I finished this the other day, and before I sent it up to Patricia, I wanted to mention it here.
The book is called "How the Strong Survive" (and for those who don't know who I'm talking about, the author is Newton Love).
Ben Pace is a Lakhota Sioux apparently transported from the "Rez" to the environs of Baltimore. The book takes place in that area of Maryland. John Keagey is a serial rapist, who was tried for the rapes of four women, but found not guilty, not because he was innocent, but because he's a member of the powerful Kinkaed family who could afford high priced lawyers and could exert their influence to get the verdict they want.
Ben is referred to the women to extract justice, which he agrees to do, but in the Lakhota way, which looks for spiritual healing of the victims in the process. He devises a plan to do this which takes back the power Keagey stole from the women why imposing a form of punishment that was not handed out by the authorities, but for some reason, it's unsatisfactory. More needs to be done, and it is, in Lakhota fashion.
I don't want to say any more, because the bulk of the book is taken up with the planning and execution of Ben's plan, and to get into it more would be a spoiler. It's not a murder mystery, or crime novel like you would be used to, in that the crimes are committed before the book starts, and the perpetrator is known. The only mystery is whether Ben will succeed in extracting the justice the women seek.
Ben must resort to the ways and means of the Lakhota people to help him in the process, since, while he is a healer, he's still a bit of a novice. There is a lot of spiritual discussion between Ben and his guides in Nature, and ordinarily, I would have had a hard time suspending my disbelief, as, for instance, Ben has regular discussions with a raven, who is his primary spiritual guide.
However, in a weird but pleasant way, it all works. Newt uses humor to create a relationship between Ben and his guides, so that by the end of the book, I was very comfortable with his reliance on things I would have found odd (as a proverbial white man) in real life. I found myself reading these discussions more as metaphorical conversatons Ben had with himself as he worked out the intricacies of his plan, than as real life conversations. The book is written in a way that allows that, and I think only a talented writer can pull it off. I think of John Connolly's spiritual interludes as comparison.
So in short, I give the book a definite thumbs up.
looking forward to it John...glad you liked it and I must say now it really piques my interest
Patricia [to email remove the knot]
"Jr@Ease" <do.not.send.s...@this.address> wrote in message
news:sk5883ph1be3grdfnnem8i24jho992sl89@4ax.com... |I finished this the other day, and before I sent it up to Patricia, I | wanted to mention it here. | | The book is called "How the Strong Survive" (and for those who don't | know who I'm talking about, the author is Newton Love). | | Ben Pace is a Lakhota Sioux apparently transported from the "Rez" to | the environs of Baltimore. The book takes place in that area of | Maryland. John Keagey is a serial rapist, who was tried for the rapes | of four women, but found not guilty, not because he was innocent, but | because he's a member of the powerful Kinkaed family who could afford | high priced lawyers and could exert their influence to get the verdict | they want. | | Ben is referred to the women to extract justice, which he agrees to | do, but in the Lakhota way, which looks for spiritual healing of the | victims in the process. He devises a plan to do this which takes back | the power Keagey stole from the women why imposing a form of | punishment that was not handed out by the authorities, but for some | reason, it's unsatisfactory. More needs to be done, and it is, in | Lakhota fashion. | | I don't want to say any more, because the bulk of the book is taken up | with the planning and execution of Ben's plan, and to get into it more | would be a spoiler. It's not a murder mystery, or crime novel like you | would be used to, in that the crimes are committed before the book | starts, and the perpetrator is known. The only mystery is whether Ben | will succeed in extracting the justice the women seek. | | Ben must resort to the ways and means of the Lakhota people to help | him in the process, since, while he is a healer, he's still a bit of a | novice. There is a lot of spiritual discussion between Ben and his | guides in Nature, and ordinarily, I would have had a hard time | suspending my disbelief, as, for instance, Ben has regular discussions | with a raven, who is his primary spiritual guide. | | However, in a weird but pleasant way, it all works. Newt uses humor to | create a relationship between Ben and his guides, so that by the end | of the book, I was very comfortable with his reliance on things I | would have found odd (as a proverbial white man) in real life. I found | myself reading these discussions more as metaphorical conversatons Ben | had with himself as he worked out the intricacies of his plan, than as | real life conversations. The book is written in a way that allows | that, and I think only a talented writer can pull it off. I think of | John Connolly's spiritual interludes as comparison. | | So in short, I give the book a definite thumbs up. | | Patricia, I'll send it up tomorrow. | | John P
Once Upon a Midnight Dreary, While sue kelso Pondered, Weak and Weary, Over Many a Quaint and Curious Forgotten Post, then wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------
>> The book is called "How the Strong Survive" (and for those who don't >> know who I'm talking about, the author is Newton Love).
