Post Apocalyptic Worlds of the 2000s aka the PAWs that refreshes
Ken from Chicago
(especially back in the 1980s) to Hollywood, the post-apocalyptic world
story. End of the world stories have been popular for millennia, but PAWs
take it ... one step beyond. Yes, to quote REM, it's the end of the world,
and I feel fine. This is where the end of the world is just the beginning of
the story.
It's fitting that the decade would be hinted at with THE MATRIX, a stealth
PAW. From the trailers it was VR sure, but little did we know how deep the
rabbit hole would take us. From there we had
--ON THE BEACH, a tv movie remake of the 1959 movie,
--28 DAYS LATER and 28 WEEKS LATER (further reviving the zombie apocalypse
subgenre),
--CHILDREN OF MEN
--ULTRAVIOLET
--I AM LEGEND
--DOOMSDAY (okay this one's from UK not Hollywood)
--TERMINATOR: SALVATION
--THE ROAD
--IDIOCRACY (the comedic PAW showing PAWs need not be grim)
Even tv got in on the trend with several PAWs:
--JEREMIAH
--JERICHO
--FIREFLY (it was set after the End of the World)
--BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (it was a dozen PAWs in one)
And just to show the popularity of the PAW, there's even one for kids:
--WALL-E (ok, technically for adults, but kids can enjoy too)
So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
-- Ken from Chicago (who's stretching the term "world" to include
"universe")
P.S. And because this is the internet and we are sf fans, thus there will be
nitpicking that the decade (as well as the century and the millennium) began
not 2000 but rather in 2001, allow me to toss in 2010's upcoming THE BOOK OF
ELI.
P.P.S. "I suddenly find myself needing to know the plural of
apocalypse."--Marc Blucas, 'Riley Finn', BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, "A New
Man".
David E. Powell
1960s: A couple Twilight Zone Episodes come to mind, the one with
Charles Bronson and some woman as two soldiers left alive in a blasted
world, and "The Old Man in the Cave." Also the Outer Limits with
"Demon With a Glass Hand" where people from a PAW coming back in time
to ours. Ditto "Soldier." In the movies, "Night of the Living Dead"
and a couple post-nuclear war movies.
1970s: Planet of the Apes, The Omega Man, Soylent Green (A Dystopian
world on the edge of becoming a PAW.)
1980s: Mad Max and a bunch of imitators with glam-punked renegades in
PAWs looking much like Southern California's deserts. Also "Night of
the Comet" "The Day After" and "Dawn of the Dead" among others.
1990s: "Waterworld," "The Matrix," "Equilibrium," "Gattaca" and
"Battlefield Earth" (Was this 1990s or 2000s?)
Ken from Chicago
"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> PAWs hmm... not just a 2000s thing.
True, this post was about the revival of the subgenre.
> 1960s: A couple Twilight Zone Episodes come to mind, the one with
> Charles Bronson and some woman as two soldiers left alive in a blasted
> world, and "The Old Man in the Cave." Also the Outer Limits with
> "Demon With a Glass Hand" where people from a PAW coming back in time
> to ours. Ditto "Soldier." In the movies, "Night of the Living Dead"
> and a couple post-nuclear war movies.
>
> 1970s: Planet of the Apes, The Omega Man, Soylent Green (A Dystopian
> world on the edge of becoming a PAW.)
>
> 1980s: Mad Max and a bunch of imitators with glam-punked renegades in
> PAWs looking much like Southern California's deserts. Also "Night of
> the Comet" "The Day After" and "Dawn of the Dead" among others.
Yep, the '80s had a ton of PAWs in them. PAWs were popular in the '80s, like
D&D, global thermonuclear war or ninjas.
> 1990s: "Waterworld," "The Matrix," "Equilibrium," "Gattaca" and
> "Battlefield Earth" (Was this 1990s or 2000s?)
GATTACA was a PAW?
