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Cryptoengineer
Jun 12, 2012, 1:49:41 PM6/12/12
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(crossposted to rasff, rasfw)
Google Groups is now moving to force their new format down everyone's
throats. They now seem to think that all 'groups' discussions are in
the short thread format of G+.
In particular, I see no way to view both a reply tree and and full
articles at the same time; this makes dealing with Usenet threads,
which can last for months, have thousands of posts, and dozens of
branches, very difficult.
If you're forced into it, you can request a temporary switch back (for
now). When you do, you can send Google a message as to why. Take the
opportunity to let them know just why the New! Improved! Format! is
not appropriate of Usenet.
pt
Google Groups is now moving to force their new format down everyone's
throats. They now seem to think that all 'groups' discussions are in
the short thread format of G+.
In particular, I see no way to view both a reply tree and and full
articles at the same time; this makes dealing with Usenet threads,
which can last for months, have thousands of posts, and dozens of
branches, very difficult.
If you're forced into it, you can request a temporary switch back (for
now). When you do, you can send Google a message as to why. Take the
opportunity to let them know just why the New! Improved! Format! is
not appropriate of Usenet.
pt
Shawn Wilson
Jun 12, 2012, 4:58:18 PM6/12/12
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On Jun 12, 10:49 am, Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you're forced into it, you can request a temporary switch back (for
> now). When you do, you can send Google a message as to why. Take the
> opportunity to let them know just why the New! Improved! Format! is
> not appropriate of Usenet.
I don't like it either. How the hell am I supposed to find new posts
> If you're forced into it, you can request a temporary switch back (for
> now). When you do, you can send Google a message as to why. Take the
> opportunity to let them know just why the New! Improved! Format! is
> not appropriate of Usenet.
to respjnd to? At least they haven't taken away the old view yet.
Michael Stemper
Jun 12, 2012, 5:30:08 PM6/12/12
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eternal-september, giganews, or the other usual suspects.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.
Keith F. Lynch
Jun 12, 2012, 7:15:44 PM6/12/12
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Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The other alternative is to drop them and go to someplace like aioe,
> eternal-september, giganews, or the other usual suspects.
Indeed. People keep telling me I should leave Virginia, even though
> The other alternative is to drop them and go to someplace like aioe,
> eternal-september, giganews, or the other usual suspects.
the costs to me (not just financial) would be high and the benefits
meager. Yet people are reluctant to change Usenet providers, even
though the costs are negligible and the benefits enormous.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
Catherine Jefferson
Jun 12, 2012, 7:23:16 PM6/12/12
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On 6/12/2012 10:49 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> (crossposted to rasff, rasfw)
>
> Google Groups is now moving to force their new format down everyone's
> throats. They now seem to think that all 'groups' discussions are in
> the short thread format of G+.
<snip>
> (crossposted to rasff, rasfw)
>
> Google Groups is now moving to force their new format down everyone's
> throats. They now seem to think that all 'groups' discussions are in
> the short thread format of G+.
Google Groups has become nearly impossible for me because I have to
block all non-whitelisted groups pre-emptively to keep all the spammers
out of my elderly and too-well-known email addresses. <wry grin> I
recommend Thunderbird or Agent and a real Usenet server.
--
Catherine Jefferson <tw8...@ergosphere.net>
Blog/Personal: http://www.ergosphere.net
cryptoengineer
Jun 12, 2012, 7:36:44 PM6/12/12
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:15:44 +0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The other alternative is to drop them and go to someplace like
aioe,
> > eternal-september, giganews, or the other usual suspects.
> Indeed. People keep telling me I should leave Virginia, even though
> the costs to me (not just financial) would be high and the benefits
> meager. Yet people are reluctant to change Usenet providers, even
> though the costs are negligible and the benefits enormous.
Up till now, the irritations of GG were out weighed by its
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The other alternative is to drop them and go to someplace like
aioe,
> > eternal-september, giganews, or the other usual suspects.
> Indeed. People keep telling me I should leave Virginia, even though
> the costs to me (not just financial) would be high and the benefits
> meager. Yet people are reluctant to change Usenet providers, even
> though the costs are negligible and the benefits enormous.
convenience. Many sites now block port 119, so nnrp solutions
wouldn't work.
Pt
Kevrob
Jun 13, 2012, 9:38:09 AM6/13/12
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On Jun 12, 7:23 pm, Catherine Jefferson <spamt...@spambouncer.org>
wrote:
> Blog/Personal:http://www.ergosphere.net
2 great benefits of GG:
1.) One can access USENET from a public computer. Does one of the
alternatives, such as Eternal September, support that?
2.) The searchable archive isn't perfect, but I have frequently found
info there that I haven't saved.
Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com before
Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the spam
problem.
Kevin
wrote:
> On 6/12/2012 10:49 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>
> > (crossposted to rasff, rasfw)
>
> > Google Groups is now moving to force their new format down everyone's
> > throats. They now seem to think that all 'groups' discussions are in
> > the short thread format of G+.
>
> <snip>
>
> Google Groups has become nearly impossible for me because I have to
> block all non-whitelisted groups pre-emptively to keep all the spammers
> out of my elderly and too-well-known email addresses. <wry grin> I
> recommend Thunderbird or Agent and a real Usenet server.
>
> --
> Catherine Jefferson <tw86...@ergosphere.net>
>
> > (crossposted to rasff, rasfw)
>
> > Google Groups is now moving to force their new format down everyone's
> > throats. They now seem to think that all 'groups' discussions are in
> > the short thread format of G+.
>
> <snip>
>
> Google Groups has become nearly impossible for me because I have to
> block all non-whitelisted groups pre-emptively to keep all the spammers
> out of my elderly and too-well-known email addresses. <wry grin> I
> recommend Thunderbird or Agent and a real Usenet server.
>
> --
> Blog/Personal:http://www.ergosphere.net
2 great benefits of GG:
1.) One can access USENET from a public computer. Does one of the
alternatives, such as Eternal September, support that?
2.) The searchable archive isn't perfect, but I have frequently found
info there that I haven't saved.
Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com before
Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the spam
problem.
Kevin
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 13, 2012, 2:00:14 PM6/13/12
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Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4799a7eb-9c04-406a...@e3g2000yqm.googlegroups.c
om:
Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
news:4799a7eb-9c04-406a...@e3g2000yqm.googlegroups.c
om:
usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Shawn Wilson
Jun 13, 2012, 2:20:36 PM6/13/12
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On Jun 13, 11:00 am, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
library computers are frequently (and the ones I use definitely)
locked down so they will not run ANY software not already installed.
<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
> usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
Oooh... I want more details about this. But, even if they exist,
> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
> usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
library computers are frequently (and the ones I use definitely)
locked down so they will not run ANY software not already installed.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Jun 13, 2012, 2:25:28 PM6/13/12
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On 6/13/12 2:20 PM, Shawn Wilson wrote:
> On Jun 13, 11:00 am, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
>> usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
>
>
> Oooh... I want more details about this.
eternal-september.org (formerly motzarella) is the (free) provider I
> On Jun 13, 11:00 am, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
>> usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
>
>
> Oooh... I want more details about this.
use. I use Thunderbird as my client but I'm sure there's many others.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Konrad Gaertner
Jun 13, 2012, 3:34:43 PM6/13/12
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Kevrob wrote:
>
> 2 great benefits of GG:
>
> 1.) One can access USENET from a public computer. Does one of the
> alternatives, such as Eternal September, support that?
Is there a way to track which articles you've read? This is the main
>
> 2 great benefits of GG:
>
> 1.) One can access USENET from a public computer. Does one of the
> alternatives, such as Eternal September, support that?
reason I only read Usenet from my home computer.
> 2.) The searchable archive isn't perfect, but I have frequently found
> info there that I haven't saved.
(I never saw DejaNews.)
--
Konrad Gaertner - - - - - - - - - - - - email: kgae...@tx.rr.com
http://kgbooklog.livejournal.com/
"I don't mind hidden depths but I insist that there be a surface."
-- James Nicoll
Catherine Jefferson
Jun 13, 2012, 3:39:37 PM6/13/12
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you never asked for and getting the spam. Read groups on Google only,
and block email containing Google Groups headers or write a script to
dump it in the trash. I recommend filtering anything with an
"X-BeenThere" header, which is as far as I know is used only by Google
Groups.
I do sometimes use Google to search Usenet archives. But I forgot some
people read current Usenet groups that way.
Steve Coltrin
Jun 13, 2012, 3:54:42 PM6/13/12
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begin fnord
merely tolerable. I think it was at least mildly shitty.
--
Steve Coltrin spco...@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press
Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> writes:
> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever seen.
> (I never saw DejaNews.)
I'm trying to recall if DN was shitty-but-not-as-shitty-as-Google or
> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever seen.
> (I never saw DejaNews.)
merely tolerable. I think it was at least mildly shitty.
--
Steve Coltrin spco...@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 13, 2012, 4:47:36 PM6/13/12
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Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a3e4644c-017a-48c7...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
com:
Xnews will run from anywhere it can get write access to drives. It
will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't shut
off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And that means
your archives travel with you.
news:a3e4644c-017a-48c7...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
com:
will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't shut
off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And that means
your archives travel with you.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 13, 2012, 4:50:58 PM6/13/12
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Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote in
news:m262avj...@kelutral.omcl.org:
> begin fnord
> Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> writes:
>
>> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever seen.
>> (I never saw DejaNews.)
>
> I'm trying to recall if DN was
> shitty-but-not-as-shitty-as-Google or merely tolerable. I think
> it was at least mildly shitty.
>
The actual archving was pretty much the same. The search interface,
whoever, has gone from "passable" to "difficult" (as DN) to
"completely unusual (under Google).
news:m262avj...@kelutral.omcl.org:
> begin fnord
> Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> writes:
>
>> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever seen.
>> (I never saw DejaNews.)
>
> I'm trying to recall if DN was
> shitty-but-not-as-shitty-as-Google or merely tolerable. I think
> it was at least mildly shitty.
>
whoever, has gone from "passable" to "difficult" (as DN) to
"completely unusual (under Google).
Cryptoengineer
Jun 13, 2012, 4:57:39 PM6/13/12
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On Jun 13, 4:47 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shawn Wilson <ikonoql...@gmail.com> wrote innews:a3e4644c-017a-48c7...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
between you and the news server.
Sigh.
pt
<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shawn Wilson <ikonoql...@gmail.com> wrote innews:a3e4644c-017a-48c7...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
> com:
>
> > On Jun 13, 11:00 am, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> > <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news
> >> servers, and usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to
> >> run correctly.
>
> > Oooh... I want more details about this. But, even if they
> > exist, library computers are frequently (and the ones I use
> > definitely) locked down so they will not run ANY software not
> > already installed.
>
> Xnews will run from anywhere it can get write access to drives. It
> will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't shut
> off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And that means
> your archives travel with you.
It does you absolutely no good if there's a firewall blocking port 119
>
> > On Jun 13, 11:00 am, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> > <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news
> >> servers, and usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to
> >> run correctly.
>
> > Oooh... I want more details about this. But, even if they
> > exist, library computers are frequently (and the ones I use
> > definitely) locked down so they will not run ANY software not
> > already installed.
>
> Xnews will run from anywhere it can get write access to drives. It
> will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't shut
> off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And that means
> your archives travel with you.
between you and the news server.
Sigh.
pt
Bill Snyder
Jun 13, 2012, 5:00:04 PM6/13/12
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just that reason.
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 13, 2012, 5:36:43 PM6/13/12
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Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b0a00062-cf6b-4243...@8g2000yql.googlegroups.co
m:
> On Jun 13, 4:47�pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Shawn Wilson <ikonoql...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:a3e4644c-017a-48c7-a3b0-
> 13c4af...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
least.
news:b0a00062-cf6b-4243...@8g2000yql.googlegroups.co
m:
> On Jun 13, 4:47�pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Shawn Wilson <ikonoql...@gmail.com> wrote
> 13c4af...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
>> com:
>>
>> > On Jun 13, 11:00�am, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>> > <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news
>> >> servers, and usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled
>> >> to run correctly.
>>
>> > Oooh... I want more details about this. �But, even if they
>> > exist, library computers are frequently (and the ones I use
>> > definitely) locked down so they will not run ANY software not
>> > already installed.
>>
>> Xnews will run from anywhere it can get write access to drives.
>> It will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't
>> shut off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And
>> that means your archives travel with you.
>
> It does you absolutely no good if there's a firewall blocking
> port 119 between you and the news server.
> Sigh.
>
That would be true. But Bill's response doesn't surprise me in the
>>
>> > On Jun 13, 11:00�am, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>> > <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news
>> >> servers, and usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled
>> >> to run correctly.
>>
>> > Oooh... I want more details about this. �But, even if they
>> > exist, library computers are frequently (and the ones I use
>> > definitely) locked down so they will not run ANY software not
>> > already installed.
