Fifty years on

[Dan Goodman]

What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?

--
Dan Goodman

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

On 6/24/12 2:55 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>

Older.

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[Jacey Bedford]

In message <4fe7628a$0$66935$8046...@auth.newsreader.iphouse.com>, Dan
Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes

>What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>

I hope there will be a very old lady called Jacey Bedford, who still has
all her faculties and a sense of humour, living in it.

Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford

[David Friedman]

In article <4fe7628a$0$66935$8046...@auth.newsreader.iphouse.com>,

Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?

I don't know. For some possibilities, mostly a little sooner than that,
see:

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Future_Imperfect.html

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[Joy Beeson]

On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com>
wrote:

> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?

Less different from now than now is from 1962.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <a5pfu7p67m54ddf49...@4ax.com>,

Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com>
>wrote:
>
>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>
>Less different from now than now is from 1962.

The only thing that comes to my mind is that the works both of
Walt Disney and of J. R. R. Tolkien will be out of copyright.

(Unless the Mouse has more lawyers in his pockets than I think he
has.)

I'm not sure what will happen then, because I don't know what the
available textual and audio-visual media will be like. There
will probably be a lot of let's-still-call-it-fanfic loosely
based on both bodies of work, most of it awful, but then
Sturgeon's Law can start to take over and let the good stuff rise
to the top and the drek sink to the bottom. In 2100, now....

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

On 6/25/12 12:42 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <a5pfu7p67m54ddf49...@4ax.com>,
> Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>>
>> Less different from now than now is from 1962.
>
> The only thing that comes to my mind is that the works both of
> Walt Disney and of J. R. R. Tolkien will be out of copyright.
>
> (Unless the Mouse has more lawyers in his pockets than I think he
> has.)

The Mouse has more lawyers in his pocket than are found in the dreams
of avarice, or something to that effect.

The only thing that will put them out of copyright is if a MAJOR
revision of copyright law is done that favors society and the individual
over the corporations. I'd LIKE to see that, but I would like to stay
conscious so I'm not holding my breath.

[John W Kennedy]

On 2012-06-25 04:42:33 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt said:

> In article <a5pfu7p67m54ddf49...@4ax.com>,
> Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>>
>> Less different from now than now is from 1962.
>
> The only thing that comes to my mind is that the works both of
> Walt Disney and of J. R. R. Tolkien will be out of copyright.
>
> (Unless the Mouse has more lawyers in his pockets than I think he
> has.)
>
> I'm not sure what will happen then, because I don't know what the
> available textual and audio-visual media will be like. There
> will probably be a lot of let's-still-call-it-fanfic loosely
> based on both bodies of work, most of it awful, but then
> Sturgeon's Law can start to take over and let the good stuff rise
> to the top and the drek sink to the bottom. In 2100, now....

It was Tolkien's intent, at least at one date, that other artists
should be able to play in his sandbox. The Silmarillion positively begs
for it; in a perfect world, the Tolkien estate would hire Joe
Straczynski to make a TV series of it right now.

--
John W Kennedy
"The pathetic hope that the White House will turn a Caligula into a
Marcus Aurelius is as naïve as the fear that ultimate power inevitably
corrupts."
-- James D. Barber (1930-2004)

[John W Kennedy]

On 2012-06-25 13:38:12 +0000, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) said:

> On 6/25/12 12:42 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <a5pfu7p67m54ddf49...@4ax.com>,
>> Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>>>
>>> Less different from now than now is from 1962.
>>
>> The only thing that comes to my mind is that the works both of
>> Walt Disney and of J. R. R. Tolkien will be out of copyright.
>>
>> (Unless the Mouse has more lawyers in his pockets than I think he
>> has.)
>
> The Mouse has more lawyers in his pocket than are found in the dreams
> of avarice, or something to that effect.

It is not lawyers, per se, but legislators that are required.

> The only thing that will put them out of copyright is if a MAJOR
> revision of copyright law is done that favors society and the
> individual over the corporations. I'd LIKE to see that, but I would
> like to stay conscious so I'm not holding my breath.

That's not so. It is further extension of copyright that requires
revision of the standing law. No revision, no extension.

