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Jacey Bedford
May 19, 2013, 3:21:32 PM5/19/13
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Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
It also has:
rival mega corporations with a dirty underbelly
some mind-bending (neural reconditioning/brainwashing)
a colony of separatists (think Amish with attitude)
a well-connected ex-lover out for revenge
and there's a love story running through it.
I envisage that this could be the first book in an ongoing sequence.
I know if I can sell this that any publisher might change the title and
that's fine, but I feel as though I'd like to settle on a working title
I'm happy with.
It has been called 'Written in Dust' and 'Empire of Dust' but I don't
think 'dust' is a good word in this context. My friend Liz Williams came
up with: Mindshift
Alternately I have considered:
'Galileo Rising'? (Galileo being the colony world where the last 2/3 of
the action takes place.)
Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
jumpgates is known as the Folds.
Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
that are slightly less bad than others:
Foldspace
Headspace
Brainspace (Brain Space)
Mindspace
Trust on the Run
or something else with Galileo in it?
Planet Galileo? (Galileo on its own would obviously be misconstrued)
or something completely different.
I obviously would like to steer clear of a title that someone else has
used or that resonates with the title of another book. Ideas, comments
and opinions welcome.
Thanks
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
It also has:
rival mega corporations with a dirty underbelly
some mind-bending (neural reconditioning/brainwashing)
a colony of separatists (think Amish with attitude)
a well-connected ex-lover out for revenge
and there's a love story running through it.
I envisage that this could be the first book in an ongoing sequence.
I know if I can sell this that any publisher might change the title and
that's fine, but I feel as though I'd like to settle on a working title
I'm happy with.
It has been called 'Written in Dust' and 'Empire of Dust' but I don't
think 'dust' is a good word in this context. My friend Liz Williams came
up with: Mindshift
Alternately I have considered:
'Galileo Rising'? (Galileo being the colony world where the last 2/3 of
the action takes place.)
Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
jumpgates is known as the Folds.
Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
that are slightly less bad than others:
Foldspace
Headspace
Brainspace (Brain Space)
Mindspace
Trust on the Run
or something else with Galileo in it?
Planet Galileo? (Galileo on its own would obviously be misconstrued)
or something completely different.
I obviously would like to steer clear of a title that someone else has
used or that resonates with the title of another book. Ideas, comments
and opinions welcome.
Thanks
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Dan Goodman
May 19, 2013, 4:12:33 PM5/19/13
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 20:21:32 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
> It also has:
> rival mega corporations with a dirty underbelly some mind-bending
> (neural reconditioning/brainwashing)
> a colony of separatists (think Amish with attitude)
> a well-connected ex-lover out for revenge and there's a love story
> running through it.
>
> I envisage that this could be the first book in an ongoing sequence.
>
> I know if I can sell this that any publisher might change the title and
> that's fine, but I feel as though I'd like to settle on a working title
> I'm happy with.
>
> It has been called 'Written in Dust' and 'Empire of Dust' but I don't
> think 'dust' is a good word in this context.
"Empire of Dust" has been used twice, according to the Internet
> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
> It also has:
> rival mega corporations with a dirty underbelly some mind-bending
> (neural reconditioning/brainwashing)
> a colony of separatists (think Amish with attitude)
> a well-connected ex-lover out for revenge and there's a love story
> running through it.
>
> I envisage that this could be the first book in an ongoing sequence.
>
> I know if I can sell this that any publisher might change the title and
> that's fine, but I feel as though I'd like to settle on a working title
> I'm happy with.
>
> It has been called 'Written in Dust' and 'Empire of Dust' but I don't
> think 'dust' is a good word in this context.
Speculative Fiction Data Base.
My friend Liz Williams came
> up with: Mindshift
>
> Alternately I have considered:
> 'Galileo Rising'? (Galileo being the colony world where the last 2/3 of
> the action takes place.)
>
> Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
> characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
> they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
> jumpgates is known as the Folds.
>
> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>
> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>
> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
> that are slightly less bad than others:
> Foldspace Headspace Brainspace (Brain Space)
"A search for space found 3048 matches"
> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
> that are slightly less bad than others:
> Foldspace Headspace Brainspace (Brain Space)
> Mindspace Trust on the Run or something else with Galileo in it?
> Planet Galileo? (Galileo on its own would obviously be misconstrued)
> or something completely different.
>
> I obviously would like to steer clear of a title that someone else has
> used or that resonates with the title of another book.
Rocket Ship Galileo.
> Ideas, comments
> and opinions welcome.
Dan Goodman
David Friedman
May 19, 2013, 4:45:52 PM5/19/13
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In article <YeZv3oc8...@parkhead.demon.co.uk>,
Trustbust?
The Road to a Friend
(I'm thinking of a verse from the Elder Edda:
Crooked and dark is the road to a foe
Though he on the highroad dwells,
But short and straight is the road to a friend
Though he lives far away.)
A bit of a stretch, but it connects to your trust theme.
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The Road to a Friend
(I'm thinking of a verse from the Elder Edda:
Crooked and dark is the road to a foe
Though he on the highroad dwells,
But short and straight is the road to a friend
Though he lives far away.)
A bit of a stretch, but it connects to your trust theme.
--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/
http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
_Salamander_: http://tinyurl.com/6957y7e
_How to Milk an Almond,..._ http://tinyurl.com/63xg8gx
Jymesion
May 19, 2013, 6:00:09 PM5/19/13
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 20:21:32 +0100, Jacey Bedford
<look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>It has been called 'Written in Dust' and 'Empire of Dust' but I don't
>think 'dust' is a good word in this context.
The first thing that comes to my mind is "Written in Trust.'
>It has been called 'Written in Dust' and 'Empire of Dust' but I don't
>think 'dust' is a good word in this context.
Butch Malahide
May 19, 2013, 6:25:25 PM5/19/13
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David DeLaney
May 19, 2013, 6:35:34 PM5/19/13
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On 2013-05-19, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
> It also has:
> rival mega corporations with a dirty underbelly
> some mind-bending (neural reconditioning/brainwashing)
> a colony of separatists (think Amish with attitude)
> a well-connected ex-lover out for revenge
> and there's a love story running through it.
>
> I envisage that this could be the first book in an ongoing sequence.
