Dejah Thoris
Doghouse Reilly
Looks like Dejah Thoris will be nude, in the upcoming John Carter movie.
She'll be played by Lynn Collins.
http://snipurl.com/k1ez4 [www_egotastic_com]
Richard Evans
Well, that should save some on wardrobe costs.
Quadibloc
> Looks like Dejah Thoris will be nude, in the upcoming John Carter movie.
Actually, this is _highly_ unlikely, if for no other reason than that
"constant nudity" is one of the trigger conditions for an NC-17
rating.
John Savard
bay...@gmail.com
She wasn't over-burdened w/ clothing on the covers of some of those
old paperbacks.......
Brenda Clough
Everybody knows it is very hot and humid on Mars -- at least, Burrough's
Mars.
Brenda
--
---------
Brenda W. Clough
http://www.sff.net/people/Brenda/
My novel REVISE THE WORLD is now appearing at
www.bookviewcafe.com
Bluuuue Rajah
news:1e960f25-432b-460f...@s1g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
Link please.
Nyrath the nearly wise
From A PRINCESS OF MARS:
And the sight which met my eyes was that of a slender, girlish figure,
similar in every detail to the earthly women of my past life. She did not see
me at first, but just as she was disappearing through the portal of the
building which was to be her prison she turned, and her eyes met mine. Her
face was oval and beautiful in the extreme, her every feature was finely
chiseled and exquisite, her eyes large and lustrous and her head surmounted by
a mass of coal black, waving hair, caught loosely into a strange yet becoming
coiffure. Her skin was of a light reddish copper color, against which the
crimson glow of her cheeks and the ruby of her beautifully molded lips shone
with a strangely enhancing effect.
She was as destitute of clothes as the green Martians who accompanied her;
indeed, save for her highly wrought ornaments she was entirely naked, nor
could any apparel have enhanced the beauty of her perfect and symmetrical figure.
Quadibloc
> Everybody knows it is very hot and humid on Mars -- at least, Burrough's
> Mars.
Warm, yes, but it was dry there; after all, as with Percival Lowell's
Mars, the Martians did have to build an extensive network of
irrigation canals. Burroughs' Mars was actually more realistic - the
Martians _also_ had to build atmosphere plants because the air was
getting too thin to breathe.
John Savard
Steven L.
The inhabitants of Mars, including Ms. Thoris, eschewed clothing (except
ornamentation) as a matter of style. It had nothing to do with the climate.
--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
William George Ferguson
wrote:
>Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 10:41 am, Brenda Clough <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Everybody knows it is very hot and humid on Mars -- at least, Burrough's
>>> Mars.
>>
>> Warm, yes, but it was dry there; after all, as with Percival Lowell's
>> Mars, the Martians did have to build an extensive network of
>> irrigation canals. Burroughs' Mars was actually more realistic - the
>> Martians _also_ had to build atmosphere plants because the air was
>> getting too thin to breathe.
>
>The inhabitants of Mars, including Ms. Thoris, eschewed clothing (except
>ornamentation) as a matter of style. It had nothing to do with the climate.
Well, except for the Okarians (yellow martians), but then they lived in
heated cities at the north pole, and wore furs when they had to go
outdoors.
--
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
(Bene Gesserit)
David Johnston
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 10:41 am, Brenda Clough <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Everybody knows it is very hot and humid on Mars -- at least, Burrough's
>>> Mars.
>>
>> Warm, yes, but it was dry there; after all, as with Percival Lowell's
>> Mars, the Martians did have to build an extensive network of
>> irrigation canals. Burroughs' Mars was actually more realistic - the
>> Martians _also_ had to build atmosphere plants because the air was
>> getting too thin to breathe.
>
>The inhabitants of Mars, including Ms. Thoris, eschewed clothing (except
>ornamentation) as a matter of style. It had nothing to do with the climate.
Unless it was warm for them they would quickly find that style
uncomfortable.
Geoff Briggs
> Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 10:41 am, Brenda Clough <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Everybody knows it is very hot and humid on Mars -- at least, Burrough's
>>> Mars.
>>
>> Warm, yes, but it was dry there; after all, as with Percival Lowell's
>> Mars, the Martians did have to build an extensive network of
>> irrigation canals. Burroughs' Mars was actually more realistic - the
>> Martians _also_ had to build atmosphere plants because the air was
>> getting too thin to breathe.
