Tonight, Monday Night Football is on ESPN. Over on Fox, House and Lie
To Me are on. NBC has Trauma - which I'd like to check out. And then
there's Castle on ABC.
Thursdays has (at least this week) Mizzou football on ESPN. Fox has
Bones and Fringe. CBS has CSI and The Mentalist. And ABC has Grey's
Anatomy and Private Practice.
Even on Friday it is somewhat crowded.
But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
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tonight. When I get back home I will play with the cats. All of them
love DA BIRD.
>...all on at the same time?
>Tonight, Monday Night Football is on ESPN. Over on Fox, House and Lie
>To Me are on. NBC has Trauma - which I'd like to check out. And then
>there's Castle on ABC.
>Thursdays has (at least this week) Mizzou football on ESPN. Fox has
>Bones and Fringe. CBS has CSI and The Mentalist. And ABC has Grey's
>Anatomy and Private Practice.
>Even on Friday it is somewhat crowded.
>But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
DVR and Hulu are your friends.
Ben
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Not speaking for anybody
Tivo much?
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>"David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> writes:
>
>>...all on at the same time?
>
>>Tonight, Monday Night Football is on ESPN. Over on Fox, House and Lie
>>To Me are on. NBC has Trauma - which I'd like to check out. And then
>>there's Castle on ABC.
>
>>Thursdays has (at least this week) Mizzou football on ESPN. Fox has
>>Bones and Fringe. CBS has CSI and The Mentalist. And ABC has Grey's
>>Anatomy and Private Practice.
>
>>Even on Friday it is somewhat crowded.
>
>>But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
>
>DVR and Hulu are your friends.
With my current finances, DVR does not exist (although I have the next
best thing in that I can record TV shows on the computer).
Hulu (and cbs.com) is indeed my friend, but not everything I want to
watch is carried online (I'm looking at you, Simon Baker).
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>On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:09:31 -0500, David Loewe, Jr. wrote:
>> ...all on at the same time?
>>
>> Tonight, Monday Night Football is on ESPN. Over on Fox, House and Lie
>> To Me are on. NBC has Trauma - which I'd like to check out. And then
>> there's Castle on ABC.
>>
>> Thursdays has (at least this week) Mizzou football on ESPN. Fox has
>> Bones and Fringe. CBS has CSI and The Mentalist. And ABC has Grey's
>> Anatomy and Private Practice.
>>
>> Even on Friday it is somewhat crowded.
>>
>> But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
>
>Tivo much?
At current levels of funding, DVR is not an option.
--
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does not want to adopt a rational attitude."
Sir Karl Popper
>
> ...all on at the same time?
>
> Tonight, Monday Night Football is on ESPN. Over on Fox, House and Lie
> To Me are on. NBC has Trauma - which I'd like to check out. And then
> there's Castle on ABC.
>
> Thursdays has (at least this week) Mizzou football on ESPN. Fox has
> Bones and Fringe. CBS has CSI and The Mentalist. And ABC has Grey's
> Anatomy and Private Practice.
>
> Even on Friday it is somewhat crowded.
>
> But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
It's a statistical thing, isn't it. There are x programmes you want to
watch a week and you assign them random slots throughout the week, then
some are going to be closer together and others further apart. It's like
those people who assume to pick lottery numbers, then the numbers should
be spread evenly through the range.
Since buying a new computer a few weeks ago with a built-in TV Freeview
(terrestrial digital) tuner, I find I can at any one time:
Record two programmes on satellite.
Record a programme on Freeview on the new DVD/VCR I bought last year.
Record an analogue programme on the old DVD recorder I got free with my
new TV a couple of years ago.
Record a Freeview programme on my computer.
Watch a Freeview programme on my TV.
If I did that too often, I'd not have enough time in the week to watch it
all. Added to which, there are some nights I don't want to watch TV, I
want to listen to music or read a book.
I can't recall if you're on broadband or not, but you really should
look into Hulu.
http://www.hulu.com. At least one of the shows you cite (House) is on
it. I haven't checked the others.
pt
People still watch TV?
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I think they're just making sure it's dead.
Kip W
See message posted at 10:29 AM...
One relevant piece of information vis a vis House is that the episodes
appear to have a significant delay in showing up on Hulu.
--
"Anything a human being does to a LaRouche follower is justifiable on
the grounds of self-defense."
- Kevin Bold
>
> One relevant piece of information vis a vis House is that the
> episodes appear to have a significant delay in showing up on Hulu.
Incidentally, House in the UK is now on Sky, it was on Channel five, and
Sky didn't get round to starting to show season 5 till this summer, and
for several weeks were showing two episodes back to back just about the
time I was away on holiday.
They started showing season 6 this week. I'm still halfway through
season 5.
Since there is nothing on today that I want to watch (other than the
Twins-Tigers one game playoff for the AL Central title), I'm using the
day to catch up as much as possible on all those shows that I didn't get
a chance to watch live (except The Mentalist - which isn't available on
cbs.com and which I didn't record the first week of the season as I
thought for sure it *would be on* cbs.com [1]).
[1] I may have to hunt it down on P2P or Usenet.
--
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wearing leather jackets, things will get more interesting (and I hope
someone's there with a camera)."
