The Seattle thing
Mary Kay Kare
me see if I can explain this. Earlier this year there were several
factors which seemed likely to promote a move north for us
Jordin's last 4 consulting jobs were in Seattle
Jordin was spending Mon-Fri *every* weak in Seattle and had been for
some time
Jordin was talking with some people who might like to invest money in
laser propulsion and hire him full time to pursue it in Seattle
Mary Kay laid down the law that she was not going to keep dating her
husband on weekens much longer
So we contacted our real estate agent here and found one in Seattle.
Although the possible investors in item 3 weren't going to be deciding
anything soon, we decided that even if that didn't happen, Seattle was a
good place to be since it seemed to be where they are willing to pay
Jordin insane amounts of money to have fun.
In about June several things happened.
Jordin, who has lived in the Bay Area for 23 years, got cold feet
The investors liked the study Jordin did but had more questions they
wanted answered before they made a decision
(and most of the money is dotcom money)
Jordin got 1 largish and 2 small contracts he could work on at home
Jordin, therefore cut back his time in Seattle to 10 days out of every
28 instead of 20 days of every 28
He's still talking with the investors, but if it happens, it won't be
soon. Now that he's home more, that pressure is off. As a result, we're
still in the Bay Area for the forseeable future and I'm going to remodel
the kitchen. Which, of course, means I'll go through that particular
hell, get it just the way I want it, and the investors will come through.
I shall now entertain questions from the class.
MKK
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P Nielsen Hayden
Mary Kay Kare <mar...@kare.ws> wrote:
>I shall now entertain questions from the class.
Will there be puppets? We're particularly entertained by puppets.
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Going to Ditto? :)
(Better than "Can I use the Pencil Sharpener?")
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Erik V. Olson
>On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 02:18:03 GMT,
> Mary Kay Kare <mar...@kare.ws> wrote:
>
>
>>I shall now entertain questions from the class.
>
>
>Will there be puppets? We're particularly entertained by puppets.
>
Applause. Gold Star.
Mary Kay Kare
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 02:18:03 GMT,
> Mary Kay Kare <mar...@kare.ws> wrote:
>
>
> >I shall now entertain questions from the class.
>
>
> Will there be puppets? We're particularly entertained by puppets.
>
For you, Patrick, there will be puppets.
Darkhawk (H. Nicoll)
> Mary Kay Kare <mar...@kare.ws> wrote:
>
> >I shall now entertain questions from the class.
>
> Will there be puppets? We're particularly entertained by puppets.
Do Deformed Rabbit. That's my favorite.
- Darkhawk, on a rereading Pratchett binge
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Mary Kay Kare
er...@mvp.net wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 02:18:03 GMT, Mary Kay Kare <mar...@kare.ws> wrote:
> >
> >I shall now entertain questions from the class.
>
> Going to Ditto? :)
This is under discussion. I'll let you know.
Kate Schaefer
news:marykay-0809...@c797629-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com...
> In article <slrn9pm9qm...@calcium.physiciansedge.com>,
> er...@mvp.net wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 02:18:03 GMT, Mary Kay Kare <mar...@kare.ws>
wrote:
> > >
> > >I shall now entertain questions from the class.
> >
> > Going to Ditto? :)
>
> This is under discussion. I'll let you know.
You know, a really cool house with enough space in the right neighborhood
finally came on the market this week. Starting from the basement: a huge
rec room with nice fireplace. Stylish half bath. Silly kitchenello (a
recess with one of those absurd combination sink/two-burner
cooktop/refrigerator thangs, the kind that makes me hope there's a really
good plumber/electrician somewhere in the picture). Big workshop, sharing
space with the boiler for the heating system. Another big utility space
for the washer and dryer. Two doors outside.
First floor: sumptuous living room with parlor (parlor almost as big as my
living room). Fireplace in parlor. Huge dining room with box-beam
ceiling, another fireplace. Sizeable kitchen with stove set into chimney
where another fireplace used to be. Three sinks in kitchen. Storage out
the wazoo.
Second floor: entire front of house made into master bedroom (my guess is
this used to be two bedrooms with closets between. Views of Lake Union.
Fireplace. Huge bathroom. Attached dressing room (this certainly used to
be a bedroom). Another bedroom, smallish. More storage.
Third floor: three decent-sized bedrooms, one in octagonal tower,
bathroom, closets. Views.
Outside: no grass, but lots and lots and lots of intensive garden.
Greenhouse. Decks and porches, lost count of how many. Hot tub.
Four-car garage.
1.25 million. It was the nicest open house I've ever gone to, especially
considering that the realtor didn't expect anyone attending to be able to
afford the house. Shrimp, brie, potstickers, wine, fizzy water. I think
it was held just to let the neighbors know what that huge house is like;
we'll not get another chance for years to come.
