Hugo Awards Nominations
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<p...@panix.com> wrote:
> Hugo Awards Nominations
> Best Novella
> * "Story of Your Life", Ted Chiang (Starlight 2)
>
> Best Novelette
> * "Divided by Infinity", Robert Charles Wilson (Starlight 2)
>
> Best Professional Editor
> * Patrick Nielsen Hayden
Nicely done Patrick! Was Darwinia your book as well?
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P Nielsen Hayden
Aussiecon 3, the 57th annual World Science Fiction Convention, has released
this year's nominations for the Hugo Awards and the John W. Campbell Award
for Best New Writer. Winners will be announced at the convention in
Melbourne, Australia, Sept. 2 - 6, 1999.
Best Novel
* Children of God, Mary Doria Russell (Villard)
* Darwinia, Robert Charles Wilson (Tor)
* Distraction, Bruce Sterling (Bantam Spectra)
* Factoring Humanity, Robert J. Sawyer (Tor)
* To Say Nothing of the Dog, Connie Willis (Bantam Spectra)
Best Novella
* "Aurora in Four Voices", Catherine Asaro (Analog, Dec 1998)
* "Get Me to the Church On Time", Terry Bisson (Asimov's, May 1998)
* "Oceanic", Greg Egan (Asimov's, Aug 1998)
* "Story of Your Life", Ted Chiang (Starlight 2, Tor, Nov 1998)
* "The Summer Isles", Ian R. MacLeod (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
Best Novelette
* "Divided by Infinity", Robert Charles Wilson (Starlight 2, Tor,
Nov 1998)
* "Echea", Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Asimov's, Jul 1998)
* "The Planck Dive", Greg Egan (Asimov's, Feb 1998)
* "Steamship Soldier on the Information Front", Nancy Kress (Future
Histories 1997; Asimov's, Apr 1998)
* "Taklamakan", Bruce Sterling (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
* "Time Gypsy", Ellen Klages (Bending the Landscape: Science Fiction
Overlook, Sep 1998)
* "Zwarte Piet's Tale", Allen Steele (Analog, Dec 1998)
Best Short Story
* "Cosmic Corkscrew", Michael A. Burstein (Analog, Jun 1998)
* "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
* "Radiant Doors", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Sep 1998)
* "The Very Pulse of the Machine", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Feb
1998)
* "Whiptail", Robert Reed (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
* "Wild Minds", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, May 1998)
Best Related Book
* The Dreams Our Stuff Is Made Of: How Science Fiction Conquered the
World, Thomas M. Disch (The Free Press)
* Hugo, Nebula & World Fantasy Awards, Howard DeVore (Advent:Publishers)
* Science-Fiction: The Gernsback Years, Everett F. Bleiler (Kent State
University Press)
* Spectrum 5: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art, Cathy Fenner &
Arnie Fenner, eds. (Underwood Books)
* The Works of Jack Williamson: An Annotated Bibliography and Guide,
Richard A. Hauptmann (The NESFA Press)
Best Dramatic Presentation
* Babylon 5: "Sleeping in Light"
* Dark City
* Pleasantville
* Star Trek: Insurrection
* The Truman Show
Best Professional Editor
* Gardner Dozois
* Scott Edelman
* David G. Hartwell
* Patrick Nielsen Hayden
* Stanley Schmidt
* Gordon Van Gelder
Best Professional Artist
* Jim Burns
* Bob Eggleton
* Donato Giancola
* Don Maitz
* Nick Stathopoulos
* Michael Whelan
Best Semiprozine
* Interzone, David Pringle, ed.
* Locus, Charles N. Brown, ed.
* The New York Review of Science Fiction, Kathryn Cramer, Ariel Haméon,
David G. Hartwell & Kevin Maroney, eds.
* Science Fiction Chronicle, Andrew I. Porter, ed.
* Speculations, Kent Brewster, ed.
Best Fanzine
* Ansible, Dave Langford, ed.
* File 770, Mike Glyer, ed.
* Mimosa, Richard & Nikki Lynch, eds.
* Plotka, Alison Scott & Steve Davies, eds.
* Tangent, David A. Truesdale, ed.
* Thyme, Alan Stewart, ed.
Best Fan Writer
* Bob Deveny
* Mike Glyer
* Dave Langford
* Evelyn C. Leeper
* Maureen Kincaid Speller
Best Fan Artist
* Freddie Bauer
* Brad Foster
* Ian Gunn
* Teddy Harvia
* Joe Mayhew
* D. West
John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer (Not a Hugo)
* Kage Baker*
* Julie E. Czerneda*
* Nalo Hopkinson*
* Susan R. Matthews*
* James Van Pelt*
* denotes second year of eligibility
--
Patrick Nielsen Hayden : p...@panix.com : http://www.panix.com/~pnh
Tom Galloway
P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>Hugo Awards Nominations
Is it just me, or does there seem to be a lot of categories with ties for
the final nomination slot? Novelette has seven, Short Story, Editor, Pro
Artist, Fanzine, and Fan Artist all have six, so that's just shy of half
the categories.
>Best Short Story
> * "Cosmic Corkscrew", Michael A. Burstein (Analog, Jun 1998)
> * "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
> * "Radiant Doors", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Sep 1998)
> * "The Very Pulse of the Machine", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Feb
> 1998)
> * "Whiptail", Robert Reed (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
> * "Wild Minds", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, May 1998)
Definitely going to have to take a look at the vote distribution after the
first round on this one. Has there been a case of a writer having three
nominees in the same year in a fiction category before?
>Patrick Nielsen Hayden : p...@panix.com : http://www.panix.com/~pnh
Thanks for posting these, and congrats on the nomination.
tyg t...@netcom.com
P Nielsen Hayden
>In article <8DB0EED...@news.panix.com>,
>P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>>Hugo Awards Nominations
>
>Is it just me, or does there seem to be a lot of categories with ties for
>the final nomination slot? Novelette has seven, Short Story, Editor, Pro
>Artist, Fanzine, and Fan Artist all have six, so that's just shy of half
>the categories.
Yes, I wondered about that. But it's an Australian worldcon, so I assume
there was a fairly small base of nominators. When you have relatively few
nominators spreading their choices over a large field, ties become more
likely. Or so it seems to not-very-mathematical me.
>>Best Short Story
>> * "Cosmic Corkscrew", Michael A. Burstein (Analog, Jun 1998)
>> * "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
>> * "Radiant Doors", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Sep 1998)
>> * "The Very Pulse of the Machine", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Feb
>> 1998)
>> * "Whiptail", Robert Reed (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
>> * "Wild Minds", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, May 1998)
>
>Definitely going to have to take a look at the vote distribution after the
>first round on this one. Has there been a case of a writer having three
>nominees in the same year in a fiction category before?
Nominees are given the chance to decline nomination, a right exercised most
often in cases where two works by the same author make the ballot in the
same category. As the LOCUS web page points out, presumably Swanwick was
given this chance and declined.
The LOCUS web page also points out that it's unprecedented for anyone to be
nominated three times in one category, and that moreover, if Swanwick
doesn't win, he will vault past Michael Bishop for largest number of
fiction Hugo nominations without winning -- a title widely known, although
the LOCUS web page doesn't mention it, as the Bull Goose Loser. It's hard
to imagine that Michael Swanwick, a man with a very fannish attitude about
these things, is unaware of this. That being the case, his decision
suddenly makes plenty of sense. If he loses, he makes Hugo history two
different ways. If he wins, he still makes Hugo history one way _and_ he
has a Hugo.
--
P Nielsen Hayden
22049923...@wfd-nj1-04.ix.netcom.com>:
>In article <8DB0EED...@news.panix.com>, P Nielsen Hayden
><p...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Hugo Awards Nominations
>
>> Best Novella
>> * "Story of Your Life", Ted Chiang (Starlight 2)
>>
>> Best Novelette
>> * "Divided by Infinity", Robert Charles Wilson (Starlight 2)
>>
>> Best Professional Editor
>> * Patrick Nielsen Hayden
>
>Nicely done Patrick! Was Darwinia your book as well?
Well, of course, DARWINIA was Bob Wilson's book. But in fact it was
acquired by me, and edited by me and Teresa, with Teresa doing the really
heavy lifting.
I'm extraordinarily pleased to be working with Wilson, not least because
Teresa and I have known and admired his writing since we were fannish
tadpoles together. (There's a Bob Wilson piece in TELOS 1.) This fall
we'll publish BIOS, a wonderfully tense little hard-SF thriller; next up is
a story collection called THE PERSEIDS, to be followed by a new novel, THE
CHRONOLITHS.
Pete McCutchen
>Hugo Awards Nominations
>
>Aussiecon 3, the 57th annual World Science Fiction Convention, has released
>this year's nominations for the Hugo Awards and the John W. Campbell Award
>for Best New Writer. Winners will be announced at the convention in
>Melbourne, Australia, Sept. 2 - 6, 1999.
>
>Best Novel
> * Children of God, Mary Doria Russell (Villard)
> * Darwinia, Robert Charles Wilson (Tor)
> * Distraction, Bruce Sterling (Bantam Spectra)
> * Factoring Humanity, Robert J. Sawyer (Tor)
> * To Say Nothing of the Dog, Connie Willis (Bantam Spectra)
This is, perhaps, a Hugo first: for the first time, I've not read a
single one of the novels nominated for best novel. The odd thing is,
the only one that I have definite plans to read is _Factoring
Humanity_. Though I'll probably read _Darwinia_ as well.
<snip>
>Best Dramatic Presentation
> * Babylon 5: "Sleeping in Light"
> * Dark City
> * Pleasantville
> * Star Trek: Insurrection
> * The Truman Show
It would almost be worth paying for the membership, even though I'm
not going to Australia, just to vote against "Sleeping In Light."