>
> I know if I can sell this that any publisher might change the title and
> that's fine, but I feel as though I'd like to settle on a working title
> I'm happy with.
Origami Heart, Feng Shui Brain?
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
> It also has:
> rival mega corporations with a dirty underbelly
> some mind-bending (neural reconditioning/brainwashing)
> a colony of separatists (think Amish with attitude)
> a well-connected ex-lover out for revenge
> and there's a love story running through it.
>
> I envisage that this could be the first book in an ongoing sequence.
>
> I know if I can sell this that any publisher might change the title and
> that's fine, but I feel as though I'd like to settle on a working title
> I'm happy with.
Arrest And Developments?
Folding Water?
Another Think Coming?
> Alternately I have considered:
> 'Galileo Rising'? (Galileo being the colony world where the last 2/3 of
> the action takes place.)
> Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
> characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
> they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
> jumpgates is known as the Folds.
> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
Heart Habit To Break?
> I obviously would like to steer clear of a title that someone else has
> used or that resonates with the title of another book. Ideas, comments
> and opinions welcome.
Dave, Twice to Overfold (And Back To Dead)?
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HunterdonX
May 19, 2013, 6:38:30 PM5/19/13
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Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:YeZv3oc8...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
The Oracles
news:YeZv3oc8...@parkhead.demon.co.uk:
> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
Jacey Bedford
May 19, 2013, 8:53:05 PM5/19/13
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In message
<c965b7e4-8b01-4187...@r3g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes
No.
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
<c965b7e4-8b01-4187...@r3g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Jacey Bedford
May 19, 2013, 8:57:47 PM5/19/13
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In message <KpSdnRLzcu8rzgTM...@earthlink.com>, David
DeLaney <davidd...@earthlink.net> writes
Ah, true. I do have a middle grade children's book ready to go called
'Your Horse sees Dead People'
:-)
Jacey
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Jacey Bedford
DeLaney <davidd...@earthlink.net> writes
'Your Horse sees Dead People'
:-)
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Don Kuenz
May 19, 2013, 11:41:50 PM5/19/13
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In rec.arts.sf.written Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
> characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
> they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
> jumpgates is known as the Folds.
>
> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
A 1995 Tom Selleck made for TV movie about corrupt judges used that
> Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
> characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
> they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
> jumpgates is known as the Folds.
>
> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
title.
> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
Trust Folds?
Folding Trust?
Folded Trust?
(Too western gambler?)
--
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Brenda Clough
May 19, 2013, 11:54:20 PM5/19/13
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search window. My article, "The Theory and Practice of Titling" should
pop up. It may not find you a title, but it will tell you everything you
need to know.
Brenda (suggests a Gobbet title, if you can find one.)
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View Cafe.
http://www.bookviewcafe.com/index.php/Brenda-Clough/Novels/Speak-to-Our-Desires-Chapter-01
Brian M. Scott
May 20, 2013, 1:01:07 AM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 01:57:47 +0100, Jacey Bedford
<look...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
<news:FkEIpvhL...@parkhead.demon.co.uk> in
rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.composition:
[...]
> I do have a middle grade children's book ready to go called
> 'Your Horse sees Dead People'
> :-)
That is certainly a title to make one look twice.
Brian
<look...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
<news:FkEIpvhL...@parkhead.demon.co.uk> in
rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.composition:
[...]
> I do have a middle grade children's book ready to go called
> 'Your Horse sees Dead People'
> :-)
Brian
Butch Malahide
May 20, 2013, 1:39:59 AM5/20/13
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On May 19, 7:53 pm, Jacey Bedford <lookin...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In message
> <c965b7e4-8b01-4187-878b-ac97c3ef9...@r3g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> writes
'Without Drums'
> In message
> <c965b7e4-8b01-4187-878b-ac97c3ef9...@r3g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> writes
Jacey Bedford
May 20, 2013, 5:22:15 AM5/20/13
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In message
<f3d66b89-81c2-4a47...@b2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes
Ah!
<f3d66b89-81c2-4a47...@b2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes
HunterdonX
May 20, 2013, 12:20:30 PM5/20/13
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HunterdonX <884...@234.894> wrote in news:XnsA1C5BDA0A2FBBhunderdonX@
216.196.97.131:
Telepaths Have All The Luck
The Mindweavers
216.196.97.131:
The Mindweavers
Konrad Gaertner
May 20, 2013, 3:03:58 PM5/20/13
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Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>
> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>
> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
> that are slightly less bad than others:
> Foldspace
> Headspace
> Brainspace (Brain Space)
> Mindspace
Homespace
>
> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>
> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>
> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
> that are slightly less bad than others:
> Foldspace
> Headspace
> Brainspace (Brain Space)
> Mindspace
Trustspace
Confidence Level
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Greg Goss
May 20, 2013, 3:05:21 PM5/20/13
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Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>It has been called 'Written in Dust' and 'Empire of Dust' but I don't
>think 'dust' is a good word in this context.
I would need more of the context to know why these were both chosen
>It has been called 'Written in Dust' and 'Empire of Dust' but I don't
>think 'dust' is a good word in this context.
and rejected. I like the sound of both.
>My friend Liz Williams came up with: Mindshift
seventies.
>Alternately I have considered:
>'Galileo Rising'? (Galileo being the colony world where the last 2/3 of
>the action takes place.)
>
>Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
>characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
>they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
>jumpgates is known as the Folds.
Unfolding. An Unfolding. "Leaving the Fold" itself. "Above the Fold"
>Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
>characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
>they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
>jumpgates is known as the Folds.
is a newspaper term for the top story position of the day. Can you
work in a third context here?
>
>Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
>work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
cleverness. I don't like that one. Again it sounds like a seventies
committee work.
>
>To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
>that are slightly less bad than others:
>Foldspace
>Headspace
>Brainspace (Brain Space)
>Mindspace
>Trust on the Run
>or something else with Galileo in it?
>Planet Galileo? (Galileo on its own would obviously be misconstrued)
>or something completely different.
>
>I obviously would like to steer clear of a title that someone else has
>used or that resonates with the title of another book. Ideas, comments
>and opinions welcome.
"And Yet It Moves". Does a Galileo quote carry enough context for a
>To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
>that are slightly less bad than others:
>Foldspace
>Headspace
>Brainspace (Brain Space)
>Mindspace
>Trust on the Run
>or something else with Galileo in it?
