Now Poul Anderson!?
cha...@wil.net
As the producer of an anthology show designed to promote the top names in
literary sf/fantasy to a global viewing auidence (This Way Comes), I
simply have to say:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? What's next, a piano
falling on Larry Niven? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
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Dorothy J Heydt
<cha...@wil.net> wrote:
>
> Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? What's next, a piano
> falling on Larry Niven? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
Hope on, hope ever. As long as he stays in that wheelchair he
shouldn't be able to get into too much trouble.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt
O Deus
> Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? What's next, a piano
> falling on Larry Niven? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
All of the above were a shame but anything heavy falling on Larry Niven
could only be an improvement, not if Jerry Pournelle could be standing
in the same place as it fell too..
Jake
Wow, I didn't want to believe it but you really are just a troll.
*plonk*
Lenny Bailes
This, around here, is not considered a politickal way of saying that
you don't much care for the books they write.
--
Lenny Bailes | len...@speakeasy.net | http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~lennyb
Marilee J. Layman
>
>As the producer of an anthology show designed to promote the top names in
>literary sf/fantasy to a global viewing auidence (This Way Comes),
How kind of you to promote yourself first.
--
Marilee J. Layman
Bali Sterling Beads at Wholesale
http://www.basicbali.com
Dan Tilque
<cha...@wil.net> wrote
>
> Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!?
And Gordon Dickson, who died on 31 January.
I've never been to a WorldCon, but I believe they have some kind of
memorial service or wake for the writers and fans who've died in the
previous year, right? If so, they're going to have a real doozy this
year. I don't know if 4 major SF authors have died in one year
before.
--
Dan Tilque
Luke Webber
news:3B68D7...@bigfoot.com...
I was under the impression that a piano had already fallen on Larry Niven.
He was plainly dealt a serious head injury a good few years back.
Luke
Neil Belsky
> All of the above were a shame but anything heavy falling on Larry Niven
> could only be an improvement, not if Jerry Pournelle could be standing
> in the same place as it fell too..
You sir, are a miserable bastard.
Here's hoping there's a piano with your name on it falling from the skies.
Matt Ruff
>
> Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? What's
> next, a piano falling on Larry Niven?
Now there's a set-up line if ever I heard one...
-- M. Ruff
Douglas Berry
<od...@bigfoot.com> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>All of the above were a shame but anything heavy falling on Larry Niven
>could only be an improvement, not if Jerry Pournelle could be standing
>in the same place as it fell too..
No, an improvement would be if you happened to wander into the impact
zone just as III Corps artillery started firing qualification tables.
Jerk.
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
Kevin J. Maroney
>This, around here, is not considered a politickal way of saying that
>you don't much care for the books they write.
Gosh, you think not?
But I forgot--you think that T Deus is just "confused" rather than an
outright troll.
--
Kevin Maroney | kmar...@ungames.com
Kitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction
<http://www.nyrsf.com>
Avram Grumer
Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> O Deus wrote:
>
> > All of the above were a shame but anything heavy falling on Larry
> > Niven could only be an improvement, not if Jerry Pournelle could be
> > standing in the same place as it fell too..
>
> This, around here, is not considered a politickal way of saying that
> you don't much care for the books they write.
No, it's not. But to be fair, it's not utterly beyond the pale, either.
--
Avram Grumer | av...@grumer.org | http://www.PigsAndFishes.org
Phil Fraering
> In article <charawn-0108...@dyn27.pm3.wil.net>,
> <cha...@wil.net> wrote:
> >
> > Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? What's next, a piano
> > falling on Larry Niven? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
>
> Hope on, hope ever. As long as he stays in that wheelchair he
> shouldn't be able to get into too much trouble.
According to Jerry Pournelle's site, he's making brief walks
out of the wheelchair.
--
Phil Fraering "Do you like country music? So do I, and I
p...@globalreach.net sure do miss it..." -KBON radio announcer
Immortus45
> As the producer of an anthology show designed to promote the top names in
> literary sf/fantasy to a global viewing auidence (This Way Comes), I
> simply have to say:
>
>
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? What's next, a piano
> falling on Larry Niven? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
>
>
pronounced like Paul and just spelled funny ?
Robert J Reynolds
Your wit is exceeded by your charm, generousity of spirit, tact and
willingness to freely and openly support your opinions. Good fortune to
those who meet you-they shall have need of it, I expect.
Robert Reynolds
Tucson AZ
He was born with the gift of laughter and a belief that the world was
mad.
Raphael Sabatini
The man who does not read books has no advantage over one who cannot.
Mark Twain
The hottest circle of Hell is reserved for those who, in times of great
crisis, do nohing.
Edmund Burke
May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be always at your
back,may the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall soft upon
your fields, and until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of
his hand. Irish blessing
Andrew Stephenson
Immor...@yahoo.com "Immortus45" writes:
> [re: Poul Anderson]
>
> So how do you pronounce his name ? Is it pronounced Pole or is
> it pronounced like Paul and just spelled funny ?
"Powl" as in "howl" is pretty much how I learned it, too long ago
for me now to recall the day I first heard of him.
--
Andrew Stephenson
Stefan E. Jones
<charawn-0108...@dyn27.pm3.wil.net>,<cha...@wil.net> wrote:
> > > Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? What's next, a piano
> > > falling on Larry Niven? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
> > Hope on, hope ever. As long as he stays in that wheelchair he
> > shouldn't be able to get into too much trouble.
Phil Fraering wrote:
> According to Jerry Pournelle's site, he's making brief walks
> out of the wheelchair.
Damn coward. A REAL SF writer would have had those inferior sticks of
chalk and meat replaced with four or five neurally activated titanium
spider legs with myoelectric plastic muscles.
Or, at least, some nice casters from Home Depot.
Gawd, poor Niven. Don't write anything worthwhile in a decade and
they're dropping pianos on you. Chill out, people!
Dorothy J Heydt
Phil Fraering <p...@globalreach.net> wrote:
>According to Jerry Pournelle's site, he's making brief walks
>out of the wheelchair.
Well, that's good. I mean, the chair provides a good excuse
to sit around and vedge, but he's probably anxious to get back
up to his real office.
Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y
That'd be a good approximation. A true Dane would pronounce it somewhere
between "Paul" and "Powl", but you almost have to be trained from birth
to get it just right.
