Realizing I might have come on too strong, just popping in out of the
ether et. all, I thought it might be useful to re-introduce myself.
My sock-puppet here is (tilde)Terran. I posted on rap and was in on
the inception of aapc (to the consternation of my fellow rappers) in
the mid to late nineties and briefly again in the 0's (as Xmasghost).
At that time both boards but esp. rap (aapc being the more dignified
anglofied offshoot) were raw vibrant virtual places for virtual poets
and artists to interact, insult and critique each other - virtually.
MCR. gatherings were common. Rap had even gained a reputation in lit.
circles beyond the net. It wasn't all Camelot but it was alive and
thriving. Most of the poets and writers of that era have moved on or
shuffled off (as in "that mortal coil"). You are our descendants.
When I happened to look in this time, I was pleased to see people
posting and critiquing poetry again, without the incessant barrage of
off-topic white noise and spam.
Two thoughts.
First, some of you need to develop thicker skins. Critics are giving
you a gift, whatever their motives, be they animus, ego, jealousy,
pettiness or spite. Learn to see them in this way and you can learn
from anyone. Give up the newbie poet belief that every jot of your
poesy is the inspired word of some higher deity. It may be, but
likely is not. Read the crits. Thank the critics. Use what you can.
Ignore the rest. Make shrines to your verse, vanity publish, paper
your bedrooms with it if you want, then look back in five or ten years
and see who was right. Oft times, it was the critics, I'm sorry to
say.
Second, give up any notion that poetry is some channeled muse. Only
Coleridge was stoned enough to believe this (though they claimed
otherwise, even the romantics penned drafts). Poetry isn't written,
it's re-written. Make it as good as it can be. Better for you to
think like Michelangelo, that the poem is there, all you have to do is
chip off the useless bits.
If you guys/gals keep this up, you might just attract some poets back
to this board to write with you and look at your work. It will make
you better and you might just learn something (a thought...)
Keep up the reformation and rap may yet rise again!
~Terran
If the Reformation had had to put up with the constant (and uneraseable)
effluvia of dung monkeys like Will, it would have ended up just being
"The Malformation" and a speed bump on the way to the Age of Ignominious
Sludge. As long as he holds any sway here at all, with his lack of
critical sensibilities, and tendency to praise any "poem" that vaguely
recalls a comic book he read in the bathroom twenty years ago, this
arena might as well be selling rocks to the moon. His muse is the winged
rock nymph on a beer bottle...
dmh
<snip>
> If you guys/gals keep this up, you might just attract some poets back
> to this board to write with you and look at your work. It will make
> you better and you might just learn something (a thought...)
>
Gee, thanks!
> Keep up the reformation and rap may yet rise again!
>
I once had an idea for a book on internet poetry
http://rikfiles.blogspot.com/2005/09/
fantasy-publishing-brief-history-of.html
... but I lack the in-depth knowledge to attempt the writing of it.
> ~Terran
>
Rik, knee deep.
--
http://www.rikweb.co.uk/poetry
... have you had your Fix of Rik today?
This *will* thing you reference has no sway here at all.
He never had any sway here at all.
He never will have any sway here at all.
Just ignore him.
Remember alphapigdog? He made a lot of noise, and was fun to chew on for a
while, but, ultimately, he had no sway here at all and eventually his
handlers put him back in his straightjacket and we never heard from him
again.
>
>Rapplings,
>
>Realizing I might have come on too strong, just popping in out of the
>ether et. all, I thought it might be useful to re-introduce myself.
>
>My sock-puppet here is (tilde)Terran. I posted on rap and was in on
>the inception of aapc (to the consternation of my fellow rappers) in
>the mid to late nineties and briefly again in the 0's (as Xmasghost).
Forgot a short stint as *I* am Spartacus
(so many aliases, so little time...)
~Terran
(snip)
Hey Rik,
I remember both you and Dale. Good to see some familliar faces - or
names, at least.
~Terran
>~Terran wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> If you guys/gals keep this up, you might just attract some poets back
>> to this board to write with you and look at your work. It will make
>> you better and you might just learn something (a thought...)
>>
>Gee, thanks!
>
>> Keep up the reformation and rap may yet rise again!
>>
>I once had an idea for a book on internet poetry
> http://rikfiles.blogspot.com/2005/09/
> fantasy-publishing-brief-history-of.html
>
>... but I lack the in-depth knowledge to attempt the writing of it.
>
>> ~Terran
>>
>Rik, knee deep.
(think you would have gotten unstuck by now ;/)
Not to disagree (and you might - in some ways - be correct) but reality
speaks for itself: this ng appears to mainly be a Dockery vanity
project, with postings of his endlessly dull adventures in some poetic
wasteland halfway up his own ass. In turn, he attracts other lowlifes
and know nothings, and skews the group's efforts at "Reformation" by
pretending to a poetic critical sensibility which he is bereft of:
giving "five stars" and "an adolescent wowee" to any one who posts the
sub-moronic material he feels most at ease with. I could ignore him (I
usually do, almost 100% of the time) and you can ignore him, but these
others (dead to language) won't, and the frequency (and worthlessness)
of his postings will both attract more poetically pointless flies to the
turd he is, and - more importantly to others - create an aesthetically
barren environment for any one who might be sensitive to such things: so
the tendency - despite our best efforts (stiff upper lip, etc.) - will
be to keep away any truly interesting creative minds, and to attract
tyhe mediocre: Will's natural ecology.
dmh
Well, I /will/ be posting my poetry, comments and everything in between
here, for as long as I'm able - just as you or anyone else is free to do.
Love it or hate it, this will not change... I promise you that.
So whine on. Or not.
--
Will Dockery factsheet
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Will_Dockery
Don't be so hard on yourself, Dale... after all, I proclaimed /you/ the best
Usenet poet recently, although it's quite true that many here would consider
your poetry ''sub-moronic''... ''not a poem'', even... heh.
Here's a bit of that praise for your ''sub-moronic'' poetry of yours, as you
call it:
> I'm not denying that you can "entertain" an
> audience with this
stuff, especially if you walk the walk and drawl the drawl to a musical
backing and sell yourself (as you do quite astutely) to the kind of folks
who still fall for Beat-
> generation posturings.
I'm well aware of the anti-Beat sediments with a few of the regulars here,
and I'm also well aware that the Beats are the main group who brought
/entertainment/ back to poetry... which was the main reason for it to exist
in the first place.
As I've written before, two poets from these newsgroups retain this
entertaiment element, while still writing superior poetry, Stuart Leichter
and Dale Houstman... although both have either vanished or stopped writing -
Houstman cascades surreal images ("sit on the street corner and paint with
words") though a stencil cutout of memory and experience, and dream
(hallucination)... he's telling something important but makes the finding
out whatever it is an interesting trip for the reader:
----
Her Lark Colony
The blue stamp
of feet each night
is a collector's item
& her red tuba abandoned
by the army you pass
upon the trench's staircase
is a collector's item.
