This is just the first draft,
Persona
posting half of it.
Yes, therer is indeed much more of it!
I really would value criticism, pref. of a constructive kind.
"Fuck off" will not improve my poetry, unless maybe, you incorporate it
in a witty ditty - there's a challenge for some of you ;)
With subtle strokes, the brush as wand
Oil paint on canvas, to deftly bond
The Artist has deep longing in his mind
To capture nature, and present defined
For Life, so full of Mystery and Fate
Weaves scenes of ardent Love, with those of Hate
The human myths of Heaven, and of Hell
Was imperative, that he paint those as well
So setting off, he travelled far and wide
Through jungles wild and tranquil countryside
To find those beings, in whose eyes he'd see
Some hint of what extremes, humanity could be
Till resting, weary, 'neath a welcome tree
A vision, of the saint, he chanced to see
An honest farmer, ploughing up the soil
Leading his oxen, in honest earthly toil
The glistening sweat, upon his upturned face
Gave, to his brow, a shimmer of Heavenly grace
The artist quickly then, began to paint
This paragon of virtue, mankind as Saint
The worker stopped, to shade from Noondays heat
And sat, cross-legged under the artist's tree, to eat
His simple meal of fruit and cheese and bread
Then boldly spoke the artist to him, and said
May I, your worthy portrait paint? For you
Present a model of man, honest and true
A view of what tis possible, mankind could be
The vision of highest Heaven, in Humanity
Sherrie Lee
Persona wrote:
> and I've been sensitive to the artistic natures on this site so am only
> posting half of it.
> Yes, therer is indeed much more of it!
>
> I really would value criticism, pref. of a constructive kind.
> "Fuck off" will not improve my poetry, unless maybe, you incorporate it
> in a witty ditty - there's a challenge for some of you ;)
One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Many
scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. Sometimes there were
two sets of footprints, other times there was one only.
This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my
life, when I was suffering from anguish, sorrow or defeat, I could see
only one set of footprints, so I said to the Lord,
"You promised me Lord,
that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I have
noticed that during the most trying periods of my life there has only
been one set of footprints in the sand. Why, when I needed you most,
have you not been there for me?"
The Lord replied, "The years when you have seen only one set of
footprints, my child, is when I carried you."
****
****
Persona
I've heard that story, it's nice but I don't believe in God anymore.
I do believe in Karma & maybe higher beings but not ones that 'shape'
our lives, I think that's up to us & it's important we remember that,
in our interactions in the world.
Sherrie Lee
Since then, at an uncertain hour,
That agony returns:
And till my ghastly tale is told,
This heart within me burns.
I pass, like night, from land to land;
I have strange power of speech;
That moment that his face I see,
I know the man that must hear me:
To him my tale I teach.
Persona
This is good, it makes me want to know more about the subject, is there
more.
Sherrie Lee
There's more poem. It's called, Rime of the Ancient Mariner
by Samuel Coleridge.
Barbara's Cat
1. When writing a poem of the type you're attempting to emulate
(See 1a.), attention should be somewhat paid to its rhythm,
i.e., does it sing well?
1a. I tried matching it with several types/forms but failed.
IMO, the subject begs for the ballad (not ballade) form.
2. Avoid adding "filler" phrases merely for the sake of rhyme,
e.g., L2.
3. The piece needs proper punctuation (déjà vu?). In its case,
using line breaks as punctuation doesn't work. With consecutive
closed (complete) lines or closed couplets, line breaks work
(within reason); however, with open couplets, they don't.
4. Read Dennis M Hammes's "Prosody".
http://scrawlmark.org/proso.html
Disclaimer: I am not a poet. My statements are my opinion.
A mousy will come shortly to tell you just how wrong I am.
--
Cm~
Alix
"Barbara's Cat" <c...@NOSPAM.org> wrote in message
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> 3. The piece needs proper punctuation (déją vu?). In its case,
> using line breaks as punctuation doesn't work. With consecutive
> closed (complete) lines or closed couplets, line breaks work
> (within reason); however, with open couplets, they don't.
>
> 4. Read Dennis M Hammes's "Prosody".
> http://scrawlmark.org/proso.html
>
> Disclaimer: I am not a poet. My statements are my opinion.
>
> A mousy will come shortly to tell you just how wrong I am.
>
> --
> Cm~
Hi--
I'm sorry to say (if my status as a lurker here will allow me to step in
with a crit) that this poem, both in concept and language, is so outdated
that I almost suspect it is a parody. You are writing to, and of, a world
that disappeared a hundred years ago. Think of it as practice in rhyme and
meter -- which you handle fairly well -- and then throw it out. Read some
modern poetry. A lot of it. Then try writing again.
Alix
Sick Mind
"Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
> and I've been sensitive to the artistic natures on this site so am only
> posting half of it.
> Yes, therer is indeed much more of it!
What are you using? Windows 3.1?
It is not the product of clear thought. You have two characters so
far, one an "artist" I suppose and one a "farmer." Is the "toil" of the
farmer "superior" to the "toil" of the artist? Did the artist not travel
through "jungles wild and tranquil countryside" wearying himself? What
about the toil of the poet?
It doesn't work. Are the "farmer" and the "artist" the same person?
It still wouldn't work.
The word order of the first stanza is especially tortured. Why did you
do that?
The cause of the problem here is probably another attempt to achieve
some sort of importance or significance through rhyme. That usually fails.
My best, most constructive advice is to tell the story without rhyme or
paint the picture without rhyme. If /that/ is good then consider whether to
add rhyme.
No charge.
~~
Sick Mind
The Clearest Thinker Here
Apparently, no?
Sick Mind
"Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
> Sherrie Lee wrote:
>> Persona wrote:
>>> and I've been sensitive to the artistic natures on this site so am only
>>> posting half of it.
>>> Yes, therer is indeed much more of it!
>>>
>>> I really would value criticism, pref. of a constructive kind.
>>> "Fuck off" will not improve my poetry, unless maybe, you incorporate it
>>> in a witty ditty - there's a challenge for some of you ;)
>> One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Many
>> scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
>>
>> In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. Sometimes there were
>> two sets of footprints, other times there was one only.