- James Jones
> But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
With regard to Wednesdays, "Mythbusters" starts new episodes
starting on Wednesday the 7th.
-- wds
> With regard to Wednesdays, "Mythbusters" starts new episodes
> starting on Wednesday the 7th.
Ie David is as poor as he says, I doubt he has cable. Mythbusters
isn't available over the air.
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
>William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>> "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> said:
>>> But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
>
>> With regard to Wednesdays, "Mythbusters" starts new episodes
>> starting on Wednesday the 7th.
>
>Ie David is as poor as he says, I doubt he has cable.
I have indicated multiple times on this news group that I have broadband
internet and TV from Charter Communications via cable.
>Mythbusters isn't available over the air.
Neither is ESPN, which I specifically mentioned twice as something I
would be watching in the original post. I have also mentioned watching
programs that air on the SciFi (I refuse to use the new moniker) Channel
and BBC America (Torchwood). I may have also mentioned that I'm getting
the movie channels for a buck a month this year.
--
"My idea of gun control is a steady aim."
- Jack Kemp
You don't need a DVR to time-shift your viewing or to skip
commercians. VCRs work just fine. You can probably get a used
one really cheap, or maybe free.
My brother tried Hulu for the first time this weekend. After watching
a whole episode of FlashForward I just wanted to lie down in a dark
room with warm compresses over my eyes. At first I thought it was an
"edgy" special effect, but not only did it never end, but the picture
occasionally froze and required that we take a ten-minute break for it
to catch up.
There's a reason that even the earliest most primitive movies had
sixteen frames per second. Not six, or four, or a wildly-variable
single-digit number.
Never again.
>Ben Yalow <yb...@panix.com> wrote:
>> DVR and Hulu are your friends.
>
>My brother tried Hulu for the first time this weekend. After watching
>a whole episode of FlashForward I just wanted to lie down in a dark
>room with warm compresses over my eyes. At first I thought it was an
>"edgy" special effect, but not only did it never end, but the picture
>occasionally froze and required that we take a ten-minute break for it
>to catch up.
I rarely have problems with Hulu and I have the lowest available speed
on Charter cable internet.
>There's a reason that even the earliest most primitive movies had
>sixteen frames per second. Not six, or four, or a wildly-variable
>single-digit number.
>
>Never again.
--
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On a glory night
Where the children of tomorrow share their dreams
With you and me"
- Klaus Meine
What sort of connection does your brother have? 'Cause I've never
had that problem with any streaming video service other than YouTube.
>In the Year of the Earth Ox, the Great and Powerful Keith F. Lynch
>declared:
>> Ben Yalow <yb...@panix.com> wrote:
>>> DVR and Hulu are your friends.
>>
>> My brother tried Hulu for the first time this weekend. After watching
>> a whole episode of FlashForward I just wanted to lie down in a dark
>> room with warm compresses over my eyes. At first I thought it was an
>> "edgy" special effect, but not only did it never end, but the picture
>> occasionally froze and required that we take a ten-minute break for it
>> to catch up.
>>
>
>What sort of connection does your brother have?
Keith has already indicated that his brother has DSL.
>'Cause I've never
>had that problem with any streaming video service other than YouTube.
--
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blaze with angelic glory."
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> David V. Loewe, Jr <dave...@charter.net> wrote:
>> At current levels of funding, DVR is not an option.
>
> You don't need a DVR to time-shift your viewing or to skip
> commercians. VCRs work just fine. You can probably get a used
> one really cheap, or maybe free.
Cable companies are working assiduously to make VCRs work less
well (presumably so that they can make money renting DVRs to their
customers). My cable provider, Comcast, is in the process of
terminating most of their analog signals, and moving channels
to digital-only, as a "service enhancement", making my VCRs
unable to tune those channels.
--
Morris Keesan -- mke...@post.harvard.edu
>Ben Yalow <yb...@panix.com> wrote:
>> DVR and Hulu are your friends.
>
>My brother tried Hulu for the first time this weekend. After watching
>a whole episode of FlashForward I just wanted to lie down in a dark
>room with warm compresses over my eyes. At first I thought it was an
>"edgy" special effect, but not only did it never end, but the picture
>occasionally froze and required that we take a ten-minute break for it
>to catch up.
Hulu froze for a little while just now while I was viewing an episode of
Fringe. I discovered that a process was working in the background.
>There's a reason that even the earliest most primitive movies had
>sixteen frames per second. Not six, or four, or a wildly-variable
>single-digit number.
>
>Never again.
--
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Cable companies are working assiduously to make VCRs work less
> well (presumably so that they can make money renting DVRs to their
> customers). My cable provider, Comcast, is in the process of
> terminating most of their analog signals, and moving channels
> to digital-only, as a "service enhancement", making my VCRs
> unable to tune those channels.
I know you don't have SCART connectors in the US, but is there no
equivalent? My satellite box has two SCART output sockets, so I can
connect one straight to the TV and one to a VCR or DVD recorder.
More likely to have HDMI.
That said, my cable box has one output - coax.
> Cable companies are working assiduously to make VCRs work less
> well (presumably so that they can make money renting DVRs to their
> customers). My cable provider, Comcast, is in the process of
> terminating most of their analog signals, and moving channels to
> digital-only, as a "service enhancement", making my VCRs unable to
> tune those channels.