I'll not wake you abruptly
by folding her almond-white scarf
like her almond-white voice
in this absinthe-tasting century.
The white nuns
behind white pylons.
Naked white nuns,
cake white nuns,
salt white nuns
with salt white guns.
I'll not wake you abruptly
by folding her almond-white scarf
like her almond-white voice
in this absinthe-tasting century
which is a collector's item.
dmh
----
Dale's work was better than the poetry of those you trumpet here will ever
write, since all of the work of Hammes and Evans is boring sing-song junk,
chopped-up-prose, or, in all of Hammes' current output, worthlessly racist
homophobic limerick crap.
From my review of "Her Lark Colony", a few years ago:
"...The white-on-white this thread has turned to reminds me of the paleness
of your poem "Her Lark Colony", with the vivid flashes of primary color
[red, blue, et cetera] that flash in violently and unexpectedly...
astounding mix of complexity and simplicity, and wound tight like a crystal
wristwatch. This poem always plays off like a silent black and white film
montage, with little sparks of color, like the colors on Travis Bickle's wet
windshield, and read aloud cries for a saxophone and stripped down stand up
bass..."
Stuart's poetry is more difficult to pin down /why/ it kicks ass, but it
does. What comes to mind is the legendary comment William Burroughs made to
Kerouac as JK handed him page after page of rapidfire typewriting (probably
while WB was in exile in Mexico City after accidentally killing his wife in
New Orleans in a William Tell act gone wrong, but I'd have to look it up.
BTW, there's several beautiful essays on Burroughs over at
alt.books.beatgeneration which has really revived my interest in Old Bull
Lee... including a long review of the hard to find novel "Queer", one WB
I've never had a chance to read, in fact never seen it for sale in these
parts, for probably obvious reasons): "I don't really /think/ about
[Kerouac's writing] it, I just rather /like/ it, that's all...
sniff..."
Romance in Country
Rayette's overpouting lips cooed round
I'll do anything you want if
you'll only love me Lucky for
me she can't pronounce womanizer
Rayette was working Denny's mopping floors
vacuumed mudroom floormats straightened them
took out trash and freshened up the rest rooms
we met I went there cause they featured entrees
chicken cordon bleu--French stuff
and boocoo freshly brewed coffee that
Kept me up all night watching cotton balls
between her toes at the place we shared
where she also mopped and vacuumed
scrubbed the sink and toilet rim took out
the trash plus dusted did the dishes
slung hash also complained we never talk
So I go What and she goes
You won't ever leave me will you all the time we talk
but I keep going back
they're her CDs her stereo her TV set
her beer and where I can work on the car
-Stuart Leichter
The combination of elements from both these poems could produce the perfect
poem, in my opinion.
>What you don't get is that nobody else here
What few people still here are dominated by an even smaller group dedicated
to driving away newcomers, as we know.
> /wants/ that
>kind of audience -- certainly, I don't.
What /you/ don't get is that nobody is obligated to /want/ that kind of
audience.
> and then grew out of it.
Maybe your ''grown-up'', pompous pretentions, which is the cause of your
wordy, stilted and boringly obscure poetry, no doubt, is just a phase for
/you/, and in a year or two you'll be interested in writing something
readable and interesting... or not.
Right now, your target audience of two or three doesn't even seem to
notice... although after this statement maybe they'll feel obligated.
> Perhaps the only interesting thing about
> "Will Dockery", from my point of view at least
Exactly... and there's plenty of room here for any number of
viewpoints, and styles of poetry.
Like it or not.
----
''What he sEd...''
Thanks for the intro, and I hope you'll stick with us.
Interesting to see a poster here who seems willing to relay some of the
history of Usenet poetry, and alt.arts.poetry.comments in particular...
which brings me to the www.wikinfo.org project, and the aapc entry there
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Alt.arts.poetry.comments
{{SS}}
{{Criticism}}
alt.arts.poetry.comments (known as AAPC) is a [[Usenet]] [[newsgroup]],
created on [[July 6, 1997]] by poet [[Michael Giardina]] as an alternative
to
the long-established [[rec.arts.poems]] for those who specifically sought
helpful comments on their writing. The group's heyday for on-topic
posts was approximately between [[1999]] and [[2002]],
but both [[poetry]] and comments continue to be posted.
==AAPC regulars==
*[[George Dance (politician)]]
*[[Will Dockery]]
*[[Dennis M. Hammes]]
*[[Dale M. Houstman]]
== External links ==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/topics
alt.arts.poetry.comments on Google Groups]
*[http://www.aapcsite.plus.com/ AAPC FAQ and other poetry resources written
by group regulars]
* [http://creativestudios.com/abstractpoetry.html Abstract Poetry by Michael
Giardina, the creator of Alt.arts.poetry.comments]
*[http://creativestudios.com Creative Studios Literary Magazine often
referenced by the group's core contributors]
* [http://www.rikweb.co.uk/photos/rogues-gallery.html Usenet Poets photo
gallery]
Some details on this historic time-period would be great, if you're up to
it, as well as some details on the poets involved, such as yourself, and the
mysterious Michael Giardina.
Just an idea.
> At that time both boards but esp. rap (aapc being the more dignified
> anglofied offshoot) were raw vibrant virtual places for virtual poets
> and artists to interact, insult and critique each other - virtually.
> MCR. gatherings were common. Rap had even gained a reputation in lit.
> circles beyond the net. It wasn't all Camelot but it was alive and
> thriving. Most of the poets and writers of that era have moved on or
> shuffled off (as in "that mortal coil"). You are our descendants.
>
> When I happened to look in this time, I was pleased to see people
> posting and critiquing poetry again, without the incessant barrage of
> off-topic white noise and spam.
>
> Two thoughts.
>
> First, some of you need to develop thicker skins. Critics are giving
> you a gift, whatever their motives, be they animus, ego, jealousy,
> pettiness or spite. Learn to see them in this way and you can learn
> from anyone. Give up the newbie poet belief that every jot of your
> poesy is the inspired word of some higher deity. It may be, but
> likely is not. Read the crits. Thank the critics. Use what you can.
> Ignore the rest. Make shrines to your verse, vanity publish, paper
> your bedrooms with it if you want, then look back in five or ten years
> and see who was right. Oft times, it was the critics, I'm sorry to
> say.
>
> Second, give up any notion that poetry is some channeled muse. Only
> Coleridge was stoned enough to believe this
Rimbaud says drugs et cetera are the /connection/ to the muse... and from my
experience, he has a point... heh.
