enough for an honorable mention but just doesn't quit
make it in the top ten. Total Recall -a good plot but could have diffenately
been done better but I like Dan O'Bannon's stuff anyway. BTW, Total Recall 2
is in production being directed by Jonathan Frakes and produced by Arnold
Schwarzenegger. It should be good. Babylon 5:In the Beginning -I'm an avid
B5 fan but I limited my list to theatrical releases only.
Just MHO Geoff D
rangrrik
I disliked this movie because of the massive cop out at the end---the
revelation that it was just a couple bad cops that comitted the murder
on the spur of the moment, rather than a police death squad. More
realistic, perhaps but hardly dramatically satisfying.
rangrrik
realistic, perhaps but hardly dramatically satisfying. Plus, Fienne's
character, for supposedly a hotshot ex-cop, was an incredible wimp.
Doug Tricarico
<jma...@transarc.com> writes:
>
>
>Doug Tricarico wrote in message
><712q9e$g...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>...
>
>>>>And Space Balls is not sci-fi. Its a comedy.
>>>It's both.
>
>> are not subject to the rules of the genres they spoof. Just as
>> BLAZING SADDLES isn't a Western and YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN isn't a
>> horror film and AIRPLANE isn't a disaster film, SPACEBALLS isn't
>> science fiction.
>
>
>
>So I guess Terry Pratchett isn't a fantasy writer then? And
>Adams's Hitchiker books aren't SF? (Or some of Randall Garrett's
>wonderful parodies like "Backstage Lensman" for that matter?)
I haven't read these books, so I can't comment. If they are parodies,
however, then they don't belong in the genres they're spoofing. That
doesn't mean they're lesser works or somehow less enjoyable, it's just
a genre distinction. Chalker's RIVER OF THE DANCING GODS novels are
funny fantasy, but Harvard Lampoon's BORED OF THE RINGS is a parody and
therefore not a fantasy.
>Frankly, this is a matter of definition, but I've never yet seen
>a reasonable definition of a genre that relegated humourous takes
>on the genre to another genre.
There's a difference between "funny science fiction" or "funny fantasy"
and a parody.
BACK TO THE FUTURE is comic SF, but AIRPLANE 2: THE SEQUEL is not. The
former obeys the tropes of science fiction genre, while the latter
parodies them. They're both equally enjoyable, we're just slotting
them in different categories.
All parodies exist in a separate genre from everything else. The
reason for the separation, as I stated above, is because the parody is
not beholden to the rules of the genre it spoofs. HIGH ANXIETY is not
a thriller despite it's send-up of thrillers, for instance.
Nicolai P. Zwar
>
> I'm surprised that Strange Days, the movie with Ralph Fiennes didn't
> get a mention yet (that I've seen). An excellent movie - the crowd bits
> at the end really had me on the edge of my seat.
Well, in my case that's simply because I have not seen it. I read a lot
about it though, and one of these days I'll catch up.