>>
>> Xnews will run from anywhere it can get write access to drives.
>> It will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't
>> shut off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And
>> that means your archives travel with you.
>
> It does you absolutely no good if there's a firewall blocking
> port 119 between you and the news server.
> Sigh.
>
least.
Shawn Wilson
Jun 13, 2012, 7:12:16 PM6/13/12
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On Jun 13, 11:25 am, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the installer
(or anything else).
I REALLY want a viable alternative to Google Groups. I have thumb
drives with gigabytes of free space and the USB ports work just fine,
that isn't the problem.
Hell, if you want to REALLY make my day, find a way for me to get
Overdrive Media Console to install and run somewhere. The library has
a ton of Audiobooks that are d/l only, and only via Overdrive. The
PCs here can't/won't install it, and neither will the Macs at PVCC.
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
> >> usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
>
> > Oooh... I want more details about this.
>
> eternal-september.org (formerly motzarella) is the (free) provider I
> use. I use Thunderbird as my client but I'm sure there's many others.
Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said, the
> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
> >> usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
>
> > Oooh... I want more details about this.
>
> eternal-september.org (formerly motzarella) is the (free) provider I
> use. I use Thunderbird as my client but I'm sure there's many others.
computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the installer
(or anything else).
I REALLY want a viable alternative to Google Groups. I have thumb
drives with gigabytes of free space and the USB ports work just fine,
that isn't the problem.
Hell, if you want to REALLY make my day, find a way for me to get
Overdrive Media Console to install and run somewhere. The library has
a ton of Audiobooks that are d/l only, and only via Overdrive. The
PCs here can't/won't install it, and neither will the Macs at PVCC.
Shawn Wilson
Jun 13, 2012, 7:17:03 PM6/13/12
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On Jun 13, 1:47 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
Thunderbird installer- blocked.
Xnews- blocked.
Both in the last 5 minutes.
> It
> will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't shut
> off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And that means
> your archives travel with you.
You're just taunting me, aren't you?
<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news
> >> servers, and usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to
> >> run correctly.
>
> > Oooh... I want more details about this. But, even if they
> > exist, library computers are frequently (and the ones I use
> > definitely) locked down so they will not run ANY software not
> > already installed.
>
> Xnews will run from anywhere it can get write access to drives.
I have write access to my thumb drives, BUT THE LIBRARY COMPUTERS WILL
> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news
> >> servers, and usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to
> >> run correctly.
>
> > Oooh... I want more details about this. But, even if they
> > exist, library computers are frequently (and the ones I use
> > definitely) locked down so they will not run ANY software not
> > already installed.
>
> Xnews will run from anywhere it can get write access to drives.
NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
Thunderbird installer- blocked.
Xnews- blocked.
Both in the last 5 minutes.
> It
> will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't shut
> off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And that means
> your archives travel with you.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 13, 2012, 7:19:27 PM6/13/12
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Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:33f8879b-cefd-4a9d...@m2g2000pbv.googlegroups.c
om:
> On Jun 13, 1:47�pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news
>> >> servers, and usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled
>> >> to run correctly.
>>
>> > Oooh... I want more details about this. �But, even if they
>> > exist, library computers are frequently (and the ones I use
>> > definitely) locked down so they will not run ANY software not
>> > already installed.
>>
>> Xnews will run from anywhere it can get write access to drives.
>
>
> I have write access to my thumb drives, BUT THE LIBRARY
> COMPUTERS WILL NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
(And the attempt to bypass their clear intent is arguably a
criminal offense on your part.)
>
> Thunderbird installer- blocked.
>
> Xnews- blocked.
>
> Both in the last 5 minutes.
>
>
>
>
>> It
>> will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't
>> shut off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And
>> that means your archives travel with you.
>
>
> You're just taunting me, aren't you?
>
Maybe you should get a job and buy your own computer. *That* is
> Thunderbird installer- blocked.
>
> Xnews- blocked.
>
> Both in the last 5 minutes.
>
>
>
>
>> It
>> will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't
>> shut off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs. And
>> that means your archives travel with you.
>
>
> You're just taunting me, aren't you?
>
taunting you.
Keith F. Lynch
Jun 13, 2012, 7:46:52 PM6/13/12
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Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
> Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> writes:
>> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever seen.
>> (I never saw DejaNews.)
> I'm trying to recall if DN was shitty-but-not-as-shitty-as-Google
> or merely tolerable. I think it was at least mildly shitty.
It was pretty good, but didn't go back very far. Google's Usenet
> Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> writes:
>> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever seen.
>> (I never saw DejaNews.)
> I'm trying to recall if DN was shitty-but-not-as-shitty-as-Google
> or merely tolerable. I think it was at least mildly shitty.
archive started with DejaNews's, but they soon added earlier posts to
it from fandom's own Henry Spencer and other sources.
Google's Usenet archive, or at least the search function, has
gradually gotten worse over the years. As I mentioned before, when I
searched for all pre-2000 posts from the late Dan Hoey, it said there
were none -- until I searched "by relevance" (whatever that means)
rather than by date. Then it found plenty. But it still missed
plenty, and gave me plenty of posts by others even though I was only
asking for Dan's posts.
Google's regular search has also gotten worse, often finding pages
that don't contain the requested terms and not finding pages that do.
Given how inexpensive disk space is, I wish they'd offer to sell
copies of their entire Usenet archive. In one weekend I could
probably write a better search engine.
A separate issue is how they mangle quoted email addresses in a futile
attempt to keep spammers from harvesting them.
Keith F. Lynch
Jun 13, 2012, 7:51:55 PM6/13/12
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Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oooh... I want more details about this. But, even if they exist,
> library computers are frequently (and the ones I use definitely)
> locked down so they will not run ANY software not already installed.
You could get a Panix shell account. You can ssh into it if the
> Oooh... I want more details about this. But, even if they exist,
> library computers are frequently (and the ones I use definitely)
> locked down so they will not run ANY software not already installed.
computer has a browser that supports https:// and Java. Once in, you
have access to an excellent newsfeed and lots of software, including a
wide choice of newsreaders, mailers, text editors, etc.
Or you could talk to the head librarian. If what you want to do isn't
completely unreasonable, perhaps they'll be accommodating.
Keith F. Lynch
Jun 13, 2012, 8:02:27 PM6/13/12
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Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com
> before Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the
> spam problem.
Does that address still work? If so, how does that avoid spam?
> Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com
> before Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the
> spam problem.
And what does it have to do with Google Groups?
Philip Chee
Jun 13, 2012, 10:15:27 PM6/13/12
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Shawn Wilson wrote:
> On Jun 13, 11:25 am, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
>> >> usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
>>
>> > Oooh... I want more details about this.
>>
>> eternal-september.org (formerly motzarella) is the (free) provider I
>> use. I use Thunderbird as my client but I'm sure there's many others.
>
>
> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said, the
> computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the installer
> (or anything else).
I'm told Portable Thunderbird from Portableapps runs just fine from a
> On Jun 13, 11:25 am, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
>> >> usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
>>
>> > Oooh... I want more details about this.
>>
>> eternal-september.org (formerly motzarella) is the (free) provider I
>> use. I use Thunderbird as my client but I'm sure there's many others.
>
>
> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said, the
> computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the installer
> (or anything else).
USB thumb drive.
> I REALLY want a viable alternative to Google Groups. I have thumb
> drives with gigabytes of free space and the USB ports work just fine,
> that isn't the problem.
>
> Hell, if you want to REALLY make my day, find a way for me to get
> Overdrive Media Console to install and run somewhere. The library has
> a ton of Audiobooks that are d/l only, and only via Overdrive. The
> PCs here can't/won't install it, and neither will the Macs at PVCC.
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Kurt Busiek
Jun 14, 2012, 12:55:04 AM6/14/12
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On 2012-06-13 23:19:27 +0000, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
One would think that an economist of Shawn's self-declared skill would
be able to function within the economic system well enough to buy a
computer.
kdb
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be able to function within the economic system well enough to buy a
computer.
kdb
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Bill Snyder
Jun 14, 2012, 9:16:05 AM6/14/12
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:55:04 -0700, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
wrote:
And if it wasn't for all this @!#$% creeping socialism, he
wouldn't be able to sponge off the rest of us for that library
computer.
wrote:
wouldn't be able to sponge off the rest of us for that library
computer.
Kevrob
Jun 14, 2012, 10:21:53 AM6/14/12
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On Jun 13, 8:02 pm, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com
> > before Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the
> > spam problem.
>
> Does that address still work?
Nope.
> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com
> > before Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the
> > spam problem.
>
> Does that address still work?
> If so, how does that avoid spam?
> And what does it have to do with Google Groups?
> --
to groups.google.com} the email was no longer supported. I was
allowed to create the kevrob nym on Google Groups using the Deja info,
and later when Gmail was rolled out added a 2nd address to the Google
sign-in that I don't normally put in Usenet posts.
I imagine all the spam bounces back to the sender. I never see it,
anyway.
As for marking messages as read, if I sign in to Google the sender's
handles for unread messages are bolded.
Kevin
garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk
Jun 14, 2012, 10:45:59 AM6/14/12
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cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:15:44 +0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
> <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>
>> Indeed. People keep telling me I should leave Virginia, even though
>> the costs to me (not just financial) would be high and the benefits
>> meager. Yet people are reluctant to change Usenet providers, even
>> though the costs are negligible and the benefits enormous.
>
I've changed Usenet providers several times by now (for some time I was
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:15:44 +0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
> <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>
>> Indeed. People keep telling me I should leave Virginia, even though
>> the costs to me (not just financial) would be high and the benefits
>> meager. Yet people are reluctant to change Usenet providers, even
>> though the costs are negligible and the benefits enormous.
>
even running my own server) - probably the same number of times that I
moved (inside one city, though).
> Up till now, the irritations of GG were out weighed by its
> convenience. Many sites now block port 119, so nnrp solutions
> wouldn't work.
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Michael Stemper
Jun 14, 2012, 10:56:07 AM6/14/12
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In article <m262avj...@kelutral.omcl.org>, Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> writes:
>Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> writes:
>> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever seen.
>> (I never saw DejaNews.)
>
>I'm trying to recall if DN was shitty-but-not-as-shitty-as-Google or
>merely tolerable. I think it was at least mildly shitty.
I used it primarily for checking to see if a post I had maded successfully
>Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> writes:
>> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever seen.
>> (I never saw DejaNews.)
>
>I'm trying to recall if DN was shitty-but-not-as-shitty-as-Google or
>merely tolerable. I think it was at least mildly shitty.
got out. If I recall correctly, the syntax was close to "-a mstemper"
(author mstemper) and never changed.
I'm not aware if it was ever intended to be more than an archive. Could
you post from it?
--
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 12:17:37 PM6/14/12
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Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote in
news:5n8715....@news.alt.net:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Shawn Wilson wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 11:25 am, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news
>>> >> servers, and usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled
>>> >> to run correctly.
>>>
>>> > Oooh... I want more details about this.
>>>
>>> eternal-september.org (formerly motzarella) is the
>>> (free) provider I
>>> use. I use Thunderbird as my client but I'm sure there's many
>>> others.
>>
>>
>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said,
>> the computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the
>> installer (or anything else).
>
> I'm told Portable Thunderbird from Portableapps runs just fine
> from a USB thumb drive.
Not if the OS is set up to now allow random .exes to run, which is
apparently the case. What Shawn's trying to do is very clearly
prhobitied by the terms of service of the cafe he's renting the
comptuer in, which makes his attempts to bypass the restrction
arguably criminal.
news:5n8715....@news.alt.net:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Shawn Wilson wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 11:25 am, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news
>>> >> servers, and usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled
>>> >> to run correctly.
>>>
>>> > Oooh... I want more details about this.
>>>
>>> eternal-september.org (formerly motzarella) is the
>>> (free) provider I
>>> use. I use Thunderbird as my client but I'm sure there's many
>>> others.
>>
>>
>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said,
>> the computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the
>> installer (or anything else).
>
> I'm told Portable Thunderbird from Portableapps runs just fine
> from a USB thumb drive.
apparently the case. What Shawn's trying to do is very clearly
prhobitied by the terms of service of the cafe he's renting the
comptuer in, which makes his attempts to bypass the restrction
arguably criminal.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 12:18:13 PM6/14/12
to
Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote in
news:jrbqr8$211$1...@dont-email.me:
Maybe not having one is a condition of probation or something.
news:jrbqr8$211$1...@dont-email.me:
Quadibloc
Jun 14, 2012, 12:42:19 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 12, 11:49 am, Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In particular, I see no way to view both a reply tree and and full
> articles at the same time;
Click on "Options", above and to the right, and then on "View as
> In particular, I see no way to view both a reply tree and and full
> articles at the same time;
Tree". That stll works. Sometimes you will get the "Standard View"
when you use a different computer, or refresh your sign-on.