--
Will Dockery factsheet:
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Will_Dockery
(though they claimed
Well, since you haven't done /anything/ here for years, if ever, of course
you have no /sway/ here, Gasfly.
Perhaps if you stopped your bitter whining and posted a poem or something...
but we all know that's not gonna happen. There's no doubt all you'll ever be
doing here is sniffing after Chuck and posting the random one-liner insult.
Meanwhile, like it or not, I'll continue to post my poetry, commentary and
related writings... while you secretly read every one, stamping your little
feet in frustration.
Yea, but what about God?
> Not to disagree (and you might - in some ways - be correct) but reality
> speaks for itself: this ng appears to mainly be a Dockery vanity
> project
If you don't like reading about Will Dockery, why are you writing
about him? Why do keep trying, as here, to turn completely unrelated
threads into threads about him?
It sounds to me like you just enjoy bitching, and that you like
writing about Will Dockery because it gives you more opportunity to
bitch.
The Revolution had to put up with the constant effluvia of Georgians
and their ineradicable ownership of everything they thought they saw,
too.
Today, we call them "Democrats," and elect them to office, where
they happily give orders to other servants, in between driving drunk
into rivers with other people's daughters, populating glory-holes in
airport latrines, marrying their boyfriends, and giving your tax
dollars to madams and their retinues.
Mr. Dockery merely wants his Fair Share of the Hole Glory, but is so
stupid he insists we "vote" for his stagger-videos rather than voting
for /him/.
(We keep telling him we already /have/ a comic-book for a President;
if he wants anything more, he'll hafta run /himself/.)
P.S.: If only poetry /did/ remind Mr. Dockery of a comic book he read
twenty years ago.
Unfortunately, it usually reminds him of a comic book he read last
week.
>
> His muse is the winged
> rock nymph on a beer bottle...
>
> dmh
P.P.S.: Whatsamatta U?
The Pauli Girls have been Muses most glorious for /decades/.
There was an old Georgian whose shit
Came out as a torrent of Writ
So Holy he ate
Every bit off his plate
As he polished the spoon with his spit.
I don't like you, either.
Hey, it's orders of magnitude better than writing about George Dance.
(Not to mention a damsight funnier.)
snore...This sort of "stuff"/empty political yodeling in a cardboard
canyon/cherry picking in an apple orchard of cod-information was old a
long time ago. for each of these "Democrats" you attribute various
"virtues" to, a "Republican" (or a Monarchist, or a Buddhist, or a
Beside-The-Pointillist, etc) could be dug up to populate another -
equally inane - rollcall of personal and public malfeasance. And even
some of your attributions don't make sense: that latrine dancer was a
Republican, and it appears Republicans are not adverse to grabbing and
regifting, if only to a different crowd of arrogants. The sooner we stop
believing in these tiny dichotomies/don't give a fig leaves (which cover
nary an acre of what actually constitutes the spectrum of social
experiments) the sooner we might actually trip over solutions.
dmh
Hey, it jerked /your/ chain, dinnit?
"A poet must write to his audience," or some such crap...
> George "They Provoked Me and I'm Pissed" Dance quacked:
> Why are you bitching about what Dale posts, Hypocrite?
That's just George's way of NOT getting involved.
--
Cm~
"I resolved to ignore all that, to not get involved
in any feuds unless one side drew me in,
and to stay on good terms with everyone except those
who provoked me into a fight."
- George Dance crying and lying to Karla
Well, George is a pretty notable figure, though -
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance_%28politician%29
{{SS}}
{{Criticism}}
'''George Dance''' is a [[politician]] and political activist in
[[Ontario]], [[Canada]]. He has been a member of the [[Libertarian Party of
Canada]] and the [[Ontario Libertarian Party]] since the mid-1970s, and has
served as interim leader of both parties.
Dance listed his occupation as stock clerk, layout artist, freelance
typesetter and office manager on various occasions between 1979 and 1993.
He has long published ''The Bulletin'', the Ontario Libertarian Party's
newsletter.
Like many others in his party, Dance has called for increased privatization
and is an opponent of unionization. He is an opponent of [[anarchism]], and
describes himself as a "proper-government libertarian" (i.e., supporting a
government and recognizes and respects individual liberties). Dance is also
an opponent of restrictions on public smoking.
Dance became leader of the Libertarian Party in 1991, after former leader
[[Stanislaw Tyminski]] left Canada to form [[Party X]] in [[Poland]]. He
held this position until May 1993, when [[Hilliard Cox]] was chosen to
replace him. Dance also served as interim leader of the federal party from
1995 to 1996. Note. [[Liberatarian]]s are different from [[Liberal]]s though
the name is similar.
Dance has served on the executive of the Ontario Libertarian Party since
1985, and is currently its chairman. He became the party's leader following
the resignation of [[John Shadbolt]] on [[June 9]], [[1995]], and held the
position until [[Sam Apelbaum]] was selected at a delegated convention in
late 1996. As party leader, Dance contested a 1996 by-election in [[York
South]].
In 1992, Dance indicated that his party might seek an electoral alliance
with the [[Freedom Party of Ontario]]. The Freedom Party soon rejected this
suggestion.
==Electoral record==
*[[Ontario general election, 1975]], [[Wilson Heights (electoral
district)|Wilson Heights]], 366 votes (winner: [[Vern Singer]], [[Ontario
Liberal Party|Liberal]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1979]], [[Davenport (electoral
district)|Davenport]], 156 votes (winner: [[Charles Caccia]], [[Liberal
Party of Canada|Liberal]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1980]], [[York South-Weston]], 299 votes
(winner: [[Ursula Appollini]], [[Liberal Party of Canada|Liberal]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1984]], [[York-Scarborough]], 1,067 votes
(winner: [[W. Paul McCrossan]], [[Progressive Conservative Party of
Canada|Progressive Conservative]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1985]], [[Scarborough-Ellesmere]], 348 votes
(winner: [[David William Warner]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New
Democratic Party]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1987]], [[Scarborough Southwest]], 485 votes
(winner: [[Richard Johnston]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New Democratic
Party]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1988]], [[Brampton (electoral
district)|Brampton]], 593 votes (winner: [[John McDermid]], [[Progressive
Conservative Party of Canada|Progressive Conservative]]
*federal [[by-election]], [[July 13]], [[1990]], [[Oshawa (electoral
district)|Oshawa]], 117 votes (winner: [[Michael Breaugh]], [[New Democratic
Party]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1990]], [[Scarborough West]], 401 votes
(winner: [[Anne Swarbrick]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New Democratic
Party]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1993]], [[Scarborough Centre]], 153 votes
(winner: [[John Cannis]], [[Liberal Party of Canada|Liberal]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1995]], [[Scarborough West]], 214 votes
(winner: [[Jim Brown (Ontario politician)|Jim Brown]], [[Progressive
Conservative Party of Ontario|Progressive Conservative]])
*provincial [[by-election]], [[May 23]], [[1996]], [[York South]], 77 votes
(winner: [[Gerard Kennedy]], [[Ontario Liberal Party|Liberal]])
*[[Ontario general election, 2007]], [[Scarborough Southwest]], 296 votes
(winner: [[Lorenzo Berardinetti]], [[Ontario Liberal Party|Liberal Party]])
==External Links==
*[http://www.nolanchart.com/author383.html Ron Paul and his rEVOLution
(Nolan chart column)]
*[http://www.mega.bz/word/poet.mgi?poet=George%20Dance Poetry of George
Dance]
*[http://www.libertarian.on.ca/bulletin/index.htm Libertarian Bulletin
columns]
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--
Truck Stop Woman [video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXA4jekz_xk
Guitar/vocals: Henry Conley
Vocal lyricist: Will Dockery
Guest flautist: Gene Woolfolk, Jr.