<snip>
>John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer (Not a Hugo)
> * Kage Baker*
> * Julie E. Czerneda*
> * Nalo Hopkinson*
> * Susan R. Matthews*
> * James Van Pelt*
>
> * denotes second year of eligibility
Susan Mathews? I think I'm off to the Worldcon webpage, along with my
checkbook.
Mike Scott
> * Plotka, Alison Scott & Steve Davies, eds.
That's "Plokta" -- the rogue meme is spreading.
--
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P Nielsen Hayden
<372c0d21...@news.demon.co.uk>:
>On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> * Plotka, Alison Scott & Steve Davies, eds.
>
>That's "Plokta" -- the rogue meme is spreading.
Oops. I cut-and-pasted that list from the LOCUS web page. I've just sent
them a correction, and cc'd it to the Aussiecon committee.
Rich Horton
McCutchen) wrote:
>On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>Hugo Awards Nominations
>>
>>Aussiecon 3, the 57th annual World Science Fiction Convention, has released
>>this year's nominations for the Hugo Awards and the John W. Campbell Award
>>for Best New Writer. Winners will be announced at the convention in
>>Melbourne, Australia, Sept. 2 - 6, 1999.
>>
>>Best Novel
>> * Children of God, Mary Doria Russell (Villard)
>> * Darwinia, Robert Charles Wilson (Tor)
>> * Distraction, Bruce Sterling (Bantam Spectra)
>> * Factoring Humanity, Robert J. Sawyer (Tor)
>> * To Say Nothing of the Dog, Connie Willis (Bantam Spectra)
>
>This is, perhaps, a Hugo first: for the first time, I've not read a
>single one of the novels nominated for best novel. The odd thing is,
>the only one that I have definite plans to read is _Factoring
>Humanity_. Though I'll probably read _Darwinia_ as well.
>
I managed that feat last year. And I read quite a lot of new SF, too.
But this year I've read three (_Darwinia_, _Distraction_, and _To Say
Nothing of the Dog_), and I face a difficult choice between _Darwinia_
and _To Say Nothing of the Dog_ for my first place vote.
Naturally I wish _Inversions_ had made the list: I'd thought maybe in
an Australian Worldcon year a UK 1998 book not yet published in the US
had a chance, but no. My fourth favorite (_Mission Child_) was
published late in the year, and well, I liked it a lot but I can see
it not being nominated easily enough.
Overall, I think this is a really solid list of fiction choices.
--
Rich Horton
Homepage: www.sff.net/people/richard.horton
Visit Tangent Online (www.sfsite.com/tangent) for timely reviews of SF short fiction
Rich Horton
>Best Short Story
> * "Cosmic Corkscrew", Michael A. Burstein (Analog, Jun 1998)
> * "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
> * "Radiant Doors", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Sep 1998)
> * "The Very Pulse of the Machine", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Feb
> 1998)
> * "Whiptail", Robert Reed (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
> * "Wild Minds", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, May 1998)
Michael Swanwick had an amazing year, didn't he?
P Nielsen Hayden
<372162e2...@news.concentric.net>:
>On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>Best Short Story
>> * "Cosmic Corkscrew", Michael A. Burstein (Analog, Jun 1998)
>> * "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
>> * "Radiant Doors", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Sep 1998)
>> * "The Very Pulse of the Machine", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, Feb
>> 1998)
>> * "Whiptail", Robert Reed (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
>> * "Wild Minds", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, May 1998)
>
>Michael Swanwick had an amazing year, didn't he?
Bruce Sterling did pretty well, too:
Best Novel
* Distraction, Bruce Sterling (Bantam Spectra)
Best Novelette
* "Taklamakan", Bruce Sterling (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
Best Short Story
* "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
Jim Mann
some things missed also.
Most of the nominations for written fiction were very good. Congratulations
to Patrick for having two stories from Starlight nominated. Some of these
choices are going to be hard, because there was so much good stuff nominated
(especially in the short fiction categories).
I was also happy to see two book editors (Patrick and David Hartwell)
nominated.
On the other hand, I was quite disappointed by the Dramatic Presentation
category. In the last year and a half or so, Star Trek: Deep Space 9 has
turned into the best SF show on TV (and one of the best ever). There were at
least three DS9 episodes that were better than any of the five nominess (and
probably three times that number that were better than the one Star Trek
item that did make the ballot -- the enjoyable but not really Hugo quality
Insurrection). I'll probably wind up voting for The Truman Show, which was
very good, but I would have prefered a DS9 episode.
***************************************************************
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<p...@panix.com> wrote:
> Science Fiction Weekly <scifi...@scifi.com> wrote in <scifiweekly-
> 22049923...@wfd-nj1-04.ix.netcom.com>:
>
> >In article <8DB0EED...@news.panix.com>, P Nielsen Hayden
> ><p...@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hugo Awards Nominations
> >
> >> Best Novella
> >> * "Story of Your Life", Ted Chiang (Starlight 2)
> >>
> >> Best Novelette
> >> * "Divided by Infinity", Robert Charles Wilson (Starlight 2)
> >>
> >> Best Professional Editor
> >> * Patrick Nielsen Hayden
> >
> >Nicely done Patrick! Was Darwinia your book as well?
>
> Well, of course, DARWINIA was Bob Wilson's book. But in fact it was
> acquired by me, and edited by me and Teresa, with Teresa doing the really
> heavy lifting.
>
> I'm extraordinarily pleased to be working with Wilson, not least because
> Teresa and I have known and admired his writing since we were fannish
> tadpoles together. (There's a Bob Wilson piece in TELOS 1.) This fall
> we'll publish BIOS, a wonderfully tense little hard-SF thriller; next up is
> a story collection called THE PERSEIDS, to be followed by a new novel, THE
> CHRONOLITHS.
Sounds great. I loved DARWINIA as a whole, and on the prose level I
thought Wilson was often brilliant. Glad to hear there are more books,
etc., to look forward to.
Ailsa N Murphy
P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>Hugo Awards Nominations
>
> * Patrick Nielsen Hayden
>
> * Ansible, Dave Langford, ed.
>
> * Dave Langford
> * Evelyn C. Leeper
> * Maureen Kincaid Speller
>
This is my fist time seriously looking over a Hugo nominees
list, so I have no idea if you all make a habit of this or
not, but congratulations.
-Ailsa
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Evelyn C. Leeper
P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
> Hugo Awards Nominations
>
> * Bob Deveny
That's "Devney". (Heck, even I misspelled it in my Boskone report, but
I dropped the final "e" entirely, a la "Delany".)
> * Mike Glyer
> * Dave Langford
> * Evelyn C. Leeper
> * Maureen Kincaid Speller
--
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that you occupy a privileged position in it." -Jim Holt
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Tom Galloway
Jim Mann <jm...@transarc.com> wrote:
>On the other hand, I was quite disappointed by the Dramatic Presentation
>category. In the last year and a half or so, Star Trek: Deep Space 9 has
>turned into the best SF show on TV (and one of the best ever). There were at
>least three DS9 episodes that were better than any of the five nominess (and
>probably three times that number that were better than the one Star Trek
>item that did make the ballot -- the enjoyable but not really Hugo quality
>Insurrection).
I'd agree that a DS9 episode deserved to be on the ballot more than
Insurrection, but my own disappointment was that last season's Buffy the
Vampire Slayer finale didn't make it on.
tyg t...@netcom.com
Ruth Sachter
>Mike Scott <mi...@moose.demon.co.uk> wrote in
><372c0d21...@news.demon.co.uk>:
>
>>On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> * Plotka, Alison Scott & Steve Davies, eds.
>>
>>That's "Plokta" -- the rogue meme is spreading.
>
>Oops. I cut-and-pasted that list from the LOCUS web page. I've just sent
>them a correction, and cc'd it to the Aussiecon committee.
And also
>Best Fan Artist
> * Freddie Bauer
should be Freddie Baer.
--
Ruth
ru...@spiritone.com
John Lorentz
wrote:
>On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> * Plotka, Alison Scott & Steve Davies, eds.
>
>That's "Plokta" -- the rogue meme is spreading.
>
And we're assuming that the Fan Artist is Freddie Baer, not "Bauer"
(since when the Hugo administrators asked us for e-mail addresses for
various nominees last week, they asked for Freddie Baer's address.)
It's an interesting set of nominees--my assumption is that the
multiple ties are caused by a low number of nomination ballots. )For
the most part, the categories that we had ties in last year were
categories with lower-than-average nominations.)
--
John (Bucky Hugo counter, retired)
Andrew Plotkin
> On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
> > * Plotka, Alison Scott & Steve Davies, eds.
> That's "Plokta" -- the rogue meme is spreading.
I take full responsibility.
--Z ("Typhoid Plotkin")
--
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
borogoves..."
Evelyn C. Leeper
>
> * "Echea", Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Asimov's, Jul 1998)
> * "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
Am I the only one who thinks that trying to keep these straight without
a crib sheet is going to be a real riot?
Not to mention keeping straight Sterling's and Swanwick's three
nominations each, and Wilson's and Egan's two nominations each.
Nice to see an Aussie on there. (It's nice to see him on there even
when the convention is elsewhere, also, of course.) A lot of Canadian
representation also. No Kiwis, though.
Loren MacGregor
Congratulations on your nomination, Patrick, and congratulations to
TOR as well.
It's good to see so many RASFerians in the list, too, including
... well, everybody on the list. I have to say I'm very pleased
to see Freddy Bauer on the Fan Artist list; until someone puts
a fanzine on a t-shirt, that's about the only wearable fan art
I will have.
-- LJM
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John Lorentz
>Mike Scott <mi...@moose.demon.co.uk> wrote in
><372c0d21...@news.demon.co.uk>:
>
>>On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> * Plotka, Alison Scott & Steve Davies, eds.