-- Ken from Chicago
DJensen
> So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
Lots, and many of them not big Hollywood productions:
CARRIERS (2009)
I AM LEGEND (2007) - worth seeing for the part they got right
WAR OF THE WORLDS (2005)
AEON FLUX (2005) - it's set after a plague reduces mankind to a small
city's worth of survivors
THE TIME MACHINE (2002)
FINAL FANTASY: SPIRITS WITHIN (2001)
9 (2005/09) - about small robots living in a post-man world
TOOTH & NAIL (2007)
REIGN OF FIRE (2002) - set after dragons wipe out mankind
BEACH PARTY AT THE THRESHOLD OF HELL (2006)
TERMINATOR: SALVATION (2009)
And some set immediately before or during the apocalypse:
THE SIGNAL (2007)
RIGHT AT YOUR DOOR (2006) - the apocalypse is limited to Los Angeles
BLINDNESS (2008)
THE WORLD SINKS EXCEPT JAPAN (2006) - parody of JAPAN SINKS (1973/75, 2006)
THE CORE (2003)
THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW (2004)
THE HAPPENING (2008)
THE MIST (2007)
KNOWING (2009)
I've left out all the zombie-related and zombie-like films.
I've never seen it written as PAW, just PA. 28 Days Later and Doomsday,
for example, aren't set in post-apocalyptic *worlds*, but PA *countries*.
--
DJensen
Ken from Chicago
"DJensen" <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>
>> So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
>
> Lots, and many of them not big Hollywood productions:
>
> CARRIERS (2009)
> I AM LEGEND (2007) - worth seeing for the part they got right
I mentioned I AM LEGEND.
> WAR OF THE WORLDS (2005)
That was not a PAW. It was not Post-AW it was just AW.
> AEON FLUX (2005) - it's set after a plague reduces mankind to a small
> city's worth of survivors
Ah, Will Smith quasi-love interest from HANCOCK.
> THE TIME MACHINE (2002)
> FINAL FANTASY: SPIRITS WITHIN (2001)
> 9 (2005/09) - about small robots living in a post-man world
Good point. I forgot about that one (two?).
> TOOTH & NAIL (2007)
> REIGN OF FIRE (2002) - set after dragons wipe out mankind
Yes, Batman tells the story of the White Knight vs the Dark Knight (who
turns out to be the White Knight's father).
> BEACH PARTY AT THE THRESHOLD OF HELL (2006)
> TERMINATOR: SALVATION (2009)
Wait, I mentioned that one.
> And some set immediately before or during the apocalypse:
> THE SIGNAL (2007)
> RIGHT AT YOUR DOOR (2006) - the apocalypse is limited to Los Angeles
> BLINDNESS (2008)
> THE WORLD SINKS EXCEPT JAPAN (2006) - parody of JAPAN SINKS (1973/75,
> 2006)
> THE CORE (2003)
> THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW (2004)
> THE HAPPENING (2008)
> THE MIST (2007)
> KNOWING (2009)
Hold on now, you're mixing up AW or end of the world stories, stories lead
up to or the *immediate* aftermath. PAWs are about (stable) society post
apocalypse.
> I've left out all the zombie-related and zombie-like films.
>
> I've never seen it written as PAW, just PA. 28 Days Later and Doomsday,
> for example, aren't set in post-apocalyptic *worlds*, but PA *countries*.
But PA is not "the PAWs that refreshes."
> --
> DJensen
-- Ken from Chicago
David E. Bath
"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> writes:
> PAWs hmm... not just a 2000s thing.
>
> 1960s: A couple Twilight Zone Episodes come to mind, the one with
> Charles Bronson and some woman as two soldiers left alive in a blasted
> world,
That was "Two" and the woman was Elizabeth Montgomery ("Bewitched").
David E. Powell
wrote:
> "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote in messagenews:cf27d522-dee8-446f...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Right you are. A bit more of a Dystopia, unless one considers it a PAW
for "normal" humans... but yeah maybe a bit outside the definition.
