More media (but not biases)
Dave Weingart
final Survivor?
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Loren MacGregor
>
> Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
> final Survivor?
When I was with Lauryn before and after her surgery yesterday, -all-
of the hospital staff (with the exception of Lauryn's physician)
uniformly stated that it was unbelievable that neither of us had
ever watched an episode, and had no opinions about the show other
than that we didn't watch it, and had no desire to do so.
-- LJM
Brenda
Dave Weingart wrote:
> Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
> final Survivor?
> --
Look at your calendar. It's August, the Silly Season. If it were not this,
some other idiocy would be dominating the airwaves. This too shall pass.
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Dorothy J Heydt
Dave Weingart <phyd...@liii.com> wrote:
>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>final Survivor?
On the radio station I listen to in the morning, whose primary
business is broadcasting classical music, but which does brief
news/weather/traffic bulletins in the commute hours, the two
announcers have been talking Survivor for weeks. The main
announcer (the one who gets to announce the music selections),
who is also the station manager, was hooked on the series and
kept staying up way too late to watch it (way too late for a guy
who has a two-hour commute and has to start work at 6 am).
The other announcer, who does the news/weather/traffic, had never
seen it. Week after week, he kept telling her she really ought
to tune in and watch it. Week after week, she kept saying,
"Yeah, I really ought to, just to see what the excitement is
about," and week after week she never did.
Last night, as mentioned, was the final episode, and yesterday
morning he was really urging her to see the thing, this was her
last chance, etc. etc.
This morning, he was full of the news and running on too much
caffeine, and she-- still hadn't watched it. But she got to
announce it on the news bulletin--at which point I turned down
the volume, so I still don't know or care.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
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Dorothy J Heydt
Loren MacGregor <churn...@home.com> wrote:
>
>When I was with Lauryn before and after her surgery yesterday, -all-
>of the hospital staff (with the exception of Lauryn's physician)
>uniformly stated that it was unbelievable that neither of us had
>ever watched an episode, and had no opinions about the show other
>than that we didn't watch it, and had no desire to do so.
You and she are, of course, right on. I trust Lauryn is
recovering nicely?
Theresa Wojtasiewicz
>
> Dave Weingart wrote:
>
> > Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
> > final Survivor?
>
> Look at your calendar. It's August, the Silly Season. If it were not this,
> some other idiocy would be dominating the airwaves. This too shall pass.
>
> Brenda
This whole silly Survivor voyeur tv thing makes me wonder - hasn't this
been covered in sfnal books, somewhere? When this idiotic show came on,
for some reason the first thing that came to mind was THE RUNNING MAN.
Any thoughts?
Martin Wisse
>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>final Survivor?
Context people. Survivor of what?
Martin Wisse
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Theresa Wojtasiewicz <tw...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Brenda wrote:
>>
>> Dave Weingart wrote:
>>
>> > Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>> > final Survivor?
>>
>> Look at your calendar. It's August, the Silly Season. If it were not this,
>> some other idiocy would be dominating the airwaves. This too shall pass.
>>
>> Brenda
>
>This whole silly Survivor voyeur tv thing makes me wonder - hasn't this
>been covered in sfnal books, somewhere? When this idiotic show came on,
>for some reason the first thing that came to mind was THE RUNNING MAN.
>Any thoughts?
There's an Anderson which comes to mind...
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> Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
> final Survivor?
I was somewhat interested in the proceedings of the show and watched the
final episode (one of the two I ever sat down for), and I still find the
coverage a bit much. But as someone else said, it is the Silly Season.
This Too Shall Pass.
--
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Dorothy J Heydt
Martin Wisse <mwi...@ad-astra.demon.nl> wrote:
>On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>
>>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>>final Survivor?
>
US television program, whereby a number of people were put on a
desert island (I don't know if a real one or a virtual one in the
form of a building with no access to the outside world
permitted).
They had to live in this isolated place for some months. Every
week they would take a vote on who was Out. That person would
leave the desert island, and the rest would stay.
Last night, they were down to I don't know how few people, and
they voted on who would be the last to leave the island (and,
presumably, turn out the lights) and win a million dollars, I
think that was the amount.
Can you tell I have not been watching it?
But a lot of people have been, for reasons that are obscure to
me, and they're talking about doing it again, this time somewhere
in Australia, and after that they're talking about doing it in
the space station.
*yawn*
Kris Jones
>
> On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>
> >Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
> >final Survivor?
>
> Context people. Survivor of what?
Oh, how I wish I didn't already know, how I wish to be blissfully
ignorant of this.
Short version: television show in which a group of people were taken
to a "desert island" to survive (mostly) on their best use of the
natural resources of the island, and each week they all vote to throw
somebody off the island. The last one gets a million dollars.
I was thinking today about the voyeur vs. actor aspects of this
phenomenon. It doesn't matter to me a bit today to know who won, and
I didn't watch the show at all until last night, but the makers were
very good at catching my interest and keeping me hooked to watch the
conclusion. And what they hooked me to watch was the rather stupid
and contrived struggle among people I don't know and didn't care about,
who don't affect my life in any way. My interest in watching the
conclusion was based on the impact this show has had on my involuntary
social group (that is, the people I work with, among whom my peers
seem to have been fascinated by this show). So instead of doing
something interesting myself, I watched a group of strangers do
something that turned out not to be very interesting.
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Morris M. Keesan
>
> Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
> final Survivor?
Only very faintly, and probably somewhat less than I'm bothered
by the amount of coverage and implied importance of any other
"media event" that's of no interest to me. At least, as far as
I've observed, there aren't huge numbers of people in the
audience who are basing large portions of their own feelings
of self-worth on the outcome, as compared with the so-called
"World Series" or the Superbowl, World Cup, or lots of other
"important" sports events that become the top news stories of
their day. I haven't heard of any post-Survivor riots by
drunken revelers celebrating their chosen player's victory.
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Loren Joseph MacGregor
>In article <39A537EF...@home.com>,
>Loren MacGregor <churn...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>When I was with Lauryn before and after her surgery yesterday, -all-
>>of the hospital staff (with the exception of Lauryn's physician)
>>uniformly stated that it was unbelievable that neither of us had
>>ever watched an episode, and had no opinions about the show other
>>than that we didn't watch it, and had no desire to do so.
>You and she are, of course, right on. I trust Lauryn is
>recovering nicely?
