OT: My Fair Lady
Joan in GB-W
Joan
Saturday, October 24, 2009; Posted: 03:10 PM - by BWW News Desk
The UK Telegraph's Mandrake reports that Keira Knightley been cast her
in the lead for the big screen remake of My Fair Lady. Mandrake
reveals that the actress beat out Scarlett Johansson for the part.
Director Joe Wright, who guided Knightley to much acclaim for her
performance in his Pride and Prejudice, has been chosen to helm the
film.
Last week, "Lady" Producer Duncan Kenworthy remarked "I think Keira
would be absolutely fabulous in it." The Telegraph reports that Emma
Thompson is writing the script for the film, for which A STEADY RAIN
star Daniel Craig has been mentioned as a possible Professor Henry
Higgins. To read the full article click here.
Rumors have been circulating since last summer suggesting Knightley
had secured the role made famous by Audrey Hepburn in the 1964
musical, based on George Bernard Shaw's comedy of manners, Pygmalion.
It was announced last summer that Columbia Pictures had entered into
an agreement with CBS Films to create a new motion picture of the
Lerner and Loewe classic musical My Fair Lady, to be produced by
Duncan Kenworthy and Cameron Mackintosh, the announcement came from
Doug Belgrad and Matt Tolmach, presidents of Columbia Pictures.
The new film will use the original songs of the much-loved Broadway
show, and will not alter its 1912 setting, but Kenworthy and
Mackintosh intend where possible to shoot the film on location in the
original London settings of Covent Garden, Drury Lane, Tottenham Court
Road, Wimpole Street, and Ascot racecourse. The filmmaking team will
also look to adapt Alan Jay Lerner's book more fully for the screen by
drawing additional material from Pygmalion -- George Bernard Shaw's
play that served as the source material for the musical - in order to
dramatize as believably as possible for present-day audiences the
emotional highs and lows of Eliza Doolittle as she undergoes the
ultimate makeover, transforming under the tutelage of Professor Henry
Higgins from a Cockney flower girl to a lady.
ell...@webtv.net
Ellen...appalled
Dorothy J Heydt
I dunno. Mind you, I've never seen any of his films except Tomb
Raider I. He wasn't very Higginsoid in that.
But he's an actor. Actors, British ones at least, take on
different personalities according to the roles in which they
are cast. Who knows.
I'm reminded of the time I went to see a production of _Das
Rheingold_ with a friend. I told him that Jess Thomas, one of
the great Heldentenors of the twentieth century, was singing Loge
and my friend said, "WHAT??? He can't play Loge, he's a great big
stupid Heldentenor." Well, most of the Heldentenor roles *are*
stupid, with Siegfried being the most notable example.
But I had seen him in Los Angeles a few years before, singing
Cavaradossi in _Tosca_. He was great, and not the least bit
stupid. And sure enough, he was the best Loge I've ever seen or
heard.
So who knows.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
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Nancy2
> Daniel Craig as 'enry 'iggins? madness, sheer madness.
>
> Ellen...appalled
It seems hardly possible that it's time for a remake already - 1964
was, like, yesterday! ;-)
Anyway, nobody will ever match the cast of that one.
N.
ell...@webtv.net
<<It seems hardly possible that it's time for a remake already - 1964
was, like, yesterday! ;-)
Aha! You're old too <insert appropriate emoticon here>!
Ell--uh--Old Beeg
K Barrett
Nah, if they *really* wanted to update the story for the 21st century
they'd merge 'Pygmalion' with 'The Collector' and have "street urchin"
Doolittle kidnapped and kept in a soundproof basement by a demented
Higgins. No one'd ever miss her. He'd remake her and have her all to
himself. Oh, wait. Wasn't that the last Lecter book?
K Barrett
the...@uwm.edu
: Nah, if they *really* wanted to update the story for the 21st century
: Doolittle kidnapped and kept in a soundproof basement by a demented
: Higgins. No one'd ever miss her. He'd remake her and have her all to
: himself. Oh, wait. Wasn't that the last Lecter book?
That's simply a slight variation of recent actual headline
stories.
--thelma
: K Barrett
Wes Struebing
<snickers>
It's THE definitive one for me! (never having seen "Pygmalion"...)
--
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Dorothy J Heydt
Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:28:18 -0400, ell...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>>Nancy 2 wrote:
>>
>><<It seems hardly possible that it's time for a remake already - 1964
>>was, like, yesterday! ;-)
>>
>>Aha! You're old too <insert appropriate emoticon here>!
>>
>>Ell--uh--Old Beeg
>
><snickers>
>
>It's THE definitive one for me! (never having seen "Pygmalion"...)
Well, you might look it up. It's available on DVD.
With Leslie Howard as Higgins and Wendy Hiller as Eliza. Note
that Shaw participated in writing the screenplay, *AND* he changed
the ending from its original form (Eliza leaves Higgins flat and
marries Freddy) to the version used in _MFL_ (Eliza comes back).
K Barrett
That was my point.
K Barrett
the...@uwm.edu
: That was my point.
Sorry, your last sentence about the Lechter book [I
haven't read those] tripped me up.
--thelma
: K Barrett
Janet
Daniel Craig.
Annie C
"Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I'd suggest that they try casting Daniel Day Lewis as Higgins instead of
> Daniel Craig.
Now that's a good idea.
I just cannot visualize Daniel Craig in that role, as much as I like his
other work.....
Annie
Mark Alan Miller
"Wes Struebing" <str...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:28:18 -0400, ell...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>>Nancy 2 wrote:
>>
>><<It seems hardly possible that it's time for a remake already - 1964
>>was, like, yesterday! ;-)
>>
>>Aha! You're old too <insert appropriate emoticon here>!