Live @ Pat's Place Americus, Ga
Yet it seems you and two (so far) of your fellow kooks can't resist
doing that, either.
> (Not to mention a damsight funnier.)
Too bad that the writing that rap was set up for - "the posting of
poems" - is beyond the capacities of all three of you.
Thanks for the link, Will. I've never heard of wikinfo before. Is it
new?
But "notable"? Me? I'm nowhere near as notable, even in Libertarian
circles, as your fellow Georgian who's currently running for
President. (And I don't mean Ms McKinney, either.)
But thanks for the plug. Some of the readers who use the "Poetry of
George Dance" link might appreciate it too.
> *[http://www.nolanchart.com/author383.htmlRon Paul and his rEVOLution
> (Nolan chart column)]
> *[http://www.mega.bz/word/poet.mgi?poet=George%20DancePoetry of George
> Dance]
> *[http://www.libertarian.on.ca/bulletin/index.htmLibertarian Bulletin
Good post, and good ideals; but I'm afraid that, if you think that
either rap or aapc to return to their glory days, you're engaging in
wishful thinking. I've posted poetry here since March of 07, but I
really don't have much of an urge to at present. My problem, perhaps,
is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
"Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
> Good post, and good ideals;
Yes, it was, and they are.
> but I'm afraid that, if you think that
> either rap or aapc to return to their glory days, you're engaging in
> wishful thinking. I've posted poetry here since March of 07, but I
> really don't have much of an urge to at present.
Translation: "I have an over-inflated opinion of the merits of my
writings, which isn't shared by the regulars of RAP and AAPC.
Therefore, I prefer to exhibit the gigantic chip on my shoulder."
> My problem, perhaps,
> is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
> found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
> "Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the Message-IDs of the
critiques you've received along those lines, or were they posted only
in a parallel universe known as GeorgeWorld?
--
PJR :-)
> George "Tears 'R' Us" Dance quacked:
>
> > Good post, and good ideals;
>
> Yes, it was, and they are.
>
> > but I'm afraid that, if you think that
> > either rap or aapc to return to their glory days, you're engaging in
> > wishful thinking. I've posted poetry here since March of 07, but I
> > really don't have much of an urge to at present.
>
> Translation: "I have an over-inflated opinion of the merits of my
> writings, which isn't shared by the regulars of RAP and AAPC.
> Therefore, I prefer to exhibit the gigantic chip on my shoulder."
>
> > My problem, perhaps,
> > is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
> > found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
> > "Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
>
> Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the Message-IDs of the
> critiques you've received along those lines, or were they posted only
> in a parallel universe known as GeorgeWorld?
MID: <fd12d9e9-0549-4f89...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
"Yes, Gary. And my mother sucks Will Dockery's cock, too."
- George Dance, 27 Dec 2007
As always, Mr Ross, I'm here to help.
--
Cm~
"When certain people continually claim
things that are not true, they end up
not being believed."
- George Dance as Stuart Smalley
Yeah, last time I looked [but didn't drink], they'd changed the model to a
/modernized/ Saint Pauli Girl.
Original -
http://www.soaresantiques.com/images/beer%20bottles/8376a.jpg
New version -
http://www.urbandalejaycees.org/Images%5Cst%20pauli%20girl.jpg
Twenty tears ago I was /making/ most of the comic books I read, but there
/was/ some good stuff coming out back then, anything by Alan Moore, the
Hernandez brothers, Dan Clowes, Frank Miller, Will Eisner... the list could
get pretty long.
But you knew that, I suspect.
Oh, don't be so hard on yourself, Pete. Many of the "regulars" love
your stuff.
> > My problem, perhaps,
> > is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
> > found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
> > "Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
>
> Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the Message-IDs of the
> critiques you've received along those lines,
Oh, I might at some date, if there's a reason to.
> or were they posted only
> in a parallel universe known as GeorgeWorld?
>
No.
Relatively new, just now picking up speed as an alternative to Wikipedia,
with a policy of whatever WP is not, they are... including a much wider
range for information, and more obscure stuff deleted by WP for ''lack of
notability''.
Hope you'll join up and add to the database.
> But "notable"? Me? I'm nowhere near as notable, even in Libertarian
> circles, as your fellow Georgian who's currently running for
> President. (And I don't mean Ms McKinney, either.)
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Bob_Barr
Well, sure, but again, that's one of the purposes of Wikinfo, a wider range
of ''notability''...
> But thanks for the plug. Some of the readers who use the "Poetry of
> George Dance" link might appreciate it too.
If you could add age data, and perhaps a photograph, it would improve the
entry... also, I assume the facts are correct. Being a Wiki, you can easily
fix anything that needs to be.
--
Will Dockery factsheet:
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Will_Dockery
> > {{SS}}
Pretty much any post by your old pal Dennis M. Hammes will provide you with
an example of ''critique'' along those lines.
But you already knew that.
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> > Peter J Ross wrote:
> >
> >> George "Tears 'R' Us" Dance quacked:
> >>
> >> > Good post, and good ideals;
> >>
> >> Yes, it was, and they are.
> >>
> >> > but I'm afraid that, if you think that either rap or aapc to return to
> >> > their glory days, you're engaging in wishful thinking. I've posted
> >> > poetry here since March of 07, but I really don't have much of an urge
> >> > to at present.
> >>
> >> Translation: "I have an over-inflated opinion of the merits of my
> >> writings, which isn't shared by the regulars of RAP and AAPC. Therefore,
> >> I prefer to exhibit the gigantic chip on my shoulder."
> >>
> >> > My problem, perhaps,
> >> > is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
> >> > found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
> >> > "Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
> >>
> >> Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the Message-IDs of the
> >> critiques you've received along those lines, or were they posted only in
> >> a parallel universe known as GeorgeWorld?
> >
> >
> > MID: <fd12d9e9-0549-4f89...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
> >
> > "Yes, Gary. And my mother sucks Will Dockery's cock, too."