The answer, unfortunately, is "yes and no." The surgery went quite well,
I'm glad to say -- but the origin of the intense pain Lauryn has been
having for the last few weeks hasn't been located, so we're looking
forward to a new series of tests and possibly additional exploratories.
Also, she's just about able to walk down to the mailbox and back before
she's exhausted, but I gather this is normal.
She also is complaining that I'm getting more tech toys than she's getting
craft toys, which she doesn't think is fair. I've told her she can have
one of the tape backup drives if she really wants.
-- LJM
Loren Joseph MacGregor
>On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>>final Survivor?
>Context people. Survivor of what?
You have no idea how good it makes me feel to have this question asked.
"Survivor" is a show based (I -think-) on a Dutch original program, where
several people were left on an island for a few weeks, each week voting
off one (or maybe more, I don't know) people, until only one person was
left. This was supposed to be wonderful, reality-based programming.
I am -very- happy to know that some people, at least, have never even
heard of it.
I am less pleased to know that I know a fair amount about it; as Dave
pointed out, in the U.S., the story of "Survivor" is apparently
considered, incorrectly, to be news.
-- LJM
Tom Galloway
>desert island (I don't know if a real one or a virtual one in the
>form of a building with no access to the outside world permitted).
First done by a European country I'm forgetting; it's another of those
wacky game show imports to the US like Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?.
(As a side note, in the last week or so there was a question on WWTBAM-US
about the US Survivor show. The contestant hadn't seen the show, so she
used the phone-a-friend lifeline...to someone who also hadn't seen the
show. Several jokes about comments about how they'd found the only two
people who hadn't been watching). Real desert island in the South Pacific.
The building with no outside world access is a different, Swedish, import
show called Big Brother. BB hasn't been doing anywhere near as well in
the US as Survivor, save for when they started putting the key BB showing
of the week on right after the Survivor episodes.
>They had to live in this isolated place for some months. Every
>week they would take a vote on who was Out. That person would
>leave the desert island, and the rest would stay.
39 days in total, vote taken every three days. The show itself was shown
over 13 weeks.
>Last night, they were down to I don't know how few people, and
>they voted on who would be the last to leave the island (and,
>presumably, turn out the lights) and win a million dollars, I
>think that was the amount.
4 people, with the winner getting a million.
Believe it or not, I've also not been watching the show. But this is
exactly the sort of thing I know I need to be familiar with due to wanting
to get on Millionaire and Jeopardy! once my game show eligibility returns
in mid-November, and they're likely to ask such questions. So I read the
stories in the news to have the trivia knowledge down.
Not to mention that I've got a killer parody idea I'm working on writing up
and sending out.
tyg t...@netcom.com
Alison Hopkins
Loren Joseph MacGregor wrote in message <8o4303$lf8$3...@news.efn.org>...
>I am less pleased to know that I know a fair amount about it; as Dave
>pointed out, in the U.S., the story of "Survivor" is apparently
>considered, incorrectly, to be news.
>
It made ours, too.
Ali
Martin Wisse
wrote:
>In article <39aa7041....@news.demon.nl>,
>Martin Wisse <mwi...@ad-astra.demon.nl> wrote:
>>On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>>
>>>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>>>final Survivor?
>>
>>Context people. Survivor of what?
>
>US television program, whereby a number of people were put on a
>desert island (I don't know if a real one or a virtual one in the
>form of a building with no access to the outside world
>permitted).
Oh, _nice_. It seems that this is also going to be shown on Dutch
televison, judging by the ad i saw tonight...
As if it wasn't bad enough we had to export Big Brother to the UK....
(Which is the show here they put <foo> people in a house and have the
audience vote on who has to leave after a certain amount of time, being
watched by cameras all the time and not being able to leave, of course.)
Martin Wisse
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>
> Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
> final Survivor?
I was just thinking today how thoughtless it was of that jet to
crash and take a little of the front page away from this dumbass TV
show.
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>
> On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>
> >Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
> >final Survivor?
>
Ah, thank you so much, Martin, for that reminder of a saner world
just out of my reach. I wish I could ask that same question.
Geri Sullivan
>
> In rec.arts.sf.fandom, Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
> >I trust Lauryn is
> >recovering nicely?
>
> The answer, unfortunately, is "yes and no." The surgery went quite well,
> I'm glad to say -- but the origin of the intense pain Lauryn has been
> having for the last few weeks hasn't been located, so we're looking
> forward to a new series of tests and possibly additional exploratories.
> Also, she's just about able to walk down to the mailbox and back before
> she's exhausted, but I gather this is normal.
>
> She also is complaining that I'm getting more tech toys than she's getting
> craft toys, which she doesn't think is fair. I've told her she can have
> one of the tape backup drives if she really wants.
Which brings on visions of tape backup drives being adapted to hold a
crafter's ribbon collection....
Fingers crossed and more for a clear answer on the medical front soon!
And for the pain to go away even sooner.
Geri
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Vicki Rosenzweig
22:29:26 GMT:
>On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:19:30 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <39aa7041....@news.demon.nl>,
>>Martin Wisse <mwi...@ad-astra.demon.nl> wrote:
>>>On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>>>>final Survivor?
>>>
>>>Context people. Survivor of what?
>>
>>US television program, whereby a number of people were put on a
>>desert island (I don't know if a real one or a virtual one in the
>>form of a building with no access to the outside world
>>permitted).
>
>
>Oh, _nice_. It seems that this is also going to be shown on Dutch
>televison, judging by the ad i saw tonight...
>
>As if it wasn't bad enough we had to export Big Brother to the UK....
>
>(Which is the show here they put <foo> people in a house and have the
>audience vote on who has to leave after a certain amount of time, being
>watched by cameras all the time and not being able to leave, of course.)
>
There's an article on this in Salon, specifically about how the
television version is edited to produce what the producers think
are good stories, with blithe disregard of such minor points as
which of two incidents occurred first. No big deal, of course,
except that they're promoting it as "reality" rather than fiction.
http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/2000/08/22/bb_web/index.html
ObSF: The article is by a Nebula-award-winning writer.
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Vicki Rosenzweig
>Dave Weingart wrote:
>>
>> Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>> final Survivor?
>
>I was just thinking today how thoughtless it was of that jet to
>crash and take a little of the front page away from this dumbass TV
>show.
Of course it was thoughtless. Jets that are thinking clearly don't crash.