>>
>>That's "Plokta" -- the rogue meme is spreading.
>
>Oops. I cut-and-pasted that list from the LOCUS web page. I've just sent
>them a correction, and cc'd it to the Aussiecon committee.
>
Ruth corrected Locus on Freddie's name last night--and got a
response back about an hour later, so I suspect it's correct there
this morning.
--
John
John Lorentz
wrote:
>On the other hand, I was quite disappointed by the Dramatic Presentation
>category. In the last year and a half or so, Star Trek: Deep Space 9 has
>turned into the best SF show on TV (and one of the best ever).
Although I think DS9's been a good series, I'm not that strong an
advocate of it. (It is, by far, the best of any of the Star Trek
universe we've seen.) However, I did feel that "Far Beyond the Stars"
was certainly one of the best (if not _the_ best) episodes the series
has had, and was really hoping it would make the ballot this year.
I'll be interested to see the final numbers, come September.
--
John
Frank
>The LOCUS web page also points out that it's unprecedented for anyone to be
>nominated three times in one category, and that moreover, if Swanwick
>doesn't win, he will vault past Michael Bishop for largest number of
>fiction Hugo nominations without winning --
Just wondering: who is keeping track of these things? Is there a web
page listing the writers who've had multiple nominations but never
won? Where is, say, Howard Waldrop in the list?
mike weber
on Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:02:45 GMT,
:
>This is, perhaps, a Hugo first: for the first time, I've not read a
>single one of the novels nominated for best novel. The odd thing is,
>the only one that I have definite plans to read is _Factoring
>Humanity_. Though I'll probably read _Darwinia_ as well.
>
I think i'll eventually get around to "To Say Nothing of the Dog" if
only because of the source of the title...
--
"Life's a game where they're bound to beat you, and time's a
trick they can turn to cheat you -- and we only waste it
anyway, that's the hell of it..." -- Paul Williams
<mike weber> <emsh...@aol.com>
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mike weber
1999 03:28:24 GMT,
>Hugo Awards Nominations
>
>Aussiecon 3, the 57th annual World Science Fiction Convention, has released
>this year's nominations for the Hugo Awards and the John W. Campbell Award
>for Best New Writer. Winners will be announced at the convention in
>Melbourne, Australia, Sept. 2 - 6, 1999.
>
Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
I've seen "The Truman Show"...
Jo Walton
erky...@netcom.com "Andrew Plotkin" writes:
> Mike Scott (mi...@moose.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> > On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> > > * Plotka, Alison Scott & Steve Davies, eds.
>
> > That's "Plokta" -- the rogue meme is spreading.
>
> I take full responsibility.
>
> --Z ("Typhoid Plotkin")
You should write an article for Plokta, it would be wonderfully confusing,
like a tongue twister.
--
Jo - - I kissed a kif at Kefk - - J...@bluejo.demon.co.uk
http://www.bluejo.demon.co.uk - Interstichia; Poetry; RASFW FAQ; etc.
Evelyn C. Leeper
> nominated.
Strange--I think of Hartwell as a magazine editor (NYRSF).
> On the other hand, I was quite disappointed by the Dramatic Presentation
> category. In the last year and a half or so, Star Trek: Deep Space 9 has
> turned into the best SF show on TV (and one of the best ever). There were at
> least three DS9 episodes that were better than any of the five nominess ...
They must not have played in this area. :-)
Seriously, I am glad DS9 is ending, because I feel some sort of
obligation to stay with it, but I'm just not enjoying it. (And any
time I see Vic Fontaine in the first five minutes of an episode, I
cringe.)
I wish GODS AND MONSTERS had made the list (fat chance!) or BRAVE NEW
WORLD. I can't believe STAR TREK: INSURRECTION did.
Janice Gelb
>> Hugo Awards Nominations
>>
>> * "Echea", Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Asimov's, Jul 1998)
>> * "Taklamakan", Bruce Sterling (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
>> * "Zwarte Piet's Tale", Allen Steele (Analog, Dec 1998)
>> * "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
>
>Am I the only one who thinks that trying to keep these straight without
>a crib sheet is going to be a real riot?
>
I've been sitting here pitying the poor presenter who has to
pronounce all of them...
*********************************************************************
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What if the hokey-pokey really *is* what it's all about?
Evelyn C. Leeper
Ailsa N Murphy <an...@world.std.com> wrote:
> In article <8DB0EED...@news.panix.com>,
> >
> >Best Professional Editor
> > * Patrick Nielsen Hayden
> >
> >Best Fanzine
> > * Ansible, Dave Langford, ed.
> >
> >Best Fan Writer
> > * Evelyn C. Leeper
> > * Maureen Kincaid Speller
> >
> This is my fist time seriously looking over a Hugo nominees
> list, so I have no idea if you all make a habit of this or
> not, but congratulations.
Langford certainly makes a habit of it. (He's won 12 times, including
every year since 1989.)
The rest of us are attempting to make a habit of it. :-)
P Nielsen Hayden
> Ruth corrected Locus on Freddie's name last night--and got a
>response back about an hour later, so I suspect it's correct there
>this morning.
It is; I just looked.
Samuel Paik
> > --Z ("Typhoid Plotkin")
>
> You should write an article for Plokta, it would be wonderfully
> confusing, like a tongue twister.
Plotkin's Plonk Plokta Plot--what happens when you press lots
of keys to abort but hit the wrong keys.
--
Samuel S. Paik | http://www.webnexus.com/users/paik/
3D and multimedia, architecture and implementation
Solyent Green is kitniyot!
Brad Templeton
>In article <7fppkc$lh0$1...@newshost.transarc.com>,
>Jim Mann <jm...@transarc.com> wrote:
>>On the other hand, I was quite disappointed by the Dramatic Presentation
>>category. In the last year and a half or so, Star Trek: Deep Space 9 has
>>turned into the best SF show on TV (and one of the best ever). There were at
>>probably three times that number that were better than the one Star Trek
>>item that did make the ballot -- the enjoyable but not really Hugo quality
>>Insurrection).
>
>I'd agree that a DS9 episode deserved to be on the ballot more than
>Insurrection, but my own disappointment was that last season's Buffy the
>Vampire Slayer finale didn't make it on.
Perhaps, but you're seeing a very strong year. Dark City was
excellent. The Truman Show didn't make the Academy ballot but there were
critics who named it best picture of the year (Time Magazine named it
one of the best of the decade). Pleasantville was a good movie though
not of the level of those two. Insurrection was decent Star Trek film and
of course Star Trek has a fandom.
Sleeping in Light of course might win because B5 has a fandom. Of course it
doesn't stand alone, but based on past experience fans will have trouble
considering it on its own. For many it will represent the entire series
which they wish to give an award to. Sleeping in Light did not fulfill
the requirements I would put on a Hugo winner, because it introduced
nothing. It was an ending, not a beginning.
--
Brad Templeton http://www.templetons.com/brad/
Science Fiction Weekly
<p...@panix.com> wrote:
> Mike Scott <mi...@moose.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> <372c0d21...@news.demon.co.uk>:
>
> >On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >> * Plotka, Alison Scott & Steve Davies, eds.
> >
> >That's "Plokta" -- the rogue meme is spreading.
>
> Oops. I cut-and-pasted that list from the LOCUS web page. I've just sent
> them a correction, and cc'd it to the Aussiecon committee.
And in Fan Artist Freddie Bauer is Freddie Baer. (Mark told me about this
one, so he already knows.)
Tom Galloway
>Langford certainly makes a habit of it. (He's won 12 times, including
>every year since 1989.)
With no offense to him, I'm honestly baffled why this is so. I just don't
see his fanwriting as being *that* significantly better than everyone else's
for the entirity of the last decade. I'm not saying I don't think his work
is Hugo quality, but that in any given year it wouldn't have surprised me if
someone else had won based on my opinions of the work. If I look at other
notable Hugo streaks, such as Whalen or Dozois', they just seem a lot more
understandable to me.
tyg t...@netcom.com
Doug Wickstrom
weber) caught my attention by saying:
>P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> is alleged to have said, on 23 Apr
>1999 03:28:24 GMT,
>:
>>Hugo Awards Nominations
>>
>>Aussiecon 3, the 57th annual World Science Fiction Convention, has released
>>this year's nominations for the Hugo Awards and the John W. Campbell Award
>>for Best New Writer. Winners will be announced at the convention in
>>Melbourne, Australia, Sept. 2 - 6, 1999.
>>
>
>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
>
>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"In a country where the sole employer is the State, opposition
means death by slow starvation. The old principle: who does
not work shall not eat, has been replaced by a new one:
who does not obey shall not eat." --Leon Trotsky
David G. Bell
b...@templetons.com "Brad Templeton" writes:
> Sleeping in Light of course might win because B5 has a fandom. Of course it
> doesn't stand alone, but based on past experience fans will have trouble
> considering it on its own. For many it will represent the entire series
> which they wish to give an award to. Sleeping in Light did not fulfill
> the requirements I would put on a Hugo winner, because it introduced
> nothing. It was an ending, not a beginning.
I think that's a fair summary of the episode and the problem. US TV
does seem to have moved away from a series of essentially interchangable
episodes (for instance, the notorious reset switch of Star Trek plots)
towards a spreading of stories over multiple episodes. B5 takes that to
an extreme, without quite managing to look like a single multi-part
dramatisation. The rules on Dramatic Presentation begin to look a
little awkward.
Sleeping in Light isn't Hugo material if you regard it in isolation from
the preceding 5 years of Babylon 5. I'm not sure that the fifth season,
taken as a whole, is so much better. But if one episode from 1998 ends
up as a symbol for the whole story, it might as well be that one.
