In article <jlnvc0$jf...@reader1.panix.com>, Keith F. Lynch
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> Tim McDaniel <t...@panix.com> wrote:
> > Do you read the meeting agendums? Do you look at the original
> > datums?
> When my brother and I were childs, we enjoyed listening to Mozart's
> opuses _The Magic Flute_ while eating fishes. Now that we're mans,
> we still do.
Not fishii?
-- Chris Henrich
http://www.mathinteract.com The total lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working.
Christopher J. Henrich <chenr...@monmouth.com> wrote:
> Usage is sovereign; if enough people started using "octopera" on
> the faulty analogy with "opus" - "opera" then "octopera" would be
> acceptable.
*Shudder*
> My online dictionary gives "octopodes" as the Greek plural. But in
> many circumstances that would be insufferably pedantic. I think I
> vote for naturalizing "octopus" all the way into English and using
> "octopuses" as the plural.
Why not make the plural octopiiiiiiii, to memorialize the eight? :-)
Similarly, tripodiii, quadrupediiii, hexapodiiiiii, and of course
centipediiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii?
>Christopher J. Henrich <chenr...@monmouth.com> wrote:
>> Usage is sovereign; if enough people started using "octopera" on
>> the faulty analogy with "opus" - "opera" then "octopera" would be
>> acceptable.
>*Shudder*
>> My online dictionary gives "octopodes" as the Greek plural. But in
>> many circumstances that would be insufferably pedantic. I think I
>> vote for naturalizing "octopus" all the way into English and using
>> "octopuses" as the plural.
>Why not make the plural octopiiiiiiii, to memorialize the eight?
>Similarly, tripodiii, quadrupediiii, hexapodiiiiii, and of course
>centipediiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii?
>I'll spare you the plural of millipede.
I recommend, then, respectively, octopviii, tripodiii, quadrupediv,
hexapodvi, centipedc, and millipedm.
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 12:35:57 -0700 (PDT), Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On Apr 7, 1:42 am, Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
>> > Do you read the meeting agendums? Do you look at the original datums?
>> > You can naturalize things or you can keep them in the original.
>> I'd say (1) No (2) Yes. Datum is a valid English word.
> ...and as I was with forum/forae, you'd be wrong.
> English is notoriously happy with grabbing words from other languages
> (cf James Nicoll below). 'Datum/data' was, until fairly recently, an
> unusual loan word from Latin. It was used mainly in the scientific
> community, which under the usual education curricula (another
> example), was populated by people who *knew* Latin, and how the word
> was pluralized in that language, which is irregular compared to
> 'normal' English.
Well my lecturers and professors were rather traditional and I was in a
rather science oriented degree. I might have picked this up from them. I
remember one of them spelt "connection" as "connexion" for example.
My university also awarded BAs for all subjects including science
subjects. One day they might catch up with the 20th century....
Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> writes:
> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 10:11:49 -0600, Steve Coltrin wrote:
>> begin fnord
>> Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> writes:
>>> I thought that the *BSD repository command was ports rather than mail?
>> It's 'make'. Unless you don't have root, in which case it's 'mail'.
> make is Gentoo, isn't it, unless it's emerge.
I don't know, I don't use Lugnuts.
-- Steve Coltrin spcol...@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here "A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed." - Associated Press
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 12:35:57 -0700 (PDT), Cryptoengineer wrote:
> > On Apr 7, 1:42 am, Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
> >> > Do you read the meeting agendums? Do you look at the original datums?
> >> > You can naturalize things or you can keep them in the original.
> >> I'd say (1) No (2) Yes. Datum is a valid English word.
> > ...and as I was with forum/forae, you'd be wrong.
> > English is notoriously happy with grabbing words from other languages
> > (cf James Nicoll below). 'Datum/data' was, until fairly recently, an
> > unusual loan word from Latin. It was used mainly in the scientific
> > community, which under the usual education curricula (another
> > example), was populated by people who *knew* Latin, and how the word
> > was pluralized in that language, which is irregular compared to
> > 'normal' English.