Mike Kozlowski
Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org> wrote:
>There's an article on this in Salon, specifically about how the
>television version is edited to produce what the producers think
>are good stories, with blithe disregard of such minor points as
>which of two incidents occurred first. No big deal, of course,
>except that they're promoting it as "reality" rather than fiction.
They did (do) the same thing on other reality TV shows -- I remember that
during one of the seasons of "The Real World", one of the characters (um,
actors?) dyed his hair halfway through the season, which led to his hair
color occasionally changing in the middle of what appeared to be a single
scene. Rather disconcerting.
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Ray Radlein
>
["Survivor"]
> They had to live in this isolated place for some months. Every
> week they would take a vote on who was Out. That person would
> leave the desert island, and the rest would stay.
> Can you tell I have not been watching it?
>
> But a lot of people have been, for reasons that are obscure to
> me, and they're talking about doing it again, this time somewhere
> in Australia, and after that they're talking about doing it in
> the space station.
Which should make the whole process of being voted off a little more
interesting.
- Ray R.
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>
> Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who
> was the final Survivor?
Oddly enough, while it was, indeed, mentioned on every news site I
visited (and covered on Headline News), it was not the lead story on
any of them.
Go figure.
Lenny Bailes
>
> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >
>
> ["Survivor"]
>
> > They had to live in this isolated place for some months. Every
> > week they would take a vote on who was Out. That person would
> > leave the desert island, and the rest would stay.
>
> > Can you tell I have not been watching it?
> >
> > But a lot of people have been, for reasons that are obscure to
> > me, and they're talking about doing it again, this time somewhere
> > in Australia, and after that they're talking about doing it in
> > the space station.
>
> Which should make the whole process of being voted off a little more
> interesting.
>
I think we should stage a Brandonized recreation of it at Corflu: 12 Nebula
nominees locked up in the SFWA suite, voted off the ballot one by one (with
Astral Leuge competitions and Immunity Challenges piped in by Andy Hooper).
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Avedon Carol
>Martin Wisse wrote:
>>
>> On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>>
>> >Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>> >final Survivor?
>>
>> Context people. Survivor of what?
>
>Ah, thank you so much, Martin, for that reminder of a saner world
>just out of my reach. I wish I could ask that same question.
Ah, how innocent you all are, assuming that the absence of /Survivor/
mans the absence of /Big Brother/.
Avedon Carol
>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>final Survivor?
I am delighted that the top story of the day is not about how the
villagers should storm the castle with torches, which has been
frequent front-page news here over the last several weeks.
Philip Chee
>On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>>final Survivor?
>Context people. Survivor of what?
This question from somebody in the Netherlands? Creators of Big Brother?
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: Dave Weingart wrote:
: > Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
: > final Survivor?
: > --
: Look at your calendar. It's August, the Silly Season. If it were not this,
: some other idiocy would be dominating the airwaves. This too shall pass.
Right. Last year at this time it was "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?"
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David Dyer-Bennet
> In article <39A56769...@sympatico.ca>,
> Theresa Wojtasiewicz <tw...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >Brenda wrote:
> >>
> >> Dave Weingart wrote:
> >>
> >> > Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
> >> > final Survivor?
> >> > --
> >>
> >> Look at your calendar. It's August, the Silly Season. If it were not this,
> >> some other idiocy would be dominating the airwaves. This too shall pass.
> >>
> >> Brenda
> >
> >This whole silly Survivor voyeur tv thing makes me wonder - hasn't this
> >been covered in sfnal books, somewhere? When this idiotic show came on,
> >for some reason the first thing that came to mind was THE RUNNING MAN.
> >Any thoughts?
>
> There's an Anderson which comes to mind...
THE DEVIL'S GAME? And I vaguely think it may have been published
under more than one title.
Which reminds me, again, to ask if anybody knows what's up with ISFDB?
Their news page talks about the next scheduled update -- in the fall
of 1999. (Last time I gave the new topic a new subject, and nobody
answered. Since, as we all know, all knowledge is contained in
fandom, there must be some other explanation than ignorance. So I'm
trying burying it in an existing thread this time.)
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>Oddly enough, while it was, indeed, mentioned on every news site I
>visited (and covered on Headline News), it was not the lead story on
>any of them.
It was the lead headline at WCBS (radio)'s local lead-in to both the 9
PM and 10 PM hours, but it was not the lead headline on the network
CBS radio news either of those hours. _Survivor_ was the #1 link on
the "Welcome to AOL" screen during the broadcast. I think that's as
close as it got.
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>Ray Radlein <r...@learnlink.emory.edu> wrote:
>>Oddly enough, while it was, indeed, mentioned on every news site I
>>visited (and covered on Headline News), it was not the lead story on
>>any of them.
>
>It was the lead headline at WCBS (radio)'s local lead-in to both the 9
>PM and 10 PM hours, but it was not the lead headline on the network
>CBS radio news either of those hours. _Survivor_ was the #1 link on
>the "Welcome to AOL" screen during the broadcast. I think that's as
>close as it got.
>
It got "above the fold" coverage on WSB's morning drive-time news
segment; then Boortz came on and started raving about something and i
turned the radio off.
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fn...@dial.pipex.com "Alison Hopkins" wrote:
It has occurred to me that the "Nasty Nick" story about the UK version
of Big Brother is, in part, a "game show contestant cheats" story.
Which is a little bit more nearly news than most of the reporting of TV
in the other media.
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> fn...@dial.pipex.com "Alison Hopkins" wrote:
>
>> Loren Joseph MacGregor wrote in message <8o4303$lf8$3...@news.efn.org>...
>>
>> >I am less pleased to know that I know a fair amount about it; as Dave
>> >pointed out, in the U.S., the story of "Survivor" is apparently
>> >considered, incorrectly, to be news.
>>
>> It made ours, too.
>
>It has occurred to me that the "Nasty Nick" story about the UK version
>of Big Brother is, in part, a "game show contestant cheats" story.
>Which is a little bit more nearly news than most of the reporting of TV
>in the other media.
>
There are, however, some joys to the silly season. Radio Four's news
programme was obviously a little short this morning. So, we got a
fascinating five minute discussion on conserving peat, something on Nietsche
and a third story on something that would normally get about ten seconds.
Ali
Martin Wisse
wrote:
>In rec.arts.sf.fandom, Martin Wisse <mwi...@ad-astra.demon.nl> wrote:
>>On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>
>>>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>>>final Survivor?