--
John W Kennedy
"The grand art mastered the thudding hammer of Thor
And the heart of our lord Taliessin determined the war."
-- Charles Williams. "Mount Badon"

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <4fe88916$0$1250$607e...@cv.net>,

John W Kennedy <jwk...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>On 2012-06-25 04:42:33 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt said:
>
>> In article <a5pfu7p67m54ddf49...@4ax.com>,
>> Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>>>
>>> Less different from now than now is from 1962.
>>
>> The only thing that comes to my mind is that the works both of
>> Walt Disney and of J. R. R. Tolkien will be out of copyright.
>>
>> (Unless the Mouse has more lawyers in his pockets than I think he
>> has.)
>>
>> I'm not sure what will happen then, because I don't know what the
>> available textual and audio-visual media will be like. There
>> will probably be a lot of let's-still-call-it-fanfic loosely
>> based on both bodies of work, most of it awful, but then
>> Sturgeon's Law can start to take over and let the good stuff rise
>> to the top and the drek sink to the bottom. In 2100, now....
>
>It was Tolkien's intent, at least at one date, that other artists
>should be able to play in his sandbox. The Silmarillion positively begs
>for it; in a perfect world, the Tolkien estate would hire Joe
>Straczynski to make a TV series of it right now.

Actually, in my opinion the Silmarillion would make a great
operatic cycle. It would need, not only the permission of the
Tolkien Estate, but a composer who was at least as good a
composer as Wagner, and a much better man.

[John W Kennedy]

It would be interesting, and better suited to the genre than "The Lord
of the Rings". But it would be terribly episodic. (It would also be
terribly expensive, and would have to face the general impression that
Wagner owns that sort of thing outright.)

--
John W Kennedy
"'Your art then,' said Vertue, 'seems to teach men that the best way of
being happy is to enjoy unbroken good fortune in every respect. They
would not all find the advice helpful.'"
-- C. S. Lewis. "The Pilgrim's Regress"

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <4fe8c913$0$6068$607e...@cv.net>,

He's been dead since 1883. I think *his* copyrights have expired
too. (Though his descendants, still running Bayreyth, would like
us to think otherwise.)

[Brenda Clough]

On 6/24/2012 2:55 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>

I wrote a book about it. REVISE THE WORLD is set just around then.

Brenda


--
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[Dan Goodman]

On 06/24/2012 07:33 PM, David Friedman wrote:
> In article<4fe7628a$0$66935$8046...@auth.newsreader.iphouse.com>,
> Dan Goodman<dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>
> I don't know. For some possibilities, mostly a little sooner than that,
> see:
>
> http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Future_Imperfect.html
>

I'll make two safe predictions:

Some things which everyone is certain will happen won't happen.

Some things too ridiculous for anyone to seriously predict, will happen.
Example: Marshmallow flavored vodka.

--
Dan Goodman

[Dan Goodman]

On 06/24/2012 11:11 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman<dsg...@iphouse.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>
> Less different from now than now is from 1962.
>

Why?

--
Dan Goodman

[Dan Goodman]

On 06/24/2012 11:42 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article<a5pfu7p67m54ddf49...@4ax.com>,
> Joy Beeson<jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman<dsg...@iphouse.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>>
>> Less different from now than now is from 1962.
>
> The only thing that comes to my mind is that the works both of
> Walt Disney and of J. R. R. Tolkien will be out of copyright.
>
> (Unless the Mouse has more lawyers in his pockets than I think he
> has.)
>
> I'm not sure what will happen then, because I don't know what the
> available textual and audio-visual media will be like. There
> will probably be a lot of let's-still-call-it-fanfic loosely
> based on both bodies of work, most of it awful, but then
> Sturgeon's Law can start to take over and let the good stuff rise
> to the top and the drek sink to the bottom. In 2100, now....
>

Mindcasting would bring some interesting twists.

--
Dan Goodman

[Dan Goodman]

On 06/25/2012 05:41 PM, Brenda Clough wrote:
> On 6/24/2012 2:55 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>>
> I wrote a book about it. REVISE THE WORLD is set just around then.
>

Checking, I see it was published in 2009. I take it nothing has
happened since then to derail your fictional future?


--
Dan Goodman

[David Friedman]

In article <4fe8eb1c$0$78462$8046...@auth.newsreader.iphouse.com>,

MMORGs are a more likely alternative, within that time frame.

[Brenda Clough]

Well, remember that it is fiction. I wanted it far enough ahead so as
to get in all the stuff I needed to get in (alien contact, FTL, time
travel, etc.) but not so far along that projection would be tiresome.
In its usual way, NASA has disappointed me by trucking along much more
slowly; to a greater or lesser degree all space exploration novels are
becoming fantasy.

[John W Kennedy]

I'm not talking about legalities; I'm talking about the mindset that
makes people describe "Babylon 5" as "one of those 'Star Trek' shows".

--
John W Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"

[Dan Goodman]

On 06/25/2012 08:39 PM, Brenda Clough wrote:
> On 6/25/2012 8:10 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
>> On 06/25/2012 05:41 PM, Brenda Clough wrote:
>>> On 6/24/2012 2:55 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
>>>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>>>>
>>> I wrote a book about it. REVISE THE WORLD is set just around then.
>>>
>> Checking, I see it was published in 2009. I take it nothing has happened
>> since then to derail your fictional future?
>
> Well, remember that it is fiction. I wanted it far enough ahead so as to
> get in all the stuff I needed to get in (alien contact, FTL, time
> travel, etc.) but not so far along that projection would be tiresome. In
> its usual way, NASA has disappointed me by trucking along much more
> slowly; to a greater or lesser degree all space exploration novels are
> becoming fantasy.

I was thinking of the problems caused by, for example, the fall of the
Soviet Union. Writers who had the USSR as a major space power well into
the future had to do serious retconning. (Jack Chalker had it easy;
Nathan Brazil pushed the universe's reset button.) And "Soviets invade
America" novels were turning up in bookstores for a while after the
USSR's dissolution.

Tangent: I suspect a fully-accurate written in the 1950s, and set in
the 1990s or later, would be unsalable without heavy editing.
Marshmallow flavored vodka? Fried Mars Bars? Canada's highest court
declaring same-sex marriage legal?


--
Dan Goodman

[Brenda Clough]

Have you ever read Fleming's James Bond novels? Some of them are sadly
inaccurate now. To read that the very best food in a city may be
obtained from hotel room service is just a hoot.

[JF]

On 26/06/2012 02:39, Brenda Clough wrote:

>
> Well, remember that it is fiction. I wanted it far enough ahead
> so as to get in all the stuff I needed to get in (alien contact,
> FTL, time travel, etc.) but not so far along that projection
> would be tiresome. In its usual way, NASA has disappointed me by
> trucking along much more slowly; to a greater or lesser degree
> all space exploration novels are becoming fantasy.

Here's hope:

quote
(Reuters) - China re-affirmed its goal of building a full-fledged
space station by 2020 on Sunday, following a successful manual
docking between a manned spacecraft and an experimental orbiting
lab module.
unquote

I wonder if NASA has noticed.

Spaceflight, technology to a large extent, depends on propulsion
units. If Alan Bond's air-breathing rockets work then all bets
are off. SSTO (the best short.... one of the best short stories I
ever wrote was about SSTO, it's in one of my Kindle books) will
then be possible, a two hour world where a terrorist or a virus
can be in Washington for breakfast and Singapore for dinner the
night before.

Looking at the Club of Rome's efforts, I'd suggest that optimism
is probably the best policy, although those viruses do cause me
some concern.

One thing I'm fairly certain of: the climate scare will have been
replaced by something else and the politicians will be leaping
aboard the bandwagon, seeking other ways to conjure hobgoblins to
make us demand their protection.

JF

[David Friedman]

In article <xoSdnRJJkehByXTS...@brightview.co.uk>,

JF <jul...@oopsoopsfloodsclimbers.co.uk> wrote:

> One thing I'm fairly certain of: the climate scare will have been
> replaced by something else and the politicians will be leaping
> aboard the bandwagon, seeking other ways to conjure hobgoblins to
> make us demand their protection.

The question is what else.

The sequence, as I recall it, has been:

Capitalism is unstable and inefficient--we need some sizable element of
central planning, along with policies to prevent a perpetual Great
Depression.

Increased population will doom us all.

Nuclear winter will kill us all (not quite in the same category, since
that catastrophe was conditional on a nuclear war happening)

Environmentalism in general.

Global Warming.

I note the recent news stories about rapid sea level rise on the U.S.
East Coast. One has to read the stories and do some arithmetic to
realize that the rise in question is something under a foot in sixty
years.

The last four in that sequence were all at least somewhat related, so
perhaps the next few will be as well.