>Planet Galileo? (Galileo on its own would obviously be misconstrued)
>or something completely different.
>
>I obviously would like to steer clear of a title that someone else has
>used or that resonates with the title of another book. Ideas, comments
>and opinions welcome.
"Galileo" colony?
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David Friedman
May 20, 2013, 4:41:52 PM5/20/13
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On the same question for a different book ... .
I'm a good deal of the way through the sequel to _Salamander_. My
working title is _Eirick_, the name of one of the central characters.
But the book doesn't really have a single protagonist--Eirick is central
only at the beginning, although important throughout. And there is some
risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the sequel
to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that that may
not be a major problem.
At the moment, I have two other ideas for titles:
Brothers
and
Pawns
The main basis for the first is the relation between Eirick and Kir, his
cousin and blood brother, which is an important plot element. They are
theoretical enemies, since Eirick's father tried to seize the throne
which Kir's father is currently the heir to and which Kir will
presumably in time inherit. One of the points made when they decide to
swear brotherhood is that that way nobody can make them fight each other.
In addition, Kir's father Kieron and Kieron's brother, the king, are
very close, and their relationship of mutual trust is an important
background element to the story.
The basis for the second is more indirect. Both Kir and Eirick are
enthusiastic chess players, and chess plays a minor role in the plot.
Perhaps more important, the bad guys, the Dorayan League, try to use
various other characters as pawns in their political manipulations,
mainly via magic.
Any opinions? The book started out in part about the industrial
organization of the magic industry, with three different versions in
three different polities, but that's really only background now, so I
don't think it makes sense to base a title on it.
I'm a good deal of the way through the sequel to _Salamander_. My
working title is _Eirick_, the name of one of the central characters.
But the book doesn't really have a single protagonist--Eirick is central
only at the beginning, although important throughout. And there is some
risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the sequel
to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that that may
not be a major problem.
At the moment, I have two other ideas for titles:
Brothers
and
Pawns
The main basis for the first is the relation between Eirick and Kir, his
cousin and blood brother, which is an important plot element. They are
theoretical enemies, since Eirick's father tried to seize the throne
which Kir's father is currently the heir to and which Kir will
presumably in time inherit. One of the points made when they decide to
swear brotherhood is that that way nobody can make them fight each other.
In addition, Kir's father Kieron and Kieron's brother, the king, are
very close, and their relationship of mutual trust is an important
background element to the story.
The basis for the second is more indirect. Both Kir and Eirick are
enthusiastic chess players, and chess plays a minor role in the plot.
Perhaps more important, the bad guys, the Dorayan League, try to use
various other characters as pawns in their political manipulations,
mainly via magic.
Any opinions? The book started out in part about the industrial
organization of the magic industry, with three different versions in
three different polities, but that's really only background now, so I
don't think it makes sense to base a title on it.
Konrad Gaertner
May 20, 2013, 5:32:48 PM5/20/13
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David Friedman wrote:
>
> On the same question for a different book ... .
>
> I'm a good deal of the way through the sequel to _Salamander_. My
> working title is _Eirick_, the name of one of the central characters.
> But the book doesn't really have a single protagonist--Eirick is central
> only at the beginning, although important throughout. And there is some
> risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the sequel
> to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that that may
> not be a major problem.
I'd try to find something related to salamanders then.
>
> On the same question for a different book ... .
>
> I'm a good deal of the way through the sequel to _Salamander_. My
> working title is _Eirick_, the name of one of the central characters.
> But the book doesn't really have a single protagonist--Eirick is central
> only at the beginning, although important throughout. And there is some
> risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the sequel
> to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that that may
> not be a major problem.
David Friedman
May 20, 2013, 7:37:51 PM5/20/13
to
In article <519A9680...@tx.rr.com>,
Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> David Friedman wrote:
> >
> > On the same question for a different book ... .
> >
> > I'm a good deal of the way through the sequel to _Salamander_. My
> > working title is _Eirick_, the name of one of the central characters.
> > But the book doesn't really have a single protagonist--Eirick is central
> > only at the beginning, although important throughout. And there is some
> > risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the sequel
> > to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that that may
> > not be a major problem.
>
> I'd try to find something related to salamanders then.
The elementals don't come into this book, at least so far as I know.
> David Friedman wrote:
> >
> > On the same question for a different book ... .
> >
> > I'm a good deal of the way through the sequel to _Salamander_. My
> > working title is _Eirick_, the name of one of the central characters.
> > But the book doesn't really have a single protagonist--Eirick is central
> > only at the beginning, although important throughout. And there is some
> > risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the sequel
> > to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that that may
> > not be a major problem.
>
> I'd try to find something related to salamanders then.
J.Pascal
May 20, 2013, 10:01:30 PM5/20/13
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On Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:21:32 PM UTC-6, Jacey Bedford wrote:
> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>
(...) My friend Liz Williams came
> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>
>
> up with: Mindshift
I like that one a lot.
>
>
>
> Alternately I have considered:
>
> 'Galileo Rising'? (Galileo being the colony world where the last 2/3 of
>
> the action takes place.)
I have an aversion to anything that uses "Rising."
>
>
> Alternately I have considered:
>
> 'Galileo Rising'? (Galileo being the colony world where the last 2/3 of
>
> the action takes place.)
> Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
>
> characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
>
> they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
>
> jumpgates is known as the Folds.
Why not? Sure, it doesn't really *mean* anything until after one learns to use "fold" for jump-space, but it's short and easy to remember and it's not "Rising". It's unique. It's probably not been used. It sounds sci-fi enough to identify the genre.
