A Question
Lamia
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Lamia
Kenny Chaffin
> What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
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> Lamia
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To expound a bit:
The thing is J R wouldn't know a poem if it bit him in the butt.
KAC
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Poetry Page: http://www.kacweb.com/poems/poetryindex.html
Kenny Chaffin
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> Lamia
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ROTFL!
Randi
doctor and was surprised to hear him say, as he crouched down behind me, "My
God! Those are villanelle toothmarks!" I admit I didn't know, and I was
embarrassed. The moral? Practice safe sex. Stick with committed couplets.
Wagner Mitchell Family
Lamia wrote:
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> What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
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My guess is he'd call the following a poem:
Marriage, With Children
After the two a.m. feeding you enter
my mind, invited by memories of Sundays
spent
fingering patterns on my breasts and
belly until hunger lured you
to the kitchen where you heated
a pan, positioned strips of bacon and covered
your nakedness with a bibbed apron.
When you saw me come
into the room wrapping my
solid, sweating body with a
sheer robe, the apron
tented, the bacon sizzled and the eggs
didn't crack.
Now you penetrate
my reverie with a sigh, stand
at the foot of our bed your eyes
circled dark as mine scan the patterns
of stretch marks on my breasts and
flabby belly and, as if you'd read
my thoughts, you ease onto
our marriage bed, slide
fingertips and lips from toes to
thighs, hips to lips, making
memory until our baby cries.
- Bernadette L. Wagner
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Peter J Ross
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> Lamia wrote:
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> > What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
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> My guess is he'd call the following a poem:
If so, I'd agree with him.
Very nice work.
PJR :-)
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"There must be no clichés, set phrases, stereotyped journalese. The only
escape from such is by precision, a result of concentrated attention to what
one is writing."
Ezra Pound (from a letter to Harriet Monroe)
Wagner Mitchell Family
I wasn't fishing for compliments, Peter, but thanks, anyway!
B-)
j r sherman
>I once was bitten in the butt. I didn't know what it was. I went to the
>doctor and was surprised to hear him say, as he crouched down behind me, "My
>God! Those are villanelle toothmarks!" I admit I didn't know, and I was
>embarrassed. The moral? Practice safe sex. Stick with committed couplets.
who could argue with such wisdom?
love and kisses,
j r sherman
Karen Tellefsen
who posted really good poems here. I think
JR considered his work poetry.
"Lamia" <duho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kenny A. Chaffin
misty...@yahoo.com says...
Yep....
KAC
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j r sherman
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>> What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
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>> --
>> Lamia
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>To expound a bit:
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>The thing is J R wouldn't know a poem if it bit him in the butt.
man! how many times do i have to do this?
oh well.....
WHAT IS POETRY? The Yardstick To Measure Anything:
Nixon? POETRY(he's too insane NOT to be!)
Bush(Sr.) Not Poetry.
The Snake River at Dawn? POETRY
I5 Below Stockton? Not Poetry
The Carter Family? POETRY
The Osmond Family? Not Poetry
The B-17 Bomber? POETRY
The B-1 Bomber? Not Poetry
The Thin Red Line(book or movie) POETRY
Platoon? Not Poetry
Velvet Elvis, Jesus or Dogs Playing Cards Painting? POETRY
Pastel Flower Print To Match Your Couch? Not Poetry
Last Temptation of Christ Jesus? POETRY
Great Story Ever Told Jesus? Not Poetry
56' Chevy? POETRY
2001 Anything? Not Poetry
1980 Raiders? POETRY
1999 Ravens? Not Poetry
Kraftwerk? POETRY
Trent Reznor? Not Poetry
it's as easy to understand as that!
ZPhysics
The question is who is j r ?
And why value his opinion?
/z.
Antti Luode
news:20010314032727...@ng-cj1.aol.com...
> The question is who is j r ?
> And why value his opinion?
>
> /z.
I try to keep this short:
He is the brother of Bobby.
Because he owns the Eving oil!
Antti
Elvira Selow
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is he
a jammin' rocker
a jealous ripper
a jolly revolutionary
a jittery ruffian
a jesting rogue
a jeering rowdy
a jabbing rival
or maybe
a jumbo relish?
Elvira ;)
Kenny A. Chaffin
Kenny A. Chaffin
Karen Tellefsen
"ZPhysics" <zphy...@aol.com> wrote in message
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He's a guy named Sherman who
live in southern Califonia.
> And why value his opinion?
>
Now this is the question. He's rude,
occasional crude, but he's often right
in his unpleasant way. His credibility
diminishes because of the way he
trolls for trolls, but I think he enjoys it.
I like JR in a funny way, but the "punishing
the stupid" is ugly.
Honestly, JR is easily ignored, so why
is his opinion valued so nuch by his
detractors?
> /z.
