Philip K. Dick--Hollywood's favorite SF author?
Ken from Chicago
Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute? If not he,
who?
Asimov? Bradbury? Clarke? non ABC authors? Bester? Ellison? Heinlein? Poe?
Verne? Wells?
Whose work is adapted from or inspires more than PKD's?
-- Ken from Chicago
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Verne and Wells are undoubtedly big contenders, with just a single one
of each's works responsible for NUMEROUS adaptations, and adaptations
done of multiple other works.
In terms of sheer numbers of adaptations, in the SF/F arena (since you
mention Poe, who didn't do any real SF I can think of) I don't think
there is even any competition; Bram Stoker and Dracula wins hands down.
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Ken from Chicago
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My bad, I phrase that poorly. There are more adaptations of Vernes and
Wells--of the same stories. Is there an SF writer to have more DIFFERENT
stories adapted by Hollywood than of PKD?
-- Ken from Chicago
Bill Patterson
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> > Ken from Chicago wrote:
> >>http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might...
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> >> Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute? If not
> >> he, who?
>
> >> Asimov? Bradbury? Clarke? non ABC authors? Bester? Ellison? Heinlein?
> >> Poe? Verne? Wells?
>
> >> Whose work is adapted from or inspires more than PKD's?
>
> > Verne and Wells are undoubtedly big contenders, with just a single one of
> > each's works responsible for NUMEROUS adaptations, and adaptations done of
> > multiple other works.
>
> > In terms of sheer numbers of adaptations, in the SF/F arena (since you
> > mention Poe, who didn't do any real SF I can think of) I don't think there
> > is even any competition; Bram Stoker and Dracula wins hands down.
>
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> My bad, I phrase that poorly. There are more adaptations of Vernes and
> Wells--of the same stories. Is there an SF writer to have more DIFFERENT
> stories adapted by Hollywood than of PKD?
>
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I think Verne and Wells still answer your query --- All of Wells'
scientific romances have been made into multiple adaptations (2 of War
of the Worlds just within the last decade) and a number of his short
stories made it to TV, either directly or pirated. Similarly, most of
Verne's voyages extraordinaires have been multiply adapted --
including Robur the Conqueror and the War in the Air and Michael
Strogoff, which doesn't strike me as particularly cinematic. Didn't
we just get another adaptation of Journey to the Center of the Earth?
I think PKD is a currently fashionable subject for adaptation because
there just aren't that many postmodern sf writers who thought they
were writing commercial fiction of the 1960's and 70's. The qualities
that made him odd and unaccountable during his life are exactly what
makes him adaptable now.
I have no idea, though, why you exclude Poe as never having written
any genuine sf. For the state of science in the 19th century, The Man
Who Was Used Up, Some Conversations With a Mummy, were not only sf,
they were humorous sf; and on the less humorous side, Mellonta Tauta,
Hans Pfall -- those are a few that occur to me off the top of my head.
Another multiply-adapted single story that hasn't been mentioned in
this thread is Frankenstein.
Anim8rFSK
<cc321ad0-8cfa-4bd6...@d19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Bill Patterson <WHPat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Verne and Wells still answer your query --- All of Wells'
> scientific romances have been made into multiple adaptations (2 of War
> of the Worlds just within the last decade)
2 in the last 10 years? Try 5 in the last 4 years!
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> I think PKD is a currently fashionable subject for adaptation because
> there just aren't that many postmodern sf writers who thought they
> were writing commercial fiction of the 1960's and 70's. The qualities
> that made him odd and unaccountable during his life are exactly what
> makes him adaptable now.
Plus the fact that we're living in a (for him) future that feels a lot
like the dystopias he envisioned. Homeland Security and The Patriot
Act sound very Dickian to me. As do cell phones that continuously
report your location via GPS links so governments can keep track of
you and so advertisers can target you with solicitations -- you get a
Starbucks ad on your phone as you walk down the street toward a
Starbucks. Or on-line merchandisers that build and update a profile
of your tastes and interests based on the web sites you visit. All
very Dickian.
Matt Hughes
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David DeLaney
> Bill Patterson <WHPat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think Verne and Wells still answer your query --- All of Wells'
>> scientific romances have been made into multiple adaptations (2 of War
>> of the Worlds just within the last decade)
>
>2 in the last 10 years? Try 5 in the last 4 years!
Truly, the Hollywood Singularity approacheth.
Dave "if we're lucky, it will not involve Keanu" DeLaney
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Not more, but Asimov -> I, Robot &
Heinlein -> Stormship Troopers
are examples from the top of my head.
I recently watched "Paycheck" (PKD) & enjoyed it.
"Butterfly Effect" & "Jumper" don't appear to be related to any of the above
writers; TV Series Kyle XY also?
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Nicholas Waller
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>
>
>
> > Ken from Chicago wrote:
> >>http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might...
>
> >> Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute? If not
> >> he, who?
>
> >> Asimov? Bradbury? Clarke? non ABC authors? Bester? Ellison? Heinlein?
> >> Poe? Verne? Wells?
>
> >> Whose work is adapted from or inspires more than PKD's?
>
> > Verne and Wells are undoubtedly big contenders, with just a single one of
> > each's works responsible for NUMEROUS adaptations, and adaptations done of
> > multiple other works.
>
> > In terms of sheer numbers of adaptations, in the SF/F arena (since you
> > mention Poe, who didn't do any real SF I can think of) I don't think there
> > is even any competition; Bram Stoker and Dracula wins hands down.
