Sigh.... happy memories!!! :)
JimB
For me too :) Ahhh D.C. - damn good convention.
Me, too...the fun, the laughs, the blackmail pictures...
good times. To think now how soon it was after 9/11 and the Pentagon still
smoking...I'm so glad so many of us still got there.
{{{RAM}}}
It was the first one I was even aware of, having started reading RAM
about 6 months prior, but still lurking. Didn't make it to one until 2
years later.
John P
My first ever Bcon was Austin, the following year. It was a blast (except of
course for the unfortuate road rage incident ;-)
(Really hope I can swing San Fran in 2010.. $$ pricey, but I so love that
city....)
Annie
> (Really hope I can swing San Fran in 2010.. $$ pricey, but I so love that
> city....)
There are cheaper places to stay than the Hyatt. Of course, it's important
that the convention hotel get filled up, and I'm sure it will be, but there
are much cheaper hotels, , not necessarily nearby, but right on the
underground, so not difficult to get to. Hope to see you guys here.
Mark
I thought we were all crashing at your place...
JimB
Back in 1968 when I lived in Sausalito in an ancient one-bedroom
apartment on Bridgeway, I suddenly realized that everyone was crashing
at my place. I had one invited guest, but there were about twelve more
who slept, bathed and ate in my place. I had a major house-cleaning day.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
You're invited, but I can't really handle all of RAM at once. A couple at a
time would be nice.
Mark Alan Miller
> You're invited, but I can't really handle all of RAM at once. A couple
> at a time would be nice.
You heard him, we're invited!! Whee!!!
--
--
Lymaree
On my last visit to SF in 1982, I stayed at a hotel called The Brothel which
catered to a gay clientele. It was on Geary Street I think. Located near the
new cathedral with the modernisitc desgin shaped like a bishop's mitre, the
hotel was also a few blocks from Korea town. I haven;t bothered to look up
whether this place still exists.... the building probably does but the
nature of the lodging is probably different. It was an older building,
charming, with the lobby tricked out in red velvet. It had an old fashioned
elevator with two doors you had to close, which didn't stop exactly level in
the floor you went to, As I recall it was reasonable in price but tht was
nearly 30 years ago. I had a great time in The City as folks call it. It was
October and one day of a cold misty rain was followed by a week of great
cool sunny weather.
Maybe I shall try to go as I've never been to a Bouchercon. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
"If you'r going to San Francisco be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.
You will meet some gentle people there. All across the nation there's a new
vibration."
Ah memories ot the summer of love though I think that was 1967 (which was
the year I graduated high school). I wanted to see the Haight Ashbury and
listen to Jefferson AIrplane. At the time the idea of drugs was foreigh to
me. Sounds like you ran a crash pad after the old school. <G>Take care
Oh yes. I was there. Spent a lot of time in the Haight at friends'
houses. Went to concerts. I worked for a band that didn't go anywhere,
but Bill Graham invited us to his places, and I saw just about all the
bands. Now, when I look back, I'm really grateful that I was in the
right place at the right time with the right people. What I can
remember, anyway. ;-)
We rented space at the Sausalito heliport for rehearsals. It was about
the only place nobody complained about the noise.
What an excellent idea!
Fran (back with proper working internet connection again!!)
>We rented space at the Sausalito heliport for rehearsals. It was about
>the only place nobody complained about the noise.
The last time I was in SF (in fact the only time) was in February of
1967, when the summer of love was about to explode. I was 12. I
remember being on a tour bus with my parents, and the bus took us to
Haight Asbury to view the "hippies". I got the sense that they were in
a zoo, and we were just viewing the inmates. Maybe you were one of
them?
At least, that's how I remember it.
John P
Tourists took my picture in Sausalito. Most of them asked nicely first.
But, yeah, we were the local fauna on display for the tourists, or so
they thought, anyway. I was actually working in the city for Kelly
Girls, but I'd come home, park, change clothes and hit the street in
beads and flowing garments, thrilling the straights who came to gape.
RAM demands pics!
John P
I might be in one of those books -- the retrospective ones that were
sold for a while. I don't have any of me in my hippie outfit. ;-)
This was taken on a houseboat in Sausalito when Spanky McFarland and her
band were staying there. http://spedr.com/2lknh
Welll. Any other time but next year's B'Con. We love to have guests.
Mark Alan Miller
That would be great. As for the hotel, I've never heard of it, so I suspect
it's gone (or at least changed names, probably several times). There are
several inexpensive hotels in that general area (near St. Mary's Cathedral).
Not a terribly convenient location unless you really like riding buses or
going to Mass.
Mark Alan Miller
Spanky and the Gang?
Nice pic. Looks like a hippie outfit to me.
John P (need to dig out that old pic of me with a ponytail.)
Yes, please do. I need entertainment while I'm trying to write reams of
report comments!
Fran
We sure do want to see John with a ponytail!!
Really nice pic, Joanne.. time flies, eh?
I've pix somewhere with my hair about that length circa 1970.
Annie..
Yes, Elaine a/k/a Spanky, and the whole gang. Nigel Pickering, who was
Fred Williams when I first met him, Oz Bach both from Coconut
Grove/Miami and met Spanky when she came down from Old Town, Chicago. A
couple of others I didn't know as well, though I do remember Malcolm
Hale who died in 1968. They were doing very well at that time.