I don't think you should be surprised that B5 fans "will have trouble
considering it on its own." Most episodes of B6 were not written to be
considered on their own.
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
Sue Mason
All I have to say is D. West. About bloody time.
--
Sue Mason
s...@arctic-fox.freeserve.co.uk
Maureen Kincaid Speller
wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:07:23 GMT, kras...@mindspring.com (mike
>weber) caught my attention by saying:
>
>>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
>>
>>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
>
>Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
Maureen
Maureen Kincaid Speller
Folkestone, Kent, UK
m...@acnestis.demon.co.uk & http://www.acnestis.demon.co.uk/
Maureen Kincaid Speller
I think Dave would not mind my saying that a certain ubiquity has
surely got something to do with it. _Ansible_ is widely distributed in
its paper and electronic form. I often suspect that for many people it
is perhaps their only real contact with a written fandom, they
recognise the name when they see it on the ballot, and they vote
accordingly.
Maureen Kincaid Speller
Leeper) wrote:
>In article <FAnAI...@world.std.com>,
>Ailsa N Murphy <an...@world.std.com> wrote:
>> In article <8DB0EED...@news.panix.com>,
>> P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >Hugo Awards Nominations
>> >
>> >Best Professional Editor
>> > * Patrick Nielsen Hayden
>> >
>> >Best Fanzine
>> > * Ansible, Dave Langford, ed.
>> >
>> >Best Fan Writer
>> > * Dave Langford
>> > * Evelyn C. Leeper
>> > * Maureen Kincaid Speller
>> >
>> Wow, look at all the people I know or know of on the list. B)
>> This is my fist time seriously looking over a Hugo nominees
>> list, so I have no idea if you all make a habit of this or
>> not, but congratulations.
>
>Langford certainly makes a habit of it. (He's won 12 times, including
>every year since 1989.)
>
>The rest of us are attempting to make a habit of it. :-)
One of us is still having immense trouble coming to terms with it, I
assure you!
Scott Drellishak
) [snip]
)Best Novelette
) * "Taklamakan", Bruce Sterling (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
I'd like to nominate him for Coolest Title -- I have a soft spot in my
heart for the word "Taklamakan".
ObSF: In Carter and de Camp's Conan story "The City of Skulls", the
Talakma Mountains (found far to the east, north of the Himelias). Anybody
know whether they're Carter's invention or de Camp's?
--
/ Scott Drellishak \
| "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced." |
\ "Perfect paranoia is perfect awareness." /
Paul Kincaid
<s...@nwlink.com> writes
>In article <8DB157D...@news.panix.com>,
>P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>)Bruce Sterling did pretty well, too:
>) [snip]
>)Best Novelette
>) * "Taklamakan", Bruce Sterling (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
>
>I'd like to nominate him for Coolest Title -- I have a soft spot in my
>heart for the word "Taklamakan".
>
>ObSF: In Carter and de Camp's Conan story "The City of Skulls", the
>Talakma Mountains (found far to the east, north of the Himelias). Anybody
>know whether they're Carter's invention or de Camp's?
Well, Taklamakan is an area in China (where they've found the mummies of
fair-skinned, round-eyed people). So it is far to the East and north of
the Himalayas. So my guess is that Carter or de Camp was just playing
round with the names they found in an atlas.
--
Paul Kincaid
GUFF delegate
gu...@appomattox.demon.co.uk
Lawrence Watt-Evans
<pa...@appomattox.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <7fsa40$1...@utah.nwlink.com>, Scott Drellishak
><s...@nwlink.com> writes
>>
>>ObSF: In Carter and de Camp's Conan story "The City of Skulls", the
>>Talakma Mountains (found far to the east, north of the Himelias). Anybody
>>know whether they're Carter's invention or de Camp's?
>
>Well, Taklamakan is an area in China (where they've found the mummies of
>fair-skinned, round-eyed people). So it is far to the East and north of
>the Himalayas. So my guess is that Carter or de Camp was just playing
>round with the names they found in an atlas.
Given de Camp's history -- including visiting imperial China as a kid
-- I'd bet that (a) it was de Camp, not Carter, and (b) he didn't pick
it out of an atlas.
--
The Misenchanted Page: http://www.sff.net/people/LWE/ Last update 3/21/99
Thomas Womack
>Hugo Awards Nominations
I seem to recall that, last year at least, the Hugo candidates for
Novella, Novelette and Short Story were available as full text on one of
the major SF web sites; is it known whether someone's doing that this
year?
[presumably voting would cost me £25 for a Worldcon supporting
membership, which I'd much rather spend on getting some of the nominated
novels!]
Tom
Sharon L Sbarsky
Maureen Kincaid Speller <m...@acnestis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:53:13 GMT, t...@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) wrote:
>
>>In article <7fqmm9$b9...@news.research.bell-labs.com> ele...@lucent.com writes:
>>>every year since 1989.)
>>
>>see his fanwriting as being *that* significantly better than everyone else's
>>for the entirity of the last decade. I'm not saying I don't think his work
>>is Hugo quality, but that in any given year it wouldn't have surprised me if
>>someone else had won based on my opinions of the work. If I look at other
>>notable Hugo streaks, such as Whalen or Dozois', they just seem a lot more
>>understandable to me.
>>
>I think Dave would not mind my saying that a certain ubiquity has
>surely got something to do with it. _Ansible_ is widely distributed in
>its paper and electronic form. I often suspect that for many people it
>is perhaps their only real contact with a written fandom, they
>recognise the name when they see it on the ballot, and they vote
>accordingly.
>
always win.
Sharon
Evelyn C. Leeper
I actually compiled a few of these three or four years ago, and Mike
Glyer picked them up, so it may have been me.
Current interesting statistics for fiction categories:
Silverberg has the most nominations, 23. Ellison and Willis have 18
each; LeGuin has 17. Niven has 14 solo nominations, 4 shared with
Pournelle, and 1 shared with Steve Barnes.
Bishop and Swanwick have each been nominated 9 times (solo) without a win.
Swanwick also has a joint nomination with Gibson. Wolfe has 8.
(Waldrop has six nominations, no wins.)
Anderson has the most Hugos, 7. Ellison, Leiber, Willis, and zelazny
each have 6. (Ellison also has a share in the DP Hugo for "City on the
Edge of Forever.")
Mary Kay Kare
p.mcc...@worldnet.att.net (Pete McCutchen) wrote:
> On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >Hugo Awards Nominations
> >
> >Aussiecon 3, the 57th annual World Science Fiction Convention, has released
> >this year's nominations for the Hugo Awards and the John W. Campbell Award
> >for Best New Writer. Winners will be announced at the convention in
> >Melbourne, Australia, Sept. 2 - 6, 1999.
> >
> >Best Novel
> > * Children of God, Mary Doria Russell (Villard)
> > * Darwinia, Robert Charles Wilson (Tor)
> > * Distraction, Bruce Sterling (Bantam Spectra)
> > * Factoring Humanity, Robert J. Sawyer (Tor)
> > * To Say Nothing of the Dog, Connie Willis (Bantam Spectra)
>
> This is, perhaps, a Hugo first: for the first time, I've not read a
> single one of the novels nominated for best novel. The odd thing is,
> the only one that I have definite plans to read is _Factoring
> Humanity_. Though I'll probably read _Darwinia_ as well.
>
I have the Russell novel, though I haven't gotten to yet. However, I very
much liked the previous novel and expect to feel the same about this one.
I probably won't read the Willis as she's one of my blind spots. The
others I haven't read though a couple of them are likelies.
> <snip>
>
> >Best Dramatic Presentation
> > * Babylon 5: "Sleeping in Light"
> > * Dark City
> > * Pleasantville
> > * Star Trek: Insurrection
> > * The Truman Show
>
> It would almost be worth paying for the membership, even though I'm
> not going to Australia, just to vote against "Sleeping In Light."
Oh, no. Vote against Dark City. I watched it with some friends last
night. Out of about 8 or 10, only one person liked it and I found it
actively offensive. The only women in it existed merely to be victims
except the one who existed solely to be a prize. It was full of gigantic
blatant phallic symbols and the so-called plot had no coherence at all.
How, exactly, did Our Hero get the ability to do that odd mind power thing
that only the nasty aliens were supposed to be able to do? Ick, ick, and
more ick. Furthermore, the deep question proposed about identity struck
me as college sophomore bull session variety. And depth.
MK
--
Mary Kay Kare
"That cow had my name on it." Fox Mulder
Mary Kay Kare
> In article b9...@news.research.bell-labs.com,
ele...@allegra.tempo.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
> >> Hugo Awards Nominations
> >>
> >> * "Echea", Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Asimov's, Jul 1998)
> >> * "Taklamakan", Bruce Sterling (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
> >> * "Zwarte Piet's Tale", Allen Steele (Analog, Dec 1998)
> >> * "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
> >
> >Am I the only one who thinks that trying to keep these straight without
> >a crib sheet is going to be a real riot?
> >
>
> I've been sitting here pitying the poor presenter who has to
> pronounce all of them...
That made me look at them again and realize that the Steele title would be
the easiest which led me to translate it and wonder if it had some
relationship to the Holmes story about Black Peter.
Ben Yalow
>In article <7fqmm9$b9...@news.research.bell-labs.com> ele...@lucent.com
writes:
>>Langford certainly makes a habit of it. (He's won 12 times, including
>>every year since 1989.)
>
>With no offense to him, I'm honestly baffled why this is so. I just don't
>see his fanwriting as being *that* significantly better than everyone else's
>for the entirity of the last decade. I'm not saying I don't think his work
>is Hugo quality, but that in any given year it wouldn't have surprised me if
>someone else had won based on my opinions of the work. If I look at other
>notable Hugo streaks, such as Whalen or Dozois', they just seem a lot more
>understandable to me.
