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David V. Loewe, Jr

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Nov 3, 2009, 12:39:16 PM11/3/09
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Vaulting past New York.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33592580/ns/business-businessweekcom/

I guess Maggie knew what she was up to...
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Paul Ciszek

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Nov 4, 2009, 6:00:08 AM11/4/09
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In article <kjq0f55j3f8u33si9...@4ax.com>,

David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>Vaulting past New York.
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33592580/ns/business-businessweekcom/
>
>I guess Maggie knew what she was up to...

Maggie hasn't been in charge for some time now.

Interesting that the UK can be such a hotbed of capitalism under the
crushing yoke of socialized medicine.

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David Loewe, Jr.

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Nov 4, 2009, 10:35:46 AM11/4/09
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:00:08 +0000 (UTC), nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek)
wrote:

>David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:

>>Vaulting past New York.
>>
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33592580/ns/business-businessweekcom/
>>
>>I guess Maggie knew what she was up to...
>
>Maggie hasn't been in charge for some time now.

Other posters were blaming the recent financial meltdown on Baroness
Thatcher. If they can do that, why can't I credit the progress made to
her and her policies?

>Interesting that the UK can be such a hotbed of capitalism under the
>crushing yoke of socialized medicine.

Exaggerate impacts much?
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David Friedman

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Nov 4, 2009, 5:08:18 PM11/4/09
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In article <hcrmro$qbb$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:

> In article <kjq0f55j3f8u33si9...@4ax.com>,
> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
> >Vaulting past New York.
> >
> >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33592580/ns/business-businessweekcom/
> >
> >I guess Maggie knew what she was up to...
>
> Maggie hasn't been in charge for some time now.

On the other hand, I've seen lots of claims, largely from people who
didn't like her, that her successors continued her policies.

> Interesting that the UK can be such a hotbed of capitalism under the
> crushing yoke of socialized medicine.

Not particularly.

Most modern developed societies are a mixture of capitalist and
socialist institutions. New Zealand has, I'm pretty sure, some version
of socialized medicine. But as far as I can tell, both the taxicab
industry and agriculture are considerably less socialist--i.e. less
controlled by various levels of government--than the corresponding
industries in the U.S.

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Keith F. Lynch

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Nov 4, 2009, 10:16:35 PM11/4/09
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Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Vaulting past New York.
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33592580/ns/business-businessweekcom/
>> I guess Maggie knew what she was up to...

> Maggie hasn't been in charge for some time now.

And yet people blame her for bad things that happen today. So why not
credit her for good things that happen today?

> Interesting that the UK can be such a hotbed of capitalism under
> the crushing yoke of socialized medicine.

Since it's underfunded, it's not particularly crushing, except to
the ill. See
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB10001424052748703740004574513611540978146.html
and scroll down to "Great Moments in Socialized Medicine."
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Paul Ciszek

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:10:25 PM11/9/09
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In article <ddfr-4106F3.1...@newsfarm.phx.highwinds-media.com>,

David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>
>Most modern developed societies are a mixture of capitalist and
>socialist institutions. New Zealand has, I'm pretty sure, some version
>of socialized medicine. But as far as I can tell, both the taxicab
>industry and agriculture are considerably less socialist--i.e. less
>controlled by various levels of government--than the corresponding
>industries in the U.S.

I seem to remember reading that New Zealand agriculture is under the
iron fist of something resembling the health inspectors in Bujold's
_Ethan of Athos_, and for the similar reasons. Insect collection traps
are distributed every so-many meters throughout fruit growing country,
and if a foreign pest turns up in one of them, particuarly nasty
chemicals are used to essentially destroy all organic life within a
certain radius of that trap. Participation in this program is not
optional.

