>^..^< Returning to RASFF, part 1
Harry Mary Andruschak
few weeks? Earlier this month (I am unable to remember the exact date)
we had VERY high winds in the LA area. As I was driving to my evening
AA meeting, driving north on Vermont Avenue and about to turn left
onto Torrance Street, a blinding white flash lit up my car. I wondered
if it was a lightning strike nearby, but there was another white
flash, and all the traffic signals and street lamps went out. Some
sort of transformer failure or power line down.
When I got back home, the power was still off. I unplugged the
computer system from the wall outlet to avoid any kind of surge when
the power returned. Of course I had a surge protector, but I wondered
if it had been able to handle this sort of event. How many Catholics
does it take to change a lightbulb? None, we prefer candles. Out came
the Advent candles, genuine Bayberry wax candles. Power was not
restored until the next day, in the afternoon. At that time, I was
able to see if my computer had come through OK. Nope.
With the help of my Brother, Michael Paul Andruschak (and the real
brains in the Andruschak family), I was able to order a bottom-of-the
line tower system from Dell. The only upgrade of any kind was to a 23
inch (diagonal) LED screen. It arrived today, and brother put it all
together. I had to wait a few weeks before ordering the system to make
sure my cash flow could handle the charges to my credit card.
More tomorrow
T Guy
> Late Monday Evening, 23 November 2009. So where have I been the last
> few weeks? Earlier this month (I am unable to remember the exact date)
> we had VERY high winds in the LA area. As I was driving to my evening
> AA meeting, driving north on Vermont Avenue and about to turn left
> onto Torrance Street, a blinding white flash lit up my car. I wondered
> if it was a lightning strike nearby, but there was another white
> flash, and all the traffic signals and street lamps went out. Some
> sort of transformer failure or power line down.
(T Guy):
I was expecting a UFO appearance.
(Harry):
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> When I got back home, the power was still off. ... I had to wait a few weeks before ordering the system to make
> sure my cash flow could handle the charges to my credit card.
(T Guy):
Glad to have you back.
(HMA):
> More tomorrow
(T Guy):
I look forward to it.
T Guy
T Guy
How many Catholics does it take to change a lightbulb? None, we prefer
candles.
( T Guy):
Let us run the alogorithim[1] for all religions.
How many Libertarians does it take to change a lightbulb?
If the lightbulb wants to change, it can do it itself.
T Guy
[1] As stated in a previous thread, I'm not a mathemetician. This
extends to spelling things from the world of maths.
Kip Williams
[zap!]
...
> With the help of my Brother, Michael Paul Andruschak (and the real
> brains in the Andruschak family), I was able to order a bottom-of-the
> line tower system from Dell. The only upgrade of any kind was to a 23
> inch (diagonal) LED screen. It arrived today, and brother put it all
> together. I had to wait a few weeks before ordering the system to make
> sure my cash flow could handle the charges to my credit card.
Welcome back. Charges took you away, charges brought you back.
Kip W
David V. Loewe, Jr
Welcome back, Harry. I wondered where you had gone and feared that I
would be blamed for your departure. It is good to find out that you are
alright.
Sorry to hear about your computer and the unexpected expense.
--
"Choose your friends wisely."
Dr. Jerry Pournelle
David Goldfarb
T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>(Harry Mary Andruschak <adoptsoldc...@aol.com>):
>
>How many Catholics does it take to change a lightbulb? None, we prefer
>candles.
>
>( T Guy):
>
>Let us run the alogorithim[1] for all religions.
>
>How many Libertarians does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
>If the lightbulb wants to change, it can do it itself.
Oddly enough, the answer for Marxists is very similar:
How many Marxists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
None: the bulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.
>[1] As stated in a previous thread, I'm not a mathemetician. This
>extends to spelling things from the world of maths.
"Algorithm" and "mathematician". HTH.
--
David Goldfarb | "When the cat calls at midnight, your shorts
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | will ignite."
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- J. Michael Straczynski
Colette Reap
>In article <615b9f75-46ea-438a...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>>(Harry Mary Andruschak <adoptsoldc...@aol.com>):
>>
>>How many Catholics does it take to change a lightbulb? None, we prefer
>>candles.