> > - George Dance, 27 Dec 2007
> >
> >
> > As always, Mr Ross, I'm here to help.
>
>
> Oooops, busted heh.
Yes, it turns out George was quoting no one's words except his own.
Funny how those of the Anatidae clan believe others have no memory.
--
Cm~
"I have no interest in trolling newgroups."
- George Dance, UseNet Saint
I never read a comic book as sub-moronic as this... though I expect Dale
Houstman to heap praise on it...
Now, now, lying kook, your cite doesn't show that. All it shows is
that I've mentioned that particular "criticism" before, to another
wannabe critic who was making up other shit.
(It's also dishonest for you to claim that I was "quoting", when I
made it clear that I wasn't; but of course that's just icing on the
cake.)
> Funny how those of the Anatidae clan believe others have no memory.
>
The problem isn't that you have no memory, but that you can't
distinguish between your memories and your fantasies.
> lying kook
MID: fd12d9e9-0549-4f89...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com
"Yes, Gary. And my mother sucks Will Dockery's cock, too."
- George Dance, 27 Dec 2007
So, you're dreaming everyone will believe you didn't say what
the Archives clearly show you did say? HAH! Dream on, goober.
--
Cm~
"you're lying"
- The Duck Defense
No, lying kook, I'm pointing out that you lied yet again when you
claimed:
"George was quoting no one's words except his own."
<MPG.22d19851a...@news.motzarella.org>
Since you snipped that and are now pretending you didn't write that,
and Pete will no doubt back you up by playing his
"If you don't post the message ID, you made it up" game again, I
included the ID.
HAH! Dream on, goober.
>
> --
> Cm~
>
> "you're lying"
> - The Duck Defense
Oh, so stating facts is "The Duck Defense"? No wonder you never state
any.
> snipped
Truth hurts when it sodomizes your ass, eh, goober?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Schnuller.JPG
--
Cm~
> On Jun 29, 4:33 am, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In rec.arts.poems on Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:28:23 -0700 (PDT), George
>>
>> Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> > Good post, and good ideals;
>>
>> Yes, it was, and they are.
>>
>> > but I'm afraid that, if you think that
>> > either rap or aapc to return to their glory days, you're engaging in
>> > wishful thinking. I've posted poetry here since March of 07, but I
>> > really don't have much of an urge to at present.
>>
>> "I have an over-inflated opinion of the merits of my
>> writings, which isn't shared by the regulars of RAP and AAPC.
>> Therefore, I prefer to exhibit the gigantic chip on my shoulder."
>
> Oh, don't be so hard on yourself, Pete. Many of the "regulars" love
> your stuff.
Post-editing so early, Georgie? I was hoping you'd try something less
pathetic first.
>> > My problem, perhaps,
>> > is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
>> > found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
>> > "Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
>>
>> Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the Message-IDs of the
>> critiques you've received along those lines,
>
> Oh, I might at some date, if there's a reason to.
Translation: "There are no such messages. I was lying."
>> or were they posted only
>> in a parallel universe known as GeorgeWorld?
>
> No.
And yet, outside GeorgeWorld the Message-IDs to support your lies
don't seem to exist.
> "Peter J Ross" wrote...
>> In rec.arts.poems on Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:28:23 -0700 (PDT), George Dance
> wrote:
>>
>> > My problem, perhaps,
>> > is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
>> > found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
>> > "Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
>>
>> Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the Message-IDs of the
>> critiques you've received along those lines
>
> Pretty much any post by your old pal Dennis M. Hammes will provide you with
> an example of ''critique'' along those lines.
Perhaps you have the Message-IDs that Georgie is unable to provide,
Dreckery?
Poor little Amanda's down to reposting the same scatalogical-homophobic
limerick over and over... pathetic and boring.
And, as was proven months ago, Pete Ross is a hypocritical liar who supports
and defends theft, copyright abuse and plagiarism... which can easily be
reposted here for any newcomers with an interest in this.
<unsnipped>
No, lying kook, I'm pointing out that you lied yet again when you
claimed:
"George was quoting no one's words except his own."
<MPG.22d19851aaf4c5b6989...@news.motzarella.org>
Since you snipped that and are now pretending you didn't write that,
and Pete will no doubt back you up by playing his
"If you don't post the message ID, you made it up" game again, I
included the ID.
HAH! Dream on, goober.
> --
> Cm~
> "you're lying"
> - The Duck Defense
Oh, so stating facts is "The Duck Defense"? No wonder you never state
any. </us>
> Truth hurts when it sodomizes your ass, eh, goober?
>
You must think so, considering how you keep trying to run away from
it.
Hey, kook, you try to put words into my mouth, and I'll put them back
into yours. That's only fair.
> >> > My problem, perhaps,
> >> > is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
> >> > found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
> >> > "Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
>
> >> Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the Message-IDs of the
> >> critiques you've received along those lines,
>
> > Oh, I might at some date, if there's a reason to.
>
"There are no such messages. I was lying."
>
You're confused. You haven't claimed that there were any messages or
not, so you can't be lyng about that.
> >> or were they posted only
> >> in a parallel universe known as GeorgeWorld?
>
> > No.
>
> And yet, outside GeorgeWorld the Message-IDs to support your lies
> don't seem to exist.
Duh! Since I haven't told any lies, of course "lMessage-IDs to support
'[my] lies wouldn't exist. Basic logic.
Not to mention the fact that Barbie hasn't managed to write a poem -of any
kind- in over four years.
When she went away for a couple of months, many of us had hoped she'd return
with something to offer... obviously we won't be seeing anything like that
from her.
> snipped
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Schnuller.JPG
--
Cm~
"If you want to keep it going for years, asshole,
I don't see what other choice I have."
- George Dance, regarding his NOT responding
Now, don't make up shit, Pete. I never said I was unable to provide
any message-IDs to anyone.
That you haven't posted anything but Dinkish trollposts in over four
years, Barbie?
We know.
--
Truck Stop Woman by Dockery-Conley
<unsnipped>
On Jun 29, 5:03 pm, Barbara's Cat <c...@XSPAMscientist.com> wrote:
> George "Making Up Other Shit" Dance quacked:
> > lying kook
> MID: fd12d9e9-0549-4f89-a241-e2475a075...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com
> "Yes, Gary. And my mother sucks Will Dockery's cock, too."
> - George Dance, 27 Dec 2007
> So, you're dreaming everyone will believe you didn't say what
> the Archives clearly show you did say?
No, lying kook, I'm pointing out that you lied yet again when you
claimed:
"George was quoting no one's words except his own."
<MPG.22d19851aaf4c5b6989...@news.motzarella.org>
Since you snipped that and are now pretending you didn't write that,
and Pete will no doubt back you up by playing his
"If you don't post the message ID, you made it up" game again, I
included the ID.