>>
>>Ell--uh--Old Beeg
>
> <snickers>
>
> It's THE definitive one for me! (never having seen "Pygmalion"...)
Some works can stand up to multiple versions, and Pygmalion already has.
The 1964 film preserved Rex Harrison's performance and Audrey Hepburn was
quite good, but it looked very artificial and stagy. I can see other actors
doing a fine, different job with this material and it would be nice to see
it filmed in its original locales. The big change would be to find a Henry
Higgins who can actually sing. Harrison's approach was necessary given the
limitations of his voice and was accomodated by the songwriters, but plenty
of later actors have showed that his songs can be sung normally, too, in the
shows frequent revivals. I've never heard either Knightley or Craig sings,
so who knows? Johnny Depp made a very effective, if unconventional, Sweeney
Todd. Too bad Helena Bonham-Carter couldn't manage Mrs. Lovett adequately
(the singing part -- her acting was fine).
Mark Alan Miller
Joan in GB-W
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Audrey Hepburn did not do her own singing in My Fair Lady. The very
talented Marni Nixon did the honors. Now there is a grand lady who deserves
more credit for her exceptional voice than ever she ever got. I don't
believe she got named in the credits for MFL and other films that in which
she dubbed.
How about Colin Firth for Higgins?
Joan
Janet
I love him, but NO! (Nor should he have been Darcy, IMHO. David Rintoul was
a marvelous Darcy in the best P&P ever. Anyone else see it?)
Wes Struebing
wrote:
>Joan in GB-W wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> How about Colin Firth for Higgins?
>>
>> Joan
>
>I love him, but NO! (Nor should he have been Darcy, IMHO. David Rintoul was
>a marvelous Darcy in the best P&P ever. Anyone else see it?)
>
I HAVE to be showing my age (either that or I just don't watch films
much anymore<G>), but just about anyone I can think of to play 'iggins
is a *bit* long in the tooth...
Oh, well.
Dorothy J Heydt
>
>a marvelous Darcy in the best P&P ever. Anyone else see it?)
Oh yes, yes, yes. I even have it on DVD. The moment when
Elizabeth hands him his proposal back, neatly sliced with the
sharp side of her tongue, and all he does is just barely *wince*
... there is an actor.
(The only other thing I've seen him in is the Ian Carmichael
_Five Red Herrings_, in which he played the irreverent and
irrepressible Jock Graham. He is, as I said, an actor.)
Dorothy J Heydt
Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:58:32 -0400, "Janet" <box...@maine.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Joan in GB-W wrote:
><snip>
>>>
>>> How about Colin Firth for Higgins?
>>>
>>> Joan
>>
>>I love him, but NO! (Nor should he have been Darcy, IMHO. David Rintoul was
>>a marvelous Darcy in the best P&P ever. Anyone else see it?)
>>
>I HAVE to be showing my age (either that or I just don't watch films
>much anymore<G>), but just about anyone I can think of to play 'iggins
>is a *bit* long in the tooth...
He's old enough to have spent several decades studying languages.
(I am suddenly reminded of one of my Linguistics professors, who
was about seventy when I studied with him and lived to be 101.)
>Oh, well.
Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
Johnny Depp?
Orlando Bloom????
(Ok, Bloom may be yet a little too *young*, but I betcha
he could pull it off.)
Dorothy J Heydt
Mike Burke <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote:
>
>It really does pain me to see old gems being recut and recycled for,
>apparently, no better reason than kidz these daze don't like anything
>older than themselves.
Wellllll.... I'm reminded of somebody's notes on _Hamlet_
(possibly Kittredge??), commenting that half the problem Hamlet
has with his mother's remarriage is that "to an adolescent, the
very thought of middle-aged sex is disgusting."
I recall the young folks' reaction to Ang Lee's _Sense and
Sensibility_: Emma Thompson as Elinor was "WAY TOO OLD" for Hugh
Grant as Edward. (She was thirty-six; he was thirty-five.)
>If it has to be done, my choice for Higgins would be our old mate Hugh
>Laurie.
Now THERE's an idea.
Janet
> In article <7l1ct8F...@mid.individual.net>,
> Janet <box...@maine.rr.com> wrote:
>> Joan in GB-W wrote:
>>>
>>> How about Colin Firth for Higgins?
>>
>> I love him, but NO! (Nor should he have been Darcy, IMHO. David
>> Rintoul was a marvelous Darcy in the best P&P ever. Anyone else see
>> it?)
>
> Oh yes, yes, yes. I even have it on DVD. The moment when
> Elizabeth hands him his proposal back, neatly sliced with the
> sharp side of her tongue, and all he does is just barely *wince*
> ... there is an actor.
>
> (The only other thing I've seen him in is the Ian Carmichael
> _Five Red Herrings_, in which he played the irreverent and
> irrepressible Jock Graham. He is, as I said, an actor.)
He appeared as a ship's doctor in the Hornblower series. He was great, as
always. And now that I come to think of it, I believe that he was the star
of a British tv series in which he played a doctor, possibly in the north of
England or Scotland.....off to IMDB.
Annie C
"Dorothy J Heydt" <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
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>
>>If it has to be done, my choice for Higgins would be our old mate Hugh
>>Laurie.
>
> Now THERE's an idea.
>
> --
> Dorothy J. Heydt
I definitely like this idea too!
