We can remember it for you...

[Philip Chee]

[[
It�s not often that scientists make people watch the first episode of 24
in the name of science. It�s even rarer that they pick Jack Bauer�s
exploits because they wanted to show volunteers something �more true to
life�. Then again, as Jason Chan dryly says, �Some of the earlier
episodes were not as far-fetched as the later ones�.

Chan�s study is the latest to show how easy it is to disrupt our
memories, and supplant what we think we know with misinformation. In
this case, he and colleague Jessica LaPaglia from Iowa State University
showed volunteers the pilot episode of 24 and then selectively rewrote
some of their memories of the show�s events. For example, some of the
volunteers came to believe that an assassin (Mandy!) knocked out a
flight attendant with a stun gun, when she actually used a hypodermic
syringe.
]]

<http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/05/20/when-memories-are-remembered-they-can-be-rewritten/>

Phil

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[Keith F. Lynch]

Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
> In this case, he and colleague Jessica LaPaglia from Iowa State
> University showed volunteers the pilot episode of 24 and then

> selectively rewrote some of their memories of the show\222s events.

> For example, some of the volunteers came to believe that an assassin
> (Mandy!) knocked out a flight attendant with a stun gun, when she
> actually used a hypodermic syringe.

This has been shown again and again for decades, if not for centuries.
Every would-be juror should be tested on it. So should every would-be
high school graduate.
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[Mark Zenier]

In article <6jcup3....@news.alt.net>,
Philip Chee <phi...@aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
>[[
>It's not often that scientists make people watch the first episode of 24
>in the name of science. It's even rarer that they pick Jack Bauer's
>exploits because they wanted to show volunteers something "more true to
>life". Then again, as Jason Chan dryly says, "Some of the earlier
>episodes were not as far-fetched as the later ones".
>
>Chan's study is the latest to show how easy it is to disrupt our

>memories, and supplant what we think we know with misinformation. In
>this case, he and colleague Jessica LaPaglia from Iowa State University
>showed volunteers the pilot episode of 24 and then selectively rewrote

>some of their memories of the show's events. For example, some of the

>volunteers came to believe that an assassin (Mandy!) knocked out a
>flight attendant with a stun gun, when she actually used a hypodermic
>syringe.
>]]
>
><http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/05/20/when-memories-are-remembered-they-can-be-rewritten/>
>

Google on searchable variants of "Dr. Elizabeth(?) Loftus" and "Shaking
Bugs Bunny's Hand at Disneyland". They can make you remember stuff that's
impossible.

Pretty well explains what right wing talk radio is all about.


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[David Friedman]

In article <knlc7...@enews1.newsguy.com>,

And left wing history?

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[Keith F. Lynch]

Mark Zenier <mze...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> Google on searchable variants of "Dr. Elizabeth(?) Loftus" and
> "Shaking Bugs Bunny's Hand at Disneyland". They can make you
> remember stuff that's impossible.

She's available as an expert witness at trials. I'd think courts
ought to automatically accept the suggestibility of witnesses as an
established fact by now, but that's not how it works. Only those
defendants who can afford her very high fees get to introduce that
information into evidence.

> Pretty well explains what right wing talk radio is all about.

Total non sequitur.

[Mark Zenier]

In article <knm9ii$5j0$4...@reader1.panix.com>,

Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>Mark Zenier <mze...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>> Google on searchable variants of "Dr. Elizabeth(?) Loftus" and
>> "Shaking Bugs Bunny's Hand at Disneyland". They can make you
>> remember stuff that's impossible.
>
>She's available as an expert witness at trials. I'd think courts
>ought to automatically accept the suggestibility of witnesses as an
>established fact by now, but that's not how it works. Only those
>defendants who can afford her very high fees get to introduce that
>information into evidence.
>
>> Pretty well explains what right wing talk radio is all about.
>
>Total non sequitur.

Nope. The technique is the same. Make the listener rememeber some
past events, (which bring it into read-write memory), implant some minor
variation shaded to the ideology of the presenter and let the listener's
memory drift in the direction that "they" want.

Best current example was the reception that soldiers and sailors got
when they returned from Vietnam. As I remember it most everbody tried to
ignore the war, or felt sorry for those who got stuck in it, not the hate
filled mob of spitting protesters that are portrayed by the right wing.

[Mark Zenier]

In article <ddfr-916356.0...@news.giganews.com>,

I'd say that right wing pseudo-history is worse because not that
many take left wing history seriously.

ObSF: John Barnes' "culture variant history" (or something like that).

[David Harmon]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 17:35:19 GMT in rec.arts.sf.fandom,
mze...@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier) wrote,

Except, of course, l-wingers. Of which there are indeed "very
many."