I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
new Google Groups.
John Savard
Cryptoengineer
Jun 14, 2012, 1:00:59 PM6/14/12
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*new* GG. You are describing long-familiar options in the *old* GG.
pt
garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk
Jun 14, 2012, 1:08:00 PM6/14/12
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In rec.arts.sf.fandom Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have write access to my thumb drives, BUT THE LIBRARY
>> COMPUTERS WILL NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
>
> If they've blocked .exes, then you're fucked. Period. Get over it.
> (And the attempt to bypass their clear intent is arguably a
> criminal offense on your part.)
>>
I do not know about your country, but it sounds definitely 1984ish.
>
>> I have write access to my thumb drives, BUT THE LIBRARY
>> COMPUTERS WILL NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
>
> If they've blocked .exes, then you're fucked. Period. Get over it.
> (And the attempt to bypass their clear intent is arguably a
> criminal offense on your part.)
>>
Breach of library rules is hardly a criminal offence. It is probably not
even a breach of contract (if there is no clear contract). OTOH,
"breaking into" their computer system might be a criminal offence, and I
would not trust a clueless jury to decide if e.g. booting a library
computer from your USB is a "breaking into" or not.
Michael Stemper
Jun 14, 2012, 1:08:23 PM6/14/12
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In article <jraq9s$e4v$1...@news.sosdg.org>, Catherine Jefferson <spam...@spambouncer.org> writes:
>On 6/13/2012 6:38 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>>>> (crossposted to rasff, rasfw)
>On 6/13/2012 6:38 AM, Kevrob wrote:
>> Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com before
>> Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the spam
>> problem.
>
>OK, that would get around the problem of being subscribed to groups that
>you never asked for and getting the spam. Read groups on Google only,
>and block email containing Google Groups headers or write a script to
>dump it in the trash. I recommend filtering anything with an
>"X-BeenThere" header, which is as far as I know is used only by Google
>Groups.
>
>I do sometimes use Google to search Usenet archives. But I forgot some
>people read current Usenet groups that way.
north of 80% of the posters here not only read from, but post through, it.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 1:26:17 PM6/14/12
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garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote in
news:jrd5pg$4pv$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> In rec.arts.sf.fandom Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have write access to my thumb drives, BUT THE LIBRARY
>>> COMPUTERS WILL NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
>>
>> If they've blocked .exes, then you're fucked. Period. Get over
>> it. (And the attempt to bypass their clear intent is arguably a
>> criminal offense on your part.)
>>>
>
> I do not know about your country, but it sounds definitely
> 1984ish.
What's 1984ish about the owner of the equipment setting rules for
its use, and the law supporting them?
which is a federal crime. If there were any damage done - say, a
virus from an infected USB stick - it even becomes p,lausible, and
rightly so. It's the library's computer, after all, not Shawn's. (I
don't think Shawn is in the US, but most other countries seem to be
stricter, not mor lax, in their laws.)
> It is
> probably not even a breach of contract (if there is no clear
> contract).
Wanna bet? Aside from the click-through license you don't read, if
they block programs from running, only a retard (or a criminal)
could possibly claim with a straight face there's no implied
contract provision banning the running of executables.
> OTOH, "breaking into" their computer system might be
> a criminal offence, and I would not trust a clueless jury to
> decide if e.g. booting a library computer from your USB is a
> "breaking into" or not.
>
If they'd gone to the trouble to lock out executables, it seems
likely they've also locked out the BIOS and turned off booting from
anything other than the hard drive. It takes a deliberate,
conscious act to do something that they _clearly_ have prohibited,
and it's _their_ computer. Get over it.
news:jrd5pg$4pv$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> In rec.arts.sf.fandom Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have write access to my thumb drives, BUT THE LIBRARY
>>> COMPUTERS WILL NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
>>
>> If they've blocked .exes, then you're fucked. Period. Get over
>> it. (And the attempt to bypass their clear intent is arguably a
>> criminal offense on your part.)
>>>
>
> I do not know about your country, but it sounds definitely
> 1984ish.
its use, and the law supporting them?
>
> Breach of library rules is hardly a criminal offence.
In the US, it certainly _could_ be unauthorized computer access,
> Breach of library rules is hardly a criminal offence.
which is a federal crime. If there were any damage done - say, a
virus from an infected USB stick - it even becomes p,lausible, and
rightly so. It's the library's computer, after all, not Shawn's. (I
don't think Shawn is in the US, but most other countries seem to be
stricter, not mor lax, in their laws.)
> It is
> probably not even a breach of contract (if there is no clear
> contract).
they block programs from running, only a retard (or a criminal)
could possibly claim with a straight face there's no implied
contract provision banning the running of executables.
> OTOH, "breaking into" their computer system might be
> a criminal offence, and I would not trust a clueless jury to
> decide if e.g. booting a library computer from your USB is a
> "breaking into" or not.
>
likely they've also locked out the BIOS and turned off booting from
anything other than the hard drive. It takes a deliberate,
conscious act to do something that they _clearly_ have prohibited,
and it's _their_ computer. Get over it.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 1:27:47 PM6/14/12
to
Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:ac49f235-cd57-4b4b-9e1f-
6926a6...@re7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
> new Google Groups.
>
I suspect that a lot of people who find you otherwise amusing will
stop seeing your posts at that point, since AIOE is a spamfest
rathole that makes no attempt whatsoever to interfere with the
various scams and frauds posted through them.
6926a6...@re7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
> new Google Groups.
>
stop seeing your posts at that point, since AIOE is a spamfest
rathole that makes no attempt whatsoever to interfere with the
various scams and frauds posted through them.
Michael Stemper
Jun 14, 2012, 1:42:38 PM6/14/12
to
In article <XnsA0725E8A54F...@69.16.186.7>, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> writes:
>Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote in news:5n8715....@news.alt.net:
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Shawn Wilson wrote:
>>>> eternal-september.org (formerly motzarella) is the
>>>> (free) provider I
>>>> use. I use Thunderbird as my client but I'm sure there's many
>>>> others.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said,
>>> the computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the
>>> installer (or anything else).
>>
>> I'm told Portable Thunderbird from Portableapps runs just fine
>> from a USB thumb drive.
>
>Not if the OS is set up to now allow random .exes to run, which is
>apparently the case. What Shawn's trying to do is very clearly
>prhobitied by the terms of service of the cafe he's renting the
>comptuer in, which makes his attempts to bypass the restrction
>arguably criminal.
That's surprising. I'd expect that a contractual violation would lead
>Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote in news:5n8715....@news.alt.net:
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Shawn Wilson wrote:
>>>> eternal-september.org (formerly motzarella) is the
>>>> (free) provider I
>>>> use. I use Thunderbird as my client but I'm sure there's many
>>>> others.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said,
>>> the computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the
>>> installer (or anything else).
>>
>> I'm told Portable Thunderbird from Portableapps runs just fine
>> from a USB thumb drive.
>
>Not if the OS is set up to now allow random .exes to run, which is
>apparently the case. What Shawn's trying to do is very clearly
>prhobitied by the terms of service of the cafe he's renting the
>comptuer in, which makes his attempts to bypass the restrction
>arguably criminal.
to a civil trial rather than a criminal one.
garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk
Jun 14, 2012, 1:52:55 PM6/14/12
to
In rec.arts.sf.fandom Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's 1984ish about the owner of the equipment setting rules for
> its use, and the law supporting them?
1984ish is that it is *a criminal offence* if you break the laws in a
> What's 1984ish about the owner of the equipment setting rules for
> its use, and the law supporting them?
petty, insignificant manner (if you cause no harm, intent no harm
etc...).
Walking over library's lawn is not a criminal offence (at least here),
despite their clear intention of preventing it (by e.g. displaying clear
sign saying "DO NOT STEP ON THE GRASS").
At the extreme end, one might get fined (by a policeman) for this, but
that's about all (unless you do something stupid, like insulting the
policeman).
>>
>> Breach of library rules is hardly a criminal offence.
>
> In the US, it certainly _could_ be unauthorized computer access,
> which is a federal crime.
some regards.
>>
> If they'd gone to the trouble to lock out executables, it seems
> likely they've also locked out the BIOS and turned off booting from
> anything other than the hard drive.
gaping hole on the other side.
E.g. a lift at my gf's block of flats (to the 9th floor) - in order to
use the lift, you must have a key. Which I do not have, since I do not
live there. However, by pressing two buttons at the same time, the lock
unblocks and I can use the lift. Am I committing a criminal offence by
making a deliberate, conscious act to do something that they _clearly_
have prohibited? (i.e. using the lift).
And, if the locking mechanism happens to be operated by a
microprocessor, is it an unauthorized computer access? Did I just
publicly confess and will I be arrested at the border if I ever visit
the USA? Oh my.
ObSF: almost conscious lift, erm, an elevator, in Simon Funk's After Life.
> It takes a deliberate,
> conscious act to do something that they _clearly_ have prohibited,
> and it's _their_ computer. Get over it.
rules, their user complaining about the policy. It is just a creepy
thought that this is a *criminal* offence. Reminds me of some laws from
the era of the Communist Party.
Shawn Wilson
Jun 14, 2012, 2:33:37 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 14, 10:08 am, garabik-news-2005...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk
message saying (roughly) "you can't do that". If I wanted to break in
to the system I could just glance over at a computer tech for their
administrator password when they log a computer on. That gives
unrestricted access. (they recently upgraded all the computers and
they are still working out bugs, so techs are frequently around)
wrote:
> >> I have write access to my thumb drives, BUT THE LIBRARY
> >> COMPUTERS WILL NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
>
> > If they've blocked .exes, then you're fucked. Period. Get over it.
> > (And the attempt to bypass their clear intent is arguably a
> > criminal offense on your part.)
>
> I do not know about your country, but it sounds definitely 1984ish.
Of course he's full of shit. Did you really wonder? I tried, I got a
> >> I have write access to my thumb drives, BUT THE LIBRARY
> >> COMPUTERS WILL NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
>
> > If they've blocked .exes, then you're fucked. Period. Get over it.
> > (And the attempt to bypass their clear intent is arguably a
> > criminal offense on your part.)
>
> I do not know about your country, but it sounds definitely 1984ish.
message saying (roughly) "you can't do that". If I wanted to break in
to the system I could just glance over at a computer tech for their
administrator password when they log a computer on. That gives
unrestricted access. (they recently upgraded all the computers and
they are still working out bugs, so techs are frequently around)
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 2:43:55 PM6/14/12
to
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote in
news:jrd7qd$ro1$1...@dont-email.me:
A contractual violation would. Unauthorized comptuer access,
colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as "hacking",
however, is a federal crime. (IIRC, Shawn's not in the US, but most
countries have similar laws). Mind you, if no damage were done, it
would be surprising to see it go that way, but legally, there's no
difference between Shawn running Xnews so he doesn't have to deal
with DejaGoogle's suckiness, and some mafia type running a spambot
mail server, pumping out a hundred million fake viagra ads a minute
on the library's T-1. It doesn't matter _what_ the purpose is, they
have clearly prohibited running unapproved programs, by the act of
restricting such in the system, and it's _their computer_.
news:jrd7qd$ro1$1...@dont-email.me:
colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as "hacking",
however, is a federal crime. (IIRC, Shawn's not in the US, but most
countries have similar laws). Mind you, if no damage were done, it
would be surprising to see it go that way, but legally, there's no
difference between Shawn running Xnews so he doesn't have to deal
with DejaGoogle's suckiness, and some mafia type running a spambot
mail server, pumping out a hundred million fake viagra ads a minute
on the library's T-1. It doesn't matter _what_ the purpose is, they
have clearly prohibited running unapproved programs, by the act of
restricting such in the system, and it's _their computer_.
David Friedman
Jun 14, 2012, 3:07:40 PM6/14/12
to
In article
<886aff99-1337-4494...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
with computers. If you do, and then plug the thumb drive in at the
library, will the computer refuse to run the program from the drive?
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_
<886aff99-1337-4494...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said, the
> computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the installer
> (or anything else).
You could install it using some other computer--surely you have friends
> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said, the
> computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the installer
> (or anything else).
with computers. If you do, and then plug the thumb drive in at the
library, will the computer refuse to run the program from the drive?
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_
Bill Snyder
Jun 14, 2012, 3:11:37 PM6/14/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:07:40 -0400, David Friedman
<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>In article
><886aff99-1337-4494...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said, the
>> computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the installer
>> (or anything else).
>
>You could install it using some other computer--surely you have friends
>with computers. If you do, and then plug the thumb drive in at the
>library, will the computer refuse to run the program from the drive?
Shawn? Have friends?
<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>In article
><886aff99-1337-4494...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said, the
>> computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the installer
>> (or anything else).
>
>You could install it using some other computer--surely you have friends
>with computers. If you do, and then plug the thumb drive in at the
>library, will the computer refuse to run the program from the drive?