>
> > --
> > Sea Wasp
> > /^\
> > ;;; Live Journal:http://seawasp.livejournal.com
>
> My bad, I phrase that poorly. There are more adaptations of Vernes and
> Wells--of the same stories. Is there an SF writer to have more DIFFERENT
> stories adapted by Hollywood than of PKD?
Looking at imdb, Philip K Dick has just 20 projects to his name, HG
Wells 81 and Verne 131. For instance, Wells: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0920229/
Of course, for Wells a lot of these are not adaptations of his SF
books but of his social novels, like The History of Mr Polly; and many
have been done several times. Also, these numbers include lots of TV
adaptations, and many of these and the movie productions are foreign
(Russian, French, Turkish, Italian, French, British etc), so by
definition not Hollywood... so you'd have to go through the lists
yourself and decide what to include and exclude.
Bram Stoker has 57 projects to his name, Poe has 213.
Clarke has just 9, though obviously one is superbiggie, Asimov 18 and
Bradbury 73. Heinlein 12, John Wyndham 16. Brian Aldiss, though very
prolific as a writer, only 3 (one of those being AI).
JG Ballard, who is in a ball park overlapping with Dick's, has 12 to
his name, including a couple of forthcoming ones such as High Rise.
Now he's dead, he might get more interest - there's talk of Concrete
Island being done with Christian Bale, who played the JGB character in
Empire of the Sun. But then he is often not very SF - neither Crash
nor Empire of the Sun are SF.
--
Nick
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If one counts "Ray Bradbury Theater" that adds all 58 episodes under
his name.
Turk
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> - Show quoted text -
It's not just literal adaptations, but stylistic influence. After
Blade Runner, there were countless dark future films that were
produced that were not based on anything from his work but look like
it. So it feels like there is more PKD stuff out there than there
actually is.
Turk
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Nicholas Waller <narm...@googlemail.com> said:
> JG Ballard, who is in a ball park overlapping with Dick's, has 12
> to his name, including a couple of forthcoming ones such as High
> Rise. Now he's dead, he might get more interest - there's talk of
> Concrete Island being done with Christian Bale, who played the JGB
> character in Empire of the Sun.
Of course, the ratio of the number of movies about which there is
talk of them being made, to the number of them that actually get made,
is... large.
-- wds
Ken from Chicago
"Nicholas Waller" <narm...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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~Looking at imdb, Philip K Dick has just 20 projects to his name, HG
~Wells 81 and Verne 131. For instance, Wells:
~http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0920229/
~
~Of course, for Wells a lot of these are not adaptations of his SF
~books but of his social novels, like The History of Mr Polly; and many
~have been done several times. Also, these numbers include lots of TV
~adaptations, and many of these and the movie productions are foreign
~(Russian, French, Turkish, Italian, French, British etc), so by
~definition not Hollywood... so you'd have to go through the lists
~yourself and decide what to include and exclude.
~
~Bram Stoker has 57 projects to his name, Poe has 213.
How many of the Bram Stoker projects are adaptations of Dracula? 70% 80%
90%?
~Clarke has just 9, though obviously one is superbiggie, Asimov 18 and
~Bradbury 73. Heinlein 12, John Wyndham 16. Brian Aldiss, though very
~prolific as a writer, only 3 (one of those being AI).
~JG Ballard, who is in a ball park overlapping with Dick's, has 12 to
~his name, including a couple of forthcoming ones such as High Rise.
~Now he's dead, he might get more interest - there's talk of Concrete
~Island being done with Christian Bale, who played the JGB character in
~Empire of the Sun. But then he is often not very SF - neither Crash
~nor Empire of the Sun are SF.
Christian Bale of TERMINATOR SALVATION, THE DARK KNIGHT, THE PRESTIGE,
BATMAN BEGINS, EQUILIBRIUM, REIGN OF FIRE?
He might not have started out much in SF, but he has been ramping up this
millenium.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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On Jun 21, 12:08 pm, Bill Patterson <WHPatter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think PKD is a currently fashionable subject for adaptation because
> there just aren't that many postmodern sf writers who thought they
> were writing commercial fiction of the 1960's and 70's. The qualities
> that made him odd and unaccountable during his life are exactly what
> makes him adaptable now.
~Plus the fact that we're living in a (for him) future that feels a lot
~like the dystopias he envisioned. Homeland Security and The Patriot
~Act sound very Dickian to me. As do cell phones that continuously
~report your location via GPS links so governments can keep track of
~you and so advertisers can target you with solicitations -- you get a
~Starbucks ad on your phone as you walk down the street toward a
~Starbucks. Or on-line merchandisers that build and update a profile
~of your tastes and interests based on the web sites you visit. All
~very Dickian.
I keep wanting to misspell that as Dickensian.
~Matt Hughes
~http://www.archonate.com
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Don't forget public cameras--that the public clamor for (like National
ID).
Ken from Chicago
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Vaporfilm.
-- Ken from Chicago
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Actually, I think the top winner in the modern era, hands down, would
be Stan Lee.
Mike Schilling
>
> Clarke has just 9, though obviously one is superbiggie,
That one isn't an adaptation per se: the movie and novel were worked
on more or les simultaneously.
Dan Clore
Perhaps H.P. Lovecraft.
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Nigel
>
> > Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute? If not he,
> > who?