HAH! Dream on, goober.
> --
> Cm~
> "you're lying"
> - The Duck Defense
Oh, so stating facts is "The Duck Defense"? No wonder you never state
any. </us>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Schnuller.JPG
>
> --
> Cm~
>
> "If you want to keep it going for years, asshole,
> I don't see what other choice I have."
> - George Dance
Think about it.
> "George Dance" wrote:
>>
>> No, lying kook, I'm pointing out that you lied yet again when you
>> claimed:
>>
>> "George was quoting no one's words except his own."
>> <MPG.22d19851a...@news.motzarella.org>
>>
>> Since you snipped that and are now pretending you didn't write that,
>> and Pete will no doubt back you up by playing his
>> "If you don't post the message ID, you made it up" game again, I
>> included the ID.
>
> And, as was proven months ago,
"What I tell you three times is true" - Will Dreckery
> Pete Ross is a hypocritical liar who supports
> and defends theft, copyright abuse and plagiarism...
Don't forget "cruelty to defenceless little fluffy kittens".
> which can easily be
> reposted here for any newcomers with an interest in this.
Dance, Dreckery, dance.
> On Jun 29, 6:43 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In rec.arts.poems on Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT), George
>>
>>
>>
>> Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> > On Jun 29, 4:33 am, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> >> In rec.arts.poems on Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:28:23 -0700 (PDT), George
>>
>> >> Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> >> > Good post, and good ideals;
>>
>> >> Yes, it was, and they are.
>>
>> >> > but I'm afraid that, if you think that
>> >> > either rap or aapc to return to their glory days, you're engaging in
>> >> > wishful thinking. I've posted poetry here since March of 07, but I
>> >> > really don't have much of an urge to at present.
>>
>> >> "I have an over-inflated opinion of the merits of my
>> >> writings, which isn't shared by the regulars of RAP and AAPC.
>> >> Therefore, I prefer to exhibit the gigantic chip on my shoulder."
>>
>> > Oh, don't be so hard on yourself, Pete. Many of the "regulars" love
>> > your stuff.
>>
>> Post-editing so early, Georgie? I was hoping you'd try something less
>> pathetic first.
>>
>
> Hey, kook, you try to put words into my mouth, and I'll put them back
> into yours. That's only fair.
You don't seem to understand the concept of "translation". Perhaps I
should write my translations in Iambic Pentameter, the One True Verse
Form?
>> >> > My problem, perhaps,
>> >> > is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
>> >> > found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
>> >> > "Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
>>
>> >> Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the Message-IDs of the
>> >> critiques you've received along those lines,
>>
>> > Oh, I might at some date, if there's a reason to.
>>
> "There are no such messages. I was lying."
>
> You're confused. You haven't claimed that there were any messages or
> not, so you can't be lyng about that.
Hint: when post-editing, removing the quotation marks might make the
lie less transparent.
>> >> or were they posted only
>> >> in a parallel universe known as GeorgeWorld?
>>
>> > No.
>>
>> And yet, outside GeorgeWorld the Message-IDs to support your lies
>> don't seem to exist.
>
> Duh! Since I haven't told any lies, of course "lMessage-IDs to support
> '[my] lies wouldn't exist. Basic logic.
Please write some more about your concept of logic. That's always
entertaining.
> I never said I was unable to provide any message-IDs to anyone.
No, you didn't. But why not tell the truth?
In rec.arts.poems on Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:14:32 -0700 (PDT), George
Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> No, lying kook, I'm pointing out that you lied yet again when you
> claimed:
>
> "George was quoting no one's words except his own."
> <MPG.22d19851aaf4c5b6989...@news.motzarella.org>
"Article <MPG.22d19851aaf4c5b6989...@news.motzarella.org> not
available."
> Since you snipped that and are now pretending you didn't write that,
> and Pete will no doubt back you up by playing his
> "If you don't post the message ID, you made it up" game again, I
> included the ID.
Perhaps you should learn what a Message-ID is before you try to post
one again.
Hint: I think you were looking for this one.
<MPG.22d19851a...@news.motzarella.org>
You really musta been drunk (again? still?).
There've been near a dozen Pauli Girls on the label over the years,
some drawn, some photographed.
And maybe a hundred different in various ads, mag, billboard, and
video.
It's a plum account. The pay's better'n good, and they never hafta
dream up lines for frogs.
The muggles lick their elbows and
The muggles lick their eyes;
They'll lick your gland upon the strand,
But they won't lick George's lies.
The muggles lick your vomit, poop,
And Taco Bell Surprise;
They'll lick the goop from where you droop,
But they won't lick George's lies.
The muggles lick the toilet, sink,
And undersides of flies;
They'll lick the stink right off the Dink,
But they won't lick George's lies.
What makes a muggle quite so grand?
There's nothing they despise --
Who could have planned they take this stand?
They won't lick George's lies!
Gee. It still works.
bull' dyke' n.Am.
1. a pussy who'll have a *feeling* at you if you don't pretend it's
a man.
a. Often confuted with "butch," a dominant female homosexual.
b. Neither male nor female but merely belligerent juvenile, the
bull dyke, or "bully," is homosexual (same definition and psychology)
with the "amazon," a bull dyke for whom one must pretend it doesn't
have tits. The more-common malformed... ah, "male"-formed bull dyke
requires one to pretend that it has balls.
puss'-y n.Am, dim.dec.f. "puss," n.Am, that thing under your nose.
1. a "little puss," a pout.
I don't know about that, but the fact that you're a hypocritical liar
who supports and defends theft, copyright abuse and plagiarism is
archived, and, as promised, I'm here to remind you of these facts.
> > which can easily be
> > reposted here for any newcomers with an interest in this.
>
> Dance
No, this was all years before Dance began posting here.
Where...?
Still more "holy posts" you can't produce in evidence, eh, Quack?
Here, have one on the house.
(O, Dear Me, it isn't a limerick.)
The Duck will lick your asshole and
The Duck will lick your limp;
He'll ampersand around your gland
To stiffen every crimp.
A "berry" in your foreskin glows
Pure nectar for the Duck;
His tongue but knows more tricks for those
So desperate to fuck.
He'll lick your latest poem, wait
To lick your next critique,
And stoop to bait you Laureate
For dancing "cheek to cheek."
He'll follow you through any thread,
No matter theme or host,
To lick your head if you have read
His 13,476th poast.
He doesn't have a language and
He doesn't have a job;
He has a "band," and lyrics planned
To cause you blow your gob,
Which he will wait with mouth agape
To swallow your largess:
You can't escape his daily rape
(Nor spots on his blue dress).
Love does not motivate our Duck,
He isn't a cum-hog,
But he will suck 'til Shakers fuck
To prove you are a frog.
