[These are the sorts of things you think about while waiting in traffic for 90 minutes crossing the border to the US on the way home from TorCon and flipping around the radio dial.]
Any sufficiently advanced country music is indistinguishable from rock.
Any sufficiently advanced rock music is indistinguishable from jazz.
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Any sufficiently advanced jazz is indistinguishable from random noise. Corollary: Any sufficiently advanced random noise is indistinguishable from Yanni.
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In article <petercat-03D95A.17585307092...@syrcnyrdrs-02-ge0.nyroc.rr.com>,
PeterCat <peter...@furry.fan.org> wrote: >[These are the sorts of things you think about while waiting in traffic >for 90 minutes crossing the border to the US on the way home from TorCon >and flipping around the radio dial.]
>Any sufficiently advanced country music is indistinguishable from rock.
>Any sufficiently advanced rock music is indistinguishable from jazz.
I fear this is YMMV, since for me anything written after 1955 is indistinguishable from rock, but that doesn't make it necessarily advanced.
Dorothy J. Heydt Albany, California djhe...@kithrup.com
PeterCat <peter...@furry.fan.org> wrote in article <petercat-03D95A.17585307092...@syrcnyrdrs-02-ge0.nyroc.rr.com>:
> [These are the sorts of things you think about while waiting in traffic > for 90 minutes crossing the border to the US on the way home from TorCon > and flipping around the radio dial.] > Any sufficiently advanced country music is indistinguishable from rock. > Any sufficiently advanced rock music is indistinguishable from jazz.
I was lucky, and had only about a fifteen minute wait. Also _archy and Mehitabelle_ on the tape player. "Toujour gai, archy, toujour gai!"
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 21:59:03 GMT, PeterCat <peter...@furry.fan.org> typed
>[These are the sorts of things you think about while waiting in traffic >for 90 minutes crossing the border to the US on the way home from TorCon >and flipping around the radio dial.]
>Any sufficiently advanced country music is indistinguishable from rock.
>Any sufficiently advanced rock music is indistinguishable from jazz.
I wouldn't use the word "advanced" in either case.
"Cheesy" in the first case, and "pretentious" in the second.
(And, yes, that applies to Frank Zappa, whose music i dearly love.) -- Who would speak truth should have one foot in the stirrup. (Church bulletin board, Dunwoody GA) ========================================================== mike weber <mike.we...@electronictiger.com> Book Reviews & More -- http://electronictiger.com
>In article <petercat-03D95A.17585307092...@syrcnyrdrs-02-ge0.nyroc.rr.com>, >PeterCat <peter...@furry.fan.org> wrote: >>[These are the sorts of things you think about while waiting in traffic >>for 90 minutes crossing the border to the US on the way home from TorCon >>and flipping around the radio dial.]
>>Any sufficiently advanced country music is indistinguishable from rock.
>>Any sufficiently advanced rock music is indistinguishable from jazz.
>I fear this is YMMV, since for me anything written after 1955 is >indistinguishable from rock, but that doesn't make it necessarily >advanced.
Heard an excerpt today from a 1971 interview with Count Basie, who said he really admired rock music and musicians, and wished he could play it, but it just wasn't something he could do. -- Who would speak truth should have one foot in the stirrup. (Church bulletin board, Dunwoody GA) ========================================================== mike weber <mike.we...@electronictiger.com> Book Reviews & More -- http://electronictiger.com
> [These are the sorts of things you think about while waiting in traffic > for 90 minutes crossing the border to the US on the way home from TorCon > and flipping around the radio dial.]
> Any sufficiently advanced country music is indistinguishable from rock.
> Any sufficiently advanced rock music is indistinguishable from jazz.
And a sufficiently degenerated form of the ancient and honorable art of the elucutionist is indistinguishable from rap.
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On 9/7/03, 5:46:12 PM, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote
> I fear this is YMMV, since for me anything written after 1955 is > indistinguishable from rock, but that doesn't make it necessarily > advanced. > Dorothy J. Heydt
You grow old, You grow old. Your radio is set for N.P.R. I'm told.
Neil
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> >> I fear this is YMMV, since for me anything written after 1955 is > >> indistinguishable from rock, but that doesn't make it necessarily > >> advanced.
> >> Dorothy J. Heydt
> >You grow old, > >You grow old. > >Your radio is set for N.P.R. I'm told.
> ACtually...she sets it to KDFC (the last remaining classical station > in the Bay Area) and I set it to KCBS, the surviving all-news > station.