>
> > Asimov? Bradbury? Clarke? non ABC authors? Bester? Ellison? Heinlein? Poe?
> > Verne? Wells?
>
> > Whose work is adapted from or inspires more than PKD's?
>
> Verne and Wells are undoubtedly big contenders, with just a single one
> of each's works responsible for NUMEROUS adaptations, and adaptations
> done of multiple other works.
>
> In terms of sheer numbers of adaptations, in the SF/F arena (since you
> mention Poe, who didn't do any real SF I can think of) I don't think
> there is even any competition; Bram Stoker and Dracula wins hands down.
>
Frankenstein must be running it a close second.
Cheers,
Nigel.
Ken from Chicago
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~Frankenstein must be running it a close second.
~
~Cheers,
~Nigel.
See, I was considering VARIETY of stories adapted as opposed to number of
adaptations of the SAME story. Upthread someone mentioned about 50+ projects
with Bram Stoker and it turns out to be 90 % adaptations of Dracula.
I understand how 100 adaptations of the same story by author A can outweigh
10 adaptations of 10 stories from author B indicates that A is more popular
than B since Hollywood keeps going back to A. The flip side of the argument
tho is that A's story was more popular as opposed to the breadth of stories
that A wrote. I was interested more in variety, such that B produced a
greater variety of stories that adapted.
It's like one-hit-wonders in music. Did audiences like the singer or merely
the song in question, resulting in other songs said singer performs not
being "hits".
-- Ken from Chicago
Nigel
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> "Nigel" <ncwa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I can see that. However, it is also the case that some stories embody
an archetype so well that they inspire many other stories. Most of
the films inspired by Dracula and Frankenstein have very little
resemblence to the original stories.
>
> It's like one-hit-wonders in music. Did audiences like the singer or merely
> the song in question, resulting in other songs said singer performs not
> being "hits".
>
In PKD's case, it could be that he didn't secure the film rights as
well as other SF authors. Or perhaps his stories can be more easily
adapted to the screen in a form that appeals to a general audience.
Cheers,
Nigel.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>> � � � � In terms of sheer numbers of adaptations, in the SF/F arena (since you
>> mention Poe, who didn't do any real SF I can think of) I don't think
>> there is even any competition; Bram Stoker and Dracula wins hands down.
>>
>
>Frankenstein must be running it a close second.
And Shelly didn't write as much as Stoker did.
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But they were loosely based on Clarke's pre-existing short story "The
Sentinel."
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Scoop
: [crossposts added]
: Ken from Chicago wrote:
: > http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might_not_know_about.html
: >
: > Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute? If not he,
: > who?
: >
: > Asimov? Bradbury? Clarke? non ABC authors? Bester? Ellison? Heinlein? Poe?
: > Verne? Wells?
: >
: > Whose work is adapted from or inspires more than PKD's?
: Perhaps H.P. Lovecraft.
Not sure I'm parsing this as intended. Are you talking about HPL as a
greater pop-cultural influence than PKD? (If so, I'd agree, at least
philosophically/esthetically.)
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wrote:
>In PKD's case, it could be that he didn't secure the film rights as
>well as other SF authors. Or perhaps his stories can be more easily
>adapted to the screen in a form that appeals to a general audience.
It's more like, he has an agent who did a better job SELLING the film
rights. Which is the case, the agent in question being Russell Galen.
This is much of why Russ appears as a semi-heroic character in... I
think it's _Radio Free Albemuth_. Because he got PKD good money for
_Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_ right when he most needed it.
Phil Dick controlled the film rights to all his work, nothing went
unprotected.
And the reason there have been so many PKD movie projects is really
pretty simple: "Blade Runner" appealed to Hollywood execs, so they
went to see if the author had other stuff available, and Russ made it
easy for them to buy other cool, high-concept stuff from Dick's
estate.
When "Total Recall" and "Minority Report" also did well, that
reinforced the whole idea.
Why haven't other authors done as well? In some cases it's because
their first film flopped -- Barry B. Longyear, for example, did not
get any real buzz from "Enemy Mine." In other cases it's because
they're a pain to deal with, or their agents are a pain to deal with
-- PKD being dead and his heirs leaving control entirely to Russ as
long as the money keeps coming in have avoided this issue. (I believe
Russ is PKD's literary executor; to regain control the heirs would
need to have a court remove him, and that's not worth the hassle.)
Al Smith
As to who's work has been adapted more than Dick's, obviously that
of our old bug-a-boo, Stephen King, who is a SF writer some of the time.
But as to inspiration, Lovecraft inspired a host of trends in horror
fiction and movies. I don't believe King has inspired anything
because his works don't contain anything that's original.
J. R. R. Tolkien has inspired a host of fantasy works. He made
dwarves (dwarfs) elves and orcs (goblins) popular, and did a great
deal to help along the wizard craze, although the adaptations of
Merlin and the Arthurian legends also had something to do with the
current popularity of wizards. I wouldn't class him as a science
fiction writer, though.
Heinlein was the ideas man of SF. He wouldn't let movies be made of
his books during his lifetime, and after his death, the attempts
have been spotty -- "Puppet Masters" was a failure, "Starship
Troopers" more or less a success, even though people did not
understand the satire, and the sequels have been abysmal.
Michael Crichton has had immense success in Hollywood, and has
inspired a host of films that deal with near-future science
breakthroughs or disasters. His "Westworld" film inspired a small
industry of films based on fantasy worlds, and his "Terminal Man"
was arguably the prototype for the SF version of the zombie -- see
the Terminator films, which deal with a cyborg run amuck.