> -- Ken from Chicago
Mark Nobles
> So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
Dark City, 1998
Total Recall, 1990
Alien Nation, 1989
They Live, 1988
RoboCop, 1987, 1990 and 1994
The Running Man, 1987
Red Dawn, 1984
Conan, 1982 and 1984
Mad Max, 1979, 1981 and 1985
A Boy and his Dog, 1975
Barbarella, 1968
Fahrenheit 451, 1966
The Day the Earth Stood Still, 1951 (Qualifies as PAW without the great
destruction. Remember that "apocalypse" is the unveiling of a new age.)
Gone with the Wind, 1939 (Not the whole world, only one woman's world)
Things to Come, 1936
Metropolis, 1927
Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda
I, Robot
Apocalyptic, not Post: (Thinking a little out of the box)
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb,
1964
Fail Safe, 1964
Thirteen Days, 2000
The Bridge on the River Kwai, 1957. (Vaguely resembling a true story,
it was set in a small world where civilization had been forgotten.)
All Quiet on the Western Front, 1930
The Birth of a Nation, 1915
Is there a strict definition of the boundary between PAW and Post-Alien
Invasion (PAI, to distinguish it from AI)?
Pete B
kwicker1...@comcast.net says...
> The 2000s has seen the revival of a once of once popular subgenre
> (especially back in the 1980s) to Hollywood, the post-apocalyptic world
> story. End of the world stories have been popular for millennia, but PAWs
> take it ... one step beyond. Yes, to quote REM, it's the end of the world,
> and I feel fine.
If it was Life After People scenery, that that would be fine - but
usually its just an excuse for a low budget flick shot in a trailer park
in some remote area.
Pete B
>
Just Mals
DJensen
> "DJensen" <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:1b8cd$4b40bd84$4c0aa8a1$44...@TEKSAVVY.COM...
>> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>>
>>> So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
>> Lots, and many of them not big Hollywood productions:
>
>
> That was not a PAW. It was not Post-AW it was just AW.
The last 15 minutes-or-so indicate that the extermination campaign has
failed completely and society can and will adapt in the wake of it.
>> And some set immediately before or during the apocalypse:
>> THE SIGNAL (2007)
>> RIGHT AT YOUR DOOR (2006) - the apocalypse is limited to Los Angeles
>> BLINDNESS (2008)
>> THE WORLD SINKS EXCEPT JAPAN (2006) - parody of JAPAN SINKS (1973/75,
>> 2006)
>> THE CORE (2003)
>> THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW (2004)
>> THE HAPPENING (2008)
>> THE MIST (2007)
>> KNOWING (2009)
>
> Hold on now, you're mixing up AW or end of the world stories, stories lead
> up to or the *immediate* aftermath. PAWs are about (stable) society post
> apocalypse.
I didn't mix them with the Post- films, I made it clear they were
separate animals. But many of them do have an end segment set after the
apocalypse has ended and social order is re-establishing itself in some
form.
Pre- and Post-Apocalyptic stories share enough elements that I think
it's worthwhile discussing them simultaneously. (Particularly if one
wanted to put forth the hypothesis that Hollywood-et-al's apocalyptic
interests indicate something about society's anxieties.)
>> I've left out all the zombie-related and zombie-like films.
>>
>> I've never seen it written as PAW, just PA. 28 Days Later and Doomsday,
>> for example, aren't set in post-apocalyptic *worlds*, but PA *countries*.
>
> But PA is not "the PAWs that refreshes."
Is that a pun based on an 80 year old slogan? Really now, Ken.
--
DJensen
DJensen
Or warehouses or factories.
--
DJensen
David E. Powell
> > kwicker1b_nos...@comcast.net says...
> >> The 2000s has seen the revival of a once of once popular subgenre
> >> (especially back in the 1980s) to Hollywood, the post-apocalyptic world
> >> story. End of the world stories have been popular for millennia, but PAWs
> >> take it ... one step beyond. Yes, to quote REM, it's the end of the world,
> >> and I feel fine.
>
> > If it was Life After People scenery, that that would be fine - but
> > usually its just an excuse for a low budget flick shot in a trailer park
> > in some remote area.
