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The One True Rusty

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Aug 15, 2005, 12:09:47 AM8/15/05
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Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.

Here are some reasons why:

1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable
1.) The beatnik look is great on him
3.) He delivers pizza
4.) He supports our troops (and feeds 'em!)
5.) He hands out flyers that he designed!
6.) His self portrait that he painted is out of this world!
7.) He's great on stage!
8.) He is not related to Hillary Clinton (and that's important, I hate that
woman!)
9.) He stands up for himself when challenged
10.) He is honest, forthright, plain-spoken, a true modern-day street poet
with an artistic vision that is unparalleled.

I salute you, Will Dockery, may all your tips be large, your deliveries be
easy, may your poetry write itself and may women flock to you!

Rusty
www.rbwaters.com


Citizen_Cain

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Aug 15, 2005, 12:34:50 AM8/15/05
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"The One True Rusty" <huskydu...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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> Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
> I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
>
> Here are some reasons why:
>
> 1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable


If by "enjoyable" you mean "makes people laugh at him in ways that usually
only occur at the circus"


> 1.) The beatnik look is great on him


If by "great" you mean "outdated, stupid, unwashed, and unkept"

> 3.) He delivers pizza


Pizza boys of a feather...

> 4.) He supports our troops (and feeds 'em!)


Will only delivers to them, and they think he's as stupid as he looks -- if
not stupider.


> 5.) He hands out flyers that he designed!


So in other words, he's a spammer and a piss poor excuse for a graphic
artist.

> 6.) His self portrait that he painted is out of this world!


I've seen better portraits from elementary school students drawn in stick
figures and using crayons.


> 7.) He's great on stage!


If by "great" you mean in that whole "Scary Movie 3" way.


> 8.) He is not related to Hillary Clinton (and that's important, I hate
that
> woman!)


That's only natural, Rusty. Everyone knows you're a misogynist.


> 9.) He stands up for himself when challenged


. . . And fails miserably at the attempt due to his wide, clueless nature
and his fried brain cells due to excessive use of drugs and alcohol.

> 10.) He is honest, forthright, plain-spoken, a true modern-day street poet
> with an artistic vision that is unparalleled.


You been drinking again Rusty?


>
> I salute you, Will Dockery, may all your tips be large, your deliveries be
> easy, may your poetry write itself and may women flock to you!
>

The dreams of a pizza boy are always amusing to see -- especially when they
are crushed shortly after announcement.


Will Dockery

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Aug 15, 2005, 12:58:48 AM8/15/05
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"The One True Rusty" wrote

Heh! Now /this/ man is one of truth and wisdom!

There will always be a spot on the rotation at Pizza Roma, although Pasko is
no longer with us, pal!

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Mirror Twins by Will Dockery:
<http://tinyurl.com/7on5h>

Black Eagle Lady by Will Dockery & Henry Conley:
<http://tinyurl.com/bev5f


Renay

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Aug 15, 2005, 3:17:42 AM8/15/05
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The One True Rusty wrote:
> Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
> I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
>
> Here are some reasons why:
>
> 1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable

Could you name one.

Citizen_Cain

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Aug 15, 2005, 4:13:48 AM8/15/05
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"Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message
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>
> "The One True Rusty" wrote
> >
> > Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
> > I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
> >
> > Here are some reasons why:
> >
> > 1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable
> > 1.) The beatnik look is great on him
> > 3.) He delivers pizza
> > 4.) He supports our troops (and feeds 'em!)
> > 5.) He hands out flyers that he designed!
> > 6.) His self portrait that he painted is out of this world!
> > 7.) He's great on stage!
> > 8.) He is not related to Hillary Clinton (and that's important, I hate
> that
> > woman!)
> > 9.) He stands up for himself when challenged
> > 10.) He is honest, forthright, plain-spoken, a true modern-day street
poet
> > with an artistic vision that is unparalleled.
> >
> > I salute you, Will Dockery, may all your tips be large, your deliveries
be
> > easy, may your poetry write itself and may women flock to you!
> >
> > Rusty
> > www.rbwaters.com
>
> Heh! Now /this/ man is one of truth and wisdom!


Not even in Bizzaro World, Dockery.


>
> There will always be a spot on the rotation at Pizza Roma, although Pasko
is
> no longer with us, pal!


Awww that's a fucking shame. Why isn't Pasko with you anymore? Did he
finally get his stupid ass arrested?


PJR

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Aug 15, 2005, 5:27:03 AM8/15/05
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 04:09:47 GMT, "The One True Rusty"
<huskydu...@mchsi.com> wrote in rec.arts.poems:

"Boo hoo. Even racist lardmountain stalking pizzabois don't like me."
- Tom Bishop
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Renay

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Aug 15, 2005, 6:01:36 AM8/15/05
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> - Tom Bishop

Will Dockery

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Aug 15, 2005, 1:45:54 PM8/15/05
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"Renay" wrote

> The One True Rusty wrote:
>
> > Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
> > I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
> >
> > Here are some reasons why:
> >
> > 1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable
>
> Could you name one.

If you don't enjoy them, why continue to stare?

Crayz...@gmail.com

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Aug 15, 2005, 3:36:38 PM8/15/05
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>> There will always be a spot on the rotation at Pizza Roma, although Pasko is no longer with us, pal!

Is Mr. T still the manager at Soprano's and Pizza Roma?

Citizen_Cain

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Aug 15, 2005, 6:13:58 PM8/15/05
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"Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Renay" wrote
> > The One True Rusty wrote:
> >
> > > Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
> > > I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
> > >
> > > Here are some reasons why:
> > >
> > > 1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable
> >
> > Could you name one.
>
> If you don't enjoy them, why continue to stare?


Because it's like driving down the Interstate and seeing an accident,
Dockery. You can't help but stare and wonder what conditions made the
clusterfuck that lead to the accident.

The One True Rusty

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"Citizen_Cain" <noe...@askplease.invalid> wrote in message
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>>
>> If you don't enjoy them, why continue to stare?
>
>
> Because it's like driving down the Interstate and seeing an accident,
> Dockery. You can't help but stare and wonder what conditions made the
> clusterfuck that lead to the accident.
>
>

Shit! That's right! Alex is allowed to make driving references now!
He's had a license now for about, what, a year?
BWAAAAHAHAHAHA!