YMMV.
But, for me, what sets him above everybody else (and has for years) is how
well the humor holds up.
In editing the two Langford collections for NESFA Press, I had to read, and
reread, and proofread, and reread, and ... everything that he's written for
years. And the proofreading means that's it wasn't at all uncommon to be
rereading the same thing for the tenth or twentieth time. And it was *still*
funny.
WHen a joke is still funny when you're reading it for the fifth time that
week, then it's much better than almost anything else around -- most things
just aren't funny that many times around. But Dave's work does hold up.
I don't understand the theory of humor well enough to know what he's doing
better than everyone -- but he's clearly doing it, at least for me.
>
>tyg t...@netcom.com
Ben
------
Ben Yalow yb...@panix.com
Not speaking for anybody
Kate Nepveu
ka...@sirius.com (Mary Kay Kare) wrote:
[_Children of God_]
> I have the Russell novel, though I haven't gotten to yet. However, I very
> much liked the previous novel and expect to feel the same about this one.
Alas, I hoped to as well, and I didn't; it's not a _terrible_ book,
but it tends takes disbelief and hang it from the neck until dead at
key points.
I wrote a review of it when it came out last year; I'm a little less
well-disposed to it now, having had time to mull over the flaws, but I
stand by the overall points I made.
http://www.concentric.net/~knepveu/reviews/children.html
Kate
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"Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis." | # Updated 4/24/99 #
--Ralph Waldo Emerson | # Short Reviews #
Doug Wickstrom
Kincaid Speller) caught my attention by saying:
>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:41:57 GMT, dum...@aol.com (Doug Wickstrom)
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:07:23 GMT, kras...@mindspring.com (mike
>>weber) caught my attention by saying:
>>
>
>>>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
>>>
>>>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
>>
>>Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
>
>And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
This is going to make it hard for us to vote rationally, isn't it?
--
Doug Wickstrom
"I tend to feel irritated when someone else turns out to know a fact I
thought only I knew--like invasion of private territory." --Isaac Asimov
Steven H Silver
<mert...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>P Nielsen Hayden wrote in message <8DB0EED...@news.panix.com>...
>
>>Hugo Awards Nominations
>
>I seem to recall that, last year at least, the Hugo candidates for
>Novella, Novelette and Short Story were available as full text on one of
>the major SF web sites; is it known whether someone's doing that this
>year?
http://www.sfsite.com/ hosts the Asimov, Analog and F&SF websites
(along with Tangent, Absolute Magnitude, and several others). They
posted the full text of this year's Nebula nominees from the magazines
they host, so I imagine the Hugo nominees will be up relatively soon.
Obviously the stories which are also Neb. noms (Asaro, Rusch) are
already on-line.
That would give you all except Ellen Klages's "Time Gypsy" which was
published in _Bending the Landscape: Science Fiction_.
Steven H Silver
shsi...@ameritech.net
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag
Marc Ortlieb
>
> I've been sitting here pitying the poor presenter who has to
> pronounce all of them...
>
Thank ghod it's not me this time. 1985 was bad enough with "Pless Enter"
mike weber
Apr 1999 12:18:31 -0700,
:
>ele...@allegra.tempo.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>> >> Hugo Awards Nominations
>> >>
>> >> * "Echea", Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Asimov's, Jul 1998)
>> >> * "Taklamakan", Bruce Sterling (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
>> >> * "Zwarte Piet's Tale", Allen Steele (Analog, Dec 1998)
>> >> * "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
>> >
>> >Am I the only one who thinks that trying to keep these straight without
>> >a crib sheet is going to be a real riot?
>> >
>>
>> pronounce all of them...
>
>the easiest which led me to translate it and wonder if it had some
>relationship to the Holmes story about Black Peter.
>
--
"A cat who sits on a hot stove will never sit on a hot stove
again. She will also never sit on a cold one." Mark Twain
<mike weber> <emsh...@aol.com>
Ambitious Incomplete web site: http://weberworld.virtualave.net
mike weber
said, on Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:42:50 GMT,
>On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:41:57 GMT, dum...@aol.com (Doug Wickstrom)
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:07:23 GMT, kras...@mindspring.com (mike
>>weber) caught my attention by saying:
>>
>
>>>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
>>>
>>>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
>>
>>Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
>
>And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
>
Ed Dravecky III
> On 23 Apr 1999 03:28:24 GMT, P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
> That's "Plokta" -- the rogue meme is spreading.
Wait, I thought that was the rouge meme...
--
Ed Dravecky III <*>
dshe...@netcom.com
Ray Radlein
>
> dum...@aol.com (Doug Wickstrom) wrote:
>
> >kras...@mindspring.com (mike weber) caught my attention by saying:
> >
> >>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
> >>
> >>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
> >
> >Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
>
> And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
I, uh, *own* "Three Men in a Boat." Still haven't gotten around to
reading it yet.
- Ray R.
--
************************************************************************
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"I think so, Brain, but what if hexapodia really *is* the key insight?
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homepage coming soon! wooo, wooo.
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Alter S. Reiss
> m...@acnestis.demon.co.uk (Maureen Kincaid Speller) is alleged to have
> said, on Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:42:50 GMT,
> >On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:41:57 GMT, dum...@aol.com (Doug Wickstrom)
> >wrote:
> >>weber) caught my attention by saying:
> >>
> >
> >>>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
> >>>
> >>>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
> >>
> >>Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
> >
> >And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
> >
I've seen a boat.
--
Alter S. Reiss -------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/2129
"Are you feeling stupid? I know I am!"
-- Homer J. Simpson
John Foyster
"Alter S. Reiss" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, mike weber wrote:
> > m...@acnestis.demon.co.uk (Maureen Kincaid Speller) is alleged to have
> > said, on Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:42:50 GMT,
> > >On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:41:57 GMT, dum...@aol.com (Doug Wickstrom)
> > >wrote:
> > >>On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:07:23 GMT, kras...@mindspring.com (mike
> > >>weber) caught my attention by saying:
> > >>
> > >
> > >>>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
> > >>>
> > >>>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
> > >>
> > >>Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
> > >
> > >And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
> > >
> > I've seen the film...
>
> I've seen a boat.
>
Courtney's?
John Foyster
Maureen Kincaid Speller
<r...@learnlink.emory.edu> wrote:
>Maureen Kincaid Speller wrote:
>>
>> dum...@aol.com (Doug Wickstrom) wrote:
>>
>> >kras...@mindspring.com (mike weber) caught my attention by saying:
>> >
>> >>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
>> >>
>> >>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
>> >
>> >Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
>>
>> And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
>
>I, uh, *own* "Three Men in a Boat." Still haven't gotten around to
>reading it yet.
>
Shame on you. It's such fun.
Marc Ortlieb
> "Alter S. Reiss" wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, mike weber wrote:
> > > m...@acnestis.demon.co.uk (Maureen Kincaid Speller) is alleged to have
> > > said, on Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:42:50 GMT,
> > > >On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:41:57 GMT, dum...@aol.com (Doug Wickstrom)
> > > >wrote:
> > > >>On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:07:23 GMT, kras...@mindspring.com (mike
> > > >>weber) caught my attention by saying:
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >>>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
> > > >>
> > > >>Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
> > > >
> > > >And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
> > > >
> > > I've seen the film...
> >
> > I've seen a boat.
> >
>
> Courtney's?
>
> John Foyster
I've sawed Courtney's boat? That's bad grammar Mr Foyster.
Marcus L. Rowland
Speller <m...@acnestis.demon.co.uk> writes
>>I, uh, *own* "Three Men in a Boat." Still haven't gotten around to
>>reading it yet.
>>
>Shame on you. It's such fun.
I went to the same school as Jerome K. Jerome, but for some reason there
was no real recognition of his comic talent there; no prizes named after
him, or anything of that sort. I think they must have felt that it was a
little too "low"; the place was a grammar school trying very hard to act
like a public school (I won't try to explain this to US readers).
My favourite bit of Jerome comes from The Idler, a magazine he edited
for several years. It isn't an article or story, just a little plug for
one of Willam Hope Hodgson's horror stories:
. . .
ANNOUNCEMENTS
Complaints continue to reach us from all parts of the country to the
effect that Mr. W. HOPE HODGESON's "Carnacki" stories are producing a
widespread epidemic of Nervous Prostration! So far from being able to
reassure or calm our nervous readers, we are compelled to warn them that
"The Whistling Room", which we publish this month, is worse than ever.
Our advertising manager had to go to bed for two days after reading the
advance sheets; a proof reader has sent in his resignation; and, worst
of all, our smartest office boy --- But this is no place to bewail or
seek for sympathy. Yet another of those stories will appear in April!
. . .
I think that's lovely.
--
Marcus L. Rowland
http://www.ffutures.demon.co.uk/ http://www.forgottenfutures.com/
"We are all victims of this slime. They... ...fill our mailboxes with gibberish
that would get them indicted if people had time to press charges"
[Hunter S. Thompson predicts junk e-mail, 1985 (from Generation of Swine)]
Laurie D. T. Mann
> Oh, no. Vote against Dark City. I watched it with some friends last
> night. Out of about 8 or 10, only one person liked it and I found it
> actively offensive. The only women in it existed merely to be victims
> except the one who existed solely to be a prize. It was full of gigantic
> blatant phallic symbols and the so-called plot had no coherence at all.
> How, exactly, did Our Hero get the ability to do that odd mind power thing
> that only the nasty aliens were supposed to be able to do? Ick, ick, and
> more ick. Furthermore, the deep question proposed about identity struck
> me as college sophomore bull session variety. And depth.
The problem I had with Dark City is that it is one of the STUPIDEST
movies I have ever seen. It is interesting to look at, but the plot
is just so...so...plotless.