I suggest that you enhance that cable service by canceling it.
People will get what they're willing to put up with.
What OS do you have, you may not need a DVR?
We currently have 3 Media center PC's running the old XP Mediacenter
2004 & 2005. Current Disk storage for TV show in the ~6 Terabyte range.
My system currently has Snapstream installed too.
> Hulu (and cbs.com) is indeed my friend, but not everything I want to
> watch is carried online (I'm looking at you, Simon Baker).
Nels
I don't watch much TV ... but my wife and Turner Classic Movies ...
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>David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 04:07:51 +0000 (UTC), Ben Yalow <yb...@panix.com>
>> wrote:
>>> "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@mindspring.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> ...all on at the same time?
>>>> Tonight, Monday Night Football is on ESPN. Over on Fox, House and Lie
>>>> To Me are on. NBC has Trauma - which I'd like to check out. And then
>>>> there's Castle on ABC.
>>>> Thursdays has (at least this week) Mizzou football on ESPN. Fox has
>>>> Bones and Fringe. CBS has CSI and The Mentalist. And ABC has Grey's
>>>> Anatomy and Private Practice.
>>>> Even on Friday it is somewhat crowded.
>>>> But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
>>> DVR and Hulu are your friends.
>>
>> With my current finances, DVR does not exist (although I have the next
>> best thing in that I can record TV shows on the computer).
>
>What OS do you have, you may not need a DVR?
>
>We currently have 3 Media center PC's running the old XP Mediacenter
>2004 & 2005. Current Disk storage for TV show in the ~6 Terabyte range.
>
>My system currently has Snapstream installed too.
I have an ATI All-In-Wonder 9800, hooked up to the cable, running ATI
Multimedia Center on Windows XP Pro (not installed on the Windows 7
install). But, that only lets me record one show at a time.
>> Hulu (and cbs.com) is indeed my friend, but not everything I want to
>> watch is carried online (I'm looking at you, Simon Baker).
>
>Nels
>I don't watch much TV ... but my wife and Turner Classic Movies ...
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independence."
- C.A. Beard
DSL from Earthlink. Though for some reason his IP address shows up
as Verizon.
I was wondering if it was insufficient bandwidth. I asked him why he
didn't download it overnight. Who cares if it takes 10 minutes to
download each one minute of video? But he said he didn't know how to
do that with Hulu.
I tried it over my relatively low bandwidth wireless connection (2-2.5
megabit max) and didn't notice any major problems. I had a couple of
pauses at the beginning of about 1 second each and after that it moved
along smoothly, although I only watched 5 or so minutes of it.
The sort of varying frame rates you describe sound more like something
in the background on the machine interfering with playback. Streaming
video on a too-slow connection usually runs at full frame-rate then
stops completely when it runs out of buffered data. It then repeats the
play-stop-buffer-play cycle until the end of the video.
Robert
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>Sean O'Hara <sean...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What sort of connection does your brother have?
>
>DSL from Earthlink. Though for some reason his IP address shows up
>as Verizon.
Perhaps they lease the line to Earthlink.
>I was wondering if it was insufficient bandwidth.
Well, how much bandwidth does he have?
Secondly, was there something running in the background - a virus
scanner, perhaps?
>I asked him why he didn't download it overnight. Who cares if it
>takes 10 minutes to download each one minute of video? But he
>said he didn't know how to do that with Hulu.
--
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Do it in the name of heaven and you can justify it in the end
There won't be any trumpets blowing come the Judgement Day
And on the bloody morning after....One Tin Soldier rides away."
One Tin Soldier - The Legend Of Billy Jack
True only one show at a time, with one tuner but Windows 7 has a Much
better mediacenter program than the ATI one.
>>> Hulu (and cbs.com) is indeed my friend, but not everything I want to
>>> watch is carried online (I'm looking at you, Simon Baker).
>> Nels
>> I don't watch much TV ... but my wife and Turner Classic Movies ...
--
>Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
>> Ben Yalow <yb...@panix.com> wrote:
>>> DVR and Hulu are your friends.
>>
>> My brother tried Hulu for the first time this weekend. After watching
>> a whole episode of FlashForward I just wanted to lie down in a dark
>> room with warm compresses over my eyes. At first I thought it was an
>> "edgy" special effect, but not only did it never end, but the picture
>> occasionally froze and required that we take a ten-minute break for it
>> to catch up.
>>
>> There's a reason that even the earliest most primitive movies had
>> sixteen frames per second. Not six, or four, or a wildly-variable
>> single-digit number.
>>
>> Never again.
>
>I tried it over my relatively low bandwidth wireless connection (2-2.5
>megabit max) and didn't notice any major problems. I had a couple of
>pauses at the beginning of about 1 second each and after that it moved
>along smoothly, although I only watched 5 or so minutes of it.
>The sort of varying frame rates you describe sound more like something
>in the background on the machine interfering with playback.
As noted in another post, when I had similar trouble with Hulu today,
there was a process running in the background.
>Streaming video on a too-slow connection usually runs at full frame-rate
>then stops completely when it runs out of buffered data. It then repeats
>the play-stop-buffer-play cycle until the end of the video.