>
>>Context people. Survivor of what?
>
>You have no idea how good it makes me feel to have this question asked.
>"Survivor" is a show based (I -think-) on a Dutch original program, where
>several people were left on an island for a few weeks, each week voting
>off one (or maybe more, I don't know) people, until only one person was
>left. This was supposed to be wonderful, reality-based programming.
Danish, I believe. Big Brother, otoh, is ours.
>I am -very- happy to know that some people, at least, have never even
>heard of it.
Actually, i have to disappoint you there, I'd heard of it, just not how
it was called...
>I am less pleased to know that I know a fair amount about it; as Dave
>pointed out, in the U.S., the story of "Survivor" is apparently
>considered, incorrectly, to be news.
Hey, news = entertainment right? Right?
Martin Wisse
--
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Martin Wisse
wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:37:29 GMT, Kip Williams <ki...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>Martin Wisse wrote:
>>>
>>> On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>>> >final Survivor?
>>>
>>> Context people. Survivor of what?
>>
>>Ah, thank you so much, Martin, for that reminder of a saner world
>>just out of my reach. I wish I could ask that same question.
>
>Ah, how innocent you all are, assuming that the absence of /Survivor/
>mans the absence of /Big Brother/.
*Twitch* *twitch* *shudder*
No such luck... Last year it was cow-orkers feeling the need to discuss
it during the lunch, this time it's all the yUKians on irc who have to
talk about "evil Nick" all the time...
*twitch*
Martin Wisse
wrote:
>In article <39aa7041....@news.demon.nl> mwi...@ad-astra.demon.nl writes:
>>On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>
>>>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>>>final Survivor?
>
>>Context people. Survivor of what?
>
>This question from somebody in the Netherlands? Creators of Big Brother?
Thank you Phil.
I wonder how easy it is to change nationality?
Loren Joseph MacGregor
>I think we should stage a Brandonized recreation of it at Corflu: 12 Nebula
>nominees locked up in the SFWA suite, voted off the ballot one by one (with
>Astral Leuge competitions and Immunity Challenges piped in by Andy Hooper).
My I-m-too-tired-to-be-here brain read the first two words of the last
line quoted above as "Astral Legume," which lead in directions I really
didn't want to go.
-- LJM
John Kensmark
>
> Dave Weingart wrote:
>>
>> Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be
>> who was the final Survivor?
>
> -all- of the hospital staff (with the exception of Lauryn's
> physician) uniformly stated that it was unbelievable that neither
> of us had ever watched an episode, and had no opinions about the
> show other than that we didn't watch it, and had no desire to do
> so.
Not only have I never seen an episode, but *no one I know
personally* seems to have seen an episode. Or, to put that another
way, I don't personally know anyone who watched it.
What I really resent about "Survivor" is how poorly it was thought
out and made. Yes, it was effective (ie, commercial) TV, but after
MTV has been honing these sorts of 'reality' (ha!) TV shows
for--what--eight years now, it's truly pathetic for a major network
to produce such an unimaginative, unredeeming program.
Much better would have been to have the 'castaways' do something
*useful*. Why not draft them into a kind of Peace Corps mission,
and, ala MTV, reward or punish them according to how well they
complete their missions? Let them go to Africa, say, and dig wells,
or to Haiti and build lasting housing. If they do a good job, they
get extra food.
Watching people bitch and complain and toast rats over a
poorly-built campfire can't sustain audience share for long. Can
it? Lard, I hope not. I'll take Jeux Sans Frontiers or Junkyard
Wars (I love that show) any day. "Survivor" and "Big Brother" are
utterly uninteresting and poorly conceived.
--
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
Love conquers all things except poverty and toothache.
-- Mae West
Kip Williams
The goober peas that surpass all understanding.
Lucy Kemnitzer
<lmac...@efn.org> wrote:
>In rec.arts.sf.fandom, Lenny Bailes <len...@slip.net> wrote:
>
>>I think we should stage a Brandonized recreation of it at Corflu: 12 Nebula
>>nominees locked up in the SFWA suite, voted off the ballot one by one (with
>>Astral Leuge competitions and Immunity Challenges piped in by Andy Hooper).
>
>My I-m-too-tired-to-be-here brain read the first two words of the last
>line quoted above as "Astral Legume," which lead in directions I really
>didn't want to go.
Oh, I want to gothere. I have recently discovered that legumes as
I knew them were only one group of the family, and that acacias
and mimosas were in another group, and another group is also
pretty far from peas and wisterias in appearance. I'm stoked:
it's a lovely little revelation: and when I think about the idea
of an astral legume, it seems there is no end to the legumes we
could have.
Lucy Kemnitzer
shiny, sparkly, allergenic, and rank growing, yes?
Ed Dravecky III
> desert island (I don't know if a real one or a virtual one in the
> form of a building with no access to the outside world
> permitted).
Pulau Tiga, according to the official CBS wesbite, is the
"remote tropical island on which Survivor is being contested.
Three miles long by a mile wide, this island lies forty miles
east of the Bornean city of Kota Kinabalu. It was founded
just a century ago by an earthquake off the Philippines.
Wildlife includes monitor lizards, yellow-lipped kraits,
reticulated pythons, flying foxes, and Malaysian field rats.
The rats are edible."
This last bit was a major plot point. No, really.
--
Ed Dravecky III
(ed3 at panix.com)
P Nielsen Hayden
David Dyer-Bennet <d...@gw.dd-b.net> wrote:
>Which reminds me, again, to ask if anybody knows what's up with ISFDB?
>Their news page talks about the next scheduled update -- in the fall
>of 1999. (Last time I gave the new topic a new subject, and nobody
>answered. Since, as we all know, all knowledge is contained in
>fandom, there must be some other explanation than ignorance. So I'm
>trying burying it in an existing thread this time.)
I don't know what's the story with that. Weren't some NESFA folks
involved with helping there? I think that if the originators can't maintain
it, it would be a really, really useful project for some fan group to take
on.
--
Patrick Nielsen Hayden : p...@panix.com : http://www.panix.com/~pnh
P Nielsen Hayden
After all, did not the Pythagoreans abjure the eating of beans on the
grounds that they carried the transmigrated spirits of the departed?
Kip Williams
> After all, did not the Pythagoreans abjure the eating of beans on the
> grounds that they carried the transmigrated spirits of the departed?