>
> The inhabitants of Mars, including Ms. Thoris, eschewed clothing (except
> ornamentation) as a matter of style. It had nothing to do with the
> climate.
>
>
Let's face it - the women (and men) are not going to be naked in the
movie. Yes, they eshew clothing, but they do were leather harnesses for
their swords, pistols and other paraphernalia, and in many cases this is
described as heavily ornate. The film-makers can quite happily shoot the
film, and stay true to the books, with less on show than would be
visible if the women were wearing a beach bikini.
Not that a film where all the women wore nothing more than bikinis would
be a bad thing, of course...
Nigel
wrote:
There you are - all she needs is some strategically placed "highly
wrought ornaments" and/or a clever arrangement of her "mass of coal
black, waving hair" and the film will get a PG rating.
Cheers,
Nigel.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Maybe they like being uncomfortable. Look at the corset and necktie!
Ted
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
David Johnston
Yes, but John Carter didn't describe Deja Thoris as being blue and
shaking.
Bluuuue Rajah
news:G4mdnXAHKYVWd6nX...@giganews.com:
Did you type that in or did you cut-and-paste?
Bluuuue Rajah
news:VpPZl.55644$qa.5...@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
If your necktie is uncomfortable, you're buying the wrong size shirt.
Nyrath the nearly wise
> Nyrath the nearly wise <nyr...@project.rho.invalid> wrote in
>>
>> And the sight which met my eyes was that of a slender, girlish figure,
>> similar in every detail to the earthly women of my past life. She did
>> not see me at first, but just as she was disappearing through the
>> portal of the building which was to be her prison she turned, and her
>> eyes met mine. Her face was oval and beautiful in the extreme, her
>> every feature was finely chiseled and exquisite, her eyes large and
>> lustrous and her head surmounted by a mass of coal black, waving hair,
>> caught loosely into a strange yet becoming coiffure. Her skin was of a
>> light reddish copper color, against which the crimson glow of her
>> cheeks and the ruby of her beautifully molded lips shone with a
>> strangely enhancing effect.
>>
>> She was as destitute of clothes as the green Martians who accompanied
>> her;
>> indeed, save for her highly wrought ornaments she was entirely naked,
>> nor could any apparel have enhanced the beauty of her perfect and
>> symmetrical figure.
>
> Did you type that in or did you cut-and-paste?
Scott Lurndal
No, you're wearing a fundmentally useless, pretty damn silly looking,
bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
scott
Kurt Busiek
> Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> writes:
>> t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>> news:VpPZl.55644$qa.5...@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>> Maybe they like being uncomfortable. Look at the corset and necktie!
>>
>> If your necktie is uncomfortable, you're buying the wrong size shirt.
>
> No, you're wearing a fundmentally useless, pretty damn silly looking,
> bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
You say that like the two ideas are in conflict with one another.
Neckties are fundamentally useless, yes, especially since collars with
buttons were invented.
But if you're wearing a necktie and it's uncomfortable, it's probably
because your shirt collar is too small.
kdb
Bill Steele
wrote:
Seventy percent of healthy men experience an increase in internal eye
blood pressure after wearing a tight necktie for three minutes. Raised
internal eye blood pressure is the most important known risk factor for
the development and progression of glaucoma.
--British Journal of Ophthalmology
They don't mention the collar. I suspect it doesn';t matter which one is
tight. And if you don't wear a necktie, you don't have to button your
collar.
Kurt Busiek
> In article <h1giea$9fj$1...@solani.org>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-06-19 10:31:59 -0700, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) said:
>>
>>> Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> writes:
>>>> t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>>>> news:VpPZl.55644$qa.5...@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe they like being uncomfortable. Look at the corset and necktie!
>>>>
>>>> If your necktie is uncomfortable, you're buying the wrong size shirt.
>>>
>>> No, you're wearing a fundmentally useless, pretty damn silly looking,
>>> bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
>>
>> You say that like the two ideas are in conflict with one another.
>>
>> Neckties are fundamentally useless, yes, especially since collars with
>> buttons were invented.
>>
>> But if you're wearing a necktie and it's uncomfortable, it's probably
>> because your shirt collar is too small.
>
> Seventy percent of healthy men experience an increase in internal eye
> blood pressure after wearing a tight necktie for three minutes.
They shouldn't wear their neckties tight, then. With a collar that
fits well, "tight neckties" aren't a problem. You snug them up to the
collar; you don't choke yourself with them.