>>
>> This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my
>> life, when I was suffering from anguish, sorrow or defeat, I could see
>> only one set of footprints, so I said to the Lord,
>>
>> "You promised me Lord,
>> that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I have
>> noticed that during the most trying periods of my life there has only
>> been one set of footprints in the sand. Why, when I needed you most,
>> have you not been there for me?"
>>
>> The Lord replied, "The years when you have seen only one set of
>> footprints, my child, is when I carried you."
>>> With subtle strokes, the brush as wand
That's probably why she took away your power of clear thought.
> I do believe in Karma & maybe higher beings but not ones that 'shape'
> our lives, I think that's up to us & it's important we remember that,
> in our interactions in the world.
Apparently, no?
~~
Sick Mind
Yet clear
Apparently, no?
Barbara's Cat
> > 3. The piece needs proper punctuation (déjà vu?). In its case,
> > using line breaks as punctuation doesn't work. With consecutive
> > closed (complete) lines or closed couplets, line breaks work
> > (within reason); however, with open couplets, they don't.
> >
> > 4. Read Dennis M Hammes's "Prosody".
> > http://scrawlmark.org/proso.html
> >
> > Disclaimer: I am not a poet. My statements are my opinion.
> >
> > A mousy will come shortly to tell you just how wrong I am.
>
> Hi--
> I'm sorry to say (if my status as a lurker here will allow me to step in
> with a crit) that this poem, both in concept and language, is so outdated
> that I almost suspect it is a parody. You are writing to, and of, a world
> that disappeared a hundred years ago. Think of it as practice in rhyme and
> meter -- which you handle fairly well -- and then throw it out. Read some
> modern poetry. A lot of it. Then try writing again.
IMHO, that's pure duck quacking. How can you expect anyone to
successfully write "modern" poetry with all its complexities
without ever bothering to learn the root fundamentals of form,
meter, sound, etc.? IOW, Persona should write many more poems
like she is doing until she understands *why* they are written
the way they are, then move on to learning and understanding
how "modern" poetry is written. If she doesn't, she'll more
than likely turn out to be just another quacking duck.
I agree with your "reading" part; every novice should read
*and listen to* lots of poetry of all genres.
--
Cm~
landyman_alby
" I really would value criticism... of a constructive kind."
"Barbara's Cat" is correct, if you want to write metrical verse, you'll
have to learn
the tools of the trade. Practice won't make perfect, but it will make
palatable.
Dennis's page is excellent-
http://scrawlmark.org/proso.html
You may also want to check out -
http://meadhall.homestead.com/PoeticMeter.html
You'll have to do your own revisions if you really want to grow, but
here's a not very well thought out revision of your first two verses.
With SUBtle STROKES, with BRUSH as WAND,
the PAINT on CANvas DEFTly BONDS.
The ARTist DEEPly LONGS in MIND
to CAPture NAture- "'NOW" deFIND-
For LIFE, so FULL of MYSterY,
weaves SCENES that SOME call "HIStorY",
but ART unITES both LOVE and HATE:
the ARTist KNOWS that NOW can't WAIT
You can take it form there if you're so inclined.
Best off luck.
Persona
Thanks, that's all very helpful to me. I think I'm just too eager to
post any piece of trite phrasing, & I'll have to learn more discipline
over that :)
Persona
> > using line breaks as punctuation doesn't work. With consecutive
> > closed (complete) lines or closed couplets, line breaks work
> > (within reason); however, with open couplets, they don't.
> >
> > 4. Read Dennis M Hammes's "Prosody".
> > http://scrawlmark.org/proso.html
> >
> > Disclaimer: I am not a poet. My statements are my opinion.
> >
> > A mousy will come shortly to tell you just how wrong I am.
> >
> > --
> > Cm~
>
> Hi--
> I'm sorry to say (if my status as a lurker here will allow me to step in
> with a crit) that this poem, both in concept and language, is so outdated
> that I almost suspect it is a parody. You are writing to, and of, a world
> that disappeared a hundred years ago. Think of it as practice in rhyme and
> meter -- which you handle fairly well -- and then throw it out. Read some
> modern poetry. A lot of it. Then try writing again.
>
> Alix
Yes, I need to read a /lot/ more poetry. I'm hung-up on the old style
'moral' type gunge. need to springclean.
Persona
Yes, I knew the first stanza was all wrong, pure laxness for me not to
have changed it & shows a certain disrespect for this group I think :(
It's a sort of parable from an eastern religion (maybe Buddhist) that I
heard in my youth & has always had a guiding influence on my life.
The artist soon gives up searche for someone to portray an evil enough
visage to represent Hell. At the end of his life, he hears of a
criminal whose crimes are so heinous, he is known throughout the land;
the Artist remembers his quest & goes to paint this monster. Whilst
painting the 'demon' through the bars of his cell, the man shows no
acknowledgement of the artist until he is being dragged from his cell
to his execution, when their eyes meet; the artist recognises that he
has painted 2 pictures of the same man.
Persona
Good advice about the revisions & I'm glad you've shown the word
emphasis above; I obviosly needed some help with scanning. :)
Sick Mind
"Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
> Sick Mind wrote:
>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
> Yes, I knew the first stanza was all wrong, pure laxness for me not to
> have changed it & shows a certain disrespect for this group I think :(
> It's a sort of parable from an eastern religion (maybe Buddhist) that I
> heard in my youth & has always had a guiding influence on my life.
> The artist soon gives up searche for someone to portray an evil enough
> visage to represent Hell. At the end of his life, he hears of a
> criminal whose crimes are so heinous, he is known throughout the land;
> the Artist remembers his quest & goes to paint this monster. Whilst
> painting the 'demon' through the bars of his cell, the man shows no
> acknowledgement of the artist until he is being dragged from his cell
> to his execution, when their eyes meet; the artist recognises that he
> has painted 2 pictures of the same man.