The most humorous thing about the lot -- and there were many humorous
things -- was that the garage extends into the space which should, by
normal platting, have belonged to the house next door. Clearly this
mansion was the first thing built on the block, and just as clearly the
first owners owned at least the whole block, so they could divide it up
any way they wanted.
If things change quickly, you have that realtor's number, and the way the
Seattle economy's going, they aren't likely to get that asking price any
time real soon. It's a fun tour.
Avram Grumer
dark...@mailandnews.com (Darkhawk (H. Nicoll)) wrote:
>Do Deformed Rabbit. That's my favorite.
Have you see Michel Gagne's _Insanely Twisted Rabbits_? Amazon has
pictures:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0966640446/pic
tures/
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Pbclevtug Npg.
Rob Hansen
wrote:
>As a result, we're
>still in the Bay Area for the forseeable future and I'm going to remodel
>the kitchen. Which, of course, means I'll go through that particular
>hell, get it just the way I want it,
Over the past few months we've had an insane amount of work done on
the house, most of it external and very necessary (repointing, extra
support timbers in the roof, external front bay window cast, roof of
upper front bay replaced, new guttering, complete new lead flashing on
the roof, 'live' end gable made safe, ties put in rear wall to prevent
a possible collapse, etc, etc). On top of this I have been doing work
myself. Indeed, this very day I spent about four-and-a-half hours
mixing and laying a new concrete floor in the shed I'm refurbishing
(I'm now as stiff as a board - I keep forgetting just how much hard
bloody work laying concrete is) to go with the washroom I built and
patio I laid last year. On the principle you mention in your last
line, this could mean that after doing all this we're about to win the
lottery and so move somewhere else. Not that I'd complain about this,
mind you.
--
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=============================================
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Anna Feruglio Dal Dan
> Over the past few months we've had an insane amount of work done on
> the house, most of it external and very necessary (repointing,
I know, I know, you're not supposed to change the subject... :-)
I should paint the exterior of my house - I should have had it done this
spring, but I got stuck on the guy who should do the job's assurance
that it is impossible to get a decent external paint in the shade I
want. I'm not particularly picky, a rich dark red, any rich dark red,
would be ok for me, what's known around here as "Venetian Red", on the
grounds that a fair proportion of Venetian houses are painted that
shade, but it seems I can only get pink or brown, for, he says,
technical reasons. Apparently, red pigments fade inevitably with time.
If it is so, I'll take fading paint of a shade I like over permanent
depressing brown any day, but I suspect it's not true.
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Kate Schaefer
news:1ezio5v.5cngep16rmr53N%ada...@nit.it.invalid...
> Rob Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Over the past few months we've had an insane amount of work done on
> > the house, most of it external and very necessary (repointing,
>
> I know, I know, you're not supposed to change the subject... :-)
>
> I should paint the exterior of my house - I should have had it done this
> spring, but I got stuck on the guy who should do the job's assurance
> that it is impossible to get a decent external paint in the shade I
> want. I'm not particularly picky, a rich dark red, any rich dark red,
> would be ok for me, what's known around here as "Venetian Red", on the
> grounds that a fair proportion of Venetian houses are painted that
> shade, but it seems I can only get pink or brown, for, he says,
> technical reasons. Apparently, red pigments fade inevitably with time.
>
> If it is so, I'll take fading paint of a shade I like over permanent
> depressing brown any day, but I suspect it's not true.
It may be true for current technology. I don't know a lot about exterior
paints, but I do know that many of the brilliant colors of the past were
produced using truly lethal combinations -- bad for the people living in
the house, and very, very bad for the people painting the house. The same
is true, to some extent, of the brilliant colors used in textile dyeing in
the past. Toxic metals you might find in old vivid house paints: arsenic,
lead, and cadmium.
I'd make the same choice you're going for: a bright color that you'll have
to redo later if you want it to stay bright.
Alison Hopkins
Kate Schaefer wrote in message <9niqfb$5gc$0...@216.39.145.104>...
According to my ex-printer father, blue is the worst colour for fade, no
matter how you do it.
Ali
Mike Kozlowski
Alison Hopkins <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>According to my ex-printer father, blue is the worst colour for fade, no
>matter how you do it.
Based on boxes at video stores, I'd say that yellow fades the most. Or
else old eighties movies just had boxes printed only in cyan and magenta
(which, considering the eighties, isn't all that implausible).
--
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http://www.klio.org/mlk/
Anna Feruglio Dal Dan
> So, even if you can't buy good old fashioned barn paint
> anymore, it should be possible to MAKE some.
Yes, the classic barn color is exactly what I'm looking for. I forgot
(because it's very strange to me to imagine houses made of wood!) to
mention that I have to apply it on bricks+plaster.