David DeLaney
Jun 14, 2012, 3:34:17 PM6/14/12
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote
way to access their servers via a browser rather than a dedicated news
program? That would be a solution usable in such libraries, cuz they're in
general set UP to allow viewing of whatever websites you're looking for...
Dave "and it'd have to be set up better than Google Groups, by definition"
DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
>mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote
>> That's surprising. I'd expect that a contractual violation would
>> lead to a civil trial rather than a criminal one.
>>
>A contractual violation would. Unauthorized comptuer access,
>colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as "hacking",
>however, is a federal crime. (IIRC, Shawn's not in the US, but most
>countries have similar laws). Mind you, if no damage were done, it
>would be surprising to see it go that way, but legally, there's no
>difference between Shawn running Xnews so he doesn't have to deal
>with DejaGoogle's suckiness, and some mafia type running a spambot
>mail server, pumping out a hundred million fake viagra ads a minute
>on the library's T-1. It doesn't matter _what_ the purpose is, they
>have clearly prohibited running unapproved programs, by the act of
>restricting such in the system, and it's _their computer_.
...I wonder if eternal-september, or any of the free-access sites, have a
>> lead to a civil trial rather than a criminal one.
>>
>A contractual violation would. Unauthorized comptuer access,
>colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as "hacking",
>however, is a federal crime. (IIRC, Shawn's not in the US, but most
>countries have similar laws). Mind you, if no damage were done, it
>would be surprising to see it go that way, but legally, there's no
>difference between Shawn running Xnews so he doesn't have to deal
>with DejaGoogle's suckiness, and some mafia type running a spambot
>mail server, pumping out a hundred million fake viagra ads a minute
>on the library's T-1. It doesn't matter _what_ the purpose is, they
>have clearly prohibited running unapproved programs, by the act of
>restricting such in the system, and it's _their computer_.
way to access their servers via a browser rather than a dedicated news
program? That would be a solution usable in such libraries, cuz they're in
general set UP to allow viewing of whatever websites you're looking for...
Dave "and it'd have to be set up better than Google Groups, by definition"
DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Kurt Busiek
Jun 14, 2012, 3:45:30 PM6/14/12
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On 2012-06-14 17:27:47 +0000, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
<taus...@gmail.com> said:
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:ac49f235-cd57-4b4b-9e1f-
> 6926a6...@re7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
>> new Google Groups.
>>
> I suspect that a lot of people who find you otherwise amusing will
> stop seeing your posts at that point, since AIOE is a spamfest
> rathole that makes no attempt whatsoever to interfere with the
> various scams and frauds posted through them.
"Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:ac49f235-cd57-4b4b-9e1f-
> 6926a6...@re7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
>> new Google Groups.
>>
> I suspect that a lot of people who find you otherwise amusing will
> stop seeing your posts at that point, since AIOE is a spamfest
> rathole that makes no attempt whatsoever to interfere with the
> various scams and frauds posted through them.
Bill Snyder
Jun 14, 2012, 3:48:18 PM6/14/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:45:30 -0700, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
wrote:
>On 2012-06-14 17:27:47 +0000, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
><taus...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:ac49f235-cd57-4b4b-9e1f-
>> 6926a6...@re7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
>>> new Google Groups.
>>>
>> I suspect that a lot of people who find you otherwise amusing will
>> stop seeing your posts at that point, since AIOE is a spamfest
>> rathole that makes no attempt whatsoever to interfere with the
>> various scams and frauds posted through them.
>
>"Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
a viable business?
wrote:
>On 2012-06-14 17:27:47 +0000, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
><taus...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:ac49f235-cd57-4b4b-9e1f-
>> 6926a6...@re7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
>>> new Google Groups.
>>>
>> I suspect that a lot of people who find you otherwise amusing will
>> stop seeing your posts at that point, since AIOE is a spamfest
>> rathole that makes no attempt whatsoever to interfere with the
>> various scams and frauds posted through them.
>
>"Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
a viable business?
Kurt Busiek
Jun 14, 2012, 4:04:03 PM6/14/12
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Butch Malahide
Jun 14, 2012, 4:28:15 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 14, 3:04 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
Minnesota, rather than one of the Pribilof Islands in the Bering Sea.
No doubt you are aware that St. Paul is located about 100 miles north
of the SPAM Museum, and was formerly called Pig's Eye after a
notorious local saloonkeeper. However, I believe the neighboring town
of Minneapolis has more low-class Vikings. You will find a lot of low-
class Irishmen in St. Paul.
> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:45:30 -0700, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>
> > Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
> > a viable business?
>
> St. Paul.
An interesting choice. I assume you mean the capital city of
> > wrote:
>
> >> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>
> > Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
> > a viable business?
>
> St. Paul.
Minnesota, rather than one of the Pribilof Islands in the Bering Sea.
No doubt you are aware that St. Paul is located about 100 miles north
of the SPAM Museum, and was formerly called Pig's Eye after a
notorious local saloonkeeper. However, I believe the neighboring town
of Minneapolis has more low-class Vikings. You will find a lot of low-
class Irishmen in St. Paul.
Kurt Busiek
Jun 14, 2012, 4:53:36 PM6/14/12
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people after closing time.
Charles Bishop
Jun 14, 2012, 6:09:32 PM6/14/12
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sufficed until now, he'd rather not spend the money. If he can solve it
and stay in the library, it's probably the best solution for him.
He wouldn't necessarily need any infrastructure at home would he? He could
mooch free WiFi at many public places, moving on when he feels the
basilisk state of the propriter on the back of his neck.
--
charles
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 5:08:06 PM6/14/12
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garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote in
news:jrd8dn$bn4$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> In rec.arts.sf.fandom Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What's 1984ish about the owner of the equipment setting rules
>> for its use, and the law supporting them?
>
> 1984ish is that it is *a criminal offence* if you break the laws
> in a petty, insignificant manner (if you cause no harm, intent
> no harm etc...).
So it'd be OK with you if I broke in to your house, and watched
your sleep, so long as I picked the lock instead of kicking in the
door? Really?
usually an infraction, but can be a misdemeanor.
> despite their clear intention of preventing it (by e.g.
> displaying clear sign saying "DO NOT STEP ON THE GRASS").
> At the extreme end, one might get fined (by a policeman) for
> this, but that's about all (unless you do something stupid, like
> insulting the policeman).
Civilized countries do not allow policemen to fine people. Only
courts can do that. And unless the fine is voluntary, it's a
criminal matter (in civilized countries), even if it's a minor one.
What happens if the policeman tells you to get off the grass, and
you refuse? Does he just walk away, or does he handcuff you and
haul you off? How is that *not* a criminal matter?
what _other_ people's computers can be used for. If you don't like
the libraries rules, buy your own computer. If you can't afford
one, perhaps that's a clue about your lifestyle that you should
think hard about.
it'll probably be prosecuted as such, too.
> (i.e.
> using the lift). And, if the locking mechanism happens to be
> operated by a microprocessor, is it an unauthorized computer
> access? Did I just publicly confess and will I be arrested at
> the border if I ever visit the USA? Oh my.
Since you didn't commit a crime _in_ the US, why would you be
arrested if you visit the US?
> I do not care - their library,
> their rules, their user complaining about the policy. It is just
> a creepy thought that this is a *criminal* offence. Reminds me
> of some laws from the era of the Communist Party.
>
Then you wouldn't minnd at all, me visiting you in the middle of
the night, just to watch you sleep, eh? Cuz if you do, then, by
your own admission, you've a communist.
news:jrd8dn$bn4$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> In rec.arts.sf.fandom Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What's 1984ish about the owner of the equipment setting rules
>> for its use, and the law supporting them?
>
> 1984ish is that it is *a criminal offence* if you break the laws
> in a petty, insignificant manner (if you cause no harm, intent
> no harm etc...).
your sleep, so long as I picked the lock instead of kicking in the
door? Really?
>
> Walking over library's lawn is not a criminal offence (at least
> here),
If it's marked "stay off the grass," it's tresspassing, which is
> Walking over library's lawn is not a criminal offence (at least
> here),
usually an infraction, but can be a misdemeanor.
> despite their clear intention of preventing it (by e.g.
> displaying clear sign saying "DO NOT STEP ON THE GRASS").
> At the extreme end, one might get fined (by a policeman) for
> this, but that's about all (unless you do something stupid, like
> insulting the policeman).
courts can do that. And unless the fine is voluntary, it's a
criminal matter (in civilized countries), even if it's a minor one.
What happens if the policeman tells you to get off the grass, and
you refuse? Does he just walk away, or does he handcuff you and
haul you off? How is that *not* a criminal matter?
>
>
>>>
>>> Breach of library rules is hardly a criminal offence.
>>
>> In the US, it certainly _could_ be unauthorized computer
>> access, which is a federal crime.
>
> Yes, that's the matter of what is "an access". USA is turning
> 1984 in some regards.
Only criminals believe that they should be allowed to determine
>
>>>
>>> Breach of library rules is hardly a criminal offence.
>>
>> In the US, it certainly _could_ be unauthorized computer
>> access, which is a federal crime.
>
> Yes, that's the matter of what is "an access". USA is turning
> 1984 in some regards.
what _other_ people's computers can be used for. If you don't like
the libraries rules, buy your own computer. If you can't afford
one, perhaps that's a clue about your lifestyle that you should
think hard about.
>
>>>
>> If they'd gone to the trouble to lock out executables, it seems
>> likely they've also locked out the BIOS and turned off booting
>> from anything other than the hard drive.
>
> I've seen systems with more stupid limitations on one side and a
> gaping hole on the other side.
And? If it's not your system, it's wrong to mess with it.
>>>
>> If they'd gone to the trouble to lock out executables, it seems
>> likely they've also locked out the BIOS and turned off booting
>> from anything other than the hard drive.
>
> I've seen systems with more stupid limitations on one side and a
> gaping hole on the other side.
>
> E.g. a lift at my gf's block of flats (to the 9th floor) - in
> order to use the lift, you must have a key. Which I do not have,
> since I do not live there. However, by pressing two buttons at
> the same time, the lock unblocks and I can use the lift. Am I
> committing a criminal offence by making a deliberate, conscious
> act to do something that they _clearly_ have prohibited?
Arguably, yes. If you use it to, say, stalk your ex-girlfriend,
> E.g. a lift at my gf's block of flats (to the 9th floor) - in
> order to use the lift, you must have a key. Which I do not have,
> since I do not live there. However, by pressing two buttons at
> the same time, the lock unblocks and I can use the lift. Am I
> committing a criminal offence by making a deliberate, conscious
> act to do something that they _clearly_ have prohibited?
it'll probably be prosecuted as such, too.
> (i.e.
> using the lift). And, if the locking mechanism happens to be
> operated by a microprocessor, is it an unauthorized computer
> access? Did I just publicly confess and will I be arrested at
> the border if I ever visit the USA? Oh my.
arrested if you visit the US?
>
> ObSF: almost conscious lift, erm, an elevator, in Simon Funk's
> After Life.
>
>> It takes a deliberate,
>> conscious act to do something that they _clearly_ have
>> prohibited, and it's _their_ computer. Get over it.
>
> I do not need to "get over it'.
In fact, you do.
> ObSF: almost conscious lift, erm, an elevator, in Simon Funk's
> After Life.
>
>> It takes a deliberate,
>> conscious act to do something that they _clearly_ have
>> prohibited, and it's _their_ computer. Get over it.
>
> I do not need to "get over it'.
> I do not care - their library,
> their rules, their user complaining about the policy. It is just
> a creepy thought that this is a *criminal* offence. Reminds me
> of some laws from the era of the Communist Party.
>
the night, just to watch you sleep, eh? Cuz if you do, then, by
your own admission, you've a communist.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 5:10:05 PM6/14/12
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Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:869ff050-d162-41f2...@vs10g2000pbc.googlegroups
.com:
> On Jun 14, 10:08 am,
> garabik-news-2005...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote:
>
>> >> I have write access to my thumb drives, BUT THE LIBRARY
>> >> COMPUTERS WILL NOT RUN ALIEN SOFTWARE. PERIOD.
>>
>> > If they've blocked .exes, then you're fucked. Period. Get
>> > over it. (And the attempt to bypass their clear intent is
>> > arguably a criminal offense on your part.)
>>
>> I do not know about your country, but it sounds definitely
>> 1984ish.
>
>
>
> Of course he's full of shit.
dude, you make Quaddie looks like the smart one at times, and he's
completely mental.
> Did you really wonder? I tried, I
> got a message saying (roughly) "you can't do that". If I wanted
> to break in to the system I could just glance over at a computer
> tech for their administrator password when they log a computer
> on. That gives unrestricted access. (they recently upgraded
> all the computers and they are still working out bugs, so techs
> are frequently around)
>
"no you can't" being criminal, you're now (as you generally do)
lying in order to look less stupid. Typical behavior, from you.