David Friedman

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Nov 9, 2009, 1:12:15 PM11/9/09
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In article <hd9ie1$oai$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:

> In article <ddfr-4106F3.1...@newsfarm.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
> >
> >Most modern developed societies are a mixture of capitalist and
> >socialist institutions. New Zealand has, I'm pretty sure, some version
> >of socialized medicine. But as far as I can tell, both the taxicab
> >industry and agriculture are considerably less socialist--i.e. less
> >controlled by various levels of government--than the corresponding
> >industries in the U.S.
>
> I seem to remember reading that New Zealand agriculture is under the
> iron fist of something resembling the health inspectors in Bujold's
> _Ethan of Athos_, and for the similar reasons. Insect collection traps
> are distributed every so-many meters throughout fruit growing country,
> and if a foreign pest turns up in one of them, particuarly nasty
> chemicals are used to essentially destroy all organic life within a
> certain radius of that trap. Participation in this program is not
> optional.

Certainly possible.

What struck me was that it seemed to be the one country where the
agricultural sector was neither specially taxed nor specially subsidized.

Thomas Womack

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Nov 9, 2009, 2:23:32 PM11/9/09
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In article <hd9ie1$oai$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:

>I seem to remember reading that New Zealand agriculture is under the
>iron fist of something resembling the health inspectors in Bujold's
>_Ethan of Athos_, and for the similar reasons. Insect collection traps
>are distributed every so-many meters throughout fruit growing country,
>and if a foreign pest turns up in one of them, particuarly nasty
>chemicals are used to essentially destroy all organic life within a
>certain radius of that trap. Participation in this program is not
>optional.

I can't find much about that on the Net; what I find when googling on
appropriate-looking keywords is that New Zealand agriculture used to
be particularly pesticide-drenched and has spent the last twenty years
moving towards a model of biological control, with complicated
processes for introducing predators to get rid of particular insect
pests.

Tom


Paul Ciszek

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Nov 9, 2009, 3:45:06 PM11/9/09
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In article <4Jq*nS...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,

Thomas Womack <two...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
>I can't find much about that on the Net; what I find when googling on
>appropriate-looking keywords is that New Zealand agriculture used to
>be particularly pesticide-drenched and has spent the last twenty years
>moving towards a model of biological control, with complicated
>processes for introducing predators to get rid of particular insect
>pests.

Yes, those methods work for known pests. What I was describing was not
regular use of pesticides but a "nuclear option" that goes into effect
when a pest *new* to the island turns up. They figure that they get only
one chance to wipe these things out pre-emptively.

Karl Johanson

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Nov 14, 2009, 3:10:35 AM11/14/09
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"Paul Ciszek" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote

>
> In article <4Jq*nS...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> Thomas Womack <two...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>I can't find much about that on the Net; what I find when googling on
>>appropriate-looking keywords is that New Zealand agriculture used to
>>be particularly pesticide-drenched and has spent the last twenty years
>>moving towards a model of biological control, with complicated
>>processes for introducing predators to get rid of particular insect
>>pests.
>
> Yes, those methods work for known pests. What I was describing was not
> regular use of pesticides but a "nuclear option" that goes into effect
> when a pest *new* to the island turns up. They figure that they get only
> one chance to wipe these things out pre-emptively.

The IAEA uses the nuclear option in the form of The Sterile Insect
Technique.

Karl Johanson


Philip Chee

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Nov 14, 2009, 6:09:42 AM11/14/09
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They use a tac nuke?

Phil

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Keith F. Lynch

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Nov 14, 2009, 3:15:02 PM11/14/09
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Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> The IAEA uses the nuclear option in the form of The Sterile Insect
> Technique.

When a cricket was making loud intermittent noise in my ventilating
ducts, making sleep difficult, for obvious reasons I didn't want
to spray poison into the ducts. So I instead went out and caught
a female cricket and put her in the ducts to keep him satisfied
and quiet.

Since I didn't want a new generation of crickets in the ducts, I
sterilized her first. I didn't use radiation, though. I snipped
off her ovipositor and put a drop of superglue on its stump.

Worked perfectly.

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