Citizen_Cain

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Aug 15, 2005, 11:57:56 PM8/15/05
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"The One True Rusty" <huskydu...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Obsess much, Rusty? Hey, at least I could walk around the entire Iowa State
Fair without feeling winded, you fat sack of shit.


The One True Rusty

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"Citizen_Cain" <noe...@askplease.invalid> wrote in message
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I wasn't winded, Alex....but my feet hurt like hell for the next couple of
days.
You midget sister-raping dog molester.


Citizen_Cain

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Aug 16, 2005, 12:39:08 AM8/16/05
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"The One True Rusty" <huskydu...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Sure you weren't, Fatass.


>but my feet hurt like hell for the next couple of
> days.


That's because you don't exercise enough, Fatass.

Fred

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Aug 16, 2005, 8:13:49 AM8/16/05
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The One True Rusty, <huskydu...@mchsi.com>, whose name means "very
superficial; annoying and clingy; wants to deep throat Michael Jackson",
hullabalooed:

> I wasn't winded, Alex....but my feet hurt like hell for
> the next couple of days.

Well, take some medicine then, you pilfering, porcine, flap-mouthed gluteus
maximus.

> You midget sister-raping dog molester.

I'd advise you to mind your manners. You're in the big water now.


The One True Rusty

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Aug 16, 2005, 12:55:43 PM8/16/05
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"Fred" <"fred"@comp.os.linux.advocacy.sex.female> that gay sex loving
hedonist in news:0e7605c121f84aea...@soc.culture.harlots...
wrote for our collective amusement and amazement:

> The One True Rusty, <huskydu...@mchsi.com>, whose name means "very
> superficial; annoying and clingy; wants to deep throat Michael Jackson",
> hullabalooed:
>
>> I wasn't winded, Alex....but my feet hurt like hell for
>> the next couple of days.
>
> Well, take some medicine then, you pilfering, porcine, flap-mouthed
> gluteus
> maximus.
>

Dear Bob man! Porcine? Flap-mouthed? Your barbs sting like none other!

>> You midget sister-raping dog molester.
>
> I'd advise you to mind your manners. You're in the big water now.
>
>
>
>

Yes indeed, the big bowl in which you fancy yourself a bigger turd.


the messenjah

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Aug 16, 2005, 3:44:12 PM8/16/05
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The One True Rusty wrote:

I agree with this post.

http://skywriter.diaryland.com/050815_23.html
>
> Rusty
> www.rbwaters.com

Will Dockery

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Aug 16, 2005, 3:55:26 PM8/16/05
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Obviously a man of great wisdom!

--
Shadowville/Netherlands project:
http://www.kannibaal.nl/shadowville.htm

Mirror Twins by Will Dockery:
<http://tinyurl.com/7on5h>

Black Eagle Lady by Will Dockery & Henry Conley:
<http://tinyurl.com/bev5f>

> http://skywriter.diaryland.com/050815_23.html
> >
> > Rusty
> > www.rbwaters.com
>


j r sherman

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Aug 16, 2005, 4:17:44 PM8/16/05
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In article <ef06$430245ee$18d62363$15...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

>
>
>"the messenjah" wrote:
>> The One True Rusty wrote:
>>
>> > Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
>> > I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
>> >
>> > Here are some reasons why:
>> >
>> > 1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable
>> > 1.) The beatnik look is great on him
>> > 3.) He delivers pizza
>> > 4.) He supports our troops (and feeds 'em!)
>> > 5.) He hands out flyers that he designed!
>> > 6.) His self portrait that he painted is out of this world!
>> > 7.) He's great on stage!
>> > 8.) He is not related to Hillary Clinton (and that's important, I hate
>that
>> > woman!)
>> > 9.) He stands up for himself when challenged
>> > 10.) He is honest, forthright, plain-spoken, a true modern-day street
>poet
>> > with an artistic vision that is unparalleled.
>> >
>> > I salute you, Will Dockery, may all your tips be large, your deliveries
>be
>> > easy, may your poetry write itself and may women flock to you!
>>
>> I agree with this post.
>
>Obviously a man of great wisdom!

i never met someone who was proud to have a known pedophile as a dear friend.


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the messenjah

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Aug 16, 2005, 4:41:18 PM8/16/05
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Sure ya have, nambla defender.

Will Dockery

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"j r sherman" wrote:

I never met Allen Ginsberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg , sad
to say.

Will Dockery

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Aug 16, 2005, 4:57:45 PM8/16/05
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"the messenjah" wrote
> j r sherman wrote:

He might be referring to my old pals. the Rolling Stones:

----
Stray Cat Blues

I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

I can see that you're fifteen years old
No I don't want your I.D.
And I can see that you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know that you spit like that.

You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you really miss your mother
Don't look so scared I'm no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know that you bite like that.

You say you got a sister, she's wilder than you
Well, why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild she can join in too
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
bet you mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know that you bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back

-Jagger/Richards
----

Not /that's/ a couple of poets... long may they run.

PJR

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Aug 16, 2005, 5:03:40 PM8/16/05
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Such a display of mutual man-lurve ought to be officially recognised.
I hereby nominate Larry Lysaght, Moe Waters and Curly Dockery for the
Ministry of Circle Jerks. Now that soc.men is descending into a state
of civil war over the question of whether they need moderation to keep
the nasty wimmins out, they need to be replaced in this office by some
kooks who *really* want each other's bodies.

Seconds?

PJR :-)
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j r sherman

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Aug 16, 2005, 5:38:04 PM8/16/05
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In article <1124224878.4...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, the
messenjah says...

i've never met you in my life, chuckles.

j r sherman

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Aug 16, 2005, 5:37:25 PM8/16/05
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In article <28202$4302506e$18d62363$55...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

i think you mentioned him because that's the only poet who's name you know.

j r sherman

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Aug 16, 2005, 5:42:37 PM8/16/05
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In article <slrndg4l5...@nntp.petitmorte.net>, PJR says...

(bottled water goes all over the cube)

it is my great honor to second this glorious motion.

love and kisses,

j r "Mr. Parliamentary Procedure" sherman

baloney

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Aug 16, 2005, 6:52:52 PM8/16/05
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When a gaggle of internet kooks
asked Petey to put up his dukes,
the ninny complied
and nearly got fried
by that numbskull brigade's nutty nukes.

Fred

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Aug 16, 2005, 7:06:30 PM8/16/05
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The One True Rusty, <huskydu...@mchsi.com>, whose name means "too
sensitive; does strange things with vegetables", bootlicked:

> Dear Bob man!