Pretty much _ever_ attempt to have a conversation with you ends up
with you lying about sometime. It's like it's pathological.
Charles Bishop
Jun 14, 2012, 6:15:16 PM6/14/12
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In article <jrdf0q$f52$1...@dont-email.me>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>On 2012-06-14 17:27:47 +0000, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
><taus...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:ac49f235-cd57-4b4b-9e1f-
>> 6926a6...@re7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
>>> new Google Groups.
>>>
>> I suspect that a lot of people who find you otherwise amusing will
>> stop seeing your posts at that point, since AIOE is a spamfest
>> rathole that makes no attempt whatsoever to interfere with the
>> various scams and frauds posted through them.
>
>"Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>
How do I pronounce that last word when I come in?
>On 2012-06-14 17:27:47 +0000, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
><taus...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:ac49f235-cd57-4b4b-9e1f-
>> 6926a6...@re7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
>>> new Google Groups.
>>>
>> I suspect that a lot of people who find you otherwise amusing will
>> stop seeing your posts at that point, since AIOE is a spamfest
>> rathole that makes no attempt whatsoever to interfere with the
>> various scams and frauds posted through them.
>
>"Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>
--
charles
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 5:13:25 PM6/14/12
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David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in
news:ddfr-CAB033.1...@news.giganews.com:
> In article
> <886aff99-1337-4494...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.co
so no, that wont' work. The library ahs just shut off all executables
that aren't specifically allowed. Not that uncommon on publicly
accessible computers, really. If you think about how stupid the
public is (you know, people like Shawn), it's obvious why.
news:ddfr-CAB033.1...@news.giganews.com:
> In article
> <886aff99-1337-4494...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.co
> m>,
> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said,
>> the computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the
>> installer (or anything else).
>
> You could install it using some other computer--surely you have
> friends with computers. If you do, and then plug the thumb drive
> in at the library, will the computer refuse to run the program
> from the drive?
>
Xnews won't run, and it doesn't require any installation whatseover,
> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said,
>> the computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the
>> installer (or anything else).
>
> You could install it using some other computer--surely you have
> friends with computers. If you do, and then plug the thumb drive
> in at the library, will the computer refuse to run the program
> from the drive?
>
so no, that wont' work. The library ahs just shut off all executables
that aren't specifically allowed. Not that uncommon on publicly
accessible computers, really. If you think about how stupid the
public is (you know, people like Shawn), it's obvious why.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 5:13:47 PM6/14/12
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Bill Snyder <bsn...@airmail.net> wrote in
news:bodkt79fkfceoc311...@4ax.com:
He keeps them in the closet, when he's not playing with them.
news:bodkt79fkfceoc311...@4ax.com:
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 5:15:39 PM6/14/12
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Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote in
news:jrdf0q$f52$1...@dont-email.me:
> On 2012-06-14 17:27:47 +0000, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>> news:ac49f235-cd57-4b4b-9e1f-
>> 6926a6...@re7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not
>>> support the new Google Groups.
>>>
>> I suspect that a lot of people who find you otherwise amusing
>> will stop seeing your posts at that point, since AIOE is a
>> spamfest rathole that makes no attempt whatsoever to interfere
>> with the various scams and frauds posted through them.
>
> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>
Charles Bishop
Jun 14, 2012, 6:19:38 PM6/14/12
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to post until their access is restored.
charles, aux somethingorother, bishop
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 5:18:07 PM6/14/12
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ctbi...@earthlink.net (Charles Bishop) wrote in
news:ctbishop-140...@global-66-81-250-242.dialup.o1.com:
> In article <jrbqr8$211$1...@dont-email.me>, Kurt Busiek
> <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2012-06-13 23:19:27 +0000, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>><taus...@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:33f8879b-cefd-4a9d...@m2g2000pbv.googlegrou
>>> ps.c om:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 13, 1:47 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>>>> <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> It
>>>>> will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't
>>>>> shut off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs.
>>>>> And that means your archives travel with you.
>>>>
>>>> You're just taunting me, aren't you?
>>>>
>>> Maybe you should get a job and buy your own computer. *That*
>>> is taunting you.
>>
>>One would think that an economist of Shawn's self-declared skill
>>would be able to function within the economic system well enough
>>to buy a computer.
>
> It's possible he can afford a computer at home but, as the
> library has sufficed until now, he'd rather not spend the money.
> If he can solve it and stay in the library, it's probably the
> best solution for him.
It is, technically, possible. But that's not the way I'd bet.
news:ctbishop-140...@global-66-81-250-242.dialup.o1.com:
> In article <jrbqr8$211$1...@dont-email.me>, Kurt Busiek
> <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2012-06-13 23:19:27 +0000, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>><taus...@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:33f8879b-cefd-4a9d...@m2g2000pbv.googlegrou
>>> ps.c om:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 13, 1:47 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
>>>> <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> It
>>>>> will cheerfully run from a USB stick if the USB ports aren't
>>>>> shut off. No installation necessary at all, it simply runs.
>>>>> And that means your archives travel with you.
>>>>
>>>> You're just taunting me, aren't you?
>>>>
>>> Maybe you should get a job and buy your own computer. *That*
>>> is taunting you.
>>
>>One would think that an economist of Shawn's self-declared skill
>>would be able to function within the economic system well enough
>>to buy a computer.
>
> It's possible he can afford a computer at home but, as the
> library has sufficed until now, he'd rather not spend the money.
> If he can solve it and stay in the library, it's probably the
> best solution for him.
Michael Stemper
Jun 14, 2012, 5:18:23 PM6/14/12
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In article <XnsA0727758881...@69.16.186.7>, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> writes:
>mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote in news:jrd7qd$ro1$1...@dont-email.me:
>> In article <XnsA0725E8A54F...@69.16.186.7>, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote in news:5n8715....@news.alt.net:
>mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote in news:jrd7qd$ro1$1...@dont-email.me:
>> In article <XnsA0725E8A54F...@69.16.186.7>, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote in news:5n8715....@news.alt.net:
>>>> I'm told Portable Thunderbird from Portableapps runs just fine
>>>> from a USB thumb drive.
>>>
>>>Not if the OS is set up to now allow random .exes to run, which
>>>is apparently the case. What Shawn's trying to do is very
>>>clearly prhobitied by the terms of service of the cafe he's
>>>renting the comptuer in, which makes his attempts to bypass the
>>>restrction arguably criminal.
>>
>> That's surprising. I'd expect that a contractual violation would
>> lead to a civil trial rather than a criminal one.
>>
>A contractual violation would. Unauthorized comptuer access,
>colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as "hacking",
>however, is a federal crime.
I see. Kind of like wearing a tee-shirt with the wrong number on it.
>>>> from a USB thumb drive.
>>>
>>>Not if the OS is set up to now allow random .exes to run, which
>>>is apparently the case. What Shawn's trying to do is very
>>>clearly prhobitied by the terms of service of the cafe he's
>>>renting the comptuer in, which makes his attempts to bypass the
>>>restrction arguably criminal.
>>
>> That's surprising. I'd expect that a contractual violation would
>> lead to a civil trial rather than a criminal one.
>>
>A contractual violation would. Unauthorized comptuer access,
>colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as "hacking",
>however, is a federal crime.
Probably made a Federal crime by the same people who prefess to hate
the intrusion of the Federal government into areas that don't concern
it according to <genuflect> Original Intent.
> (IIRC, Shawn's not in the US,
Michael Stemper
Jun 14, 2012, 5:19:45 PM6/14/12
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In article <jrdj0g$9to$1...@dont-email.me>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> writes:
>On 2012-06-14 20:28:15 +0000, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> said:
>> On Jun 14, 3:04 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:45:30 -0700, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>>>
>>>> Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
>>>> a viable business?
>>>
>>> St. Paul.
You'll need to compete with Mickey's Diner then.
>On 2012-06-14 20:28:15 +0000, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> said:
>> On Jun 14, 3:04 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:45:30 -0700, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>>>
>>>> Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
>>>> a viable business?
>>>
>>> St. Paul.
>> An interesting choice. I assume you mean the capital city of
>> Minnesota, rather than one of the Pribilof Islands in the Bering Sea.
>> No doubt you are aware that St. Paul is located about 100 miles north
>> of the SPAM Museum, and was formerly called Pig's Eye after a
>> notorious local saloonkeeper. However, I believe the neighboring town
>> of Minneapolis has more low-class Vikings.
>
>They can drive over. Then they can go the fuck home and bother other
>people after closing time.
Kurt Busiek
Jun 14, 2012, 5:19:56 PM6/14/12
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Easterner.
garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk
Jun 14, 2012, 5:50:30 PM6/14/12
to
In rec.arts.sf.fandom Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote in
> news:jrd8dn$bn4$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>>
> garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote in
> news:jrd8dn$bn4$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>>
>> 1984ish is that it is *a criminal offence* if you break the laws
>> in a petty, insignificant manner (if you cause no harm, intent
>> no harm etc...).
s/laws/rules/
>> in a petty, insignificant manner (if you cause no harm, intent
>> no harm etc...).
sorry, an honest typo
>
> So it'd be OK with you if I broke in to your house, and watched
> your sleep, so long as I picked the lock instead of kicking in the
> door? Really?
Picking-kicking, doesn't matter.
Walking over publicly owned lawn is not. At worst, you are breaking
municipality rules (if there are such) on keeping the environment.
>
> Civilized countries do not allow policemen to fine people. Only
> courts can do that. And unless the fine is voluntary, it's a
> criminal matter (in civilized countries), even if it's a minor one.
For minor traffic rules violations, policemen will fine you, and that's
the end of it. You _can_ appeal to a court, if you feel the fine unjust,
but it is far, far from criminal prosecution (especially if it is _you_
giving the motion).
(for some violations, you can get bad points for your
driving license, and DUI is indeed a criminal offence in most cases).
I imagine that in uncivilised countries, you could be even jailed
_before being sentenced by a court_ for something as minor as not
stopping at the stop sign.
>
> What happens if the policeman tells you to get off the grass, and
> you refuse? Does he just walk away, or does he handcuff you and
> haul you off? How is that *not* a criminal matter?
arrive to your postbox. And you'll have something like 30 days to pay.
Now, if you refuse (e.g. you forgot it home) to show your identity card,
he will (politely, uncuffed, unless you resist) take you to a police
station to determine your identity. There is a law for that, you know...
refusing to reveal your identity is a misdemeanor (I guess). You might
be a foreign terr^Willegal immigrant, after all.
>>
>> I've seen systems with more stupid limitations on one side and a
>> gaping hole on the other side.
>
> And? If it's not your system, it's wrong to mess with it.
But is each 'wrong' a criminal offence?
It is wrong to shout at your wife, but should you be handcuffed and
hauled away for this? Yes, you probably think you should.
>> committing a criminal offence by making a deliberate, conscious
>> act to do something that they _clearly_ have prohibited?
>
> Arguably, yes. If you use it to, say, stalk your ex-girlfriend,
> it'll probably be prosecuted as such, too.
>
>> (i.e.
>> using the lift). And, if the locking mechanism happens to be
>> operated by a microprocessor, is it an unauthorized computer
>> access? Did I just publicly confess and will I be arrested at
>> the border if I ever visit the USA? Oh my.
>
> Since you didn't commit a crime _in_ the US, why would you be
> arrested if you visit the US?
>>
>
>> I do not care - their library,
>> their rules, their user complaining about the policy. It is just
>> a creepy thought that this is a *criminal* offence. Reminds me
>> of some laws from the era of the Communist Party.
>>
> Then you wouldn't minnd at all, me visiting you in the middle of
> the night, just to watch you sleep, eh? Cuz if you do, then, by
> your own admission, you've a communist.
from... I do not know where.. to... I do not know where.
jgharston
Jun 14, 2012, 6:02:36 PM6/14/12
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Maybe you should get a job and buy your own computer. *That* is
> taunting you.
How do that help when visiting other locations and using "foreign"
> Maybe you should get a job and buy your own computer. *That* is
> taunting you.
computers? I often travel to remote locations to do research or
just to veg out, and use the computers in the local library.
JGH
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 6:09:22 PM6/14/12
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mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote in
news:jrdkev$f0l$2...@dont-email.me:
> In article <XnsA0727758881...@69.16.186.7>, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> writes:
>>mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote in
>>news:jrd7qd$ro1$1...@dont-email.me:
>>> In article <XnsA0725E8A54F...@69.16.186.7>, Gutless
>>> Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote in
>>>>news:5n8715....@news.alt.net:
>
>>>>> I'm told Portable Thunderbird from Portableapps runs just
>>>>> fine from a USB thumb drive.
>>>>
>>>>Not if the OS is set up to now allow random .exes to run,
>>>>which is apparently the case. What Shawn's trying to do is
>>>>very clearly prhobitied by the terms of service of the cafe
>>>>he's renting the comptuer in, which makes his attempts to
>>>>bypass the restrction arguably criminal.