>
Karen Tellefsen
"Kenny A. Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
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> In article <20010314032727...@ng-cj1.aol.com>,
> zphy...@aol.com says...
> > >
> > >There used to be a guy named Mike McNeilley
> > >who posted really good poems here. I think
> > >JR considered his work poetry.
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >"Lamia" <duho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:98jaq1$18s9$3...@news.vol.cz...
> > >> What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
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> > >> --
> > >> Lamia
> >
> > The question is who is j r ?
> > And why value his opinion?
> >
> > /z.
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> my point exactly!
So ignore him already. The point that has been
over-made by you was done far better by Zita in two
short lines, with typical Zitaesque dignity. You could
use a little of that dignity.
j r sherman
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>> >
>> >There used to be a guy named Mike McNeilley
>> >who posted really good poems here. I think
>> >JR considered his work poetry.
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >"Lamia" <duho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:98jaq1$18s9$3...@news.vol.cz...
>> >> What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
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>> >> --
>> >> Lamia
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>> The question is who is j r ?
>> And why value his opinion?
>>
>> /z.
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> who is j r ?
> --------------------
>
> is he
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> a jammin' rocker
i wish. when i was 12 i wanted to be in a rock band. but only for the girls.
now my plan is to put together an inane teen boys band that i can exploit to the
inth degree. god bless america!
> a jealous ripper
again, when i was 12 i read a book on jack the ripper and thought he was a
member of the Brit Royal Family.
> a jolly revolutionary
when i was 16 i wanted to be a revolutionary. until i figured out that
revolutionaries spend most of their life in prison. hence ended my revolutionary
period.
also, i had to hang out with real morons. revolutionaries are so damned boring!
what's that line from the movie Reds, where Jack Nicholson is playing Eugene
O'Neill, and he's talking to Louise Bryant, and he says, "you and Jack(meaning
John Reed, the guy who wrote Ten Days That Shook The World, not a bad book,
actually) think that if you talk about Russia before you have sex with someone,
it's missionary work!"
> a jittery ruffian
too much coffee!
> a jesting rogue
who's jesting? :D
> a jeering rowdy
this one i like!
> a jabbing rival
heh.
> or maybe
>
> a jumbo relish?
jumbo relish! they used to have that for hotdogs at baseball games!
>Elvira ;)
not a bad series of descriptions. :)
j r sherman
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a damned good question.
>And why value his opinion?
MEEEEEow city!
Idon'tThinkso
> The question is who is j r ?
> And why value his opinion?
>
> /z.
The who part goes beyond the rational and imaginary scope of my thinking
when it comes to anyone. I prefer to leave who open perhaps for an aspect
of the reasoning behind Morpheal's Manifesto; people change. It seems
reasonable to view a person as unpredictable than to be surprised against
expectations. With that said, I might have defined who with a bit of
rational and imaginary thought after all.
The why part is simple. Valuing opinion means being open to a different
perspective than one's own. If that opinion means opening up one's
proverbial leaves to the light side then the dark side contrasts itself
against more than a mirror, or worse, itself. In other words, another
person's opinion sheds light on an otherwise blind side. Valuing opinion
doesn't mean adopting opinion as one's own, necessarily. It means thorough
research for lack of a better metaphor.
These answers take into consideration more than j r as the subject. They
apply to the multi-faceted, populated world.
Thanks for the questions, /z. It's fun to write in this style. :-)
Sherrie Lee
Goddess
"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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.> >
> > a jumbo relish?
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> jumbo relish! they used to have that for hotdogs at baseball games!
Well, I don't know if jr is a relish, but *I* certainly relish him. He's
tangy. :-)
> >Elvira ;)
>
> not a bad series of descriptions. :)
>
Marg
Wagner Mitchell Family
Kenny Chaffin wrote:
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> One way of course of dealing with this is
> to simply put them in your kill file and ignore them, which I suppose is
> the better way to deal with it.
And that's where you're now going. Somebody please let me know if he
ever writes anything worth reading.
B-\
gga...@excite.com
<wagm...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Somebody please let me know if he
>ever writes anything worth reading.
>
>B-\
Read this: http://www.kacweb.com/poems/heartsongs.html
What do you think the odds are that he will ever write anything worth
reading?
gg
"In early 1993 Kenny went into a sort of poetic trance and guided by
the muse produced hundreds of poems. He subsequently
collected these poems and others into topical chapbooks which he has
self-published." Kenny Chaffin
Scott Murphy
"RSommo":
> "Scott Murphy":
> > Rule 1 of Poem Club is:
> <...>
>
> I want a poem club! I do! I'll use it to bash poems! That'll teach 'em!
>
> thanks everso,
>
> R.
Rule 1 of Pun Club is. . .
-Murphy
Peter J Ross
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> I agree completely, maybe I misunderstand what you're saying.
Irresistible.
PJR :-)
--
"I agree completely, maybe I misunderstand what you're saying."