Do you like many men, Rusty?

> Porcine?

Rage is the word. What about lessening your pain? Need a Glock?

> Flap-mouthed?

Thou burly-boned clown. Thou lying, blue-haired son of darkness. Thou subtle
whore. Courtesy would seem to cover sin. Thou shoulder-clapper. Thou inept,
goatish haggard.

> Your barbs sting like none other!

Like what?

> Yes indeed, the big bowl in which you fancy yourself a bigger turd.

Which I fancy myself a bigger turd? You have no idea what is going on here,
do you, Rusty?

Citizen_Cain

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"the messenjah" <theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote in message
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So...how's that "class action lawsuit" coming along, Chuck?


Citizen_Cain

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"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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...until now


Citizen_Cain

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"Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message
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Dockery, the Rolling Stones are aging, senile old fools, but that still
wouldn't stop them from beating the shit out of you for making such a
remark.


Will Dockery

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Aug 16, 2005, 7:29:46 PM8/16/05
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That, and he was a pedophile/NAMBLA supporter... sorta like you
/without/ the poetry.

j r sherman

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Aug 16, 2005, 7:49:44 PM8/16/05
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In article <1124234986.5...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, Will Dockery
says...

i've never support NAMBLA. not-once-ever. where do you make up these lies,
dockery?

Will Dockery

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It's archived, just Google: "j r sherman" + "nambla".

j r sherman

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Aug 16, 2005, 9:12:52 PM8/16/05
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In article <1124237235.5...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Will Dockery
says...

indeed. and you will see no where that i said that i supported NAMBLA. not once.
where DO you make up these lies, dockery?

Barbara's Cat

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Aug 16, 2005, 11:00:26 PM8/16/05
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In article <28202$4302506e$18d62363$55...@KNOLOGY.NET>,
posted Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:40:11 -0400,
Will Dockery <will_d...@knology.net> said:

Sad? More like lucky. With you being homophobic,
he probably would've scared the shit out of you.

--
Cm~

Barbara's Cat

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In article <1124237235.5...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
posted 16 Aug 2005 17:07:15 -0700,
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> said:

Correction: "Chuck Lysaght" + "NAMBLA".

--
Cm~

Barbara's Cat

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In article <a0c1d$430274e3$a66659c4$14...@ALLTEL.NET>,
posted Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:21:06 -0400,
Citizen_Cain <noe...@askplease.invalid> said:

Or your supposed trip to Israel, Chuck?

--
Cm~

The Ikon That Can Still Go

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Aug 16, 2005, 11:10:05 PM8/16/05
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Is your grandmother's cancer still in remission Chuck?

The One True Rusty

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Aug 16, 2005, 11:42:17 PM8/16/05
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"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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SLUUUUUUUURRRRPPPPPP!
How predictable....

Barbara's Cat

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Aug 17, 2005, 12:35:17 AM8/17/05
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In article <ddtmk...@drn.newsguy.com>,
posted 16 Aug 2005 14:42:37 -0700,

It couldn't happen to a sweeter bunch of guys.

Third.

Heh. I feel I've misspelled something. Umm?

--
Cm~

Will Dockery

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Aug 17, 2005, 3:30:05 AM8/17/05
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"j r sherman" wrote
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >>The One True Rusty wrote:
> >>
> >>Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
> >> I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
> >>
> >>Here are some reasons why:
> >>
> >>1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable
> >>2.) The beatnik look is great on him

> >>3.) He delivers pizza
> >>4.) He supports our troops (and feeds 'em!)
> >>5.) He hands out flyers that he designed!
> >>6.) His self portrait that he painted is out of this world!
> >>7.) He's great on stage!
> >>8.) He is not related to Hillary Clinton (and that's important, I hate
that woman!)
> >>9.) He stands up for himself when challenged
> >>10.) He is honest, forthright, plain-spoken, a true modern-day street
poet with an artistic vision that is unparalleled.
> >>
> >>I salute you, Will Dockery, may all your tips be large, your deliveries
be easy, may your poetry write itself and may women flock to you!
> >>
> >> >i never met someone who was proud to have a known pedophile as a dear
friend.
> >> >
> >>I never met Allen Ginsberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg ,
sad to say.
> >>i think you mentioned him because that's the only poet who's name you
know.
> >>
> >> >That, and he was a pedophile/NAMBLA supporter... sorta like you
> >>
> >> i've never support NAMBLA. not-once-ever. where do you make up these
lies,
> >> dockery?
> >
> >It's archived, just Google: "j r sherman" + "nambla".
>
> indeed. and you will see no where that i said that i supported NAMBLA. not
once.

You don't support freedom of speech, JRS?

Message has been deleted

Will Dockery

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Aug 17, 2005, 4:22:16 AM8/17/05
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"Tommy Bishop" wrote

I support freedom of expression, Willie.

One of the truly great things about Usenet, as well as being a superb
promotional tool...

PJR

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Aug 17, 2005, 6:22:16 AM8/17/05
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It would have helped if I'd remembered to crosspost it to AUK. (fixed)

Daedalus

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Aug 17, 2005, 8:02:21 AM8/17/05
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:03:40 +0100, PJR <p...@NOSPAMkookbusters.org>,
wrote:


AYE!


Jade

j r sherman

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Aug 17, 2005, 11:11:14 AM8/17/05
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In article <d17c$4302e8dc$18d62363$19...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

so now you're saying i don't support the freedom of speech? when did i ever say
that, loser? ever?

when you make intelligence your enemy, you make stupidity and loserdom your
friend. who would be proud of making stupidity a friend?

j r sherman

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Aug 17, 2005, 11:25:24 AM8/17/05
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In article <tmyMe.255991$x96.15419@attbi_s72>, The One True Rusty says...

you're just jealous because i have friends. and you have... well, you.

pretty fucking scary.

and i have made a Holy Blood Oath to side with Peter Ross on all usenet votes.

obviously YOU know nothing of honor.

Will Dockery

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Aug 17, 2005, 2:28:21 PM8/17/05
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I /asked/ if you support freedom of speech, JRS.

j r sherman

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Aug 17, 2005, 3:25:42 PM8/17/05
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In article <c1c3e$43038346$18d62363$13...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

and i asked, when have i ever said i didn't? never once. to support the right of
all people to be able to express their opinions, no matter how much you might
disagree with that opinion, is the most important right one can protect. either
all speech is protected, or no speech is safe from censorship. sounds like you
might disagree with that.