>
> Or warehouses or factories.
Yes the abandoned factory thing is always big :)
Or the future "out in the desert." Harder to make an entirely wrecked
city. I wonder (no flames, serious) if anyone ever considered filming
a movie in Detroit in some of the more deserted sections? I know
RoboCop was set there but still most of the filming was done in
Houston.
> --
> DJensen
Ken from Chicago
> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>> "DJensen" <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:1b8cd$4b40bd84$4c0aa8a1$44...@TEKSAVVY.COM...
>>> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>>>
>>>> So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
>>> Lots, and many of them not big Hollywood productions:
>>
>>> WAR OF THE WORLDS (2005)
>>
>> That was not a PAW. It was not Post-AW it was just AW.
>
> The last 15 minutes-or-so indicate that the extermination campaign has
> failed completely and society can and will adapt in the wake of it.
Yes, 15 minutes out of a movie with a runtime of 116 minutes.
>>> And some set immediately before or during the apocalypse:
>>> THE SIGNAL (2007)
>>> RIGHT AT YOUR DOOR (2006) - the apocalypse is limited to Los Angeles
>>> BLINDNESS (2008)
>>> THE WORLD SINKS EXCEPT JAPAN (2006) - parody of JAPAN SINKS (1973/75,
>>> 2006)
>>> THE CORE (2003)
>>> THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW (2004)
>>> THE HAPPENING (2008)
>>> THE MIST (2007)
>>> KNOWING (2009)
>>
>> Hold on now, you're mixing up AW or end of the world stories, stories
>> lead up to or the *immediate* aftermath. PAWs are about (stable) society
>> post apocalypse.
>
> I didn't mix them with the Post- films, I made it clear they were separate
> animals. But many of them do have an end segment set after the apocalypse
> has ended and social order is re-establishing itself in some form.
>
> Pre- and Post-Apocalyptic stories share enough elements that I think it's
> worthwhile discussing them simultaneously. (Particularly if one wanted to
> put forth the hypothesis that Hollywood-et-al's apocalyptic interests
> indicate something about society's anxieties.)
Pre-AW is more about the world coming to an end.
Post-AW is more about how a new world survives.
>>> I've left out all the zombie-related and zombie-like films.
>>>
>>> I've never seen it written as PAW, just PA. 28 Days Later and Doomsday,
>>> for example, aren't set in post-apocalyptic *worlds*, but PA
>>> *countries*.
>>
>> But PA is not "the PAWs that refreshes."
>
> Is that a pun based on an 80 year old slogan? Really now, Ken.
Hi, I'm Ken. I'm from Chicago.
No, no I'm not above making an 80-year-old pun.
> --
> DJensen
-- Ken from Chicago (who'd like to teach a PAW to sing in perfect harmony)
Steven L.
news:040120102037513758%cmn-n...@comcast.net:
> Ken from Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
>
> Dark City, 1998
> Total Recall, 1990
There was no "apocalypse" in Total Recall.
> Alien Nation, 1989
> They Live, 1988
> RoboCop, 1987, 1990 and 1994
> The Running Man, 1987
> Red Dawn, 1984
> Conan, 1982 and 1984
> Mad Max, 1979, 1981 and 1985
> A Boy and his Dog, 1975
> Barbarella, 1968
> Fahrenheit 451, 1966
There was no "apocalypse" scenario in Fahrenheit 451.
> The Day the Earth Stood Still, 1951 (Qualifies as PAW without the great
> destruction. Remember that "apocalypse" is the unveiling of a new age.)
> Gone with the Wind, 1939 (Not the whole world, only one woman's world)
> Things to Come, 1936
> Metropolis, 1927
>
> Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda
There were also his two failed pilot films for a PAW series, which were
eventually broadcast as made-for-TV movies. The first was titled "Earth
2" and the second was titled "Planet Earth".
> I, Robot
>
>
>
> Apocalyptic, not Post: (Thinking a little out of the box)
> Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb,
> 1964
> Fail Safe, 1964
The apocalypse was averted in Fail Safe. It had kind of a happy ending
for the entire world except New York City and Moscow.