> Well my lecturers and professors were rather traditional and I was in a
> rather science oriented degree. I might have picked this up from them. I
> remember one of them spelt "connection" as "connexion" for example.
> My university also awarded BAs for all subjects including science
> subjects. One day they might catch up with the 20th century....
Phil:
I wasn't trying to disparage your education; 'forums' has pretty well
completed its transition to acceptance, and using the Latin plural is
a mite pretentious (which is what we're being above). I note that
'fora' gets 270M Google hits, while 'forums' is over 4B. Curricula/
curriculums gets 20M/6.6M, which surprised me; at least the perverse
'currculas' gets only 70k.
In article
<dd799ad4-6547-4faa-b060-6ff7e4752...@x17g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>'forums' has pretty well completed its transition to acceptance, and
>using the Latin plural [fora] is a mite pretentious
"mite pretentious"?!
I shan't accept less than "insufferably pedantic", though pro tem
I'd accept "ridiculously affected".
In article <jlskdg$ph...@reader1.panix.com>,
t...@panix.com (Tim McDaniel) wrote:
> In article
> <dd799ad4-6547-4faa-b060-6ff7e4752...@x17g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >'forums' has pretty well completed its transition to acceptance, and
> >using the Latin plural [fora] is a mite pretentious
> "mite pretentious"?!
> I shan't accept less than "insufferably pedantic", though pro tem
> I'd accept "ridiculously affected".
You're just bragging. I think "a mite pretentious" is, if anything, a mild exaggeration.
In article <5hon70.p2j.1...@news.alt.net>,
Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
>I remember one of them spelt "connection" as "connexion" for example.
I think that particular one is English/US as opposed to modern/old fashioned.
Do people in England still use that spelling?
-- David Goldfarb |"Never argue with a pedant over nomenclature.
goldfar...@gmail.com | It wastes your time and annoys the pedant."
goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Lois McMaster Bujold
Tim McDaniel <t...@panix.com> wrote:
> Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 'forums' has pretty well completed its transition to acceptance,
>> and using the Latin plural [fora] is a mite pretentious
> "mite pretentious"?!
> I shan't accept less than "insufferably pedantic", though pro tem
> I'd accept "ridiculously affected".
<garabik-news-2005...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
> Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
>> Does that allow you to list all files in that directory?
> No. lftp, however, does (for a certain definition of a "directory").
> OTOH, it does not display the last modification time, that's why I
> used httpfs2 instead (to keed up with the thread's topic).
> garabik@screewee:~$ lftp http://keithlynch.net/index.html > cd ok, cwd=/index.html > lftp keithlynch.net:/index.html> ls
> -rw-r--r-- -- email.html > -rw-r--r-- -- prison.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- DBS.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- weight.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- history.net.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- timeline.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- netvision.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- packrat.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- april1/index.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- cons.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- bike.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- spam.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- les/index.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- cryonet/index.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- bush.html
> -rw-r--r-- -- kfl.jpg
> lftp keithlynch.net:/index.html>
Are those just the files linked to from index.html? It's
certainly not a complete listing of files in the directory.
-- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
In article <jltfh4$sp...@reader1.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>Seriously, "fora" looks better to me than "forums." Just as "media"
>looks better than "mediums."
Depends on context. If I'm directing you where to put shirts in
different sizes, I'll say, "Put the larges on this table and the
mediums on that one" not "...the media on that one".
-- David Goldfarb |Seen on the marquee of a disused porn
goldfar...@gmail.com |theatre in New York City:
goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu | "What urge will save us now that sex won't?"
David Goldfarb <goldfar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <jltfh4$sp...@reader1.panix.com>,
>Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>Seriously, "fora" looks better to me than "forums." Just as "media"
>>looks better than "mediums."
>Depends on context. If I'm directing you where to put shirts in
>different sizes, I'll say, "Put the larges on this table and the
>mediums on that one" not "...the media on that one".
And at a convention of people who claim to converse with the spirits
of the dead, there would be ambiguity about who is in the ambit of the
Media Relations Office.