Will Dockery

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Aug 17, 2005, 3:45:24 PM8/17/05
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For once we agree, JRS.

Citizen_Cain

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Aug 17, 2005, 4:01:38 PM8/17/05
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"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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well in Rusty's defense, his fat and ego make him big enough for two,
possibly three peole

So having him only have him is like him having two friends with different
racist personalities

The One True Rusty

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"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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There are acceptable limits to free speech, however. For instance, during
war time, saying things to lower our troops' morale....or hollering "Fire!"
in a crowded room.

Will Dockery

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My grandparents told of the country preacher at their church in Alabama who
during WW2 was visited and questioned by the FBI on a Monday morning after
saying bad things about FDR during his sermon the day before... nobody was
sure whatever happened to him after that.

Will Dockery

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I wouldn't have wanted to have sex with him, that's for sure.

I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and transcribing
the results "as is".

----
Barry Miles:

"Dylan gave Allen six hundred dollars to buy himself a top-of-the-line
portable reel-to-reel Uher tape recorder, which would run for ten hours
on batteries and could be plugged into a socket to recharge." (Miles
page 381.)

The purpose was to support Ginsberg's latest project (devised in
September 1965), which was to drive across the USA, observing all he
could and using this to compose spontaneous poems about America. The
portable tape recorder (an Uher, not a Nagra!) would eliminate the need
to write things down in journals. Ginsberg could "write" as they
drove along, and the product would be even more spontaneous. All in
keeping with his artistic credo -- "First thought, best thought."

Ginsberg and some buddies promptly departed in a Volkswagen
bus (December 15, 1965). They stopped to hang out with Lawrence
Ferlinghetti at Big Sur and Ginsberg spent a lot of time on the beach
"mumbling into his new tape recorder, getting to know it as a writing
tool." Ginsberg described it as "a new ax for composition." He also
reread Kerouac's "Big Sur."

The trip began in earnest in January 1966, as they drove east toward
Albuquerque. Ginsberg sat in the front, "held his microphone and
recorded impressions as they traveled." The result was a collection
of poems (once they had been put down on paper with the right line
breaks, etc).

The most famous is "Wichita Vortex Sutra," which Ginsberg composed as
"a series of spoken stanzas, two or three lines at a time, murmuring
directly into the microphone of his Uher as they sped along." It's a
protest against the Vietnam War, etc., and became an instant classic
after it was printed in the Village Voice on April 28, 1966.

Most of the poems from the trip were published in Ginsberg's book, The
Fall of America (1973).

"Wichita Vortex Sutra," however, was published in Ginsberg's book,
Planet News (1968).
----

Plenty of things to focus on with Ginsberg without even entering into
the grounds of his sexual preferences, as your homophobic remark
labelled him.

j r sherman

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In article <QS3Ne.259739$x96.13350@attbi_s72>, The One True Rusty says...

not in the market place of free ideas, there is no limit. no rules. no
regulations at all.

not in the market place of free ideas.

>For instance, during
>war time, saying things to lower our troops' morale....

opinions and thoughts can not be regulated, by anyone, at any time, ever. anyone
who believes other wise is wrong. there is no other point of view.


>or hollering "Fire!"
>in a crowded room.

no kidding. go back to school, rusty.

j r sherman

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In article <1124390037.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Will Dockery
says...

OH YEAH, dockery, that's something that probably bothered Ginsberg night and day
before he died. he never got the chance to have sex with you!

POOOOOOR Allen.

>I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
>composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and transcribing
>the results "as is".

and you could have taught him how to stagger around on a stage like a moron.

the messenjah

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Aug 18, 2005, 3:28:36 PM8/18/05
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Loose lips sink ships.


>
>
> >For instance, during
> >war time, saying things to lower our troops' morale....
>
> opinions and thoughts can not be regulated, by anyone, at any time, ever. anyone
> who believes other wise is wrong. there is no other point of view.

Wrong again, Tinkerbell.


>
>
> >or hollering "Fire!"
> >in a crowded room.
>
> no kidding. go back to school, rusty.

Have you apologized for calling Rusty a bigot? You falsely accused him
of hating gays and lesbians when he wrote nothing like that at all.

Will Dockery

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"j r sherman" wrote

I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.

> >I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
> >composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and transcribing
> >the results "as is".
>
> and you could have taught him how to stagger around on a stage like a
moron.

Kerouac did that best.

jonatha...@gmail.com

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Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:

> I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.

No you wouldn't've.

> > >I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
> > >composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and transcribing
> > >the results "as is".

Why didn't you? He opened the Disembodied Poetics school for that very
purpose.

--
Jonathan Penton
http://www.unlikelystories.org

Veronica O'Donoghue

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On 18 Aug 2005 12:28:36 -0700, "the messenjah"
<theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote:

Whereas chuckles, the proud bigot, openly hates gays and lesbians and
just about everybody who isn't a rightwing religious nutcase. Surely
he'd love Rusty even more if he was a bigot too?

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the messenjah

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Aug 18, 2005, 4:10:02 PM8/18/05
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More lies, Veronica? Tsk-tsk.

PJR

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On 2005-08-18, the messenjah wrote in rec.arts.poems:

> Loose lips sink ships.
Fat clowns go down.

PJR :-)
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j r sherman

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In article <a3c58$4304e191$18d62363$29...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

i'm pretty sure Ginsberg was fond of people who bathed.

>> >I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
>> >composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and transcribing
>> >the results "as is".
>>
>> and you could have taught him how to stagger around on a stage like a
>moron.
>
>Kerouac did that best.

when did you see Kerouac?

Will Dockery

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Aug 18, 2005, 4:16:13 PM8/18/05
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Jonathan Penton wrote

>
> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
>
> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
>
> No you wouldn't've.

I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find me
interesting, sexually, if he were still here.

Would've loved to've got high with him, though.

> > > >I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
> > > >composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and transcribing
> > > >the results "as is".
>
> Why didn't you? He opened the Disembodied Poetics school for that very
> purpose.

At the time he was into all that I wasn't serious about poetry--- less than
a decade ago my main concern was for my wife and children, working in a
mill, and living a simple happy life in a small town.

Poetry was an intereting hobby that wasn't a part of my "real life".

"I used to care... but things have changed." -Dylan

--
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http://www.kannibaal.nl/shadowville.htm

Mirror Twins by Will Dockery:
<http://tinyurl.com/7on5h>

Black Eagle Lady by Will Dockery & Henry Conley:
<http://tinyurl.com/bev5f>

> Jonathan Penton
> http://www.unlikelystories.org

j r sherman

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Aug 18, 2005, 4:06:27 PM8/18/05
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In article <1124393316....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, the messenjah

morons never learn. my statement has much more power, i assure you.

that one will go completely over your head.


>> >For instance, during
>> >war time, saying things to lower our troops' morale....
>>
>>opinions and thoughts can not be regulated, by anyone, at any time, ever. anyone
>> who believes other wise is wrong. there is no other point of view.
>
>Wrong again, Tinkerbell.

here's a good one:

"how so, chuckles?"

heh, i slay myself sometimes.

>
>>
>>
>> >or hollering "Fire!"
>> >in a crowded room.
>>
>> no kidding. go back to school, rusty.
>
>Have you apologized for calling Rusty a bigot?

why?

>You falsely accused him
>of hating gays and lesbians when he wrote nothing like that at all.

i asked him why he did. he did not explain to my satisfaction how he wasn't a
homophobe.

j r sherman

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In article <1124394984....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
jonatha...@gmail.com says...

>
>Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
>
>> I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
>
>No you wouldn't've.
>
>> > >I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
>> > >composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and transcribing
>> > >the results "as is".
>
>Why didn't you? He opened the Disembodied Poetics school for that very
>purpose.

for dockery is was a toss up: go to New York to study and learn - be lazy and
drink more.

guess which one won out?


love and kisses,

j r sherman

Will Dockery

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j r sherman wrote:
> >> >> > > >Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> > > >"the messenjah" wrote:
> >> >> > > >> The One True Rusty wrote:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> > Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
> >> >> > > >> > I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > Here are some reasons why:
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > 1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable
> >> >> > > >> > 1.) The beatnik look is great on him
> >> >> > > >> > 3.) He delivers pizza
> >> >> > > >> > 4.) He supports our troops (and feeds 'em!)
> >> >> > > >> > 5.) He hands out flyers that he designed!
> >> >> > > >> > 6.) His self portrait that he painted is out of this world!
> >> >> > > >> > 7.) He's great on stage!
> >> >> > > >> > 8.) He is not related to Hillary Clinton
> >> >> > > >> > 9.) He stands up for himself when challenged
> >> >>> > >> > 10.) He is honest, forthright, plain-spoken, a true modern-day street poet with an artistic vision that is unparalleled.
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > I salute you, Will Dockery, may all your tips be large, your
> >> >> > deliveries
> >> >> > > >be
> >> >> > > >> > easy, may your poetry write itself and may women flock to you!
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> I agree with this post.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >Obviously a man of great wisdom!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > i never met someone who was proud to have a known pedophile as a
> >dear
> >> >> > friend.
> >> >> >
> >> >>> I never met Allen Ginsberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg
> >, sad
> >> >> > to say.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sad? More like lucky. With you being homophobic,
> >> >> he probably would've scared the shit out of you.
> >> >
> >> >I wouldn't have wanted to have sex with him, that's for sure.
> >>
> >> OH YEAH, dockery, that's something that probably bothered Ginsberg night
> >and day
> >> before he died. he never got the chance to have sex with you!
> >>
> >> POOOOOOR Allen.
> >
> >I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
>
> i'm pretty sure Ginsberg was fond of people who bathed.

Perhaps in his later years.

j r sherman

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Aug 18, 2005, 4:39:10 PM8/18/05
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In article <a30a5$4304edca$18d62363$14...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

>
>
>Jonathan Penton wrote
>>
>> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
>>
>> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
>>
>> No you wouldn't've.
>
>I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find me
>interesting, sexually, if he were still here.

what makes you think you had a chance before you went grey?

>Would've loved to've got high with him, though.
>
>> > > >I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
>> > > >composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and transcribing
>> > > >the results "as is".
>>
>> Why didn't you? He opened the Disembodied Poetics school for that very
>> purpose.
>
>At the time he was into all that I wasn't serious about poetry--- less than
>a decade ago my main concern was for my wife and children, working in a
>mill, and living a simple happy life in a small town.

no wonder your wife dumped your fat, cracker ass.

>Poetry was an intereting hobby that wasn't a part of my "real life".

heh, like it is now?

when's the last time you wrote a poem, dockery?

Will Dockery

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"j r sherman" wrote
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >Jonathan Penton wrote
> >>
> >> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
> >>
> >> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
> >>
> >> No you wouldn't've.
> >
> >I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find me
> >interesting, sexually, if he were still here.
>
> what makes you think you had a chance before you went grey?

Either way I would have let him down gently... he was a great hero, but as
you know, I'm not so fond of the gay stuff.

> >Would've loved to've got high with him, though.
> >
> >> > > >I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
> >> > > >composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and
transcribing
> >> > > >the results "as is".
> >>
> >> Why didn't you? He opened the Disembodied Poetics school for that very
> >> purpose.
> >
> >At the time he was into all that I wasn't serious about poetry--- less
than
> >a decade ago my main concern was for my wife and children, working in a
> >mill, and living a simple happy life in a small town.
>
> no wonder your wife dumped your fat, cracker ass.
>
> >Poetry was an intereting hobby that wasn't a part of my "real life".
>
> heh, like it is now?
>
> when's the last time you wrote a poem, dockery?

A good one?

I write little poems every day, but /finished/ stuff is slower, these
certain days.

j r sherman

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Aug 18, 2005, 5:02:05 PM8/18/05
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In article <1124397751.0...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Will Dockery
says...

where did you get that idea? some guy at a bar told you, Mr. Scholarly
Knowledge?

Will Dockery

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"j r sherman" wrote

> >"the messenjah" wrote:
> >>The One True Rusty wrote:
> >>
> >>Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
> >> I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
> >>
> >>Here are some reasons why:
> >>
> >>1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable
> >>2.) The beatnik look is great on him

> >>3.) He delivers pizza
> >>4.) He supports our troops (and feeds 'em!)
> >>5.) He hands out flyers that he designed!
> >>6.) His self portrait that he painted is out of this world!
> >>7.) He's great on stage!
> >>8.) He is not related to Hillary Clinton
> >>9.) He stands up for himself when challenged
> >>10.) He is honest, forthright, plain-spoken, a true modern-day
> >>street poet with an artistic vision that is unparalleled.
> >>
> >>I salute you, Will Dockery, may all your tips be large, your deliveries
be
> >>easy, may your poetry write itself and may women flock to you!
> >>
> i never met someone who was proud to have a known pedophile as a
> >> >dear friend.
> >>
> >> I never met Allen Ginsberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg
> >> >, sad
> >> >> >> > to say.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sad? More like lucky. With you being homophobic,
> >> >> >> he probably would've scared the shit out of you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I wouldn't have wanted to have sex with him, that's for sure.
> >> >>
> >> >> OH YEAH, dockery, that's something that probably bothered Ginsberg
night
> >> >and day
> >> >> before he died. he never got the chance to have sex with you!
> >> >>
> >> >> POOOOOOR Allen.
> >> >
> >> >I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
> >>
> >> i'm pretty sure Ginsberg was fond of people who bathed.
> >
> >Perhaps in his later years.
>
> where did you get that idea? some guy at a bar told you, Mr. Scholarly
> Knowledge?

I forgot more than you'll ever know about the Beats, son.

j r sherman

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In article <757d$4304f7cb$18d62363$16...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

>
>
>"j r sherman" wrote
>> >Will Dockery wrote:
>> >Jonathan Penton wrote
>> >>
>> >> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
>> >>
>> >> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
>> >>
>> >> No you wouldn't've.
>> >
>> >I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find me
>> >interesting, sexually, if he were still here.
>>
>> what makes you think you had a chance before you went grey?
>
>Either way I would have let him down gently...

you sound as you actually believe he would have asked you. what makes you think
he would have?

Will Dockery

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Aug 18, 2005, 5:49:42 PM8/18/05
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"j r sherman" wrote
> >> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >Jonathan Penton wrote
> >> >>
> >> >> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
> >> >>
> >> >> No you wouldn't've.
> >> >
> >> >I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find me
> >> >interesting, sexually, if he were still here.
> >>
> >> what makes you think you had a chance before you went grey?
> >
> >Either way I would have let him down gently...
>
> you sound as you actually believe he would have asked you. what makes you
think
> he would have?

It doesn't matter either way, does it?

j r sherman

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In article <a4ff2$4304ff97$18d62363$30...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

then kindly tell me where you read this bit of information about Ginsberg.

Will Dockery

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Aug 18, 2005, 6:33:38 PM8/18/05
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"j r sherman" wrote
> >"Will Dockery" wrote

Well, kindly be more specific, then.

j r sherman

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Aug 18, 2005, 6:31:01 PM8/18/05
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In article <358be$430503b5$18d62363$19...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

>
>
>"j r sherman" wrote
>> >> >Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >Jonathan Penton wrote
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No you wouldn't've.
>> >> >
>> >> >I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find me
>> >> >interesting, sexually, if he were still here.
>> >>
>> >> what makes you think you had a chance before you went grey?
>> >
>> >Either way I would have let him down gently...
>>
>> you sound as you actually believe he would have asked you. what makes you
>think
>> he would have?
>
>It doesn't matter either way, does it?

i'm just curious as to why you think he'd ask you?

Will Dockery

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"j r sherman" wrote
> >> >> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >Jonathan Penton wrote
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No you wouldn't've.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find
me
> >> >> >interesting, sexually, if he were still here.
> >> >>
> >> >> what makes you think you had a chance before you went grey?
> >> >
> >> >Either way I would have let him down gently...
> >>
> >> you sound as you actually believe he would have asked you. what makes
you
> >think
> >> he would have?
> >
> >It doesn't matter either way, does it?
>
> i'm just curious as to why you think he'd ask you?

I never claimed he would have.

j r sherman

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In article <acf98$43050dfe$18d62363$37...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

where did you learn that Ginsberg liked people who did not bath?

remember: i said Ginsberg liked people who bathed, and you said "maybe in his
later years." so i asked you where you learned that little bit of information,
about Ginsberg and bathing?

so, where did you learn such information? or are you talking out of the other
side of your ass, as usual?

Will Dockery

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"j r sherman" wrote

So, you admit you know very little about Allen Ginsberg, then?

j r sherman

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Aug 18, 2005, 7:36:13 PM8/18/05
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In article <af147$430514e6$18d62363$53...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

>
>
>"j r sherman" wrote
>> >> >> >Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >Jonathan Penton wrote
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No you wouldn't've.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find
>me
>> >> >> >interesting, sexually, if he were still here.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> what makes you think you had a chance before you went grey?
>> >> >
>> >> >Either way I would have let him down gently...
>> >>
>> >> you sound as you actually believe he would have asked you. what makes
>you
>> >think
>> >> he would have?
>> >
>> >It doesn't matter either way, does it?
>>
>> i'm just curious as to why you think he'd ask you?
>
>I never claimed he would have.

i quote you:

"I wouldn't have wanted to have sex with him, that's for sure."

a comment that came completely out of nowhere, as most of your comments do. no
one asked you if you wanted to, you just brought that out on your own.

it was a most telling comment on your part. who would say something like that
out of the blue, unless the idea of a gay man hitting on them scares the shit
out of them?

Will Dockery

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"j r sherman" wrote
> >> >> >> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >Jonathan Penton wrote
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> No you wouldn't've.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd
find
> >me
> >> >> >> >interesting, sexually, if he were still here.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> what makes you think you had a chance before you went grey?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Either way I would have let him down gently...
> >> >>
> >> >> you sound as you actually believe he would have asked you. what
makes
> >you
> >> >think
> >> >> he would have?
> >> >
> >> >It doesn't matter either way, does it?
> >>
> >> i'm just curious as to why you think he'd ask you?
> >
> >I never claimed he would have.
>
> i quote you:
>
> "I wouldn't have wanted to have sex with him, that's for sure."

So, I was correct. I never wrote that he would have /asked/ me anything.

> a comment that came completely out of nowhere, as most of your comments
do. no
> one asked you if you wanted to, you just brought that out on your own.
>
> it was a most telling comment on your part. who would say something like
that
> out of the blue, unless the idea of a gay man hitting on them scares the
shit
> out of them?

It wasn't "out of the blue"--- your boy Cat brought up Ginsberg being gay
with a homophobic insult directed at me, and I responded that no, I would
have wanted to have sex with him.