Kenny "Sig-Files-R-Us" Chaffin
TerryMcCa
>What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
>
Having read some of his "religious" poetry, his definition seems to be that a
poem is a string of words artfully slaved over to conspicuously display his
level of craft and application of metaphor. In fairness, his poetry (for what
it is) isn't terrible, but it isn't great either. But he can dish out the
waspish humor and insults-and some people here must love-or at least-tolerate
it for the sake of being approved by fellow poets.
As Bob Dylan once said, "Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters." Find
your poetic voice by reading poetry, writing poetry, going to as many readings
as possible. And, of course, remembering not to treat Eminent Poets and
publication editors as if they were Jesus resurrected on Earth. Let J.R. be
J.R. and you be yourself.
Terry McCarty-Poetry Links page at
http://hometown.aol.com/TerryMcCa/links.html
Kenny Chaffin
p...@britishlibrary.net says...
KAC
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Poetry Page: http://www.kacweb.com/poems/poetryindex.html
Kenny Chaffin
says...
of us.
Kenny Chaffin
Wonder when you'll ever write anything worth reading?
Joy Yourcenar
<wagm...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:
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>Kenny Chaffin wrote:
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>> In article <Ipas6.38130$zV3.2...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
>> re...@rjames.com says...
>> >
>> > "Kenny Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
>> > news:MPG.151ade921...@news.dimensional.com...
>> >
>> > > When you going to write and post us a poem JR?
>> > >
>> > > KAC
>> >
>> > *****jesus h! you're what, eleven?
>> >
>> > Renay
>> >
>> > (is kac a name or a sound?)
>> >
>
>KAC is the sound you'll all hear when I put my hands around and squeeze
>the neck of this lil effer who doesn't have an effen clue about how to
>participate in a newsgroup and who thinks he's some god's gift to
>readers of poetry!
>
>B-)
>
And Canadians are supposed to be the nice ones. Heh.
Joy
Joy Yourcenar
Mythologies http://ebb.ns.ca/myth
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I am the milkman of human kindness, so leave an extra pint.
~Billy Bragg~
j r sherman
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>>What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
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>
>Having read some of his "religious" poetry,
curious. is something "religious" merely because the them of the work deals with
a religious subject?
Raiders of the Lost Ark deals with a religious artifact, but it's a hardly a
"religious" movie.
>his definition seems to be that a
>poem is a string of words artfully slaved over to conspicuously display his
>level of craft and application of metaphor.
all the best ones are.
i take it you feel poetry is something never slaved over, and should never
display any attempt at an excellent level of craft?
>In fairness, his poetry (for what
>it is) isn't terrible, but it isn't great either. But he can dish out the
>waspish humor and insults-and some people here must love-or at least-tolerate
>it for the sake of being approved by fellow poets.
no they don't. no one needs to accept anything i have to say, ever. if i have
friends who post here, they are my friends, not because of what i post, but
because they are my friends.
it's a pretty simple idea when you give it some thought.
but since you seem to embrace the idea that thinking, whether it be in your
poetry, or anything else, is a waste of time, a comment like this does not
surprise me.
>As Bob Dylan once said, "Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters." Find
>your poetic voice by reading poetry, writing poetry, going to as many readings
>as possible.
gee, i've never said this before.
i guess where we disagree is that to be good at anything requires work. you guys
seem to think all this shit is "magic", mystically created from heaven, or some
such nonsense.
>And, of course, remembering not to treat Eminent Poets and
>publication editors as if they were Jesus resurrected on Earth. Let J.R. be
>J.R. and you be yourself.
how nice.
j r sherman
>
><wagm...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:
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>>Kenny Chaffin wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <Ipas6.38130$zV3.2...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
>>> re...@rjames.com says...
>>> >
>>> > "Kenny Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:MPG.151ade921...@news.dimensional.com...
>>> >
>>> > > When you going to write and post us a poem JR?
>>> > >
>>> > > KAC
>>> >
>>> > *****jesus h! you're what, eleven?
>>> >
>>> > Renay
>>> >
>>> > (is kac a name or a sound?)
>>> >
>>
>>KAC is the sound you'll all hear when I put my hands around and squeeze
>>the neck of this lil effer who doesn't have an effen clue about how to
>>participate in a newsgroup and who thinks he's some god's gift to
>>readers of poetry!
>>
>>B-)
>>
>
>And Canadians are supposed to be the nice ones. Heh.
>
>
>Joy
ain't "Kac" the sound cats make when they're coughing up fur balls?
Wagner Mitchell Family
kac is what you say when you read what KAC writes!
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!
B-)
Wagner Mitchell Family
Joy Yourcenar wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:04:43 GMT, Wagner Mitchell Family
> <wagm...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Kenny Chaffin wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <Ipas6.38130$zV3.2...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
> >> re...@rjames.com says...