I recognize the religion. It is the stupid one. Just as good
religions the world over are mostly similar in character if not detail, so
are the bad ones. It is the same stupid one whether East or West. It has
hounded me all my life making it miserable. It is based on misreadings of
the good, smart religions. An example is the book of Ecclesiastes. It is
the one that goes on and on about how "all is vanity" and "vexation of
spirit." But here is the important point. All is not vanity. Judaism does
not teach that all is vanity. The book of Ecclesiastes is merely showing
the moment in the life of the "preacher" when he feels all is vanity. It is
"sympathy for the devil" of a sort which is the reason I mentioned the
Rolling Stones "Sympathy for the Devil" as their closest approach to poetry.
But God never says all is vanity. Christianity when read correctly, which
is rare, does not teach that all is vanity. Of course it is the most
misread of all religions and there are many so called "Christians" who would
enjoy your poem. In America it might make a lot of money. After all they
paid to see "Dumb and Dumber."
But it is really disturbing like finding a bandage in the soup. Will
might think a poem about finding a bandage in the soup is "cool." You
might. "Jinn" might. See a pattern?
Anyway a lot of human effort is vanity, sometimes even good intentions
are not successful. But /all/ is not vanity and heinous murderers are not
saints.
How would you like to change the title to "Bandage in the Soup"? You
can't use "Sympathy for the Devil" because the Rolling Stones already used
it.
"Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints"
Recognize the line?
~~
Sick Mind
Classicist Emeritus
Apparently, no?
Central CPU
"Sick Mind" <boro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
>> Sick Mind wrote:
>>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
For writing like Persona's to succeed I think it needs to be part of a
larger collection of work that includes reason. "Ecclesiastes" is part of
the larger work, the Bible. The Rolling Stones are famous for other work.
The story of the criminal saint is probably from a Taoist (or "Daoist"
transliterations vary) tradition that includes reason in the whole as well
as many stories like that one.
~~
Central CPU
Apparently, no?
Sick Mind
"Central CPU" <centr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> "Sick Mind" <boro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
>>> Sick Mind wrote:
>>>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
> For writing like Persona's to succeed I think it needs to be part of a
> larger collection of work that includes reason. "Ecclesiastes" is part of
> the larger work, the Bible. The Rolling Stones are famous for other work.
> The story of the criminal saint is probably from a Taoist (or "Daoist"
> transliterations vary) tradition that includes reason in the whole as well
> as many stories like that one.
I agree. Taoism (Daoism) is the most misread of eastern "religions"
(more a philosophical system or tradition than a religion). But
Christianity is misread more.
~~
Sick Mind
Nigel Clarendon
"Sick Mind" <boro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> Bandage in the soup
Kewl.
~~
Nigel Pennington Baron Clarendon
Sick Mind
"Nigel Clarendon" <nigel.c...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> "Sick Mind" <boro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>> Bandage in the soup
>
> Kewl.
Not you. We can say that, not you. Don't do that again. It's
disturbing. We are all anglophiles here.
~~
Sick Mind
Dennis M. Hammes
> and I've been sensitive to the artistic natures on this site so am only
> posting half of it.
> Yes, therer is indeed much more of it!
>
> I really would value criticism, pref. of a constructive kind.
> "Fuck off" will not improve my poetry, unless maybe, you incorporate it
> in a witty ditty - there's a challenge for some of you ;)
>
> With subtle strokes, the brush as wand
> Oil paint on canvas, to deftly bond
Since the "wand" as creating a universe is not developed, it requires
me to conclude that it merely reaches for its rhyme with "bond."
Thus, it leaves me shaken, not stirred.
> The Artist has deep longing in his mind
AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!
Well, you have a copy of the pome, and I'm not going to do any more
lines/words. I've read the other crits to date/time, and have a few
niggles with them, too, so...
Words have /their own/ meanings, which can be had by touching the
Earth after reading a dictionary, and they have the connotations that
other poets have forced them into.
Pomes are written with the first sort of meanings, but your piece
is writ almost entirely with the second sort, rather vaguely
remembered as "being or sounding poetic."
A pome is a map of where /you've/ been, and its voice is what the
place sounded like /to you/ or what /you/ sounded like when you seD
"Oh, my God," or "Yecchh." Apparently, you've been over other
people's pomes, but giving us their fragments only gives us a bunch
of confetti, not a map of what /you/ saw.
Not even what Keats saw on first looking into Chapman's /Homer/ or
Pope saw on reading James II.
There's nothing "outmoded" about metrics and rhyme. Plenty of
moderns and postmoderns use them, even to take other moderns and
postmoderns to task.
http://scrawlmark.org/sw.html
There's noting "wrong" with pitting a farmer against an artist. See
the small sonnet series "To a Lilac" in
http://scrawlmark.org/loveinc.html
Note that the voice and argument of each of those is, however, the
speaker's /own/, and in its own present tense and circumstance,
however the forms and scenarios are traditional, even artificially
formal ("conceited").
In short, write what /you/ know and want to say, not what you
thought somebody else seD, or, even worse, what you thot somebody
else wanted to hear.
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"Sick Mind" <boro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:iFExg.471922$Fs1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Actually, re-leagioning is something to wihich most gravitate.
Few (if any) religions have /enough/ to constitute usable wisdom
and so it becomes a social venue. Praise PHI
> It is the same stupid one whether East or West. It has
> hounded me all my life making it miserable. It is based on misreadings of
> the good, smart religions. An example is the book of Ecclesiastes. It is
> the one that goes on and on about how "all is vanity" and "vexation of
> spirit." But here is the important point. All is not vanity. Judaism does
> not teach that all is vanity. The book of Ecclesiastes is merely showing
> the moment in the life of the "preacher" when he feels all is vanity.
No... "all really /is/ emptyness" ...but when you find the right
flavor ice cream... :)
--------------- from http://www.gesher.org/Wisdom/Ecclesiastes.html
1 The author: Solomon of Jerusalem, King David's son, "The Preacher."
2 In my opinion, nothing is worthwhile; everything is futile.
3 For what does a man get for all his hard work? Generations come and go, but it makes no difference. The sun rises and sets and
hurries around to rise again. The wind blows south and north, here and there, twisting back and forth, getting nowhere. The rivers
run into the sea, but the sea is never full, and the water returns again to the rivers and flows again to the sea...