--
"Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there
must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the
far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled
knife whilst burning *black* candles." -- Anthony DeBoer
>
> That said, my cable box has one output - coax.
Don't think I've used coax for anything except connecting the aerial to
the TV for about ten years.
The VCR I bought over ten years ago (and I replaced last year) had two
SCART sockets, so I not only could send the output from the VCR to the TV
without going through the aerial coax socket - cleaner picture that way,
I found - but one of the SCART sockets on the satellite receiver could be
connected to the VCR directly, and you could set up the VCR and satellite
receiver so that when a programme started that you wanted to record, the
satellite receiver automatically started the VCR. No worrying about
timers, and if the TV companies were playing the game, if the programme
started late or early, the recording would automatically compensate.
>David Loewe, Jr. wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:38:45 -0700, Nels Satterlund
>> <Ne...@starstream.net> wrote:
>>> David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 04:07:51 +0000 (UTC), Ben Yalow <yb...@panix.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> DVR and Hulu are your friends.
>>>> With my current finances, DVR does not exist (although I have the next
>>>> best thing in that I can record TV shows on the computer).
>>> What OS do you have, you may not need a DVR?
>>>
>>> We currently have 3 Media center PC's running the old XP Mediacenter
>>> 2004 & 2005. Current Disk storage for TV show in the ~6 Terabyte range.
>>>
>>> My system currently has Snapstream installed too.
>>
>> I have an ATI All-In-Wonder 9800, hooked up to the cable, running ATI
>> Multimedia Center on Windows XP Pro (not installed on the Windows 7
>> install). But, that only lets me record one show at a time.
>
>True only one show at a time, with one tuner but Windows 7 has a Much
>better mediacenter program than the ATI one.
I haven't tried that.
>>>> Hulu (and cbs.com) is indeed my friend, but not everything I want to
>>>> watch is carried online (I'm looking at you, Simon Baker).
>>> Nels
>>> I don't watch much TV ... but my wife and Turner Classic Movies ...
--
"He who can, does. He who cannot teaches."
- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
I watched the first season of _Dollhouse_ on Hulu, no problems. Now
I'm trying to do the same with the second, and it's all but unwatchable;
all motion is jerky, as though seen on strobe lights. One was on Earthlink
in Oakland, the other on AT&T in Houston. I'm now resorting to other
methods to watch the new episodes.
--
David Goldfarb |"Feeling smug about one's opinions is the very
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | lifeblood of the Net."
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- Dawn Friedman
Which was which?
Others have suggested that only happens when you have something
running in the background. Did you?
If it's a bandwidth problem, the obvious solution is to download it
ahead of time. Does Hulu prohibit that? How can it do so? How can
it tell whether the material is going to disk or to screen? Of course
if it insists on sending in real-time (does it?), it would be a jerky
image that went to disk, so that wouldn't help. Except that in
principle you could download it several times and hope to get a
different subset of frames each time, and then you could have your
software assemble a watchable version out of several unwatchable
versions.
>David Goldfarb <gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>> I watched the first season of _Dollhouse_ on Hulu, no problems.
>> Now I'm trying to do the same with the second, and it's all but
>> unwatchable; all motion is jerky, as though seen on strobe lights.
>> One was on Earthlink in Oakland, the other on AT&T in Houston.
>
>Which was which?
>
>Others have suggested that only happens when you have something
>running in the background.
You're reading a bit much into that. I have a relatively wide pipe. For
me, I've only seen this when something was running in the background
(specifically, if I leave Outlook open and it receives email or if I ran
a retrieval of headers in Agent). That does not preclude someone with
DSL - which is typically a smaller pipe than what I have - from having
bandwidth issues. [1]
>Did you?
>
>If it's a bandwidth problem, the obvious solution is to download it
>ahead of time. Does Hulu prohibit that? How can it do so?
I don't know that you can download the whole thing beforehand. I do
know that it has a buffer. How large it is, I do not know.
>How can it tell whether the material is going to disk or to screen?
>Of course if it insists on sending in real-time (does it?),
The presence of the buffer seems to indicate otherwise.
>it would be a jerky
>image that went to disk, so that wouldn't help. Except that in
>principle you could download it several times and hope to get a
>different subset of frames each time, and then you could have your
>software assemble a watchable version out of several unwatchable
>versions.
[1] Or even someone with a big pipe that is over taxed at that moment by
shared bandwidth problems of some type.
--
"If tempted by something that feels "altruistic", examine your
motives and root out that self-deception. Then, if you still
want to do it, wallow in it!"
-Lazarus Long
I thought that DSL was a constant high rate, not a shared high rate
like cable.
>David Loewe, Jr. <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> [1] Or even someone with a big pipe that is over taxed at that
>> moment by shared bandwidth problems of some type.
>
>I thought that DSL was a constant high rate, not a shared high rate
>like cable.
1) DSL is frequently slower than cable. The slowest DSL available here
is 768 Kbps. The slowest cable available here is 5 Mbps.
2) At some point upstream, the bandwidth has to be shared. If they've
oversubscribed it, then you might get throttling.
3) The comment applies more to cable than to DSL.
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what
they conceal is vital."