-Al-
Mike Schilling
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:43:11 -0700, "Mike Schilling"
> <mscotts...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nicholas Waller wrote:
>>>
>>> Clarke has just 9, though obviously one is superbiggie,
>>
>> That one isn't an adaptation per se: the movie and novel were worked
>> on more or les simultaneously.
>
> But they were loosely based on Clarke's pre-existing short story "The
> Sentinel."
'Strewth (though I'd say "expanded from", since "The Sentinel" ends, what, a
third of the way through the film?)
Joseph Nebus
I think 'The Sentinel' starts about a quarter of the way through
the film, and ends about a third of the way through. I think that the
Sentinel was more shiny, too, but now I'm not positive of that; it's
been years since I read it.
--
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trag
> As to who's work has been adapted more than Dick's, obviously that
> of our old bug-a-boo, Stephen King, who is a SF writer some of the time.
>
> But as to inspiration, Lovecraft inspired a host of trends in horror
> fiction and movies. I don't believe King has inspired anything
> because his works don't contain anything that's original.
King has mentioned HP Lovecraft as a large influence and a favorite
author.
I'm not well enough versed to say that nothing of King's is original,
but when he is 'on' King is excellent at getting inside the heads of
his characters and sharing little thoughts that they have and that we
all have, but rarely or never admit to.
trag
> "Starship
> Troopers" more or less a success, even though people did not
> understand the satire,
^^^^^^^^
I do not think that word means what you think it means....
Al Smith
Sure, King is a very talented writer. No question about it. But he
derives all his ideas from comic books, old movies and the writings
of other people. He just puts a new spin on them. Phillip K. Dick
had some really original ideas.
Of course, you're always going to get the odd critic coming out of
the bushes to assert that nothing is truly original, and so on, but
some writers are more original than others. Dick was original, and
so was Lovecraft, but King just is not. I can't think of anything
he's written that stands out as an original concept.
"Christine" (which I really enjoyed, by the way) was pretty much a
rip-off of the television movie "The Car." "Salem's Lot" (arguably
his best novel) was a standard vampire novel. "Silver Bullet" was a
standard werewolf story. No innovation in the mythology of either
one. He's done the standard haunted house novel, a rip-off of
Jackson's "Haunting of Hill House." "Thinner" was somewhat less
obvious, since we hadn't seen much about gypsy curses when it came
out. "Cujo" can be called original only because no other writer was
crazy enough to stretch a ten page short story into a 600 page novel.
But overall, King is about as original as a slice of cheese pizza.
-Al-
Blackwingbear
> On 6/22/2009 11:00 AM, Scoop wrote:
> But as to inspiration, Lovecraft inspired a host of trends in horror
> fiction and movies. I don't believe King has inspired anything
> because his works don't contain anything that's original.
Then you obviously aren't much of a reader of his. There are some
things & ideas King did develop: "The Company", Tick-Tock (the avatar
of Nyarlathotep!), and others.. Just because YOU aren't a fan of his
"literary frankfurters" (to quote Bradbury) mean they lack total
merit.
> J. R. R. Tolkien has inspired a host of fantasy works. He made
> dwarves (dwarfs) elves and orcs (goblins) popular, and did a great
> deal to help along the wizard craze, although the adaptations of
> Merlin and the Arthurian legends also had something to do with the
> current popularity of wizards. I wouldn't class him as a science
> fiction writer, though.
He was a PLAGIARIST. He STOLE his works from Welsh mythology. He
definitely does NOT deserve the credit and "fan-boy" accolades he has
received.
>
> Heinlein was the ideas man of SF. He wouldn't let movies be made of
> his books during his lifetime, and after his death, the attempts
> have been spotty -- "Puppet Masters" was a failure, "Starship
> Troopers" more or less a success, even though people did not
> understand the satire, and the sequels have been abysmal.
"Puppet Masters" might have been a failure at the box-office, but it
was a decent film - Sutherland was excellent.
>
> Michael Crichton has had immense success in Hollywood, and has
> inspired a host of films that deal with near-future science
> breakthroughs or disasters. His "Westworld" film inspired a small
> industry of films based on fantasy worlds, and his "Terminal Man"
> was arguably the prototype for the SF version of the zombie -- see
> the Terminator films, which deal with a cyborg run amuck.
Actually, you SHOULD be crediting Sofia Stewart for that - it WAS her
stories which they ripped-off the ideas for "Terminator" and "The
Matrix" films from.
Please, if we are going to analyze other authors...
Blackwingbear
> "Christine" (which I really enjoyed, by the way) was pretty much a
> rip-off of the television movie "The Car." "Salem's Lot" (arguably
> his best novel) was a standard vampire novel. "Silver Bullet" was a
> standard werewolf story. No innovation in the mythology of either
> one. He's done the standard haunted house novel, a rip-off of
> Jackson's "Haunting of Hill House." "Thinner" was somewhat less
> obvious, since we hadn't seen much about gypsy curses when it came
> out. "Cujo" can be called original only because no other writer was
> crazy enough to stretch a ten page short story into a 600 page novel.
>
> But overall, King is about as original as a slice of cheese pizza.
>
> -Al-
That's the extent of your familiarity?
Nicholas Waller
wrote:
> "Nicholas Waller" <narmi...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
[..]
