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Karl Johanson

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Jul 5, 2009, 7:58:31 PM7/5/09
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Seemed fitting to share that with other fans.

Karl Johanson


Morris Keesan

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Jul 5, 2009, 10:06:03 PM7/5/09
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On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:58:31 -0400, Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca>
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> Seemed fitting to share that with other fans.

What con, and what kind of car?
I'm trying to think of appropriate combinations ...

Disclave '97 seems like an appropriate shirt, but I can't think what model
of car would be best for washing with it.

Keith F. Lynch

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Jul 5, 2009, 10:19:55 PM7/5/09
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Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Seemed fitting to share that with other fans.

Was it worn out and unwearable? If not, I think that's disrespectful
of the con. Of course maybe whatever con that was deserved disrespect.
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Jul 6, 2009, 12:48:23 AM7/6/09
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On Jul 5, 4:58�pm, "Karl Johanson" <karljohan...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Seemed fitting to share that with other fans.
>
> Karl Johanson

All my old con T-shirts have long ago been given away to various
clothing charaties

Karl Johanson

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Jul 6, 2009, 12:50:25 AM7/6/09
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"Morris Keesan" <kee...@alum.bu.edu> wrote

> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:58:31 -0400, Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Seemed fitting to share that with other fans.
>
> What con, and what kind of car?

One of the Norwescons. I'll have to check the garage to get the number &
year. The car's a silver Hyundai Pony. I suppose a license plate which says,
"HI HO" would be appropriate.

> I'm trying to think of appropriate combinations ...
>
> Disclave '97 seems like an appropriate shirt, but I can't think what model
> of car would be best for washing with it.

I've had a T-shirt in my duffle bag in the car for a while. I through it on
today after kayaking & a swim. Turns out it's a Norwescon 19 shirt.

Karl Johanson


Karl Johanson

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Jul 6, 2009, 1:03:40 AM7/6/09
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"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote in message
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> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Seemed fitting to share that with other fans.
>
> Was it worn out and unwearable? If not, I think that's disrespectful
> of the con. Of course maybe whatever con that was deserved disrespect.

Unwearable is subjective. Worn collar & sleeve ends. A deteriorated logo
image. Three significant holes & a few smaller ones. I'm loath to get rid of
old cloths, as I tend to not like buying them. (I'm significantly phobic of
buying shoes, although I've dealt with the phobia enough that I can do it.)

The shirt was from a Norwescon & I enjoyed all the ones I've been to. About
my only complaint with how they ran things was the year when they announced
at the con that only members of a specific religion were allowed to attend
one of the tracts of programming. That was years ago & as far as I know they
didn't do it again.

Karl Johanson

Keith F. Lynch

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Jul 6, 2009, 9:47:41 PM7/6/09
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Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> About my only complaint with how they ran things was the year when
> they announced at the con that only members of a specific religion
> were allowed to attend one of the tracts of programming.

[*]

Karl Johanson

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Jul 6, 2009, 10:01:59 PM7/6/09
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"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote
> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> About my only complaint with how they ran things was the year when
>> they announced at the con that only members of a specific religion
>> were allowed to attend one of the tracts of programming.
>
> [*]

One of the tracts of programming was for Christians only one year. (I only
saw it one year & haven't heard of it being repeated in years I didn't make
it.)

Karl Johanson


Keith F. Lynch

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Jul 6, 2009, 10:14:37 PM7/6/09
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Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> One of the tracts of programming was for Christians only one year.
> (I only saw it one year & haven't heard of it being repeated in
> years I didn't make it.)

Thanks. I haven't seen that at any con I've been to. I've seen a few
Christian fandom room parties, not run by the con, but those were open
to everyone at the con. And I remember one con where there was only
one program item before 1000, "Jewish fandom" at 0900. On seeing that
it was in fact a worship service, I quickly bowed out.

I know of plenty of Christians, Jews, neopagans, and atheists in
fandom, and a few Buddhists, but I don't think I've never met any
Hindus or Muslims in fandom. Are there any?

Daniel R. Reitman

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Jul 6, 2009, 10:17:48 PM7/6/09
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A religous tract, then? :-)

Dan, ad nauseam

Karl Johanson

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Jul 8, 2009, 9:05:50 PM7/8/09
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"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote
> Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> One of the tracts of programming was for Christians only one year.
>> (I only saw it one year & haven't heard of it being repeated in
>> years I didn't make it.)
>
> Thanks. I haven't seen that at any con I've been to. I've seen a few
> Christian fandom room parties, not run by the con, but those were open
> to everyone at the con. And I remember one con where there was only
> one program item before 1000, "Jewish fandom" at 0900. On seeing that
> it was in fact a worship service, I quickly bowed out.
>
> I know of plenty of Christians, Jews, neopagans, and atheists in
> fandom, and a few Buddhists, but I don't think I've never met any
> Hindus or Muslims in fandom. Are there any?

I did a panel that included a person who was Muslim. I've met Wiccans (is
that included in "neopagan"?) at cons as well. I've met a person who was
Bahai who liked SF, but they didn't participate in fandom.

Karl Johanson


Keith F. Lynch

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Jul 8, 2009, 9:08:12 PM7/8/09
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Karl Johanson <karljo...@shaw.ca> wrote:

> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> I know of plenty of Christians, Jews, neopagans, and atheists in
>> fandom, and a few Buddhists, but I don't think I've never met any
>> Hindus or Muslims in fandom. Are there any?

> I did a panel that included a person who was Muslim. I've met
> Wiccans (is that included in "neopagan"?) at cons as well.

Yes, I was including Wiccans as neopagans. My apologies if this is
in any way incorrect.