> >> >
> >> > "Kenny Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:MPG.151ade921...@news.dimensional.com...
> >> >
> >> > > When you going to write and post us a poem JR?
> >> > >
> >> > > KAC
> >> >
> >> > *****jesus h! you're what, eleven?
> >> >
> >> > Renay
> >> >
> >> > (is kac a name or a sound?)
> >> >
> >
> >KAC is the sound you'll all hear when I put my hands around and squeeze
> >the neck of this lil effer who doesn't have an effen clue about how to
> >participate in a newsgroup and who thinks he's some god's gift to
> >readers of poetry!
> >
> >B-)
> >
>
> And Canadians are supposed to be the nice ones. Heh.
>
> Joy
>
Oops!
Um, I forgot?
TerryMcCa
>i take it you feel poetry is something never slaved over, and should never
>display any attempt at an excellent level of craft?
I wouldn't go that far, but I tend to appreciate poetry that isn't so
self-consciously crafted. I prefer reading Bukowski or even a Bukowski
imitator such as actor Michael Madsen. In short, I prefer poetic language to
be more blunt than aromatic.
>but since you seem to embrace the idea that thinking, whether it be in your
>poetry, or anything else, is a waste of time, a comment like this does not
>surprise me.
You haven't read enough of my poetry to make such a statement-and I should
say-to be fair- that three or four poems of yours using Biblical metaphors
probably isn't an accurate summary of the sherman canon.
>i guess where we disagree is that to be good at anything requires work. you
>guys
>seem to think all this shit is "magic", mystically created from heaven, or
>some
>such nonsense.
:) I won't dignify that with a response.
>>And, of course, remembering not to treat Eminent Poets and
>>publication editors as if they were Jesus resurrected on Earth. Let J.R. be
>>J.R. and you be yourself.
>
>how nice.
How true.
Terry McCarty-visit my Poetry Links page at
http://hometown.aol.com/TerryMcCa/links.html
Lmdelsanto
>occasional crude, but he's often right
>in his unpleasant way. His credibility
>diminishes because of the way he
>trolls for trolls, but I think he enjoys it.
>I like JR in a funny way, but the "punishing
>the stupid" is ugly.
I agree. He is harmless in a Hannibal sort of way. He will bite your words
if he needs be. But its okay -- I still love him.
Angel
j r sherman
>
>
>news:20010314032727...@ng-cj1.aol.com...
>> >
>> >There used to be a guy named Mike McNeilley
>> >who posted really good poems here. I think
>> >JR considered his work poetry.
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >"Lamia" <duho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:98jaq1$18s9$3...@news.vol.cz...
>> >> What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Lamia
>>
>> The question is who is j r ?
>
>He's a guy named Sherman who
>live in southern Califonia.
Northern, my dear. in 1983 i was one of many responsible for sending a letter to
the then Soviet Union asking them that if they ever dropped nuclear bombs on
California, please contain such merriment to Southern California. no one would
miss them.
then we got real drunk and called then President Reagan. the funny part of that
whole evening was that the White House operator told us that he wasn't home, but
that we could leave a message.
ahhhh, youth.
>> And why value his opinion?
>>
>Now this is the question. He's rude,
>occasional crude, but he's often right
>in his unpleasant way.
just like Charles Manson sometimes.
>His credibility
>diminishes because of the way he
>trolls for trolls,
i had credibility to begin with? news to me!
>but I think he enjoys it.
i do.
>I like JR in a funny way, but the "punishing
>the stupid" is ugly.
uh, i don't know, K, how else are the stupid going to know when they're being
stupid? if we let them continue on their merry, stupid way, where's the
lesson(not to mention the fun) in that?
in America the stupid have a right to be stupid. but the smart have a right to
point out to the stupid how stupid they really are.
for better or worse i am necessary to the world's survival. YES, i know that's a
scary thought, but i'm sorry, i cannot morally allow an entire generation
believe that the movie JFK is accurate history, or that the Civil War was fought
over States Rights and not slavery, or that Madonna can sing, or that the French
can make movies, or that most pro-lifers aren't just puppets for evil men who
are threatened by womens rights, or that homophobes are just misunderstood
instead of the worst kind of stupid people alive, or... hell, the list is
endless, as well you know.
YES, i do enjoy my crusade, but that doesn't mean the crusade isn't important.
>Honestly, JR is easily ignored,
and no one does it better than me!
>so why
>is his opinion valued so nuch by his
>detractors?
the eternal question! even i, with all my brilliance, can't figure that one out.
oh well....
Kenny Chaffin
p...@britishlibrary.net says...
> "Wagner Mitchell Family" <wagm...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3AAE3BB0...@sk.sympatico.ca...
> >
> >
> > Lamia wrote:
> > >
> > > What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
> > >
>
> If so, I'd agree with him.
>
> >
>
Trying to make a friend Peter?
Scott Murphy
> I ask again what is the group about posting and critiquing poems or petty
> egos?
Rule 1 of Poem Club is:
You can't defend a poem.
Rule 2 of Poem Club is:
You can't defend a poem.
Rule 3 of Poem Club is:
Sherman will fight with you, if you want.
Rule 4 of Poem Club is:
Gamble will fight with you, if you want.
Rule 5 of Poem Club is:
Ross will join in if there's already a fight.
Rule 6 of Poem Club is:
"Lynda" is a 'bot. It types "tights."
Rule 7 of Poem club is:
If this is your first night at Poem Club, it will
*stay* your first night until you get a clue about
rules 1 through 6. Just like Groundhog Day.
-Murphy
Idon'tThinkso
> Ok, what's the group about, poetry or ego building?
>
> How often have you seen JR, GG, Lynda, or PJR post a poem for comment and
> how often have you seen them provide a resonable critique of a posted
> poem without trying to belittle the poet in order to build up their tiny
> egos?
>
> I ask again what is the group about posting and critiquing poems or petty
> egos?
I once knew a person who strutted onto this newsgroup and touted that
there's nothing but a bunch of peacocks here displaying their trains and
puffing their chests (paraphrased as my words are clearly more creative ;-).
This person was not joking.
Oh Life.
Sherrie Lee
j r sherman
>
>
>> Yep, but isn't that what I said, <grin>.
>
>Drink the Kool-Ade.
>
>-Murphy
this reminds me of a song.... doesn't everything?
jim jones(all apologies to Bob Dylan, of course)
----------
1. Come and listen for a moment, lads,
And hear me tell my tale.
How across the sea from Oakland
I was condemned to sail.
how the jury found me guilty,
Then says the judge, says he,
"Oh, for life, i'm sending you to Jim Jones"
Across the stormy sea.
But take a tip before you ship
To join the People's temple gang.
Don't get too gay in Gee-on-nay,
Or else you'll surely hang.
Or else you'll surely hang," says he.
2. And our ship was high upon the sea
Then Ecuadorians came along,
But the police on our convict ship
Were full five hundred strong.
For they opened fire and somehow drove
Those Ecuadorians away.
But I'd rather have joined that Ecuadorian ship
Than gone to Gee-on-nay.
With the storms ragin' round us,
And the winds a-blowin' gale,
I'd rather have drowned in misery
Than gone to drink Kool-Aid.
3. Now it's day and night and the church bells do clang,
And like poor galley slaves
We toil and toil, and when we die
we fill all those stinking graves,
And it's by and by I'll slip my chains,
Well, into the bush I'll go
And I'll join the congressmen there,
and they'll regret that they sent me,
In chains to Gee-on-nay .
ZPhysics
/z.
Kenny Chaffin
>
> >so why
> >is his opinion valued so nuch by his
> >detractors?
>
> the eternal question! even i, with all my brilliance, can't figure that one out.
>
> oh well....
>
> love and kisses,
>
> j r sherman
>
>
When you going to write and post us a poem JR?
KAC
Kenny Chaffin
says...
Yep, but isn't that what I said, <grin>?
RSommo
renay
> When you going to write and post us a poem JR?
>
> KAC
*****jesus h! you're what, eleven?
RSommo
> >
<...>
> Ok, what's the group about, poetry or ego building?
This group isn't "about" anything.
Trust me, it's in the faq.
>
> How often have you seen JR, GG, Lynda, or PJR post a poem for comment and
> how often have you seen them provide a resonable critique of a posted
> poem without trying to belittle the poet in order to build up their tiny
> egos?
a. Zillions of times. Hang out a few years, you'll understand.
b. There are no tiny egos on rap. Again, in the faq.
>
> I ask again what is the group about posting and critiquing poems or petty
> egos?
>
> KAC
>
Same to you.
R.S.
Kenny Chaffin
Ok, what's the group about, poetry or ego building?
How often have you seen JR, GG, Lynda, or PJR post a poem for comment and
how often have you seen them provide a resonable critique of a posted
poem without trying to belittle the poet in order to build up their tiny
egos?
I ask again what is the group about posting and critiquing poems or petty
egos?
KAC
Scott Murphy
Karen Tellefsen
> In article <Ipas6.38130$zV3.2...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
> re...@rjames.com says...
> >
> > "Kenny Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.151ade921...@news.dimensional.com...
> >
> > > When you going to write and post us a poem JR?
> > >
> > > KAC
> >
> > *****jesus h! you're what, eleven?
> >
> > Renay
> >
> > (is kac a name or a sound?)
> >
paper as "kaccy", but then my kid brother called me
"Kaken," or Kak for short. "Linda" was abbreviated to
"Duh." Nice kid.
>
> How often have you seen JR, GG, Lynda, or PJR post a poem for comment
Peter does, he's just less prolific than some
others because he spends some time on his poetic work.