In article <M26o7B....@kithrup.com>, goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David
Goldfarb) wrote:
> In article <5hon70.p2j.1...@news.alt.net>,
> Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
> >I remember one of them spelt "connection" as "connexion" for example.
> I think that particular one is English/US as opposed to modern/old
> fashioned. Do people in England still use that spelling?
The Times used to until fairly recently, but I haven't read the paper
regularly for years so I can say for sure if they still do. And Russell
Hoban used the spelling in Riddley Walker (and he was American). But I
wouldn't usually use it myself.
On Apr 10, 10:59 am, p...@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:
> In article <M26o7B....@kithrup.com>, goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David
> Goldfarb) wrote:
> > In article <5hon70.p2j.1...@news.alt.net>,
> > Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
> > >I remember one of them spelt "connection" as "connexion" for example.
> > I think that particular one is English/US as opposed to modern/old
> > fashioned. Do people in England still use that spelling?
> The Times used to until fairly recently, but I haven't read the paper
> regularly for years so I can say for sure if they still do. And Russell
> Hoban used the spelling in Riddley Walker (and he was American). But I
> wouldn't usually use it myself.
The spellings used in Riddley Walker should not be taken as a guide
for current usage :-).
> David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:
>>> Not me. If I wanted something on paper, I used a printing terminal
>>> or a computer printer. Or I wrote it by hand.
>> I type maybe 4 times faster and infinitely more ligibly than I write
>> by hand, ...
> Me too. But pen and paper are much more portable than any typewriter,
> terminal, or computer that existed at the time.
Yep. And I have some in several camera bags, and used to in my daily
bag (kinda got lost in a size-reduction when it became a small camera
bag, not really satisfied with the change but still living with it).
Too often what I need to write down is coming from my phone for it to be
convenient to use that. I never *WANTED* a smart phone, I wanted a
candy-bar phone that supplied network connectivity and a good PDA; but
the market wasn't offering that.
>>> Expecting S.M. Stirling's _Dies the Fire_ "Change"? :-)
>> I think Pamela is.
> What baffles me is how many people find it attractive. No Internet,
> and you do hard labor from sun to sun to get barely enough to eat, and
> as likely as not bad guys will come and kill you and your whole family
> and take everything.
> On the plus side, the bad guys won't have guns, and there's never
> any spam. :-)
Lack of guns means it's a full-time job to be an effective fighter,
which leads you very quickly to warlords and an aristocracy that
disdains the peasantry, too. With guns, farmers and their wives and
children can do a decent job of holding off a raiding band.
I don't think Pamela actually really *wants* that scenario, but the
typewriter is insurance against it.
I've rated being a subsistence farmer as the least desirable possible
lifestyle for decades.
>>> My mother left at least three typewriters, two of them manual, one
>>> electric. Any idea how I can sell them?
>> I think the supply exceeds demand by a lot currently. They're at
>> the Craigslist or even Freecycle level, unless there's something
>> quite special about them.
> I'm hoping I'll have better luck selling her other stuff. It's a
> mystery to me how to sell her mysteries. (Mostly paperback, some
> hardback. I have a list, if anyone's interested.) Also lots of
> clothes, and enough shoes to put Imelda Marcos to shame.
With books it's time spent vs. return. Listing them individually on
Ebay is a lot of trouble but gets the best prices, and you don't have to
know which ones are valuable. Selling them all to a used book dealer
is very little trouble (at least for me; we have two mystery specialty
stores in town, one of them run by a friend of mine) but you don't get
nearly as much money.
-- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info
garabik-news-2005...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk writes:
> Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
>> <garabik-news-2005...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
>>> Keith F. Lynch <k...@keithlynch.net> wrote:
>>>> How do I do "ls" on a remote web page? That's a shell command, not
>>>> a browser command.
> > David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
> >> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:
> >>> Not me. If I wanted something on paper, I used a printing terminal
> >>> or a computer printer. Or I wrote it by hand.
> >> I type maybe 4 times faster and infinitely more ligibly than I write
> >> by hand, ...