8 everything is unutterably weary and tiresome.
--------------
I love Ecc. The "Living Bible" has the best Xlation, I bet.
> It is
> "sympathy for the devil" of a sort which is the reason I mentioned the
> Rolling Stones "Sympathy for the Devil" as their closest approach to poetry.
I bet it would help to understand the nature of some of the basics
of -- energy, matter etc.. before tackling something as pithy as life.
But hey... you /think/ you undestand, which the Siri Guru Granth
indicates: will cause you to "suffer by this action
Seems like singers and songwriters are pretty free to have fun.
> But God never says all is vanity.
There is no overreaching intelligence. God is a concept,
not an ice cream flavor.
>Christianity when read correctly, which
> is rare, does not teach that all is vanity. Of course it is the most
> misread of all religions
It is an ultimately moronic exoteric debacle, but killing
all the christians cases ecological damage.
> and there are many so called "Christians" who would
> enjoy your poem. In America it might make a lot of money. After all they
> paid to see "Dumb and Dumber."
I haven't positioned myself as a Christian for several decades.
Yet I find "God's Grandeur" by Hopkins to be a favorite.
>
> But it is really disturbing like finding a bandage in the soup. Will
> might think a poem about finding a bandage in the soup is "cool." You
> might. "Jinn" might. See a pattern?
Depending on the flavor of ice cream,
of which the soup consists.
I love poetry.
My mind immediatly engages itself in a game
surroudning that... "of which the soup consists"
>
> Anyway a lot of human effort is vanity, sometimes even good intentions
> are not successful. But /all/ is not vanity and heinous murderers are not
> saints.
The word "vanity" (in Ecc.) is much better translated as "emptiness".
Attempts to reneder /truth/ using words
are best left to poety.
If you want truth -- raise worms, or find
a buddha on the road.
>
> How would you like to change the title to "Bandage in the Soup"? You
> can't use "Sympathy for the Devil" because the Rolling Stones already used
> it.
>
> "Just as every cop is a criminal
> And all the sinners saints"
>
> Recognize the line?
Yeah... Saw /RS/ at the Oakland Coliseum, one night.
(brit-fags, you know... )
It is actually, both Mick Jagger's and my birthday, today (7/26).
And also a happy birthday to Carl Jung.
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Sick Mind
"Gecko Jinn" <N...@where.You think> wrote
> "Sick Mind" <boro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
>>> Sick Mind wrote:
>>>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
Ask me whether I am surprised.
> The "Living Bible" has the best Xlation, I bet.
That's relative not absolute, best for /whom/.
>> It is
>> "sympathy for the devil" of a sort which is the reason I mentioned the
>> Rolling Stones "Sympathy for the Devil" as their closest approach to
>> poetry.
> I bet it would help to understand the nature of some of the basics
> of -- energy, matter etc.. before tackling something as pithy as life.
Momentum is mass times velocity neglecting the rarely significant speed
of light part (1/(1-v^2/c^2)^0.5), and you have none.
> But hey... you /think/ you undestand, which the Siri Guru Granth
> indicates: will cause you to "suffer by this action
Who?
> Seems like singers and songwriters are pretty free to have fun.
>> But God never says all is vanity.
> There is no overreaching intelligence.
Certainly not at your end.
> God is a concept,
> not an ice cream flavor.
>> Christianity when read correctly, which
>> is rare, does not teach that all is vanity. Of course it is the most
>> misread of all religions
> It is an ultimately moronic exoteric debacle, but killing
> all the christians [causes] ecological damage.
Not to mention the problem of whether /you/ would be identified as one.
>> and there are many so called "Christians" who would
>> enjoy your poem. In America it might make a lot of money. After all
>> they
>> paid to see "Dumb and Dumber."
> I haven't positioned myself as a Christian for several decades.
> Yet I find "God's Grandeur" by Hopkins to be a favorite.
>> But it is really disturbing like finding a bandage in the soup. Will
>> might think a poem about finding a bandage in the soup is "cool." You
>> might. "Jinn" might. See a pattern?
> Depending on the flavor of ice cream,
> of which the soup consists.
>
> I love poetry.
>
> My mind immediatly engages itself in a game
> surroudning that... "of which the soup consists"
>> Anyway a lot of human effort is vanity, sometimes even good
>> intentions
>> are not successful. But /all/ is not vanity and heinous murderers are
>> not
>> saints.
> The word "vanity" (in Ecc.) is much better translated as "emptiness".
You are wrong. Accumulation of wealth is not "emptiness" but it is
"vanity" according to that speaker.
> Attempts to reneder /truth/ using words
> are best left to poety.
Not your keyboard.
> If you want truth -- raise worms, or find
> a buddha on the road.
What do you use books for? Doorstops? I read them.
>> How would you like to change the title to "Bandage in the Soup"? You
>> can't use "Sympathy for the Devil" because the Rolling Stones already
>> used
>> it.
>>
>> "Just as every cop is a criminal
>> And all the sinners saints"
>>
>> Recognize the line?
> Yeah... Saw /RS/ at the Oakland Coliseum, one night.
> (brit-fags, you know... )
In the Oakland Colosseum? What were the odds?
> It is actually, both Mick Jagger's and my birthday, today (7/26).
> And also a happy birthday to Carl Jung.
"An intellectual is a person who's found one thing that's more
interesting than sex." -- Aldous Huxley born July 26, 1894. I heard that on
NPR. Also "Show me a sane man and I will cure him." -- Carl Jung
~~
Sick Mind
Gecko Jinn
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An xlation is judged by its fidelity to the author's intent.
Or its general /rightness/...
>
>>> It is
>>> "sympathy for the devil" of a sort which is the reason I mentioned the
>>> Rolling Stones "Sympathy for the Devil" as their closest approach to
>>> poetry.
>
>> I bet it would help to understand the nature of some of the basics
>> of -- energy, matter etc.. before tackling something as pithy as life.
>
> Momentum is mass times velocity neglecting the rarely significant speed
> of light part (1/(1-v^2/c^2)^0.5), and you have none.