> They don't mention the collar. I suspect it doesn';t matter which one is
> tight. And if you don't wear a necktie, you don't have to button your
> collar.
If you don't wear a shirt with a collar, you don't have to button it either.
For that matter, if you do wear a tie, you still don't have to button
the collar.
But if buttoning the collar makes it tight, then your collar's too small.
kdb
Bluuuue Rajah
news:4a3bcb8f$0$15374$326...@news.usenetserver.com:
Tell that to all the hot, rich girls who won't date you, because you
dress like a bum.
Bluuuue Rajah
news:ws21-632761.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu:
Yes it does. If the collar is loose, the tie is loose too, because you
tighten it to fit the collar, not your neck.
> And if you don't wear a necktie, you don't have to button
> your collar.
Clothes make the man.
Dorothy J Heydt
Scott Lurndal <sl...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> writes:
>>>
>>> Maybe they like being uncomfortable. Look at the corset and necktie!
>>
>>If your necktie is uncomfortable, you're buying the wrong size shirt.
>
>No, you're wearing a fundmentally useless, pretty damn silly looking,
>bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
Oh, gosh, this argument again. It ran for some time in
rasf.f; I saved pages and pages of it to disk but let me see
if I can make a reasonably brief summary.
Ah, here's the one I made the second, at least, time the
topic surfaced.
"Several years ago on rasseff there was a lengthy discussion
about mostly men's clothing, mostly revolving about comfort
versus elegance, with some of the males insisting that tailored
clothing of the suit-shirt-and-tie variety was quite comfortable
*IF* it had been properly [read: by hand, by an expert,
expensively] tailored to suit the wearer, and other males
insisting that it was intrinsically impossible for *ANY*
button-up shirt and tie to be comfortable, considering that
even a turtleneck T-shirt was uncomfortable, and anyone who
said different was merely trying to impose a slavish mindless
conformity on them.
"While the females for the most part looked on, occasionally
making remarks about girdles and high heels and commenting
that no matter whether comfortable or not, formal dress looked
good on men, the more formal the better, with full-dress
white-tie-and-tails looking better than anything."
Then Darkhawk posted as follows:
>From lila...@subdimension.com Thu Apr 11 14:25:48 PDT 2002
>Article: 529448 of rec.arts.sf.fandom
>...
>Trinker <trinke...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>> >
>> > And a dress code is yet another incursion on my personal sovereignty,
>> > another slap at my human dignity.
>>
>> Clash of cultures between self-over-others-always and often-others-
>> before-self, I think.
>
>Kevin thinks that it's a clash of cultures between "clothing is a
>signal" and "clothing is not a signal", which has the advantage in being
>both accurate as far as I can tell and of not being gratuitously
>insulting to those people who are not members of whichever group is
>being touted as a One True Way. And there are One True Way touters on
>both sides of this argument, as far as I can see.
>
>If clothing is a signal in your culture, then people wearing
>inappropriate clothing will range from being slightly jarring to the
>equivalent on that band of screaming profanity at the top of their
>lungs. If clothing is not a signal in your culture, then the idea that
>someone else is offended by what you are "saying" in that manner will
>range in effect from being baffling to being the hallucinations of a
>whipcracking ideologue.
>
>No, it is not the case that the people who come from a non-signalling
>culture are selfish louts who don't care about the comfort of others;
>the people who come from a non-signalling culture are not aware of that
>wavelength of communication as a default, and may well consider it
>intrusive of other people to have an opinion on what is clearly, within
>their culture, a private matter.
>
>No, it is not the case that the people who come from a signalling
>culture are overbearing control freaks who want to regulate people into
>the correct boxes; the people who come from a signalling culture are
>accustomed to extracting meaning from this sort of thing as a default,
>and consider it intrusive of other people to put static on the channel.
>
>No, it is not a case that these communication patterns -- either of
>them -- can be safely assumed to be conveyed via inculturation; a
>different set of signals is used in each for the same information,
>One is not better than the other. One is not more correct or more
>enlightened or more free or more respectful than the other. These are
>different cultures which are, for the most part, mutually
>incomprehensible on this particular subject.
That was a great thread. If you want to bring the topic up
again, be my guest; it will be interesting to see what
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
opinions surface this time around.
plausible prose man
> On 2009-06-19 10:31:59 -0700, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) said:
>
> > Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> writes:
> >> t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
> >>news:VpPZl.55644$qa.5...@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
> >>> Maybe they like being uncomfortable. Look at the corset and necktie!