Philip Chee

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Jul 8, 2009, 11:54:16 PM7/8/09
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On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:05:50 -0700, Karl Johanson wrote:

>> I know of plenty of Christians, Jews, neopagans, and atheists in
>> fandom, and a few Buddhists, but I don't think I've never met any
>> Hindus or Muslims in fandom. Are there any?

Naveed Khan (Although the last time he set foot in a mosque was, um,
probably not too recent).

Phil

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Jul 10, 2009, 1:09:00 PM7/10/09
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In article <h2ub2d$eq1$1...@panix1.panix.com>, k...@KeithLynch.net (Keith F.
Lynch) wrote:

>
> I know of plenty of Christians, Jews, neopagans, and atheists in
> fandom, and a few Buddhists, but I don't think I've never met any
> Hindus or Muslims in fandom. Are there any?

Fatima Ahad has been to a number of UK cons. She persuaded her sister to
come along to last year's Eastercon. Her sister is called Ayesha, which
caused some amusement. (I asked her, and she had read She.)

David Friedman

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Jul 10, 2009, 4:55:12 PM7/10/09
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In article <memo.2009071...@pauldormer.compulink.co.uk>,
p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:

That's amusing. Did she mention that there was another and rather more
famous person associated with the name?

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Steve Coltrin

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Jul 10, 2009, 5:32:56 PM7/10/09
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David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> writes:

> In article <memo.2009071...@pauldormer.compulink.co.uk>,
> p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>
>> Fatima Ahad has been to a number of UK cons. She persuaded her sister to
>> come along to last year's Eastercon. Her sister is called Ayesha, which
>> caused some amusement. (I asked her, and she had read She.)
>
> That's amusing. Did she mention that there was another and rather more
> famous person associated with the name?

She can't be famous - I've never heard of her.

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David Friedman

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Jul 11, 2009, 4:42:20 PM7/11/09
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In article <86ljmwp...@signy.omcl.org>,
Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:

> begin fnord
> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> writes:
>
> > In article <memo.2009071...@pauldormer.compulink.co.uk>,
> > p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
> >
> >> Fatima Ahad has been to a number of UK cons. She persuaded her sister to
> >> come along to last year's Eastercon. Her sister is called Ayesha, which
> >> caused some amusement. (I asked her, and she had read She.)
> >
> > That's amusing. Did she mention that there was another and rather more
> > famous person associated with the name?
>
> She can't be famous - I've never heard of her.

Even if you spell it Aiesha?

Mohammed's favorite wife, and an important figure in the early history
of Islam.

David Loewe, Jr.

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Jul 11, 2009, 5:10:26 PM7/11/09
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On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:42:20 -0700, David Friedman
<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:

> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:


>> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> writes:
>> > p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>> >
>> >> Fatima Ahad has been to a number of UK cons. She persuaded her sister to
>> >> come along to last year's Eastercon. Her sister is called Ayesha, which
>> >> caused some amusement. (I asked her, and she had read She.)
>> >
>> > That's amusing. Did she mention that there was another and rather more
>> > famous person associated with the name?
>>
>> She can't be famous - I've never heard of her.
>
>Even if you spell it Aiesha?

How about A'isha (or even Aisha)? [1]

>Mohammed's favorite wife, and an important figure in the early history
>of Islam.

His "child bride," the source of accusations that the Prophet was a
pedophile.

[1] Transliterations from Arabic can be frustratingly "slippery."
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Steve Coltrin

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Jul 11, 2009, 6:45:34 PM7/11/09
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David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> writes:

> In article <86ljmwp...@signy.omcl.org>,
> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>
>> She can't be famous - I've never heard of her.
>

> Mohammed's favorite wife, and an important figure in the early history
> of Islam.

Yes, I know. I was riffing off the Michael Jackson thread.

Sean O'Hara

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Jul 11, 2009, 11:31:35 PM7/11/09
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In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful David Loewe, Jr.
declared:

> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:42:20 -0700, David Friedman
> <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> writes:
>>>> p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fatima Ahad has been to a number of UK cons. She persuaded her sister to
>>>>> come along to last year's Eastercon. Her sister is called Ayesha, which
>>>>> caused some amusement. (I asked her, and she had read She.)
>>>> That's amusing. Did she mention that there was another and rather more
>>>> famous person associated with the name?
>>> She can't be famous - I've never heard of her.
>> Even if you spell it Aiesha?
>
> How about A'isha (or even Aisha)? [1]
>
[...]

> [1] Transliterations from Arabic can be frustratingly "slippery."

These modern spellings can go to H---. Ayesha is correct. And
followers of Mahomet are Mussulmen.

If it was good enough for Daniel Defoe, it's good enough for me.

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Paul Dormer

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Jul 12, 2009, 9:14:00 AM7/12/09
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In article <ddfr-56428C.1...@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,
dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com (David Friedman) wrote:

>
> > Fatima Ahad has been to a number of UK cons. She persuaded her
> > sister to come along to last year's Eastercon. Her sister is called
> > Ayesha, which caused some amusement. (I asked her, and she had read
> > She.)
>
> That's amusing. Did she mention that there was another and rather
> more famous person associated with the name?

[Read rest of thread.] So that's where Haggard got the name from.

As we had both read Haggard, that was the direction our conversation
continued in.

Keith F. Lynch

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Jul 12, 2009, 3:08:33 PM7/12/09
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Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> writes:
>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>> She can't be famous - I've never heard of her.

>> Mohammed's favorite wife, and an important figure in the early
>> history of Islam.

> Yes, I know. I was riffing off the Michael Jackson thread.

Except that nobody in that thread claimed never to have heard of
Michael Jackson.

Steve Coltrin

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Jul 12, 2009, 4:25:01 PM7/12/09
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"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:

> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I know. I was riffing off the Michael Jackson thread.
>
> Except that nobody in that thread claimed never to have heard of
> Michael Jackson.

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