Annie
Bud
>
> I remember at the time reading in, I think, Time magazine about why
> Hollywood had preferred Audrey Hepburn to Julie Andrews for the movie
> version of "My Fair Lady". Despite Andrews' brilliant and critically
> acclaimed Broadway performances in the stage version, the Hollywood
> mogels feared that she was too much of an unknown to warrant casting
> in the movie version. Hepburn was, of course, such a famously
> bankable star that had they bitten the bullet and preferred Andrews,
> and had the movie failed, the streets of Hollywood would no doubt have
> been awash with producers' blood, so I don't envy them the dilemma
> they faced. But after the incredible success of The Sound of Music,
> they must have wondered what might have been had they been just a tiny
> bit braver.
Hollywood would take a "bankable" star rather than an unknown any day.
> I suppose the younger generations need their own idols but I can't for
> the life of me understand why they need to remake old classics instead
> of actually proving that their generation is just as good as their
> parents' and grandparents' by creating new vehicles to display their
> talents. Just as Rodgers and Hammerstein were followed by Lerner
> and Loewe and, in turn, by Sondheim and Andrew Lloyd Webber, surely
> there must be talented people in the younger generations equally
> capable of creating entirely new shows.
Because it is cheaper to produce a known product rather than one that has
not proven to be so. The "younger generation" probably has not seen it
before. It could be a flop. Maybe the older generation will show up in
droves, who knows. Me, I didn't care for it. Musical films, operatic? are
just not to my liking. But that's me.
> It really does pain me to see old gems being recut and recycled for,
> apparently, no better reason than kidz these daze don't like anything
> older than themselves.
Now that is just cynical.
> If it has to be done, my choice for Higgins would be our old mate Hugh
> Laurie.
Fine by me, 'cause I wouldn't go no hows.
> Mique
--
Bud
barbara fister
> In article <dfvme5tcahpgb1vh4...@4ax.com>,
> Mike Burke <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote:
>> It really does pain me to see old gems being recut and recycled for,
>> apparently, no better reason than kidz these daze don't like anything
>> older than themselves.
>
> Wellllll.... I'm reminded of somebody's notes on _Hamlet_
> (possibly Kittredge??), commenting that half the problem Hamlet
> has with his mother's remarriage is that "to an adolescent, the
> very thought of middle-aged sex is disgusting."
Oddly enough, it's made clear in the play (in the graveyard scene, I
believe) that Hamlet is 30 years old. So either the Bard couldn't do
math or he didn't mean for him to be as young as we typically imagine him.
Barfly
Wes Struebing
Heydt) wrote:
<snip>
>
>Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
>
>Johnny Depp?
>
Dorothy J Heydt
Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:06 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
><snip>
>>
>>Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
>>
>>Johnny Depp?
>>
>Ooh! He would be a diabolical Higgins!
Only if he and the director decided that was the kind of Higgins
they wanted. He's an actor; he can act.
Pogonip
> In article <e5lpe59d5fiasql3p...@4ax.com>,
> Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:06 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> Heydt) wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
>>>
>>> Johnny Depp?
>>>
>> Ooh! He would be a diabolical Higgins!
>
> Only if he and the director decided that was the kind of Higgins
> they wanted. He's an actor; he can act.
>
Yes! He also looks entirely different, not just his face, but the way
he moves, even standing still, depending on the character he plays. He
is the most amazing actor.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
Joan in GB-W
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:06 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> Heydt) wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>>Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
>>
>>Johnny Depp?
>>
> Ooh! He would be a diabolical Higgins!
> --
>
> Wes Struebing
But don't you think he's too young. How about Liam Neeson?
Joan
Lynn Allen
How about somebody who can actually sing? Hugh Jackman.
--
--
Lymaree
Pogonip
> Then I'll go stark staring mad and top myself. :-)
>
> Mique
> (who wishes that La Blanchett - and Jackman for that matter - would
> stop confusing the real world with the stage)
But, Mique! All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely
players. Or so I've heard.
Dorothy J Heydt
Joan in GB-W <jjk...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"Wes Struebing" <str...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:e5lpe59d5fiasql3p...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:06 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> Heydt) wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>>Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
>>>
>>>Johnny Depp?
>>>
>> Ooh! He would be a diabolical Higgins!
>But don't you think he's too young. How about Liam Neeson?
He's, um ... born 1963 ... forty-five. Neeson was born 1952, so
fifty-six.
But I strongly suspect the chronological age of the actor isn't
as important as how well he can act. AFAIK I haven't seen Neeson
in anything, so I can't judge.
Joan in GB-W
"Lynn Allen" <ly...@NOT-semiotics.com> wrote in message
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You mean like Pierce Brosnan.
Joan (still in shock over Mama Mia)
Wes Struebing
wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <e5lpe59d5fiasql3p...@4ax.com>,
>> Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:06 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>> Heydt) wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny Depp?
>>>>
>>> Ooh! He would be a diabolical Higgins!
>>
>> Only if he and the director decided that was the kind of Higgins
>> they wanted. He's an actor; he can act.
>>
>
>Yes! He also looks entirely different, not just his face, but the way
>he moves, even standing still, depending on the character he plays. He
>is the most amazing actor.
I'll grant you both that (and I agree - he is a wonderful actor). But
he plays everything he does darkly. (well, except maybe when he was
on "Jumpstreet")
Mark Alan Miller
"Joan in GB-W" <jjk...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark Alan Miller" <mami...@sfdiamond.com> wrote in message
>> Some works can stand up to multiple versions, and Pygmalion already has.