>thank goodness. i thought you were reading Mr. Gingrich.
On Jun 28, 3:38 pm, "Jr@Ease" <do.not.send.s...@this.address> wrote:
> However, in a weird but pleasant way, it all works. Newt uses humor to > create a relationship between Ben and his guides, so that by the end > of the book, I was very comfortable with his reliance on things I > would have found odd (as a proverbial white man) in real life. I found > myself reading these discussions more as metaphorical conversatons Ben > had with himself as he worked out the intricacies of his plan, than as > real life conversations. The book is written in a way that allows > that, and I think only a talented writer can pull it off. I think of > John Connolly's spiritual interludes as comparison.
This does sound interesting. I'll have to look for it.
However, John - I've met you, and I believe I can say without reservation that you are an actual white man.
Once Upon a Midnight Dreary, While Mary Pondered, Weak and Weary, Over Many a Quaint and Curious Forgotten Post, then wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------
>On Jun 28, 3:38 pm, "Jr@Ease" <do.not.send.s...@this.address> wrote:
>> However, in a weird but pleasant way, it all works. Newt uses humor to >> create a relationship between Ben and his guides, so that by the end >> of the book, I was very comfortable with his reliance on things I >> would have found odd (as a proverbial white man) in real life. I found >> myself reading these discussions more as metaphorical conversatons Ben >> had with himself as he worked out the intricacies of his plan, than as >> real life conversations. The book is written in a way that allows >> that, and I think only a talented writer can pull it off. I think of >> John Connolly's spiritual interludes as comparison.
>This does sound interesting. I'll have to look for it.
>However, John - I've met you, and I believe I can say without >reservation that you are an actual white man.
>Mary >:-)
hehe. True. I be a white man.
Patricia will be sending the book around RAM, if you want to wait till she's done.
Jr@Ease wrote: > Once Upon a Midnight Dreary, While sue kelso Pondered, Weak and Weary, > Over Many a Quaint and Curious Forgotten Post, then wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> The book is called "How the Strong Survive" (and for those who don't >>> know who I'm talking about, the author is Newton Love).
>> thank goodness. i thought you were reading Mr. Gingrich.
>> sue k
> Heaven...err.. God...err... Clinton forbid!
> John P
Y'know, I kind of _enjoyed_ his alternate history WWII book (written with William Forstchen). I wished he'd gotten around to finishing the series, but when his political star set, so did his book deal. Forstchen did most of the writing, but Gingrich did the research and the plotting. Not Pulitzer material, but decent work if you're an alt hist fan.
Jr@Ease wrote: > I finished this the other day, and before I sent it up to Patricia, I > wanted to mention it here. > The book is called "How the Strong Survive"
< [by] Newton Love...
John, Since I sent you the RAM pass around copy of HTSS, I have not been able to take a deep breath while reading RAM. The anticipation and anxiety of "Will he like it?" has been almost too much. I am glad that you read it and gave us your "read" on my "write."
Jr@Ease wrote more:
> It's not a murder mystery, or crime novel like you > would be used to, in that the crimes are committed > before the book starts, and the perpetrator is known. > The only mystery is whether Ben will succeed...
The second and third novels I sold are private investigator murder mysteries, where the murderer's identity is not known until near the end of the book. I hope they come out soon, so that we can discuss them, too.
> Ben must resort to the ways and means of the > Lakhota people to help him in the process... > a lot of spiritual discussion between Ben and his > guides in Nature, and ordinarily, I would have > had a hard time suspending my disbelief, as, > for instance, Ben has regular discussions > with a raven, who is his primary spiritual guide.