That was because they were tired of hearing what the departed had to
say afterwards.
Philip Chee
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> US television program, whereby a number of people were put on a
>> desert island (I don't know if a real one or a virtual one in the
>> form of a building with no access to the outside world
>> permitted).
>Pulau Tiga, according to the official CBS wesbite, is the
Pulau Tiga = Island #3
>"remote tropical island on which Survivor is being contested.
>Three miles long by a mile wide, this island lies forty miles
>east of the Bornean city of Kota Kinabalu. It was founded
Err? That would make it forty miles *inland*.
>just a century ago by an earthquake off the Philippines.
>Wildlife includes monitor lizards, yellow-lipped kraits,
>reticulated pythons, flying foxes, and Malaysian field rats.
Apparently the other half of the island includes a tourist beach resort.
>The rats are edible."
>This last bit was a major plot point. No, really.
I don't want to know, thankyouverymuch.
Phil
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I was providing some information for it, and it started taking
longer
and longer for it to get put up on the site or to get a response about
what was going on, so I stopped. I think your suggestion is well taken.
John Boston
Marcus L. Rowland
<phi...@aleytys.pc.my> writes
>>The rats are edible."
>
>>This last bit was a major plot point. No, really.
>
>I don't want to know, thankyouverymuch.
My current project includes a scenario in which gathering rats for food
is the motivation for getting characters into the adventure. Only
problem was that I first had to clear this with the publishers of "Rat
on a Stick", an early RPG supplement which includes rules for setting up
your own fast food franchise...
--
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Forgotten Futures - The Scientific Romance Role Playing Game
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"We are all victims of this slime. They... ...fill our mailboxes with gibberish
that would get them indicted if people had time to press charges"
[Hunter S. Thompson predicts junk e-mail, 1985 (from Generation of Swine)]
Elisabeth Carey
>
> On 25 Aug 2000 11:15:53 -0500,
> David Dyer-Bennet <d...@gw.dd-b.net> wrote:
>
> >Which reminds me, again, to ask if anybody knows what's up with ISFDB?
> >Their news page talks about the next scheduled update -- in the fall
> >of 1999. (Last time I gave the new topic a new subject, and nobody
> >answered. Since, as we all know, all knowledge is contained in
> >fandom, there must be some other explanation than ignorance. So I'm
> >trying burying it in an existing thread this time.)
>
> I don't know what's the story with that. Weren't some NESFA folks
> involved with helping there? I think that if the originators can't maintain
> it, it would be a really, really useful project for some fan group to take
> on.
Tony Lewis and Mark Olson are working on the Great Index to
Everything--no, wait, I think officially it's the _NESFA Index to
Short Science Fiction_--and it will be available on the web as soon as
some technical issues are resolved.
--
Lis Carey
This post is copyright 2000 by Elisabeth Carey. Permission to
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Ulrika O'Brien
kras...@mindspring.com says...
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:09:49 -0400, Kevin J. Maroney
> <kmar...@ungames.com> typed
>
> >Ray Radlein <r...@learnlink.emory.edu> wrote:
> >>Oddly enough, while it was, indeed, mentioned on every news site I
> >>visited (and covered on Headline News), it was not the lead story on
> >>any of them.
> >
> >It was the lead headline at WCBS (radio)'s local lead-in to both the 9
> >PM and 10 PM hours, but it was not the lead headline on the network
> >CBS radio news either of those hours. _Survivor_ was the #1 link on
> >the "Welcome to AOL" screen during the broadcast. I think that's as
> >close as it got.
> >
> It got "above the fold" coverage on WSB's morning drive-time news
> segment; then Boortz came on and started raving about something and i
> turned the radio off.
And it was the cover story on Newsweek this last week -- with a
little microsquib in the corner about also carrying *Tom Clancy's*
take on the Russian sub. I wondered, when the issue came in to the
department, whether it was some sort of special media issue or
something, but it didn't appear to be. Boggle. Boggle, boggle
boggle.
--
Ulrika O'Brien * member fwa * Rabble without a clue
Kip Williams
>
> In article <96730006...@aleytys.pc.my>, Philip Chee
> <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> writes
> >>The rats are edible."
> >
> >>This last bit was a major plot point. No, really.
> >
> >I don't want to know, thankyouverymuch.
>
> My current project includes a scenario in which gathering rats for food
> is the motivation for getting characters into the adventure. Only
> problem was that I first had to clear this with the publishers of "Rat
> on a Stick", an early RPG supplement which includes rules for setting up
> your own fast food franchise...
"We Fry What You Won't Touch!" (Slogan for Rat on a Stick, in
Firesign Theatre movie)
John Kensmark
> Tony Lewis and Mark Olson are working on the Great Index to
> Everything--no, wait, I think officially it's the _NESFA Index
> to Short Science Fiction_--and it will be available on the web
> as soon as some technical issues are resolved.
Hey. I know those guys. (This is the first time that fans have
been mentioned on RASFF and they've been people I knew from
somewhere other than, or before, RASFF.)
--
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
Uneasy is the tooth that wears a crown.
Philip Chee
>In article <96730006...@aleytys.pc.my>, Philip Chee
><phi...@aleytys.pc.my> writes
>>>The rats are edible."
>>>This last bit was a major plot point. No, really.
>>I don't want to know, thankyouverymuch.
>My current project includes a scenario in which gathering rats for food
>is the motivation for getting characters into the adventure. Only
>problem was that I first had to clear this with the publishers of "Rat
>on a Stick", an early RPG supplement which includes rules for setting up
>your own fast food franchise...
UR CMOTD AICMFP
Phil
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Kip Williams
>
> Elisabeth Carey wrote:
>
> > Tony Lewis and Mark Olson are working on the Great Index to
> > Everything--no, wait, I think officially it's the _NESFA Index
> > to Short Science Fiction_--and it will be available on the web
> > as soon as some technical issues are resolved.
>
> Hey. I know those guys. (This is the first time that fans have
> been mentioned on RASFF and they've been people I knew from
> somewhere other than, or before, RASFF.)
As Spud Kooley used to say, "Heck, we made most of those other guys
up." (To which Flemming added, "Quiet, stupid, we made you up too!")
Mitch Wagner
>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>final Survivor?
No. August. Silly season.
--
Mitch Wagner
Mitch Wagner
>In article <39aa7041....@news.demon.nl>,
>Martin Wisse <mwi...@ad-astra.demon.nl> wrote:
>>On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>>
>>>Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was
>>>the final Survivor?