>> The 1964 film preserved Rex Harrison's performance and Audrey Hepburn was
>> quite good, but it looked very artificial and stagy. I can see other
>> actors doing a fine, different job with this material and it would be
>> nice to see it filmed in its original locales. The big change would be
>> to find a Henry Higgins who can actually sing. Harrison's approach was
>> necessary given the limitations of his voice and was accomodated by the
>> songwriters, but plenty of later actors have showed that his songs can be
>> sung normally, too, in the shows frequent revivals. I've never heard
>> either Knightley or Craig sings, so who knows? Johnny Depp made a very
>> effective, if unconventional, Sweeney Todd. Too bad Helena Bonham-Carter
>> couldn't manage Mrs. Lovett adequately (the singing part -- her acting
>> was fine).
> Audrey Hepburn did not do her own singing in My Fair Lady. The very
> talented Marni Nixon did the honors. Now there is a grand lady who
> deserves more credit for her exceptional voice than ever she ever got. I
> don't believe she got named in the credits for MFL and other films that in
> which she dubbed.
I know, and her not singing is a point against the film. When she got the
part, she expected to sing, and there are recordings of her performing some
of the songs. It was decided she wasn't good enough, so they dubbed Nixon's
voice. When casting musicals, I'd really rather they find actors who can
sing, dance, and act. There are plenty of them out there, though not all
are big movie names. When I first heard that Depp was doing Sweeney, I was
surprised and mystified (his strong relationship with Tim Burton explained
it), but he really was quite good, in an unconventional way. But Depp had
singing experience, if not in musicals.
Mark Alan Miller
Mark Alan Miller
> In article <e5lpe59d5fiasql3p...@4ax.com>,
> Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:06 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>Heydt) wrote:
>><snip>
>>>
>>>Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
>>>
>>>Johnny Depp?
>>>
>>Ooh! He would be a diabolical Higgins!
>
> Only if he and the director decided that was the kind of Higgins
> they wanted. He's an actor; he can act.
And he can sing plenty well enough for this part. A lot better than Rex
Harrison could. Harrison sold those performances through personality and
the songs were tailored to his vocal limitations. I'd be quite happy with
Depp as Higgins, though it seems unlikely. Colin Firth would also be just
fine.
Mark Alan Miller
Mark Alan Miller
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:57:16 -0700, Pogonip <nob...@nowhere.org>
> wrote:
>
>>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <e5lpe59d5fiasql3p...@4ax.com>,
>>> Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:06 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>>> Heydt) wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
>>>>>
>>>>> Johnny Depp?
>>>>>
>>>> Ooh! He would be a diabolical Higgins!
>>>
>>> Only if he and the director decided that was the kind of Higgins
>>> they wanted. He's an actor; he can act.
>>>
>>
>>Yes! He also looks entirely different, not just his face, but the way
>>he moves, even standing still, depending on the character he plays. He
>>is the most amazing actor.
>
> I'll grant you both that (and I agree - he is a wonderful actor). But
> he plays everything he does darkly. (well, except maybe when he was
> on "Jumpstreet")
Higgins is a bit dark. He treats everyone abominably. A cuddly Higgins
would be a disaster.
Mark Alan Miller
Mark Alan Miller
"Mike Burke" <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:16:22 -0700, Lynn Allen
> <ly...@NOT-semiotics.com> wrote:
>
> Then I'll go stark staring mad and top myself. :-)
>
> Mique
> (who wishes that La Blanchett - and Jackman for that matter - would
> stop confusing the real world with the stage)
Personal lives aside, they are fine actors, and Jackman is also an excellent
singer. But I do think he's a little too young and much too pretty for
Higgins. Liam Neeson would be interesting, if he can sing.
Mark Alan Miller
Mark Alan Miller
>
> If it has to be done, my choice for Higgins would be our old mate Hugh
> Laurie.
Indeed. He can handle the perfect diction and can do imperious beautifully.
But can he sing? Probably well enough, though I'd really like an
experienced singer for Higgins this time around. Replicating Harrison's
speaking-on-pitch approach to the songs would, I think, be a big mistake, as
no one did it better than Harrison.
Mark Alan Miller
Nancy2
> I'd suggest that they try casting Daniel Day Lewis as Higgins instead of
> Daniel Craig.
Genius!
N.
Nancy2
> "Janet" <boxh...@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7l1162F...@mid.individual.net...
>
> > I'd suggest that they try casting Daniel Day Lewis as Higgins instead of
> > Daniel Craig.
>
>
> I just cannot visualize Daniel Craig in that role, as much as I like his
> other work.....
>
> Annie
I don't like Craig so far in anything - he lacks a certain expression
of bemusement and light heartedness (when there's a call for it) in
his Bond roles, which is key, I think. His lips are non-existent; all
he does is glare.
N.
Nancy2
> so who knows? Johnny Depp made a very effective, if unconventional, Sweeney
> Todd. Too bad Helena Bonham-Carter couldn't manage Mrs. Lovett adequately
> (the singing part -- her acting was fine).
>
Helena Bonham-Carter is all twitchy, and she makes me twitchy to watch
her. Can't stand her, actually.
I have been variously surprised that Zellweger can sing and that
Kidman can sing....
N.
Dorothy J Heydt
No, cuddly definitely doesn't work. Higgins can, however, be
charmingly urbane when he chooses. There are several scenes IIRC
when he goes from ranting to charming in a split-second.
Annie C
"Mark Alan Miller" <mami...@sfdiamond.com> wrote in message
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Never cared for the Higgins character. the domineering old coot. and
obsessive misogynist.
Didn't Pygmalion end without a final resolution, with ambiguous ending?
:::: I still think Eliza would've been happier and better off with
Freddy.::::::.
Annie
Janet
Jackman is in fact perfect for Freddie
Dorothy J Heydt
Annie C <anni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Never cared for the Higgins character. the domineering old coot. and
>obsessive misogynist.