>>>
>>> That's surprising. I'd expect that a contractual violation
>>> would lead to a civil trial rather than a criminal one.
>>>
>>A contractual violation would. Unauthorized comptuer access,
>>colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as "hacking",
>>however, is a federal crime.
>
> I see. Kind of like wearing a tee-shirt with the wrong number on
> it. Probably made a Federal crime by the same people who prefess
> to hate the intrusion of the Federal government into areas that
> don't concern it according to <genuflect> Original Intent.
definition of context. But thinner prosecutions have happened.
>
>> (IIRC, Shawn's not in the US,
>
> Well, I think that it's time to celebrate!
>
I do not disagree.
>> (IIRC, Shawn's not in the US,
>
> Well, I think that it's time to celebrate!
>
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 6:23:52 PM6/14/12
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garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote in
news:jrdmb6$grf$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> In rec.arts.sf.fandom Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote in
>> news:jrd8dn$bn4$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>>
>>>
>>> 1984ish is that it is *a criminal offence* if you break the
>>> laws in a petty, insignificant manner (if you cause no harm,
>>> intent no harm etc...).
>
> s/laws/rules/
> sorry, an honest typo
>
>>
>> So it'd be OK with you if I broke in to your house, and watched
>> your sleep, so long as I picked the lock instead of kicking in
>> the door? Really?
>
> Breaking into a someone else's house IS a serious criminal
> offence.
Only because the laws says so. The law also defines unauthorized
computer access, and running a program when the owner of the
equipment clearly has prohibited it qualifies.
>Picking-kicking, doesn't matter.
Just as Xnews/spambot doesn't matter.
>
> Walking over publicly owned lawn is not.
Unless it's posted to stay off.
> At worst, you are
> breaking municipality rules (if there are such) on keeping the
> environment.
Or you are trespassing, which is at least a low grade criminal
matter (a ticket, sure, usually, but still a criminal matter.)
fine on the spot? Or do their higher-ups get a cut, too?
> For minor traffic rules violations, policemen will fine you, and
> that's the end of it. You _can_ appeal to a court, if you feel
> the fine unjust, but it is far, far from criminal prosecution
> (especially if it is _you_ giving the motion).
If it's not optional to pay, it's a criminal matter.
> (for some violations, you can get bad points for your
> driving license, and DUI is indeed a criminal offence in most
> cases).
If you refuse to pay, will you eventually go to jail? If so, it' a
criminal matter, not matter what your lords and masters tell you.
judge and jury, as well. It's called the Rule of Law. You should
try it sometime.
masters try to call it something else.
> take you to a police station to determine your identity.
> There is a law for that, you know... refusing to reveal your
> identity is a misdemeanor (I guess). You might be a foreign
> terr^Willegal immigrant, after all.
Yes, indeed, the phrase "papers, please" (preferably with a thick
German or Russian accent) is widely known as a euphamism for a
police state.
(Mind you, if you refuse to produce a driver's license when pulled
over in the US, you'll get arrested, as well. But we don't pretend
that's not a criminal matter. There's case law on it from the
Supreme Court, even. If you're not free to go, it's a criminal
matter, and the full Bill of Rights applies.)
computer access is defined by law as a criminal offense.
> It is wrong to shout at your wife, but should you be handcuffed
> and hauled away for this? Yes, you probably think you should.
If it's defined as a criminal offense, then it's a criminal
offense. And if you think that "shouting at your wife" cannot,
under any circumstances, be worthy of criminal prosecution, then
you're either woefully naive, or a wife beater. Or, I suppose,
both.
extremely unlikely to be prosecuted as such unless there is some
measurable harm beyond the act in question.
prosecturos, mostly on the grounds that he hadn't done anything
illegal under US law *in* the US (and, in fact, what he did was
expliclitly legal in Russia at the time).
is your problem. If it's defined as a criminal offense, it's a
criminal offense. If you don't like the law, write your
congresscritter and demand they change it. Pretending the law says
something other than what it says makes you look stupid.
--
Terry Austin//
news:jrdmb6$grf$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> In rec.arts.sf.fandom Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote in
>> news:jrd8dn$bn4$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>>
>>>
>>> 1984ish is that it is *a criminal offence* if you break the
>>> laws in a petty, insignificant manner (if you cause no harm,
>>> intent no harm etc...).
>
> s/laws/rules/
> sorry, an honest typo
>
>>
>> So it'd be OK with you if I broke in to your house, and watched
>> your sleep, so long as I picked the lock instead of kicking in
>> the door? Really?
>
> Breaking into a someone else's house IS a serious criminal
> offence.
computer access, and running a program when the owner of the
equipment clearly has prohibited it qualifies.
>Picking-kicking, doesn't matter.
Just as Xnews/spambot doesn't matter.
>
> Walking over publicly owned lawn is not.
> At worst, you are
> breaking municipality rules (if there are such) on keeping the
> environment.
matter (a ticket, sure, usually, but still a criminal matter.)
>
>>
>> Civilized countries do not allow policemen to fine people. Only
>> courts can do that. And unless the fine is voluntary, it's a
>> criminal matter (in civilized countries), even if it's a minor
>> one.
>
> Have you ever been to the Europe?
No. I avoid police states. Tell me, do the policement collect the
>>
>> Civilized countries do not allow policemen to fine people. Only
>> courts can do that. And unless the fine is voluntary, it's a
>> criminal matter (in civilized countries), even if it's a minor
>> one.
>
> Have you ever been to the Europe?
fine on the spot? Or do their higher-ups get a cut, too?
> For minor traffic rules violations, policemen will fine you, and
> that's the end of it. You _can_ appeal to a court, if you feel
> the fine unjust, but it is far, far from criminal prosecution
> (especially if it is _you_ giving the motion).
> (for some violations, you can get bad points for your
> driving license, and DUI is indeed a criminal offence in most
> cases).
criminal matter, not matter what your lords and masters tell you.
>
> I imagine that in uncivilised countries, you could be even
> jailed _before being sentenced by a court_ for something as
> minor as not stopping at the stop sign.
No doubt. But in a civilized country, the police do not get to be
> I imagine that in uncivilised countries, you could be even
> jailed _before being sentenced by a court_ for something as
> minor as not stopping at the stop sign.
judge and jury, as well. It's called the Rule of Law. You should
try it sometime.
>
>>
>> What happens if the policeman tells you to get off the grass,
>> and you refuse? Does he just walk away, or does he handcuff you
>> and haul you off? How is that *not* a criminal matter?
>
> He asks for your identity card and writes you a ticket, which
> will then arrive to your postbox. And you'll have something like
> 30 days to pay. Now, if you refuse (e.g. you forgot it home) to
> show your identity card, he will (politely, uncuffed, unless you
> resist)
Which is to say, it _is_ a criminal matter. Even if your lords an
>>
>> What happens if the policeman tells you to get off the grass,
>> and you refuse? Does he just walk away, or does he handcuff you
>> and haul you off? How is that *not* a criminal matter?
>
> He asks for your identity card and writes you a ticket, which
> will then arrive to your postbox. And you'll have something like
> 30 days to pay. Now, if you refuse (e.g. you forgot it home) to
> show your identity card, he will (politely, uncuffed, unless you
> resist)
masters try to call it something else.
> take you to a police station to determine your identity.
> There is a law for that, you know... refusing to reveal your
> identity is a misdemeanor (I guess). You might be a foreign
> terr^Willegal immigrant, after all.
German or Russian accent) is widely known as a euphamism for a
police state.
(Mind you, if you refuse to produce a driver's license when pulled
over in the US, you'll get arrested, as well. But we don't pretend
that's not a criminal matter. There's case law on it from the
Supreme Court, even. If you're not free to go, it's a criminal
matter, and the full Bill of Rights applies.)
>
>>>
>>> I've seen systems with more stupid limitations on one side and
>>> a gaping hole on the other side.
>>
>> And? If it's not your system, it's wrong to mess with it.
>
> Yes, I agree.
> But is each 'wrong' a criminal offence?
Only the ones defined by law as criminal offenses. And unauthorized
>>>
>>> I've seen systems with more stupid limitations on one side and
>>> a gaping hole on the other side.
>>
>> And? If it's not your system, it's wrong to mess with it.
>
> Yes, I agree.
> But is each 'wrong' a criminal offence?
computer access is defined by law as a criminal offense.
> It is wrong to shout at your wife, but should you be handcuffed
> and hauled away for this? Yes, you probably think you should.
offense. And if you think that "shouting at your wife" cannot,
under any circumstances, be worthy of criminal prosecution, then
you're either woefully naive, or a wife beater. Or, I suppose,
both.
>
>>> committing a criminal offence by making a deliberate,
>>> conscious act to do something that they _clearly_ have
>>> prohibited?
>>
>> Arguably, yes. If you use it to, say, stalk your ex-girlfriend,
>> it'll probably be prosecuted as such, too.
>>
>
> And if I don't? You are mixing two different things up.
Not in the least. Both are arguably criminal offenses that are
>>> committing a criminal offence by making a deliberate,
>>> conscious act to do something that they _clearly_ have
>>> prohibited?
>>
>> Arguably, yes. If you use it to, say, stalk your ex-girlfriend,
>> it'll probably be prosecuted as such, too.
>>
>
> And if I don't? You are mixing two different things up.
extremely unlikely to be prosecuted as such unless there is some
measurable harm beyond the act in question.
>
>>> (i.e.
>>> using the lift). And, if the locking mechanism happens to be
>>> operated by a microprocessor, is it an unauthorized computer
>>> access? Did I just publicly confess and will I be arrested at
>>> the border if I ever visit the USA? Oh my.
>>
>> Since you didn't commit a crime _in_ the US, why would you be
>> arrested if you visit the US?
>>>
>
> Remember Sklyarov?
Who was acquitted, much to the embarassment of the federal
>>> (i.e.
>>> using the lift). And, if the locking mechanism happens to be
>>> operated by a microprocessor, is it an unauthorized computer
>>> access? Did I just publicly confess and will I be arrested at
>>> the border if I ever visit the USA? Oh my.
>>
>> Since you didn't commit a crime _in_ the US, why would you be
>> arrested if you visit the US?
>>>
>
> Remember Sklyarov?
prosecturos, mostly on the grounds that he hadn't done anything
illegal under US law *in* the US (and, in fact, what he did was
expliclitly legal in Russia at the time).
>
>>
>>> I do not care - their library,
>>> their rules, their user complaining about the policy. It is
>>> just a creepy thought that this is a *criminal* offence.
>>> Reminds me of some laws from the era of the Communist Party.
>>>
>> Then you wouldn't minnd at all, me visiting you in the middle
>> of the night, just to watch you sleep, eh? Cuz if you do, then,
>> by your own admission, you've a communist.
>
> I fail to follow your logic. Now you've made a complete shortcut
> from... I do not know where.. to... I do not know where.
>
Your inability to see simple comparisons between similiar scenarios
>>
>>> I do not care - their library,
>>> their rules, their user complaining about the policy. It is
>>> just a creepy thought that this is a *criminal* offence.
>>> Reminds me of some laws from the era of the Communist Party.
>>>
>> Then you wouldn't minnd at all, me visiting you in the middle
>> of the night, just to watch you sleep, eh? Cuz if you do, then,
>> by your own admission, you've a communist.
>
> I fail to follow your logic. Now you've made a complete shortcut
> from... I do not know where.. to... I do not know where.
>
is your problem. If it's defined as a criminal offense, it's a
criminal offense. If you don't like the law, write your
congresscritter and demand they change it. Pretending the law says
something other than what it says makes you look stupid.
--
Terry Austin//
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 6:26:49 PM6/14/12
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jgharston <j...@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:1b39daf5-250a-4da6-
9fe8-340...@6g2000vbv.googlegroups.com:
There's this *amazing* new invention called the "laptop." It's just
like a computer, only *portable*! My local library has RJ-45 jacks
all over the place for free internet access. I suspect they have
certain ports blocked, like 25, to prevent spammers from setting up
shopt, but I suspect that the NNTP port isn't.
And if that's not sufficient, then there's this even *more* amazing
device called the "smart phone," which is like a laptop, only
smaller, and it _doesn't need an independent internet connection_
that belogns to someone else.
But all this requires money, which, in turn, requires having a, you
know, job (another amzing invention).
--
Terry Austin
9fe8-340...@6g2000vbv.googlegroups.com:
like a computer, only *portable*! My local library has RJ-45 jacks
all over the place for free internet access. I suspect they have
certain ports blocked, like 25, to prevent spammers from setting up
shopt, but I suspect that the NNTP port isn't.
And if that's not sufficient, then there's this even *more* amazing
device called the "smart phone," which is like a laptop, only
smaller, and it _doesn't need an independent internet connection_
that belogns to someone else.