>>
>>Context people. Survivor of what?
>
>US television program, whereby a number of people were put on a
>desert island (I don't know if a real one or a virtual one in the
>form of a building with no access to the outside world
>permitted).
Real island, somewhere, I think, in the South Pacific.
>
>They had to live in this isolated place for some months. ...
Well, yeah, isolated except for a complete TV production crew, including
doctor and lots of food.
--
Mitch Wagner
Mitch Wagner
>On the radio station I listen to in the morning ... the two
>announcers have been talking Survivor for weeks. ... Week after week, he
kept telling her she really ought
>to tune in and watch it. Week after week, she kept saying,
>"Yeah, I really ought to, just to see what the excitement is
>about," and week after week she never did.
That was pretty much my attitude - I really ought to tune in, if only to
see what the excitement is about, but I never did.
Another I-really-ought-to-tune-in-to-see-what-the-excitement-is-about show
is "The Sopranos." When I finally got to watch about 10 minutes my reaction
was: bleh. I'll probably give it another chance sometime soon.
--
Mitch Wagner
Mitch Wagner
<8o4303$lf8$3...@news.efn.org>:
>I am less pleased to know that I know a fair amount about it; as Dave
>pointed out, in the U.S., the story of "Survivor" is apparently
>considered, incorrectly, to be news.
Of course it's news. Lots of people are interested in it. That makes it
news.
"News" is nothing more or less than what the people are interested in
finding out.
During my days in the ancient Pleistocene when I was a smalltown newspaper
reporter, occasionally some local official will get made at me for a story
I planned to write. "That's not news! That's not news!" he'd shout,
shrilly. What he really meant to say was, "I don't want people to know
about it!"
--
Mitch Wagner
Vicki Rosenzweig
>lmac...@efn.org (Loren Joseph MacGregor) wrote in
><8o4303$lf8$3...@news.efn.org>:
>
>>I am less pleased to know that I know a fair amount about it; as Dave
>>pointed out, in the U.S., the story of "Survivor" is apparently
>>considered, incorrectly, to be news.
>
>Of course it's news. Lots of people are interested in it. That makes it
>news.
>
>"News" is nothing more or less than what the people are interested in
>finding out.
I think "news" means things we don't already know. So the result of
a ballgame that just finished is news; that the Mets won the World
Series in 1969 isn't.
Not everything in the newspaper is news, of course. There are also
feature articles, like the stories about actors that are done
to create interest in an upcoming movie, and the recipes for pesto.
There are opinion pieces. There are crossword puzzles, comics, and
advice columns. And, of course, there are ads.
I don't object to the newspaper running articles about a television
show: lots of people are interested. I do think it's a bit weird that
newspapers ran front-page headlines to tell us "the results of this
thing will be announced tonight."
>
>During my days in the ancient Pleistocene when I was a smalltown newspaper
>reporter, occasionally some local official will get made at me for a story
>I planned to write. "That's not news! That's not news!" he'd shout,
>shrilly. What he really meant to say was, "I don't want people to know
>about it!"
Aye. If it really weren't news, they wouldn't mind you mentioning it,
because it would be something everyone already knew.
--
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Dorothy J Heydt
Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org> wrote:
>
>I think "news" means things we don't already know. So the result of
>a ballgame that just finished is news; that the Mets won the World
>Series in 1969 isn't.
It is to me. I didn't know it. It will be news to me tomorrow,
too, because I will have forgotten it again.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt
John Kensmark
I've seen two full episodes and a few parts of a few others, and I
don't get the buzz. It seems like a fine mafia show. I don't need
to see a mafia show. I wasn't sold--nothing against it, but nothing
particularly for it.
I watch enough TV, anyway. There are educatainment programs calling
me.
--
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
Be it ever so hovel, there's no place like home.
All men are cremated equal.
I explained it to him in words of one cylinder.
Beth Friedman
Heydt) wrote:
>In article <mbijqsooksumsto1c...@4ax.com>,
>Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org> wrote:
>>
>>I think "news" means things we don't already know. So the result of
>>a ballgame that just finished is news; that the Mets won the World
>>Series in 1969 isn't.
>
>It is to me. I didn't know it. It will be news to me tomorrow,
>too, because I will have forgotten it again.
Whereas it is a painful memory to me, and will probably always be.
"You know the law of averages says:
Anything will happen that can.
But the year the Cubs last won a national league pennant
Was the year we dropped the bomb on Japan"
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Mike Kozlowski
Mitch Wagner <mit...@sff.net> wrote:
>(That's not true: I am getting really sick of stories that contrast the
>"styles" and strategies of the Gore and Bush campaigns, and in general
>treat the election as though it was a big sporting event.)
Entertainment event. I was reading a magazine today, and I was getting a
bit annoyed about how shallow the political coverage was. The magazine
rated the Gore home movies shown at the convention, listed which
celebrities performed at which convention, analyzed the songs played at
the conventions for political subtext, and so on.
Before I got too irritated, I remembered that I was reading _Entertainment
Weekly_. But, y'know, I've read stories just like each of those in real
news outlets.
>The full attack on a news story goes basically like this: it's not news
>because it's not true and everybody already knows about it. If you take
>that sentence and spin it out to about 1,000 words, then most people won't
>notice the sleight-of-hand.
You can do both at once, if the purported news is actually groundless but
widespread rumor. Richard Gere's gerbils, for instance.
--
Mike Kozlowski
http://www.klio.org/mlk/
Mitch Wagner
<mbijqsooksumsto1c...@4ax.com>:
>I don't object to the newspaper running articles about a television
>show: lots of people are interested. I do think it's a bit weird that
>newspapers ran front-page headlines to tell us "the results of this
>thing will be announced tonight."
Weird, but harmless. It's the latest fad, and people are always interested
in the latest fad.
My concern with the news is not what IS reported - hey, both my brothers
were big "Survivor" fans and I certainly have a lot of respect for them. I
enjoyed the occasional "Survivor" article myself, and I didn't even watch
the blamed show.
No, my concern is for what's NOT reported.
(That's not true: I am getting really sick of stories that contrast the
"styles" and strategies of the Gore and Bush campaigns, and in general
treat the election as though it was a big sporting event.)