>Didn't Pygmalion end without a final resolution, with ambiguous ending?
There are two endings, both by Shaw.
In the first (as originally produced on-stage) Eliza stomps out
and Higgins remains, laughing uproariously at the thought that
she's going to marry Freddy. Here the play ends, but there's a
long prosy footnote in which Shaw tells us how Eliza's going to
have to support Freddy all her life (because he is a totally
useless Upper-Class Twit) and she'll be miserable.
In the second ending, as shown in the film version with Leslie
Howard, Eliza comes back to Higgins; swift curtain. This is also
the ending that was used in the film.
>
>:::: I still think Eliza would've been happier and better off with
>Freddy.::::::.
See above.
Joan in GB-W
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I did not like him as Bond either. We are somewhat in the minority as he
garnered great reviews for his portrayal.
Joan
Joan in GB-W
As a point of information and interest Marnie Nixon's first singing dubbing
was for Margaret O'Brien in 1949's The Secret Garden.
Joan
Judith Brenan
>> Laurie.
>
> Indeed. He can handle the perfect diction and can do imperious
> beautifully. But can he sing?
Hugh Laurie can do ANYTHING!
Judith in NZ (smitten)
Dorothy J Heydt
Joan in GB-W
Snow White dates to 1937 and Adriana Caselotti was the voice of Snow White.
Joan
Mark Alan Miller
I have been variously surprised that Zellweger can sing and that
Kidman can sing....
I suspect the magic of sound recording helped give some weight to both of
their voices. In the film of Chicago, Roxie's musical numbers are her
fantasies, and Zellweger's breathy, girlish voice was just fine for the
character and circumstances. I quite liked her performance. But with Julie
Andrews readily available for recorded comparison (and Marni Nixon), they'd
better find someone for Eliza who has a great voice, not just an adequate
one.
Mark Alan Miller
Janet
If they do a remake of My Fair Lady, they will look for a bankable star. I'd
put my money on Nicole Kidman or Kiera Knightley. The former has a barely
adequate voice. Baz Luhrman said that she just had to be able to sing well
anough to be appealing in Moulin Rouge--she didn't have to have a
full-fledged musical comedy star voice. I have no idea if Kiera can sing.
It's too bad, because New York and London are overflowing with young women
with great voices who can act. But they'll never cast them.
Wes Struebing
Yeah, I figured he'd be closer to the Higgins that Shaw wrote in
"Pygmalion" (at least as far as I hear...)
Andrew Barss
: "Mike Burke" <mbu...@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
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:>
:> If it has to be done, my choice for Higgins would be our old mate Hugh
:> Laurie.
: Indeed. He can handle the perfect diction and can do imperious beautifully.
: But can he sing?
Oh yes he can:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQAuw4NYLA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYdhNe66JsA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DrJI7mTHQ&feature=related
-- Andy Barss
Annie C
"Andrew Barss" <ba...@mint.u.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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Oh, yes indeed!
Wow - great links. What is there that Hugh Laurie does not excel at??
I've seen him play classical piano, rhythm and blues, jazz.- plus he's
great on guitar, etc..
Fabulously funny.. One gifted and brilliant guy..
I've spent most of the last hour watching Hugh on Inside the Actor's Studio
filmed earlier this year..
James Lipton's a great interviewer. Well worth the time for Laurie fans.
Part 1 starts herehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLZyQjCURA
Annie
(love his song "Mystery'.. ;-)
Judith Brenan
>> :> If it has to be done, my choice for Higgins would be our old mate Hugh
>> :> Laurie.
>>
>> : Indeed. He can handle the perfect diction and can do imperious
>> beautifully.
>> : But can he sing?
>>
>>
>> Oh yes he can:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQAuw4NYLA
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYdhNe66JsA
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DrJI7mTHQ&feature=related
>>
>> -- Andy Barss
>
> Oh, yes indeed!
> Wow - great links. What is there that Hugh Laurie does not excel at??
> I've seen him play classical piano, rhythm and blues, jazz.- plus he's
> great on guitar, etc..
> Fabulously funny.. One gifted and brilliant guy..
>
> I've spent most of the last hour watching Hugh on Inside the Actor's
> Studio filmed earlier this year..
> James Lipton's a great interviewer. Well worth the time for Laurie fans.
> Part 1 starts herehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLZyQjCURA
>
> Annie
> (love his song "Mystery'.. ;-)
Thanks Annie and Andy for the links! That's my morning gone.
Judith in NZ (hopelessly devoted to Hugh)
Andrew Barss
: Oh, yes indeed!
: Wow - great links. What is there that Hugh Laurie does not excel at??
: I've seen him play classical piano, rhythm and blues, jazz.- plus he's
: great on guitar, etc..
: Fabulously funny.. One gifted and brilliant guy..
Yep, a real genius, I think, in the true sense.
Have you read his thriller The Giun Seller? Superb, and funny.
-- Andy Barss
Annie C
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You're welcome, Judith. I know, my day's shot too! James Lipton did a great
interview.. and I have to admit I didn't know all that much abt Hugh's
earlier life before seeing this...
Annie (ditto on the hopelessly devoted ;-)
Annie C
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Not read yet ... but I was just reading about it and thinking of ordering
it on Amazon ;-)
Annie
Pogonip
Hugh Laurie can do anything.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
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Stanley Moore
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>> In article <e5lpe59d5fiasql3p...@4ax.com>,
>> Wes Struebing <str...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:46:06 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>>Heydt) wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
>>>>
>>>>Johnny Depp?
>>>>
>>>Ooh! He would be a diabolical Higgins!
>>
>> Only if he and the director decided that was the kind of Higgins
>> they wanted. He's an actor; he can act.