> Thirteen Days, 2000
> The Bridge on the River Kwai, 1957. (Vaguely resembling a true story,
> it was set in a small world where civilization had been forgotten.)
> All Quiet on the Western Front, 1930
> The Birth of a Nation, 1915
>
> Is there a strict definition of the boundary between PAW and Post-Alien
> Invasion (PAI, to distinguish it from AI)?
--
--
Steven L.
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Mark Nobles
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Mark Nobles" <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:040120102037513758%cmn-n...@comcast.net:
>
> > Ken from Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
> >
> > Dark City, 1998
> > Total Recall, 1990
>
> There was no "apocalypse" in Total Recall.
Right. The movie came *after* the apocalypse. Neither a huge war nor
nor an alien invasion, but nevertheless the collapse of the economy and
civilization, possibly the result of overpopulation and climate change.
But I was actually thinking of "Blade Runner" when I wrote "Total
Recall".
>
> > Alien Nation, 1989
> > They Live, 1988
> > RoboCop, 1987, 1990 and 1994
> > The Running Man, 1987
> > Red Dawn, 1984
> > Conan, 1982 and 1984
> > Mad Max, 1979, 1981 and 1985
> > A Boy and his Dog, 1975
> > Barbarella, 1968
> > Fahrenheit 451, 1966
>
> There was no "apocalypse" scenario in Fahrenheit 451.
I politely disagree. I think that the intentional burning of libraries
can only be the product of a breakdown of society.
There is a discussion in Amazon's History forum named "What is the
worst crime in history?" (Yes, I started it.) which grew out of a
discussion of the use of the atomic bombs
<http://www.amazon.com/tag/history/forum/ref=cm_cd_search_res_rm?_encodi
ng=UTF8&cdMsgNo=1&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx83T6R9YZ3YX9&cdMsgID
=Mx33DPO04Z8XOBF#Mx33DPO04Z8XOBF>
I call the burning of the library at Alexandria by a Christian mob the
worst, ahead of Stalin's liquidation of the Ukraine.
>
>
> > The Day the Earth Stood Still, 1951 (Qualifies as PAW without the great
> > destruction. Remember that "apocalypse" is the unveiling of a new age.)
> > Gone with the Wind, 1939 (Not the whole world, only one woman's world)
> > Things to Come, 1936
> > Metropolis, 1927
> >
> > Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda
>
> There were also his two failed pilot films for a PAW series, which were
> eventually broadcast as made-for-TV movies. The first was titled "Earth
> 2" and the second was titled "Planet Earth".
>
>
>
> > I, Robot
> >
> >
> >
> > Apocalyptic, not Post: (Thinking a little out of the box)
> > Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb,
> > 1964
> > Fail Safe, 1964
>
> The apocalypse was averted in Fail Safe. It had kind of a happy ending
> for the entire world except New York City and Moscow.
D'oh. You're right. For some definition of "happy".
Mark Nobles
> >
> > If it was Life After People scenery,
12 Monkeys
The Stand
Tank Girl
Steven L.
> In article <beSdnbg8EtYwhdvW...@earthlink.com>, Steven L.
> <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > "Mark Nobles" <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:040120102037513758%cmn-n...@comcast.net:
> >
> > > Ken from Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
> > >
> > > Dark City, 1998
> > > Total Recall, 1990
> >
> > There was no "apocalypse" in Total Recall.
>
> Right. The movie came *after* the apocalypse. Neither a huge war nor
> nor an alien invasion, but nevertheless the collapse of the economy and
> civilization, possibly the result of overpopulation and climate change.
> But I was actually thinking of "Blade Runner" when I wrote "Total
> Recall".
"Blade Runner" didn't look post-apocalypse either.
Just dystopian, like Soylent Green.