>>
>>During my days in the ancient Pleistocene when I was a smalltown
>>newspaper reporter, occasionally some local official will get made at
>>me for a story I planned to write. "That's not news! That's not news!"
>>he'd shout, shrilly. What he really meant to say was, "I don't want
>>people to know about it!"
>
>Aye. If it really weren't news, they wouldn't mind you mentioning it,
>because it would be something everyone already knew.
The full attack on a news story goes basically like this: it's not news
because it's not true and everybody already knows about it. If you take
that sentence and spin it out to about 1,000 words, then most people won't
notice the sleight-of-hand.
--
Mitch Wagner
Mitch Wagner
>In article <8F9EA1932as...@127.0.0.1>,
>Mitch Wagner <mit...@sff.net> wrote:
>
>>(That's not true: I am getting really sick of stories that contrast the
>>"styles" and strategies of the Gore and Bush campaigns, and in general
>>treat the election as though it was a big sporting event.)
>
>Entertainment event. I was reading a magazine today, and I was getting
>a bit annoyed about how shallow the political coverage was. The
>magazine rated the Gore home movies shown at the convention, listed
>which celebrities performed at which convention, analyzed the songs
>played at the conventions for political subtext, and so on.
>
>Before I got too irritated, I remembered that I was reading
>_Entertainment Weekly_. But, y'know, I've read stories just like each
>of those in real news outlets.
Exactly so.
An NPR profile said of Tipper Gore said that a big problem with her
campaign for record-labeling in the 1980s was that it created the
impression that she is stiff and humorless, when nothing could be further
from the truth. She's actually a wild, fun-lovin' gal, says NPR. "That's
ridiculous," I said to the radio. "My problem with Tipper's record-labeling
campaign was that it was dangerously close to censorship. I have no problem
if Tipper is stiff and humorless--indeed, Eleanor Roosevelt, perhaps the
greatest First Lady this country ever had, was highly stiff and humorless,
while a fun-lovin' gal like, say, Courtney Love, would probably not make a
very good First Lady."
OTOH, the New York Times article about W today was very interesting--says
his involvement in his father's presidential campaign, 13 years ago, was
epxert, hands-on, intelligent and hard-working, belying the image of W as a
playboy dilettante. Problem is that what he fell in love with was the
PROCESS of campaigning; the article presents no evidence that W has any
interest in issues or governing.
--
Mitch Wagner
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet
>Martin Wisse wrote:
>>
>> On 24 Aug 2000 14:26:36 GMT, phyd...@liii.com (Dave Weingart) wrote:
>>
>> >Does it bother anyone else that the top news story seems to be who was the
>> >final Survivor?
>>
>> Context people. Survivor of what?
>Ah, thank you so much, Martin, for that reminder of a saner world
>just out of my reach. I wish I could ask that same question.
Heck, I could have asked it before I started reading this thread, but
only by so completely ignoring all news coverage that Patrick was
moved to say to me, with perfect truth, that I am behind on the events
of the US presidential election campaigns.
--
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet (pd...@demesne.com)
"I will open my heart to a blank page
and interview the witnesses." John M. Ford, "Shared World"
Demian Phillips
>v...@redbird.org (Vicki Rosenzweig) wrote in
><mbijqsooksumsto1c...@4ax.com>:
>
>>I don't object to the newspaper running articles about a television
>>show: lots of people are interested. I do think it's a bit weird that
>>newspapers ran front-page headlines to tell us "the results of this
>>thing will be announced tonight."
>
>Weird, but harmless. It's the latest fad, and people are always interested
>in the latest fad.
>
>My concern with the news is not what IS reported - hey, both my brothers
>were big "Survivor" fans and I certainly have a lot of respect for them. I
>enjoyed the occasional "Survivor" article myself, and I didn't even watch
>the blamed show.
>
>No, my concern is for what's NOT reported.
>
>(That's not true: I am getting really sick of stories that contrast the
>"styles" and strategies of the Gore and Bush campaigns, and in general
>treat the election as though it was a big sporting event.)
>
Davros in 2000
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Alison Hopkins
Demian Phillips wrote in message
<4rsqqss3ete8vetke...@4ax.com>...
>mit...@sff.net (Mitch Wagner) wrote:
>
>>v...@redbird.org (Vicki Rosenzweig) wrote in
>><mbijqsooksumsto1c...@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>I don't object to the newspaper running articles about a television
>>>show: lots of people are interested. I do think it's a bit weird that
>>>newspapers ran front-page headlines to tell us "the results of this
>>>thing will be announced tonight."
>>
>>Weird, but harmless. It's the latest fad, and people are always interested
>>in the latest fad.
>>
>>My concern with the news is not what IS reported - hey, both my brothers
>>were big "Survivor" fans and I certainly have a lot of respect for them. I
>>enjoyed the occasional "Survivor" article myself, and I didn't even watch
>>the blamed show.
>>
>>No, my concern is for what's NOT reported.
>>
>>(That's not true: I am getting really sick of stories that contrast the
>>"styles" and strategies of the Gore and Bush campaigns, and in general
>>treat the election as though it was a big sporting event.)
>>
>
Cool. Just exterminate the opposition!
Ali
Demian Phillips
>
>Demian Phillips wrote in message
>>Davros in 2000
>>
>
>
>Cool. Just exterminate the opposition!
>
Didn't some state level candidate do that?
Alison Hopkins
Demian Phillips wrote in message ...
>"Alison Hopkins" <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Demian Phillips wrote in message
>
>>>Davros in 2000
>>>
>>
>>
>>Cool. Just exterminate the opposition!
>>
>Didn't some state level candidate do that?
>
Do tell, please?
Ali
Elisabeth Carey
In Tennessee, in 1998, Byron (Low Tax) Looper [yes, he legally changed
his middle name to (Low Tax)], a candidate for a state senate seat,
shot and killed his opponent, the incumbent state senator, Tommy
Burks.
It didn't help, because he immediately became the prime suspect, and
Burks' wife was elected instead.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/23/senator.killed.ap/index.html
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Lis Carey
This post is copyright 2000 by Elisabeth Carey. Permission to
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Rich McAllister K6RFM
> In Tennessee, in 1998, Byron (Low Tax) Looper [yes, he legally changed
> his middle name to (Low Tax)], a candidate for a state senate seat,
In California a candidate's occupation is listed on the ballot under
the name. A few years ago one candidate managed to get his occupation
listed as "Tax Cutter".