I'm voting for The Truman Show. One of the best-realized fantasy
worlds ever (even if it does look suspiciously like a planned
community of the 1990s).
--
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Dead People Server ** Trivia Maven ** http://dpsinfo.com
Nebula Awards Weekend http://www.sfwa.org/awards/current.htm
Evelyn C. Leeper
Sharon L Sbarsky <sba...@world.std.com> wrote:
> In article <37918dff....@news.demon.co.uk>,
> Maureen Kincaid Speller <m...@acnestis.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:53:13 GMT, t...@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) wrote:
> >
> >>In article <7fqmm9$b9...@news.research.bell-labs.com> ele...@lucent.com writes:
> >>>Langford certainly makes a habit of it. (He's won 12 times, including
> >>>every year since 1989.)
> >>
> >>With no offense to him, I'm honestly baffled why this is so. I just don't
> >>see his fanwriting as being *that* significantly better than everyone else's
> >>for the entirity of the last decade. I'm not saying I don't think his work
> >>is Hugo quality, but that in any given year it wouldn't have surprised me if
> >>someone else had won based on my opinions of the work. If I look at other
> >>notable Hugo streaks, such as Whalen or Dozois', they just seem a lot more
> >>understandable to me.
> >>
> >surely got something to do with it. _Ansible_ is widely distributed in
> >its paper and electronic form. I often suspect that for many people it
> >is perhaps their only real contact with a written fandom, they
> >recognise the name when they see it on the ballot, and they vote
> >accordingly.
> >
> However, Dave has a winning streak as Fan Writer, but _Ansible_ doesn't
> always win.
In my (humble, not-so-humble, biased--choose one) opinion, Dave's best
writing (that Ben Yalow refers to down a different branch of this
discussion) is *not* what appears in ANSIBLE. I found LET'S HEAR IT
FOR THE DEAF MAN excellent, but ANSIBLE doesn't really do it for me.
(I suspect if I were more connected to the UK, or fandom personalities,
or both, it might.)
But my track record indicates that I'm somewhere out on the edge of the
bell curve in writing (and taste, presumably). I tend to get all my
votes in the first round and then sit there. In other words, people
either really like my writing, or really dislike it. I have apparently
avoided the fault cited in Revelation 3:15-16 ("I know thy works, that
thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then
because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee
out of my mouth."). However, it appears that this is bad advice for
those trying to appeal to a wide audience. (It is, however, a
reasonable description of many Americans' reaction to British beer.
:-) )
This voting pattern is so unusual as to actually warrant a comment
on it one year in LOCUS.
This doesn't surprise me, by the way. What I write--convention
reports described by fellow Hugo nominee Bob Devney as "sheer
dementedly detailed overkill coverage of what seems like every
picosecond of every panel she attends"--is not to everyone's taste.
Which is a roundabout way of saying that I'm not sure why Dave wins
every year, but I'm reasonably sure that I'm not going to find the
answer by looking at my own tastes.
Evelyn C. Leeper
Thomas Womack <mert...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> I seem to recall that, last year at least, the Hugo candidates for
> Novella, Novelette and Short Story were available as full text on one of
> the major SF web sites; is it known whether someone's doing that this
> year?
Well, in the US, Sterling's two shorter works will be in a new
*mass-market* collection of his coming out in June, A GOOD
OLD-FASHIONED FUTURE (Bantam). It also has two other Hugo-nominated
works, "Deep Eddy" and "Bicycle Repairman" (which won).
Even if they're available on-line (which would be only temporarily),
this collection is probably a must-buy.
Evelyn C. Leeper
Steven H Silver <shsi...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> http://www.sfsite.com/ hosts the Asimov, Analog and F&SF websites
> (along with Tangent, Absolute Magnitude, and several others). They
> posted the full text of this year's Nebula nominees from the magazines
> they host, so I imagine the Hugo nominees will be up relatively soon.
> Obviously the stories which are also Neb. noms (Asaro, Rusch) are
> already on-line.
>
> That would give you all except Ellen Klages's "Time Gypsy" which was
> published in _Bending the Landscape: Science Fiction_.
And Ted Chiang's "Story of Your Life" and Robert Charles Wilson's
"Divided by Infinity" from STARLIGHT 2.
Andrew Plotkin
> Mary Kay Kare wrote:
> > Oh, no. Vote against Dark City. I watched it with some friends last
> > night. Out of about 8 or 10, only one person liked it and I found it
> The problem I had with Dark City is that it is one of the STUPIDEST
> movies I have ever seen. It is interesting to look at, but the plot
> is just so...so...plotless.
I liked it a lot, contrariwise. There was a plot from where I was
standing. It was a mystery story.
My opinion went up several more notches when I saw the version shown at
Worldcon (Baltimore), which did *not* have the introductory voice-over at
the beginning. (An impressive demonstration of idiotic Hollywood
movie-abuse -- give away the ending to a mystery-plot at the beginning,
because the audience might not get it.)
But I like _Dark City_ even before I saw that version.
And then, of course, _The Matrix_ came along, which did all the same
things, only stupider and shallower and more manipulatively. Heh.
> I'm voting for The Truman Show. One of the best-realized fantasy
> worlds ever (even if it does look suspiciously like a planned
> community of the 1990s).
Yes, I liked that too. More cleverness. Did I have as much fun, overall?
If I was a Hugo voter this year, I might have to decide, but I'm not. :)
--Z
--
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the
borogoves..."
Aaron Bergman
Plotkin) wrote:
>And then, of course, _The Matrix_ came along, which did all the same
>things, only stupider and shallower and more manipulatively. Heh.
But it was vastly cooler.
The movies had entirely different goals. They both succeeded very well.
Aaron
--
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<http://www.princeton.edu/~abergman/>
Martin Wisse
>In article <7fqkda$dq6$1...@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, jan...@eng.sun.com wrote:
>
>> In article b9...@news.research.bell-labs.com,
>ele...@allegra.tempo.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>> >> Hugo Awards Nominations
>> >>
>> >> * "Echea", Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Asimov's, Jul 1998)
>> >> * "Taklamakan", Bruce Sterling (Asimov's, Oct/Nov 1998)
>> >> * "Zwarte Piet's Tale", Allen Steele (Analog, Dec 1998)
>> >> * "Maneki Neko", Bruce Sterling (F&SF, May 1998)
>> >
>> >Am I the only one who thinks that trying to keep these straight without
>> >a crib sheet is going to be a real riot?
>> >
>>
>> I've been sitting here pitying the poor presenter who has to
>> pronounce all of them...
>
>That made me look at them again and realize that the Steele title would be
>the easiest which led me to translate it and wonder if it had some
>relationship to the Holmes story about Black Peter.
It makes me wonder if it has anything to do with Sinterkalaas and if so, if he
ever visited Holland. (Allen Steele that is.) Must look up that issue of
Analog.
Martin Wisse
Mitch Wagner
> The problem I had with Dark City is that it is one of the STUPIDEST
> movies I have ever seen. It is interesting to look at, but the plot
> is just so...so...plotless.
>
> I'm voting for The Truman Show. One of the best-realized fantasy
> worlds ever (even if it does look suspiciously like a planned
> community of the 1990s).
Hmph.
Whereas I found "Dark City" to be a beautiful, thoughtful unique and at
times breathtaking movie.
"The Truman Show" seemed to me to be derivative and trite. Sitting
through "The Truman Show" was like having a snotty grad student lecture
you about watching too much television (to paraphrase a movie review I
enjoyed).
"The Truman Show"'s biggest sin was its predictability. From the set-up
at the beginning, it was obvious what would happen at the end.
"Pleasantville" dealt with the same subject matter in a much more
intelligent fashion, and "EDtv" did it best of all.
--
mitch w. thri...@sff.net
http://www.sff.net/people/mitchw
''He stood six feet four at least and exhibited more postures and attitudes of
masculinity than are necessary except in times of national emergency.'' - P.J.
O'Rourke
Mitch Wagner
> On the one hand, I rented "Dark City" yesterday and I rather liked it.
> I especially liked the notion that these poor saps had absolutely no
> recollection of where they had been kidnapped from, nor how to get
> back. Nor would they ever be able to discover this informtion. For
> all they knew, what they had now was everything they had ever had, or
> ever *could* have. There is something particularly poignant in that,
> in my view. Talk about Lost In Space. I also liked it whenever
> somebody was asked to call up a specific memory (of, say, how to get
> to "Shell Beach") and they would start the task with confidence, and
> then dribble out into confusion. This, I imagine, speaks to specific
> fears of mine regarding how vulnerable my own life really is, inasmuch
> as so much of it (all but the present moment, and my hopes and dreams
> of the future) really *does* exist only in my memory. Moment to
> moment, I have confidence that I have been alive all these years. I
> dasn't consider even for a moment that any portion of my life will go
> the moment my memory of that portion cannot be recalled.
Exactly so.
If you get a chance to see it on the big screen, do so. It's
breathtaking that way.
Mary Kay Kare
> Mary Kay Kare wrote:
> > Oh, no. Vote against Dark City. I watched it with some friends last
> > night. Out of about 8 or 10, only one person liked it and I found it
> > actively offensive. The only women in it existed merely to be victims
> > except the one who existed solely to be a prize. It was full of gigantic
> > blatant phallic symbols and the so-called plot had no coherence at all.
> > How, exactly, did Our Hero get the ability to do that odd mind power thing
> > that only the nasty aliens were supposed to be able to do? Ick, ick, and
> > more ick. Furthermore, the deep question proposed about identity struck
> > me as college sophomore bull session variety. And depth.
>
> The problem I had with Dark City is that it is one of the STUPIDEST
> movies I have ever seen. It is interesting to look at, but the plot
> is just so...so...plotless.