> However, in a weird but pleasant way, it all works. > Newt uses humor to create a relationship between > Ben and his guides, so that by the end of the book, > I was very comfortable with his reliance on things I > would have found odd... I found myself reading these > discussions more as metaphorical conversatons Ben > had with himself... than as real life conversations. > The book is written in a way that allows that, and > I think only a talented writer can pull it off. I think of > John Connolly's spiritual interludes as comparison.
I am flattered and grateful for linking Mr. Connolly's writing and mine. For a debut novel, that is a great compliment. Thank you!
> So in short, I give the book a definite thumbs up.
> John P
Thank you, John! As a new author from a one-woman publishing house, getting publicity is a challenge. I am thrilled that you read and commented on my book. George Burns said "The only bad publicity you can get is your obiturary." I would have been thrilled for your comments, no matter what they were. I am very glad that you liked How the Strong Survive. It made it easy to write the thank you!
May I please have your permission to quote your comments (without edits / changes) on my web page for the book?
Blessings on your path,
newt
Side-bar comment for the postings that followed jr's: I am NO relation to Newt Gingrich. I am named after my dad, Newton Love Sr. It pains me to see the politician's name appearing more times in posts about my book than I get mentioned. It seems I will forever be a shill for the Gingrich, and whenever I do something, Newt Gingrich will get several pages of free publicity at my expense. It's almost enough to make me want to change my name, which would dishonor the memory of my father. Can we please try to refrain from changing the discussion to the Gingrich and his stuff at the mere mention of my first name? Thank you, newt
Jr@Ease wrote: > The book is called "How the Strong Survive" ... > the author is Newton Love.
> Ben Pace is a Lakhota Sioux... > There is a lot of spiritual discussion between Ben and ... > a raven, who is his primary spiritual guide... > I found myself reading these discussions more as > metaphorical conversatons Ben had with himself > as he worked out the intricacies of his plan, than as > real life conversations. The book is written in a way > that allows that, and I think only a talented writer > can pull it off. I think of John Connolly's spiritual > interludes as comparison.
John, I am very glad for that comment. There are some Lakhota that believe in the ancient beliefs, e.g., that all original forms are alive. They would hold that just as humans are alive, but our bones aren't, stones are alive, but clay pots aren't.
Some Lakhota believe that stones are alive and talk, while others don't. From the modernist perspective, they scoff at those who believe in things that are only provable by faith in ancient stories.
Those groups can be seen in any society. There are those who walk by faith, and those who are agnostic or athiest.
I rewrote the Ben Pace and Raven-Who-Hops dialogs many times, until I felt that they were in the realm you identified. Is Ben Pace really so saturated in his spirituality that his participation in the real world is through a fractured psyche, or is his religion a methodology for processing a complex world that he came to depend on after the fall from the telephone pole broke his back?
For that matter, what is religion? The age-old questions are still with us. Did God invent Man, or Man invent God. Do we through our superstitions imagine divine beings to blame or explain phenomena outside our control? Were the existentials of old actually mental patients that got good publicity, or were they right about how we can participate with the creator(s) of the universe?
I do not attempt to answer those questions. I wrote characters, some with profound spiritual beliefs, and some with none at all, excepting maybe a strong Cynicism.
Through it all, I hoped to find a resonate thread between them, namely that violence against women is wrong. That is why I wrote the crimes occurring before the book started.
I wanted to turn the typical serial killer / rapist genre on its ear. My wife Nance is my 1st reader. I took a clue from her that she was tired of books that spent a large percentage of the pages in squeemishly detailed descriptions of violence against women. When the killer / rapist was finally caught, they were treated with gentleness and given their Miranda Rights. At most was a little physical scuffling while the killer / rapist resisted arrest.
I didn't want to repeat that. I decided to make the violence against women occur before the book started. The female protagonist, Rita, is able to show one of her knife wound scars as prooof the rape occurred, but the actual degradation that happened to Rita is never written. On the other hand, the degradation of the rapist was completely open for exploitation to the writer. I decided to take that approach.
I asked myself, what would happen if the "frontier justice" of the 1800s were applied to a modern crime? The unbridled nature of "cowboy and indian" relations of the past spilled over into the pages of HTSS.
So, taking a page from those who have found success in "morality plays," I wrote HTSS to address the terrible problem of violence against women. It is sad that this occurs in "Christian" countries, but at least it is not codified in our law as it is in some Muslim / Islamic countries. I am saddened to read that violence against women is the fastest growing crime on American Indian reservations and the surrounding communities.