Rich
Demian Phillips
another classroom talking about how great it is to be nice and talk
about things that are important to the people and not playing dirty
politics. Miraculously the RNC runs a Gore bashing add.
Bush campaign rep says "It was all in good fun. It wasn't a mean
spirited hail mary attack"
Contents of commercial say gore is basically a 2 faced liar because of
the fund raiser at the buddhist temple and the sound byte about the
internet.
Kevin J. Maroney
>Anyone catch Shrubs latest Bigotry (that how I see it).
I listened to Woody Bush on _The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer_(*) last
night--they played long excerpts from stump speeches from both Bush
and Gore.
I was really struck by a slip of Bush's tongue: He referred to
everyone having the right to "live in a private <oops> safe
neighborhood".
I don't know about you, but I find this very revealing.
*WNYC-AM radio broadcasts the sound of that evening's _NewsHour_ every
weeknight. I find it very pleasant to listen to as I am preparing for
bed.
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Kitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction
<http://www.nyrsf.com>
Alison Hopkins
Elisabeth Carey wrote in message <39AF0C40...@mediaone.net>...
>Alison Hopkins wrote:
>>
>> Demian Phillips wrote in message ...
>> >"Alison Hopkins" <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Demian Phillips wrote in message
>> >
>> >>>Davros in 2000
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Cool. Just exterminate the opposition!
>> >>
>> >Didn't some state level candidate do that?
>> >
>>
>> Do tell, please?
>
>In Tennessee, in 1998, Byron (Low Tax) Looper [yes, he legally changed
>his middle name to (Low Tax)], a candidate for a state senate seat,
>shot and killed his opponent, the incumbent state senator, Tommy
>Burks.
>
>It didn't help, because he immediately became the prime suspect, and
>Burks' wife was elected instead.
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/23/senator.killed.ap/index.html
>
>--
Oh, thank you. That rings a very vague bell, now, and it's a fascinating
story.
Ali
mike weber
<r...@pensfa.org> typed
My own favourite California election law story was the one about the
"Sister Boom Boom Rule".
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you do know that AREN'T true..." ("The Notebooks of Lazarus Long"?)
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Kip Williams
>
> Anyone catch Shrubs latest Bigotry (that how I see it). Showing up in
> another classroom talking about how great it is to be nice and talk
> about things that are important to the people and not playing dirty
> politics. Miraculously the RNC runs a Gore bashing add.
> Bush campaign rep says "It was all in good fun. It wasn't a mean
> spirited hail mary attack"
> Contents of commercial say gore is basically a 2 faced liar because of
> the fund raiser at the buddhist temple and the sound byte about the
> internet.
It's a "light hearted" spot, sez the GOP. Hate to see them when
they're mad.
The silly season's over, folks. Welcome to the mean season.
Vicki Rosenzweig
GMT:
>On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 04:10:24 GMT, Rich McAllister K6RFM
><r...@pensfa.org> typed
>
>>Elisabeth Carey <lis....@mediaone.net> writes:
>>
>>> In Tennessee, in 1998, Byron (Low Tax) Looper [yes, he legally changed
>>> his middle name to (Low Tax)], a candidate for a state senate seat,
>>
>>In California a candidate's occupation is listed on the ballot under
>>the name. A few years ago one candidate managed to get his occupation
>>listed as "Tax Cutter".
>
>My own favourite California election law story was the one about the
>"Sister Boom Boom Rule".
Go on....
--
Vicki Rosenzweig | v...@redbird.org
Dorothy J Heydt
mike weber <kras...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>((Can't recall what the Sister's face looked like,...
Think of Richard Nixon in a wimple. I'm not speaking so much of
the banana nose as the five o'clock shadow.
mike weber
typed
>In article <39b03de8...@news.mindspring.com>,
>mike weber <kras...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>((Can't recall what the Sister's face looked like,...
>
>Think of Richard Nixon in a wimple. I'm not speaking so much of
>the banana nose as the five o'clock shadow.
>
Was i essentially right about the rest?
Dorothy J Heydt
mike weber <kras...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:22:29 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>typed
>
>>In article <39b03de8...@news.mindspring.com>,
>>mike weber <kras...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>((Can't recall what the Sister's face looked like,...
>>
>>Think of Richard Nixon in a wimple. I'm not speaking so much of
>>the banana nose as the five o'clock shadow.
>>
>Was i essentially right about the rest?
Yeah.
I found him/her a colossal bore, but San Francisco politics
frequently affect me like that. Fortunately I live in Albany,
whose politics (when any) are of the ripple-in-a-teacup variety.
John Kensmark
>
> Anyone catch Shrubs latest Bigotry (that how I see it). Showing
> up in another classroom talking about how great it is to be nice
> and talk about things that are important to the people and not
> playing dirty politics. Miraculously the RNC runs a Gore bashing
> add. Bush campaign rep says "It was all in good fun. It wasn't a
> mean spirited hail mary attack"
> Contents of commercial say gore is basically a 2 faced liar
> because of the fund raiser at the buddhist temple and the sound
> byte about the internet.
What I like about this is what ran about it in today's paper. Some
GOP spokesthing, probably Karl Rove (the main holder of Shrub's
monkey chain) justified the ad by saying that whether or not you
thought it was negative, it was "necessary" because of the many
Democrat ads attacking Bush's "record".
In which case, first off, this wasn't nearly a nasty enough ad,
because if you weigh Shrub's record against Gore's dumb screw-ups,
it's not hard to see that Shrub has a far greater weight of stink.
But, second, what I like is that idea that they're promoting this ad
as comparable. Gore's record, they'd have you believe, is claiming
to have invented the internet and going to a possibly illegal
fund-raiser at a Buddhist temple. Well, gee, I guess he's mostly
lazy, if that's all he's done in eight years . . . .
--
John Kensmark kensmark#hotmail.com
The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're
going to be when you kill them.
Avedon Carol
<kensmark@see_end_of_post.com> wrote:
>But, second, what I like is that idea that they're promoting this ad
>as comparable. Gore's record, they'd have you believe, is claiming
>to have invented the internet and going to a possibly illegal
>fund-raiser at a Buddhist temple. Well, gee, I guess he's mostly
>lazy, if that's all he's done in eight years . . . .
More than eight years - you forget he was in Congress before that.
For a guy with such a long record, you'd think he'd have screwed up
more often than that.