- Aaron Levenstein
> In article <ihopc5lql2ife2ni7...@4ax.com>,
> David Loewe, Jr. <dlo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 03:14:11 +0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
>> <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>> My brother tried Hulu for the first time this weekend. After watching
>>> a whole episode of FlashForward I just wanted to lie down in a dark
>>> room with warm compresses over my eyes. At first I thought it was an
>>> "edgy" special effect, but not only did it never end, but the picture
>>> occasionally froze and required that we take a ten-minute break for it
>>> to catch up.
>>
>> Hulu froze for a little while just now while I was viewing an episode of
>> Fringe. I discovered that a process was working in the background.
>
> I watched the first season of _Dollhouse_ on Hulu, no problems. Now
> I'm trying to do the same with the second, and it's all but unwatchable;
> all motion is jerky, as though seen on strobe lights. One was on
> Earthlink
> in Oakland, the other on AT&T in Houston. I'm now resorting to other
> methods to watch the new episodes.
And there's very often the option of waiting until the episodes aren't
new, and watching them on DVD. The first season of Dollhouse is already
available on DVD (and in libraries; my personal "to-do" list includes
stopping at the library in my system which has that set, in order to
borrow it and watch the unaired pilot episode).
> David Goldfarb <gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>> I watched the first season of _Dollhouse_ on Hulu, no problems.
>> Now I'm trying to do the same with the second, and it's all but
>> unwatchable; all motion is jerky, as though seen on strobe lights.
>> One was on Earthlink in Oakland, the other on AT&T in Houston.
>
> Which was which?
>
> Others have suggested that only happens when you have something
> running in the background. Did you?
>
> If it's a bandwidth problem, the obvious solution is to download it
> ahead of time. Does Hulu prohibit that? How can it do so? How can
> it tell whether the material is going to disk or to screen?
I don't use Hulu, but typically the way content providers attempt to
prevent downloading is by not providing the content as a direct data
stream. Instead, they provide software (often a Flash application)
which reads and displays the content. The protocols used by these
applications are generally not ones implemented by web browsers.
Saving the content would require having an application which implements
the proper protocol (perhaps with some authentication; I don't know) and
can write the content to disk. The commonly-used browser plug-ins don't
support this.
This technique used to work for providing streaming audio that couldn't
be downloaded, but the protocol (RTSP) used by RealPlayer, for example,
is now implemented by third-party providers. This is how I listen
to BBC radio (reading the RTSP stream to disk, converting to MP3, and
downloading to a portable player for listening while walking, riding the
bus, or in my car). I'm not aware of
>I don't use Hulu, but typically the way content providers attempt to
>prevent downloading is by not providing the content as a direct data
>stream. Instead, they provide software (often a Flash application)
>which reads and displays the content. The protocols used by these
>applications are generally not ones implemented by web browsers.
>Saving the content would require having an application which implements
>the proper protocol (perhaps with some authentication; I don't know) and
>can write the content to disk. The commonly-used browser plug-ins don't
>support this.
>
>This technique used to work for providing streaming audio that couldn't
>be downloaded, but the protocol (RTSP) used by RealPlayer, for example,
>is now implemented by third-party providers. This is how I listen
>to BBC radio (reading the RTSP stream to disk, converting to MP3, and
>downloading to a portable player for listening while walking, riding the
>bus, or in my car). I'm not aware of
This looks unfinished...
True. But FlashForward is being shown in close to real time, i.e.
it's set this year and next. Watching it when it's set adds something.
Those of you who have read the book and not seen the TV episodes, note
that in the TV series the FlashForward is six months: October 2009 to
April 2010. In the novel it was 21 years: April 2009 to October 2030.
There are innumerable other differences, so many I'm surprised they're
paying Sawyer royalties. These two FlashFoward stories have about as
much in common as two unrelated alien invasion stories or two unrelated
what-if-magic-is-real stories.
>Morris Keesan <mke...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> And there's very often the option of waiting until the episodes
>> aren't new, and watching them on DVD.
>
>True. But FlashForward is being shown in close to real time, i.e.
>it's set this year and next. Watching it when it's set adds something.
>
>Those of you who have read the book and not seen the TV episodes, note
>that in the TV series the FlashForward is six months: October 2009 to
>April 2010. In the novel it was 21 years: April 2009 to October 2030.
>There are innumerable other differences, so many I'm surprised they're
>paying Sawyer royalties. These two FlashFoward stories have about as
>much in common as two unrelated alien invasion stories or two unrelated
>what-if-magic-is-real stories.
This is different from normal Hollywood practice in what fashion,
exactly?
;-)
--
"And so it was that later
As the Miller told his tale
That her face, at first just ghostly
Turned a whiter shade of pale"
Keith Reid & Gary Brooker
I moved to Houston at the start of June.
>Others have suggested that only happens when you have something
>running in the background. Did you?
Nothing about my system changed in between (other than the change
of ISP's).
>If it's a bandwidth problem, the obvious solution is to download it
>ahead of time. Does Hulu prohibit that?
If there's a way to do that with Hulu, I haven't discovered it. What
I do now is to download the episodes via peer-to-peer networks.
--
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gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |"You think that is a secret, but it never has
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | been one."
