Joss Whedon wiil not write/direct "Wonder Woman" film
mike weber
Whedon Quits Wonder Woman Movie
Buffy The Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon has quit as writer and
director of the forthcoming Wonder Woman movie over "creative
differences."
Whedon signed up to adapt the popular comic book and 1970s TV show for
the big screen in May, but has severed ties with the project after
failing to agree to a script with the film's producers.
He writes on his website, "You (hopefully) heard it here first: I'm no
longer slated to make Wonder Woman...I had a take on the film that,
well, nobody liked. Let me stress first that everybody at the studio
and Silver Pictures were cool and professional. We just saw different
movies, and at the price range this kind of movie hangs in, that's
never gonna work. It happens all the time. I don't think any of us
expected it to this time, but it did."
{/quote}
(from IMDB.com)
I'd been fairly sure it would be a decent film with Joss attached.
Now, who knows?
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Marcus L. Rowland
<fairp...@gmail.com> writes
>{quote}
>
>Whedon Quits Wonder Woman Movie
>
>Buffy The Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon has quit as writer and
>director of the forthcoming Wonder Woman movie over "creative
>differences."
>
>Whedon signed up to adapt the popular comic book and 1970s TV show for
>the big screen in May, but has severed ties with the project after
>failing to agree to a script with the film's producers.
>
>He writes on his website, "You (hopefully) heard it here first: I'm no
>longer slated to make Wonder Woman...I had a take on the film that,
>well, nobody liked. Let me stress first that everybody at the studio
>and Silver Pictures were cool and professional. We just saw different
>movies, and at the price range this kind of movie hangs in, that's
>never gonna work. It happens all the time. I don't think any of us
>expected it to this time, but it did."
>
>{/quote}
>
>(from IMDB.com)
>
>I'd been fairly sure it would be a decent film with Joss attached.
>Now, who knows?
>
Trouble is that a LOT of people, most notably many women, seem to
disagree and/or dislike how he portrays women in his shows.
I'm feeling a little relieved, to be honest, I don't think that Whedon
was the right person for this. Gaiman maybe...
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Dan Kimmel
"Marcus L. Rowland" <forgotte...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> In message <ilpes2h95jf4oa3qm...@4ax.com>, mike weber
> <fairp...@gmail.com> writes
> >{quote}
> >
> >Whedon Quits Wonder Woman Movie
> >
> >Buffy The Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon has quit as writer and
> >director of the forthcoming Wonder Woman movie over "creative
> >differences."
> >
> >Whedon signed up to adapt the popular comic book and 1970s TV show for
> >the big screen in May, but has severed ties with the project after
> >failing to agree to a script with the film's producers.
> >
> >He writes on his website, "You (hopefully) heard it here first: I'm no
> >longer slated to make Wonder Woman...I had a take on the film that,
> >well, nobody liked. Let me stress first that everybody at the studio
> >and Silver Pictures were cool and professional. We just saw different
> >movies, and at the price range this kind of movie hangs in, that's
> >never gonna work. It happens all the time. I don't think any of us
> >expected it to this time, but it did."
> >
> >{/quote}
> >
> >(from IMDB.com)
> >
> >I'd been fairly sure it would be a decent film with Joss attached.
> >Now, who knows?
> >
>
> Trouble is that a LOT of people, most notably many women, seem to
> disagree and/or dislike how he portrays women in his shows.
>
We must go to different cons. Here in the northeast US -- and as the US
Worldcons I've attended, there was no such expression. In fact there were
so many people interested in talking about his shows -- including many, many
women -- that there were multiple panels on both "Buffy" and "Angel."
(Fewer on "Firefly'/"Serenity" for obvious reasons.) I was on some of those
panels. Complaints about how women were portrayed on the shows didn't seem
to come up, and not because the panels or the attendees were shy about their
opinions.
Quite frankly, your comment is just completely different from how I saw the
show perceived in fandom. Not saying you're mistaken. Just that we
obviously move in very different circles.
mike weber
Ditto.
Virtually all of the Buffy/Angel fansites i've come across online are
run by woemn.
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mike weber
<forgotte...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Trouble is that a LOT of people, most notably many women, seem to
>disagree and/or dislike how he portrays women in his shows.
Not in the universe i live in.
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Mark Atwood
>
> I'm feeling a little relieved, to be honest, I don't think that Whedon
> was the right person for this. Gaiman maybe...
I was hearing (and hoping) that he was going to take Wonder Woman back
to her original "type", a bi poly pagan switch who's into rope
bondage.
Given that I am good friends with a number of ladies who are bi poly
pagan switchs into rope bondage, this was something I approved of...
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David Dyer-Bennet
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:05:13 +0000, "Marcus L. Rowland"
> <forgotte...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Trouble is that a LOT of people, most notably many women, seem to
>> disagree and/or dislike how he portrays women in his shows.
>
> Not in the universe i live in.
Lydy was able to point me to a number of people, I believe women (web
posts read to me by somebody else doesn't leave me much real certainty
on the sex of the poster if you want to push on that), who disliked his
portrayals of women. All of the complaints seemed to be such that
they'd apply to *any* pop-culture portrayal of women; so while many of
them are in some sense legitimate, they're part of the cost of doing
business on television IMHO. So it's silly to blame them on Joss.
JFW Richards
> "Marcus L. Rowland" <forgottenfutu...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>
>
>
> > I'm feeling a little relieved, to be honest, I don't think that Whedon
> > was the right person for this. Gaiman maybe...
>
> I was hearing (and hoping) that he was going to take Wonder Woman back
> to her original "type", a bi poly pagan switch who's into rope
> bondage.
>
> Given that I am good friends with a number of ladies who are bi poly
> pagan switchs into rope bondage, this was something I approved of...