Amanda Reid

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What do you mean "acceptable limits"?
You are poasting to a poultry froup, you know.
Is there a rule(s), or are you just having a *feeling*?
--
>^,,^<

Citizen_Cain

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"Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message
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>
> "The One True Rusty" wrote
> > >>> >> >Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>> >> >>The One True Rusty wrote:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>Dearest Netizens of Usenet at large,
> > >>> >> >> I, The One True Rusty, like Will Dockery.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>Here are some reasons why:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>1.) He writes poetry that is occasionally quite enjoyable
> > >>> >> >>2.) The beatnik look is great on him
> > >>> >> >>3.) He delivers pizza
> > >>> >> >>4.) He supports our troops (and feeds 'em!)
> > >>> >> >>5.) He hands out flyers that he designed!
> > >>> >> >>6.) His self portrait that he painted is out of this world!
> > >>> >> >>7.) He's great on stage!
> > >>> >> >>8.) He is not related to Hillary Clinton (and that's
important,
> I
> > >>hate
> > >>> >that woman!)
> > >>> >> >>9.) He stands up for himself when challenged
> > >>> >> >>10.) He is honest, forthright, plain-spoken, a true modern-day
> > >>> >> >>street
> > >>> >poet with an artistic vision that is unparalleled.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>I salute you, Will Dockery, may all your tips be large, your
> > >>deliveries
> > >>> >be easy, may your poetry write itself and may women flock to you!
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> >i never met someone who was proud to have a known pedophile
as
> a
> > >>dear
> > >>> >friend.
> > >>> >> >> >
> > >>> >> >>I never met Allen Ginsberg
> > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg ,
> > >>> >sad to say.
> > There are acceptable limits to free speech, however. For instance,
during
> > war time, saying things to lower our troops' morale....or hollering

> "Fire!"
> > in a crowded room.
>
> My grandparents told of the country preacher at their church in Alabama
who
> during WW2 was visited and questioned by the FBI on a Monday morning after
> saying bad things about FDR during his sermon the day before... nobody was
> sure whatever happened to him after that.
>

He moved to Georgia and became a drunken compulsive liar?


Citizen_Cain

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Aug 18, 2005, 8:20:08 PM8/18/05
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"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <QS3Ne.259739$x96.13350@attbi_s72>, The One True Rusty says...
> >
> >
> >"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:de02v...@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> In article <c1c3e$43038346$18d62363$13...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery
> >> says...
> not in the market place of free ideas, there is no limit. no rules. no
> regulations at all.
>
> not in the market place of free ideas.
>
>
> >For instance, during

> >war time, saying things to lower our troops' morale....
>
> opinions and thoughts can not be regulated, by anyone, at any time, ever.
anyone
> who believes other wise is wrong. there is no other point of view.
>
>
> >or hollering "Fire!"
> >in a crowded room.
>
> no kidding. go back to school, rusty.


Like it would do him any good.


Citizen_Cain

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Aug 18, 2005, 8:21:03 PM8/18/05
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"the messenjah" <theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote in message
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> Loose lips sink ships.

> >
> >
> > >For instance, during
> > >war time, saying things to lower our troops' morale....
> >
> > opinions and thoughts can not be regulated, by anyone, at any time,
ever. anyone
> > who believes other wise is wrong. there is no other point of view.
>
> Wrong again, Tinkerbell.

>
>
> >
> >
> > >or hollering "Fire!"
> > >in a crowded room.
> >
> > no kidding. go back to school, rusty.
>
> Have you apologized for calling Rusty a bigot? You falsely accused him

> of hating gays and lesbians when he wrote nothing like that at all.


Have you apologized for calling Kevin Cannon a stalker? You falsely accused
him of harrasment when he wrote nothing like that at all.


Amanda Reid

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Aug 18, 2005, 8:27:08 PM8/18/05
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j r sherman bubbled:

> opinions and thoughts can not be regulated, by anyone,
> at any time, ever. anyone who believes other wise is wrong.
> there is no other point of view.

"There can be no doubt that the law is whatever the people want [,
right or wrong]."
-- "Chief Justice" of the "U.S. Supreme Court" O.W. Holmes
-- Ch.2 p.1 /The Common Law/

Ahhh, fukit.
It's a free country.
Figure it out or die of the failure.
--
>^,,^<

Citizen_Cain

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Aug 18, 2005, 9:27:29 PM8/18/05
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"Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message
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THAT much I believe. After all, the years of Dockery's drug abuse has fried
most of his brain cells by now.


j r sherman

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Aug 18, 2005, 9:13:01 PM8/18/05
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In article <ca846$43052148$18d62363$95...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

>
>
>"j r sherman" wrote
>> >> >> >> >Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> >Jonathan Penton wrote
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> No you wouldn't've.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd
>find
>> >me
>> >> >> >> >interesting, sexually, if he were still here.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> what makes you think you had a chance before you went grey?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Either way I would have let him down gently...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> you sound as you actually believe he would have asked you. what
>makes
>> >you
>> >> >think
>> >> >> he would have?
>> >> >
>> >> >It doesn't matter either way, does it?
>> >>
>> >> i'm just curious as to why you think he'd ask you?
>> >
>> >I never claimed he would have.
>>
>> i quote you:
>>
>> "I wouldn't have wanted to have sex with him, that's for sure."
>
>So, I was correct. I never wrote that he would have /asked/ me anything.

inference is a word that's found in dictionaries. i would refer you to one, but
there's probably not a dictionary within 30-60-90 miles of where you live.

>> a comment that came completely out of nowhere, as most of your comments
>do. no
>> one asked you if you wanted to, you just brought that out on your own.
>>
>> it was a most telling comment on your part. who would say something like
>that
>> out of the blue, unless the idea of a gay man hitting on them scares the
>shit
>> out of them?
>
>It wasn't "out of the blue"--- your boy Cat brought up Ginsberg being gay
>with a homophobic insult directed at me,

which is really helpful, because you are a homophobe.

>and I responded that no, I would
>have wanted to have sex with him.

actually, you could have said something like, "well, i'm not gay, so none of
that really matters" but you immediately HAD to say, "well, i wouldn't have sex
with him." and you sounded quite defensive about it.

inference is a word that's found in dictionaries. i would refer you to one, but
there's probably not a dictionary within 30-60-90 miles of where you live.

perdition is the only possible ending when you make stupidity your friend.

perdition is a word that's found in dictionaries. i would refer you to one, but
there's probably not a dictionary within 30-60-90 miles of where you live.

