[OT] In Soviet America, Ballots Vote for You
James Nicoll
show that Bush won 4,258 of the 638 ballots cast.
James Nicoll
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shirley
discovered this and corrected it. Ohio has beem arguing about having
electronic machines the standard here (3/4 of the state still using punch
cards) but thankfully a few sober heads in the statehouse are insisting they
be machines that have a paper trail. Maybe someday...
Shirley
Janet Puistonen
"James Nicoll" <jdni...@panix.com> wrote in message
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And let us repeat that mantra: "Bush won Ohio fair and square."
I'm not saying he _didn't_ win Ohio--I'm saying it's not clear to me that we
actually _know_ yet.
James Nicoll
Janet Puistonen <box...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>"James Nicoll" <jdni...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>> Results from Gahanna 1-B District in Franklin County, Ohio
>> show that Bush won 4,258 of the 638 ballots cast.
>>
>
>
>I'm not saying he _didn't_ win Ohio--I'm saying it's not clear to me that we
>actually _know_ yet.
>
exit polls accurately reflected the eventual outcome, and in states using
machines using machines built by a man who promised to deliver Ohio
to Bush, exits polls turned out to undercount the Bush vote.
Catherine Fiorello
There's a lot of info here about voting problems (and other things--it's a
geek site): http://boingboing.net/
Before I even sent money to the ACLU after the election, I sent money to
The Open Voting Consortium: http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/
Cathy
Larisa
> Results from Gahanna 1-B District in Franklin County, Ohio
> show that Bush won 4,258 of the 638 ballots cast.
See what I mean? What was that about free elections again?
LM (wondering how many other counties had been cheated less obviously)
James Nicoll
There was one where the vote totals were in the millions. The
_negative_ millions....
Greenbanks
>> show that Bush won 4,258 of the 638 ballots cast.
>See what I mean? What was that about free elections again?
>LM (wondering how many other counties had been cheated less obviously)
It's hard to say how this happened, but our county is having to recount all the
votes, in addition to the provisionals (gods, I hope I did those correctly)
because... there were fewer people voting early than the total votes which
were counted.
It has rearranged the winners of the at-large County Commission seats -- I wish
it would have as great an effect on the bigger races.
M'Lou
Janet Puistonen
> There was one where the vote totals were in the millions. The
> _negative_ millions....
But of course, any Democrat who displays skepticism is a classless sore
loser.......
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>LM (wondering how many other counties had been cheated less obviously)
>
The elections were free. The elections were fair. The elections were
accurate.
The exit polls in Ohio were inaccurate EVEN IN THOSE PLACES WHERE PAPER
BALLOTS WERE USED.
Which, by the way, was most of the state.
And Florida's were inaccurate for a few hours and then became perfectly
accurate.
Look, it would be one thing if Ohio had used MOSTLY Diebold machines, but
it didn't. They were in the process of phasing them in, and only some counties
had them. Several polling places had stations with Diebold machines and other
stations using other forms of balloting, because there weren't enough machines
yet.
Again, this is the WORST thing Democrats can do right now. It's delusional,
and it interferes with ever getting anything done.
Jane Haddam
http://www.janehaddam.com
s.v. hayter
I'd like to lose my worries about the fairness of the voting system,
but people keep sending me disturbing things like this:
http://therandirhodesshow.com/todays_show.html
The discrepancies between paper ballots and electronic voting and the
exit polls is quite remarkable.
Andrew Barss
: The exit polls in Ohio were inaccurate EVEN IN THOSE PLACES WHERE PAPER
: BALLOTS WERE USED.
They were most inaccurate in districts that used optically-scanned paper
ballots.
But here's the thing -- the tallies get sent to a central computer,
running Windows, and the tallies are kept in a single file that
is easily altered by anyone with access to that machine.
I agree with you completely on the things neding to be done to win the
next round of elections. But I really do not trust the way the votes got
counted this time around.
-- Andy Barss
s.v. hayter
> Look, it would be one thing if Ohio had used MOSTLY Diebold machines, but
> it didn't. They were in the process of phasing them in, and only some counties
> had them. Several polling places had stations with Diebold machines and other
> stations using other forms of balloting, because there weren't enough machines
> yet.
>
> Again, this is the WORST thing Democrats can do right now. It's delusional,
> and it interferes with ever getting anything done.
I dunno. There have been more disturbing reports about problems with
those machines and other weirdness.... Given what we know of the 2000
shenanigans, the stunts the admin has pulled since 2000, and given
what we know of Karl Rove, it seems a good idea to investigate it at
least. There's a lot at stake. if the system is rigged, then all
this debating about how the dems should get on message and win the
center etc. is moot.
Larisa
Exactly. I think the Dems have *already* won the center. And the
cheating, at least from what I've been reading, is too widespread and
too pervasive to *not* change the results. I think they should have
fought it immediately, and kept fighting.
And really - how can you tell that the election was fair? That's
right - you can't. There is no way to check if the numbers are real,
or if they were pulled out of thin air by the Bush administration.
And given what we know of the Bush administration, which do you think
it is?
LM