-Julie
-Julie
David DeLaney
May 21, 2013, 1:00:25 AM5/21/13
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On 2013-05-20, Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> Jacey Bedford wrote:
>> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
>> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>>
>> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>>
>> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
>> that are slightly less bad than others:
>> Foldspace
>> Headspace
>> Brainspace (Brain Space)
>> Mindspace
>
> Homespace
> Trustspace
> Confidence Level
Trust But Origamify
> Jacey Bedford wrote:
>> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
>> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>>
>> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>>
>> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
>> that are slightly less bad than others:
>> Foldspace
>> Headspace
>> Brainspace (Brain Space)
>> Mindspace
>
> Homespace
> Trustspace
> Confidence Level
Dave
HunterdonX
May 21, 2013, 6:47:50 AM5/21/13
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David DeLaney <davidd...@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:65udnQzVebf0YgfM...@earthlink.com:
> On 2013-05-20, Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
>>> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>>>
>>> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>>>
>>> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
>>> that are slightly less bad than others:
>>> Foldspace
>>> Headspace
>>> Brainspace (Brain Space)
>>> Mindspace
>>
>> Homespace
>> Trustspace
>> Confidence Level
>
> Trust But Origamify
>
> Dave
Maybe the obvious sort of title *is* the wrong idea. How about:
Kundalini Toodledo
or
Orbital What-What
or
Starship Babycakes
news:65udnQzVebf0YgfM...@earthlink.com:
> On 2013-05-20, Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
>>> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>>>
>>> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>>>
>>> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
>>> that are slightly less bad than others:
>>> Foldspace
>>> Headspace
>>> Brainspace (Brain Space)
>>> Mindspace
>>
>> Homespace
>> Trustspace
>> Confidence Level
>
> Trust But Origamify
>
> Dave
Kundalini Toodledo
or
Orbital What-What
or
Starship Babycakes
Jacey Bedford
May 21, 2013, 10:36:37 AM5/21/13
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In message <65udnQzVebf0YgfM...@earthlink.com>, David
DeLaney <davidd...@earthlink.net> writes
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
DeLaney <davidd...@earthlink.net> writes
>On 2013-05-20, Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
>>> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>>>
>>> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>>>
>>> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
>>> that are slightly less bad than others:
>>> Foldspace
>>> Headspace
>>> Brainspace (Brain Space)
>>> Mindspace
>>
>> Homespace
>> Trustspace
>> Confidence Level
>
>Trust But Origamify
>
>Dave
Is that the equivalent of: 'Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel,'?
>> Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
>>> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>>>
>>> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>>>
>>> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
>>> that are slightly less bad than others:
>>> Foldspace
>>> Headspace
>>> Brainspace (Brain Space)
>>> Mindspace
>>
>> Homespace
>> Trustspace
>> Confidence Level
>
>Trust But Origamify
>
>Dave
Jacey
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Jacey Bedford
May 21, 2013, 10:37:41 AM5/21/13
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In message <4c709ac9-a8e7-4edf...@googlegroups.com>,
J.Pascal <ju...@pascal.org> writes
Thanks, added it to the list.
Jacey
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J.Pascal <ju...@pascal.org> writes
Jacey
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David DeLaney
May 21, 2013, 2:34:18 PM5/21/13
to
On 2013-05-21, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> David DeLaney <davidd...@earthlink.net> writes
>>Trust But Origamify
Dave, and you have to expend a psychic needle's eye to fix things
> David DeLaney <davidd...@earthlink.net> writes
>>Trust But Origamify
>
> Is that the equivalent of: 'Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel,'?
Before it fills your tent full of mountain folds and valley folds.
> Is that the equivalent of: 'Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel,'?
Dave, and you have to expend a psychic needle's eye to fix things
Michael R N Dolbear
May 21, 2013, 3:43:13 PM5/21/13
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David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote
> > > risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the
sequel
> > > to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that
that may
> > > not be a major problem.
> >
> > I'd try to find something related to salamanders then.
>
> The elementals don't come into this book, at least so far as I know.
_No Salamanders_
_Not Elementary_
_Across the Mountains_
_Brothers in Magic_
Eirick comes under 'weird names' for me (Harald being just on the edge)
Kir is OK
_Cousin Kir_
--
Mike D
> > > risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the
sequel
> > > to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that
that may
> > > not be a major problem.
> >
> > I'd try to find something related to salamanders then.
>
> The elementals don't come into this book, at least so far as I know.
_Not Elementary_
_Across the Mountains_
_Brothers in Magic_
Eirick comes under 'weird names' for me (Harald being just on the edge)
Kir is OK
_Cousin Kir_
--
Mike D
David Friedman
May 21, 2013, 5:07:52 PM5/21/13
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In article <01ce565a$2b6c8260$LocalHost@default>,
but Kir doesn't.
There is a hint of parallelism with the king and his brother (Kir's
father). Kieron is a mage, the king is not, and the feel of their
relationship (complete trust) is the same as for the relation between
the two boys.
At the point where Eirick hasn't yet conceded that he has been doing
anything magical, he and Kir are doing an experiment on the subject,
described by Mari, Kir's stepmother.
---
Mari took the other chair, sat down. "The boys are sitting at the table
staring at a wine glass full of muddy water."
Ellen nodded understanding. "So Rick finally figured out what he is?"
Mari shook her head. "Rick thinks anyone can make mud settle out of
water-or a drug out of the wine it's dissolved in-if he stares at it
long enough. Kir is holding the glass, Rick is banished to the far end
of the table waiting for it to clear. I expect it will be a long wait."
"Michael R N Dolbear" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote
>
>
> > > > risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the
> sequel
> > > > to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that
> that may
> > > > not be a major problem.
> > >
> > > I'd try to find something related to salamanders then.
> >
> > The elementals don't come into this book, at least so far as I know.
>
> _No Salamanders_
>
> _Not Elementary_
>
> _Across the Mountains_
>
> _Brothers in Magic_
Eirick turns out to have some magical talent, which affects the plot,
> David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote
>
>
> > > > risk that calling it _Eirick_ will make people assume it is the
> sequel
> > > > to _Harald_, my first novel, although it did badly enough that
> that may
> > > > not be a major problem.
> > >
> > > I'd try to find something related to salamanders then.
> >
> > The elementals don't come into this book, at least so far as I know.
>
> _No Salamanders_
>
> _Not Elementary_
>
> _Across the Mountains_
>
> _Brothers in Magic_
but Kir doesn't.
There is a hint of parallelism with the king and his brother (Kir's
father). Kieron is a mage, the king is not, and the feel of their
relationship (complete trust) is the same as for the relation between
the two boys.
At the point where Eirick hasn't yet conceded that he has been doing
anything magical, he and Kir are doing an experiment on the subject,
described by Mari, Kir's stepmother.
---
Mari took the other chair, sat down. "The boys are sitting at the table
staring at a wine glass full of muddy water."
Ellen nodded understanding. "So Rick finally figured out what he is?"