>
> Not to mention the fact that I haven't managed to write a poem -of any
> kind- in over four years.
>
We know.
The same limerick garbage for at least a couple of years now.
>
> I don't know about that, but the fact that I'm a hypocritical liar
> who supports and defends theft, copyright abuse and plagiarism is
> archived, and, as promised, I'm here to remind you of these facts.
>
Gee, Princess, I thot you were here to prove he's a frog by kissing it
every time his mouth flies open..
You must be so senile you're losing your memory, Amanda, since you've
been informed at least twice I stopped drinking in January.
I bet you lisp when you say that to your mirror, Amanda.
> I don't know about that,
I'll add it to the 500GB list of things you know nothing about.
> but the fact that I'm a hypocritical liar who supports, defends and
> perpetrates theft, copyright abuse and plagiarism is archived, and,
> as promised, you're here to remind me of these facts, as many would
> agree.
I fixed your typos.
An example of a recording plagiarised by Will Dreckery from Mr Michael
Cook: <http://www.lulu.com/content/32109>
> snipped
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Schnuller.JPG
--
Cm~
"And my mother sucks Will Dockery's cock, too."
I fixed your typos.
Thanks for proving my point that you're a hypocritical liar who
supports, defends and perpetrates theft, copyright abuse and
plagiarism.
>> An example of a recording written by Will Dockery
False.
>> which Mr Michael Cook stole
False.
>> and used without credit to Dockery,
False.
>> making his theft plagiarism:
False.
>> <http://www.lulu.com/content/32109>
Stolen from your master Mr Cook.
'Added music would be great, Michael!'
Message-ID: <3fe77...@news2.knology.net>
'have you added music to the Mp3, yet?'
Message-ID: <3fe79e6b$1...@news1.knology.net>
'I think it's kind of fun to go into the Google archives with
*another* "Collaboration with Michael Cook...'
Message-ID: <3fe7842b$1...@news2.knology.net>
Unlike you, the Google archives don't habitually lie.
>> An example of a recording written by Will Dockery
False.
>> which Mr Michael Cook stole
False.
>> and used without credit to Dockery,
False.
>> making his theft plagiarism:
False.
>> <http://www.lulu.com/content/32109>
Stolen from your master Mr Cook.
'Added music would be great, Michael!'
Message-ID: <3fe77...@news2.knology.net>
'have you added music to the Mp3, yet?'
Message-ID: <3fe79e6b$1...@news1.knology.net>
'I think it's kind of fun to go into the Google archives with
*another* "Collaboration with Michael Cook...'
Message-ID: <3fe7842b$1...@news2.knology.net>
Unlike you, the Google archives don't habitually lie.
You're a liar, the poem is ''Karma Bombs'', written by me... which
means that I own all rights to the use of it. Lie all you want, but it
won't change this fact, or the fact that Cook stole the poem from me,
Pete.
And here you are proving the fact that you're a lying hypocrite who
supports and defends poetry theft, copyright abuse and plagiarism,
Pete.
> <http://www.lulu.com/content/32109>
Thanks for the plug, Pete.
Since at least 2 of them have been the only ones posting any poetry
recently, your absence clearly hasn't been spent in trying to have your
reading make sense.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
When I see a swine
I reach for 45-calibre pearls.
--
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plagiarism, gives advice on how to properly lie and post-edit on
Usenet.
--
Will Dockery factsheet:
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Will_Dockery
No, you're wrong, Meat.
The poem ''Karma Bombs'' was written by me years before Cook stole it,
and as the writer of the poem under copyright law I own all rights to
the use of it. Cook used the poem without my permission, making it
theft and copyright abuse, and when he posted it onto his website
without credit to me, he took it into plagiarism.
Poor thing.
"The" antichrist is "St." Paul (look it up).
Poor George really believes he's a politician.
All he knows how to say is what he said he didn't say about what you
think he said about what he didn't think about what you didn't say
about what you didn't think he didn't say.
When, of course, any reference to The Record will Prove he didn't
say what you think he said about what he didn't say when he said it.
Unless, of course, he was talking about what he didn't say about
what you didn't say about what he didn't think you said when you
didn't say it.
<unsnip>
Poor thing, it wasn't a limerick at all, now, was it.
Duck, /everybody/ stopped drinking gasoline in January.
(In January, booze was finally cheaper.)
Turns out he really is, Amanda -
http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/George_Dance_%28politician%29
{{SS}}
{{Criticism}}
'''George Dance''' is a [[politician]] and political activist in
[[Ontario]], [[Canada]]. He has been a member of the [[Libertarian
Party of Canada]] and the [[Ontario Libertarian Party]] since the
mid-1970s, and has served as interim leader of both parties.
Dance listed his occupation as stock clerk, layout artist, freelance
typesetter and office manager on various occasions between 1979 and
1993. He has long published ''The Bulletin'', the Ontario Libertarian
Party's newsletter.
Like many others in his party, Dance has called for increased
privatization and is an opponent of unionization. He is an opponent
of [[anarchism]], and describes himself as a "proper-government
libertarian" (i.e., supporting a government and recognizes and
respects individual liberties). Dance is also an opponent of
restrictions on public smoking.
Dance became leader of the Libertarian Party in 1991, after former
leader [[Stanislaw Tyminski]] left Canada to form [[Party X]] in
[[Poland]]. He held this position until May 1993, when [[Hilliard
Cox]] was chosen to replace him. Dance also served as interim leader
of the federal party from 1995 to 1996. Note. [[Liberatarian]]s are
different from [[Liberal]]s though the name is similar.
Dance has served on the executive of the Ontario Libertarian Party
since 1985, and is currently its chairman. He became the party's
leader following the resignation of [[John Shadbolt]] on [[June 9]],
[[1995]], and held the position until [[Sam Apelbaum]] was selected at
a delegated convention in late 1996. As party leader, Dance contested
a 1996 by-election in [[York South]].
In 1992, Dance indicated that his party might seek an electoral
alliance with the [[Freedom Party of Ontario]]. The Freedom Party
soon rejected this suggestion.