If there's something I want to watch, I want to have the option of
watching it *now*. I downloaded the episodes of the third series of
_Doctor Who_, unwilling to wait a week for them to appear on SciFi.
You can bet I'm not going to wait months for the second season of
_Dollhouse_ to appear on DVD.
(Also, it's not trivial to get ahold of the DVDs -- I only want to
watch the _Dollhouse_ episodes once, I feel no need to own them.
There's Netflix, but that means an even longer wait, plus subscription
fees.)
--
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gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | lederhosen-clad dancing yodelers!"
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- Animaniacs
There is a Firefox add-on called DownloadHelper that will save the
.flv file to disc, where it can then be played in VLC or Gom (though
not always without problems). The DownloadHelper developers also
have a program that will transcode .flv into the video format of
your choice.
DownloadHelper works for most streaming video sites, but
unfortunately not Hulu.
--
Sean O'Hara <http://www.diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com>
New audio book: As Long as You Wish by John O'Keefe
<http://librivox.org/short-science-fiction-collection-010/>
Remember that such royalties aren't governed by copyright laws but
by the Writers Guild. ABC just got their ass handed to them by the
WGA when they tried to claim that the new V departed from the
original so much that they shouldn't have to pay the original
creator any royalties. The same would likely happen with FlashForward.
> In article <op.u1fxg4145qv6o3@toshiba-laptop>, mke...@post.harvard.edu
> (Morris Keesan) wrote:
>
>>
>> Cable companies are working assiduously to make VCRs work less
>> well (presumably so that they can make money renting DVRs to their
>> customers). My cable provider, Comcast, is in the process of
>> terminating most of their analog signals, and moving channels
>> to digital-only, as a "service enhancement", making my VCRs
>> unable to tune those channels.
>
> I know you don't have SCART connectors in the US, but is there no
> equivalent? My satellite box has two SCART output sockets, so I can
> connect one straight to the TV and one to a VCR or DVD recorder.
Nope. I had to look in Wikipedia to find out what a SCART connector is,
and I've certainly never heard of anything like this. My cable boxes
either have just a coax cable output, or a coax plus component audio/video.
Since the whole point of this exercise is for Comcast to make
more money (they call it "enhanced service"), there would be no incentive
for them to give me something which makes using my VCR easier, when they
can instead try to charge me a monthly rental fee for a DVR.
I can tape digital channels, but only by routing the output of the cable
box into the VCR, and manually tuning the cable box to the desired channel,
which makes it of very limited use.
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:16:30 -0400, "Morris Keesan"
> <mke...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>> I don't use Hulu, but typically the way content providers attempt to
>> prevent downloading is by not providing the content as a direct data
>> stream. Instead, they provide software (often a Flash application)
>> which reads and displays the content. The protocols used by these
>> applications are generally not ones implemented by web browsers.
>> Saving the content would require having an application which implements
>> the proper protocol (perhaps with some authentication; I don't know) and
>> can write the content to disk. The commonly-used browser plug-ins don't
>> support this.
>>
>> This technique used to work for providing streaming audio that couldn't
>> be downloaded, but the protocol (RTSP) used by RealPlayer, for example,
>> is now implemented by third-party providers. This is how I listen
>> to BBC radio (reading the RTSP stream to disk, converting to MP3, and
>> downloading to a portable player for listening while walking, riding the
>> bus, or in my car). I'm not aware of
>
> This looks unfinished...
Indeed. How strange. I remember finishing it. This is what I get for
writing newsgroup postings after midnight. I think I meant to say that
I'm not aware of any third-party software which can do the same thing
for embedded Flash videos. But two days later, Sean O'Hara mentioned
the Firefox plugin "DownloadHelper", which apparently doesn't work for
Hulu.
> In article <op.u1ma03ah5qv6o3@toshiba-laptop>,
> Morris Keesan <mke...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> And there's very often the option of waiting until the episodes aren't
>> new, and watching them on DVD.
>
> If there's something I want to watch, I want to have the option of
> watching it *now*. I downloaded the episodes of the third series of
> _Doctor Who_, unwilling to wait a week for them to appear on SciFi.
> You can bet I'm not going to wait months for the second season of
> _Dollhouse_ to appear on DVD.
>
> (Also, it's not trivial to get ahold of the DVDs -- I only want to
> watch the _Dollhouse_ episodes once, I feel no need to own them.
> There's Netflix, but that means an even longer wait, plus subscription
> fees.)
There are three copies of the DVDs in my library system (in three different
towns' libraries). I was rather surprised to discover that I couldn't find
the Dollhouse DVDs in the catalogs of any of the Berkeley, San Francisco,
or
Oakland libraries. (And yes, I do understand wanting to watch it *now*.
On the other hand, I have so many books on my to-be-read list that a book
I want to read *now* often takes me months to get around to it. And
although
I'm trying to keep up with the current season of Dollhouse, I typically
don't
get around to watching an episode less than 24 hours before the next one
airs.)
Certainly there is. People who, when hearing that they will lose the
ability to easily time-shift programs without paying extra, decide to
do without cable.
> I can tape digital channels, but only by routing the output of the
> cable box into the VCR, and manually tuning the cable box to the
> desired channel, which makes it of very limited use.
That doesn't sound too problematic unless you want to tape two shows
during one absence from home.