> >
> > > Alien Nation, 1989
> > > They Live, 1988
> > > RoboCop, 1987, 1990 and 1994
> > > The Running Man, 1987
> > > Red Dawn, 1984
> > > Conan, 1982 and 1984
> > > Mad Max, 1979, 1981 and 1985
> > > A Boy and his Dog, 1975
> > > Barbarella, 1968
> > > Fahrenheit 451, 1966
> >
> > There was no "apocalypse" scenario in Fahrenheit 451.
>
> I politely disagree. I think that the intentional burning of libraries
> can only be the product of a breakdown of society.
If so, that's a highly intellectual type of "apocalypse." Citizens were
still living in comfortable homes, they could still watch TV, the roads
were well maintained, even mass transit (that monorail) was operating.
Whatever "breakdown" of society had occurred had not threatened
communications or infrastructure.
Again, a dystopian society doesn't necessarily have to arise from some
climactic apocalypse, but could also arise from the *gradual* loss of
democratic values.
> There is a discussion in Amazon's History forum named "What is the
> worst crime in history?" (Yes, I started it.) which grew out of a
> discussion of the use of the atomic bombs
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/tag/history/forum/ref=cm_cd_search_res_rm?_encodi
> ng=UTF8&cdMsgNo=1&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx83T6R9YZ3YX9&cdMsgID
> =Mx33DPO04Z8XOBF#Mx33DPO04Z8XOBF>
>
> I call the burning of the library at Alexandria by a Christian mob the
> worst, ahead of Stalin's liquidation of the Ukraine.
That wasn't any "apocalypse."
Historians had noted the Christian turn against pagan culture. But new
cultures always displace old ones. The Roman Empire displaced classical
Greece--do you consider that an "apocalypse" too?
You're really bandying the term "apocalypse" about loosely.
Mark Nobles
> "Mark Nobles" <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote
>> > I call the burning of the library at Alexandria by a Christian mob
the
> > worst [crime in history], ahead of Stalin's liquidation of the Ukraine.
>
> That wasn't any "apocalypse."
> Historians had noted the Christian turn against pagan culture. But new
> cultures always displace old ones. The Roman Empire displaced classical
> Greece--do you consider that an "apocalypse" too?
>
> You're really bandying the term "apocalypse" about loosely.
I'm using it to mean "a revelation that causes great change" that
causes the end of the world *as* *we* *know* *it* . Roughly equivalent
to "the end of man as a species or the end of western society". Come to
think of it, burning that library was probably more closely equivalent
to "the beginning of western society" than the end. There, now it works
- the end of whatever western society replaced.
That's actually a different but related and unusual (outside history)
genre - the beginning of the world as we know it.
Clan of the Cave Bear
something something Atlantis something something
Apocalypto (Columbus in the New World, Aztecs, Incas, Mayas, Aborigines
of Australia,
Superman (at least the part before Krypton explodes)
Pete B
nos...@comcast.net says...
Good effects?
I saw 12 monkyes not that long ago, didn't look to impressive as i
recall.
And stand wasn't that just some crummy tv movie?
Greg Goss
>In article <080120101830129897%cmn-n...@comcast.net>, cmn-
>nos...@comcast.net says...
>> > Pete B wrote:
>> > >
>> > > If it was Life After People scenery,
>>
>> 12 Monkeys
>> The Stand
>> Tank Girl
>>
>
>Good effects?
>
>I saw 12 monkyes not that long ago, didn't look to impressive as i
>recall.
The concept behind 12 Monkeys was OK, but I really really don't like
Gilliam's movies.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Mark Nobles
> cmn-n...@comcast.net says...
> > > Pete B wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If it was Life After People scenery,
> >
> > 12 Monkeys
> > The Stand
> > Tank Girl
> >
>
> Good effects?
No, not really.
>
> I saw 12 monkyes not that long ago, didn't look to impressive as i
> recall.
May be my favorite time travel story because they didn't have the
"ripples" effect where they could change stuff but still remember what
happened before they changed anything. Every time they tried to change
something, it was exactly what they remembered.
>
> And stand wasn't that just some crummy tv movie?