Mari shook her head. "Rick thinks anyone can make mud settle out of
water-or a drug out of the wine it's dissolved in-if he stares at it
long enough. Kir is holding the glass, Rick is banished to the far end
of the table waiting for it to clear. I expect it will be a long wait."
Bill Swears
May 23, 2013, 1:37:51 AM5/23/13
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On 5/19/2013 12:12 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
"Cora's Trust." If you've changed her name, I'd recommend using the
name that applies. It seems like the story was very protag centric, and
I think that a title that rings of a personal quest might work well.
Neither of those titles gives me a book title in a Google search.
Cora's World?
Bill
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> On Sun, 19 May 2013 20:21:32 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
>> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>>
>
>> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>>
>> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
>> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
>> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
>> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
>> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
You might try something sort of McCaffreyesque, like "Cora's Faith," or
>> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
>> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
>> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
>> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
"Cora's Trust." If you've changed her name, I'd recommend using the
name that applies. It seems like the story was very protag centric, and
I think that a title that rings of a personal quest might work well.
Neither of those titles gives me a book title in a Google search.
Cora's World?
Bill
--
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Jacey Bedford
May 23, 2013, 6:01:17 AM5/23/13
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In message <knk9nm$nst$1...@dont-email.me>, Bill Swears <wsw...@gci.net>
writes
30% of the viewpoint which works quite well.
I'm still wibbling over changing the placeholder names. Every time I try
the characters object very strongly, but I must have picked two of the
most staid names in the universe.
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
writes
>On 5/19/2013 12:12 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 20:21:32 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>
>>> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>>>
>>> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
>>> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
>>> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
>>> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
>>> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
>You might try something sort of McCaffreyesque, like "Cora's Faith," or
>"Cora's Trust." If you've changed her name, I'd recommend using the
>name that applies. It seems like the story was very protag centric,
>and I think that a title that rings of a personal quest might work well.
>
>Neither of those titles gives me a book title in a Google search.
>
>Cora's World?
>
>Bill
>
>
Thanks, Bill. Yes it is protag-centric, though I've now given Ben about
>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 20:21:32 +0100, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>>
>>> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>>>
>>> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
>>> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
>>> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
>>> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
>>> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
>You might try something sort of McCaffreyesque, like "Cora's Faith," or
>"Cora's Trust." If you've changed her name, I'd recommend using the
>name that applies. It seems like the story was very protag centric,
>and I think that a title that rings of a personal quest might work well.
>
>Neither of those titles gives me a book title in a Google search.
>
>Cora's World?
>
>Bill
>
>
30% of the viewpoint which works quite well.
I'm still wibbling over changing the placeholder names. Every time I try
the characters object very strongly, but I must have picked two of the
most staid names in the universe.
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
jl...@sofluc.co.uk
May 23, 2013, 11:03:33 AM5/23/13
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> trust
If I think of anything, I'll post it. :-)
I tried looking in a name dictionary (searching on names that "trust" in their meaning) and got Faith.
Which makes me wonder, have you tried looking up synonyms of "trust" in a thesaurus, to see if that sparks any new ideas for a title?
p.s. I wrote this before reading/skimming the other replies...
If I think of anything, I'll post it. :-)
I tried looking in a name dictionary (searching on names that "trust" in their meaning) and got Faith.
Which makes me wonder, have you tried looking up synonyms of "trust" in a thesaurus, to see if that sparks any new ideas for a title?
p.s. I wrote this before reading/skimming the other replies...
Jacey Bedford
May 23, 2013, 1:41:15 PM5/23/13
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In message <86a1826a-027f-490d...@googlegroups.com>,
"chromo...@googlemail.com" <jl...@sofluc.co.uk> writes
Thanks, Jonathan. I might also try synonyms for 'faith' and see if it
takes me in another direction.
Thanks
Jacey
--
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"chromo...@googlemail.com" <jl...@sofluc.co.uk> writes
takes me in another direction.
Thanks
Jacey
--
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Dan Goodman
May 23, 2013, 4:53:08 PM5/23/13
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"Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
"Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
--
Dan Goodman
Jacey Bedford
May 23, 2013, 11:37:12 PM5/23/13
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In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
<dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
Errr?
Who? What?
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
<dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
Who? What?
Jacey
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Jacey Bedford
Scott Lurndal
May 24, 2013, 10:52:27 AM5/24/13
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dictatorial.
More seriously, who is "ben the bank robber"?
Kurt Busiek
May 24, 2013, 12:52:59 PM5/24/13
to
On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> said:
> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
>>
>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>
> Errr?
> Who? What?
I had much the same reaction.
>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
>>
>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>
> Errr?
> Who? What?
I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
The name is currently reasonably popular in the US (#308 as of 2010),
rising in popularity in recent decades after having hit its lowest
point in the 1980s.
kdb
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
May 24, 2013, 1:41:52 PM5/24/13
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On 5/24/13 12:52 PM, Kurt Busiek wrote:
> On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid>
> said:
>
>> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
>> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
>>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
>>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
>>>
>>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
>>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>>
>> Errr?
>> Who? What?
>
> I had much the same reaction.
>
Me three. For me, "Ben" is associated with "Kenobi", "Affleck",
> On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid>
> said:
>
>> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
>> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
>>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
>>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
>>>
>>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
>>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>>
>> Errr?
>> Who? What?
>
> I had much the same reaction.
>
"Franklin", and "Dover".
> I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
Or maybe both of these refer to In-World characters? That is, in the
book there was a dictator named Cora and a character called Ben the Bank
Robber?
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Jacey Bedford
May 24, 2013, 1:39:09 PM5/24/13
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In message <kno5lh$4ml$1...@dont-email.me>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
writes
Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
Never heard of him.
Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
Jacey
--
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writes
Never heard of him.
Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
Jacey
--
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David DeLaney
May 24, 2013, 1:48:00 PM5/24/13
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On 2013-05-24, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
> Never heard of him.
>
> Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
Meanwhile, for book titles: maybe
> Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
> Never heard of him.
>
> Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
Old Bold Fold Soldiers
or
Persistence of Memery
Dave
Anthony Nance
May 24, 2013, 1:47:06 PM5/24/13
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In rec.arts.sf.written Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
> On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> said:
>
>> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
>> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
>>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
>>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
>>>
>>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
>>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>>
>> Errr?