>Morris Keesan <mke...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> Since the whole point of this exercise is for Comcast to make more
>> money (they call it "enhanced service"), there would be no incentive
>> for them to give me something which makes using my VCR easier, when
>> they can instead try to charge me a monthly rental fee for a DVR.
>
>Certainly there is. People who, when hearing that they will lose the
>ability to easily time-shift programs without paying extra, decide to
>do without cable.
For most people, losing the extra channels of cable would be far more
inconvenient than not being able to time shift via a VCR.
>> I can tape digital channels, but only by routing the output of the
>> cable box into the VCR, and manually tuning the cable box to the
>> desired channel, which makes it of very limited use.
>
>That doesn't sound too problematic unless you want to tape two shows
>during one absence from home.
Which is one reason why a DVR is so much superior to a VCR.
--
"I took a shower and I put on my best blue jeans,
I picked her up in my new VW van.
She wore a peasant blouse with nothing underneath,
I said, Hi, and she said, Yeah, I guess I am."
Dean Friedman
> Indeed. How strange. I remember finishing it. This is what I get for
> writing newsgroup postings after midnight. I think I meant to say that
> I'm not aware of any third-party software which can do the same thing
> for embedded Flash videos. But two days later, Sean O'Hara mentioned
> the Firefox plugin "DownloadHelper", which apparently doesn't work for
> Hulu.
Just tried it. Even though the episode is playing the only thing that
downloads is the commercial that preceded it.
>Morris Keesan <mke...@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> Since the whole point of this exercise is for Comcast to make more
>> money (they call it "enhanced service"), there would be no incentive
>> for them to give me something which makes using my VCR easier, when
>> they can instead try to charge me a monthly rental fee for a DVR.
>Certainly there is. People who, when hearing that they will lose the
>ability to easily time-shift programs without paying extra, decide to
>do without cable.
But that's still pretty small.
>> I can tape digital channels, but only by routing the output of the
>> cable box into the VCR, and manually tuning the cable box to the
>> desired channel, which makes it of very limited use.
>That doesn't sound too problematic unless you want to tape two shows
>during one absence from home.
I was away last weekend. My DVR recorded eight programs (one of which was
a 4 hour football game), over a five day period. Fortunately, I can
program the cable box to switch channels on a time basis.
>--
>Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
>Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
Ben
--
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Not speaking for anybody
I just searched the Houston library catalog and it wasn't there either.
(I'm actually no longer in the Bay Area, nor am I using the ocf.berkeley.edu
address anymore either for email or Usenet. I'm still putting it in
the headers both for continuity of identity, and as a way of cutting
down the spam to my new address.)
--
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gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | Private .sig -- please do not read.
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu |
> Remember that such royalties aren't governed by copyright laws but
> by the Writers Guild. ABC just got their ass handed to them by the
> WGA when they tried to claim that the new V departed from the
> original so much that they shouldn't have to pay the original
> creator any royalties.
Was their ass handed to them in court, in arbitration, or what?
-- wds
> My cable boxes
> either have just a coax cable output, or a coax plus component
> audio/video. Since the whole point of this exercise is for Comcast to
> make more money (they call it "enhanced service"), there would be no
> incentive for them to give me something which makes using my VCR
> easier, when they can instead try to charge me a monthly rental fee
> for a DVR.
Curiously, Sky satellite boxes in the UK, where Sky is both the satellite
provider and, it would appear, the designer of the boxes, have all sorts
of facilities that made using a VCR easy.
The original Sky analogue boxes had a built in timer, so it would switch
on and change to an arranged channel so you could record when you were
out without having to leave the box switched on. (But it didn't
automatically change the clock when the clocks changed, and I got caught
out one year.)
As I've said, Sky digital boxes had the facility not only to switch on to
the required channel for recording a programme, it would send a signal
through the SCART port to switch on the VCR, so no worrying about setting
timers on the VCR. On the Sky box you just selected the programme you
wanted to record from the Electronic Programme Guide (EPG).
Skyplus boxes have a built-in disc so you don't really need a VCR, but
they do have two SCART ports, so one can be connected to your TV, one to
your VCR/DVD recorder to make a permanent copy of the show.
And my current HD Sky box has a SCART port in addition to its HDMI port
so that I can record programmes to my DVD recorder at SD.
Okay, but if I don't know your real address, I can't whitelist it,
meaning that if you ever email me other than to the current disposable
address linked to by the URL my sig, your message may be silently
discarded. I have whitelisted all the regular posters here, but only
if I can figure out their addresses.
I have actually emailed you with my new Usenet address, and received
a reply, so I assume you've whitelisted that: it's the same username
as above, with kithrup.com. (You might notice "kithrup.com" in my
message-id headers.) My new regular address for email is at gmail.com,
but I couldn't get "goldfarb" there, so I had to add my initials:
it's goldfarbdj.
I do still check mail at the OCF address, but not as often as the others.
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gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | And that is beautiful.
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | Everybody dies frustrated and sad
| And that is beautiful." -- TMBG
>...all on at the same time?
>
>Tonight, Monday Night Football is on ESPN. Over on Fox, House and Lie
>To Me are on. NBC has Trauma - which I'd like to check out.