>
> >> If your necktie is uncomfortable, you're buying the wrong size shirt.
>
> > No, you're wearing a fundmentally useless, pretty damn silly looking,
> > bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
>
> You say that like the two ideas are in conflict with one another.
>
> Neckties are fundamentally useless, yes
Many seemingly useless things send fitness signals. If you have the
hang of a Windsor, you're telling me something, and if you resort to a
clip on, you're telling me something else. If there's a good three,
four inches of stomach between your belt and the end of your tie, what
does that say about you?
This tie
http://www.bensilver.com/fs_storefront.asp?root=1&show=13&display=4288&group=26
Signals something this tie
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/toinetterl/item/vc3814
or this tie
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rabinal/102970830/in/set-72057594086004706/
don't.
Signalling (economics)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For the analogous theory in evolutionary biology, see signalling
theory
In economics, more precisely in contract theory, signalling is the
idea that one party (termed the agent) conveys some meaningful
information about itself to another party (the principal). For
example, in Michael Spence's job-market signalling model, (potential)
employees send a signal about their ability level to the employer by
acquiring certain education credentials. The informational value of
the credential comes from the fact that the employer assumes it is
positively correlated with having greater ability.
Scott Lurndal
>Clothes make the man.
Ridiculously superficial and conformist.
The mind makes the man. Everything else is just eye candy.
scott
Scott Lurndal
There is a pretty damn wide spectrum between wearing a tie and dressing
like a bum.
scott
Invid Fan
Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> news:4a3bcb8f$0$15374$326...@news.usenetserver.com:
> > No, you're wearing a fundmentally useless, pretty damn silly looking,
> > bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
>
> Tell that to all the hot, rich girls who won't date you, because you
> dress like a bum.
They may date the rich guys in ties, but they fuck around with guys
dressed like bums :)
(I was and am neither, to my shame)
--
Chris Mack *quote under construction*
'Invid Fan'
Bluuuue Rajah
news:190620092100203801%in...@loclanet.com:
> In article <Xns9C2FB3F2F64D4lk...@207.115.33.102>,
> Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>
>> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>> news:4a3bcb8f$0$15374$326...@news.usenetserver.com:
>
>> > No, you're wearing a fundmentally useless, pretty damn silly
>> > looking, bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
>>
>> Tell that to all the hot, rich girls who won't date you, because you
>> dress like a bum.
>
> They may date the rich guys in ties, but they fuck around with guys
> dressed like bums :)
No they don't.
Bluuuue Rajah
If you spit on ties, you're not on it.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>>Tell that to all the hot, rich girls who won't date you, because you
>>dress like a bum.
>
>There is a pretty damn wide spectrum between wearing a tie and dressing
>like a bum.
It's maybe 30 years?
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Bluuuue Rajah
@news.usenetserver.com:
Then I encourage you to take a vow of silence and sit and think alone
forever.
Bluuuue Rajah
news:334abc59-6fcd-402e...@s16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
Now, you're talkin' my language, pal. I differ on one thing, though,
which is that men are not very brand conscious. Some are, but even
among the filthy rich, they're a tiny minority. The art of memorizing
brands is typically a female method of communication, which I suspect
involves passive/aggression.
BTW, I need a couple more Jerry Garcias. Can you help me out?
;)
Bluuuue Rajah
news:KLIAy...@kithrup.com:
In my country we have a legend about a person called the magician. He
could take a woman to heights of ecstasy that post can only dream of.
Jerry, you may do tricks, but you're no magician.
Bluuuue Rajah
news:fudo35pt1udab30jr...@4ax.com:
> On 20 Jun 2009 00:47:26 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
>>>Tell that to all the hot, rich girls who won't date you, because you
>>>dress like a bum.
>>
>>There is a pretty damn wide spectrum between wearing a tie and dressing
>>like a bum.
>
> It's maybe 30 years?
Which, coincidentally, happens to be the same time frame between Detroit
meltdowns. :(
Dorothy J Heydt
Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:KLIAy...@kithrup.com:
>
>> rasf.f; I saved pages and pages of it to disk but let me see
>> if I can make a reasonably brief summary.
[summary schnipped]
>
>In my country we have a legend about a person called the magician. He
>could take a woman to heights of ecstasy that post can only dream of.
>Jerry, you may do tricks, but you're no magician.
Who's Jerry?
In any case, we weren't talking about heights of ecstasy, we
were talking about clothes.
And if when you want to talk about heights of ecstasy, you
mean sex, I can only relate the tale of when Zsa Zsa Gabor
addressed some American women's club. She said, "Come on,
now, ladies, wouldn't you rather have one good orgasm than a
new refrigerator?" And she was confronted with an entire
roomfull of incredulous faces.
Sort of an extreme version of "Kissin' don't last, cookin' do."
Mike Ash
Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
Funny, I've had no trouble obtaining and keeping a great job and a great
wife while never, ever wearing a tie.
I respect people who like to dress up and use it to their advantage, and
I can see how it works for them. But people who insist that it's an
absolute requirement are, well, dumb. I suspect that half of them simply
can't wrap their minds around the idea of anyone succeeding outside of
the conventional idea of what a successful person looks like, and the
other half are just useless people who try to make up for it with
clothes, and believe that everyone else is such a useless person too.
--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
Invid Fan
Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
> Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote in
> news:190620092100203801%in...@loclanet.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9C2FB3F2F64D4lk...@207.115.33.102>,
> > Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
> >
> >> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> >> news:4a3bcb8f$0$15374$326...@news.usenetserver.com:
> >
> >> > No, you're wearing a fundmentally useless, pretty damn silly
> >> > looking, bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
> >>
> >> Tell that to all the hot, rich girls who won't date you, because you
> >> dress like a bum.
> >
> > They may date the rich guys in ties, but they fuck around with guys
> > dressed like bums :)
>
> No they don't.
Guess you're right, most "bad boys" are more shirtless or in biker
outfits then dressed like bums.
Bluuuue Rajah
Bad boys build hydrogen bombs from lithium.
Bluuuue Rajah
news:mike-1506F3.2...@news.eternal-september.org:
You apparently can't tell the difference between people who get hired
and people who do the hiring.
> I respect people who like to dress up and use it to their advantage,
> and I can see how it works for them. But people who insist that it's
> an absolute requirement are, well, dumb.
You are quite accomplished at the phony's art of putting words into
people's mouths that they never said. Link one message on any topic at
all where I ever said "absolute requirement" about anything.
> I suspect that half of them
> simply can't wrap their minds around the idea of anyone succeeding
> outside of the conventional idea of what a successful person looks
> like, and the other half are just useless people who try to make up
> for it with clothes, and believe that everyone else is such a useless
> person too.
Ad hominem rant.
Bluuuue Rajah
> In article <Xns9C2FD92735C52lk...@207.115.33.102>,
> Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:KLIAy...@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> Oh, gosh, this argument again. It ran for some time in
>>> rasf.f; I saved pages and pages of it to disk but let me see
>>> if I can make a reasonably brief summary.
>
> [summary schnipped]
>>
>>In my country we have a legend about a person called the magician. He
>>could take a woman to heights of ecstasy that post can only dream of.
>>Jerry, you may do tricks, but you're no magician.
>
> Who's Jerry?
>
> In any case, we weren't talking about heights of ecstasy, we
> were talking about clothes.
Whoosh!
> And if when you want to talk about heights of ecstasy, you
> mean sex, I can only relate the tale of when Zsa Zsa Gabor
> addressed some American women's club. She said, "Come on,
> now, ladies, wouldn't you rather have one good orgasm than a
> new refrigerator?" And she was confronted with an entire
> roomfull of incredulous faces.
>
> Sort of an extreme version of "Kissin' don't last, cookin' do."
Some are ladies, and some are passive-aggressive.
Sean O'Hara
declared:
>>> dress like a bum.
>> They may date the rich guys in ties, but they fuck around with guys
>> dressed like bums :)
>
> No they don't.
Somehow you avoid looking at the Star and Inquirer when you buy
groceries. Britney, Paris, Nicole, etc. are always shown with
unshaven, unwashed men.
--
Sean O'Hara <http://www.diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com>
New audio book: As Long as You Wish by John O'Keefe
<http://librivox.org/short-science-fiction-collection-010/>
Mike Ash
Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
> > Funny, I've had no trouble obtaining and keeping a great job and a
> > great wife while never, ever wearing a tie.
>
> You apparently can't tell the difference between people who get hired
> and people who do the hiring.