Interesting -- because the classical station and the all-news station here are both NPR (and MPR, Minnesota Public Radio). -- David Dyer-Bennet, <d...@dd-b.net>, <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/> RKBA: <noguns-nomoney.com> <www.dd-b.net/carry/> Photos: <dd-b.lighthunters.net> Snapshots: <www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/> Dragaera mailing lists: <dragaera.info/>
>> In article <9e0ecf056207523ac192948e7c4be...@news.teranews.com>, >> Neil Belsky <bea...@medscape.com> wrote: >> >On 9/7/03, 5:46:12 PM, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote=20
>> >> I fear this is YMMV, since for me anything written after 1955 is >> >> indistinguishable from rock, but that doesn't make it necessarily >> >> advanced.
>> >> Dorothy J. Heydt
>> >You grow old, >> >You grow old. >> >Your radio is set for N.P.R. I'm told.
>> ACtually...she sets it to KDFC (the last remaining classical station >> in the Bay Area) and I set it to KCBS, the surviving all-news >> station.
>Interesting -- because the classical station and the all-news station >here are both NPR (and MPR, Minnesota Public Radio).
So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
Dorothy J. Heydt Albany, California djhe...@kithrup.com
Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I > don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics > and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. (I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
-- --Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw "When I go in-to the wood / I see the lit-tle bun-nies, eat-ing por-ridge as they should. / Those clev-er lit-tle rab-bits!" --Mother Goosery Rinds
In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I >> don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics >> and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
>I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. >(I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for >KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
Yes they are. Is that to say they can't also be NPR? Because if there is an NPR station in the Bay Area that isn't KPFA, I never heard of it.
Dorothy J. Heydt Albany, California djhe...@kithrup.com
In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I >> don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics >> and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
>I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. >(I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for >KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
I beleive that you are both correct about KPFA. There was a noticable local dustup when Pacifica wanted to do a lot of staff and format changes at KPFA. This *is* Berkeley we're talking about....
In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> writes: >Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I >> don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics >> and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
>I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. >(I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for >KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
You thought right.
Bay-Area local NPR stations include KQED (which pissed many people off some years ago by switching to all-talk from all-classical) and KALW.
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In article <HKxF3t....@kithrup.com>, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> wrote: >>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I >>> don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics >>> and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
>>I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. >>(I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for >>KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
>Yes they are. Is that to say they can't also be NPR? Because if >there is an NPR station in the Bay Area that isn't KPFA, I never >heard of it.
KQED and KALW. You probably stopped listening to KQED when they stopped playing classical music all the time.
-- Alan -- =========================================================================== ==== Alan Winston --- WINS...@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =========================================================================== ====
> In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> > wrote: >>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>> So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I >>> don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of >>> politics and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
>>I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. >>(I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for >>KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
> I beleive that you are both correct about KPFA. There was a > noticable local dustup when Pacifica wanted to do a lot of staff and > format changes at KPFA. This *is* Berkeley we're talking about....
I remember that. There were protests and everything, IIRC, although I didn't see them and its all hearsay. But I'm pretty sure, so that should be more than sufficent. In any event, KPFA is listener supported radio, but its not Public Radio in the sense that that term usually means; I don't know if they get anything from the PRI/NPR feeds though.
The NPR stations in the Bay are KQED (88.5, I think. Something difficult to tune to on my tiny clock radio, in any event) and KAlW (94 something), both of which run basicly the same feed on different schedules. Its handy, since they do the pledge drives at different times -- you can make your pledge to KQED and then tune up the dial and listen to the other one for a few days without being pestered constantly. If you're in the bay, its at least listening to KQED on Sunday afternoons for the City Arts and Lectures, most of which are excellent. Worth going to, as well, if you're into that sort of thing.
Just since it occurs to me to wonder, is anyone aware of a public radio station that lives past 94.5 on your radio dial? I've never encountered one, to the best of my recollection.
>In article <HKxF3t....@kithrup.com>, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >>In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> wrote: >>>Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >>>> So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I >>>> don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics >>>> and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
>>>I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. >>>(I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for >>>KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
>>Yes they are. Is that to say they can't also be NPR? Because if >>there is an NPR station in the Bay Area that isn't KPFA, I never >>heard of it.
>KQED and KALW. You probably stopped listening to KQED when they stopped >playing classical music all the time.
I never did listen to KQED, because I didn't know they played classical music. I did used to watch KQED-TV, mostly when my kids were young and they were showing Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers and stuff. But there was always such a great preponderance of the stuff they wanted to show over the stuff I wanted to watch.