Spent a lot of time yesterday watching various things on Hulu. One of
them was Trauma. Lots of action. Sort of a grittier and darker version
of the old Emergency! that ran on NBC back in the 70s with a bonus
helping of helicopters.
Instead of following the crew of one ambulance in Los Angeles
County/City (Gage and DeSoto), you get to follow the crews of two
ambulances (Boone and Tyler in one, Nancy - played by Brit Anastasia
Griffith, sister of Jamie Bamber - and probie Glenn in the other) and,
as bonus, a rescue helicopter flight crew (Rabbit Palchuk and pilot
Marisa Benez) out of San Francisco (apparently based on Treasure Island)
and the station commander. Support at City Hospital is provided by
Jamey Sheridan playing Doctor Joe and an intern that Rabbit keeps trying
to impress.
Kiwi Cliff Curtis manages to make the appallingly cocky and disruptive,
although supremely competent, Rabbit charming. The other paramedic/EMTs
have their now standard demons and unexpected depths [1], but in the
end, they come out as heroes.
If you like medical shows and action shows, this may be up your alley.
As Joe Bob Briggs would say, "...check it out."
>And then there's Castle on ABC.
>
>Thursdays has (at least this week) Mizzou football on ESPN. Fox has
>Bones and Fringe. CBS has CSI and The Mentalist. And ABC has Grey's
>Anatomy and Private Practice.
>
>Even on Friday it is somewhat crowded.
>
>But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
[1] Anastasia Griffith's character Nancy Callahan graduated from Medical
School. Marisa Benez flew choppers in Iraq (and misses the action).
--
"It's raining soup and we haven't built any soup bowls."
Dr. Jerry Pournelle
> I have actually emailed you with my new Usenet address, and received
> a reply, so I assume you've whitelisted that: it's the same username
> as above, with kithrup.com.
I have the whole of kithrup.com whitelisted. This could change if
spammers start forging that domain in their From: lines.
> (You might notice "kithrup.com" in my message-id headers.)
Your complete kithrup.com email address is also on your Sender: line
where any spammer can easily harvest it.
> My new regular address for email is at gmail.com, but I couldn't get
> "goldfarb" there, so I had to add my initials: it's goldfarbdj.
Okay, I've added that to my whitelist, which now has 14,938 entries.
Well, I have yet to receive a single spam email at that address.
Either the filters are working well, or spammers are no longer
harvesting addresses from Usenet. (Or some combination of the two:
fewer spammers have heard of Usenet, and those who have aren't
getting past the filters.)
I'm certainly still getting spam directed at my Usenet address. Not that
I ever see it, but the logs tell me.
I've used this address elsewhere as well, though. And I haven't changed
it in a long time. So it's hard to tell.
rgds,
netcat
> In article <hblore$24d$2...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>Your complete kithrup.com email address is also on your Sender: line
>>where any spammer can easily harvest it.
>
> Well, I have yet to receive a single spam email at that address.
> Either the filters are working well, or spammers are no longer
> harvesting addresses from Usenet. (Or some combination of the two:
> fewer spammers have heard of Usenet, and those who have aren't
> getting past the filters.)
Not only do spammers send to my usenet address, they send to my
Message-ID values. Not that they end up in my inbox, of course.
>> Well, I have yet to receive a single spam email at that address.
>> Either the filters are working well, or spammers are no longer
>> harvesting addresses from Usenet. (Or some combination of the two:
>> fewer spammers have heard of Usenet, and those who have aren't
>> getting past the filters.)
> I'm certainly still getting spam directed at my Usenet address.
> Not that I ever see it, but the logs tell me.
> I've used this address elsewhere as well, though. And I haven't
> changed it in a long time. So it's hard to tell.
I guess it's time for me to run another test. I'm putting a unique
address that has never been seen before and will never be seen again
on my From: line, a different one on my Sender: line, and a third one,
st0...@KeithLynch.net, in the body of this message. If you reply to
this message, please make sure none of them appear in your reply.
And of course please don't send email to any of them. Thanks.
I've whitelisted all three, and I'll see if any of them start getting
spammed, and how soon. (By "whitelisted" I mean I'll accept all email
sent to any of them, not that I'll necessarily accept email that
claims to come from one of them.)
It used to be said that spammers harvested from the NNTP Overview
headers without bothering to retrieve full articles, in which case, if
true, they would see the "From:" but not the "Sender:".
I'll see whether the From: address, Sender: address, body address, or
any combination, of the test message I posted yesterday get spammed.
>...all on at the same time?
>
>Tonight, Monday Night Football is on ESPN. Over on Fox, House and Lie
>To Me are on. NBC has Trauma - which I'd like to check out. And then
>there's Castle on ABC.
>
>Thursdays has (at least this week) Mizzou football on ESPN. Fox has
>Bones and Fringe. CBS has CSI and The Mentalist. And ABC has Grey's
>Anatomy and Private Practice.
>
>Even on Friday it is somewhat crowded.
>
>But Tuesday and Wednesdays are all but wastelands.
Finally broke down and ordered a DVR from Charter.
Sounds like it will take the place of my tuner/cable box and be able to
record two different shows while watching a third. So, with the video
card in the computer, I'll be able to record three shows at once.
--
"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire