AKICIF sf + anthro + history?
Thomas Yan
interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
glum because she would like a job that combines her top interests, but
can't think of any. Her list reminded me that in general I am kind of
clueless about what jobs involve just *one* of those interests.
So, any ideas on what jobs there are for 1 or more of those interests?
(Well, I can list a few possibilities for books --critic, librarian or
archivist [*], seller (physical or online), e-book researcher-- but in
fact I don't think know what any those jobs actually entails.)
--
Thomas Yan (ty...@twcny.rr.com) Note: I don't check e-mail often.
Be pro-active. Fight sucky software and learned helplessness.
Apologies for any lack of capitalization; typing hurts my hands.
Progress on next DbS installment: pp1-24 of pp1-181 of _Taltos_
Nancy Lebovitz
Thomas Yan <ty...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>An acquaintence of mine is starting to look for a job. Her top 3 or 4
>interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
>glum because she would like a job that combines her top interests, but
>can't think of any. Her list reminded me that in general I am kind of
>clueless about what jobs involve just *one* of those interests.
>
>So, any ideas on what jobs there are for 1 or more of those interests?
>
>(Well, I can list a few possibilities for books --critic, librarian or
>archivist [*], seller (physical or online), e-book researcher-- but in
>fact I don't think know what any those jobs actually entails.)
>
feasibility of running an on-line bookstore.
--
Nancy Lebovitz na...@netaxs.com www.nancybuttons.com
Lucy Kemnitzer
wrote:
>An acquaintence of mine is starting to look for a job. Her top 3 or 4
>interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
>glum because she would like a job that combines her top interests, but
>can't think of any. Her list reminded me that in general I am kind of
>clueless about what jobs involve just *one* of those interests.
>
>So, any ideas on what jobs there are for 1 or more of those interests?
>
>(Well, I can list a few possibilities for books --critic, librarian or
>archivist [*], seller (physical or online), e-book researcher-- but in
>fact I don't think know what any those jobs actually entails.)
>
She could teach middle school, like me. Middle school teachers
usually teach more than one subject, and they often get to work up a
just-for-fun class that's for an elective, and that could be an sf
class or an anthro class.
Lucy Kemnitzer
Karen Lofstrom
Thomas Yan wrote:
> An acquaintence of mine is starting to look for a job. Her top 3 or 4
> interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
> glum because she would like a job that combines her top interests, but
> can't think of any. Her list reminded me that in general I am kind of
> clueless about what jobs involve just *one* of those interests.
Just about the only thing you can do with anthro is teach -- and there are
way too many PhDs and too few teaching jobs. One exception is combining
anthro and public health or nursing. Jobs there.
I think history is subject to much the same limitations.
> So, any ideas on what jobs there are for 1 or more of those interests?
Writing sf novels would hit all of them :) A career option only for the
few.
> (Well, I can list a few possibilities for books --critic, librarian or
> archivist [*], seller (physical or online), e-book researcher-- but in
> fact I don't think know what any those jobs actually entails.)
There are more people with library degrees than there are jobs. Library
degrees plus computer skills are saleable, I understand.
As for working with books, in publishing or bookselling -- I hear that
many of the jobs are both ill-paid and hard to get, but I speak only from
hearsay. There are a number of rasff denizens who can speak with much more
authority on this matter.
--
Karen Lofstrom lofs...@lava.net
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Katie Schwarz
>Thomas Yan wrote:
>
>> An acquaintence of mine is starting to look for a job. Her top 3 or 4
>> interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
>
I'm typing this in the offices of a company that employs several
anthropologists, full-time I think, for the cultural resources sections
of environmental impact reports that get written for new power plants
and other such large construction projects. They go out and scout the
site for historic and prehistoric artifacts, enter them in the state
database, contact Native American organizations for expertise on
particular locations, and write lots of reports. An officemate has
been spending a lot of time sorting the shells from a shell mound that
was excavated to make way for something (shopping center? I forget) in
Emeryville, which reveals how the local people's diet changed over
several hundred years. Recently there was a front-page story in the SF
Chronicle about a gold-rush-era ship being excavated where a hotel was
digging a foundation, and the archaeologist in charge wasn't in
academia, he has a consulting business.
The laws that create these jobs may be specific to the state of
California, I'm not sure.
My office mate says that academics sneer at people in these jobs
and ignore their data (but she's still trying to get back into a
PhD program).
--
Katie Schwarz
"There's no need to look for a Chimera, or a cat with three legs."
-- Jorge Luis Borges, "Death and the Compass"
Josh Kaderlan
> Karen Lofstrom <lofs...@lava.net> wrote:
>>Thomas Yan wrote:
>>
>>> An acquaintence of mine is starting to look for a job. Her top 3 or 4
>>> interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
>>
>>Just about the only thing you can do with anthro is teach --
>
> I'm typing this in the offices of a company that employs several
> anthropologists, full-time I think, for the cultural resources sections
> of environmental impact reports that get written for new power plants
> and other such large construction projects. They go out and scout the
> site for historic and prehistoric artifacts, enter them in the state
> database, contact Native American organizations for expertise on
> particular locations, and write lots of reports. An officemate has
> been spending a lot of time sorting the shells from a shell mound that
> was excavated to make way for something (shopping center? I forget) in
> Emeryville, which reveals how the local people's diet changed over
> several hundred years. Recently there was a front-page story in the SF
> Chronicle about a gold-rush-era ship being excavated where a hotel was
> digging a foundation, and the archaeologist in charge wasn't in
> academia, he has a consulting business.
Hey, this sounds familiar. One of the waitresses at my favorite
restaurant in Berkeley left to take a job doing just that. She was really
excited about it.
-Josh
Nancy Lebovitz
Karen Lofstrom <lofs...@lava.net> wrote:
>In article <tyan-E3E3EA.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>,
>Thomas Yan wrote:
>
>> An acquaintence of mine is starting to look for a job. Her top 3 or 4
>> interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
>> glum because she would like a job that combines her top interests, but
>> can't think of any. Her list reminded me that in general I am kind of
>> clueless about what jobs involve just *one* of those interests.
>
>Just about the only thing you can do with anthro is teach -- and there are
>way too many PhDs and too few teaching jobs. One exception is combining
>anthro and public health or nursing. Jobs there.
>
>I think history is subject to much the same limitations.
>
>> So, any ideas on what jobs there are for 1 or more of those interests?
>
>Writing sf novels would hit all of them :) A career option only for the
>few.
There's Elizabeth Peters' evil solution: from what I've heard, she couldn't
find a job as an Egyptologist, so she wrote good mystery novels about
Egyptology, thereby inspiring more people to become Egyptologists.
Cathy Doyle
Karen Lofstrom wrote:
Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media center,
he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he has a sideline
of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases on a freelance basis.
He doesn't read science fiction, however.
Cathy
Stephanie G. Folse
> An acquaintence of mine is starting to look for a job. Her top 3 or 4
> interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
> glum because she would like a job that combines her top interests, but
> can't think of any. Her list reminded me that in general I am kind of
> clueless about what jobs involve just *one* of those interests.
>
> So, any ideas on what jobs there are for 1 or more of those interests?
>
> (Well, I can list a few possibilities for books --critic, librarian or
> archivist [*], seller (physical or online), e-book researcher-- but in
> fact I don't think know what any those jobs actually entails.)
Those are my interests as well, and I am currently curate slides of art
and architectural history in the College of Architecture at Texas A&M.
I've got an MA in Anthro and Museum Studies, and am about to go back to
grad school in Library and Information Studies, to concentrate on online
databases and other types of resources, because (a) I need my MLS to go
any farther in this branch of the collections field and (b) the
computerization of databases and resources is where it's currently at.
Not having any clue what her educational background is, all I can say is
if she doesn't have a certificate or degree in something relating to
collections and wants to go in this direction, she should volunteer at a
museum, library, or archive in order to start building up experience.
It's a very competitive field that doesn't pay well for entry-level jobs.
I graduated with an MA and $40K in debt and got a job paying $9 an hour.
Four years later, I'm now making a reasonable salary, but it took my
supervisor leaving and my being promoted to his position to get out of the
hourly-wage category here. I'm making significantly more than he was due
to my MA, so it didn't pay off immediately but took a while[1].
If curation sounds interesting to her, and she wants to be involved in a
larger museum, she'll need a Ph.D. in her subject area to be competitive.
Library work pretty much requires an MLA. If she goes for a smaller
community museum, library, or archive, then it's not necessarily required,
but can still give her an edge.
--Stephanie
[1] Only in the financial sense. In the education-because-I-love-it
sense, it paid off immediately, of course.
--
Stephanie G. Folse schi...@cepheid.org sfo...@archone.tamu.edu
ConDFW , Dallas, TX: http://www.condfw.org/
Random blather: http://www.cepheid.org/~sfolse/
Michael J. Lowrey
>
> Thomas Yan <ty...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> > An acquaintence of mine is starting to look for a job. Her top 3 or 4
> > interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
> > glum because she would like a job that combines her top interests, but
> > can't think of any. Her list reminded me that in general I am kind of
> > clueless about what jobs involve just *one* of those interests.
> > So, any ideas on what jobs there are for 1 or more of those interests?
> Those are my interests as well, and I am currently curate slides of art
> and architectural history in the College of Architecture at Texas A&M.
> I've got an MA in Anthro and Museum Studies, and am about to go back to
> grad school in Library and Information Studies, to concentrate on online
> databases and other types of resources, because (a) I need my MLS to go
> any farther in this branch of the collections field and (b) the
> computerization of databases and resources is where it's currently at.
Where are you going, Stephanie?
> Not having any clue what her educational background is, all I can say is
> if she doesn't have a certificate or degree in something relating to
> collections and wants to go in this direction, she should volunteer at a
> museum, library, or archive in order to start building up experience.
>
> If curation sounds interesting to her, and she wants to be involved in a
> larger museum, she'll need a Ph.D. in her subject area to be competitive.
> Library work pretty much requires an MLA. If she goes for a smaller
> community museum, library, or archive, then it's not necessarily required,
> but can still give her an edge.
Here at UW-Milwaukee, we've got a coordinated degree program
where you are simultaneously earning an MS in Anthro and a
MLIS [Master of Library and Information Science] degree,
with a goal to "prepare students for positions as curators
of museums, libraries and as information specialists and
researchers for local history collections and state
historical societies... Students will acquire skills in
ethnographic research and will be prepared to handle the
information sources and services in the fields of
anthropological and genealogical studies, as well as museum,
library and gallery management."
I'm told that their graduates are very much in demand.
--
Michael J. Lowrey
Cultures & Communities Program
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Mary Kay Kare
<j...@zer0.org> wrote:
> Hey, this sounds familiar. One of the waitresses at my favorite
> restaurant in Berkeley left to take a job doing just that. She was really
> excited about it.
ObTangent: What's your favorite restaurant in Berkeley?
MKK--always on the lookout for good food
--
"I love my decadent, cosmopolitan, self-indulgent, racially-mixed, godless,
intellectually dilletante, drug-abusing, promiscuous, queer-loving country.
And its flag is the Stars and Stripes."
Patrick Nielsen Hayden
Mary Kay Kare
wrote:
> Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media center,
> he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he has a sideline
> of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases on a freelance basis.
>
> He doesn't read science fiction, however.
>
Wonder what would happen if someone threw a LeGuin or Tiptree his way...
MKK
Erik V. Olson
>In article <3BD59005...@home.com>, Cathy Doyle <cathy...@home.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media center,
>> he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he has a sideline
>> of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases on a freelance basis.
>>
>> He doesn't read science fiction, however.
>>
>Wonder what would happen if someone threw a LeGuin or Tiptree his way...
I'd hope he'd duck.
--
Erik V. Olson: * : er...@mo.net : http://walden.mo.net/~eriko/ : !quip
Mary Kay Kare
<oran...@uwm.edu> wrote:
> Here at UW-Milwaukee, we've got a coordinated degree program
> where you are simultaneously earning an MS in Anthro and a
> MLIS [Master of Library and Information Science] degree,
> with a goal to "prepare students for positions as curators
> of museums, libraries and as information specialists and
> researchers for local history collections and state
> historical societies... Students will acquire skills in
> ethnographic research and will be prepared to handle the
> information sources and services in the fields of
> anthropological and genealogical studies, as well as museum,
> library and gallery management."
Oh, wow. I gotta find out if that's available anywhere else. I've been
thinking about going back to school for a degree in Irish language/history
with anthropology and archaeology thrown in. This could be even better
esp. considering I've already got an MLIS.
Michael J. Lowrey
>
> Cathy Doyle <cathy...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media center,
> > he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he has a sideline
> > of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases on a freelance basis.
> >
> > He doesn't read science fiction, however.
> >
> Wonder what would happen if someone threw a LeGuin or Tiptree his way...
Emphasizing that it's Ursula _Kroeber_ LeGuin?
--
Michael J. Lowrey
ex-anthro major
Michael J. Lowrey
>
> "Michael J. Lowrey" <oran...@uwm.edu> wrote:
> > Here at UW-Milwaukee, we've got a coordinated degree program
> > where you are simultaneously earning an MS in Anthro and a
> > MLIS [Master of Library and Information Science] degree,
> > with a goal to "prepare students for positions as curators
> > of museums, libraries and as information specialists and
> > researchers for local history collections and state
> > historical societies... Students will acquire skills in
> > ethnographic research and will be prepared to handle the
> > information sources and services in the fields of
> > anthropological and genealogical studies, as well as museum,
> > library and gallery management."
>
> Oh, wow. I gotta find out if that's available anywhere else. I've been
> thinking about going back to school for a degree in Irish language/history
> with anthropology and archaeology thrown in. This could be even better
> esp. considering I've already got an MLIS.
AFAIK, it's unique to UW-Milwaukee.
You'd be welcome here, with or without Jordin. (I know
places where he can rent large garages, real cheap!)
Mary Kay Kare
er...@mvp.net wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:19:11 GMT, Mary Kay Kare <mar...@kare.ws> wrote:
> >In article <3BD59005...@home.com>, Cathy Doyle <cathy...@home.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media
center,
> >> he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he has a
sideline
> >> of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases on a freelance
basis.
> >>
> >> He doesn't read science fiction, however.
> >>
> >Wonder what would happen if someone threw a LeGuin or Tiptree his way...
>
> I'd hope he'd duck.
:-P
Mary Kay Kare
<oran...@uwm.edu> wrote:
Well, thanks, but the *weather*. If god meant for us to live like that
we'd all have built-in fur coats.
Josh Kaderlan
> In article <slrn9ta4l...@localhost.zer0.org>, Josh Kaderlan
><j...@zer0.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey, this sounds familiar. One of the waitresses at my favorite
>> restaurant in Berkeley left to take a job doing just that. She was really
>> excited about it.
>
> ObTangent: What's your favorite restaurant in Berkeley?
Saul's Deli, on the Upper North Side (as their T-shirts say). I've had
brunch there almost every Sunday since I moved to the Bay Area.
> MKK--always on the lookout for good food
If only ba.food weren't so South-Bay-oriented...
-Josh
Mary Kay Kare
<j...@zer0.org> wrote:
> In article <marykay-2310...@c797629-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com>,
> Mary Kay Kare wrote:
> > In article <slrn9ta4l...@localhost.zer0.org>, Josh Kaderlan
> ><j...@zer0.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey, this sounds familiar. One of the waitresses at my favorite
> >> restaurant in Berkeley left to take a job doing just that. She was really
> >> excited about it.
> >
> > ObTangent: What's your favorite restaurant in Berkeley?
>
> Saul's Deli, on the Upper North Side (as their T-shirts say). I've had
> brunch there almost every Sunday since I moved to the Bay Area.
>
> > MKK--always on the lookout for good food
>
> If only ba.food weren't so South-Bay-oriented...
>
Ain't that the truth. I still subscriber, but I don't really read a lot
of it. Except Meg Worley's comments. I always read those.
MKK
Michael J. Lowrey
> > > Oh, wow. I gotta find out if that's available anywhere else. I've been
> > > thinking about going back to school for a degree in Irish language/history
> > > with anthropology and archaeology thrown in. This could be even better
> > > esp. considering I've already got an MLIS.
> >
> > AFAIK, it's unique to UW-Milwaukee.
> >
> > You'd be welcome here, with or without Jordin. (I know
> > places where he can rent large garages, real cheap!)
> >
> Well, thanks, but the *weather*. If god meant for us to live like that
> we'd all have built-in fur coats.
This is Milwaukee, not Minneapolis or Rochester! It's
60-something degrees Fahrenheit today, frex.
--
Michael J. Lowrey
hasn't owned a heavy coat in years
Stephanie G. Folse
<oran...@uwm.edu> wrote:
> "Stephanie G. Folse" wrote:
> > I've got an MA in Anthro and Museum Studies, and am about to go back to
> > grad school in Library and Information Studies, to concentrate on online
> > databases and other types of resources, because (a) I need my MLS to go
> > any farther in this branch of the collections field and (b) the
> > computerization of databases and resources is where it's currently at.
>
> Where are you going, Stephanie?
University of Texas' Graduate School of Library and Information Science
(she says confidently, having not yet submitted her application
paperwork), most likely. I haven't looked seriously outside of Texas
because I really need to go for in-state tuition. The University of North
Texas offers a post-Masters certificate in digital image management, which
sounds very tempting, although I'd really prefer to go to UT because of
the Austin area. I shall, I think, send applications in to both and pick
the one that offers me the better financial package.
> Here at UW-Milwaukee, we've got a coordinated degree program
> where you are simultaneously earning an MS in Anthro and a
> MLIS [...]
> I'm told that their graduates are very much in demand.
*drool*. I wish I'd known about that when going for my first MA. I'd be
tempted now, except that with my pre-existing student loan load, I
definitely need to have in-state tuition.
--Stephanie
Thomas Yan
> Karen Lofstrom wrote:
>
-snip-
> > Just about the only thing you can do with anthro is teach -- and there are
> > way too many PhDs and too few teaching jobs. One exception is combining
> > anthro and public health or nursing. Jobs there.
-snip-
> Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media
> center, he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he
> has a sideline of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases
> on a freelance basis.
-snip-
Please pardon my ignorance, but how is anthro helpful for supervising a
media center? One possibility that I can think of, because it was
mentioned in a textbook, is that doing stuff like useability studies
involves observing how people actually (try to) use computer programs.
Thomas Yan
sfo...@archone.tamu.edu (Stephanie G. Folse) wrote:
> In article <tyan-E3E3EA.1...@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Thomas
> Yan <ty...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > An acquaintence of mine is starting to look for a job. Her top 3 or 4
> > interests are: books, history, and cultural anthropology or SF. She's
> > glum because she would like a job that combines her top interests, but
> > can't think of any.
-snip-
> Those are my interests as well, and I am currently curate slides of art
> and architectural history in the College of Architecture at Texas A&M.
-snip-
She said she doesn't want to work at a museum, but I'm not sure how
seriously she has looked into curating.
David Dyer-Bennet
60 even here in Minneapolis right now (5:32pm). But I think anywhere
that spends significant time below freezing would come in for the same
reaction from MKK, if I remember previous discussions of this. I mind
the summer more than the winter, myself, but at bottom I'd just say
that the climate isn't the reason people would want to live in
Minneapolis.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, dd...@dd-b.net / Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries
Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Stephanie G. Folse
Yan <ty...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> In article <sfolse-2310...@carcdh184.tamu.edu>,
> sfo...@archone.tamu.edu (Stephanie G. Folse) wrote:
[...]
> > Those are my interests as well, and I am currently curate slides of art
> > and architectural history in the College of Architecture at Texas A&M.
> -snip-
>
> She said she doesn't want to work at a museum, but I'm not sure how
> seriously she has looked into curating.
It's a skill set that is surprisingly applicable to all sorts of things -
anything that has you supervising and/or researching a collection of
sorts. I'm most familiar with museums and academic-type collections,
because that's what I'm interested in, but from what I hear from a friend
who just graduated from the UNC library school, apparently companies are
snapping up MLIS graduates who know how to handle information organization
and retrieval, even with the dot-bomb happening. (I haven't checked out
that info myself, so take it for what it's worth.)
If she's interested in archival or special collections work, have her
track down the National Archives and Records Administration website -
they've got an online job bank with job descriptions that can give her an
idea of what they're looking for. The Federal job bank can be quite
helpful as well - use 'musem' or 'curator' or 'archive' or 'collection' or
anything you can think of as keywords, and it'll pop up some interesting
things. I'd give you the URL, but I'd have to search for it and it's 5:03
right now - I've got a drawing class in an hour and have to find food
between now and then.
--Stephanie
Kip Williams
>
> In article <3BD59005...@home.com>, Cathy Doyle <cathy...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media center,
> > he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he has a sideline
> > of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases on a freelance basis.
> >
> > He doesn't read science fiction, however.
> >
> Wonder what would happen if someone threw a LeGuin or Tiptree his way...
You liberals think the answer to every problem is to throw authors
at it!
--
--Kip (Williams) ...at http://members.home.net/kipw/
"Not that there's anything wrong with that." --Seinfeld
Karen Lofstrom
> I'm typing this in the offices of a company that employs several
> anthropologists, full-time I think, for the cultural resources sections
> of environmental impact reports that get written for new power plants
> and other such large construction projects.
Hmmm. I hear "anthropology" and I think "cultural anthropology". I think
most archaeologists describe themselves as archaelogists, not
anthropologists. Even though physical anthropology, archaeology, and
cultural anthropology are usually all in the "anthro" dept, my experience
was that the specialists kept to themselves. (But I only know about the
UCBerkeley and U of Chicago anthro departments, as of 1970-1980. Of
course, the anti-scientific tilt of cultural anthro has increased since
then, which would probably widen the chasm between cultural and
physical/archaeo.)
But yes, there are jobs in salvage archaeology. A friend of mine does
that.
--
Karen Lofstrom lofs...@lava.net
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Lucy Kemnitzer
>In article <9r2s84$2061$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>, Katie Schwarz wrote:
>
>> I'm typing this in the offices of a company that employs several
>> anthropologists, full-time I think, for the cultural resources sections
>> of environmental impact reports that get written for new power plants
>> and other such large construction projects.
>
>Hmmm. I hear "anthropology" and I think "cultural anthropology". I think
>most archaeologists describe themselves as archaelogists, not
>anthropologists. Even though physical anthropology, archaeology, and
>cultural anthropology are usually all in the "anthro" dept, my experience
>was that the specialists kept to themselves. (But I only know about the
>UCBerkeley and U of Chicago anthro departments, as of 1970-1980. Of
>course, the anti-scientific tilt of cultural anthro has increased since
>then, which would probably widen the chasm between cultural and
>physical/archaeo.)
>
>But yes, there are jobs in salvage archaeology. A friend of mine does
>that.
>
But I think Katie's not talking about archaeology: I think she's
talking about people who have the wit to notice that a certain
streetcorner is an important community resource because it's where all
the men gather after work to stand around and talk, or that a certain
old rickety wharf scheduled for demolition to make room for a spiffy
new uptown project is where all the old folks get their squid and
trash fish that they live on, and like that: so they can describe the
_cutural_ impact proposed changes will have on a neighborhood and
beyond it.
Lucy Kemnitzer
Cathy Doyle
"Erik V. Olson" wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:19:11 GMT, Mary Kay Kare <mar...@kare.ws> wrote:
> >In article <3BD59005...@home.com>, Cathy Doyle <cathy...@home.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media center,
> >> he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he has a sideline
> >> of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases on a freelance basis.
> >>
> >> He doesn't read science fiction, however.
> >>
> >Wonder what would happen if someone threw a LeGuin or Tiptree his way...
>
> I'd hope he'd duck.
>
Beat me to it!
Cathy
Cathy Doyle
Thomas Yan wrote:
> In article <3BD59005...@home.com>,
> Cathy Doyle <cathy...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > Karen Lofstrom wrote:
> >
> -snip-
> > > Just about the only thing you can do with anthro is teach -- and there are
> > > way too many PhDs and too few teaching jobs. One exception is combining
> > > anthro and public health or nursing. Jobs there.
> -snip-
>
> > Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media
> > center, he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he
> > has a sideline of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases
> > on a freelance basis.
> -snip-
>
> Please pardon my ignorance, but how is anthro helpful for supervising a
> media center? One possibility that I can think of, because it was
> mentioned in a textbook, is that doing stuff like useability studies
> involves observing how people actually (try to) use computer programs.
>
Well it wasn't my first thought for a director either. This person came to me
looking for summer employment and we discussed the job as media center director in
passing. It turns out that one of his first jobs out of school involved a great
deal of technology and he dropped it when he moved because he had a PhD and you
know, you're supposed to teach and research with those. But, as we've been
discussing, it's hard to get jobs in anthro these days. My job was better than
teaching part time. Some of the skills you learn doing anthro are useful in this
job, which involves a great deal of trying to change the way people teach.
It's working for us.
Cathy
Thomas Yan
> [helpful info on curating]
Thanks, Stephanie, and also Lucy, Katie, and Cathie -- I've relayed
your remarks and suggestion on curating, teaching, construction impact
reports, and running a media center.
Mary Kay Kare
wrote:
> 60 even here in Minneapolis right now (5:32pm). But I think anywhere
> that spends significant time below freezing would come in for the same
> reaction from MKK, if I remember previous discussions of this.
Pretty much. Today's high where I live was 74. The low was 51 though...
Karen Lofstrom
> But I think Katie's not talking about archaeology: I think she's
> talking about people who have the wit to notice that a certain
> streetcorner is an important community resource ... [snip] ...
> so they can describe the
> _cutural_ impact proposed changes will have on a neighborhood and
> beyond it.
Yes, perhaps that's a better fit with what Katie wrote -- though you could
also read "cultural" resources as archaeological remains, as I did.
I guess I've been away from the field for too long. I dunno anyone who
works on current cultural impact for environmental impact statements. Much
of the skirmishing against development here in Hawai'i relies on
archaeological remains and the rest of it gets fought out in the state
legislature or the city council.
--
Karen Lofstrom lofs...@lava.net
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Michael J. Lowrey
>
> In article <9r2s84$2061$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>, Katie Schwarz wrote:
>
> > I'm typing this in the offices of a company that employs several
> > anthropologists, full-time I think, for the cultural resources sections
> > of environmental impact reports that get written for new power plants
> > and other such large construction projects.
>
> Hmmm. I hear "anthropology" and I think "cultural anthropology". I think
> most archaeologists describe themselves as archaelogists, not
> anthropologists. Even though physical anthropology, archaeology, and
> cultural anthropology are usually all in the "anthro" dept, my experience
> was that the specialists kept to themselves. (But I only know about the
> UCBerkeley and U of Chicago anthro departments, as of 1970-1980. Of
> course, the anti-scientific tilt of cultural anthro has increased since
> then, which would probably widen the chasm between cultural and
> physical/archaeo.)
When I took anthro at UofChi in 1971-72, planning to become
an archaeologist, archaeology was a discipline within
anthropology; but of course as a freshman I was probably
clueless as to internal politics of the field.
--
Michael J. Lowrey
X Chicago '72
still often clueless as to academic politics
Michael J. Lowrey
> > > Well I just hired someone with a PhD in anthro to supervise our media
> > > center, he's going to help the faculty with using technology. And he
> > > has a sideline of doing some sort of cultural analysis for army bases
> > > on a freelance basis.
> Well it wasn't my first thought for a director either. This person came to me
> looking for summer employment and we discussed the job as media center director in
> passing. It turns out that one of his first jobs out of school involved a great
> deal of technology and he dropped it when he moved because he had a PhD and you
> know, you're supposed to teach and research with those. But, as we've been
> discussing, it's hard to get jobs in anthro these days. My job was better than
> teaching part time. Some of the skills you learn doing anthro are useful in this
> job, which involves a great deal of trying to change the way people teach.
Pray, what is it you _do_, Cathy?
--
Michael J. Lowrey, Office Manager
curious in Milwaukee
Cathy Doyle
"Michael J. Lowrey" wrote:
I direct a library and a distance education program. Mainly, I keep Kip in line.
Cathy
Martin Wisse
wrote:
>
>
>"Michael J. Lowrey" wrote:
>> Pray, what is it you _do_, Cathy?
>>
>
>I direct a library and a distance education program. Mainly, I keep Kip in line.
That's a fulltime job and a half all in itself, I'm sure...
Martin Wisse
--
Thunderbird Two, green with a yellow stripe, just has to
have been build by John Deere.
-David G. Bell, rasseff
Arthur D. Hlavaty
wrote:
I thought that was what sociologists do, although James Farrell
defined them as "people who need a research grant to find a
whorehouse."
--
Arthur D.Hlavaty hla...@panix.com
Church of the SuperGenius in Wile E. we trust
E-zine available on request
Cathy Doyle
Martin Wisse wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:45:12 GMT, Cathy Doyle <cathy...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Michael J. Lowrey" wrote:
>
> >> Pray, what is it you _do_, Cathy?
> >>
> >
> >I direct a library and a distance education program. Mainly, I keep Kip in line.
>
> That's a fulltime job and a half all in itself, I'm sure...
>
> .
If you only knew...
Cathy
Kip Williams
So, they believe in being prepared.
Josh Kaderlan
Mary Kay Kare wrote:
> In article <slrn9tbmf...@localhost.zer0.org>, Josh Kaderlan
><j...@zer0.org> wrote:
>
>> In article <marykay-2310...@c797629-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com>,
>> Mary Kay Kare wrote:
>> > In article <slrn9ta4l...@localhost.zer0.org>, Josh Kaderlan
>> ><j...@zer0.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey, this sounds familiar. One of the waitresses at my favorite
>> >> restaurant in Berkeley left to take a job doing just that. She was really
>> >> excited about it.
>> >
>> > ObTangent: What's your favorite restaurant in Berkeley?
>>
>> Saul's Deli, on the Upper North Side (as their T-shirts say). I've had
>> brunch there almost every Sunday since I moved to the Bay Area.
>>
>> > MKK--always on the lookout for good food
>>
>> If only ba.food weren't so South-Bay-oriented...
>>
> Ain't that the truth. I still subscriber, but I don't really read a lot
> of it. Except Meg Worley's comments. I always read those.
I haven't really bothered to read much of it lately (although on my last
drop-in I saw that Tim May is frothing again). Meg's fun, but the rest of
the group bores me most of the time.
If you haven't been there yet, go to Liaison (on the corner of Shattuck
and Hearst, across from Oscar's). It's semi-traditional French, but
they're trying to pitch it kind of like tapas, so you can order a bunch of
food for the table and sample a little bit of everything. And save room
for the cheese selection for dessert.
-Josh
Mary Kay Kare
wrote:
> Mainly, I keep Kip in line.
>
Pretty much a full time job I should think.
Mary Kay Kare
<j...@zer0.org> wrote:
Sounds really yummy. Thanks for the pointer!
Lucy Kemnitzer
Sociologists quantify, quantify, quanitfy, mostly: surveys, yes-no
answers, statistics. Cultural anthropologists are capable of
quantifying, but most of the work they do involves intensive
observation and interviews and qualitative analysis. So thinking
about the meaning of a street corner, either a sociologist or an
anthropologist could stand around and chart the movements of the
neighbors through the space, and take notes on what they do there:
either could mount a wide-angle camera and take a continous film of it
over several days and then analyze -- in different ways most likely --
what transpires: a sociologist would be more likely and a cultural
anthropologist less likely to circulate a multiple-choice
questionnaire through the neighborhood, and the sociologist and the
anthropologist would probably think of slightly different questions:
the anthropologist would be more likely and the sociologist slightly
less likely to hang out at the street corner for a couple of months:
the anthropologist would be more likely to have open-ended interviews
with people, and the sociologist more likely to have survey
interviews: the sociologist would be more likely to use established
socioeconomic, age, gender, etc. categories when talking about the
people there, and the anthropologist would be more likely to attempt
to extract the categories that the people in the neighborhood use
themselves.
Both of these disciplines overlap and encompass one another, but there
is a definite difference in orientation.
Lucy Kemnitzer
Lucy Kemnitzer
David Goldfarb
Josh Kaderlan <j...@zer0.org> wrote:
>In article <marykay-2310...@c797629-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com>,
>Mary Kay Kare wrote:
>> ObTangent: What's your favorite restaurant in Berkeley?
>
>Saul's Deli, on the Upper North Side (as their T-shirts say). I've had
>brunch there almost every Sunday since I moved to the Bay Area.
Hell. I've just realized that I've lost a little tiny piece of
my childhood.
My family used to live up the hill a ways from where Saul's is, and
we'd eat out pretty often, and we'd go there. Only it wasn't called
"Saul's", it was called something different and I can't remember
what it was. I'm almost certain it started with an R.
To continue the tangent, a couple blocks down, just south of Cedar,
is Cafe de la Paz, which has excellent Latin & South American food.
They do a terrific chocolate mole sauce.
--
David Goldfarb <*>|From the fortune cookie file:
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |
|"Sell your ideas -- they are totally acceptable."
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu |
Josh Kaderlan
> In article <slrn9tbmf...@localhost.zer0.org>,
> Josh Kaderlan <j...@zer0.org> wrote:
>>In article <marykay-2310...@c797629-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com>,
>>Mary Kay Kare wrote:
>>> ObTangent: What's your favorite restaurant in Berkeley?
>>
>>Saul's Deli, on the Upper North Side (as their T-shirts say). I've had
>>brunch there almost every Sunday since I moved to the Bay Area.
>
> Hell. I've just realized that I've lost a little tiny piece of
> my childhood.
>
> My family used to live up the hill a ways from where Saul's is, and
> we'd eat out pretty often, and we'd go there. Only it wasn't called
> "Saul's", it was called something different and I can't remember
> what it was. I'm almost certain it started with an R.
It was still a deli, though, right? I remember talking with one of the
owners a while back (before they remodeled) and getting the history of the
place. Ack - I think they even used to have the old name up on the
facade.
I kind of miss the old Saul's. It made complete sense for them to remodel
and expand, but the new space just isn't as homey as the old one was.
It's still my default choice for comfort food, though.
> To continue the tangent, a couple blocks down, just south of Cedar,
> is Cafe de la Paz, which has excellent Latin & South American food.
> They do a terrific chocolate mole sauce.
I should really go there one of these days. Have you been to the new
Indian place further south on Shattuck? (The one run by the Breads of
India people.)
-Josh
Mary Kay Kare
<j...@zer0.org> wrote:
I saw a mention of it in the new Zagat, but it was too new for them to say
much except the owners had promised that this restaurant would take credit
cards. I'd be interested to hear if that's true.
MKK--oh boy, another new Indian place to try
Josh Kaderlan
> In article <slrn9tgj7...@localhost.zer0.org>, Josh Kaderlan
><j...@zer0.org> wrote:
>
>> I should really go there one of these days. Have you been to the new
>> Indian place further south on Shattuck? (The one run by the Breads of
>> India people.)
>>
> I saw a mention of it in the new Zagat, but it was too new for them to say
> much except the owners had promised that this restaurant would take credit
> cards. I'd be interested to hear if that's true.
I'll try and check it out the next time I'm in that part of Berkeley.
Which should be Sunday at the latest...
> MKK--oh boy, another new Indian place to try
Eh, if it's the same quality as Breads of India, give it a pass and go to
Bombay (on 9th and University) or Cafe Raj (near the foot of Solano)
instead. I've been underwhelmed by Breads of India, especially given a)
the wait and b) the "ambience".
Oh, and if you're ever in the City, check out India Oven on Fillmore just
off Haight. It's the best Indian food I've found in the Bay Area.
-Josh
Katie Schwarz
>On 24 Oct 2001 00:07:50 GMT, lofs...@lava.net (Karen Lofstrom) wrote:
>>In article <9r2s84$2061$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>, Katie Schwarz wrote:
>>
>>> I'm typing this in the offices of a company that employs several
>>> anthropologists, full-time I think, for the cultural resources sections
>>> of environmental impact reports that get written for new power plants
>>> and other such large construction projects.
>>
>>that.
>
>
>But I think Katie's not talking about archaeology: I think she's
>talking about people who have the wit to notice that a certain
>streetcorner is an important community resource because it's where all
>the men gather after work to stand around and talk, or that a certain
>old rickety wharf scheduled for demolition to make room for a spiffy
>new uptown project is where all the old folks get their squid and
>trash fish that they live on, and like that: so they can describe the
>_cutural_ impact proposed changes will have on a neighborhood and
>beyond it.
No, I meant looking for artifacts in the construction site. That's
what the historians/anthropologists I had in mind were doing.
Descriptions of what people are doing *now* at a site would go under
"Socioeconomics" or "Land Use", I think, and I'm not sure what sort of
people write those; probably sociologists. Those sections include
things like whether a lot of new employment will cause a housing
shortage, or whether pollution falls disproportionately on minority
communities.
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Katie Schwarz
"There's no need to look for a Chimera, or a cat with three legs."
-- Jorge Luis Borges, "Death and the Compass"