>
> Harrison could. Harrison sold those performances through personality and
> the songs were tailored to his vocal limitations. I'd be quite happy with
> Depp as Higgins, though it seems unlikely. Colin Firth would also be just
> fine.
>
> Mark Alan Miller
About actors trying to sing, anyone remember Clint Eastwood in Paint Your
Wagon? <G>
I cannot recall if Lee Marvin did any singing but Eastwood was something
else. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
Janet
<snip>
> About actors trying to sing, anyone remember Clint Eastwood in Paint
> Your Wagon? <G>
> I cannot recall if Lee Marvin did any singing but Eastwood was
> something else. Take care
He also sang about his Gran Torino. Great movie.
Stanley Moore
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Yes but that was;nt supposed to be a musical as PYW was. I did like GT as
well. His crusty sense of justice and his desire to save the asian neighbors
from trouble was wonderful while his own family did not appreciate his ffine
qualities. Take care
Stanley Moore
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:16:22 -0700, Lynn Allen
>> <ly...@NOT-semiotics.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2009-10-31 20:46:58 -0700, "Joan in GB-W" <jjk...@aol.com> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>How about somebody who can actually sing? Hugh Jackman.
>>>--
>> Gawdelpus. Soon somebody will be suggesting Cate Blanchett as Eliza.
>> Then I'll go stark staring mad and top myself. :-)
>>
>> Mique
>> (who wishes that La Blanchett - and Jackman for that matter - would
>> stop confusing the real world with the stage)
>
> Personal lives aside, they are fine actors, and Jackman is also an
> excellent singer. But I do think he's a little too young and much too
> pretty for Higgins. Liam Neeson would be interesting, if he can sing.
>
> Mark Alan Miller
What about Branagh? He seems to have the right attitude for the role,
superior and supercilious at the same time. Take care
Stanley Moore
Well I for one like him as Bond especially when he takes off his shirt. In
Casion Royale even the bad guy comments on how well he takles care of his
body just before the torture scene when he get his balls worked over with a
carpet beater..... a very eroctic scene to me. A detail taht was lacking in
Pierce Brosnan and and Tim Dalton to say nothing of the other guy who was
better as The Saint rather than Bond. Connery was athletic looking
enough.... as a teenager in the 60s I wanted to look like him but nowadays a
more buffed appearance is preferred hence the success of Craig. Take care
ELF
> Well I for one like him as Bond especially when he takes off his shirt. In
> Casion Royale even the bad guy comments on how well he takles care of his
> body just before the torture scene when he get his balls worked over with a
> carpet beater..... a very eroctic scene to me. A detail taht was lacking in
> Pierce Brosnan and and Tim Dalton to say nothing of the other guy who was
> better as The Saint rather than Bond. Connery was athletic looking
> enough.... as a teenager in the 60s I wanted to look like him but nowadays a
> more buffed appearance is preferred hence the success of Craig. Take care
Given the physical stuff they have the Bond character doing in the
movies, including the fight scenes, Craig makes suspension of disbelief
a lot easier. Brosnan is a fine actor, but he does *not* look like he
could possibly win a fight with some bad guy with special forces
training. Craig is at least physically plausible.
elf
--
"We live in the interface between radioactive molten rock and hard
vaccum and we worry about safety." --Chris Hunt in alt.sysadmin.recovery
Mark Alan Miller
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Those are all great fun. He has such a good ear for accents and mannerisms,
which makes it likely he could sing the My Fair Lady songs more than
adequately. Thanks for the links.
Mark Alan Miller
Wes Struebing
Lee Marvin did a sort of talk-sing (similar to, but not quite as good
as Rex Harrison), such as "I was Born Under a Wandering
Star"...Eastwood WAS, err, interesting...<G>
Wes Struebing
>Stanley Moore wrote:
>
>> Well I for one like him as Bond especially when he takes off his shirt. In
>> Casion Royale even the bad guy comments on how well he takles care of his
>> body just before the torture scene when he get his balls worked over with a
>> carpet beater..... a very eroctic scene to me. A detail taht was lacking in
>> Pierce Brosnan and and Tim Dalton to say nothing of the other guy who was
>> better as The Saint rather than Bond. Connery was athletic looking
>> enough.... as a teenager in the 60s I wanted to look like him but nowadays a
>> more buffed appearance is preferred hence the success of Craig. Take care
>
>
> Given the physical stuff they have the Bond character doing in the
>movies, including the fight scenes, Craig makes suspension of disbelief
>a lot easier. Brosnan is a fine actor, but he does *not* look like he
>could possibly win a fight with some bad guy with special forces
>training. Craig is at least physically plausible.
>
Timothy Dalton filled the bill quite nicely in that regard, too. At
least, imho...
Annie C
Clint Eastwood may not be much of a singer, but he's composed some lovely
music for soundtracks to some of his various films. In particular, I
thought his score for 'Changeling' was marvelous... very quiet and subtle
but, at the same time, emotionally evocative.. His 'Mystic River' score was
excellent too..
Annie
ell...@webtv.net
Higgins instead of Daniel Craig.>>
Oh, no, Janet. Too hunky. We need someone slim and professorial
looking, who can also sing (just a little. Harrison --of the Broadway
cast--pretty much spoke all his songs--though amazingly, in tune)
Ellen
ell...@webtv.net
Laurie.
By george, he's got it!
Ellen (will gladly pay 12 bucks.)
Hugh Laurie is a mate of yours! Listen, can you get a message to him
from me?....