None of the founders of my company ever wore a suit while building it
either. (And I was employee #1 so there's nobody else left to discuss.)
Try again.
Invid Fan
Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
> Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote in
> news:190620092255318474%in...@loclanet.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9C2FD72BD9373lk...@207.115.33.102>,
> > Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
> >
> >> Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote in
> >> news:190620092100203801%in...@loclanet.com:
> >>
> >> > In article <Xns9C2FB3F2F64D4lk...@207.115.33.102>,
> >> > Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> >> >> news:4a3bcb8f$0$15374$326...@news.usenetserver.com:
> >> >
> >> >> > No, you're wearing a fundmentally useless, pretty damn silly
> >> >> > looking, bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
> >> >>
> >> >> Tell that to all the hot, rich girls who won't date you, because
> >> >> you dress like a bum.
> >> >
> >> > They may date the rich guys in ties, but they fuck around with guys
> >> > dressed like bums :)
> >>
> >> No they don't.
> >
> > Guess you're right, most "bad boys" are more shirtless or in biker
> > outfits then dressed like bums.
>
> Bad boys build hydrogen bombs from lithium.
The ones doing that in Iran don't wear ties, so there :-P
Bluuuue Rajah
The h-bomb is not the same as the a-bomb.
Bluuuue Rajah
@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <Xns9C30337B9314Dlk...@207.115.33.102>,
> Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>
>> > Funny, I've had no trouble obtaining and keeping a great job and a
>> > great wife while never, ever wearing a tie.
>>
>> You apparently can't tell the difference between people who get hired
>> and people who do the hiring.
>
> None of the founders of my company ever wore a suit while building it
> either. (And I was employee #1 so there's nobody else left to discuss.)
> Try again.
What company is that?
Bluuuue Rajah
news:7a4aqrF...@mid.individual.net:
> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Bluuuue Rajah
> declared:
>> Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote in
>> news:190620092100203801%in...@loclanet.com:
>>
>>>> Tell that to all the hot, rich girls who won't date you, because
>>>> you dress like a bum.
>>> They may date the rich guys in ties, but they fuck around with guys
>>> dressed like bums :)
>>
>> No they don't.
>
> Somehow you avoid looking at the Star and Inquirer when you buy
> groceries. Britney, Paris, Nicole, etc. are always shown with
> unshaven, unwashed men.
True. I should have said "ladies" instead of "girls." No lady in her
right mind would be caught with the kind of losers that crowd is
routinely involved with.
Mike Ash
Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
> Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> wrote in news:mike-4CBB37.10424920062009
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > In article <Xns9C30337B9314Dlk...@207.115.33.102>,
> > Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
> >
> >> > Funny, I've had no trouble obtaining and keeping a great job and a
> >> > great wife while never, ever wearing a tie.
> >>
> >> You apparently can't tell the difference between people who get hired
> >> and people who do the hiring.
> >
> > None of the founders of my company ever wore a suit while building it
> > either. (And I was employee #1 so there's nobody else left to discuss.)
> > Try again.
>
> What company is that?
No, I don't think I'll be telling you. I'm sure you could find it pretty
quickly if you cared to.
I don't know why you care, though. It's extremely common in the computer
business to find no-suit companies. Indeed, it has become so ingrained
that many people in the industry have gone past being clothing-neutral
and actually consider a suit to be a warning sign that the company has
some sort of defect. (Ties being much the same as suits here, merely
less so.)
cryptoguy
> Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote innews:ws21-632761.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <h1giea$9f...@solani.org>, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 2009-06-19 10:31:59 -0700, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> >> said:
>
> >> >> t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
> >> >>news:VpPZl.55644$qa.5...@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
>
> >> >>> necktie!
>
> >> >> If your necktie is uncomfortable, you're buying the wrong size
> >> >> shirt.
>
> >> > looking, bit of cloth tied tightly around your neck.
>
>
> >> with buttons were invented.
>
> >> But if you're wearing a necktie and it's uncomfortable, it's probably
> >> because your shirt collar is too small.
>
> >> kdb
>
> > Seventy percent of healthy men experience an increase in internal eye
> > blood pressure after wearing a tight necktie for three minutes. Raised
> > internal eye blood pressure is the most important known risk factor
> > for the development and progression of glaucoma.
>
> > --British Journal of Ophthalmology
>
> > They don't mention the collar. I suspect it doesn';t matter which one
> > is tight.