--
Leif Kj{\o}nn{\o}y | "Its habit of getting up late you'll agree
www.pvv.org/~leifmk| That it carries too far, when I say
Math geek and gamer| That it frequently breakfasts at five-o'clock tea,
GURPS, Harn, CORPS | And dines on the following day." (Carroll)
Dorothy J Heydt
Immortus45 <Immor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
> So how do you pronounce his name ? Is it pronounced Pole or is it
>pronounced like Paul and just spelled funny ?
Well, I heard his mother pronounce it once, and it was sort of
like P@ul, where "@" is the schwa, "uh", or basic Germanic grunt.
She always claimed he didn't pronounce it correctly himself. He
pronounced it Pole.
Omega
AOL
*PLONK*
--
Omega
WereGopher From The Black Lagoon
(coming soon... honest... only eight years late)
Michael J. Lowrey
> Andrew Stephenson <am...@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Immor...@yahoo.com "Immortus45" writes:
> >> So how do you pronounce his name ? Is it pronounced Pole or is
> >> it pronounced like Paul and just spelled funny ?
> >
> >"Powl" as in "howl" is pretty much how I learned it, too long ago
> >for me now to recall the day I first heard of him.
>
> That'd be a good approximation. A true Dane would pronounce it somewhere
> between "Paul" and "Powl", but you almost have to be trained from birth
> to get it just right.
He and I sat together at a con some years ago, with him
good-naturedly trying to teach me just the right vowel. We
both finally agreed to give up, as my upbringing had not
conditioned me to distinguish that particular vowel.
--
Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
didn't grow up near any Danes
Neil Belsky
news:o8rimt88ujh6a0hn5...@4ax.com:
> Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>This, around here, is not considered a politickal way of saying that
>>you don't much care for the books they write.
>
> Gosh, you think not?
>
> But I forgot--you think that T Deus is just "confused" rather than an
> outright troll.
>
Uh Keven, that was "O Deus".
Perhaps he meant "odious" and simply couldn't spell it.
Here's hoping my spell-checker is working.
Neil
CJW
fantasy or science fiction writing. The great thing about Poul was he knew the
DIFFERENCE between fantasy and science fiction and didn't try to pass one off as
the other. With his death, this now appears to be a dead art. The trash that is now
being bantered about as science fiction, especially on the tube, proves to me the
age of the great writers of SF is gone. More the pity.
CJW
Kip Williams
You say O Deus
We say T Deus
You think he odious,
We think he's tedious,
O Deus! T Deus! Odious! Tedious!
Let's call the whole thing off.
--from the song "Kevin knows what he's doing"
--
--Kip (Williams) ...at http://members.home.net/kipw/
"It's Robots versus Bunnies!" --Tom the Dancing Bug (by Ruben
Bolling)
Stefan E. Jones
>
> It is a pity about Poul. My great admiration toward him was not just for his
> fantasy or science fiction writing. The great thing about Poul was he knew the
> DIFFERENCE between fantasy and science fiction and didn't try to pass one off as
> the other. With his death, this now appears to be a dead art. The trash that is now
> being bantered about as science fiction, especially on the tube, proves to me the
> age of the great writers of SF is gone. More the pity.
NAHHH! For every good writer in Poul Anderson's cohort there were a
dozen hacks. SF writers who didn't understand what good fantasy was, and
fantasy writers who wrote crappy romantic-mush SF.
The same is true today. Lots of hacks, plus some stars who folks will
look back on fondly when they kick the bucket. (Or for the extropians in
the audiance, when their uploads are accidentally overwritten with
agressive memetic spam for a VR simulation of Zero-G interspecies
Twister published by a clade of sapient black smoker worms.)
Stefan
Marty Cantor
> In article <87lml2z...@globalreach.net>,
> Phil Fraering <p...@globalreach.net> wrote:
>
> >According to Jerry Pournelle's site, he's making brief walks
> >out of the wheelchair.
>
> Well, that's good. I mean, the chair provides a good excuse
> to sit around and vedge, but he's probably anxious to get back
> up to his real office.
Larry has been walking (well, *limping*) around LASFS the past several
Thursdays and I hope to see him there in a few hours. He still depends
upon Fuzzy (his wife) to do the driving, but it is good to see him
getting around.
--
Marty Cantor
North Hollywood
Keith F. Lynch
> What's next, a piano falling on Larry Niven?
No, he'll fall out of the window at a con, and die. After which his
real adventure will begin.
--
Keith F. Lynch - k...@keithlynch.net - http://keithlynch.net/
I always welcome replies to my e-mail, postings, and web pages, but
unsolicited bulk e-mail sent to thousands of randomly collected
addresses is not acceptable, and I do complain to the spammer's ISP.
Neil Belsky
news:9kctpq$ebg$1...@saltmine.radix.net:
> <cha...@wil.net> wrote:
>> What's next, a piano falling on Larry Niven?
>
> No, he'll fall out of the window at a con, and die. After which his
> real adventure will begin.
Oh G-d!
I know the reference.....
cha...@wil.net
In article <06shmtg931ivu17s0...@4ax.com>, Marilee J. Layman
<mjla...@erols.com> wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2001 22:36:39 -0500, cha...@wil.net wrote:
>
> >
> >As the producer of an anthology show designed to promote the top names in
> >literary sf/fantasy to a global viewing auidence (This Way Comes),
>
> How kind of you to promote yourself first.
Yes, it's gratuitous, but I had to say *something*!
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Neil Belsky
> It is a pity about Poul. My great admiration toward him was not just
> for his fantasy or science fiction writing. The great thing about Poul
> was he knew the DIFFERENCE between fantasy and science fiction and
> didn't try to pass one off as the other. With his death, this now
> appears to be a dead art. The trash that is now being bantered about as
> science fiction, especially on the tube, proves to me the age of the
> great writers of SF is gone. More the pity.
>
> CJW
>
> Omega wrote:
>
As a general note:
"The High Crusade" actually was filmed.
Try to imagine it being done by "Monty Python..." and you get the idea.
Everything but the coconuts.
Neil Belsky
..
> I was under the impression that a piano had already fallen on Larry
> Niven. He was plainly dealt a serious head injury a good few years
> back.
>
> Luke
>
>
>
Excuse me.
The Niven I remember is intelligent and well-spoken.
cha...@wil.net
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> <cha...@wil.net> wrote:
> > What's next, a piano falling on Larry Niven?
>
> No, he'll fall out of the window at a con, and die. After which his
> real adventure will begin.