Ellen (not a stalker)
ell...@webtv.net
<<I suppose the younger generations need their own idols but I can't for
the life of me understand why they need to remake old classics instead
of actually proving that their generation is just as good as their
parents' and grandparents' by creating new vehicles to display their
talents. Just as Rodgers and Hammerstein were followed by Lerner and
Loewe and, in turn, by Sondheim and Andrew Lloyd Webber, surely there
must be talented people in the younger generations equally capable of
creating entirely new shows.>>
Because they're not. Their"idols" are Clay Aiken and Britney Spears.
(Can't you just see them in a revival of "Wast Side Story?" (Which--in
fact is back on Broadway ) Their lyricists and composers are eminem and
KISS.
Almost every show now on Broadway is either a revival or a remake.
There's no new material--no exciting talent; at least none that
producers want to spend millions of dollars backing. If there are any
fabulous new w talents, they are well hidden under bushels. And pecks.
Ellen
ell...@webtv.net
wrote:
<snip>
<<Oh, well! Let's get a bit further afield.
Johnny Depp?>>
<<Ooh! He would be a diabolical Higgins!>>
<<Only if he and the director decided that was the kind of Higgins they
wanted. He's an actor; he can act.
Dorothy J. Heyd>>
Oh, no.He's THE actor of our generation right after Robert deNiro, and
he doesn't "act", he becomes.
I was dubious about his casting in "Sweeny Todd" but he was amazing.
And he played a singer in one of his earliest movies--can't remember the
title, but I think it was John Waters.
But he is so wrong for this role. Higgins can't be diabolical--that's
not his character.
And Depp is too young. I night not even Netflix that.
Ellen
Pogonip
>
> Almost every show now on Broadway is either a revival or a remake.
> There's no new material--no exciting talent; at least none that
> producers want to spend millions of dollars backing. If there are any
> fabulous new w talents, they are well hidden under bushels. And pecks.
>
> Ellen
>
With you on this. My other gripe is "tribute artists." I know there is
talent out there, new talent, new music, new voices, new arrangements --
and in many cases, the artist being "tributed" is still living and
working! Is this part of the nostalgia movement, back to a time that
memory has created as somehow better? Not rosy future, but rosy past?
Give the new kids a chance!
Fran Read
> talent out there, new talent, new music, new voices, new arrangements --
> and in many cases, the artist being "tributed" is still living and
> working! Is this part of the nostalgia movement, back to a time that
> memory has created as somehow better? Not rosy future, but rosy past?
> Give the new kids a chance!
...which reminded me...
One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and this
boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter got all
the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually the water boy
who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset because they didn't
even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down on Howard Carter at the
moment!
Fran
Pogonip
>
> ...which reminded me...
> One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and this
> boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter got all
> the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually the water boy
> who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset because they didn't
> even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down on Howard Carter at the
> moment!
> Fran
>
>
Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get
his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits
for publication. Good luck with that, too.
Janet
Now, Fran, we all know that it was really Emerson. <G>
Pogonip
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:11:41 -0800, Pogonip <nob...@nowhere.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get
>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits
>> for publication. Good luck with that, too.
>
> Australia. It was the lookout at the masthead. :-)
>
> Mique
Correct me if I'm wrong, Mique, but weren't there already some people
there, who apparently discovered it even earlier?
Joan in GB-W
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Weren't the Aborigines there thousands of years before the white man
arrived. How can explorers claim to discover countries/continents when
there are natives living there. Go figure.
Joan
Wes Struebing
wrote:
>Mike Burke wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:11:41 -0800, Pogonip <nob...@nowhere.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get
>>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits
>>> for publication. Good luck with that, too.
>>
>> Hehe. And it wasn't Captain Cook (or whoever) who discovered
>> Australia. It was the lookout at the masthead. :-)
>>
>> Mique
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, Mique, but weren't there already some people
>there, who apparently discovered it even earlier?
Most likely, but they weren't talking.
Wes Struebing
wrote:
>On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:49:25 -0500, ell...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>>Because they're not. Their"idols" are Clay Aiken and Britney Spears.
>>(Can't you just see them in a revival of "Wast Side Story?" (Which--in
>>fact is back on Broadway ) Their lyricists and composers are eminem and
>>KISS.
>
>Apparently the audience at Britney Spears' Perth, Western Australia,
>lip synch concert the other day walked out in droves after about the
>third song. So, perhaps there's hope yet.
>
I AM impressed with the sophistication of your audiences, Mique!
Stanley Moore
> Fran Read wrote:
>>
>> ...which reminded me...
>> One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and
>> this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter
>> got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually
>> the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset
>> because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down
>> on Howard Carter at the moment!
>> Fran
>>
>>
>
> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get his
> prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits for
> publication. Good luck with that, too.
> --
Actually it is a good teaching point for you and him. This is the way the
workd works and the sooner he learns to accept it the better off he will be.
This is not an isolated incident. Think of Edmund Hillary and sherpa guide
Tenzing Norgay going up Mt. Everest. Also something similar happened with
Dr. Christian Barnard and his surgical assistant (African). In business and
in academia the head guy gets the props and those underneath who do the work
are lucky if they get an off-hand mention.
Every young person gets his ideals shattered, his sense of justice and
fairness besmirched. This is a good time to teach him that the way we think
things ought to be and the way they actually are are very different. And in
the fullness of time as you rise above others his turn will come. Another
teaching point you can use it to emphazsizze how improtant it is to treat
underlings with decency and respect. That way they will not resent things
they way this boy does now. Take care
Stanley Moore
>>(Can't you just see them in a revival of "Wast Side Story?" (Which--in
>>fact is back on Broadway ) Their lyricists and composers are eminem and
>>KISS.