Kate Schaefer
> Paul Ciszek <pci...@antiabuseworld.std.com> wrote:
>
> > So, even if you can't buy good old fashioned barn paint
> > anymore, it should be possible to MAKE some.
>
> Yes, the classic barn color is exactly what I'm looking for. I forgot
> (because it's very strange to me to imagine houses made of wood!) to
> mention that I have to apply it on bricks+plaster.
What Paul said. You get slightly better endurance with milk paints if you
mix in a small amount of plaster, not so much that it changes the texture
of the paint significantly.
The paint in our basement is milk-based, with some plaster in it at the
recommendation of the paint professionals. It's holding up just fine, but
it's an interior application.
Laura Burchard
Anna Feruglio Dal Dan <ada...@nit.it.invalid> wrote:
>Paul Ciszek <pci...@antiabuseworld.std.com> wrote:
>> So, even if you can't buy good old fashioned barn paint
>> anymore, it should be possible to MAKE some.
>Yes, the classic barn color is exactly what I'm looking for. I forgot
>(because it's very strange to me to imagine houses made of wood!) to
>mention that I have to apply it on bricks+plaster.
I found this 1835 recipe while googling:
skimmed milk 4 lbs. or half gallon
lime 6 oz.
linseed oil or neatsfoot (cow's hoof glue) 4 oz.
color 1 1/2 lbs
For outside painting, add 2 ounces of slacked lime, oil and turpentine.
Laura
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Ulrika O'Brien
> I know, I know, you're not supposed to change the subject... :-)
No, no, change the submect all you want, just don't change the
subject *line*! :)
> I should paint the exterior of my house - I should have had it done this
> spring, but I got stuck on the guy who should do the job's assurance
> that it is impossible to get a decent external paint in the shade I
> want. I'm not particularly picky, a rich dark red, any rich dark red,
> would be ok for me, what's known around here as "Venetian Red", on the
> grounds that a fair proportion of Venetian houses are painted that
> shade, but it seems I can only get pink or brown, for, he says,
> technical reasons. Apparently, red pigments fade inevitably with time.
>
> If it is so, I'll take fading paint of a shade I like over permanent
> depressing brown any day, but I suspect it's not true.
He may well be right that red shades will fade with time, but that
is why you repaint the house. Ain't no big thing. Every other
darned house in Sweden is painted red, one that I might well describe
as a deep, rich red. The color is called "Falu" red for the name of
the town and the copper mine whose ore the color is a byproduct of.
(Silly me, I would have thought that red would come from iron, but
maybe the iron is the byproduct...) It became the single most common
paint in Sweden because it was cheapest; maybe it still is. In the
U.S. I suspect the color would be called barn red for having been quite
commonly used to paint barns, presumably also because it was cheap.
You can see an approximation of the color if you go to
I think it may be less blue than Venetian red, but since you say you
want any rich dark red, it might do.
The folks at that link also sell the paint, if it comes to that, though
I didn't actually check if they could cope with a foreign order. But
Sweden is practically awash in falu red, so you'd think you could find
some way to get some. If there isn't a closer source for the red you
want, anyhow.
Anyway, the trick as I understand it with using the falu red house
paint is that you need to put on a full three coats the first time
you use it, base coat, main coat, and "sacrifice" coat. After that,
when you repaint you just paint on a new sacrifice coat every few
years. One of the Swedish rituals of summer is repainting the house.
Italy gets substantially more sun days over a year than Sweden, I
think, so you might have to repaint more often.
[sincerely] Hope this helps,
Ulrika
David G. Bell
ka...@oz.net "Kate Schaefer" wrote:
I remember a piece in a model railway magazine, sometime in '62 or '63,
by somebody who had worked with painters in the 1930s. The paints used
were based on white lead, with the pigment added by the painter. So
colours weren't quite consistent, even when the paint was new, and the
pigments faded quite quickly. The chocolate and cream combination used
by the Great Western Railway to fade to pink and dirty white.
On the other hand, Massey Ferguson don't seem to have a problem with red
pigments. And what about Ferrari?
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Andrew Stephenson
pci...@antiabuseworld.std.com "Paul Ciszek" writes:
> However, one of the old reliable common red pigments is NOT
> particularly toxic: Iron Oxide. [...]
Trivia time: iron oxide is often added to polypropylene ropes to
give protection against UV. Hence the pink colour.
--
Andrew Stephenson
David Dyer-Bennet
Fascinating. I've never seen a pink polypropylene rope. The cheapest
generic ones always seem to be yellow, then they get decorator colors
(although black is popular).