Peter and Gary frequently provide helpful critiques.
JR, well, is JR. Lynda has to get used to being
in with the in crowd.
and
> how often have you seen them provide a resonable critique of a posted
> poem without trying to belittle the poet in order to build up their tiny
> egos?
>
Peter and Gary frequently provide helpful critiques.
JR, well, is JR. Lynda has to get used to being
in with the in-crowd. I daresay she'll get bored of
men in tights eventually and settle down.
> I ask again what is the group about posting and critiquing poems or petty
> egos?
>
Both.
ZPhysics
>> >
>> > Lamia wrote:
>> > >
>> > > What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
>> > >
>> > My guess is he'd call the following a poem:
>>
>> If so, I'd agree with him.
>>
>> >
>>
>
>Trying to make a friend Peter?
>
>KAC
>--
>Kenny A. Chaffin
Kenny, the problem is that perhaps people want to make friends here in order to
have support in discussions groups like this. If one's poem speaks well,
people will appreciate the poem -- alliances belong in 'Survivor".
/z.
Kenny Chaffin
zphy...@aol.com says...
I agree completely, maybe I misunderstand what you're saying.
KAC
--
Kenny A. Chaffin
Texas Max King
. . . have we answered the question yet? What do you consider poetry?
seems more important . . . to me anyways.
faqs are faqs
Kenny . . . it is a poetry newsgroup
as poets we need flies, and bees and germs like
everyone else . . . or the world wouldn't be real
and we wouldn't be 'real' poets right?
If anyones' idea of a poetry newsgroup
is a pretty little place where you only get to here
pretty things and you block out what you might sometimes
consider 'ugly voices' . . . then you're not a poet . . .
your just another _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (fill in favorite word, eg. dictator,
fascist, ignorant, etc.)
because poetry can only thrive in an open forum
that is the way voices are heard . . . not always pretty
. . . and not always loved to be heard by everyone, for sure.
But voices is what poetry is about (I'll explain some other time . . .)
and if you tell folks what they can or can't say about
what some voices consider poetry . . .
well . . . then again you've missed the stanza.
Poets need someone to piss on them on occasion, like everyone else
the difference is we like to know why we're being pissed on
and if we don't feel your reason is good enough
we'll piss right back on you
with all the ardent fervor of an elephant.
Why spend your life pissing . . . when you can write instead
I never understood that one.
-Max (missing but never gone)
Kenny Chaffin
max...@pstx.com says...
Max, good comments and you're right about the openness required for
poetry to thrive. I'm not sure why you got the impression I want
everything to be a rosy beatiful world, that just ain't the case. The
thing poets need is feed back on their poetry. Poetry is communication it
requires a response to live and grow. The purpose of this newsgroup is to
provied one place where that can happen and it does. The problem for me
is the posters like gg, jr, pjr, and their follower/wannabe's that seem
to just want to belittle others, build their own egos, and never seem to
post any poetry of their own. One way of course of dealing with this is
to simply put them in your kill file and ignore them, which I suppose is
the better way to deal with it. It is after all an open unmoderated
newsgroup so their postings must be dealt with. I am certainly tiring of
dealing with it, so maybe it's back to the kill file with them. Ah, well,
such is life.
Best,
Wagner Mitchell Family
Kenny Chaffin wrote:
>
> In article <Ipas6.38130$zV3.2...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
> re...@rjames.com says...
> >
> > "Kenny Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.151ade921...@news.dimensional.com...
> >
> > > When you going to write and post us a poem JR?
> > >
> > > KAC
> >
> > *****jesus h! you're what, eleven?
> >
> > Renay
> >
> > (is kac a name or a sound?)
> >
KAC is the sound you'll all hear when I put my hands around and squeeze
the neck of this lil effer who doesn't have an effen clue about how to
participate in a newsgroup and who thinks he's some god's gift to
readers of poetry!
B-)
--------------------------------------------
Joy Yourcenar
wrote:
>ain't "Kac" the sound cats make when they're coughing up fur balls?
>
>love and kisses,
>
>j r sherman
actually, that's "hairball" and it's spelled "FRF".
Joy
Joy Yourcenar
Mythologies http://ebb.ns.ca/myth
icon/graphy http://ebb.ns.ca/icon
I am the milkman of human kindness, so leave an extra pint.
~Billy Bragg~
j r sherman
>
>>i take it you feel poetry is something never slaved over, and should never
>>display any attempt at an excellent level of craft?
>
>I wouldn't go that far, but I tend to appreciate poetry that isn't so
>self-consciously crafted.
yeah, self-consciously crafted is what some may call "work". why do so many of
you hate it when i point out the reality of things?
i guess it's like telling a Baptist that all his/or/her wailing, praying and
hatred isn't going to change anything.
>I prefer reading Bukowski or even a Bukowski
>imitator such as actor Michael Madsen.
i prefer Mickey O'Rourke.