[Brenda Clough]

On 6/26/2012 2:21 AM, JF wrote:
> On 26/06/2012 02:39, Brenda Clough wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, remember that it is fiction. I wanted it far enough ahead
>> so as to get in all the stuff I needed to get in (alien contact,
>> FTL, time travel, etc.) but not so far along that projection
>> would be tiresome. In its usual way, NASA has disappointed me by
>> trucking along much more slowly; to a greater or lesser degree
>> all space exploration novels are becoming fantasy.
>
> Here's hope:
>
> quote
> (Reuters) - China re-affirmed its goal of building a full-fledged space
> station by 2020 on Sunday, following a successful manual docking between
> a manned spacecraft and an experimental orbiting lab module.
> unquote
>
> I wonder if NASA has noticed.
>

Since space travel is so expensive, the only way to really get it going
is to have it supply either profit or prestige. Either space
industry/business has to become possible, or we begin competing in
another space race. The third major motivator for nations is war, and
we really don't want to be invaded by Martians.

[Brenda Clough]

On 6/26/2012 2:29 AM, David Friedman wrote:
> In article<xoSdnRJJkehByXTS...@brightview.co.uk>,
> JF<jul...@oopsoopsfloodsclimbers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> One thing I'm fairly certain of: the climate scare will have been
>> replaced by something else and the politicians will be leaping
>> aboard the bandwagon, seeking other ways to conjure hobgoblins to
>> make us demand their protection.
>
> The question is what else.
>
> The sequence, as I recall it, has been:
>
> Capitalism is unstable and inefficient--we need some sizable element of
> central planning, along with policies to prevent a perpetual Great
> Depression.
>
> Increased population will doom us all.
>
> Nuclear winter will kill us all (not quite in the same category, since
> that catastrophe was conditional on a nuclear war happening)
>
> Environmentalism in general.
>
> Global Warming.
>
> I note the recent news stories about rapid sea level rise on the U.S.
> East Coast. One has to read the stories and do some arithmetic to
> realize that the rise in question is something under a foot in sixty
> years.
>

It's not the actual rise in sea level. It's the storm surges, rougher
hurricaines, and generally more severe weather that will do us.

[Dan Goodman]

On 06/26/2012 01:29 AM, David Friedman wrote:
> In article<xoSdnRJJkehByXTS...@brightview.co.uk>,
> JF<jul...@oopsoopsfloodsclimbers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> One thing I'm fairly certain of: the climate scare will have been
>> replaced by something else and the politicians will be leaping
>> aboard the bandwagon, seeking other ways to conjure hobgoblins to
>> make us demand their protection.
>
> The question is what else.
>
> The sequence, as I recall it, has been:
>
> Capitalism is unstable and inefficient--we need some sizable element of
> central planning, along with policies to prevent a perpetual Great
> Depression.
>
> Increased population will doom us all.
>
> Nuclear winter will kill us all (not quite in the same category, since
> that catastrophe was conditional on a nuclear war happening)
>
> Environmentalism in general.
>
> Global Warming.
>
> I note the recent news stories about rapid sea level rise on the U.S.
> East Coast. One has to read the stories and do some arithmetic to
> realize that the rise in question is something under a foot in sixty
> years.
>
> The last four in that sequence were all at least somewhat related, so
> perhaps the next few will be as well.
>

I suggest adding conservative Viewing With Alarm items to this list.

--
Dan Goodman

[David Friedman]

In article <4fea7b31$0$50200$8046...@auth.newsreader.iphouse.com>,

Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> > The last four in that sequence were all at least somewhat related, so
> > perhaps the next few will be as well.
> >
> I suggest adding conservative Viewing With Alarm items to this list.
>

Feel free to do so.

Going back a lot farther, there was the concern about running out of
topsoil, before that the concern about the unfit outbreeding the fit,
before that ... .

[David Friedman]

In article <jsdrh5$j3b$2...@dont-email.me>,

Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > I note the recent news stories about rapid sea level rise on the U.S.
> > East Coast. One has to read the stories and do some arithmetic to
> > realize that the rise in question is something under a foot in sixty
> > years.
> >
>
> It's not the actual rise in sea level. It's the storm surges, rougher
> hurricaines, and generally more severe weather that will do us.

I don't suppose you followed the flap a while back when Chris Landsea
resigned from the IPCC in protest against someone in the organization
claiming that global warming led to worse hurricanes, a claim for which
at the time there seems to have been no peer reviewed support. He had
been an author of the Atlantic hurricane report in the previous round.

Landsea's open letter is here:

http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/science_policy_general/0003
18chris_landsea_leaves.html

And there is a long discussion of the controversy in the comment thread
to a post on my blog:

http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2007/02/reality-based-environmentalism
.html

[JF]

On 27/06/2012 03:33, Brenda Clough wrote:

>> I wonder if NASA has noticed.

> Since space travel is so expensive, the only way to really get it
> going is to have it supply either profit or prestige. Either
> space industry/business has to become possible, or we begin
> competing in another space race. The third major motivator for
> nations is war, and we really don't want to be invaded by Martians.

In my short story /Hittile/ I throw away a phrase about the ROUGH
MAGIC chain being built to kickstart the economy after the crash.
Mencken is quoted as saying: The whole aim of practical politics
is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to
safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all
of them imaginary.

I am surprised in that case that the political staffs of all
major parties do not contain at least one SF writer each: who
better than us to set the bogeymen loose? Then the spin merchants
could set off with their 'think of the children', 'we owe it to
our grandchildren', 'the precautionary principle says' chants
and, bingo!, before you know it you're in deep space with the
ability to knock threatening asteroids out of the sky. The fact
you can now colonise the asteroid belt is purely coincidental. Or
grow enough vaccine to beat a natural pandemic even if some
addled terrorist doesn't grow one to order. Or... insert
hobgoblin here.

JF

[[
Confidence bravo was fifty thou out. Confidence alfa...
"Well now. Just look at that," said Scott's voice. "It's a
bullseye." The red dot was dead centre on the Earth.
The chief controller slapped her hand on a palm-sized button
beside her chair. Sirens sounded and a robot voice blared.
"Alert, alert. Standby to launch." Airlocks slammed shut all
over the spinning wheel.
"Launching, launching. Non-essential personnel take cover.
Non-essential..."
ROUGH MAGIC lurched as the Hoplite blasted free.
"Hoplite to Guardian, take cover. Hoplite slewing now. Firing
in thirty seconds. Take cover." The speakers took up the refrain.
A controller grabbed Carradine. They fell together down some
steps into a dingy hole below the seats. The woman's face was wet
with sweat.
"If she blows up we'll get zapped. Three metres of lead here."
They held their breath.
Much later Carradine saw the holo of the launch, shot from
Longstop. The Hoplite broke free of the wheel in an explosion of
sparks and debris. She swung smoothly into position, then ignited
her main engine. Bombs fired one after another, three a second, a
searing glare that cut out all other vision, exploding just
behind the huge buffer plate, enormous shock absorbers bouncing
under the titanic strain of each impact. Hoplite stood on a
pillar of flame and streaked away. Big as a supertanker, fifty
years old, the hittile was up and running.
]]

[Brenda Clough]

On 6/27/2012 3:46 AM, JF wrote:
> On 27/06/2012 03:33, Brenda Clough wrote:
>
>>> I wonder if NASA has noticed.
>
>> Since space travel is so expensive, the only way to really get it
>> going is to have it supply either profit or prestige. Either
>> space industry/business has to become possible, or we begin
>> competing in another space race. The third major motivator for
>> nations is war, and we really don't want to be invaded by Martians.
>
> In my short story /Hittile/ I throw away a phrase about the ROUGH MAGIC
> chain being built to kickstart the economy after the crash. Mencken is
> quoted as saying: The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the
> populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
> it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
>
> I am surprised in that case that the political staffs of all major
> parties do not contain at least one SF writer each: who better than us
> to set the bogeymen loose?
>
>

They don't feel the need for writers to do this; like all amateurs they
think that it is easy to do it themselves.

[Joy Beeson]

On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com>

wrote:

> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?

One thing I definitely didn't expect for 2012 was a dead-serious ad
campaign urging children to use their sleeves for handkerchiefs.

(Haven't seen the ads lately -- perhaps someone saw how bad an idea
they were?)

What equally-daft thing will happen in 2062?

--------------

It amuses me that the new "King Size" Sharpie is a dead ringer for the
Marks-A-Lot that I used in the forties: looks, smells, and works
exactly the same. But I don't think the original style of marker ever
went away.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <v77v2816q7ibq575g...@4ax.com>,

Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:55:07 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com>
>wrote:
>
>> What do you expect your country to be like in 2062?
>
>One thing I definitely didn't expect for 2012 was a dead-serious ad
>campaign urging children to use their sleeves for handkerchiefs.
>
>(Haven't seen the ads lately -- perhaps someone saw how bad an idea
>they were?)

The idea is to *sneeze* into your sleeve, not wipe your nose on
it. And the reason is to keep the cold/flu viruses off your
hands. And the reason you haven't seen them lately is it is late
summer, not cold/flu season. But I still see the signs (in
several languages) permanently posted in, for example, Alta Bates
Hospital. Particularly in the elevators, for some reason.