Actually, he came close to being flung through the glass partition of a
4th floor atrium as he was being spun around in circles in a chair by the
feet by Mike Drennon at StellarCon 20....
mike weber
Magnar Kj|nn|y) typed
>In article <996778...@deltrak.demon.co.uk>,
>Andrew Stephenson <am...@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>In article <fbaa421a.01080...@posting.google.com>
>> Immor...@yahoo.com "Immortus45" writes:
>>
>>> [re: Poul Anderson]
>>>
>>> So how do you pronounce his name ? Is it pronounced Pole or is
>>> it pronounced like Paul and just spelled funny ?
>>
>>"Powl" as in "howl" is pretty much how I learned it, too long ago
>>for me now to recall the day I first heard of him.
>
>That'd be a good approximation. A true Dane would pronounce it somewhere
>between "Paul" and "Powl", but you almost have to be trained from birth
>to get it just right.
>
I got the impression it was somewhere in the vicinity of "pole" and
"pool", bit i may be misremembering, it's been years since last i
encounteres him personally to any extent.
--
=============================================================
"They put manure in his well and they made him talk to lawyers!"
-- Cat Ballou
mike weber -- kras...@mindspring.com
Book Reviews & More -- http://electronictiger.com
Ed Dravecky III
> Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > This, around here, is not considered a politickal way of
> > saying that you don't much care for the books they write.
>
> Gosh, you think not? But I forgot--you think that T Deus is
> just "confused" rather than an outright troll.
"T Deus"? You just made me snarf Diet Dr Pepper. (Ouch.)
RASFF Gold Star (and could somebdoy please get me a towel?)
--
Ed Dravecky III (ed3 at panix dot com)
No, seriously, it's bubbling in my sinuses. (Ouch!)
Ahasuerus
> Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? [snip]
He was a good writer and a very good man. I am very sorry :-(
[sounds of Garrett's "And none of them'd be missed" dying in the distance,
its heroes slowly fading away...]
--
Ahasuerus
Gareth Wilson
>
> Larry has been walking (well, *limping*) around LASFS the past several
> Thursdays and I hope to see him there in a few hours. He still depends
> upon Fuzzy (his wife) to do the driving, but it is good to see him
> getting around.
I must have missed this, what happened to him?
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gareth Wilson
Christchurch
New Zealand
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
O Deus
>
> Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
> > Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > This, around here, is not considered a politickal way of
> > > saying that you don't much care for the books they write.
> >
> > Gosh, you think not? But I forgot--you think that T Deus is
> > just "confused" rather than an outright troll.
>
> "T Deus"? You just made me snarf Diet Dr Pepper. (Ouch.)
Yeah, really hysterical and original. If it was any funnier, it would
put dogs to sleep.
But I wouldn't have responded with reposts if I'd know that the message
would go to RASSF, considering how you people get your panties all in a
bunch whenever you hear a contraversial opinion.
Fortunately you have at hand an impressive array of witticisms like
"T.Deus" to make those unplesant opinions go away.
O Deus
>
> O Deus wrote:
> >
> > cha...@wil.net wrote:
> >
> > > Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? What's next, a piano
> > > falling on Larry Niven? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
> >
> > All of the above were a shame but anything heavy falling on Larry Niven
> > could only be an improvement, not if Jerry Pournelle could be standing
> > in the same place as it fell too..
>
> you don't much care for the books they write.
But then I'm not a very political guy. And when I posted my message, it
was late at night and I didn't see that it was also being reposted to a
bunch of different groups
O. Deus
Dear sir,
You have a sig that would choke a horse, a WebTV account and a mind with the
barn door left open and the livestock long gone. But your posts do reveal
something beyond a sig line stuffed with extracts from Big Book of
Commonplace Quotes, a certain imperceptible sense that the great state of
Arizona might be gratefull if you didn't put your name before it.
After all proximity to Nevada and John McCain as Senator allready provide
enough fodder for shame without you claiming residency there too.
O. Deus
America, Earth, the Solar System, the Milky Way Galaxy, the Universe, the
Mind of God
Robert J Reynolds wrote in message
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Johan Anglemark
>Neil Belsky wrote:
>> Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>> > Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >>This, around here, is not considered a politickal way of saying that
>> >>you don't much care for the books they write.
>> >
>> > Gosh, you think not?
>> >
>> > But I forgot--you think that T Deus is just "confused" rather than an
>> > outright troll.
>> >
>>
>> Uh Keven, that was "O Deus".
>> Perhaps he meant "odious" and simply couldn't spell it.
>> Here's hoping my spell-checker is working.
Unless he really spells it Keven, it isn't.
>You say O Deus
>We say T Deus
>You think he odious,
>We think he's tedious,
>O Deus! T Deus! Odious! Tedious!
>Let's call the whole thing off.
> --from the song "Kevin knows what he's doing"
I herewith award thee one of those shiny little rockets called rasff awards,
of which thou most certainly by now hast as many as Mr. Langford hath of The
Other Kind.
-j
--
Johan Anglemark
Lejd av Upsala SF-sällskap
http://sfweb.dang.se
Del Cotter
Ed Dravecky III <e...@panix.com> said:
>Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>> > This, around here, is not considered a politickal way of
>> > saying that you don't much care for the books they write.
>>
>> Gosh, you think not? But I forgot--you think that T Deus is
>> just "confused" rather than an outright troll.
>
>"T Deus"? You just made me snarf Diet Dr Pepper. (Ouch.)
It was Kip's gag originally, and I think Kevin was using it as such.
--
Del Cotter d...@branta.demon.co.uk
Lenny Bailes
>
> Neil Belsky wrote:
> >
> > Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote in
> > news:o8rimt88ujh6a0hn5...@4ax.com:
> >
> > > Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>This, around here, is not considered a politickal way of saying that
> > >>you don't much care for the books they write.
> > >
> > > Gosh, you think not?
> > >
> > > But I forgot--you think that T Deus is just "confused" rather than an
> > > outright troll.
> > >
> >
> > Uh Keven, that was "O Deus".
> > Perhaps he meant "odious" and simply couldn't spell it.
> > Here's hoping my spell-checker is working.
>
> You say O Deus
> We say T Deus
> You think he odious,
> We think he's tedious,
> O Deus! T Deus! Odious! Tedious!
> Let's call the whole thing off.
> --from the song "Kevin knows what he's doing"
>
My guess is that O Deus actually doesn't understand the effect
of what he says, and possibly might be capable of learning other
ways to express himself. But the r.a.s.f.f. group mind also
knows that I don't know what I'm doing.