Indeed it is. Stupid *and* offensive. So who wants to add the next adjective?
>
> I'm voting for The Truman Show. One of the best-realized fantasy
> worlds ever (even if it does look suspiciously like a planned
> community of the 1990s).
I have a Dark Suspicion I may vote No Award in this category.
Andrew Plotkin
> In article <erkyrathF...@netcom.com>, erky...@netcom.com (Andrew
> Plotkin) wrote:
> >And then, of course, _The Matrix_ came along, which did all the same
> >things, only stupider and shallower and more manipulatively. Heh.
> But it was vastly cooler.
I thought not so.
> The movies had entirely different goals.
I thought they were much the same goals, except for the obvious difference
-- explosions and slow-motion head-butting.
Mary Kay Kare
> Laurie D. T. Mann (lm...@city-net.com) wrote:
> > Mary Kay Kare wrote:
> > > Oh, no. Vote against Dark City. I watched it with some friends last
> > > night. Out of about 8 or 10, only one person liked it and I found it
> > > actively offensive. [...]
>
> > The problem I had with Dark City is that it is one of the STUPIDEST
> > movies I have ever seen. It is interesting to look at, but the plot
> > is just so...so...plotless.
>
> I liked it a lot, contrariwise. There was a plot from where I was
> standing. It was a mystery story.
But, but, but. Okay. Why/how did Our Hero get his mystery powers? You
know, that funny forehead thing that only aliens had? How did the chief
bad guy alien know where to find him at the end? For that matter, how did
the detective and John's erstwhile wife know where to find him? Why did
the aliens think finding out about humans would make them immortal when
humans are clearly mortal? Why do movie makers keep re-making
Frankenstein? Why did Kiefer Sutherland keep gasping out his words in
little clumps like that?
I'll grant you that Hurt was good, but then he usually is, imo.
Aaron Bergman
>Aaron Bergman (aber...@princeton.edu) wrote:
>> In article <erkyrathF...@netcom.com>, erky...@netcom.com (Andrew
>> Plotkin) wrote:
>
>> >And then, of course, _The Matrix_ came along, which did all the same
>> >things, only stupider and shallower and more manipulatively. Heh.
>
>> But it was vastly cooler.
>
>I thought not so.
>
>> The movies had entirely different goals.
>
>I thought they were much the same goals, except for the obvious difference
>-- explosions and slow-motion head-butting.
Exactly. Dark City did a decent job at some philosophy and general angst.
The Matrix was a cool action movie with some freshman year philosophy as
its plot. The movies aren't even directly comparable. Apples and oranges
and all that.
The most comparable thing about them was the cinematography which was
excellent for each of them keeping in mind the differing goals. You can't
take a movie like The Matrix seriously -- you just have to get in the
right mood and let the movie work. Willful suspension of disbelief, you
know.
Rich Horton
Wisse) wrote:
>It makes me wonder if it has anything to do with Sinterkalaas and if so, if he
>ever visited Holland. (Allen Steele that is.) Must look up that issue of
>Analog.
Got it in one.
--
Rich Horton
Homepage: www.sff.net/people/richard.horton
Visit Tangent Online (www.sfsite.com/tangent) for timely reviews of SF short fiction
Marilee J. Layman
Wisse) wrote:
>It makes me wonder if it has anything to do with Sinterkalaas and if so, if he
>ever visited Holland. (Allen Steele that is.) Must look up that issue of
>Analog.
This is the right answer, pretty much, but I don't think Allen has
been to Holland.
--
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Marilee J. Layman
<r...@learnlink.emory.edu> wrote:
>Maureen Kincaid Speller wrote:
>>
>> dum...@aol.com (Doug Wickstrom) wrote:
>>
>> >kras...@mindspring.com (mike weber) caught my attention by saying:
>> >
>> >>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
>> >>
>> >>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
>> >
>> >Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
>>
>> And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
>
>I, uh, *own* "Three Men in a Boat." Still haven't gotten around to
>reading it yet.
I have the e-text of TMiaB and plan to read it before TSNotD.
Bob Webber
: m...@acnestis.demon.co.uk (Maureen Kincaid Speller) is alleged to have
: said, on Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:42:50 GMT,
: >On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 06:41:57 GMT, dum...@aol.com (Doug Wickstrom)
: >wrote:
: >
: >>On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:07:23 GMT, kras...@mindspring.com (mike
: >>weber) caught my attention by saying:
: >>
: >
: >>>Oh, man, am *I* out of it.
: >>>
: >>>I've seen "The Truman Show"...
: >>
: >>Yeah. Well, I've read _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.
: >
: >And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
: I've seen the film...
I've been in a boat with two other men...
--
And this is how you can be walking
And falling
At the same time.
-- Laurie Anderson
Martin Wisse
>I have the e-text of TMiaB and plan to read it before TSNotD.
E-texts are neat for this sort of thing, eh? Easier to just download a copy then
to remain motivated enough to buy it in the bookshop, or even remember
to buy it.
I've read Three Men in a Boat some years ago, when my father had to read it for
the English course he was following. Very nice book.
(Related url: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/books.html the on-line books page.)
Martin Wisse
Lenny Bailes
>
> In article <37231819...@city-net.com>, lm...@city-net.com says...
>
> > The problem I had with Dark City is that it is one of the STUPIDEST
> > movies I have ever seen. It is interesting to look at, but the plot
> > is just so...so...plotless.
> >
> > worlds ever (even if it does look suspiciously like a planned
> > community of the 1990s).
>
>
> Whereas I found "Dark City" to be a beautiful, thoughtful unique and at
> times breathtaking movie.
>
> "The Truman Show" seemed to me to be derivative and trite. Sitting
> through "The Truman Show" was like having a snotty grad student lecture
> you about watching too much television (to paraphrase a movie review I
> enjoyed).
>
> "The Truman Show"'s biggest sin was its predictability. From the set-up
> at the beginning, it was obvious what would happen at the end.
>
> "Pleasantville" dealt with the same subject matter in a much more
> intelligent fashion, and "EDtv" did it best of all.
>
I thought "EDtv" was kind of heavy-handed. Fun for the skillfully directed
mugging-at-the camera during the first 45 minutes and then algorithmically
predictable for the second half of the movie: a well-crafted
propaganda vehicle for itself. By comparision, I felt "The Truman Show"
had more ambitious editorial content with less blatantly manipulative
direction. (Truman is unsubtle, but the direction/acting in it strikes me as
having more internal honesty than "EDtv.")
---
Lenny Bailes | len...@slip.net | http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~lennyb
Samuel Paik
> It ain't much, but it's a record. Baseball fans collect even
> siller ones.
K-Mac's Nebula statistics article is a humourous article
applying baseball metaphors to the Nebula awards.
http://www.sff.net/people/K-Mac/nebula.htm
Sam
--
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3D and multimedia, architecture and implementation
Solyent Green is kitniyot!
Ulrika
(Maureen Kincaid Speller) writes:
>And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
Well, I've *bought* _Three Men in a Boat_...
(okay, and I've read -To Say Nothing of the Dog-, and I've
certainly admired the spine of -Children of God- many times
as it lies there on the shelf, but as I haven't read -The Sparrow-
yet, and need to get on with -A Man in Full- for my book group
[ye gods, I've joined a book group], it may be a while yet.)
"Yes, indeed, the Lord is a shoving leopard." -- Rev. W.A. Spooner
** Ulrika O'Brien-...@aol.com**
P Nielsen Hayden
<7ft1gb$b9...@news.research.bell-labs.com>:
[esoteric Hugo statistics snipped]
I believe that Teresa and I share an extremely rarified Hugo "record" with
Charles N. Brown. Unless I've missed someone, we're the only three people
to have been nominated in four _different_ categories exclusive of the
fiction categories.
Teresa and Charlie have been nominated in the fanwriter, fanzine,
semiprozine and nonfiction book categories. I've been nominated in
fanzine, fanwriter, semiprozine and professional editor.
It ain't much, but it's a record. Baseball fans collect even siller ones.
--
Patrick Nielsen Hayden : p...@panix.com : http://www.panix.com/~pnh
P Nielsen Hayden
-044.sirius.net>:
>Oh, no. Vote against Dark City. I watched it with some friends last
>night. Out of about 8 or 10, only one person liked it and I found it
>actively offensive. The only women in it existed merely to be victims
>except the one who existed solely to be a prize. It was full of gigantic
>blatant phallic symbols and the so-called plot had no coherence at all.
Teresa and I enjoyed it quite a bit, actually. As for "gigantic blatant
pghallic symbols" -- well, first, most things are either concave or convex;
second, not all convex things are phallic symbols; third, it's difficult to
understand what's automatically offensive about things that are. Nu?
I'm actually less inclined to argue about DARK CITY than I am struck by the
fact that, even here in rec.arts.sf.fandom and rec.arts.sf.written, there's
more argument and discussion about the Dramatic Hugo nominees than about
the nominees in any other category. I have this wacky idea that perhaps
instead of whinging about how terrible the movies are, more people could
try some of the stories and books. Really, some of them are pretty good.
Tom Galloway
P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>Teresa and Charlie have been nominated in the fanwriter, fanzine,
>semiprozine and nonfiction book categories. I've been nominated in
>fanzine, fanwriter, semiprozine and professional editor.
>
>It ain't much, but it's a record. Baseball fans collect even siller ones.
So, do you do better in the voting with right handed or left handed fans?
tyg t...@Netcom.com
Ray Radlein
>
> Evelyn C. Leeper <ele...@lucent.com> wrote in
> <7ft1gb$b9...@news.research.bell-labs.com>:
>
> [esoteric Hugo statistics snipped]
>
> I believe that Teresa and I share an extremely rarified Hugo "record"
> with Charles N. Brown. Unless I've missed someone, we're the only
> three people to have been nominated in four _different_ categories
> exclusive of the fiction categories.