>> Who? What?
>
> I had much the same reaction.
>
> I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
I think Dan was nodding in the direction of in-story context.
> On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid> said:
>
>> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
>> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
>>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
>>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
>>>
>>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
>>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>>
>> Errr?
>> Who? What?
>
> I had much the same reaction.
>
> I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
- Tony
Jacey Bedford
May 24, 2013, 1:59:02 PM5/24/13
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In message <kno92q$kbm$1...@dont-email.me>, Anthony Nance
<na...@math.ohio-state.edu> writes
In which story?
Jacey
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<na...@math.ohio-state.edu> writes
Jacey
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Anthony Nance
May 24, 2013, 2:10:37 PM5/24/13
to
he suggested "Cora's World" and you mentioned a Ben in your response.
Btw, going back to your original purpose for the thread, if the
dirty corporations and (separately) the mindbending stuff are up
front enough, you could try "In Fraud We Trust".
Tony
Kurt Busiek
May 24, 2013, 2:33:47 PM5/24/13
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Yours.
Reading back over the exchange, he seems to be suggesting that you
establish the character names as unusual within the world of the story,
and is postulating potential reasons they could have become so.
I don't think that does anything to make the names less staid to the
reader (though I don't think of either name as terribly staid), but it
does seem to be what he actually meant.
David Friedman
May 24, 2013, 3:14:27 PM5/24/13
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In article <L8Lnt.41929$Lw2....@fe09.iad>,
When I need names for characters in a hypothetical, I use Anne and Bill.
Not only are those A and B, they are also the names of wife's parents.
sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> >Suggestion: Make them unusual in the society(ies) of the story.
> >
> >"Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
> >popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
> >
> >"Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
> >Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>
> Hey, my maternal grandparents were Ben and Cora. Neither criminal nor
> dictatorial.
>
> More seriously, who is "ben the bank robber"?
A suggestion by a Usenet poster.
> >Suggestion: Make them unusual in the society(ies) of the story.
> >
> >"Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
> >popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
> >
> >"Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
> >Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>
> Hey, my maternal grandparents were Ben and Cora. Neither criminal nor
> dictatorial.
>
> More seriously, who is "ben the bank robber"?
When I need names for characters in a hypothetical, I use Anne and Bill.
Not only are those A and B, they are also the names of wife's parents.
David Friedman
May 24, 2013, 3:17:47 PM5/24/13
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In article <kno8h7$kfu$2...@dont-email.me>,
the back-story of the book, and explained why the names were unpopular.
Along somewhat similar lines, the practice of naming children after
famous mages in the hope that they will be more likely to become mages
as a result, based on a (false) belief about how magery works, is a plot
device in _Salamander_, due to an error deliberately planted by a mage
who wanted to fake his own death but continue to function under his
actual name. To hide a tree, plant a forest.
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> On 5/24/13 12:52 PM, Kurt Busiek wrote:
> > On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid>
> > said:
> >
> >> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
> >> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
> >>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
> >>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
> >>>
> >>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
> >>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
> >>
> >> Errr?
> >> Who? What?
> >
> > I had much the same reaction.
> >
>
> Me three. For me, "Ben" is associated with "Kenobi", "Affleck",
> "Franklin", and "Dover".
>
>
>
> > I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
>
> So am I.
>
> Or maybe both of these refer to In-World characters? That is, in the
> book there was a dictator named Cora and a character called Ben the Bank
> Robber?
I thought that was the obvious meaning--that those characters existed in
> On 5/24/13 12:52 PM, Kurt Busiek wrote:
> > On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid>
> > said:
> >
> >> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
> >> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
> >>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
> >>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
> >>>
> >>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
> >>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
> >>
> >> Errr?
> >> Who? What?
> >
> > I had much the same reaction.
> >
>
> Me three. For me, "Ben" is associated with "Kenobi", "Affleck",
> "Franklin", and "Dover".
>
>
>
> > I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
>
> So am I.
>
> Or maybe both of these refer to In-World characters? That is, in the
> book there was a dictator named Cora and a character called Ben the Bank
> Robber?
the back-story of the book, and explained why the names were unpopular.
Along somewhat similar lines, the practice of naming children after
famous mages in the hope that they will be more likely to become mages
as a result, based on a (false) belief about how magery works, is a plot
device in _Salamander_, due to an error deliberately planted by a mage
who wanted to fake his own death but continue to function under his
actual name. To hide a tree, plant a forest.
Don Bruder
May 24, 2013, 3:47:55 PM5/24/13
to
In article <kno8h7$kfu$2...@dont-email.me>,
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> On 5/24/13 12:52 PM, Kurt Busiek wrote:
> > On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid>
> > said:
> >
> >> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
> >> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
> >>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
> >>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
> >>>
> >>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
> >>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
> >>
> >> Errr?
> >> Who? What?
> >
> > I had much the same reaction.
> >
>
> Me three. For me, "Ben" is associated with "Kenobi", "Affleck",
> "Franklin", and "Dover".
>
>
>
> > I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
>
> So am I.
>
> Or maybe both of these refer to In-World characters? That is, in the
> book there was a dictator named Cora and a character called Ben the Bank
> Robber?
That's how I read it.
> > On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid>
> > said:
> >
> >> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
> >> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
> >>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
> >>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
> >>>
> >>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
> >>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
> >>
> >> Errr?
> >> Who? What?
> >
> > I had much the same reaction.
> >
>
> Me three. For me, "Ben" is associated with "Kenobi", "Affleck",
> "Franklin", and "Dover".
>
>
>
> > I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
>
> So am I.
>
> Or maybe both of these refer to In-World characters? That is, in the
> book there was a dictator named Cora and a character called Ben the Bank
> Robber?
--
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Dan Goodman
May 24, 2013, 4:36:09 PM5/24/13
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will be.
--
Dan Goodman
Dan Goodman
May 24, 2013, 4:36:47 PM5/24/13
to
On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:52:59 -0700, Kurt Busiek wrote:
> On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid>
> said:
>
>> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
>> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
>>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
>>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
>>>
>>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
>>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>>
>> Errr?
>> Who? What?
>
> I had much the same reaction.
>
> I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
She han't been born yet.