(I'm just stolidly behind the curve, occasionally empathizing with a
bad guy; someone with an alienated adolescent mindset who hasn't
learned how to talk to adults. It's already 45 to 4 that he's nothing
but a deliberately malevolent troll. Trolls sit alone in their halls
of stone -- forever, as we all know. So why waste time trying to
unfreeze one?)
It's a sucker's game, and *r.a.s.f.f.a.n.s are not suckers.* Except
me. I call the Troll thing, "oaf."
(Setting aside a discussion of the mixed anger and admiration inspired
by nameless individuals who encourage billions of dollars to be poured
down ratholes, while simultaneously spending hundreds of hours working
for charities, helping children to read, and so on.)
However, I winnow the grain of wheat in your pillbox, here, which
suggests the wisdom of allocating more time for empathy with the Good
Guys.
Greg Brown's Dream Cafe has morphed into a Dianetics infomercial
as I compose these thoughts, so I think it's time to switch off the TV
and go to bed.
--
Lenny Bailes | len...@speakeasy.net | http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~lennyb
Marc Ortlieb
Belsky <bea...@medscape.com> wrote:
It's a bloody horrible film. I watched it out of a sense of duty. Okay,
it's supposed to be funny, but it isn't. Sigh. I would have liked to have
seen a better effort made on some of Anderson's work. Who could play van
Rijn?
Deann Allen
>
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>
> > In article <charawn-0108...@dyn27.pm3.wil.net>,
> > <cha...@wil.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? What's
> > > next, a piano falling on Larry Niven?
> > > Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............
> >
> > shouldn't be able to get into too much trouble.
>
> According to Jerry Pournelle's site, he's making brief walks
> out of the wheelchair.
Oh, good! :)
D.
--
People are not simple, and one pigeonhole almost never suffices to
hold them. -- Lois Bujold
-----------------------------------------
Neil Belsky
> It's a bloody horrible film. I watched it out of a sense of duty. Okay,
> it's supposed to be funny, but it isn't. Sigh. I would have liked to
> have seen a better effort made on some of Anderson's work. Who could
> play van Rijn?
>
Did I say it was a good film?
As far as I know it went direct to video.
van Rijn?
Well, let's see if Robby Coltraine does a good Hagrid.
If he can fake a dutch accent, maybe.
Kip Williams
> My guess is that O Deus actually doesn't understand the effect
> of what he says, and possibly might be capable of learning other
> ways to express himself. But the r.a.s.f.f. group mind also
> knows that I don't know what I'm doing.
>
> (I'm just stolidly behind the curve, occasionally empathizing with a
> bad guy; someone with an alienated adolescent mindset who hasn't
> learned how to talk to adults. It's already 45 to 4 that he's nothing
> but a deliberately malevolent troll. Trolls sit alone in their halls
> of stone -- forever, as we all know. So why waste time trying to
> unfreeze one?)
Trying to unfreeze a true troll might be a waste of time. The hard
part is telling a troll from someone who merely doesn't make a good
first impression. Kristopher is a case in point -- within a
relatively short period of time, he has found a way to accomodate
himself to the group without letting go (as near as I can tell) of
what makes him himself. A true Rassfan, imho.
It doesn't look, however, like our unique combination of good
cop/bad cop/totally unhinged cop is working on T Deus. But you can
keep on your way, and if he turns out to be a valuable member of
society, we'll try and remember you told us it might be so.
Douglas Berry
<od...@bigfoot.com> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>But I wouldn't have responded with reposts if I'd know that the message
>would go to RASSF, considering how you people get your panties all in a
>bunch whenever you hear a contraversial opinion.
You have stated that the world would be improved by crushing a writer
you dislike to death. This makes you an idiot. This is not an
opinion, mind you, this is a fact.
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
Andrew Stephenson
mort...@vicnet.net.au "Marc Ortlieb" writes:
> In article <Xns90F1D73081F69be...@207.225.159.6>, Neil
> Belsky <bea...@medscape.com> wrote:
>
> [re: "The High Crusade"]
>
> It's a bloody horrible film. I watched it out of a sense of
> duty. Okay, it's supposed to be funny, but it isn't. Sigh.
AOL, with mustard.
> I would have liked to have seen a better effort made on some of
> Anderson's work. Who could play van Rijn?
Whilst being very wary of these "let's cast a show" threads, if
we are allowed time travel (and why not, given where we are) I'd
say someone like Charles Laughton could handle it. I also think
today's CGI could "cast" his whole ET trading team.
Come to think of it, Poul Anderson's stories made it seem normal
for real people to come in non-humanoid shapes.
--
Andrew Stephenson
Kevin J. Maroney
>I must have missed this, what happened to [Larry Niven]?
Tore something while doing yoga. Has been in a wheelchair for several
months as a result. I believe his prognosis is for complete recovery,
but it's slow.
--
Kevin Maroney | kmar...@ungames.com
Kitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction
<http://www.nyrsf.com>
Avram Grumer
Douglas Berry <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 03 Aug 2001 06:09:29 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as O Deus
> <od...@bigfoot.com> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>
> >But I wouldn't have responded with reposts if I'd know that the
> >message would go to RASSF, considering how you people get your
> >panties all in a bunch whenever you hear a contraversial opinion.
>
> You have stated that the world would be improved by crushing a writer
> you dislike to death. This makes you an idiot. This is not an
> opinion, mind you, this is a fact.
No it isn't. How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist? (Other than the fact that most of
us like Niven better than we do Helms and Rehnquist.)
--
Avram Grumer | Darkness within darkness.
av...@grumer.org | The gateway to all understanding.
www.PigsAndFishes.org | Please use all available doors.
Geoffrey Kidd
Stephenson) wrote:
>In article <mortlieb-ya023580...@news.vicnet.net.au>
> mort...@vicnet.net.au "Marc Ortlieb" writes:
>
>> In article <Xns90F1D73081F69be...@207.225.159.6>, Neil
>> Belsky <bea...@medscape.com> wrote:
>>
>> [re: "The High Crusade"]
>>
>> It's a bloody horrible film. I watched it out of a sense of
>> duty. Okay, it's supposed to be funny, but it isn't. Sigh.
>
Couldn't even watch it on DVD. I mentioned to Karen
that Poul's name on the DVD case was mis-spelled "Paul" and
she replied "Thank G_d. Maybe nobody will associate him
with it."
O Deus
> first impression. Kristopher is a case in point -- within a
> relatively short period of time, he has found a way to accomodate
> himself to the group without letting go (as near as I can tell) of
> what makes him himself. A true Rassfan, imho.