I wrote the Ben Pace character as an appeal to all men to stand up and be men. Real men never hit women. If we see someone physically or verbally abusing a woman, we step up and tell them that they are sick, and not a man. Real men rely on inner strength to persuade people. Real men do not use violence to force others to do their bidding.
That made the metaphor for the book complete. Might does not make right. That is true at the individual level, and at the state-wide level, and at the international level. I tied the plight of the raped women to the rape of the Red Nations by the US governement, and to the great examples of character amidst struggles shown by the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, and Mahatma Ghandhi.
It was an ambitious plot to tackle, but it seemed that it was the only plot that would make it all work for me. I hope it works for readers!
"Jr@Ease" <do.not.send.s...@this.address> wrote in message
news:bsla835f3th8rvdk28mocjdqkinbke9ecm@4ax.com... | Once Upon a Midnight Dreary, While Mary Pondered, Weak and Weary, Over | Many a Quaint and Curious Forgotten Post, then wrote: | -------------------------------------------------------------- | >On Jun 28, 3:38 pm, "Jr@Ease" <do.not.send.s...@this.address> wrote: | > | >> However, in a weird but pleasant way, it all works. Newt uses humor to | >> create a relationship between Ben and his guides, so that by the end | >> of the book, I was very comfortable with his reliance on things I | >> would have found odd (as a proverbial white man) in real life. I found | >> myself reading these discussions more as metaphorical conversatons Ben | >> had with himself as he worked out the intricacies of his plan, than as | >> real life conversations. The book is written in a way that allows | >> that, and I think only a talented writer can pull it off. I think of | >> John Connolly's spiritual interludes as comparison. | > | >This does sound interesting. I'll have to look for it. | > | >However, John - I've met you, and I believe I can say without | >reservation that you are an actual white man. | > | >Mary | >:-) | | hehe. True. I be a white man. | | Patricia will be sending the book around RAM, if you want to wait till | she's done. | | John P- |
Thanks for the review, John.. Congrats to Newt, sounds like a very interesting read... (John or Patricia, can you put me on the mailing list please? ;-))
<do.not.send.s...@this.address> wrote: >I finished this the other day, and before I sent it up to Patricia, I >wanted to mention it here.
>The book is called "How the Strong Survive" (and for those who don't >know who I'm talking about, the author is Newton Love).
Although Newt and I had a personality conflict sometime back, over what I cannot remember at this point, I had no interest in reading his book until I read this post and Momma Pat's review of the book as she just finished it also. I now intend to read it when Mom sends it. I guess you don't have to personally like the author to enjoy their books.
I am not writing this as a slam to Newt, I am just writing to say that although we didn't get along on another matter, I do think one should be open to trying their books if they are good. I am sure not all authors are as friendly as most I have had email contact with or contact with thru RAM.
On Jul 1, 8:08 pm, "Annie C" <chern...@nospamnospamMindspring.com> wrote:
> "Jr@Ease" <do.not.send.s...@this.address> wrote in message > | Patricia will be sending the book around RAM, if you want to wait till > | she's done. > | John P- > |
> Thanks for the review, John.. Congrats to Newt, sounds like a very > interesting read... > (John or Patricia, can you put me on the mailing list please? ;-))
> Annie
Annie, et al RAM, I have another copy or two I can spare. If anyone wants me to send a a copy of How the Strong Survive to them to read/review, I'd be happy to. The last I heard, Pat had posted her review, but I don't know if she sent the RAM review copy on to anyone else.
Pat, if you would like a copy to keep, I will be happy to autograph one and send it to you.
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:38:05 -0400, "Jr@Ease" > >I finished this the other day, and before I sent it up to Patricia, I > >wanted to mention it here. > >The book is called "How the Strong Survive" ... > > the author is Newton Love...
> Although Newt and I had a personality conflict sometime back, over > what I cannot remember at this point, I had no interest in reading his > book until I read this post and Momma Pat's review of the book as she > just finished it also. I now intend to read it when Mom sends it. I > guess you don't have to personally like the author to enjoy their > books.