>>
>>( T Guy):
>>
>>Let us run the alogorithim[1] for all religions.
>>
>>How many Libertarians does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>
>>If the lightbulb wants to change, it can do it itself.
>
>Oddly enough, the answer for Marxists is very similar:
>
Not that odd, when you consider that Libertarianism is just Marxism
with the serial numbers filed off.
Dorothy J Heydt
T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
>
>How many Catholics does it take to change a lightbulb? None, we prefer
>candles.
>
>( T Guy):
>
>Let us run the alogorithim[1] for all religions.
>
>How many Libertarians does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
>If the lightbulb wants to change, it can do it itself.
How many Marxists does it take to screw in a proletarian lightbulb?
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None. A proletarian lightbulb contains the seeds of its own
revolution.
(I learned that in Alan Dundes's class long ago. The best thing
is to tell it to a Marxist, who will realize what you're getting
at about the time you get to "seeds," and make the most
INN-teresting faces.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
Keith F. Lynch
> Not that odd, when you consider that Libertarianism is just Marxism
> with the serial numbers filed off.
Must. Not. Bite. Shiny. Hook.
--
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
Keith F. Lynch
> Let us run the alogorithim[1] for all religions. ...
> [1] As stated in a previous thread, I'm not a mathemetician.
> This extends to spelling things from the world of maths.
It would probably have been faster to look up the correct spelling
than to apologize for not doing so.
David Friedman
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article
> <615b9f75-46ea-438a...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
> >(Harry Mary Andruschak <adoptsoldc...@aol.com>):
> >
> >How many Catholics does it take to change a lightbulb? None, we prefer
> >candles.
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> >( T Guy):
> >
> >Let us run the alogorithim[1] for all religions.
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> >How many Libertarians does it take to change a lightbulb?
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> None. A proletarian lightbulb contains the seeds of its own
> revolution.
How many Californians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of
_Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_,
Cambridge University Press.
David Friedman
Colette Reap <col...@lspace.org> wrote:
> gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><615b9f75-46ea-438a...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
> >>(Harry Mary Andruschak <adoptsoldc...@aol.com>):
> >>
> >>How many Catholics does it take to change a lightbulb? None, we prefer
> >>candles.
> >>
> >>( T Guy):
> >>
> >>Let us run the alogorithim[1] for all religions.
> >>
> >>How many Libertarians does it take to change a lightbulb?
> >>
> >>If the lightbulb wants to change, it can do it itself.
I associate versions of that one with psychiatrists--but more with the
tone of "but it has to really want to change." The answer for
libertarians is "the market will take care of it."
> >Oddly enough, the answer for Marxists is very similar:
> Not that odd, when you consider that Libertarianism is just Marxism
> with the serial numbers filed off.
An odd claim--I don't suppose you would like to support it?
Kip Williams
> How many Californians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Californians screw in hot tubs.
Kip W
T Guy
> Oddly enough, the answer for Marxists is very similar:
>
> How many Marxists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>
> None: the bulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.
(T Guy):
Excellent!
(David G.):
> >[1] As stated in a previous thread, I'm not a mathemetician. This
> >extends to spelling things from the world of maths.
>
> "Algorithm" and "mathematician". HTH.
(T Guy):
Aaaarrrrgh!
I knew something was up with Al Gore's rhythm, but mathematician was a
mere typo.
T Guy
Paul Dormer
(Kip Williams) wrote:
And, of course, how many English pedants does it take to screw in a
lightbulb? Well, in England we have bayonet fittings.
Colette Reap
>In article <qorog5h565auqb6df...@4ax.com>,
> Colette Reap <col...@lspace.org> wrote:
>
>> Not that odd, when you consider that Libertarianism is just Marxism
>> with the serial numbers filed off.
>
>An odd claim--I don't suppose you would like to support it?
The comment was made somewhat toungue in cheek, but the Communist
Manifesto does predict a gradual elimination of the need for a state,
and looking through the aims of the bewildering array of libertarian
groups (they seem to have more splitters than the Judean People's
Front!), that seems to be one of the main aims of most of the shades
of libertarianism too, so same goal, just different routes to get
there.