>
> Yes it does. If the collar is loose, the tie is loose too, because you
> tighten it to fit the collar, not your neck.
>
> > And if you don't wear a necktie, you don't have to button
> > your collar.
>
> Clothes make the man.
The goal is to look good. A comfortable sized color, with a tie
snugged up to fit it, looks great. You don't want the tie to sag due
to being larger than the collar, neither do you want it so tight is
tightens around the neck.
Wear a comfortably sized collar, and fit the tie to it. You'll look
and feel good.
pt
Kurt Busiek
> On Jun 19, 5:42�pm, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>> Bill Steele <w...@cornell.edu> wrote innews:ws21-632761.14145719062009@ne
And heck, there are ways to look and feel good that don't involve ties, too.
kdb
Wayne Throop
: And heck, there are ways to look and feel good that don't involve ties, too.
It is better to look good than to feel good.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Kurt Busiek
> : Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.comics>
> : And heck, there are ways to look and feel good that don't involve ties, too.
>
> It is better to look good than to feel good.
Both at once is uncontestably superior.
kdb
Dorothy J Heydt
>: Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.comics>
>: And heck, there are ways to look and feel good that don't involve
>ties, too.
>
>It is better to look good than to feel good.
Il faut souffrir pour etre beau?
berk
There is Drift and then there is Drift but this thread started about
Dejah Thoris or Mars and her not wearing any clothes.
berk
peachy ashie passion
So the drift to just talking about clothes is pretty darn minor.
We deserve an award or something.
Quadibloc
> >It is better to look good than to feel good.
>
> Il faut souffrir pour etre beau?
Not necessarily. It is simply that, to the extent that there is a
conflict, looking good is the thing that is profitable.
John Savard
John F. Eldredge
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:06:13 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
> <tednolan>) wrote:
>
>>In article <04sd35h3ib5aakf4m...@4ax.com>, David Johnston
>><da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:00:07 -0400, "Steven L."
>>><sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 13, 10:41 am, Brenda Clough <clo...@erols.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Everybody knows it is very hot and humid on Mars -- at least,
>>>>>> Burrough's Mars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm, yes, but it was dry there; after all, as with Percival
>>>>> Lowell's Mars, the Martians did have to build an extensive network
>>>>> of irrigation canals. Burroughs' Mars was actually more realistic -
>>>>> the Martians _also_ had to build atmosphere plants because the air
>>>>> was getting too thin to breathe.
>>>>
>>>>The inhabitants of Mars, including Ms. Thoris, eschewed clothing
>>>>(except ornamentation) as a matter of style. It had nothing to do
>>>>with the climate.
>>>
>>>Unless it was warm for them they would quickly find that style
>>>uncomfortable.
>>
>>Maybe they like being uncomfortable. Look at the corset and necktie!
>
> Yes, but John Carter didn't describe Deja Thoris as being blue and
> shaking.
This reminds me of a scene early in _The Homeward Bounders_, by Diana
Wynne Jones. A young English boy looks at a nude statue and wonders why
the artist left out the goosebumps.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Bluuuue Rajah
570e33...@p21g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
> There is Drift and then there is Drift but this thread started about
> Dejah Thoris or Mars and her not wearing any clothes.
It's easier for a guy in a nice suit to make time with a naked Martian
princess, than for a guy who is dressed poorly.
Quadibloc
> There is Drift and then there is Drift but this thread started about
> Dejah Thoris or Mars and her not wearing any clothes.
Yes, but the initial topic was pretty silly. Lots of actresses have
appeared nude (without "showing anything") in magazines like GQ or
Maxim, and still largely kept their clothes on in the movies in which
they appeared, and so the logic of the original post, in claiming that
the upcoming movie based on Burroughs' Mars novels would be done in
authentic costume was not valid.
John Savard
Matthias Warkus
> "While the females for the most part looked on, occasionally
> making remarks about girdles and high heels and commenting
> that no matter whether comfortable or not, formal dress looked
> good on men, the more formal the better, with full-dress
> white-tie-and-tails looking better than anything."
As someone who has dressed in jeans and t-shirts for nearly all of his
life and who has bought the second of his two suits for his graduation
ceremony, I can confirm that
a) a tailor-made suit is not necessarily very expensive
b) formal dress can be comfortable, even if not tailor-made
c) women uniformly seem to dig it
d) and as incredibly as that may have sounded to me a year ago, it does
increase my self-confidence, but it took some getting used to it
I however have the impression that men's clothing, like men's shoes, is
*much* more expensive than women's clothing on the same level of
quality.
mawa
Cheryl P.