Pffft... You have no clue what any of out multi-dimensional universe
is about. Neither do I, that much.
>
>> But hey... you /think/ you undestand, which the Siri Guru Granth
>> indicates: will cause you to "suffer by this action
>
> Who?
Guru Nanak.
>
>> Seems like singers and songwriters are pretty free to have fun.
>
>>> But God never says all is vanity.
>
>> There is no overreaching intelligence.
>
> Certainly not at your end.
Certainly not at any end.
>
>> God is a concept,
>> not an ice cream flavor.
>
>>> Christianity when read correctly, which
>>> is rare, does not teach that all is vanity. Of course it is the most
>>> misread of all religions
>
>> It is an ultimately moronic exoteric debacle, but killing
>> all the christians [causes] ecological damage.
>
> Not to mention the problem of whether /you/ would be identified as one.
Well... I gave my life to Jexus at a billy graham crusade...
...and I handed out tracts on Broadway, in SF
... fed the boat people of Cambodia
...visited the orphans and widows in their affliction.
>
>>> and there are many so called "Christians" who would
>>> enjoy your poem. In America it might make a lot of money. After all
>>> they
>>> paid to see "Dumb and Dumber."
>
>> I haven't positioned myself as a Christian for several decades.
>> Yet I find "God's Grandeur" by Hopkins to be a favorite.
>
>>> But it is really disturbing like finding a bandage in the soup. Will
>>> might think a poem about finding a bandage in the soup is "cool." You
>>> might. "Jinn" might. See a pattern?
>
>> Depending on the flavor of ice cream,
>> of which the soup consists.
>>
>> I love poetry.
>>
>> My mind immediatly engages itself in a game
>> surroudning that... "of which the soup consists"
>
>>> Anyway a lot of human effort is vanity, sometimes even good
>>> intentions
>>> are not successful. But /all/ is not vanity and heinous murderers are
>>> not
>>> saints.
>
>> The word "vanity" (in Ecc.) is much better translated as "emptiness".
>
> You are wrong. Accumulation of wealth is not "emptiness" but it is
> "vanity" according to that speaker.
You're mistaken. The author's intent was as I say.
Produce links that disprove me, and I'll apologize.
>
>> Attempts to reneder /truth/ using words
>> are best left to poety.
>
> Not your keyboard.
I do better than you.
>
>> If you want truth -- raise worms, or find
>> a buddha on the road.
>
> What do you use books for? Doorstops? I read them.
What a stud!
>
>>> How would you like to change the title to "Bandage in the Soup"? You
>>> can't use "Sympathy for the Devil" because the Rolling Stones already
>>> used
>>> it.
>>>
>>> "Just as every cop is a criminal
>>> And all the sinners saints"
>>>
>>> Recognize the line?
>
>> Yeah... Saw /RS/ at the Oakland Coliseum, one night.
>> (brit-fags, you know... )
>
> In the Oakland Colosseum? What were the odds?
I think it is spelled as I did. The odds seem100%.
We left early, since my ex-wife was feeling ill.
(we had seats that were pretty close, and the sound
was too much for her..)
>
>> It is actually, both Mick Jagger's and my birthday, today (7/26).
>> And also a happy birthday to Carl Jung.
>
> "An intellectual is a person who's found one thing that's more
> interesting than sex." -- Aldous Huxley born July 26, 1894. I heard that on
> NPR. Also "Show me a sane man and I will cure him." -- Carl Jung
Kool... (but I doubt Huxley's quote... Most women have little
interest in sex.)
Gecko Jinn
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In retrospect, that is the funniest thing I've said all week.
And /still/ the women love me because I can kindle
the smallest clit into a raging inferno. Technology in motion.
:)
Will Dockery
>
> But it is really disturbing like finding a bandage in the soup. Will
> might think a poem about finding a bandage in the soup is "cool." You
> might. "Jinn" might. See a pattern?
The pattern here, Sick, is that /you/ had the image.
A couple of decades ago I /did/ find a bandaid in my green pepper and
onion beef tips while at the old Western Sizzler on Victory Drive...
but never wrote a poem about it.
Aparently you just might, no?
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" I love Ecclesiastes."
A top shelf book of wisdom.
My favorite----
Ecclesiastes 3:19
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one
thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they
have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast:
for all is vanity.
"The word 'vanity' is much better translated as 'emptiness'."
The word "vanity" is more accurately translated as "emptiness of
meaning".
"It is actually both Mick Jagger's and my birthday today."
Happy Birthday.
Isn't it sad to watch Mick act like an adolescent in front of
millions of people?
It's kind of like watching you squander your talents on porn.
Persona
Oh goodness, we read that out loud in English when I was a teenager, we
wrote an essay about the meaning of the abatross, I forget what the
meaning was.
I love that last bit, I'm a silly sausage, it brought tears to my eyes
:)
He prayeth best, who loveth best
All things both great and small;
For the dear God who loveth us,
He made and loveth all.
Dennis M. Hammes
> The story of the criminal saint is probably from a Taoist (or "Daoist"
> transliterations vary) tradition that includes reason in the whole as well
> as many stories like that one.
>
>
A rather well-established version tells it of a Renaissance artist in
a Christian context.
It's prolly well older than both; Atlantic man was doing
representational human figures 27,000 years ago.
Persona
Barbara's Cat wrote:
I agree, i haven't read anything today but I did go to the National
Portrait Gallery & spent extra time looking at the portraits of Shelley
& Byron; lovely jubbly :)
Persona
Sick Mind wrote:
I disagree about the religion, buddhism is a far superior philosophical
position than the Judo-christian-islamic ones
& the Christian church is not actually following the message of Christ
- the Gnostics tried to do that, and were persecuted by the Church
because Rulers needed to keep control of the population & certainly
didn't want people thinking they could get to God without a conduit
that the Ruler could be in control of. Hence all the rituals &
reliance, once again, on special 'holy men' - note they were men, so
again relegating women to second class.
I was brought up in the Sally Army, we went out actually helping people
& never did I hear anyone make a negative comment about any other
religion.