> On 2013-05-24 03:37:12 +0000, Jacey Bedford <look...@nospam.invalid>
> said:
>
>> In message <xZydnbSbCK0pHAPM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
>> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
>>> "Cora" has gone out of fashion for the same reason "Adolf" dropped in
>>> popularity; it was the name of a nastier-than-most dictator.
>>>
>>> "Ben" has become associated with the fictional character "Ben the Bank
>>> Robber" -- the world's most humorously inept criminal.
>>
>> Errr?
>> Who? What?
>
> I had much the same reaction.
>
> I'm also wondering what dictator named Cora is being referenced here.
> The name is currently reasonably popular in the US (#308 as of 2010),
> rising in popularity in recent decades after having hit its lowest point
> in the 1980s.
>
> kdb
--
Dan Goodman
May 24, 2013, 4:38:20 PM5/24/13
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Another instance of "Perfectly clear to the writer, but not to the
reader."
--
Dan Goodman
Dan Goodman
May 24, 2013, 4:44:09 PM5/24/13
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--
Dan Goodman
Dan Goodman
May 24, 2013, 4:44:58 PM5/24/13
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--
Dan Goodman
Jacey Bedford
May 25, 2013, 7:24:16 AM5/25/13
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In message <knoaet$kbm$2...@dont-email.me>, Anthony Nance
Thanks, Tony, I've put it on the longlist.
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Jacey
--
Jacey Bedford
Jacey Bedford
May 25, 2013, 7:25:32 AM5/25/13
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Greg Goss
May 26, 2013, 10:52:51 AM5/26/13
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point of back-story. Some point in our future but in the story's
past.
--
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Greg Goss
May 26, 2013, 10:56:36 AM5/26/13
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David Friedman <dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>When I need names for characters in a hypothetical, I use Anne and Bill.
>Not only are those A and B, they are also the names of wife's parents.
I never noticed until I was setting up the tracking spreadsheets for
>When I need names for characters in a hypothetical, I use Anne and Bill.
>Not only are those A and B, they are also the names of wife's parents.
the trust accounts in my late wife's estate that her niece Alexandra
and nephew Brian were named in alphabetical order.
I felt embarassed at having missed this link for more than a decade.
Brenda Clough
May 26, 2013, 6:41:54 PM5/26/13
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On 5/26/2013 10:56 AM, Greg Goss wrote:
> David Friedman<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>
>> When I need names for characters in a hypothetical, I use Anne and Bill.
>> Not only are those A and B, they are also the names of wife's parents.
>
> I never noticed until I was setting up the tracking spreadsheets for
> the trust accounts in my late wife's estate that her niece Alexandra
> and nephew Brian were named in alphabetical order.
>
> I felt embarassed at having missed this link for more than a decade.
I googled once on my name (I am the first 300+ hits) and found that
> David Friedman<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>
>> When I need names for characters in a hypothetical, I use Anne and Bill.
>> Not only are those A and B, they are also the names of wife's parents.
>
> I never noticed until I was setting up the tracking spreadsheets for
> the trust accounts in my late wife's estate that her niece Alexandra
> and nephew Brian were named in alphabetical order.
>
> I felt embarassed at having missed this link for more than a decade.
there is a Brenda Clough somewhere in Iowa. She is married to a Barry
Clough, and their children are Carson and Cody. I do not doubt that the
grandchildren will be Doris. Doranna, Doron and Daniel.
Brenda
--
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David DeLaney
May 27, 2013, 5:51:43 PM5/27/13
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On 2013-05-26, Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I googled once on my name (I am the first 300+ hits) and found that
> there is a Brenda Clough somewhere in Iowa. She is married to a Barry
> Clough, and their children are Carson and Cody. I do not doubt that the
> grandchildren will be Doris. Doranna, Doron and Daniel.
You are Denice Daimara, and I claim a brief glimpse of your father's psyche.
> I googled once on my name (I am the first 300+ hits) and found that
> there is a Brenda Clough somewhere in Iowa. She is married to a Barry
> Clough, and their children are Carson and Cody. I do not doubt that the
> grandchildren will be Doris. Doranna, Doron and Daniel.
jl...@sofluc.co.uk
Jun 2, 2013, 6:13:49 PM6/2/13
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On Sunday, 26 May 2013 23:41:54 UTC+1, bre...@sff.net wrote:
> On 5/26/2013 10:56 AM, Greg Goss wrote:
> > David Friedman<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>
> >> When I need names for characters in a hypothetical, I use Anne and Bill.
> >> Not only are those A and B, they are also the names of wife's parents.
> >
>
> > I never noticed until I was setting up the tracking spreadsheets for
> > the trust accounts in my late wife's estate that her niece Alexandra
> > and nephew Brian were named in alphabetical order.
> >
> > I felt embarassed at having missed this link for more than a decade.
>
> I googled once on my name (I am the first 300+ hits) and found that
> there is a Brenda Clough somewhere in Iowa. She is married to a Barry
> Clough, and their children are Carson and Cody. I do not doubt that the
> grandchildren will be Doris. Doranna, Doron and Daniel.
>
> Brenda
Clearly. But have you checked that Brenda and Barry's parents are named Aaron, Adam, Angelica and Abigail?
> On 5/26/2013 10:56 AM, Greg Goss wrote:
> > David Friedman<dd...@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>
> >> When I need names for characters in a hypothetical, I use Anne and Bill.
> >> Not only are those A and B, they are also the names of wife's parents.
> >
>
> > I never noticed until I was setting up the tracking spreadsheets for
> > the trust accounts in my late wife's estate that her niece Alexandra
> > and nephew Brian were named in alphabetical order.
> >
> > I felt embarassed at having missed this link for more than a decade.
>
> I googled once on my name (I am the first 300+ hits) and found that
> there is a Brenda Clough somewhere in Iowa. She is married to a Barry
> Clough, and their children are Carson and Cody. I do not doubt that the
> grandchildren will be Doris. Doranna, Doron and Daniel.
>
> Brenda
And what about grandparents? Equally clearly, they don't exist, although perhaps you could count Dr Tyrell and others of his ilk.
Good word that, "ilk". I must remember to use it more often. :-)
Jonathan
Brenda Clough
Jun 2, 2013, 8:42:42 PM6/2/13
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so on.