==Electoral record==
*[[Ontario general election, 1975]], [[Wilson Heights (electoral
district)|Wilson Heights]], 366 votes (winner: [[Vern Singer]],
[[Ontario Liberal Party|Liberal]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1979]], [[Davenport (electoral district)|
Davenport]], 156 votes (winner: [[Charles Caccia]], [[Liberal Party of
Canada|Liberal]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1980]], [[York South—Weston]], 299 votes
(winner: [[Ursula Appollini]], [[Liberal Party of Canada|Liberal]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1984]], [[York—Scarborough]], 1,067
votes (winner: [[W. Paul McCrossan]], [[Progressive Conservative Party
of Canada|Progressive Conservative]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1985]], [[Scarborough—Ellesmere]], 348
votes (winner: [[David William Warner]], [[Ontario New Democratic
Party|New Democratic Party]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1987]], [[Scarborough Southwest]], 485
votes (winner: [[Richard Johnston]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|
New Democratic Party]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1988]], [[Brampton (electoral district)|
Brampton]], 593 votes (winner: [[John McDermid]], [[Progressive
Conservative Party of Canada|Progressive Conservative]]
*federal [[by-election]], [[July 13]], [[1990]], [[Oshawa (electoral
district)|Oshawa]], 117 votes (winner: [[Michael Breaugh]], [[New
Democratic Party]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1990]], [[Scarborough West]], 401 votes
(winner: [[Anne Swarbrick]], [[Ontario New Democratic Party|New
Democratic Party]])
*[[Canadian federal election, 1993]], [[Scarborough Centre]], 153
votes (winner: [[John Cannis]], [[Liberal Party of Canada|Liberal]])
*[[Ontario general election, 1995]], [[Scarborough West]], 214 votes
(winner: [[Jim Brown (Ontario politician)|Jim Brown]], [[Progressive
Conservative Party of Ontario|Progressive Conservative]])
*provincial [[by-election]], [[May 23]], [[1996]], [[York South]], 77
votes (winner: [[Gerard Kennedy]], [[Ontario Liberal Party|Liberal]])
*[[Ontario general election, 2007]], [[Scarborough Southwest]], 296
votes (winner: [[Lorenzo Berardinetti]], [[Ontario Liberal Party|
Liberal Party]])
==External Links==
*[http://www.nolanchart.com/author383.html Ron Paul and his rEVOLution
(Nolan chart column)]
*[http://www.mega.bz/word/poet.mgi?poet=George%20Dance Poetry of
George Dance]
*[http://www.libertarian.on.ca/bulletin/index.htm Libertarian Bulletin
columns]
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Thanks for the offer, Amanda, but no thanks.
And thanks for proving my point... you really /are/ pathetic and
boring, poor little Amanda.
> Peter J Ross [...] gives advice on how to properly lie and post-edit
> on Usenet.
... and Will Dreckery prints it out for future reference.
It is in Duckrish
But then anything IS in Duckrish. It avoids all that troublesome
learning.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
...and for some reason you snipped the most interesting facts from the
post -
Peter J Ross, defender of poetry theft, copyright abuse and
plagiarism, gives advice on how to properly lie and post-edit on
Usenet.
--
//slap//
The same ''scatalogical-homophobic'' garbage, yes, Mushmouth.
Oh, I think I understand your concept of "translation." Let me take a
stab at it:
> Perhaps I
> should write my translations in Iambic Pentameter, the One True Verse
> Form?
>
Translation:"George hurt my feelings when he criticized my meter, but
I'll make him pay."
> >> >> > My problem, perhaps,
> >> >> > is that I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
> >> >> > found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
> >> >> > "Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly helpful.
>
> >> >> Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the Message-IDs of the
> >> >> critiques you've received along those lines,
>
> >> > Oh, I might at some date, if there's a reason to.
>
> > "There are no such messages. I was lying."
>
> > You're confused. You haven't claimed that there were any messages or
> > not, so you can't be lyng about that.
>
> Hint: when post-editing, removing the quotation marks might make the
> lie less transparent.
>
Translation: "Hmm, I accused George of lying and he didn't get mad.
Let me try something else."
> >> >> or were they posted only
> >> >> in a parallel universe known as GeorgeWorld?
>
> >> > No.
>
> >> And yet, outside GeorgeWorld the Message-IDs to support your lies
> >> don't seem to exist.
>
> > Duh! Since I haven't told any lies, of course "lMessage-IDs to support
> > '[my] lies wouldn't exist. Basic logic.
>
> Please write some more about your concept of logic. That's always
> entertaining.
>
Translation: "George is right. I'd better try to change the subject."
>
> Not to mention the fact that I haven't managed to write a poem -of any
> kind- in over four years.
>
OTC, you've managed to write quite a lot of fiction - which you insist
is the same thing as poetry, remember?
Actually, the way I'd put to you (and your three little pigs) is: "You
constantly lie, misrepresent, and make up shit just for fun" -- but
you've got the gist of it (I think).
Poor Duck.
I'm not homophobic.
I just don't like /you/.
Don't go blaming your kind for your personal shortcomings.
As for "scatological," to write any poem (or post) about Dockery is
necessarily to write about shit.
"...And if people sit down who must write about brown,
What can anyone do?"
Tsk. I believe it was you who insisted poetry was fiction, though it
might have been Rick or Rob, but they were only trying to get a rise
out of the Duck, who insists it's autobiography.
I've maintained for 40 years (q.v.) that poetry is little more than
good reportage.
(But what a difference that "little" makes, eh?)
Actually, your own method is a whole lot simpler.
You have no acquaintance with the truth, so nobody can "convince"
you that you lie.
(Don't let it go to your head; /all/ two-year-olds know that old
Trick, 99, though most of 'em can't howl about it nearly as long as
you do -- you've had /political/ training.)
Right, like making your many statements like ''the only good nigger is
a dead nigger'' doesn't make you a racist.
Your homophobia seems to be tied in with your /self hatred/ and fear
of your own obvious latent homesexuality.
> I just don't like /you/.
Ah, so you portray me as a homosexual... which means that depicting me
in homosexual acts is intended as an insult, thus you're homophobic,
since you consider these acts to be a ''bad thing''.
Thanks for proving my point, Amanda.
<kookspew snipped>
Summary of discussion so far:
1. George makes a claim.
2. George is asked to post evidence to support his claim.
3. George tries to distract attention from his inability to post
evidence by babbling, (f)laming and post-editing.
4. Everybody laughs at George, as usual.
5. George becomes so angry that he makes blank posts.
Interesting spin. Now let`s compare it with what was actually said:
> 1. George makes a claim.
>
George (to ~Terran): ``
I don't see the criticism one gets here (most of which I've
found to be along the lines of "You eat shit," "You're a pedophile,"
"Your mother sucks Dockery's cock," etc., to be particularly
helpful.``
> 2. George is asked to post evidence to support his claim.
Peter (trolling): ``Just to start the fun: Will you be providing the
Message-IDs of the
critiques you've received along those lines, or were they posted only
in a parallel universe known as GeorgeWorld?``
> 3. George tries to distract attention from his inability to post
> evidence by babbling, (f)laming and post-editing.
>
George (refusing to take the bait): ``I might at some date, if there's
a reason to.``
> 4. Everybody laughs at George, as usual.
>
Peter (still trolling): ``Translation: "There are no such messages. I
was lying."``
I suppose now you`ll claim those quotes are faked, too. (Note the lack
of Message ID`s 8)