> ~Now he's dead, he might get more interest - there's talk of Concrete
> ~Island being done with Christian Bale, who played the JGB character in
> ~Empire of the Sun. But then he is often not very SF - neither Crash
> ~nor Empire of the Sun are SF.
>
> Christian Bale of TERMINATOR SALVATION, THE DARK KNIGHT, THE PRESTIGE,
> BATMAN BEGINS, EQUILIBRIUM, REIGN OF FIRE?
>
> He might not have started out much in SF, but he has been ramping up this
> millenium.
The dead, often-not-very-sf person I was talking about was Ballard,
not Bale.
Nick
William George Ferguson
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Nigel" <ncw...@hotmail.com> wrote
>On 21 June, 16:57, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
>> In terms of sheer numbers of adaptations, in the SF/F arena (since you
>> mention Poe, who didn't do any real SF I can think of) I don't think
>> there is even any competition; Bram Stoker and Dracula wins hands down.
>>
>
>~Frankenstein must be running it a close second.
>~
>~Cheers,
>~Nigel.
>
>See, I was considering VARIETY of stories adapted as opposed to number of
>adaptations of the SAME story. Upthread someone mentioned about 50+ projects
>with Bram Stoker and it turns out to be 90 % adaptations of Dracula.
>
>I understand how 100 adaptations of the same story by author A can outweigh
>10 adaptations of 10 stories from author B indicates that A is more popular
>than B since Hollywood keeps going back to A. The flip side of the argument
>tho is that A's story was more popular as opposed to the breadth of stories
>that A wrote. I was interested more in variety, such that B produced a
>greater variety of stories that adapted.
Wretched meritorious B.
--
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
(Bene Gesserit)
Bill Patterson
wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:58:40 -0500, "Ken from Chicago"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Nigel" <ncwa...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> - Show quoted text -
Poor fellow!
Sean O'Hara
declared:
> http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might_not_know_about.html
>
> Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute?
Dick's daughter started a production company for the purpose of
getting his books turned into films. They're the ones who did the
animated A Scanner Darkly.
However, Dick's widow is disputing the rights, so the subsequent
movies might not get made.
--
Sean O'Hara <http://www.diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com>
New audio book: As Long as You Wish by John O'Keefe
<http://librivox.org/short-science-fiction-collection-010/>
Sean O'Hara
declared:
> >
> I think 'The Sentinel' starts about a quarter of the way through
> the film, and ends about a third of the way through. I think that the
> Sentinel was more shiny, too, but now I'm not positive of that; it's
> been years since I read it.
>
But the first quarter is based upon Encounter at Dawn, except we
never see the aliens.
Anim8rFSK
Sean O'Hara <sean...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Ken from Chicago
> declared:
> > http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might_not_kn
> > ow_about.html
> >
> > Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute?
>
> Dick's daughter started a production company for the purpose of
> getting his books turned into films. They're the ones who did the
> animated A Scanner Darkly.
>
> However, Dick's widow is disputing the rights, so the subsequent
> movies might not get made.
I've seen A Scanner Darkly (which wasn't animated; running live action
through filters does not create animation). It was a crime against
Dick's memory and the audience in general. Better to never make
anything from his work again.
--
Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
--actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
Sean O'Hara
Watt-Evans declared:
> >
> And the reason there have been so many PKD movie projects is really
> pretty simple: "Blade Runner" appealed to Hollywood execs,
It did? Kinda odd for a commercial and critical flop. People were
impressed by the design, but until Scott's first alternate cut came
out (post-Total Recall, if i recall) it was considered an ambitious
disaster.
Mike Ash
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <7ahoiqF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Sean O'Hara <sean...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Ken from Chicago
> > declared:
> > > http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might_not_
> > > kn
> > > ow_about.html
> > >
> > > Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute?
> >
> > Dick's daughter started a production company for the purpose of
> > getting his books turned into films. They're the ones who did the
> > animated A Scanner Darkly.
> >
> > However, Dick's widow is disputing the rights, so the subsequent
> > movies might not get made.
>
> I've seen A Scanner Darkly (which wasn't animated; running live action
> through filters does not create animation). It was a crime against
> Dick's memory and the audience in general. Better to never make
> anything from his work again.
"Running live action through filters" is a poor description of how _A
Scanner Darkly_ was made. They used rotoscoping, which means that actual
human beings created the final product by tracing the frames from the
live-action film*. This is considered to be a form of animation.
* They actually used a more high-tech version, where the animators
traced out keyframes and a computer system helped to fill in the
in-between frames. This is still animation.
--
Mike Ash
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Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon
George W Harris
wrote:
>In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Lawrence
>Watt-Evans declared:
>> >
>> And the reason there have been so many PKD movie projects is really
>> pretty simple: "Blade Runner" appealed to Hollywood execs,
>
>It did? Kinda odd for a commercial and critical flop. People were
>impressed by the design, but until Scott's first alternate cut came
>out (post-Total Recall, if i recall) it was considered an ambitious
>disaster.
Not really. The alternate cuts didn't come out
until the early '90s, but it had become critically praised
long before then. Of course, at the time it wasn't
deemed a success, although I thought it was brilliant.
--
Doesn't the fact that there are *exactly* 50 states seem a little suspicious?
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Dimensional Traveler
--
Things I learned from MythBusters #57: Never leave a loaded gun in an
exploding room.