Hmm...'accomodate himself to the group'
Nice choiche of words, nicely creepy too. Never been much for
groupthink though, sorry.
Kevin J. Maroney
>How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
>Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist?
Wanting someone to be crushed to death for writing sub-par novels
seems rather different from wanting lighting to strike someone who has
systematically used the power of government to bring active harm to
living people. But perhaps that's just a superficial difference.
Cheryl Deering
"Kevin J. Maroney" wrote:
>
> Gareth Wilson <gr...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
> >I must have missed this, what happened to [Larry Niven]?
>
> Tore something while doing yoga.
From _yoga_? I thought that was one of the more
peaceful, mild forms of exercise. Good grief. . .
> Has been in a wheelchair for several
> months as a result. I believe his prognosis is for complete recovery,
> but it's slow.
All the best to him--that's rough.
C.
**
Michael J. Lowrey
>
> "Kevin J. Maroney" wrote:
> > Gareth Wilson <gr...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
> > >I must have missed this, what happened to [Larry Niven]?
> >
> > Tore something while doing yoga.
>
> From _yoga_? I thought that was one of the more
> peaceful, mild forms of exercise. Good grief. . .
We're Amurricans! We can turn even yoga into a competitive
sport!
(I don't presume that Larry was doing anything of the sort,
but it seems a very American attitude to these things.)
--
Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
mike weber
typed
Is Leo McKern still with us?
Lenny Bailes
I think he means pick up on the baseline for polite conversation in
this particular environment. That's what I meant, anyway.
Lenny Bailes
>
> Avram Grumer <agr...@grumer.org> wrote:
> >How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
> >Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist?
>
> Wanting someone to be crushed to death for writing sub-par novels
> seems rather different from wanting lighting to strike someone who has
> systematically used the power of government to bring active harm to
> living people. But perhaps that's just a superficial difference.
>
It gets mixed up in some cases. But I, personally, wouldn't wish
the lightning strike in either instance.
David T. Bilek
<kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>Avram Grumer <agr...@grumer.org> wrote:
>>How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
>>Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist?
>
>Wanting someone to be crushed to death for writing sub-par novels
>seems rather different from wanting lighting to strike someone who has
>systematically used the power of government to bring active harm to
>living people. But perhaps that's just a superficial difference.
>
If somebody besides ODeus had made a similar comment, it would almost
certainly be taken as humor and chuckled at. Witness Matt Ruff's fake
news release. ODeus is a putz, so Im not too worried, but saying
something like "The average quality of SF would be improved if a piano
fell on X" doesnt strike me as the sort of thing that would get a
regular jumped on.
I guess I'm saying that it's ODeus who makes what he said offensive,
not something necessarly intrinsic to the statement.
-David
David T. Bilek
<oran...@uwm.edu> wrote:
>Cheryl Deering wrote:
>>
>> "Kevin J. Maroney" wrote:
>> > Gareth Wilson <gr...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
>> > >I must have missed this, what happened to [Larry Niven]?
>> >
>> > Tore something while doing yoga.
>>
>> From _yoga_? I thought that was one of the more
>> peaceful, mild forms of exercise. Good grief. . .
>
>We're Amurricans! We can turn even yoga into a competitive
>sport!
>
<Tom Servo> Yoga... EXTREME!!!!!!! </Tom Servo>
-David
Thomas Yan
Avram Grumer <agr...@grumer.org> wrote:
>[...] How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
>Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist? (Other than the fact that most of
>us like Niven better than we do Helms and Rehnquist.)
I'm mostly with you, and would point out while it might be easier to
engineer that a lightning strike, it is still pretty hard to engineer.
However, I also agree (with a later post) that since O Deus seems
determined to present himself in a poor light, it is natural to take
his comment as being part of his overall campaign.
--
Thomas Yan (ty...@cs.cornell.edu) I don't speak for Cornell University
Be pro-active. Fight sucky software and learned helplessness.
Apologies for any lack of capitalization; typing hurts my hands.
Omega
<deer...@mindspring.com> writes
>
>
>"Kevin J. Maroney" wrote:
>>
>> Gareth Wilson <gr...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
>> >I must have missed this, what happened to [Larry Niven]?
>>
>> Tore something while doing yoga.
>
>
>From _yoga_? I thought that was one of the more
>peaceful, mild forms of exercise. Good grief. . .
>
http://www.larryniven.org/larryletter18-04-01.htm
--
Omega
"The hippies wanted peace and love. We wanted Ferraris, blondes and
switchblades."
Alice Cooper
Thomas Yan
Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>O Deus wrote:
>>
>> Hmm...'accomodate himself to the group'
>>
>> Nice choiche of words, nicely creepy too.
Er, it's not like he had a lobotomy or Betan-style psychotherapy.
Do you think it's creepy that Southerners going away to college often
alter their accents and speech patterns to avoid appearing stupid or
cute? I think the need for such accommodation is unfortunate, but not
creepy.
>> Never been much for groupthink though, sorry.
I think you might need to distinguish between "group norms for
courtesy" versus "blind group-think" and "mob hysteria".
> I think he means pick up on the baseline for polite conversation in
> this particular environment. That's what I meant, anyway.
Plus, I suspect that in many cases there is mutual accommodation,
based on large part on the apparent willingness of the concerned
participants to pay attention and think about and address what is
being said.
Captain Button
> On Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:04:25 GMT, Neil Belsky <bea...@medscape.com>
> typed
>>
>>> It's a bloody horrible film. I watched it out of a sense of duty. Okay,
>>> it's supposed to be funny, but it isn't. Sigh. I would have liked to
>>> have seen a better effort made on some of Anderson's work. Who could
>>> play van Rijn?
>>>
>>
>>Did I say it was a good film?
>>As far as I know it went direct to video.
>>van Rijn?
>>Well, let's see if Robby Coltraine does a good Hagrid.
>>If he can fake a dutch accent, maybe.
>>
> Is Leo McKern still with us?
IMDB thinks so, and he was in a movie as recently as 1999.
http://us.imdb.com/Name?McKern,+Leo
--
"Gee, who'd a thunk it? Turns out alien superintelligence is
no match for our Earthly can-do spunk." - Jane Lane, "Daria"
Captain Button - [ but...@io.com ]
David Dyer-Bennet
> Avram Grumer <agr...@grumer.org> wrote:
> >How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
> >Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist?