> I am not writing this as a slam to Newt, I am just writing to say that > although we didn't get along on another matter, I do think one should > be open to trying their books if they are good. I am sure not all > authors are as friendly as most I have had email contact with or > contact with thru RAM.
Thank you for giving me a second chance. The first time I came into RAM, I had a few baggage problems, namely being from the tech-world, I thought USENET groups were not supposed to have OT posts, especially unlabled OT posts. I got smacked pretty hard on that one.
Next, I was excited that I had written novels. A few RAMmers told me I was an idiot, and told me I knew nothing about writing. My opinions on what made a good novel were stupid. I was pretty offended. I struck out, but was beaten back by the posse. I almost quit RAM. (I have now 1 book in print, and sold two more. I must know something about writing.) By that point, I felt like a new author alone against a huge crowd of RAMmer bullies.
Then, when I pointed out some errors in a few books, a lot of RAMmers really unleashed on me. They called me a troll and taught me about kill files. Sure, you can post in RAM, but the RAMmers can ignore you as a pariah, too. I went flame-on and faught for myself and for respect. A few Old-Time RAMmers posted that my critical statements about absolute errors in K.Slaughter's "Blindsighted" were correct and justified. That mattered little, since I was on the kill file list, and disinvited to all the good parties. I took Sparkle Hayter's advice and just vanished.
Months later, some RAMmers posted sarcastic insults about me concerning the January Magazine interview I did on Sparkle with my co- author Delphine Cingal. I guess I am not allowed to have feelings.
I stayed away from RAM and wrote and sold novels. I came back, timidly, only because some nice RAMmers started posting "where are you" and "come back" notices that were forwarded to me by email.
If you notice, I am avoiding OT posts. I am not posting my views on books or on writing topics. I am not going to risk anyone posting messages calling me an idiot or troll again. If I don't post my oppinions, I can't be ridiculed or taken to task for them. Perhaps after I have 20 books in print, maybe a few awards and a few best sellers, those who told me I know nothing about writing may allow that I do know a thing or two on the topic.
I can still feel the sting of the vitriol thrown at me by RAMmers back then. I think I have some scar tissue that may never disolve. No matter... I realize that I am imperfect, and as such need to forgive as much as I hope I can be forgiven. I have worked hard at forgiving those who posted in RAM some of the most hurtful things I have ever had directed at me. I hope some of you will forgive me for having and defending my opinions. I have worked hard to forget the specifics of who posted what about me, and all the hurtful names I was called. I don't remember calling anyone a name, but if I did, I am truly sorry.
I really hope you all can get to know me. Me, the real newt, not that guy you think you met when I was (out of character) fighting. In my regular life, I am well known as a generous, kind, and loving man. I have volunteered nearly a thousand hours of community service, am a ten gallon blood donor, and have supported a lot of "pay-forward" writers events. I endeavor to produce harmony and working together in everything I do. I could point you to evidence, but that probably doesn't matter. What matters is what you see. Perhaps reading my book will help open your eyes to who I really am.
I poured my soul into HTSS, a book that I hope will help in the fight against violence against women, and for equality of the Red Nations in America and Canada. From the first day of writing, I hoped it would have an impact for good, like To Kill a Mockingbird had on America. I have contributed money to both causes. I have attended rallies and prayer vigils for both causes.
Read my book and discuss stuff with me. Maybe you will see what kind of man I really am. I hope I do really get a 2nd chance in RAM. I am not a troll, and you can remove my name from your kill file.
>Thank you for giving me a second chance. The first time I came into >RAM, I had a few baggage problems, namely being from the tech-world, I >thought USENET groups were not supposed to have OT posts, especially >unlabled OT posts. I got smacked pretty hard on that one.
>Next, I was excited that I had written novels. A few RAMmers told me I >was an idiot, and told me I knew nothing about writing. My opinions on >what made a good novel were stupid. I was pretty offended. I struck >out, but was beaten back by the posse. I almost quit RAM. (I have now >1 book in print, and sold two more. I must know something about >writing.) By that point, I felt like a new author alone against a >huge crowd of RAMmer bullies.