Anim8rFSK
Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> wrote:
> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-34A74...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <7ahoiqF...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Sean O'Hara <sean...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Ken from Chicago
> > > declared:
> > > > http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might_no
> > > > t_
> > > > kn
> > > > ow_about.html
> > > >
> > > > Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute?
> > >
> > > Dick's daughter started a production company for the purpose of
> > > getting his books turned into films. They're the ones who did the
> > > animated A Scanner Darkly.
> > >
> > > However, Dick's widow is disputing the rights, so the subsequent
> > > movies might not get made.
> >
> > I've seen A Scanner Darkly (which wasn't animated; running live action
> > through filters does not create animation). It was a crime against
> > Dick's memory and the audience in general. Better to never make
> > anything from his work again.
>
> "Running live action through filters" is a poor description of how _A
> Scanner Darkly_ was made. They used rotoscoping, which means that actual
No, they didn't. They used something they called Rotoshop, which is
incorrectly described on places like Wiki as a form of rotoscope. It's
not, as it varies too greatly in both technique and equipment (it
doesn't, for instance, use a rotoscope) from Fleischer's patented
process).
> human beings created the final product by tracing the frames from the
Human beings worked on some keys
> live-action film*. This is considered to be a form of animation.
Not by animators it's not. Hell, I know animators that don't consider
true rotoscoping animation, and rotoshop doesn't require 1/100th of the
talent rotocoping does.
>
> * They actually used a more high-tech version, where the animators
They have computer techs tracing stills. They don't have animators.
They don't have people creating motion.
> traced out keyframes and a computer system helped to fill in the
> in-between frames. This is still animation.
Nope. It's highly processed live action. While the line between them
is blurry, A Scanner Darkly falls well below the threshold to be
considered animation, as do the dreadful Charles Schwab ads created with
the same method.
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
There's that.
Warchild
> In article <7ahoiqF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Sean O'Hara <sean...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Ken from Chicago
> > declared:
> > > http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might_not_
> > > kn
> > > ow_about.html
> > >
> > > Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute?
> >
> > Dick's daughter started a production company for the purpose of
> > getting his books turned into films. They're the ones who did the
> > animated A Scanner Darkly.
> >
> > However, Dick's widow is disputing the rights, so the subsequent
> > movies might not get made.
>
> I've seen A Scanner Darkly (which wasn't animated; running live action
> through filters does not create animation). It was a crime against
> Dick's memory and the audience in general. Better to never make
> anything from his work again.
Wow, that is so wrong.
ASD was effin brilliant. The Best PKD movie yet made.
Warchild
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
If that is what you think, then you must not like PKD. Which is fine.
That movie was the most straightforward adaptation made from one of his
works. Most of the other movies use some plot elements, but do not
succeed in translating his style. A Scanner Darkly separates the PDK
fans from the 'action film remotely based on PDK' fans.
Dimensional Traveler
> In article <ANIM8Rfsk-ECAE1...@news.dc1.easynews.com>,
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <4a43e1a1$0$1592$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
<snip discussion of whether or not 'A Scanner Darkly' was animated or not>
>>> And it was still incoherent gibberish.
>> There's that.
>
> If that is what you think, then you must not like PKD. Which is fine.
> That movie was the most straightforward adaptation made from one of his
> works. Most of the other movies use some plot elements, but do not
> succeed in translating his style. A Scanner Darkly separates the PDK
> fans from the 'action film remotely based on PDK' fans.
I don't really have an opinion about Philip K. Dick either way. I saw
'A Scanner Darkly' when it came out in theatres and all I can remember
understanding of it was it had something to do with stoned secret police
and a megacorp growing drugs. Maybe I've forgotten some critical bit(s)
but that's the recollection I have.
Bill Patterson
> In article <7ahoiqF1cq9q...@mid.individual.net>,
> �Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Ken from Chicago
> > declared:
> > > ow_about.html
>
> > > Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute?
>
> > Dick's daughter started a production company for the purpose of
> > getting his books turned into films. They're the ones who did the
> > animated A Scanner Darkly.
>
> > However, Dick's widow is disputing the rights, so the subsequent
> > movies might not get made.
>
> I've seen A Scanner Darkly (which wasn't animated; running live action
> through filters does not create animation). �It was a crime against
> Dick's memory and the audience in general. �Better to never make
> anything from his work again.
>
> --
> Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
I have to agree: it committed the worst crime possible: it was
*dull* and even worse, absorbed the time of one of our most talented
actors in being dull.
Mike Ash
<bob-6F7D99.1...@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Warchild <b...@bob.com> wrote:
I never understood this idea of there being some kind of test you need
to pass in order to be considered a "fan".
I like PKD just fine. I'm particularly fond of _The Man in the High
Castle_ and _Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said_. But when it comes to
movie adaptations, I found _A Scanner Darkly_ to be tremendously boring.
I much prefer _Blade Runner_, _Minority Report_, or _Total Recall_, as
they are much more entertaining as movies, even if they are only loosely
related to their source material.
Movies and books are very different beasts. What works in one doesn't
necessarily work in the other. As far as I can tell, PKD's stories make
much better movies when they are reworked to fit the medium rather than
when they are reworked straightforwardly.
trike
> On Jun 22, 10:02 am, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
>
> > On 6/22/2009 11:00 AM, Scoop wrote:
> > But as to inspiration, Lovecraft inspired a host of trends in horror
> > fiction and movies. I don't believe King has inspired anything
> > because his works don't contain anything that's original.