But all this requires money, which, in turn, requires having a, you
know, job (another amzing invention).
--
Terry Austin
Shawn Wilson
Jun 14, 2012, 5:31:37 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 14, 2:10 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
nailed for it. Take your lumps and get on with your life.
Or, frankly, you can be an ass about it. This is usenet, no one cares
about you.
<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since I wasn't talking about trying to run a program and getting a
> "no you can't" being criminal
Actually, you were. You were talking out of your ass, and you got
> Since I wasn't talking about trying to run a program and getting a
> "no you can't" being criminal
nailed for it. Take your lumps and get on with your life.
Or, frankly, you can be an ass about it. This is usenet, no one cares
about you.
Keith F. Lynch
Jun 14, 2012, 7:04:49 PM6/14/12
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Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, you were. You were talking out of your ass, ...
Please don't feed the trolls.
--
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
> Actually, you were. You were talking out of your ass, ...
Please don't feed the trolls.
--
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Keith F. Lynch
Jun 14, 2012, 7:23:10 PM6/14/12
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<garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
> Have you ever been to the Europe?
> For minor traffic rules violations, policemen will fine you, and
> that's the end of it. You _can_ appeal to a court, if you feel
> fthe ine unjust, but it is far, far from criminal prosecution
> Have you ever been to the Europe?
> For minor traffic rules violations, policemen will fine you, and
> that's the end of it. You _can_ appeal to a court, if you feel
> (especially if it is _you_ giving the motion).
It's the same in the US. But it *is* a criminal prosecution. Paying
the fine means you're pleading guilty. You don't appeal it in court,
you take it to trial in court. (If you lose the trial, you can then
appeal.) Usually at a trial you argue not that the law was unjust,
but that you didn't break it. Or that you did break it but there were
mitigating circumstances (e.g. you ran a red light because a homicidal
maniac was chasing you).
> (for some violations, you can get bad points for your driving
> license, and DUI is indeed a criminal offence in most cases).
> He asks for your identity card and writes you a ticket, which will
> then arrive to your postbox.
the requirement to identify yourself when a policeman asks you who
you are is satisfied by your merely stating your name. There is no
requirement to carry any sort of identity card. Plenty of Americans,
especially people who don't drive, don't travel overseas, and aren't
in the military, don't even have any identity card.
> ... refusing to reveal your identity is a misdemeanor (I guess).
others, it's not a crime at all, but the police will arrest you until
they're able to determine who you are and then (assuming there isn't
a warrant for you) will let you go without charges.
> You might be a foreign terr^Willegal immigrant, after all.
country? Here in the US, it's widely believed that if not for the
Border Patrol everyone on the planet would promptly sneak into the US.
I'm skeptical.
> But is each 'wrong' a criminal offence?
friend of mine let a teenager who claimed her father was abusing her
and that she had nowhere to go spend one day at his place. She had to
cross a state line to do so. He spent eight years in a federal prison
for that.
Keith F. Lynch
Jun 14, 2012, 7:24:56 PM6/14/12
to
Charles Bishop <ctbi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> michael...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Judging by how quiet rasw gets when GG is cut off, I'm guessing
>> that north of 80% of the posters here not only read from, but post
>> through, it.
> Naw, it's because, in solidarity with our brethern and sistern, we
> refuse to post until their access is restored.
I thought plenty of people killfile all posts from Google Groups.
>> Judging by how quiet rasw gets when GG is cut off, I'm guessing
>> that north of 80% of the posters here not only read from, but post
>> through, it.
> Naw, it's because, in solidarity with our brethern and sistern, we
> refuse to post until their access is restored.
Keith F. Lynch
Jun 14, 2012, 7:30:00 PM6/14/12
to
<garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
> I do not need to "get over it'. I do not care - their library,
him to do what he wants to. In my experience, librarians, despite
technically being government employees, are mostly reasonable people.
P.S. The standard term in English is "Orwellian," not "1984ish."
> I do not need to "get over it'. I do not care - their library,
> their rules, their user complaining about the policy. It is just
> a creepy thought that this is a *criminal* offence. Reminds me of
> some laws from the era of the Communist Party.
I wonder if Shawn has tried simply asking the librarians to allow
> a creepy thought that this is a *criminal* offence. Reminds me of
> some laws from the era of the Communist Party.
him to do what he wants to. In my experience, librarians, despite
technically being government employees, are mostly reasonable people.
P.S. The standard term in English is "Orwellian," not "1984ish."
Magewolf
Jun 14, 2012, 7:32:08 PM6/14/12
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it is a deal breaker if any actual spam is on the menu with the rat.
Keith F. Lynch
Jun 14, 2012, 7:37:19 PM6/14/12
to
Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
> new Google Groups.
What hardware and software is the new Google Groups incompatible with
> I am preparing to swich to AIOE as my computer will not support the
> new Google Groups.
that the old Google Groups was not? Thanks.
I'm of the opinion that an improvement should mean something is
comptable with more stuff, not with less.
In other bizarre incompatibility news, an Australian firm is imposing
a surcharge on IE7 users.
"It's a constant source of frustration for our web guys and we're sick
of burning cash on a browser that hit the market nearly six years ago.
It goes against everything Kogan stands for."
http://www.techguide.com.au/menu-news-by-categories/internet/1162-kogan-imposes-worlds-first-internet-explorer-7-tax
Kurt Busiek
Jun 14, 2012, 7:46:39 PM6/14/12
to
On 2012-06-14 23:32:08 +0000, Magewolf <Mage...@removenc.rr.com> said:
> On 6/14/2012 4:53 PM, Kurt Busiek wrote:
>> On 2012-06-14 20:28:15 +0000, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 3:04 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:45:30 -0700, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>>>>
>>>>> Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
>>>>> a viable business?
>>>>
>>>> St. Paul.
>>>
>>> An interesting choice. I assume you mean the capital city of
>>> Minnesota, rather than one of the Pribilof Islands in the Bering Sea.
>>> No doubt you are aware that St. Paul is located about 100 miles north
>>> of the SPAM Museum, and was formerly called Pig's Eye after a
>>> notorious local saloonkeeper. However, I believe the neighboring town
>>> of Minneapolis has more low-class Vikings.
>>
>> They can drive over. Then they can go the fuck home and bother other
>> people after closing time.
>>
> On 6/14/2012 4:53 PM, Kurt Busiek wrote:
>> On 2012-06-14 20:28:15 +0000, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 3:04 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:45:30 -0700, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>>>>
>>>>> Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
>>>>> a viable business?
>>>>
>>>> St. Paul.
>>>
>>> An interesting choice. I assume you mean the capital city of
>>> Minnesota, rather than one of the Pribilof Islands in the Bering Sea.
>>> No doubt you are aware that St. Paul is located about 100 miles north
>>> of the SPAM Museum, and was formerly called Pig's Eye after a
>>> notorious local saloonkeeper. However, I believe the neighboring town
>>> of Minneapolis has more low-class Vikings.
>>
>> They can drive over. Then they can go the fuck home and bother other
>> people after closing time.
>>
> I hope the Spamfest bit is just about all the talking going on because
> it is a deal breaker if any actual spam is on the menu with the rat.
You're banned for life.
> it is a deal breaker if any actual spam is on the menu with the rat.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 7:52:28 PM6/14/12
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Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7a8f73a7-ac5c-4c7b...@mi5g2000pbc.googlegroups.
com:
> On Jun 14, 2:10 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
> <tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Since I wasn't talking about trying to run a program and
>> getting a "no you can't" being criminal
>
>
> Actually, you were.
> You were talking out of your ass, and you
> got nailed for it. Take your lumps and get on with your life.
you say soemthing retarded and get called out for it.
>
> Or, frankly, you can be an ass about it. This is usenet, no one
> cares about you.
>
Then why do you keep trying to lie your way out of responsibility for
> Or, frankly, you can be an ass about it. This is usenet, no one
> cares about you.
>
your own words? Clearly, you care a *lot* about me.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 7:56:27 PM6/14/12
to
"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote in news:jrdqmh$lsj$1
@reader1.panix.com:
> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually, you were. You were talking out of your ass, ...
>
> Please don't feed the trolls.
You, responding to Shawn, are a good one to point fingers.
@reader1.panix.com:
> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually, you were. You were talking out of your ass, ...
>
> Please don't feed the trolls.
Keith F. Lynch
Jun 14, 2012, 7:58:12 PM6/14/12
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Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> Nope.
Then how is it a benefit of Google Groups? You could use that or any
other bogus address on any Usenet server.
> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com
>>> before Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the
>>> spam problem.
>> Does that address still work?
>>> Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com
>>> before Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the
>>> spam problem.
> Nope.
Then how is it a benefit of Google Groups? You could use that or any
other bogus address on any Usenet server.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 14, 2012, 7:59:00 PM6/14/12
to
"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote in
news:jrds5o$54u$3...@reader1.panix.com:
> <garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
>> I do not need to "get over it'. I do not care - their library,
>> their rules, their user complaining about the policy. It is
>> just a creepy thought that this is a *criminal* offence.
>> Reminds me of some laws from the era of the Communist Party.
>
> I wonder if Shawn has tried simply asking the librarians to
> allow him to do what he wants to. In my experience, librarians,
> despite technically being government employees, are mostly
> reasonable people.
Librarians are, sure. Shawn, of course, is neither reasonable nor
people, by any sane definition of either term.
news:jrds5o$54u$3...@reader1.panix.com:
> <garabik-ne...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
>> I do not need to "get over it'. I do not care - their library,
>> their rules, their user complaining about the policy. It is
>> just a creepy thought that this is a *criminal* offence.
>> Reminds me of some laws from the era of the Communist Party.
>
> I wonder if Shawn has tried simply asking the librarians to
> allow him to do what he wants to. In my experience, librarians,
> despite technically being government employees, are mostly
> reasonable people.
people, by any sane definition of either term.
David Friedman
Jun 14, 2012, 8:55:22 PM6/14/12
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In article <jrdkev$f0l$2...@dont-email.me>,
being described and where it comes from, or are you merely expressing
your own prejudice?
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_
mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
> >A contractual violation would. Unauthorized comptuer access,
> >colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as "hacking",
> >however, is a federal crime.
>
> I see. Kind of like wearing a tee-shirt with the wrong number on it.
> Probably made a Federal crime by the same people who prefess to hate
> the intrusion of the Federal government into areas that don't concern
> it according to <genuflect> Original Intent.
Could you fill out that "probably?" Do you know what the legal rule is
> >A contractual violation would. Unauthorized comptuer access,
> >colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as "hacking",
> >however, is a federal crime.
>
> I see. Kind of like wearing a tee-shirt with the wrong number on it.
> Probably made a Federal crime by the same people who prefess to hate
> the intrusion of the Federal government into areas that don't concern
> it according to <genuflect> Original Intent.
being described and where it comes from, or are you merely expressing
your own prejudice?
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_
Philip Chee
Jun 14, 2012, 9:27:23 PM6/14/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:13:25 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in
> news:ddfr-CAB033.1...@news.giganews.com:
> so no, that wont' work. The library ahs just shut off all executables
> that aren't specifically allowed. Not that uncommon on publicly
> accessible computers, really. If you think about how stupid the
> public is (you know, people like Shawn), it's obvious why.
I wonder if:
move thunderbird.exe notepad.exe
would work.
Phil
--
Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my>, <phili...@gmail.com>
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org
Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief,
oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.
> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in
> news:ddfr-CAB033.1...@news.giganews.com:
>
>> In article
>> <886aff99-1337-4494...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.co
>> m>,
>> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said,
>>> the computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the
>>> installer (or anything else).
>>
>> You could install it using some other computer--surely you have
>> friends with computers. If you do, and then plug the thumb drive
>> in at the library, will the computer refuse to run the program
>> from the drive?
>>
> Xnews won't run, and it doesn't require any installation whatseover,
>> In article
>> <886aff99-1337-4494...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.co
>> m>,
>> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thunderbird can't be installed on my thumb drive. Like I said,
>>> the computers are locked down. They simply refuse to run the
>>> installer (or anything else).
>>
>> You could install it using some other computer--surely you have
>> friends with computers. If you do, and then plug the thumb drive
>> in at the library, will the computer refuse to run the program
>> from the drive?
>>
> so no, that wont' work. The library ahs just shut off all executables
> that aren't specifically allowed. Not that uncommon on publicly
> accessible computers, really. If you think about how stupid the
> public is (you know, people like Shawn), it's obvious why.
I wonder if:
move thunderbird.exe notepad.exe
would work.
Phil
--
Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my>, <phili...@gmail.com>
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org
Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief,
oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.
Cryptoengineer
Jun 14, 2012, 10:03:29 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 14, 7:24 pm, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> Charles Bishop <ctbis...@earthlink.net> wrote:
pt
> Charles Bishop <ctbis...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > michael.stem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Judging by how quiet rasw gets when GG is cut off, I'm guessing
> >> that north of 80% of the posters here not only read from, but post
> >> through, it.