Dorothy J. Heydt Albany, California djhe...@kithrup.com
Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> wrote:
>>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I >>>don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics >>>and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
>>I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. >>(I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for >>KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
> Yes they are. Is that to say they can't also be NPR? Because if > there is an NPR station in the Bay Area that isn't KPFA, I never > heard of it.
As I don't live there, I don't have a very firm idea about it, but at one time, Pacifica looked down on NPR as being insufficiently progressive; almost as if they were part of the corporate establishment. Of course, things do change, so I merely mentioned it without going into these details.
-- --Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw "When I go in-to the wood / I see the lit-tle bun-nies, eat-ing por-ridge as they should. / Those clev-er lit-tle rab-bits!" --Mother Goosery Rinds
Wilson Heydt wrote: > In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> wrote:
>>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I >>>don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics >>>and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
>>I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. >>(I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for >>KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
> I beleive that you are both correct about KPFA. There was a > noticable local dustup when Pacifica wanted to do a lot of staff and > format changes at KPFA. This *is* Berkeley we're talking about....
I heard echoes of that, and dimly recall them. Did they change to being an NPR station? Seems there may have been allegations that they had betrayed the faithful and all that, which sort of fits with my experience at the one in Houston. I had fun drawing stuff for them on a volunteer basis, but they always seemed to feel I wasn't sufficiently ideologically pure and finally let me go. I didn't mention it before, because it would have involved using the word "purge," and I didn't want to give any occasion to make any hilarious japes about digestion at the moment.
-- --Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw "When I go in-to the wood / I see the lit-tle bun-nies, eat-ing por-ridge as they should. / Those clev-er lit-tle rab-bits!" --Mother Goosery Rinds
> In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> writes:
>>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I >>>don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics >>>and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
>>I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so on. >>(I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork for >>KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.)
> You thought right.
> Bay-Area local NPR stations include KQED (which pissed many people off some > years ago by switching to all-talk from all-classical) and KALW.
Okay. Well, I wasn't sure, so I put it in the vaguest terms possible, hoping someone with actual knowledge would step up to the plate. (Speaking of actual knowledge, I keep thinking KQED is in Pittsburgh; that it's one of those anachronistic "K-" stations in the East.)
-- --Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw "When I go in-to the wood / I see the lit-tle bun-nies, eat-ing por-ridge as they should. / Those clev-er lit-tle rab-bits!" --Mother Goosery Rinds
Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > I never did listen to KQED, because I didn't know they played > classical music. I did used to watch KQED-TV, mostly when my > kids were young and they were showing Sesame Street and Mr. > Rogers and stuff. But there was always such a great > preponderance of the stuff they wanted to show over the stuff I > wanted to watch.
I prefer it that way. Keeps me from watching all the time.
-- --Kip (Williams) ...at members.cox.net/kipw "When I go in-to the wood / I see the lit-tle bun-nies, eat-ing por-ridge as they should. / Those clev-er lit-tle rab-bits!" --Mother Goosery Rinds
> > >> I fear this is YMMV, since for me anything written after 1955 is > > >> indistinguishable from rock, but that doesn't make it necessarily > > >> advanced.
> > >> Dorothy J. Heydt
> > >You grow old, > > >You grow old. > > >Your radio is set for N.P.R. I'm told.
> > ACtually...she sets it to KDFC (the last remaining classical station > > in the Bay Area) and I set it to KCBS, the surviving all-news > > station.
> Interesting -- because the classical station and the all-news station > here are both NPR (and MPR, Minnesota Public Radio).
One of the public radio stations here (KQED) was a classical music station until 15 or 20 years ago. They switched to an all-talk format, and they made sure the decision was irreversible by getting rid of their extensive record collection. I wasn't here at the time, but I know people who were and who are still bitter about the way this was done.
Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> writes: > Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > > In article <3F5D3A21.2030...@cox.net>, Kip Williams <k...@cox.net> writes:
> >>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >>>So far as I know the local NPR station is KPFA, Berkeley, which I > >>>don't care to listen to. When I think of NPR I think first of politics > >>>and then of Garrison Keillor, neither of which I like.
> >> I thought KPFA was a Pacifica station, like KPFK and KPFH and so > >> on. (I think they were the first such, in fact. I did some artwork > >> for KPFH's program guide when we lived in Houston.) > > You thought right. > > Bay-Area local NPR stations include KQED (which pissed many people > > off some > > years ago by switching to all-talk from all-classical) and KALW.
> Okay. Well, I wasn't sure, so I put it in the vaguest terms possible, > hoping someone with actual knowledge would step up to the > plate. (Speaking of actual knowledge, I keep thinking KQED is in > Pittsburgh; that it's one of those anachronistic "K-" stations in the > East.)
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