>
> Then you obviously aren't much of a reader of his. There are some
> things & ideas King did develop: "The Company", Tick-Tock (the avatar
> of Nyarlathotep!), and others.. Just because YOU aren't a fan of his
> "literary frankfurters" (to quote Bradbury) mean they lack total
> merit.
It's amusing that you call Tick-Tock a "King original." Maybe try
some Lovecraft. Or Ellison.
Better yet, watch the original Twilight Zone. Inevitably you'll run
across nearly every King plot, from Christine to Carrie to It.
> > J. R. R. Tolkien has inspired a host of fantasy works. He made
> > dwarves (dwarfs) elves and orcs (goblins) popular, and did a great
> > deal to help along the wizard craze, although the adaptations of
> > Merlin and the Arthurian legends also had something to do with the
> > current popularity of wizards. I wouldn't class him as a science
> > fiction writer, though.
>
> He was a PLAGIARIST. He STOLE his works from Welsh mythology. He
> definitely does NOT deserve the credit and "fan-boy" accolades he has
> received.
Same can be said of King. Same story, different generation.
Ecclesiastes was right: there's nothing new under the sun.
Doug
trike
wrote:
> http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might...
>
> Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute? If not he,
> who?
>
> Asimov? Bradbury? Clarke? non ABC authors? Bester? Ellison? Heinlein? Poe?
> Verne? Wells?
>
> Whose work is adapted from or inspires more than PKD's?
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
In SF&F, it's Stephen King, hands down. A couple years ago he went
into triple digits for adaptations. Even accounting for duplicate
efforts, he's still way up there.
Ray Bradbury is probably second.
PKD is neck-and-neck with Asimov and Ian Fleming. (The Bond movies
are SF; never read the books.) Neil Gaiman is an up-and-comer who
might challenge them soon.
Stan Lee is way up there, but all the adaptations aren't of *his*
stories but stories written about characters he created. Stoker and
Shelley are up there, but those are mostly multiple adaptations of a
single story or two. Jules Verne is sort of the bridge between Lee
and Stoker/Shelley, in that a lot of the adaptations are about his
characters, but also plenty of them are direct versions of his
stories. (Related: Arthur Conan Doyle is a lot like Verne in this
regard.)
In terms of sheer number of translations, the all-time champ is
certainly Shakespeare. But only a few of his stories are Fantasy.
Doug
Bill Patterson
True -- and of the few fantasies, the best -- The Tempest -- has only
really atrocious adaptations.
Anim8rFSK
<63dcfd43-96b2-4e8a...@r25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Bill Patterson <WHPat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 10:06?am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > In article <7ahoiqF1cq9q...@mid.individual.net>,
> > ?Sean O'Hara <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Ken from Chicago
> > > declared:
> > > >http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36 upcoming scifi movies you might...
> > > > ow about.html
> >
> > > > Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute?
> >
> > > Dick's daughter started a production company for the purpose of
> > > getting his books turned into films. They're the ones who did the
> > > animated A Scanner Darkly.
> >
> > > However, Dick's widow is disputing the rights, so the subsequent
> > > movies might not get made.
> >
> > I've seen A Scanner Darkly (which wasn't animated; running live action
> > through filters does not create animation). ?It was a crime against
> > Dick's memory and the audience in general. ?Better to never make
> > anything from his work again.
> >
> > --
> > Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> > Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> > --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
> 1
> I have to agree: it committed the worst crime possible: it was
> *dull* and even worse, absorbed the time of one of our most talented
> actors in being dull.
Oh, staggeringly dull. Last train to Dullsville, leaving on track 9!
There's a quote on Wiki where one of the creators says something like "I
knew how to make movies, I didn't know how to make animation" and then
goes on to prove he didn't know how to make either.
Nicholas Waller
> On Jun 25, 11:06 pm, trike <dougtricar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In terms of sheer number of translations, the all-time champ is
> > certainly Shakespeare. But only a few of his stories are Fantasy.
>
> really atrocious adaptations.
I's a pity Michael Powell (who with Emeric Pressburger made The Red
Shoes, The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp, A Canterbury Tale, A
Matter of Life and Death, Black Narcissus and I Know Where I'm Going!
and more) didn't get his attempt at a movie version funded... a
screenplay was written, cast of James Mason, Mia Farrow, Topol,
Frankie Howerd and Malcolm McDowell, apparently*, and with a start
date of 5th March 1975.
(Powell went on to collaborate with Ursula Le Guin in 1981 on a screen
version of A Wizard of Earthsea which also didn't get made; by this
time he was 76 and considered too old to get insurance, though he
didn't in the end die until 1990).*
Matt Hughes
> True -- and of the few fantasies, the best -- The Tempest -- has only
> really atrocious adaptations.
I dunno, I kind of liked Forbidden Planet.
Matt Hughes
http://www.archonate.com
PV
>Wow, that is so wrong.
>
>ASD was effin brilliant. The Best PKD movie yet made.
ASD is not my favorite Dick book by far, but I thought they did a fair job
of catching the essense of it. ASD is all about drugs and paranoia, and I
think the effect worked very well in portraying that feel. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
George W Harris
<WHPat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 25, 11:06?pm, trike <dougtricar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 21, 10:43?am, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >http://denofgeek.com/movies/263379/36_upcoming_scifi_movies_you_might...