Buddhism & similar religions are primarily about a person having
responsibility for their own soul & the explanation in terms of Karma
is borne out by Psychology. A lot of the theories are also in line with
modern Physics.
Persona
Central CPU wrote:
No, I checked, it is Jainist.
It's not a criminal saint.
It's showing the range of possibilities within all of us & that a saint
can turn into a sinner depending on circumstances & a sinner has the
potential to turn into a saint.
Conversion of Saul to Paul; the money lender - Lazarus, the slave owner
who became 'converted & wrote the lyrics "Amazing Grace"...
It shows the importance of being vigilant about your conduct, actions,
words & thoughts - each second we make choices which mold & shape our
characters.
Peter J Ross
rec.arts.poems:
budda
fuck
!
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Sick Mind
"Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
> Sick Mind wrote:
>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
>>> Sick Mind wrote:
>>>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
> I disagree about the religion, buddhism is a far superior philosophical
> position than the Judo-christian-islamic ones
You misunderstood. I admire Taoism in its uncorrupted form. I admire
Buddhism as well. I never said the correctly-read religions were inferior.
Good religions/philosophical systems, /East or West,/ are copied
incorrectly, misread. I like the story you brought, but it is probably part
of a larger system you shouldn't ignore.
> & the Christian church is not actually following the message of Christ
"the Christian church"? Headquarters?
I also said that Christianity is the most misread of all religions,
which point I maintain.
> - the Gnostics tried to do that, and were persecuted by the Church
> because Rulers needed to keep control of the population
But everyone wants to rule the world. Didn't you know?
> & certainly
> didn't want people thinking they could get to God without a conduit
> that the Ruler could be in control
Is history a specialty of yours?
> of. Hence all the rituals &
> reliance, once again, on special 'holy men' - note they were men, so
> again relegating women to second class.
I believe women had more respect back then. Did you notice some of the
names Will called Renay? Could he have done that back then?
> I was brought up in the Sally Army, we went out actually helping people
I hope you didn't use a conduit! My God!
> & never did I hear anyone make a negative comment about any other
> religion.
But they can be heard even when they aren't made sometimes?
> Buddhism & similar religions are primarily about a person having
> responsibility for their own soul & the explanation in terms of Karma
> is borne out by Psychology. A lot of the theories are also in line with
> modern Physics.
Is religion or philosophy a specialty of yours?
Will you be using the title I offered? Apparently, no?
~~
Sick Mind
Dearest AJ
Will Dockery wrote:
> Sick Mind wrote:
> >
> > But it is really disturbing like finding a bandage in the soup. Will
> > might think a poem about finding a bandage in the soup is "cool." You
> > might. "Jinn" might. See a pattern?
>
> The pattern here, Sick, is that /you/ had the image.
>
> A couple of decades ago I /did/ find a bandaid in my green pepper and
> onion beef tips while at the old Western Sizzler on Victory Drive...
> but never wrote a poem about it.
I almost got ice in a blended whiskey and water.
That was cold...:)
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Barbara's Cat
Persona <verit...@mac.com> said:
> I agree, i haven't read anything today but I did go to the National
> Portrait Gallery & spent extra time looking at the portraits of Shelley
> & Byron; lovely jubbly :)
You island people are so blessed having
all those fine cultural places to visit.
All I have around me is Mickey's Mansion,
Wet Willy's Water Hole, and Beer Gardens.
Heh, try discussing poetry with a mouse...
oh, wait... you've done that.
Never mind.
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Persona
Whereabouts do you live ? sorry if you've already said & I've
forgotten.
Persona
I agree, which is why I had to read quite a few sources before being
being anle to synthesise a philosophical standpoint that I could be
comfortable with; I like to think I am fairly open to new ideas though,
even if they contradict mine. IMO the human psyche can never be totally
open to change since change is resisted even when it can be helpful to
the wellbeing of the individual & we can only assimilate ideas that can
be accomodated into existing mental constructs (Piaget)
>
> > & the Christian church is not actually following the message of Christ
>
> "the Christian church"? Headquarters?
>
> I also said that Christianity is the most misread of all religions,
> which point I maintain.
>
> > - the Gnostics tried to do that, and were persecuted by the Church
> > because Rulers needed to keep control of the population
>
> But everyone wants to rule the world. Didn't you know?
>
> > & certainly
> > didn't want people thinking they could get to God without a conduit
> > that the Ruler could be in control
>
> Is history a specialty of yours?
No, but fascinating, so I read & watch whatever is available but not in
a systematic way, hence prob. don't really know what I'm talking about
most of the time.
>
> > of. Hence all the rituals &
> > reliance, once again, on special 'holy men' - note they were men, so
> > again relegating women to second class.
>
> I believe women had more respect back then. Did you notice some of the
> names Will called Renay? Could he have done that back then?
>
> > I was brought up in the Sally Army, we went out actually helping people
>
> I hope you didn't use a conduit! My God!
I didn't go back after leaving for Uni, but went to a church /once/ &
the vicar was giving a sermon about 'false religions' especially in the
East - I didn't go back to church but got more interested in other
religions.
>
> > & never did I hear anyone make a negative comment about any other
> > religion.
>
> But they can be heard even when they aren't made sometimes?
Agree, but not where I went, although I was young & may not have
noticed.
>
> > Buddhism & similar religions are primarily about a person having
> > responsibility for their own soul & the explanation in terms of Karma
> > is borne out by Psychology. A lot of the theories are also in line with
> > modern Physics.
>
> Is religion or philosophy a specialty of yours?
Nothing is a speciality really, Jill of all trades, mistress of none ;)
I liked reading Philosophy but couldn't get very far with
Wittgenstein's Logicus Tractatus -
I couldn't understand exactly what was meant by the first sentence "The
World is alll that is the case"
>
> Will you be using the title I offered? Apparently, no?
Can I take a raincheck on that one ;o)
>
>
> ~~
> Sick Mind
Persona
Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
> Persona wrote:
>
> > and I've been sensitive to the artistic natures on this site so am only
> > posting half of it.
> > Yes, therer is indeed much more of it!
> >
> > I really would value criticism, pref. of a constructive kind.