Bill Swears
Jun 8, 2013, 7:21:30 AM6/8/13
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On 5/23/2013 2:01 AM, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
> I'm still wibbling over changing the placeholder names. Every time I try
> the characters object very strongly, but I must have picked two of the
> most staid names in the universe.
I thought Cora worked. My limited experience tells me that I need to
>
> I'm still wibbling over changing the placeholder names. Every time I try
> the characters object very strongly, but I must have picked two of the
> most staid names in the universe.
stick with one name until the story is solid, then do a global search
and replace. For me it's change names, change characters.
--
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Bill Swears
Jun 8, 2013, 7:23:36 AM6/8/13
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On 5/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
> Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
> Never heard of him.
>
> Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
Confuses Americans too.
>
> Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
> Never heard of him.
>
> Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
Bill
Bill Swears
Jun 8, 2013, 7:27:56 AM6/8/13
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On 5/25/2013 3:25 AM, Jacey Bedford wrote:
> In message <xridnQcgZYMhUgLM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
>>
> In message <xridnQcgZYMhUgLM...@iphouse.net>, Dan Goodman
> <dsg...@iphouse.com> writes
>>
>> Another instance of "Perfectly clear to the writer, but not to the
>> reader."
> I'm afraid so.
>
I was confused, but when I looked at it as back-story, I laughed
>> reader."
> I'm afraid so.
>
out-loud. Well played.
David DeLaney
Jun 8, 2013, 9:20:42 AM6/8/13
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On 2013-06-08, Bill Swears <wsw...@gci.net> wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>> Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
>> Never heard of him.
>>
>> Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
>
> Confuses Americans too.
Of course, Americans have a head start.
> On 5/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>> Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
>> Never heard of him.
>>
>> Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
>
> Confuses Americans too.
Dave, we're number ...wait a second there -
David Friedman
Jun 8, 2013, 10:01:57 AM6/8/13
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In article <kov3ur$3qv$2...@dont-email.me>, Bill Swears <wsw...@gci.net>
wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
> >
> > Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
> > Never heard of him.
> >
> > Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
>
> Confuses Americans too.
Some Americans.
Author of _Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_
wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
> >
> > Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
> > Never heard of him.
> >
> > Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
>
> Confuses Americans too.
Author of _Future Imperfect: Technology and Freedom in an Uncertain World_
Walter Bushell
Jun 9, 2013, 7:26:59 AM6/9/13
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In article <m5OdnW0K5vE3si7M...@earthlink.com>,
--
Gambling with Other People's Money is the meth of the fiscal industry.
me -- in the spirit of Karl and Groucho Marx
David DeLaney <davidd...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 2013-06-08, Bill Swears <wsw...@gci.net> wrote:
> > On 5/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jacey Bedford wrote:
> >> Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
> >> Never heard of him.
> >>
> >> Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
> >
> > Confuses Americans too.
>
> Of course, Americans have a head start.
>
> Dave, we're number ...wait a second there -
<FLUSH>
> On 2013-06-08, Bill Swears <wsw...@gci.net> wrote:
> > On 5/24/2013 9:39 AM, Jacey Bedford wrote:
> >> Me, too. Can't think of one offhand and as for Ben the Bank Robber...
> >> Never heard of him.
> >>
> >> Dan, is this some kind of flippant joke to confuse non-Americans?
> >
> > Confuses Americans too.
>
> Of course, Americans have a head start.
>
> Dave, we're number ...wait a second there -
--
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Nicky
Jul 4, 2013, 1:47:44 PM7/4/13
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On Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:21:32 PM UTC+1, Jacey Bedford wrote:
> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>
>
>
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
>
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
>
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
>
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
>
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
>
>
> It also has:
> Crossposted to rasfc and rasfw
>
>
>
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
>
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
>
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
>
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
>
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
>
>
>
> rival mega corporations with a dirty underbelly
>
> some mind-bending (neural reconditioning/brainwashing)
>
> a colony of separatists (think Amish with attitude)
>
> a well-connected ex-lover out for revenge
>
> and there's a love story running through it.
>
>
>
> I envisage that this could be the first book in an ongoing sequence.
>
>
>
> I know if I can sell this that any publisher might change the title and
>
> that's fine, but I feel as though I'd like to settle on a working title
>
> I'm happy with.
>
>
>
> It has been called 'Written in Dust' and 'Empire of Dust' but I don't
>
> think 'dust' is a good word in this context. My friend Liz Williams came
>
> up with: Mindshift
>
>
>
> Alternately I have considered:
>
> 'Galileo Rising'? (Galileo being the colony world where the last 2/3 of
>
> the action takes place.)
>
>
>
> Something with the word 'fold' in it night work as my two main
>
> characters are both leaving the fold (leaving behind the organisations
>
> they thought they could trust) and also the space/non-space between
>
> jumpgates is known as the Folds.
>
>
>
> Trust being a central theme, something with 'trust' in it might also
>
> work. Is 'Broken Trust' too obvious? Not skiffi enough?
>
>
>
> Would 'Sleight of Mind' work or is it too self-consciously clever?
>
>
>
> To be honest I'm fresh out of good ideas and only seem to have ideas
>
> that are slightly less bad than others:
>
> Foldspace
>
> Headspace
>
> Brainspace (Brain Space)
>
> Mindspace
>
> Trust on the Run
>
> or something else with Galileo in it?
>
> Planet Galileo? (Galileo on its own would obviously be misconstrued)
>
> or something completely different.
>
Just popped in to catch up. What about:
Unfolding
Leaving Galileo's Fold
Folded
Sounds good - think of me if you are looking for readers!
Nicky
>
>
William Vetter
Jul 24, 2013, 6:16:23 PM7/24/13
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On Sunday, May 19, 2013 3:21:32 PM UTC-4, Jacey Bedford wrote:
>
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
>
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
>
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
>
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
>
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
When all else fails, go to the public library and find an encyclopedia of quotes and look up trust, find some line from the Illiad or Odyssey or Cicero or William Shakespeare or Chaucer and work it into the text somehow, then use some high-sounding fragment of it for the title. That's what all them literary writers do.
>
> You guys see a lot of titles and I'm having a title crisis for my work
>
> in progress (one that I left on a back burner but have come back to).
>
> It's an escapade set in space (soft SF) which has a central theme of
>
> 'trust' running through it (as in who is trustworthy and who is not).
>
> The other theme is telepathy (powered by neural implants)
>
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