>>
>> > Is it just there's a current batch of adaptations in the chute? If not he,
>> > who?
>>
>> > Asimov? Bradbury? Clarke? non ABC authors? Bester? Ellison? Heinlein? Poe?
>> > Verne? Wells?
>>
>> > Whose work is adapted from or inspires more than PKD's?
>>
>> > -- Ken from Chicago
>>
>> In SF&F, it's Stephen King, hands down. ?A couple years ago he went
>> into triple digits for adaptations. ?Even accounting for duplicate
>> efforts, he's still way up there.
>>
>> Ray Bradbury is probably second.
>>
>> PKD is neck-and-neck with Asimov and Ian Fleming. ?(The Bond movies
>> are SF; never read the books.) ?Neil Gaiman is an up-and-comer who
>> might challenge them soon.
>>
>> Stan Lee is way up there, but all the adaptations aren't of *his*
>> stories but stories written about characters he created. ?Stoker and
>> Shelley are up there, but those are mostly multiple adaptations of a
>> single story or two. ?Jules Verne is sort of the bridge between Lee
>> and Stoker/Shelley, in that a lot of the adaptations are about his
>> characters, but also plenty of them are direct versions of his
>> stories. ?(Related: Arthur Conan Doyle is a lot like Verne in this
>> regard.)
>>
>> In terms of sheer number of translations, the all-time champ is
>> certainly Shakespeare. ?But only a few of his stories are Fantasy.
>>
>> Doug
>
>True -- and of the few fantasies, the best -- The Tempest -- has only
>really atrocious adaptations.
I thought "Forbidden Planet" was very good.
Warchild
Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> wrote:
Any contention that films based on PKD's books are 'reworked to fit the
medium' is a joke! 'Ripped to shit to fit the medium' would be apropos.
Mike Ash
<bob-1E8F1F.1...@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Warchild <b...@bob.com> wrote:
I see nothing in the definition of "rework" that would not fit here....
David Duffy
> On Jun 25, 11:06???pm, trike <dougtricar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> In terms of sheer number of translations, the all-time champ is
>>
>> Doug
> True -- and of the few fantasies, the best -- The Tempest -- has only
> really atrocious adaptations.
Are we talking the Greenaway one here? Then I may beg to differ, though it is
not necessarily very cinematic. He (later?) made a half-hour program that explicates
just 30 seconds of the Book of Water section -- very impressive.
David Duffy.
Jesper Lauridsen
> On Jun 26, 10:59�am, Bill Patterson <WHPatter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> True -- and of the few fantasies, the best -- The Tempest -- has only
>> really atrocious adaptations.
>
> I dunno, I kind of liked Forbidden Planet.
I also like the 1982 version by Mazursky (with John Cassavetes,
Susan Sarandon, Raul Julia and a lot of goats) and Greenaway's
"Prospero's Books".
IMDb list 741 titles for Shakespeare, with the first Tempest-adaption
being more than a century old.
William December Starr
Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> said:
> I like PKD just fine. I'm particularly fond of _The Man in the
> High Castle_ and _Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said_. But when it
> comes to movie adaptations, I found _A Scanner Darkly_ to be
> tremendously boring.
So: utterly faithful to the novel then?
-- wds
Warchild
Excepting the science fictional (for the time) of the monitoring of
everybody and the camouflage suits, 'A Scanner Darkly' is an accurate
portrayal of the paranoid drug culture of the '60's and the advent of
'self-help' cults, such as Synanon and Narconon.
William December Starr
Warchild <b...@bob.com> said:
> Excepting the science fictional (for the time) of the monitoring
> of everybody and the camouflage suits, 'A Scanner Darkly' is an
> accurate portrayal of the paranoid drug culture of the '60's and
> the advent of 'self-help' cults, such as Synanon and Narconon.
And a really boring novel too. But it did teach an important
lesson: if you take a lot of a drug that's been designed to destroy
your brain, after a while your brain _will_ be destroyed. Wow.
-- wds
Warchild
wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
It is not boring. Life is boring.
PV
>everybody and the camouflage suits, 'A Scanner Darkly' is an accurate
>portrayal of the paranoid drug culture of the '60's and the advent of
>'self-help' cults, such as Synanon and Narconon.
Yep. That's why I said ASD was about Drugs and Paranoia. It's hardly
science fiction at all anymore, other than one minor element, needed so you
can have someone so messed up that he's possibly spying on himself without
realizing it. *
David DeLaney
>Warchild <b...@bob.com> writes:
>>everybody and the camouflage suits, 'A Scanner Darkly' is an accurate
>>portrayal of the paranoid drug culture of the '60's and the advent of
>>'self-help' cults, such as Synanon and Narconon.
>
>Yep. That's why I said ASD was about Drugs and Paranoia. It's hardly
>science fiction at all anymore, other than one minor element, needed so you
>can have someone so messed up that he's possibly spying on himself without
>realizing it. *
Which ties into my review, which I haven't posted yet but it won't be too
long, of the third part of Mark Geston's Books of the Wars, _The Siege of
Wonder_...
Dave "no, I hadn't forgotten, it's just been a while" DeLaney
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Greg Goss
> In terms of sheer numbers of adaptations, in the SF/F arena (since you
>mention Poe, who didn't do any real SF I can think of) I don't think
>there is even any competition; Bram Stoker and Dracula wins hands down.
Bond: Fleming wasn't writing SF, but once you get Q handing out
goodies, the movies get closer.
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