>
> Wanting someone to be crushed to death for writing sub-par novels
> seems rather different from wanting lighting to strike someone who has
> systematically used the power of government to bring active harm to
> living people. But perhaps that's just a superficial difference.
I don't think it's completely superficial. Wishing active harm on
people is an extreme thought (most of us do it now and then, at least
briefly, anyway; and most of us wouldn't actually take a baseball bat
to them if we really had the chance, either); but I agree that Helms
and Rehnquist have done far, far, more *real* damage than most
authors, and it's thus more reasonable to seriously despise
them. Setting aside this Yahweh person allegedly responsible for
*that* book, and Karl Marx, and perhaps Adolf Hitler (I'm not at all
clear that his work as an author caused much damage, though it
*wanted* to), and *maybe* possibly Ayn Rand, I can't think of a lot of
authors who really have a lot to answer for, on the global scale.
--
David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd...@dd-b.net
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Booknotes: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/
David G. Bell
ty...@twinkie.cs.cornell.edu "Thomas Yan" wrote:
> In article <agrumer-2D33EB...@news1.panix.com>,
> Avram Grumer <agr...@grumer.org> wrote:
>
> >[...] How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
> >Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist? (Other than the fact that most of
> >us like Niven better than we do Helms and Rehnquist.)
>
> I'm mostly with you, and would point out while it might be easier to
> engineer that a lightning strike, it is still pretty hard to engineer.
>
> However, I also agree (with a later post) that since O Deus seems
> determined to present himself in a poor light, it is natural to take
> his comment as being part of his overall campaign.
_Especially_ considering the thread it's posted in...
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
If I were to go back to my schooldays, knowing what I know now, I would
pack cheese sandwiches for lunch.
Thomas Yan
Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> My guess is that O Deus actually doesn't understand the effect
> of what he says, and possibly might be capable of learning other
> ways to express himself.
Maybe.
> But the r.a.s.f.f. group mind also
> knows that I don't know what I'm doing.
(I'm rather insecure and hence guilty of doing the same thing, but it
gives me no pleasure to see you do it, too. Please cut that out:
Please don't hit yourself or complain about being unfairly hit until
you are actually dog-piled.)
> (I'm just stolidly behind the curve, occasionally empathizing with a
> bad guy; someone with an alienated adolescent mindset who hasn't
> learned how to talk to adults. It's already 45 to 4 that he's nothing
> but a deliberately malevolent troll. Trolls sit alone in their halls
> of stone -- forever, as we all know. So why waste time trying to
> unfreeze one?)
I'm ambivalent about this sort of thing. On RASFW I once tried to
draw out in e-mail someone who not only stubbornly top-posted, but
didn't prepend >s on quoted text. During the course of some friendly
exchanges, I found out that she perceived all the requests to follow
usenet-norms to be rude, and thus top-posting just to be contrary.
However, she did agree to at least prepend >s on quoted text.
So, was that worth the time and effort I spent? Maybe yes, in that
perhaps I learned that polite requests to use nice formatting should
ultra-gently framed and perhaps more people would actually be willing
to use proper formatting. However, in terms of the impact on RASFW?
Probably no: She continued top-posting, and top-posted stuff that
largely did not interest me, so in some sense, that was wasted time
and effort.
> It's a sucker's game, and *r.a.s.f.f.a.n.s are not suckers.* Except
> me. I call the Troll thing, "oaf."
> [...]
Has the oaf indicated both a willingness and desire to be drawn into
polite conversation? If so, although you're not his/her parent, I
think I would see your efforts as admirable, in much the same way that
I do Avedon's efforts. But if not, I would tend to think you're
wasting your time.
(I recently realized that I was surprised that a certain troll, to
judge from quoted replies, doesn't throw in top-posting, crappy line
lengths, and mime/html.)
Arthur D. Hlavaty
<kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>Avram Grumer <agr...@grumer.org> wrote:
>>How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
>>Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist?
>
>Wanting someone to be crushed to death for writing sub-par novels
>seems rather different from wanting lighting to strike someone who has
>systematically used the power of government to bring active harm to
>living people. But perhaps that's just a superficial difference.
It strikes me as excessive, but not as proof of idiocy.
Lenny Bailes
From which statement one might derive the concept that if one
picks up a "jacket" on r.a.s.f.f., removing it later on _may_
take considerable effort. Let careless collar-fluffers, take heed.
Mike Van Pelt
Marc Ortlieb <mort...@vicnet.net.au> wrote:
>I would have liked to have seen a better effort made on some
>of Anderson's work. Who could play van Rijn?
A couple of names come to mind, but they're all dead.
I guess the image that generally came to my mind while reading
(and re-reading, and re-re-reading) the Polesotechnic League
stories was a shorter version of Jackie Gleason. (Not Ralph
Kramden, of course; Gleason's acting range, I think, encompassed
what could have been a very good van Rijn.)
--
Mike Van Pelt Missing scene from "A.I.":
mvp at calweb.com "I see blue screens."
KE6BVH
Thomas Yan
Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>David T. Bilek wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> I guess I'm saying that it's ODeus who makes what he said offensive,
>> not something necessarly intrinsic to the statement.
>
> From which statement one might derive the concept that if one
> picks up a "jacket" on r.a.s.f.f., removing it later on _may_
> take considerable effort. Let careless collar-fluffers, take heed.
Although Henry V pulled it off in Shakespeare's play, I think it is
generally true that once one acquires a reputation, it can be hard to
shake off.
It also goes the other way: Someone well-regarded is likely to receive
more leeway when they say something stupid.
Chad Irby
> I would have liked to have
> seen a better effort made on some of Anderson's work. Who could play van
> Rijn?
Oliver Platt. See his performance in "The Three Musketeers."
mike weber
<deer...@mindspring.com> typed
>
>From _yoga_? I thought that was one of the more
>peaceful, mild forms of exercise. Good grief. . .
>
What -- stuffing your left heel in your right ear from behind?
mike weber
<len...@speakeasy.net> typed
>Kevin J. Maroney wrote:
>>
>> Avram Grumer <agr...@grumer.org> wrote:
>> >How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
>> >Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist?
>>
>> Wanting someone to be crushed to death for writing sub-par novels
>> seems rather different from wanting lighting to strike someone who has
>> systematically used the power of government to bring active harm to
>> living people. But perhaps that's just a superficial difference.
>>
>
>It gets mixed up in some cases. But I, personally, wouldn't wish
>the lightning strike in either instance.