> > "Fuck off" will not improve my poetry, unless maybe, you incorporate it
> > in a witty ditty - there's a challenge for some of you ;)
> >
> > With subtle strokes, the brush as wand
> > Oil paint on canvas, to deftly bond
>
>
> Since the "wand" as creating a universe is not developed, it requires
> me to conclude that it merely reaches for its rhyme with "bond."
> Thus, it leaves me shaken, not stirred.
I wanted to show that the artist thought he could enlighten with his
paintings, that his brush was considered something magical that could
'explain' the world not merely set the visual down on canvas.
>
>
> > The Artist has deep longing in his mind
>
>
> AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!
OooooKaaay
what about, "the artist would rather paint, than date, and fornicate" ?
>
>
> Well, you have a copy of the pome, and I'm not going to do any more
> lines/words. I've read the other crits to date/time, and have a few
> niggles with them, too, so...
>
> Words have /their own/ meanings, which can be had by touching the
> Earth after reading a dictionary, and they have the connotations that
> other poets have forced them into.
> Pomes are written with the first sort of meanings, but your piece
> is writ almost entirely with the second sort, rather vaguely
> remembered as "being or sounding poetic."
Yes, I had that feeling but didn't know why.
> A pome is a map of where /you've/ been, and its voice is what the
> place sounded like /to you/ or what /you/ sounded like when you seD
> "Oh, my God," or "Yecchh." Apparently, you've been over other
> people's pomes, but giving us their fragments only gives us a bunch
> of confetti, not a map of what /you/ saw.
> Not even what Keats saw on first looking into Chapman's /Homer/ or
> Pope saw on reading James II.
I think I understand that now.
>
> There's nothing "outmoded" about metrics and rhyme. Plenty of
> moderns and postmoderns use them, even to take other moderns and
> postmoderns to task.
> http://scrawlmark.org/sw.html
>
> There's noting "wrong" with pitting a farmer against an artist. See
> the small sonnet series "To a Lilac" in
> http://scrawlmark.org/loveinc.html
I wasn't trying to 'pit' him at all but I think I have to think a lot
more about what I do want to convey.
>
> Note that the voice and argument of each of those is, however, the
> speaker's /own/, and in its own present tense and circumstance,
> however the forms and scenarios are traditional, even artificially
> formal ("conceited").
Understand formal but not conceited - I'm sure you can't mean /I'm/
conceited - perish the thought!
> In short, write what /you/ know and want to say, not what you
> thought somebody else seD, or, even worse, what you thot somebody
> else wanted to hear.
LOL - I hear that loud & clear - thanks for such a constructive reply.
Dennis M. Hammes
>
> I agree, i haven't read anything today but I did go to the National
> Portrait Gallery & spent extra time looking at the portraits of Shelley
> & Byron; lovely jubbly :)
>
Jesus H. Fuck, do you look at pictures of Big Bird and Elmo to learn
English?
Well -- we in America do exactly that.
You should be writing saleable copy in no time flat.
Yoda sleep now can.
Dennis M. Hammes
> Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>
>
>>Note that the voice and argument of each of those is, however, the
>>speaker's /own/, and in its own present tense and circumstance,
>>however the forms and scenarios are traditional, even artificially
>>formal ("conceited").
>
>
> Understand formal but not conceited - I'm sure you can't mean /I'm/
> conceited - perish the thought!
>
Being primarily other people's stuff, your poultry is conceited.
Trouble is, you didn't figure out what the conceits were and used the
pretty bits because they were pretty, not because they built a
picture (conceit, i.e., "concept").
The conceit, e.g., of the Exalted Princess'r being sung
(sonnetted) to by the Lowly PO-wet (our version of Kissing Frogs into
Princes) is the primary conceit of the sonnet sequence at least since
Petrarcca, and is so much a manipulable conceit that Rostand spoofed
it under Roxanne's balcony -- using a dolt who had no idea what a
conceit /or/ a sonnet were.
Shakespeare put the /boy/ on the balcony and stood under it with
the Girrul. Berryman put the girl under /him/ (and /still/ couldn't
raise himself to his satisfaction). In one sequence, I Elevated the
Girrul with an airplane; in another, I tried to sing (elevate) the
Girrul out of Hades; in another, I buried the PO-wet at sea and sang
from his grave.
I.e., that conceit is height, and heights are relative.
Conceit, before anything else, notes the difference between what you
have to say and what you have to say it with.
If you haven't distinguished the two in other poets/pomes, you're
gonna generate a lot of blather trying to sound like them.
Central CPU
"Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
> Central CPU wrote:
>> "Sick Mind" <boro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
>>>> Sick Mind wrote:
>>>>> "Persona" <verit...@mac.com> wrote
>> For writing like Persona's to succeed I think it needs to be part of
>> a
>> larger collection of work that includes reason. "Ecclesiastes" is part
>> of
>> the larger work, the Bible. The Rolling Stones are famous for other
>> work.
>> The story of the criminal saint is probably from a Taoist (or "Daoist"
>> transliterations vary) tradition that includes reason in the whole as
>> well
>> as many stories like that one.
> No, I checked, it is Jainist.
You checked what? Not Wikipedia I hope, but I don't want to argue this
point. I suppose it could well be Jainist, but see what a small fragment of
Jainism you have! Granted it is not your intention to wholly represent
Jainism, but shouldn't you be more careful not to misrepresent them? They
were the first to make ahimsa (non-violence) a rule of life.
> It's not a criminal saint.
> It's showing the range of possibilities within all of us & that a saint
> can turn into a sinner depending on circumstances & a sinner has the
> potential to turn into a saint.
That might be the intended meaning, but was your attempt successful?
The concept of free will is fairly universal and it is usually a
"given" that individuals make choices that can have effects on their lives.
Various people, East /and/ West, believe in a sort of fatalism, but I don't
see that story bringing them out of it.
> Conversion of Saul to Paul; the money lender - Lazarus, the slave owner
> who became 'converted & wrote the lyrics "Amazing Grace"...
> It shows the importance of being vigilant about your conduct, actions,
> words & thoughts - each second we make choices which mold & shape our
> characters.