>
> lip synch concert the other day walked out in droves after about the
> third song. So, perhaps there's hope yet.
>
Angry about the lip synching? I difn't realize her fans were that
discriminating. Take care
Stanley Moore
The first time civilized people discovered it. Whate Man's Burden etc. It is
interesting how they got there. Though sea levels were much lower when
humans arrived so there were more islands it was still too far from any high
ground to be seen on the horizon. I got this from a Nat Geo program on TV.
So they were sailiing blind and lucked out finding such a large land mass.
Lynn Allen
>> Apparently the audience at Britney Spears' Perth, Western Australia,
>> lip synch concert the other day walked out in droves after about the
>> third song. So, perhaps there's hope yet.
>>
>> Mique
>
> Angry about the lip synching? I difn't realize her fans were that
> discriminating. Take care
Perhaps they were angry over the fact that she can't dance a lick. Her
music videos are so chopped up in 1/2 second cuts that you get part of
one move, and don't realize that she can't put two moves together. Then
there's the can't sing either part.
She doesn't care and has never cared about the music. It's all "give me
your money and f*** off" and sooner or later people who fork over
insane amounts of money (I heard $1300 US per ticket) will get fed up
with it.
--
--
Lymaree
Mark Alan Miller
"Stanley Moore" <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> The first time civilized people discovered it. Whate Man's Burden etc. It
> is interesting how they got there. Though sea levels were much lower when
> humans arrived so there were more islands it was still too far from any
> high ground to be seen on the horizon. I got this from a Nat Geo program
> on TV. So they were sailiing blind and lucked out finding such a large
> land mass. Take care
They just wanted a nice holiday away from their in-laws. Or got lost on the
way to the hardware store. What amazes me is that the Polynesians ended up
finding almost every speck of land from Hawaii south. Dots of land spread
over thousands of miles of water, but they somehow settled almost all of
them. I can't imagine how many parties set out and never found anything
before they ran out of food and water and died.
Mark Alan miller
Mark Alan Miller
>
> "Pogonip" <nob...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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>> Fran Read wrote:
>>>
>>> ...which reminded me...
>>> One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and
>>> this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter
>>> got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually
>>> the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset
>>> because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down
>>> on Howard Carter at the moment!
>>> Fran
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get
>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits
>> for publication. Good luck with that, too.
>> --
>
> Actually it is a good teaching point for you and him. This is the way the
> workd works and the sooner he learns to accept it the better off he will
> be. This is not an isolated incident. Think of Edmund Hillary and sherpa
> guide Tenzing Norgay going up Mt. Everest. Also something similar happened
> with Dr. Christian Barnard and his surgical assistant (African). In
> business and in academia the head guy gets the props and those underneath
> who do the work are lucky if they get an off-hand mention.
Norgay got plenty of credit, as evidenced by your knowing his name. The
world made Hillary the star and gave him the credit (as is customary for the
leaders of expeditions), but he always reminded people that Norgay was
there, too, and that he couldn't have made it without the Sherpas in his
expedition. He's a legitimate hero to the people of Nepal for his
humanitarian efforts over many decades.
Mark Alan Miller
Mark Alan Miller
> news:4af73408$1...@news.bnb-lp.com...
>> Fran Read wrote:
>>>
>>> ...which reminded me...
>>> One of the 11 year olds I teach is doing a project on Tutankhamun and
>>> this boy has been stressing out for the last week because Howard Carter
>>> got all the credit for finding Tutankhamun's tomb when it was actually
>>> the water boy who found the step cut into the rock. My kid's upset
>>> because they didn't even mention the Egyptian boy's name.He's very down
>>> on Howard Carter at the moment!
>>> Fran
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Good for him! Then, if he ever gets to grad school, he can try to get
>> his prof to not put his own name as an author on any papers he submits
>> for publication. Good luck with that, too.
>> --
>
> Actually it is a good teaching point for you and him. This is the way the
> workd works and the sooner he learns to accept it the better off he will
> be. This is not an isolated incident. Think of Edmund Hillary and sherpa
> guide Tenzing Norgay going up Mt. Everest. Also something similar happened
> with Dr. Christian Barnard and his surgical assistant (African). In
> business and in academia the head guy gets the props and those underneath
> who do the work are lucky if they get an off-hand mention.
Hmm. I knew I was wrong about something. Hillary was not the leader of the
expedition as a whole (climbing expeditions being vast enterprises back
then), just the head of one of two climbing teams named to make the final
push to the top. He and Norgay succeeded after the other party had failed.
Mark Alan Miller
Stanley Moore
I know the name of one Sherpa but how many others do? Especially those
younger than us (60-ish in my cse). Come to think of it I wonder how many 20
or 30 somethings know who Edmund Hillary was <G> (getting older is a bitch).
Perhaps Edmund Hirllary was not the best example that I could have picked
and I do NOT recall the name of Christian Barnard's assistant offhand. The
principle remains that the way the world works is very different from the
way idealistic young peop[le think it should. Take care
Stanley Moore
I should look this up sometime. I recall teachers in grade school (which I
enereted in 1956 a few years after the feat) mentioning the event and
Hillary with great admiration.
Nowadays with better equipment many people have duplicated the climb. Take
Stanley Moore
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If I paid that much for a ticket I think I'd at least stay til the end if
only so I could bitch about it forever after. <G>. As an old guy whose music
tastes are stuck in the decades before 1975. (My partner complains
constantly when I am in the car wanting to listen to XM Radio Channel 18
which is Elvis all the time.) I am surprised she gets anyone to buy her
tickets based in her antics in recent years with endangering her kids and
behaving badly in general. Take care