>
A near-miss, though, accompanied by some Serious Words in a Loud And
Carrying Voice, now...
Neil Belsky
news:3b6af98f.3429421@localhost:
> On Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:04:25 GMT, Neil Belsky <bea...@medscape.com>
> typed
>
>>Did I say it was a good film?
>>As far as I know it went direct to video.
>>van Rijn?
>>Well, let's see if Robby Coltraine does a good Hagrid.
>>If he can fake a dutch accent, maybe.
>>
> Is Leo McKern still with us?
Still alive, but ancient of days.
Perhaps the gent who plays Nero Wolfe in the current version
(Maury Chaykin).
Ed Dravecky III
> Setting aside this Yahweh person allegedly responsible for
> *that* book, and Karl Marx, and perhaps Adolf Hitler (I'm not
> at all clear that his work as an author caused much damage,
> though it *wanted* to), and *maybe* possibly Ayn Rand, I can't
> think of a lot of authors who really have a lot to answer for,
> on the global scale.
What about L-R*n H*bb*rd? (grep-foil, new from DuPont!)
--
Ed Dravecky III (ed3 at panix dot com)
Clever sig line to follow. Watch this space.
Kevin J. Maroney
>It strikes me as excessive, but not as proof of idiocy.
In a thread about the just-past death of a beloved author, and in a
newsgroup where one has a reputation as a fugghead, it seems to go
several steps beyond "intemperate".
Avedon Carol
>Kip Williams <ki...@home.com> wrote in message
>
>> first impression. Kristopher is a case in point -- within a
>> relatively short period of time, he has found a way to accomodate
>> himself to the group without letting go (as near as I can tell) of
>> what makes him himself. A true Rassfan, imho.
>
>Hmm...'accomodate himself to the group'
>
>Nice choiche of words, nicely creepy too. Never been much for
>groupthink though, sorry.
Yes, it's true, we have worked our voodoo on Kristopher and now he is
EXACTLY LIKE ME! And so is Kip, and so is Doug, and so is Doug, and
so is Mike, as well as Mike and Mike, not to mention Michael and
Michael.
I bet you've never seen us together, either, come to that....
--
Avedon
"At holiday parties, Republican political operatives boasted freely about
their success in snaring the White House. A common refrain, told in a
joking style, was: 'We stole the election fair and square.'" (Robert Parry)
Avedon Carol
>Avram Grumer <agr...@grumer.org> wrote:
>>How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
>>Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist?
>
>Wanting someone to be crushed to death for writing sub-par novels
>seems rather different from wanting lighting to strike someone who has
>systematically used the power of government to bring active harm to
>living people. But perhaps that's just a superficial difference.
I thought the fact that Niven & Pournelle are people we know
personally might also make a difference.
LAFF
kras...@mindspring.com (mike weber) wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:12:08 +0000 (UTC), lei...@pvv.ntnu.no (Leif
> Magnar Kj|nn|y) typed
>
> >In article <996778...@deltrak.demon.co.uk>,
> >Andrew Stephenson <am...@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>In article <fbaa421a.01080...@posting.google.com>
> >> Immor...@yahoo.com "Immortus45" writes:
> >>
> >>> [re: Poul Anderson]
> >>>
> >>> So how do you pronounce his name ? Is it pronounced Pole or is
> >>> it pronounced like Paul and just spelled funny ?
> >>
> >>"Powl" as in "howl" is pretty much how I learned it, too long ago
> >>for me now to recall the day I first heard of him.
> >
> >That'd be a good approximation. A true Dane would pronounce it somewhere
> >between "Paul" and "Powl", but you almost have to be trained from birth
> >to get it just right.
> >
> I got the impression it was somewhere in the vicinity of "pole" and
> "pool", bit i may be misremembering, it's been years since last i
> encounteres him personally to any extent.
The New York Times' obituary says, "pronounced
PO-ull".
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/03/obituaries/03ANDE.html
I keep trying to think which of, and how many of, his books I've read,
and the answer comes back, "Not enough."
My condolences to his family and all who knew him.
--
Lois Fundis lfu...@weir.net
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/9377/handy-dandy.html
"I wanted to be a writer-performer like the Pythons. In
fact I wanted to be John Cleese and it took me some time to
realise that the job was, in fact, taken."
-- Douglas Adams (1952-2001)
mike weber
<but...@bermuda.io.com> typed
>In rec.arts.sf.written mike weber <kras...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Is Leo McKern still with us?
>
>IMDB thinks so, and he was in a movie as recently as 1999.
>
I'm thinking of the "Prisoner" McKern more than the "Rumpole" McKern,
but no matter what, he'd be exceelent, i think.
Severn Darden (who may have Passed On) is another i think could do it.
Unknown
<ahas...@not-for-mail.org> wrote:
>In rec.arts.sf.written cha...@wil.net wrote: [snip]
>> Both De Camps, Douglas Adams and now Poul Anderson!? [snip]
>
>He was a good writer and a very good man. I am very sorry :-(
>
>[sounds of Garrett's "And none of them'd be missed" dying in the distance,
>its heroes slowly fading away...]
>
>--
>Ahasuerus
Juan, where you been man?
Come have a seat. Your life hasn't exactly been a walk in the park for
you either. You go here, and there, and everybody wants to slap you
around. What was the last thing they blamed you for? Hiroshima? Pearl
Harbor?
Can I get you anything to drink?
Stick around, tell us some of your stories. The young 'uns could use
your wisdom.
Yours Truly
Walter J.
Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr
>In article <mortlieb-ya023580...@news.vicnet.net.au>,
>Marc Ortlieb <mort...@vicnet.net.au> wrote:
>>I would have liked to have seen a better effort made on some
>>of Anderson's work. Who could play van Rijn?
>
>A couple of names come to mind, but they're all dead.
>
>I guess the image that generally came to my mind while reading
>(and re-reading, and re-re-reading) the Polesotechnic League
>stories was a shorter version of Jackie Gleason. (Not Ralph
>Kramden, of course; Gleason's acting range, I think, encompassed
>what could have been a very good van Rijn.)
I think Maury Chaykin actually has some possibilities here. (He makes by
far the best Nero Wolfe I've ever seen, and I wouldn't have thought that
from his role in _Dances with Wolves_.) Maybe Oliver Platt, although
probably not for another ten years or so.
-- Alan
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mike weber
>I keep trying to think which of, and how many of, his books I've read,
>and the answer comes back, "Not enough."
>
I re-read "Operation Chaos" about six months ago.