Perhaps the second half needs some work?
~~
Central CPU
Barbara's Cat
Persona <verit...@mac.com> said:
> Whereabouts do you live ? sorry if you've already said & I've
> forgotten.
Lat/Lon: 28.01N -81.96W
Elevation: 184 ft
Middle of Nowhere, i.e.,
Heart of Florida, USA.
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Persona
Why do you swear using the name of Jesus - is it supposed to be more
profane, would you feel able to use any other names, considered holy by
one of the world religions ?
I don't believe Jesus was the son of God, but I think he was certainly
a very good Jew.
Persona
According to my atlas, near Orlando I think; quite a lot of attractions
there :)
Persona
I've read a few books about the history & the Jainist religion
certainly seems to be older than the Buddhist. I read an account that
the Buddha actually was a disciple of the last Jain 'great soul - ones
who achieve Nirvana' & only started his teaching after his 'master
died. That's something Jains believe but I have never seen acknowledged
in Buddhist literature (as if they would)
I think I understand the concept of Ahimsa - Mahatma Gandhi, although
not a Jain, was heavily influenced by Jainism where he grew up in
Porbandar.
Persona
> > No, I checked, it is Jainist.
>
> You checked what? Not Wikipedia I hope, but I don't want to argue this
> point.
Not at all - in one of my own files.
If I had to google it, I would have given a link to the webpage.
Persona
You've explained that so well, I don't follow all you've written but
think I understand what you mean.
Maybe I should try writing a poem about my village.
Barbara's Cat
Persona <verit...@mac.com> said:
> According to my atlas, near Orlando I think;
> quite a lot of attractions there :)
Multitudes.
Orlando is 50+ miles from my back porch
(which I won't pinpoint; much more fun
watching the mousies play private dick.)
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Sherrie Lee
Maybe I'm a mousy, but mine's an inny.
Are you near the Bok Tower?
Funny thing. I was digging thru my old
photos last night, and some Bok Tower/
Passion Play photos were unburied.
If not, you might be an hour or two from me.
Persona
I loved Florida but the place I liked least, as a tourist, was Orlando.
Miami is a fantastic place & so are the everglades east of there.
Persona
Sick Mind wrote:
> "Nigel Clarendon" <nigel.c...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>
> > "Sick Mind" <boro...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>
> >> Bandage in the soup
> >
> > Kewl.
>
> Not you. We can say that, not you. Don't do that again. It's
> disturbing. We are all anglophiles here.
>
>
> ~~
> Sick Mind
But please reassure me, that it doesn't extend to ...Blair
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> > Persona <verit...@mac.com> said:
[ snipped for brevity ]
> > > According to my atlas, near Orlando I think;
> > > quite a lot of attractions there :)
> >
> > Multitudes.
> > Orlando is 50+ miles from my back porch
> > (which I won't pinpoint; much more fun
> > watching the mousies play private dick.)
>
> Maybe I'm a mousy,
Far from being one, IMO.
> but mine's an inny.
Have a knack for winning
body shot contests, eh?
> Are you near the Bok Tower?
It's about 30 miles from us.
I contracted with a company in Lakes Wales
for close to seven years, and had lunch
at the Carillon Café many times.
Beautiful.
I always kept a Patron Membership active
so I could hold business meetings there.
For Persona: http://www.boksanctuary.org/
> Funny thing. I was digging thru my old
> photos last night, and some Bok Tower/
> Passion Play photos were unburied.
>
> If not, you might be an hour or two from me.
Heh. In Florida with its traffic,
that could mean "across town".
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Slim Jinn
Barbara's Cat wrote:
> Sherrie Lee <sherr...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > Maybe I'm a mousy,
>
> Far from being one, IMO.
Of course not: dickless wonder.
You're a: ------ > Sewer sucking moron.
You are less than the fizz
on my root-
beer.
She's a bold, curvy woman with pussy lips
that would be too titillating to describe on Usenet...
Sherrie:
Do you guys have room for my motorhome?
Barbara's Cat
> I loved Florida but the place I liked
> least, as a tourist, was Orlando.
Orlando is a gas station toilet bowl
but when you get outside of the city,
especially north of it, it's awesome.
> Miami is a fantastic place & so are
> the everglades east of there.
What a coincidence: we went to Miami
today (actually, Medley (NW Miami)).
We got back home about two hours ago.
I went to a meeting and my co-pilot
went shopping (said something about
her credit card nearing combustion).
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Barbara's Cat
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
> squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
That's the same old squeak you squeaked yesterday, Mousy.
What? Having a problem coming up with an original squeak?
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Dennis M. Hammes
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> According to my atlas, near Orlando I think; quite a lot of attractions
> there :)
>
Two per girl, actually...
Slim Jinn
Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
> Persona wrote:
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> >
> > According to my atlas, near Orlando I think; quite a lot of attractions
> > there :)
> >
>
> Two per girl, actually...
Don't forget the Epcot Center
/It/ promises to entertain.
Dennis M. Hammes
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> Orlando is 50+ miles from my back porch
>
...which is about 40 miles from my brother.
Slick Jinn
Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
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> >
> > Orlando is 50+ miles from my back porch
> >
>
> ...which is about 40 miles from my brother.
It is a boring bother what would ride a back porch
40 miles.
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Slick Jinn
Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> >
> > Orlando is 50+ miles from my back porch
> >
>
> ...which is about 40 miles from my brother.
It is a boring bother what would ride a back porch
Dennis M. Hammes
> Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>
>>Barbara's Cat wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Orlando is 50+ miles from my back porch
>>>
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>>...which is about 40 miles from my brother.
>
>
> It is a boring bother what would ride a back porch
> 40 miles.
>
Yeh? Then why did you?
Oh, wait.
You rode your back porch over /400/ miles.
But you're right.
You're still a boring bother.
Dennis M. Hammes
> Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>
>>Barbara's Cat wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Orlando is 50+ miles from my back porch
>>>
>>
>>...which is about 40 miles from my brother.
>
>
> It is a boring bother what would ride a back porch
> 40 miles.
>
It's an even more boring bother that would poast it twice.