Will Dockery

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Aug 18, 2005, 9:37:56 PM8/18/05
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Not at all, just answering your homophobic little pal, JRS.

j r sherman

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Aug 18, 2005, 9:29:50 PM8/18/05
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In article <37d22$43052574$a66659b7$29...@ALLTEL.NET>, Citizen_Cain says...

heh.

but dockery's so full of shit.

next he'll be saying that the same two FBI guys were seen in Dallas on the day
of Kennedy's assasination.


love and kisses,

j r sherman


j r sherman

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Aug 18, 2005, 9:27:32 PM8/18/05
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In article <1124411228....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Amanda Reid
says...

>
>j r sherman bubbled:
>
>> opinions and thoughts can not be regulated, by anyone,
>> at any time, ever. anyone who believes other wise is wrong.
>> there is no other point of view.
>
>"There can be no doubt that the law is whatever the people want [,
>right or wrong]."
> -- "Chief Justice" of the "U.S. Supreme Court" O.W. Holmes
> -- Ch.2 p.1 /The Common Law/

yeah, when the Rebs started shooting at him, he hid behind a tree.

>Ahhh, fukit.
> It's a free country.
> Figure it out or die of the failure.

indeed.

there are some absolutes.

~~Jinn~~

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Aug 19, 2005, 12:15:49 AM8/19/05
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"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:de2pr...@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <1124394984....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> jonatha...@gmail.com says...

>>
>>Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
>>
>>> I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
>>
>>No you wouldn't've.
>>
>>> > >I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
>>> > >composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and transcribing
>>> > >the results "as is".
>>
>>Why didn't you? He opened the Disembodied Poetics school for that very
>>purpose.
>
> for dockery is was a toss up: go to New York to study and learn - be lazy and
> drink more.
>
> guess which one won out?

Better: "guess which won out?"
...very trochee

Alternatively: "guess which one won?"
..so clever, and Hammesy

Also: "guess which one?"
...simple, but poignant.

Where did you learn English, jr. Honestly. One would think you
spent most of your life as a crack whore.

Were you really raised in an Oakland gutter?

~~Jinn~~

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Aug 19, 2005, 12:20:44 AM8/19/05
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"Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message news:ca846$43052148$18d62363$95...@KNOLOGY.NET...

Just a Monica, perhaps?

C'mon, Will... To have Alan Ginsberg sucking your dick couldn't be all bad.

Will Dockery

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Aug 19, 2005, 1:03:21 AM8/19/05
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~~Jinn~~ wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >Jonathan Penton wrote
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> No you wouldn't've.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find me
> >> >> >> >> >interesting, sexually, if he were still here.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Either way I would have let him down gently...
> >>
> >> i quote you:
> >>
> >> "I wouldn't have wanted to have sex with him, that's for sure."
> >
> > So, I was correct. I never wrote that he would have /asked/ me anything.
> >
> >> a comment that came completely out of nowhere, as most of your comments
> > do. no
> >> one asked you if you wanted to, you just brought that out on your own.
> >>
> >> it was a most telling comment on your part. who would say something like
> > that
> >> out of the blue, unless the idea of a gay man hitting on them scares the
> > shit
> >> out of them?
> >
> > It wasn't "out of the blue"--- your boy Cat brought up Ginsberg being gay
> > with a homophobic insult directed at me, and I responded that no, I wouldn't

> > have wanted to have sex with him.
>
> Just a Monica, perhaps?
>
> C'mon, Will... To have Alan Ginsberg sucking your dick couldn't be all bad.

Too hairy and too much like looking into the mirror.

Fred Hall

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Aug 19, 2005, 1:25:20 AM8/19/05
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On 18 Aug 2005 22:03:21 -0700, "Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Heh.

--

http://www.petitmorte.net/pjr/tom1.jpg
http://www.petitmorte.net/pjr/tom2.jpg

Rik Roots

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Aug 19, 2005, 2:03:45 AM8/19/05
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"PJR" <p...@NOSPAMkookbusters.org> wrote in message news:slrndg9r3...@nntp.petitmorte.net...
> On 2005-08-18, the messenjah wrote in rec.arts.poems:
>
>> Loose lips sink ships.
> Fat clowns go down.

Did you gain weight, peewee.

Good to hear!

j r sherman

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Aug 19, 2005, 10:27:31 AM8/19/05
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In article <1090e$43053932$18d62363$25...@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...

he's not the one getting all defensive about talking to a gay man, you are.

it's most telling.

Will Dockery

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Aug 19, 2005, 1:48:58 PM8/19/05
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You're gay?

Citizen_Cain

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Aug 19, 2005, 3:00:01 PM8/19/05
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"Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jonathan Penton wrote
> >
> > Will Dockery wrote in reference to Ginsberg:
> >
> > > I'd be too old for him anyhow, actually.
> >
> > No you wouldn't've.
>
> I've gone completely grey over the last week... I doubt he'd find me
> interesting, sexually, if he were still here.


Completely gray? As in your hair? Maybe you shouldn't have abused drugs
and alcohol over all those years, moron.


>
> Would've loved to've got high with him, though.

*roll*

>
> > > > >I would have liked to talk with him about his method of poetry
> > > > >composition, which was mumbling into a tape recorder and
transcribing
> > > > >the results "as is".
> >
> > Why didn't you? He opened the Disembodied Poetics school for that very
> > purpose.
>

> At the time he was into all that I wasn't serious about poetry--- less
than
> a decade ago my main concern was for my wife and children, working in a
> mill, and living a simple happy life in a small town.


And getting drunk and high while doing it all. How many times did you
endanger your wife and children as a result of your addictions, Dockery?

>
> Poetry was an intereting hobby that wasn't a part of my "real life".
>
> "I used to care... but things have changed." -Dylan


>
> --
> Shadowville/Netherlands project:
> http://www.kannibaal.nl/shadowville.htm
>
> Mirror Twins by Will Dockery:
> <http://tinyurl.com/7on5h>
>
> Black Eagle Lady by Will Dockery & Henry Conley:
> <http://tinyurl.com/bev5f>
>

> > Jonathan Penton
> > http://www.unlikelystories.org
>
>
>


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