> > Naw, it's because, in solidarity with our brethern and sistern, we
> > refuse to post until their access is restored.
>
> I thought plenty of people killfile all posts from Google Groups.
Keith thinks wrong.
> >> Judging by how quiet rasw gets when GG is cut off, I'm guessing
> >> that north of 80% of the posters here not only read from, but post
> >> through, it.
> > Naw, it's because, in solidarity with our brethern and sistern, we
> > refuse to post until their access is restored.
>
> I thought plenty of people killfile all posts from Google Groups.
pt
Shawn Wilson
Jun 14, 2012, 11:01:43 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 14, 6:27 pm, Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
> I wonder if:
> move thunderbird.exe notepad.exe
> would work.
Not on these. As I said, thoroughly locked down. No Notepad either.
> I wonder if:
> move thunderbird.exe notepad.exe
> would work.
Internet Explorer (8), Windows Media Player (11)*, MS Office (2003)
(Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Publisher), Adobe Reader (X). Full Stop.
*before they upgraded Media Player was full function. But they
'upgraded' and nerfed the FUCK out of it. Damn near useless now. I
need those fucking functions too, but they... Goddamn it.
Doug Wickström
Jun 15, 2012, 2:36:42 AM6/15/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:28:15 -0700 (PDT), Butch Malahide
<fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 14, 3:04 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
>> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:45:30 -0700, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>>
>> > Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
>> > a viable business?
>>
>> St. Paul.
>
>An interesting choice. I assume you mean the capital city of
>Minnesota, rather than one of the Pribilof Islands in the Bering Sea.
>No doubt you are aware that St. Paul is located about 100 miles north
>of the SPAM Museum, and was formerly called Pig's Eye after a
>notorious local saloonkeeper. However, I believe the neighboring town
>of Minneapolis has more low-class Vikings. You will find a lot of low-
<fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 14, 3:04 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
>> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:45:30 -0700, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>>
>> > Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
>> > a viable business?
>>
>> St. Paul.
>
>An interesting choice. I assume you mean the capital city of
>Minnesota, rather than one of the Pribilof Islands in the Bering Sea.
>No doubt you are aware that St. Paul is located about 100 miles north
>of the SPAM Museum, and was formerly called Pig's Eye after a
>notorious local saloonkeeper. However, I believe the neighboring town
>class Irishmen in St. Paul.
The low-class Vikings (the purple ones) actually reside in Eden
Prairie. They only play in Minneapolis.
--
Doug Wickström
Doug Wickström
Jun 15, 2012, 2:42:44 AM6/15/12
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Me, for one. I then white list individual posters if they seem
interesting.
--
Doug Wickström
rincewind
Jun 15, 2012, 4:19:24 AM6/15/12
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> Better yet, get a real news service. There are free news servers, and
> usenet clients that don't need to be isntalled to run correctly.
Such as?
Brian M. Scott
Jun 15, 2012, 4:57:16 AM6/15/12
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:34:43 -0500, Konrad Gaertner
<kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote in
<news:4FD8EB53...@tx.rr.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.fandom:
> Kevrob wrote:
>> 2 great benefits of GG:
[...]
>> 2.) The searchable archive isn't perfect, but I have
>> frequently found info there that I haven't saved.
> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever
> seen. (I never saw DejaNews.)
The DN archive wasn't bad; far from perfect, but quite
usable, and far, far better than the GG archive has been in
years.
Brian
<kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote in
<news:4FD8EB53...@tx.rr.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.fandom:
> Kevrob wrote:
>> 2 great benefits of GG:
[...]
>> 2.) The searchable archive isn't perfect, but I have
>> frequently found info there that I haven't saved.
> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever
> seen. (I never saw DejaNews.)
The DN archive wasn't bad; far from perfect, but quite
usable, and far, far better than the GG archive has been in
years.
Brian
Philip Chee
Jun 15, 2012, 7:43:49 AM6/15/12
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like: 1, 2, plenty.
Cryptoengineer
Jun 15, 2012, 8:48:14 AM6/15/12
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That's just crazy.
I realize they're pretty much dead in developed countries, but there
might still be some 'Internet Cafe's' in your town. You might try
searching for them using the IE8, provided they haven't firewalled off
search engines too.
pt
David Loewe, Jr.
Jun 15, 2012, 10:55:01 AM6/15/12
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:42:44, Doug Wickström <nims...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:03:29, Cryptoengineer
Not me. I don't killfile domains.
--
"On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they turn back time
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime."
Al Stewart & Peter Wood
wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:03:29, Cryptoengineer
--
"On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they turn back time
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime."
Al Stewart & Peter Wood
David V. Loewe, Jr
Jun 15, 2012, 10:55:55 AM6/15/12
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:43:49, Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:03:29, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 7:24 pm, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>> I thought plenty of people killfile all posts from Google Groups.
>>
>> Keith thinks wrong.
>
>Well it all depends on how Keith defines "plenty". Probably something
>like: 1, 2, plenty.
And, now, I have to clean my monitor...
--
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his deserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all."
- James Graham, Marquis of Montrose
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:03:29, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 7:24 pm, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>> I thought plenty of people killfile all posts from Google Groups.
>>
>> Keith thinks wrong.
>
>Well it all depends on how Keith defines "plenty". Probably something
>like: 1, 2, plenty.
--
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his deserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all."
- James Graham, Marquis of Montrose
David V. Loewe, Jr
Jun 15, 2012, 11:51:55 AM6/15/12
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:36:42, Doug Wickström <nims...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:28:15, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Jun 14, 3:04 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
class...
And I dare you to call Justice Page low-class.
--
"Soldiers, when I give the command to fire, fire straight at my heart.
Wait for the order. It will be my last to you. I protest against my
condemnation. I have fought a hundred battles for France, and not
one against her ... Soldiers, Fire!"
- the Last Words of Michel Ney
wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:28:15, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Jun 14, 3:04 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>> On 2012-06-14 19:48:18 +0000, Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net> said:
>>> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:45:30, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>>>
>>> > Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
>>> > a viable business?
>>>
>>> St. Paul.
>>
>>An interesting choice. I assume you mean the capital city of
>>Minnesota, rather than one of the Pribilof Islands in the Bering Sea.
>>No doubt you are aware that St. Paul is located about 100 miles north
>>of the SPAM Museum, and was formerly called Pig's Eye after a
>>notorious local saloonkeeper. However, I believe the neighboring town
>>of Minneapolis has more low-class Vikings. You will find a lot of low-
>>class Irishmen in St. Paul.
>
>The low-class Vikings (the purple ones) actually reside in Eden
>Prairie. They only play in Minneapolis.
Surely, given the minimum salary in the NFL, those Vikings are high
>>>
>>> >> "Spamfest Rathole" is the name of my new restaurant.
>>>
>>> > Where are you going to find enough low-class Vikings to make that
>>> > a viable business?
>>>
>>> St. Paul.
>>
>>An interesting choice. I assume you mean the capital city of
>>Minnesota, rather than one of the Pribilof Islands in the Bering Sea.
>>No doubt you are aware that St. Paul is located about 100 miles north
>>of the SPAM Museum, and was formerly called Pig's Eye after a
>>notorious local saloonkeeper. However, I believe the neighboring town
>>of Minneapolis has more low-class Vikings. You will find a lot of low-
>>class Irishmen in St. Paul.
>
>The low-class Vikings (the purple ones) actually reside in Eden
>Prairie. They only play in Minneapolis.
class...
And I dare you to call Justice Page low-class.
--
"Soldiers, when I give the command to fire, fire straight at my heart.
Wait for the order. It will be my last to you. I protest against my
condemnation. I have fought a hundred battles for France, and not
one against her ... Soldiers, Fire!"
- the Last Words of Michel Ney
David Loewe, Jr.
Jun 15, 2012, 11:53:03 AM6/15/12
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latter a number of times.
--
"Nothing shocks me. I'm a scientist."
- Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 15, 2012, 12:18:16 PM6/15/12
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David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in
news:ddfr-1FA7D0.2...@news.giganews.com:
> In article <jrdkev$f0l$2...@dont-email.me>,
> mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) wrote:
>
>> >A contractual violation would. Unauthorized comptuer access,
>> >colloquially (and not very accurately) referred to as
>> >"hacking", however, is a federal crime.
>>
>> I see. Kind of like wearing a tee-shirt with the wrong number
>> on it. Probably made a Federal crime by the same people who
>> prefess to hate the intrusion of the Federal government into
>> areas that don't concern it according to <genuflect> Original
>> Intent.
>
> Could you fill out that "probably?" Do you know what the legal
> rule is being described and where it comes from, or are you
> merely expressing your own prejudice?
>
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 15, 2012, 12:20:40 PM6/15/12
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Shawn Wilson <ikono...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:528f872c-6181-4ac1...@f9g2000pbd.googlegroups.c
om:
But then, at that point, you would clearly be deliberately,
consciously bypassing what you *know* to be a deliberate security
policy, and if you were in the US, clearly in to criminal terrority.
(And you've already admitted that you've tried this already.)
No respect whatsoever for other people's property.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Jun 15, 2012, 12:26:53 PM6/15/12
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Kevrob
Jun 15, 2012, 1:00:42 PM6/15/12
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On Jun 14, 7:58 pm, "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> >> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>> Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com
> >>> before Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the
> >>> spam problem.
> >> Does that address still work?
> > Nope.
>
> Then how is it a benefit of Google Groups? You could use that or any
> other bogus address on any Usenet server.
>
It isn't a unique advantage, but Catherine was having trouble using GG
> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> >> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>> Since I use the long-defunct email address I got from Deja.com
> >>> before Google bought that operation's Usenet archive, I avoid the
> >>> spam problem.
> >> Does that address still work?
> > Nope.
>
> Then how is it a benefit of Google Groups? You could use that or any
> other bogus address on any Usenet server.
>
because of spamming to the email address she posted from. I was just
recounting how I avoided the problem.
I haven't had an internet account for some time, due to financial
considerations. When I've saved up I may get a suitable laptop, and,
since wiring my residence is problematic, I may get a WiFi device from
one of the cellphone companies.
Kevin
ppint. at pplay
Jun 15, 2012, 5:50:08 AM6/15/12
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- hi; in article, <jrdt4v$9ai$1...@dont-email.me>,
ku...@busiek.com "Kurt Busiek" decreed:
> for life.
- yes, being banned from its consumption would tend to extend
and generally improve the quality of one's life...
- if, that is, one were in the habit of partaking of the foul
stuff in the first place.
- love, a ppint. reflecting upon the fine distinction between
the meanings of "edible" and "eatable"
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"The Dinner was loose again."
- _Chanur's Homecoming_, C. J. Cherryh, 1987
Phantasia, Daw & Methuen Books
ku...@busiek.com "Kurt Busiek" decreed:
> <Mage...@removenc.rr.com> said:
>
>>I hope the Spamfest bit is just about all the talking going on because
>>it is a deal breaker if any actual spam is on the menu with the rat.
>
>You're banned
- from consumption of spam?
>
>>I hope the Spamfest bit is just about all the talking going on because
>>it is a deal breaker if any actual spam is on the menu with the rat.
>
>You're banned
> for life.
- yes, being banned from its consumption would tend to extend
and generally improve the quality of one's life...
- if, that is, one were in the habit of partaking of the foul
stuff in the first place.
- love, a ppint. reflecting upon the fine distinction between
the meanings of "edible" and "eatable"
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"The Dinner was loose again."
- _Chanur's Homecoming_, C. J. Cherryh, 1987
Phantasia, Daw & Methuen Books
David DeLaney
Jun 15, 2012, 4:03:56 PM6/15/12
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>> It's a HORRIBLE archive, clearly the the worst I've ever
>> seen. (I never saw DejaNews.)
>
>The DN archive wasn't bad; far from perfect, but quite
>usable, and far, far better than the GG archive has been in years.
Plus which, if enough people made noises about something, they did try to
>> seen. (I never saw DejaNews.)
>
>The DN archive wasn't bad; far from perfect, but quite
>usable, and far, far better than the GG archive has been in years.
adjust it; they knew what real newsreaders were and how they worked. Google
apparently has never heard of such a thing.
Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Quadibloc
Jun 15, 2012, 3:42:00 PM6/15/12
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On Jun 14, 11:00 am, Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Read for comprehension, please. I was discussing deficiencies in the
> *new* GG. You are describing long-familiar options in the *old* GG.
Ah. I thought you meant that the old GG had lost those options, as a
result of the effort to force people to switch.
John Savard
> Read for comprehension, please. I was discussing deficiencies in the
> *new* GG. You are describing long-familiar options in the *old* GG.
Ah. I thought you meant that the old GG had lost those options, as a
result of the effort to force people to switch.
John Savard
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