>
Yes. It spends the whole length of the movie building up the tension
for the final conflict, and then....
Ken from Chicago
Sounds like HEROES.
-- Ken from Chicago
DJensen
Detroit I have no idea, but I remember reading about a zombie movie
setting up production in the abandoned town adjacent to Chernobyl.
I'm honestly surprised nothing post-apoc has been filmed in post-Katrina
Nawwwlins.
--
DJensen
Dimensional Traveler
--
"The Internet lied again!"
David E. Powell
> In article <080120101830129897%cmn-nos...@comcast.net>, cmn-
> nos...@comcast.net says...
>
> > > Pete B wrote:
>
> > > > If it was Life After People scenery,
>
> > 12 Monkeys
> > The Stand
> > Tank Girl
>
> Good effects?
>
> I saw 12 monkyes not that long ago, didn't look to impressive as i
> recall.
>
> And stand wasn't that just some crummy tv movie?
The stand was pretty good, it got into the spiritual as well as the
physical in the "why" and "how" of the whole thing, I thought it was
pretty well done.
Dimensional Traveler
I hated The Stand, both TV mini-series and book versions, because it all
boiled down to "God got bored and decided to fuck with the human race".
Pretty much in so many words. (Just way too many of them.)
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
To which end I prefer "Lucifer's Hamner"
--
As Adam West as Bruce Wayne as Batman said in "Smack in the Middle"
the second half of the 1966 BATMAN series pilot when Jill St. John
as Molly as Robin as Molly fell into the Batmobile's atomic pile:
"What a way to go-go"
David Johnston
<cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>In article <beSdnbg8EtYwhdvW...@earthlink.com>, Steven L.
><sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> "Mark Nobles" <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:040120102037513758%cmn-n...@comcast.net:
>>
>> > Ken from Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > So what PAWs did you like? Any of em I missed?
>> >
>> > Dark City, 1998
Dark City took place in a noirish fake city populated by humans
abducted by aliens. No apocalypse.
>> > Total Recall, 1990
>>
>> There was no "apocalypse" in Total Recall.
>
>Right. The movie came *after* the apocalypse. Neither a huge war nor
>nor an alien invasion, but nevertheless the collapse of the economy and
>civilization, possibly the result of overpopulation and climate change.
>But I was actually thinking of "Blade Runner" when I wrote "Total
>Recall".
Neither of which had an apocalypse or even an economic collapse. Blade
Runner simply took place in the bad part of town.
>>
>> > Alien Nation, 1989
>> > They Live, 1988
>> > RoboCop, 1987, 1990 and 1994
>> > The Running Man, 1987
>> > Red Dawn, 1984
>> > Conan, 1982 and 1984
>> > Mad Max, 1979, 1981 and 1985
>> > A Boy and his Dog, 1975
>> > Barbarella, 1968
>> > Fahrenheit 451, 1966
>>
>> There was no "apocalypse" scenario in Fahrenheit 451.
>
>I politely disagree. I think that the intentional burning of libraries
>can only be the product of a breakdown of society.
It's not like the libraries were being burned by random mobs.
David Johnston
<cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Steven L. <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> "Mark Nobles" <cmn-n...@comcast.net> wrote
>>> > I call the burning of the library at Alexandria by a Christian mob
>the
>> > worst [crime in history], ahead of Stalin's liquidation of the Ukraine.
>>
>> That wasn't any "apocalypse."
>> Historians had noted the Christian turn against pagan culture. But new
>> cultures always displace old ones. The Roman Empire displaced classical
>> Greece--do you consider that an "apocalypse" too?
>>
>> You're really bandying the term "apocalypse" about loosely.
>
>I'm using it to mean "a revelation that causes great change" that
>causes the end of the world *as* *we* *know* *it* .
Every film set significantly in the future qualifies by that standard.
By a more conventional standard Star Trek First Contact is a post
apocalypse standard.
DJensen
Don't be silly; FEMA's never been anywhere near New Orleans.
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DJensen
Dimensional Traveler
must be Homeland Security.