>In short, I prefer poetic language to
>be more blunt than aromatic.
sure, i like blunt as well as anyone, as long as it's done by someone who knows
what they're doing and makes an effort. the aimless ramblings of a drunk aren't
all that impressive to me.
>>but since you seem to embrace the idea that thinking, whether it be in your
>>poetry, or anything else, is a waste of time, a comment like this does not
>>surprise me.
>
>You haven't read enough of my poetry to make such a statement-and I should
>say-to be fair- that three or four poems of yours using Biblical metaphors
>probably isn't an accurate summary of the sherman canon.
glad you came to that conclusion, once i pointed it out to you, of course.
>>i guess where we disagree is that to be good at anything requires work. you
>>guys
>>seem to think all this shit is "magic", mystically created from heaven, or
>>some
>>such nonsense.
>
>:) I won't dignify that with a response.
whether you do or not doesn't make my comments any less true. poetry is like
building a house, there's no fucking "magic" to it. you just have to work at it,
and learn how to do it well.
sorry to take all the romance out of it. i guess it's like telling someone that
all "love" really is is the ability to stand the other person longer than other
people that you've met. oh, and the sex is good, for the most part.
no one likes to hear that.
heh, too bad.
>>>And, of course, remembering not to treat Eminent Poets and
>>>publication editors as if they were Jesus resurrected on Earth. Let J.R. be
>>>J.R. and you be yourself.
>>
>>how nice.
>
>How true.
isn't it just?
Bruce Tindall
>hatred isn't going to change anything.
Yep, that nasty ol' Baptist preacher Martin Luther King sure
was full of hatred and sure didn't change anything, did he? ;-)
Back to the analogy drawing board with you.
--
Bruce Tindall :: tin...@panix.com
renay
"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:98us2...@drn.newsguy.com...
> ain't "Kac" the sound cats make when they're coughing up fur balls?
>
> love and kisses,
*****no, it sounds more like "frf".
heh.
Renay
Joy Yourcenar
Ba-da-bing!
j r sherman
>
>>i guess it's like telling a Baptist that all his/or/her wailing, praying and
>>hatred isn't going to change anything.
>
>Yep, that nasty ol' Baptist preacher Martin Luther King sure
>was full of hatred and sure didn't change anything, did he? ;-)
>
>Back to the analogy drawing board with you.
okay, so i should have added "for the better".
thanks to him we have the snake handlers flourishing nicely. the universal
church would have rightfully burned all of them as heretics.
love and kisses,
j r sherman
p.s. to be precise, the Calvinists were much more severe than the Luthereans.
aka chelsea corazon
i think (poetically speaking)
Rule 5 should have been:
Sherman will fight with you, if you don't want.
that, of course, would bump all the others down 1 rule.
what do you think murphy?
chelsea
aka chelsea corazon
good to hear that the ng hasn't changed much since i was last here, karen.
it's sad though. but i mean when i say that: loopy-tragicomic-mime sad, not
anachronistic-2nd-amendment sad or maximum-security-prisoners'-attack-dog-ripping-out-throat
sad
chelsea
(aka karen, or as attemptedly nicknamed by my younger sisters; 'kare' or 'karrots')
aka chelsea corazon
TerryMcCa wrote:
>
> j r sherman wrote (in part):
> >i take it you feel poetry is something never slaved over, and should never
> >display any attempt at an excellent level of craft?
>
> I wouldn't go that far, but I tend to appreciate poetry that isn't so
> self-consciously crafted. I prefer reading Bukowski or even a Bukowski
> imitator such as actor Michael Madsen. In short, I prefer poetic language to
> be more blunt than aromatic.
wow. michael madsen writes poetry?? that must be mindblowing. do you have
titles, books, or publishing data on anything he has written?
chelsea
>
> >but since you seem to embrace the idea that thinking, whether it be in your
> >poetry, or anything else, is a waste of time, a comment like this does not
> >surprise me.
>
> You haven't read enough of my poetry to make such a statement-and I should
> say-to be fair- that three or four poems of yours using Biblical metaphors
> probably isn't an accurate summary of the sherman canon.
>
> >i guess where we disagree is that to be good at anything requires work. you
> >guys
> >seem to think all this shit is "magic", mystically created from heaven, or
> >some
> >such nonsense.
>
> :) I won't dignify that with a response.
>
> >>And, of course, remembering not to treat Eminent Poets and
> >>publication editors as if they were Jesus resurrected on Earth. Let J.R. be
> >>J.R. and you be yourself.
> >
> >how nice.
>
> How true.
>
> Terry McCarty-visit my Poetry Links page at
> http://hometown.aol.com/TerryMcCa/links.html
Karen Tellefsen
I ought to know, having done two years in
catechism class, including the monkey trial
with me as Clarence Darrow.
Martin Luther KING was baptist.