>
he had not read the comic or seen the TV show. Now I, for one, would
be profoundly grateful for a Wonder Woman script by someone who had
not seen the TV show I would prefer someone who had read the comic.
Preferably the Post-Crisis era. Wonder Woman was a character who was
changed vastly for the better by CoIE (the bi poly pagan being
emphasised somewhat, the rope bondage not so much) until John Byrne
got a hold on the title and tried to drag it back to the "Silver Age".
Regards
JFWR
Peter Meilinger
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:19:04 -0500, "Dan Kimmel"
> >Quite frankly, your comment is just completely different from how I saw the
> >show perceived in fandom. Not saying you're mistaken. Just that we
> >obviously move in very different circles.
>
> Ditto.
>
> Virtually all of the Buffy/Angel fansites i've come across online are
> run by woemn.
Just because they're fans of the show doesn't mean they're fans of
Whedon's portrayal of the female characters, but that said I think
I'm in the middle here. I do know more than a few female fans who
weren't crazy about the show's portrayal of women, but most of
them weren't crazy about its portrayal of men, either. All of the
characterizations were all over the place at times, when you get
right down to it, and I don't think women are more likely than men
to have a problem with that. In my experience, at least.
Most of the female fans I can think of were more fixated on the
male characters than the females, Xander and Spike being the
biggest draws in my experience, though sadly not in that order.
Didn't Joss get a lot of flak from the gay community for the way
he handled Willow? Not the entire process, but I do remember
there was a lot of complaining about certain things, or about
certain ways they were afraid the show would go. Tara's
death, for instance. Apparently it's a cliche that one partner
in a lesbian relationship gets killed? Or something like that.
Nothing that rang a bell for me, but it's not exactly something
I keep track of. So maybe that's where the "women don't
like his portrayals" thing comes from, I dunno.
Pete
mike weber
<p_mei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Didn't Joss get a lot of flak from the gay community for the way
>he handled Willow? Not the entire process, but I do remember
>there was a lot of complaining about certain things, or about
>certain ways they were afraid the show would go. Tara's
>death, for instance. Apparently it's a cliche that one partner
>in a lesbian relationship gets killed?
I don't know about that; but i remember some lesian sites i ran across
who absolutely loved Tara's song in the msuical episode.
And the implications of being able to levitate your partner while she
lies flat on her back...
mike weber
wrote:
>The problem that I had with Whedon's involvement was that he said that
>he had not read the comic or seen the TV show.
I fdind that incredibly hard to believe, given the level of knowledge
of and involvement with pop culture (particulatly comics, it seemed to
me) that he exhibited through the show.
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Mark Atwood
>
> Didn't Joss get a lot of flak from the gay community for the way
> he handled Willow?
He gets flak from me and many of the queerfolk I know for refusing to
use the the "B" word. (Oh she likes guys, oh and now she likes girls,
specifically this one. This she is a lesbian. It's the damn old "one
drop rule" applied to gender orientation identity.)
Peter Meilinger
> "Peter Meilinger" <p_meilin...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > Didn't Joss get a lot of flak from the gay community for the way
> > he handled Willow?
>
> He gets flak from me and many of the queerfolk I know for refusing to
> use the the "B" word. (Oh she likes guys, oh and now she likes girls,
> specifically this one. This she is a lesbian. It's the damn old "one
> drop rule" applied to gender orientation identity.)
See, that's interesting, because I was under the impression that
the reason he didn't use the B word was because various gay
folk didn't want her to be bi, they wanted her to be gay, dammit.
Which is not to say I expect the gay community to feel the exact
same way on this or any issue - lord knows they're just as varied
and fractious as any other group - but it definitely seems to be a
damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
I have known and known of gay people who thought that bisexual
people, especially women, were either just dabbling or fronting or
some such idiocy, and they were really either gay or straight.
Doesn't make a damned bit of sense to me, but there you go.
The woman I know who felt that way was pretty low-key about
it, and probably willing to admit to the existence of actual
bisexuals if pressed, but some of the people she talked about
seemed pretty ridiculous on the topic, to me at least.
Pete
Mark Atwood
>
> I have known and known of gay people who thought that bisexual
> people, especially women, were either just dabbling or fronting or
> some such idiocy, and they were really either gay or straight.
> Doesn't make a damned bit of sense to me, but there you go.
I agree it seems to be especially women. My experience with the gay
men in the LGBT orgs is that they have no problems with bi men. Tho I
know a man who was very old skool (he was out and organizing *before*
Stonewall) who tells me that the "make up your mind!" was pretty
ubiquious in the 1970s. But I am good friends with a bi woman who was
basically frozen out of her queer organzing group in college when she
started dating men too.
mike weber
wrote:
>"Peter Meilinger" <p_mei...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>> I have known and known of gay people who thought that bisexual
>> people, especially women, were either just dabbling or fronting or
>> some such idiocy, and they were really either gay or straight.
>> Doesn't make a damned bit of sense to me, but there you go.
>
>I agree it seems to be especially women. My experience with the gay
>men in the LGBT orgs is that they have no problems with bi men. Tho I
>know a man who was very old skool (he was out and organizing *before*
>Stonewall) who tells me that the "make up your mind!" was pretty
>ubiquious in the 1970s. But I am good friends with a bi woman who was
>basically frozen out of her queer organzing group in college when she
>started dating men too.
A few years ago when Alison Bechdel's character, Sparrow {in "Dykes to
Watch Out For"} negam dating a guy and he eventually moved into what
had been an all-female/all-gay household with Sparrow and her two
roommates, some of the other lesbian characters were a bit into
raised-eyebrow mode...