> As someone who has dressed in jeans and t-shirts for nearly all of his
> life and who has bought the second of his two suits for his graduation
> ceremony, I can confirm that
> a) a tailor-made suit is not necessarily very expensive
> b) formal dress can be comfortable, even if not tailor-made
> c) women uniformly seem to dig it
> d) and as incredibly as that may have sounded to me a year ago, it does
> increase my self-confidence, but it took some getting used to it
>
> I however have the impression that men's clothing, like men's shoes, is
> *much* more expensive than women's clothing on the same level of quality.
>
> mawa
>
I don't usually buy men's clothing, except rarely as gifts, but my
impression is exactly the opposite. Women's clothes tend to be much
worse quality than mens' clothes at about the same price level. Women's
clothing tends to be more decorative than durable. There are exceptions
in the 'basic' category (i.e. cheap but intended for informal or sports
situations) and possibly exceptions in price ranges that I simply don't
look at at they're far too expensive for me. You standard mid-market
office or dressy clothing for women tends to be badly made with narrow
and badly sewn seams, in flimsy fabric, hard to clean (ie dry clean
only, or claims to be machine washable but never looks the same again
afterwards). And don't get me started on shoes or boots.
Another clothes-related difficulty involves setting the thermostat in
the kind of office in which the men wear suits, including jackets, and
the women wear outfits made of lightweight fabrics that aren't designed
to include jackets and certainly not woolly sweaters.
Cheryl
Lawrence Watt-Evans
<War...@students.uni-marburg.de> wrote:
>I however have the impression that men's clothing, like men's shoes, is
>*much* more expensive than women's clothing on the same level of
>quality.
That depends how you're defining "quality." Women's clothing is
usually made almost disposable, intended to be worn only a few times
before wearing out or going hopelessly ouit of style, where men's
clothing is generally designed to last for years.
If you define it in terms of dollars per garment, men's clothing is
more expensive than women's clothing of similar social level. If you
define it in terms of dollar per garment hour -- that is, adjusting
for how much use the buyer can reasonably expect to get out of the
piece of clothing -- then women's clothing is much more expensive.
--
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I'm selling my comic collection -- see http://www.watt-evans.com/comics.html
I'm serializing a novel at http://www.watt-evans.com/realmsoflight0.html
Louann Miller
news:3dkv35l03h4rl22dd...@nntp.motzarella.org:
>
> If you define it in terms of dollars per garment, men's clothing is
> more expensive than women's clothing of similar social level. If you
> define it in terms of dollar per garment hour -- that is, adjusting
> for how much use the buyer can reasonably expect to get out of the
> piece of clothing -- then women's clothing is much more expensive.
ObPratchett: Vimes' theory of boots.
William December Starr
Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> said:
> berk <bayar...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> There is Drift and then there is Drift but this thread started
>> about Dejah Thoris or Mars and her not wearing any clothes.
>
> It's easier for a guy in a nice suit to make time with a naked
> Martian princess, than for a guy who is dressed poorly.
Or, the naked Martian princess may wonder why the weirdo is wearing
the bizarre outfit.
-- wds
Bluuuue Rajah
@panix1.panix.com:
It was given to him by Spider-Man.
Chuk Goodin
>Seventy percent of healthy men experience an increase in internal eye
>blood pressure after wearing a tight necktie for three minutes. Raised
>internal eye blood pressure is the most important known risk factor for
>the development and progression of glaucoma.
Turns out if you tighten that tie even more, you can get the blood
pressure increase in 100% of men. But only for a short time.
--
chuk
Paul Ciszek
In article <h1giea$9fj$1...@solani.org>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>
>But if you're wearing a necktie and it's uncomfortable, it's probably
>because your shirt collar is too small.
If your shirt collar is comfortable, then it isn't a proper dress shirt.
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Bluuuue Rajah
news:h2p85f$b4m$1...@reader1.panix.com:
> In article <h1giea$9fj$1...@solani.org>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>But if you're wearing a necktie and it's uncomfortable, it's probably
>>because your shirt collar is too small.
>
> If your shirt collar is comfortable, then it isn't a proper dress
> shirt.
Wrong.