>
> semiprozine and nonfiction book categories. I've been nominated in
> fanzine, fanwriter, semiprozine and professional editor.
>
> It ain't much, but it's a record. Baseball fans collect even siller
> ones.
Have either of you thought about doing more artwork? Or, failing that,
trying to hit a home run in more than four consecutive games from the
start of a season?
- Ray R.
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"I think so, Brain, but what if hexapodia really *is* the key insight?
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homepage coming soon! wooo, wooo.
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Greg Egan
shsi...@ameritech.net (Steven H Silver) wrote:
[snip]
> http://www.sfsite.com/ hosts the Asimov, Analog and F&SF websites
> (along with Tangent, Absolute Magnitude, and several others). They
> posted the full text of this year's Nebula nominees from the magazines
> they host, so I imagine the Hugo nominees will be up relatively soon.
> Obviously the stories which are also Neb. noms (Asaro, Rusch) are
> already on-line.
I've placed the full text of my two nominated stories, "Oceanic" and "The
Planck Dive", on my own web site, <http://www.netspace.net/au/~gregegan/>
To go to the stories directly:
<http://www.netspace.net.au/~gregegan/OCEANIC/Complete/Oceanic.html>
<http://www.netspace.net.au/~gregegan/PLANCK/Complete/Planck.html>
"The Planck Dive" is accompanied by some illustrations, a Java applet that
generates the view from near a black hole, and some technical notes on the
physics.
--
Greg Egan
Email address (remove name of animal and add standard punctuation):
gregegan netspace zebra net au
Nancy Lebovitz
Aaron Bergman <aber...@princeton.edu> wrote:
>
>Exactly. Dark City did a decent job at some philosophy and general angst.
>The Matrix was a cool action movie with some freshman year philosophy as
>its plot. The movies aren't even directly comparable. Apples and oranges
>and all that.
>
people I saw The Matrix with couldn't see anything wrong with the
physics of the using-people-for-batteries sequence. I didn't realize
that there were intelligent adults who don't believe in conservation
of energy--I get the impression they'd never *heard* of the conservation
of energy. Nor that the sun is a rather weak source of energy, and that
it doesn't make sense for it to be the only power source for the AIs.
OBSF: A story where people had become so specialized that they literally
spoke mutually incomprehensible languages.
And I suspect that the consequences of completely letting go of one's
notions of gravity and such might be comic at best when one was back
in the physical world.
Nancy Lebovitz
>fact that, even here in rec.arts.sf.fandom and rec.arts.sf.written, there's
>more argument and discussion about the Dramatic Hugo nominees than about
>the nominees in any other category. I have this wacky idea that perhaps
>instead of whinging about how terrible the movies are, more people could
>try some of the stories and books. Really, some of them are pretty good.
>
movies, so it's much more likely that people have movies in common.
I believe it's still possible to see all the sf movies released in
a year without straining yourself.
Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
on a Bummel(sp?)-, and a map of the Thames from the period of TMIaB,
showing pubs, locks, weirs, and electric boat charging points.
73, doug
Mitch Wagner
> I thought "EDtv" was kind of heavy-handed. Fun for the skillfully directed
> mugging-at-the camera during the first 45 minutes and then algorithmically
> predictable for the second half of the movie: a well-crafted
> propaganda vehicle for itself. By comparision, I felt "The Truman Show"
> had more ambitious editorial content with less blatantly manipulative
> direction. (Truman is unsubtle, but the direction/acting in it strikes me as
> having more internal honesty than "EDtv.")
YMMV--and does I guess. I just thought that Matthew McConaughey (sp.?),
Woody Harrelson, Jenna Elfman, Ellen Degeneres, Rob Reiner, etc. etc.
etc. delivered effortless performances, whereas "The Truman Show" seemed
to call attention to its own cleverness at every turn.
Johan Anglemark
<mwi...@ad-astra.demon.nl> wrote:
> >That made me look at them again and realize that the Steele title would be
> >the easiest which led me to translate it and wonder if it had some
> >relationship to the Holmes story about Black Peter.
>
> It makes me wonder if it has anything to do with Sinterkalaas and if so, if he
> ever visited Holland. (Allen Steele that is.) Must look up that issue of
> Analog.
I hope you meant that to read "Sinterklaas" or else I have to relearn
one of the few Dutch words I thought I knew.
-j
--
Johan Anglemark www.bahnhof.se/~anglemar
1999 Swedish National SF con sfweb.dang.se/1999.html
Damien Neil
[Matrix spoilers snipped]
Just a reminder to everyone that you should probably toss in some warnings
if you intend to talk about The Matrix's plot. Doubtless some people
here haven't seen it.
>OBSF: A story where people had become so specialized that they literally
>spoke mutually incomprehensible languages.
_The Languages of Pao_, by Brunner?
Personally, I liked The Matrix. Fun movie, did what it wanted to do with
style and panache. One major glaring physics screwup, which can be
explained away without pain. (Substitute "CPU" for where they say "battery",
and it makes more sense. ObSF: Hyperion.)
Incidentally, the web site for the movie contains several short stories
inspired by it, from various authors. One by Neil Gaiman is particularly
good, and I recommend it to anyone who has seen the movie.
http://www.whatisthematrix.com/cmp/neil_g.html
- Damien
Alison Scott
This is fair enough. But Patrick has a good point. Most of the
Hugo-nominated short fiction will be up on the web within a couple of
weeks, I should think. And it's not too hard to read the novels, once
it's down to a shortlist. So perhaps we should all go off and make
sure to read it all, and then have a good argument about it.
Me, I'm heading for Greg Egan's web page.
--
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Elspeth Kovar Burgess
> But my track record indicates that I'm somewhere out on the edge of the
> bell curve in writing (and taste, presumably). I tend to get all my
> votes in the first round and then sit there. In other words, people
> either really like my writing, or really dislike it. I have apparently
> avoided the fault cited in Revelation 3:15-16 ("I know thy works, that
> thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then
> because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee
> out of my mouth."). However, it appears that this is bad advice for
> those trying to appeal to a wide audience. (It is, however, a
> reasonable description of many Americans' reaction to British beer.
Lovely, just lovely!
Elspeth
David G. Bell
mjla...@erols.com "Marilee J. Layman" writes:
> In <37256501...@news.demon.nl>, mwi...@ad-astra.demon.nl (Martin
> Wisse) wrote:
>
> >It makes me wonder if it has anything to do with Sinterkalaas and if so, if he
> >ever visited Holland. (Allen Steele that is.) Must look up that issue of
> >Analog.
>
> This is the right answer, pretty much, but I don't think Allen has
> been to Holland.
Not even for a Worldcon?
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
David G. Bell
ali...@fuggles.demon.co.uk "Alison Scott" writes:
> na...@unix3.netaxs.com (Nancy Lebovitz) wrote:
>
> >In article <8DB3E97...@news.panix.com>,
> >P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>I'm actually less inclined to argue about DARK CITY than I am struck by the
> >>fact that, even here in rec.arts.sf.fandom and rec.arts.sf.written, there's
> >>more argument and discussion about the Dramatic Hugo nominees than about
> >>the nominees in any other category. I have this wacky idea that perhaps
> >>instead of whinging about how terrible the movies are, more people could
> >>try some of the stories and books. Really, some of them are pretty good.
> >>
> >Movies have a tremendous advantage over books--there are a lot fewer
> >movies, so it's much more likely that people have movies in common.
> >
> >I believe it's still possible to see all the sf movies released in
> >a year without straining yourself.
>
> This is fair enough. But Patrick has a good point. Most of the
> Hugo-nominated short fiction will be up on the web within a couple of
> weeks, I should think. And it's not too hard to read the novels, once
> it's down to a shortlist. So perhaps we should all go off and make
> sure to read it all, and then have a good argument about it.
>
> Me, I'm heading for Greg Egan's web page.
Yes, the written stuff is easier than the movies, in this era of
Internet Bookshops. I don't keep track of broadcast TV, but I suspect
that I'd need a satellite dish to have seen any Star Trek episode that
qualified for nomination, and film distribution can by patchy --
something which gets shown in London and a few other big cities might
not appear elsewhere.
Evelyn C. Leeper
Ulrika <ulr...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article <37908db4....@news.demon.co.uk>, m...@acnestis.demon.co.uk
> (Maureen Kincaid Speller) writes:
>
> >And I've read _Three Men in a Boat_ ...
>
> Well, I've *bought* _Three Men in a Boat_...
>
> (okay, and I've read -To Say Nothing of the Dog-, and I've
> certainly admired the spine of -Children of God- many times
> as it lies there on the shelf, but as I haven't read -The Sparrow-
> yet, and need to get on with -A Man in Full- for my book group
> [ye gods, I've joined a book group], it may be a while yet.)
I know the feeling. I'm trying to finish Harold Bloom's SHAKESPEARE: THE
INVENTION OF THE HUMAN before starting on the Hugo nominees I haven't
read yet (DISTRACTION and TO SAY NOTHING OF THE DOG, both of which I
had started but just didn't do it for me). The problem is that when I
read Bloom's comments on a play, I end up wanting to re-read the play,
and then other commentary on it, and then maybe watch the video, and
then read something that triggers....
I have seen all the Dramatic Presentations, though.
ObSF: Bloom talks about how Caliban is usually played these days as
representing someone from the Third World and in the 21st century will
probably be an alien. Guess he's never seen FORBIDDEN PLANET....
--
Evelyn C. Leeper, http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4824
"When you are trying to understand the world, it is unwise to assume
that you occupy a privileged position in it." -Jim Holt
(I have no idea why my From: line says att.com.)