I never could understand why my Dad moved
to Alabama, even if he does have an amazing
view from his deck. As he puts it, "the snake
handlers live on the mountain next door."
This isn't fiction.
"j r sherman" <jr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9910h...@drn.newsguy.com...
Jonathan Penton
news:3AB4255F...@sirius.com...
*I* think it's splendid. Rather like the Siamese cats from Lady and the
Tramp. He's utterly captivating, thin on content, and the impressionable
like to sing along.
--
Jonathan Penton
Unlikely Stories
http://www.unlikelystories.org
Lynda
Kenny Chaffin wrote:
>
> In article <Ipas6.38130$zV3.2...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
> re...@rjames.com says...
> >
> > "Kenny Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.151ade921...@news.dimensional.com...
> >
> > > When you going to write and post us a poem JR?
> > >
> > > KAC
> >
> > *****jesus h! you're what, eleven?
> >
> > Renay
> >
> > (is kac a name or a sound?)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Ok, what's the group about, poetry or ego building?
>
> How often have you seen JR, GG, Lynda, or PJR post a poem for comment and
> how often have you seen them provide a resonable critique of a posted
> poem without trying to belittle the poet in order to build up their tiny
> egos?
>
> I ask again what is the group about posting and critiquing poems or petty
> egos?
>
> KAC
tights.
--
"Nor am I. I grew up long ago but apparently there are several here
that
have not, they wallow in building their petty egos, abuse of others
and
have no knowledge of the real world of poetry. As with you I will no
longer waste my time on these people. "
KAC
Lynda
"Kenny A. Chaffin" wrote:
>
> In article <98nj9q$vlm$06$1...@news.t-online.com>, sis...@t-online.de
> says...
> > "ZPhysics":
> > > >
> > > >There used to be a guy named Mike McNeilley
> > > >who posted really good poems here. I think
> > > >JR considered his work poetry.
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >"Lamia" <duho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:98jaq1$18s9$3...@news.vol.cz...
> > > >> What does JR consider as " poetry " ?
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Lamia
> > >
> > > The question is who is j r ?
> > > And why value his opinion?
> > >
> > > /z.
> >
> > who is j r ?
> > --------------------
> >
> > is he
> >
> > a jammin' rocker
> > a jealous ripper
> > a jolly revolutionary
> > a jittery ruffian
> > a jesting rogue
> > a jeering rowdy
> > a jabbing rival
> >
> > or maybe
> >
> > a jumbo relish?
> >
> > Elvira ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> jelly roll sherman
>
> KAC
> --
> KAC Website Design
> Custom Programming (java,Dynamo...), Web Design/Graphics
> ke...@kacweb.com - http://www.kacweb.com
> Poetry Page: http://www.kacweb.com/poems/poetryindex.html
--
Lynda
Karen Tellefsen wrote:
>
> "Kenny Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.151ae1e89...@news.dimensional.com...
> > In article <Ipas6.38130$zV3.2...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
> > re...@rjames.com says...
> > >
> > > "Kenny Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.151ade921...@news.dimensional.com...
> > >
> > > > When you going to write and post us a poem JR?
> > > >
> > > > KAC
> > >
> > > *****jesus h! you're what, eleven?
> > >
> > > Renay
> > >
> > > (is kac a name or a sound?)
> > >
> My secretary refers to what her Chihauha (sp) does on
> paper as "kaccy", but then my kid brother called me
> "Kaken," or Kak for short. "Linda" was abbreviated to
> "Duh." Nice kid.
>
> >
> > How often have you seen JR, GG, Lynda, or PJR post a poem for comment
>
> Peter does, he's just less prolific than some
> others because he spends some time on his poetic work.
>
> Peter and Gary frequently provide helpful critiques.
> JR, well, is JR. Lynda has to get used to being
> in with the in crowd.
i'm in with the in crowd?
>
> and
> > how often have you seen them provide a resonable critique of a posted
> > poem without trying to belittle the poet in order to build up their tiny
> > egos?
> >
> Peter and Gary frequently provide helpful critiques.
> JR, well, is JR. Lynda has to get used to being
> in with the in-crowd. I daresay she'll get bored of
> men in tights eventually and settle down.
twice! wow.
i'm already bored of "men" in tights.
:)
>
> > I ask again what is the group about posting and critiquing poems or petty
> > egos?
> >
>
> Both.
i wonder who's.
>
> > KAC
okay, that's a lie. i don't have to wonder.
L.
Lynda
Karen Tellefsen wrote:
>
> "Kenny A. Chaffin" <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Lamia
> > >
> > > The question is who is j r ?
> > > And why value his opinion?
> > >
> > > /z.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > my point exactly!
>
> So ignore him already. The point that has been
> over-made by you was done far better by Zita in two
> short lines, with typical Zitaesque dignity. You could
> use a little of that dignity.
he could use a LOT of it.
:)