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Loren Joseph MacGregor
>I know, I know, you're not supposed to change the subject... :-)
>I should paint the exterior of my house - I should have had it done this
>spring, but I got stuck on the guy who should do the job's assurance
>that it is impossible to get a decent external paint in the shade I
>want. I'm not particularly picky, a rich dark red, any rich dark red,
>would be ok for me, what's known around here as "Venetian Red", on the
>grounds that a fair proportion of Venetian houses are painted that
>shade, but it seems I can only get pink or brown, for, he says,
>technical reasons. Apparently, red pigments fade inevitably with time.
>If it is so, I'll take fading paint of a shade I like over permanent
>depressing brown any day, but I suspect it's not true.
Well, the people who own this house timebound and got the house
painted last week, only five years after they said it would be done
within a week or two. Instead of fading, the house deepened from
what Lauryn termed "Malevolent Mauve" to a darker color which is
-supposed- to be "cranberry."
It's certainly not brown, but....
-- LJM
mike weber
Feruglio Dal Dan) typed
>
>technical reasons. Apparently, red pigments fade inevitably with time.
>
This is interesting; the most common colour that railroads in this
country, who have a strong interest in not needing to re-paint too
often, paint boxcars and maintenance-of-way equipment is red.
There is another reason for this -- red paint was usually less
expensive in large lots because red (in some variant) is about the
easiest earth pigment to produce locally in most parts of the country
(according to "Model Railroader"'s "Paint SHop" column a few years
back)
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Randolph Fritz
Anna Feruglio Dal Dan wrote:
> Rob Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Over the past few months we've had an insane amount of work done on
>> the house, most of it external and very necessary (repointing,
>
> I know, I know, you're not supposed to change the subject... :-)
>
> I should paint the exterior of my house - I should have had it done this
> spring, but I got stuck on the guy who should do the job's assurance
> that it is impossible to get a decent external paint in the shade I
> want. I'm not particularly picky, a rich dark red, any rich dark red,
> would be ok for me, what's known around here as "Venetian Red", on the
> grounds that a fair proportion of Venetian houses are painted that
> shade, but it seems I can only get pink or brown, for, he says,
> technical reasons. Apparently, red pigments fade inevitably with time.
>
Hunh? But....Venetian red, which my quick check of references notes as
a red-brown, is based on ferric oxide, Fe2O3, and is, so far as I
know, incredibly lightfast. Golden Paint's web site agrees,
<http://www.goldenpaints.com/redoxide.htm>. There may be some problem
I'm not aware of, but as far as I know that color is widely available
as an exterior paint.
Umm...yes....Benjamin Moore makes a whole line of iron oxide pigments;
you can see (computer-unreliable-color) swatches at
<http://www.benjaminmoore.com/color_preview/color_families/index.html#>
Hunh?
Randolph
Anna Feruglio Dal Dan
> One of the Swedish rituals of summer is repainting the house.
> Italy gets substantially more sun days over a year than Sweden, I
> think, so you might have to repaint more often.
Ooops. I would need scaffolding to do that... I think I'll just let it
go pink. :-)
Anna Feruglio Dal Dan
> Hunh? But....Venetian red, which my quick check of references notes as
> a red-brown, is based on ferric oxide, Fe2O3, and is, so far as I
> know, incredibly lightfast. Golden Paint's web site agrees,
> <http://www.goldenpaints.com/redoxide.htm>. There may be some problem
> I'm not aware of, but as far as I know that color is widely available
> as an exterior paint.
It seems I must find another painter.
It could be, you know, that there are particular problems if you have to
apply paint to plaster instead of wood: but lightfast is lightfast,
hell.
Bernard Peek
<rand...@panix.com> writes
>Hunh? But....Venetian red, which my quick check of references notes as
>a red-brown, is based on ferric oxide, Fe2O3, and is, so far as I
>know, incredibly lightfast.
Some mineral pigments are almost completely light fast. Bleaching is
really a problem with complex organic dyes that are used in most modern
inks.
If you look at very old illuminated manuscripts you can see what type of
pigments were used. The ones that used lapis lazuli as the blue pigment
have retained the blue colour, those that used plant dyes have faded.
--
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Andrew Stephenson
> am...@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) writes:
>
> > In article <GJGMD...@world.std.com>
> > pci...@antiabuseworld.std.com "Paul Ciszek" writes:
> >
> > > However, one of the old reliable common red pigments is NOT
> > > particularly toxic: Iron Oxide. [...]
> >
> > Trivia time: iron oxide is often added to polypropylene ropes to
> > give protection against UV. Hence the pink colour.
>
> Fascinating. I've never seen a pink polypropylene rope. The cheapest
> generic ones always seem to be yellow, then they get decorator colors
> (although black is popular).
Time to confess: it's a while since I had to buy any, so maybe
fashions have changed. But my understanding is that this is so.
Could be they now add dyes to mask the pink/reddish colour.
--
Andrew Stephenson