> > Me too. But pen and paper are much more portable than any typewriter,
> > terminal, or computer that existed at the time.
> Yep. And I have some in several camera bags, and used to in my daily
> bag (kinda got lost in a size-reduction when it became a small camera
> bag, not really satisfied with the change but still living with it).
> Too often what I need to write down is coming from my phone for it to be
> convenient to use that. I never *WANTED* a smart phone, I wanted a
> candy-bar phone that supplied network connectivity and a good PDA; but
> the market wasn't offering that.
> >>> Expecting S.M. Stirling's _Dies the Fire_ "Change"? :-)
> >> I think Pamela is.
> > What baffles me is how many people find it attractive. No Internet,
> > and you do hard labor from sun to sun to get barely enough to eat, and
> > as likely as not bad guys will come and kill you and your whole family
> > and take everything.
> > On the plus side, the bad guys won't have guns, and there's never
> > any spam. :-)
> Lack of guns means it's a full-time job to be an effective fighter,
> which leads you very quickly to warlords and an aristocracy that
> disdains the peasantry, too. With guns, farmers and their wives and
> children can do a decent job of holding off a raiding band.
This, btw, is why guns are sometimes known as 'equalizers'. They put
predators in fear of their lives.
garabik-news-2005...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk writes:
> Tim McDaniel <t...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <jln5hb$nr...@speranza.aioe.org>,
>> <garabik-news-2005...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk> wrote:
>>>apt-get install httpfs2 :-)
>>>(I have no idea what OS Panix runs - but you've got the idea)
>> NetBSD 5.1.2. The install command here is "mail support".
>> They're very good.
> I think there is a port of fuse for NetBSD, so it might actually work.
> Out of curiosity, how much does an account at Panix cost?
> I am asking because the trend is to lease a virtual server (usually
> Linux), for something like 10€/month you have a pretty decent machine
> all for yourself to play with, sometimes together with VNC console if you > screw up the kernel or something.
I keep hearing this, and I keep looking, and I keep not being able to
find it. I tend to find places wanting me to pay 30 USD / month for a
really minimal machine -- in particular, one more limited than what I
get on my $10/month shared hosting at Dreamhost.com.
Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> writes:
> On Apr 11, 12:59 pm, David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:
>> > David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>> >> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:
>> >>> Not me. If I wanted something on paper, I used a printing terminal
>> >>> or a computer printer. Or I wrote it by hand.
>> >> I type maybe 4 times faster and infinitely more ligibly than I write
>> >> by hand, ...
>> > Me too. But pen and paper are much more portable than any typewriter,
>> > terminal, or computer that existed at the time.
>> Yep. And I have some in several camera bags, and used to in my daily
>> bag (kinda got lost in a size-reduction when it became a small camera
>> bag, not really satisfied with the change but still living with it).
>> Too often what I need to write down is coming from my phone for it to be
>> convenient to use that. I never *WANTED* a smart phone, I wanted a
>> candy-bar phone that supplied network connectivity and a good PDA; but
>> the market wasn't offering that.
>> >>> Expecting S.M. Stirling's _Dies the Fire_ "Change"? :-)
>> >> I think Pamela is.
>> > What baffles me is how many people find it attractive. No Internet,
>> > and you do hard labor from sun to sun to get barely enough to eat, and
>> > as likely as not bad guys will come and kill you and your whole family
>> > and take everything.
>> > On the plus side, the bad guys won't have guns, and there's never
>> > any spam. :-)
>> Lack of guns means it's a full-time job to be an effective fighter,
>> which leads you very quickly to warlords and an aristocracy that
>> disdains the peasantry, too. With guns, farmers and their wives and
>> children can do a decent job of holding off a raiding band.
> This, btw, is why guns are sometimes known as 'equalizers'. They put
> predators in fear of their lives.
David Dyer-Bennet <d...@dd-b.net> wrote:
> I keep hearing this, and I keep looking, and I keep not being able
> to find it.
Panix doesn't provide what you want? I know they provide colo as well
as shell accounts, and can provide MySQL on either.
-- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