>Then, when I pointed out some errors in a few books, a lot of RAMmers >really unleashed on me. They called me a troll and taught me about >kill files. Sure, you can post in RAM, but the RAMmers can ignore you >as a pariah, too. I went flame-on and faught for myself and for >respect. A few Old-Time RAMmers posted that my critical statements >about absolute errors in K.Slaughter's "Blindsighted" were correct and >justified. That mattered little, since I was on the kill file list, >and disinvited to all the good parties. I took Sparkle Hayter's >advice and just vanished.
>Months later, some RAMmers posted sarcastic insults about me >concerning the January Magazine interview I did on Sparkle with my co- >author Delphine Cingal. I guess I am not allowed to have feelings.
>I stayed away from RAM and wrote and sold novels. I came back, >timidly, only because some nice RAMmers started posting "where are >you" and "come back" notices that were forwarded to me by email.
>If you notice, I am avoiding OT posts. I am not posting my views on >books or on writing topics. I am not going to risk anyone posting >messages calling me an idiot or troll again. If I don't post my >oppinions, I can't be ridiculed or taken to task for them. Perhaps >after I have 20 books in print, maybe a few awards and a few best >sellers, those who told me I know nothing about writing may allow that >I do know a thing or two on the topic.
>I can still feel the sting of the vitriol thrown at me by RAMmers back >then. I think I have some scar tissue that may never disolve. No >matter... I realize that I am imperfect, and as such need to forgive >as much as I hope I can be forgiven. I have worked hard at forgiving >those who posted in RAM some of the most hurtful things I have ever >had directed at me. I hope some of you will forgive me for having and >defending my opinions. I have worked hard to forget the specifics of >who posted what about me, and all the hurtful names I was called. I >don't remember calling anyone a name, but if I did, I am truly sorry.
>I really hope you all can get to know me. Me, the real newt, not that >guy you think you met when I was (out of character) fighting. In my >regular life, I am well known as a generous, kind, and loving man. I >have volunteered nearly a thousand hours of community service, am a >ten gallon blood donor, and have supported a lot of "pay-forward" >writers events. I endeavor to produce harmony and working together in >everything I do. I could point you to evidence, but that probably >doesn't matter. What matters is what you see. Perhaps reading my >book will help open your eyes to who I really am.
>I poured my soul into HTSS, a book that I hope will help in the fight >against violence against women, and for equality of the Red Nations in >America and Canada. From the first day of writing, I hoped it would >have an impact for good, like To Kill a Mockingbird had on America. I >have contributed money to both causes. I have attended rallies and >prayer vigils for both causes.
>Read my book and discuss stuff with me. Maybe you will see what kind >of man I really am. I hope I do really get a 2nd chance in RAM. I am >not a troll, and you can remove my name from your kill file.
>Blessings on your paths,
>newt
Newt
I remember you coming here, and posting, and a lot a posts directed at you were, shall I say, negative. The word troll may have been used, but I was called a troll too, so I don't make much of it. I will say in all honesty, that much of whatever it was you read was a reaction to you, and your posts, so you have to know that it was not all one-sided. You were partially responsible for whatever you experienced, good, bad or indifferent. As we all are with all of our posts. I too don't remember the details, probably because they were inconsequential, in my eyes. You said things, others disagreed. Hey, that's RAM. Were you here when Greg showed up? If not, I would have to say that he dealt with far worse than you did, and he's still here (off and on) and I think everyone respects him. I think we respect you too. I personally respect anyone that can actually write a book, get it published,and have it keep my interest. So kudos to you for doing that, and for coming back here and telling us about it. Stick around, feel free to add to on and off topic posts. It's the only way to settle in, in my humble opinion. Sure, some will disagree, but again, shit, this is RAM. Get over it. :)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:55:23 -0700, newt <newtl...@toad.net> wrote:
>Annie, et al RAM, >I have another copy or two I can spare. >If anyone wants me to send a a copy of >How the Strong Survive >to them to read/review, I'd be happy to. >The last I heard, Pat had posted her review, >but I don't know if she sent the RAM review >copy on to anyone else.
>Pat, if you would like a copy to keep, I will >be happy to autograph one and send it to you.
>Let me know who I need to send them to,
>newt
Newt,
Got your book in a box from Momma Pat today and it is very close to the top of TBR after I finish my current book and one I volunteered to review. I really think I will enjoy it from her review of it.