Howard Brazee
mike weber wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Aug 2001 20:27:37 GMT, Captain Button
> <but...@bermuda.io.com> typed
>
> >In rec.arts.sf.written mike weber <kras...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >> Is Leo McKern still with us?
> >
> >IMDB thinks so, and he was in a movie as recently as 1999.
> >
> I'm thinking of the "Prisoner" McKern more than the "Rumpole" McKern,
> but no matter what, he'd be exceelent, i think.
How about the "Help" McKern?
Douglas Berry
kras...@mindspring.com (mike weber) warmed at our fire and told
this tale:
>>It gets mixed up in some cases. But I, personally, wouldn't wish
>>the lightning strike in either instance.
>>
>A near-miss, though, accompanied by some Serious Words in a Loud And
>Carrying Voice, now...
We were discussing what one would do with telepathy.. I'd go to D.C.
and let some zealots hear the Voice of Command ringing in their
skulls.
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
Douglas Berry
ave...@cix.co.uk (Avedon Carol) warmed at our fire and told this
tale:
>I thought the fact that Niven & Pournelle are people we know
>personally might also make a difference.
While I don't know them personally, and have found Niven's last few
books to be pretty awful, I see nothing that rates him being killed.
I have seen death, I have caused death, and I find that anyone would
be so offhand about to be sickening.
Douglas Berry
>Yes, it's true, we have worked our voodoo on Kristopher and now he is
>EXACTLY LIKE ME! And so is Kip, and so is Doug, and so is Doug, and
>so is Mike, as well as Mike and Mike, not to mention Michael and
>Michael.
Not me! I want to be a rebel, just everybody else!
(Why do anarchists all use the same symbol?)
Keith F. Lynch
> Wanting someone to be crushed to death for writing sub-par novels
> seems rather different from wanting lighting to strike someone who has
> systematically used the power of government to bring active harm to
> living people. But perhaps that's just a superficial difference.
Lenny Bailes <len...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> It gets mixed up in some cases. But I, personally, wouldn't wish
> the lightning strike in either instance.
Me neither.
It would be better if Helms and Rehnquist were done in by the bad laws
and rulings they helped pass and enforce. Caught riding a broomstick
to the witchhunt, as it were.
Perhaps if they came down with conditions that required medical
marijuana. Would they stand by their principles, do without, and
suffer? Would they use it surreptitiously? Would they emmigrate
to a more enlightened country and use it openly?
--
Keith F. Lynch - k...@keithlynch.net - http://keithlynch.net/
I always welcome replies to my e-mail, postings, and web pages, but
unsolicited bulk e-mail sent to thousands of randomly collected
addresses is not acceptable, and I do complain to the spammer's ISP.
Andrew Stephenson
grid...@mindspring.com "Douglas Berry" writes:
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2001 03:28:11 +0100, a wanderer, known to us only as
> ave...@cix.co.uk (Avedon Carol) warmed at our fire and told this
> tale:
>
> >I thought the fact that Niven & Pournelle are people we know
> >personally might also make a difference.
>
> While I don't know them personally, and have found Niven's last few
> books to be pretty awful, I see nothing that rates him being killed.
>
> I have seen death, I have caused death, and I find that anyone would
> be so offhand about to be sickening.
I'm not about to give details but my experience of Larry reveals
him to be a decent bloke, who (in my case at least) does his good
deeds quietly. Weirdly, considering his robust reputation, even
Jerry has his kindly side; he just, ahem, wears louder boots than
most of us do. We are all the results of complicated recipes.
--
Andrew Stephenson
Arthur D. Hlavaty
wrote:
>It would be better if Helms and Rehnquist were done in by the bad laws
>and rulings they helped pass and enforce. Caught riding a broomstick
>to the witchhunt, as it were.
>
>Perhaps if they came down with conditions that required medical
>marijuana. Would they stand by their principles, do without, and
>suffer? Would they use it surreptitiously? Would they emmigrate
>to a more enlightened country and use it openly?
I like that one. I try to keep my own sick death fantasies to
appropriate/deserved. Like Jeremy Rifkin getting something that could
have been prevented by genetic research.
Avram Grumer
<hla...@panix.com> wrote:
Or one of Catherine McKinnon's own books being made illegal to import into
Canada because of the laws she inspired. Oh, wait....
--
Avram Grumer | av...@grumer.org | http://www.PigsAndFishes.org
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed
corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a
trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Johan Anglemark
<grid...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> (Why do anarchists all use the same symbol?)
Because they believe in an organized form of society?
-j
--
Johan Anglemark - http://anglemark.pp.se
Lejd av Upsala SF-sällskap - http://sfweb.dang.se
Avedon Carol
wrote:
>> I like that one. I try to keep my own sick death fantasies to
>> appropriate/deserved. Like Jeremy Rifkin getting something that could
>> have been prevented by genetic research.
>
>Or one of Catherine McKinnon's own books being made illegal to import into
>Canada because of the laws she inspired. Oh, wait....
That was Dworkin. Same difference, though, more or less.
Neil Belsky
> On Fri, 03 Aug 2001 20:27:37 GMT, Captain Button
> <but...@bermuda.io.com> typed
>
>>In rec.arts.sf.written mike weber <kras...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>> Is Leo McKern still with us?
> I'm thinking of the "Prisoner" McKern more than the "Rumpole" McKern,
> but no matter what, he'd be exceelent, i think.
>
> Severn Darden (who may have Passed On) is another i think could do it.
Unfortunately, he died several years ago.....
mike weber
<jshndf...@kih.net> typed
Yes!!!
Fire up the time machine, Harry! We've found our star!
((Last i heard, Mel Gibson had an option on Harry Harrison's
"Technicolor Time Machine" with himself and Woody Allen to be in
it...))
O Deus
> Avram Grumer <agr...@grumer.org> wrote:
> >How is O Deus's comment about Niven any worse than
> >Avedon's about Helms and Rehnquist?
>
> seems rather different from wanting lighting to strike someone who has
> systematically used the power of government to bring active harm to
> living people. But perhaps that's just a superficial difference.
That view of Helms or Rehnquist or more recently Bush, is a quite
personal opinion. And somehow I doubt you or the rest of the club
would be willing to excuse a similar comment made about Bill Clinton
or Madeline Albright.
Of course what's generally being overlooked in this attack fest is
that few of the people making such comments are actually proposing the
killing of these individuals. They're just suggesting that the world
or this little corner of it, would be better off without their
presence.