David Friedman
Colette Reap <col...@lspace.org> wrote:
> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <qorog5h565auqb6df...@4ax.com>,
> > Colette Reap <col...@lspace.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Not that odd, when you consider that Libertarianism is just Marxism
> >> with the serial numbers filed off.
> >
> >An odd claim--I don't suppose you would like to support it?
>
> The comment was made somewhat toungue in cheek, but the Communist
> Manifesto does predict a gradual elimination of the need for a state,
> and looking through the aims of the bewildering array of libertarian
> groups (they seem to have more splitters than the Judean People's
> Front!), that seems to be one of the main aims of most of the shades
> of libertarianism too, so same goal, just different routes to get
> there.
Libertarians who want to carry matters all the way to anarchy are very
much a minority within the movement, and always have been. Most would be
pretty happy if they could merely cut the scale of government
expenditure down to what it was in England when Marx was writing.
Perhaps more important, the libertarian version of anarchy, like the
less extreme forms of libertarian society, is organized by private
property, exchange, the standard market institutions. That's very
different from the Marxist view of what a society without a state would
be like. So it not only isn't the same goal, it is in some sense the
opposite goal, even if the two have one feature in common.
It's rather like saying that Islam and Christianity are just Judaism
with the serial numbers filed off--save that that version actually has
some, if limited, basis. Closer, perhaps, that modern medicine is just
faith healing with the serial numbers filed off--since both aim at the
same goal, namely health.
Keith F. Lynch
> The comment was made somewhat toungue in cheek, but the Communist
> Manifesto does predict a gradual elimination of the need for a
> state, and looking through the aims of the bewildering array of
> libertarian groups (they seem to have more splitters than the Judean
> People's Front!), that seems to be one of the main aims of most
> of the shades of libertarianism too, so same goal, just different
> routes to get there.
Not all libertarians want to eliminate government, and probably not
all Marxists do either, though Marx himself apparently did.
Government is so self-evidently a bad thing that people who disagree
on everything else may agree that we'd be better off without it.
Anarchism, like atheism, is a negative. You shouldn't expect all
anarchists to have any more in common than all atheists do. Or than
everyone who want to abolish cancer does.
Libertarians favor individual rights and individualism, and consider
the purpose of government (if it exists at all) to suport the rights
of individuals. Marxists are just the opposite. To them, it's the
government or the collective that has rights, and individuals exist
only to serve the government.
Tim McDaniel
I quite like these in <http://www.birdmom.net/copyediting.html>:
Q. How many COPY EDITORS does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A. I can't tell whether you mean 'change a lightbulb' or 'have sex in
a lightbulb.' Can we reword it to remove the ambiguity?
...
Q. How many ART DIRECTORS does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A. Does it HAVE to be a lightbulb?
Q. How many COPY EDITORS does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A. The last time this question was asked, it involved art directors.
Is the difference intentional? Seems inconsistent.
Dorothy J Heydt
How many Creative Anachronists does it take to screw in a
lightbulb? What's a lightbulb? We use candles!
(And innumerable variations for different Peerages and Kingdoms.)
Dan Goodman
None. The Invisible Hand will take care of it.
How many Marxists does it take to change a lightbulb?
None. The lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.
--
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Dorothy J Heydt
Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>How many libertarians does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
>None. The Invisible Hand will take care of it.
>
>How many Marxists does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
>None. The lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.
The way I heard it (in Alan Dundes's class), the word "proletarian"
preceded the word "lightbulb."
That one's fun to tell to a real Marxist, because they know the
phrase and their eyes will widen and they'll start to groan even
before you finish, along about the time you reach the word "seeds".
Seth
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <4b1773c1$0$47482$8046...@auth.newsreader.iphouse.com>,
>Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>How many libertarians does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>
>>None. The Invisible Hand will take care of it.
>>
>>How many Marxists does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>
>>None. The lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.
>
>The way I heard it (in Alan Dundes's class), the word "proletarian"
>preceded the word "lightbulb."
It's due to Spider Robinson, and does include "proletarian" and uses
"screw in" because "changing" doesn't involve revolving for a
bayonet-mount bulb.
Seth