That dress came from Anastasia's, which was a little shop in the
basement of the building I lived in on Bridgeway. Gale Garnett bought
it for me, as a gift. If you know who Gale is, you're not a spring
chicken. ;-)
Your turn for show and tell!
Gale Garnett.. I remember her. We'll sing In the Sunshine, right?
Yep. I'm no spring chickadee...
Annie
We have a winner! Yes, Gale wrote that and sang it, and I'm pretty sure
that she never realized that the tune was the same as 3 Coins in the
Fountain. She had a part in My Big Fat Greek Wedding, as an aunt, but
I couldn't pick her out when I watched it on tv.
I just put two photos onto Facebook. Me with lots of hair and being a fake
hippie... but not half as good as a photo of John with a ponytail. I only
cut the hair after I had the babies 14 months apart. Pregnancy isn't good
for hair quality!
Fran
Sorry, Mark. I really didn't mean for you to get inundated with requests.
Personally. I've always wanted to go to start a trip in SF and them work
my way across country back to the East Coast - probably dropping in on
RAMmers on the way. If I ever win the lottery.... :)
JimB
You didn't need to fake it! That's a lot of hair. Remember how heavy
it was? How long it took to dry? I had no problem with the pregnancy
part, I'm one of those awful people who feels wonderful while pg, but
long hair is a time sink. Then, too, all those times I nearly broke my
neck because my hair was caught in a seat when I stood up. You looked
great, though. A little skinny, maybe. ;-)
Love the one with the guitar, Fran! Cute!
Pseudo hippie, eh??
patiently waiting for John's ponytail pic......
Annie
I don't remember that it took much longer than it does now to dry but I do
remember untangling the terrible knots and getting hooked to all sorts of
things! I've easily managed to remedy the skinny part...
Fran (who got caught in a rose bush today with much shorter hair)
<<I saw Where the Wild Things Are this weekend and this is reminding me
of the scenes where everyone "sleeping in a pile" meant everything was
okay. We could just pile up all together on your living room floor,
Mark.>>
I'm in.
Beth
If you get queasy, don't read this.
Do you remember feeling a hair on your lip, and taking hold of it to
remove it, only to discover that you have swallowed it, and as you pull
it away from your lips, you feel it pulling for the entire length?
I had friends who claim that they were pulling my hair out of their
socks for the next five to ten years. Must've been good socks. ;-)
It was probably the only thing that was holding those old socks together!
Fran
I used to use a strand of my hair to mend panty-hose. Something I don't
even own anymore. A torture instrument of the devil.
Not nearly as bad as panty girdles. Now that was torture.
Joan
Do you remember garter belts? With all those tentacles going every
which way?
I've got pictures of myself with my hair that length circa 1969 - 2009.
Now it's short. :-)
Mary
Your perspective was completely different.
Short and spiked here. Goes with my piercings.
Of course, I do. I wore them. Well, ladies of our age also remember those
little belts we wore with (gentlemen, turn away) our sanitary napkins.
Name withheld
The precursor of the thong.
There is that.
Oh yes. Those were (literally) a pain in the tuchus.
Fortunately, almost immediately after menarche I was given
permission (are the gentlemen still turned away?) to use tampons.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
Being a good hippy, I don't remember that period...must mean I lived
through it.
(actually had hair down to my shoulders - almost - I couldn't stand it
any longer than that! with a scraggly moustache, the best I could grow
at that time. Now, I have a goatee to accompany that moustache)
--
Wes Struebing
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
Homepage: www.carpedementem.org
linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wesstruebing
A what now?
Mine is short and spiked (as can be seen on my facebook) but I have no
piercings. I have more than enough holes in my head, thank you.
I have more resources now than I did 30 years ago so I like to stay in nicer
places. No sense in being uncomfortable. When I was there it was just at the
beginning of the AIDS crisis which folks din't really think it was a crisis
so hotels like the Brothel probably went away long ago. I spent time on
buses but mostly walked being in better shape back then.
I cruised the Castro, bought a sex toy that was illegal in Texas at them
time (never got around to using it however) and walked all over Chinatown
and around Coit Tower, Ghirardeli Square. Did all the tourist stuff, Gray
Line tour of the city , Muir Woods, Golden Gate Bridge, Sausalito etc. I was
there 10 days and wanted to stay longer. SF is a really beautiful city and
the weather was great but neat the coean it was very cold, One thing I
remember on my last day there at teh airport leaving ther TVs were full of
the news that Anwar Sadat had been assasinated and there was talk on the
airplane abuot it. I recall it was a bumpy ride all the way home. Looking up
Safdat it was in 1981 not 82 that I visited the place. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
>
No piercings yet, but I did get a tattoo last year. ;)
John P
Oh, yeah? Of what, and where? :-)
Mary
Did you now? I've been tempted for years and years. But worried about
allergic reactions.
Oh, I'm just kidding. I love having guests, and you're more than welcome to
start your dream trip here. Or just come for B'Con.
Mark Alan Miller
>> >Mine is short and spiked (as can be seen on my facebook) but I have no
>> >piercings. �I have more than enough holes in my head, thank you.
>>
>> � No piercings yet, but I did get a tattoo last year. ;)
>
>
>Oh, yeah? Of what, and where? :-)
>
>Mary
Grateful Dead Lightning bolt logo, and it's on a place I can't show
you without a high blood alcohol level. ;)
John P
I shall remember that next B'con.
Mary
You're a Dead Head, John?
Mary
It took enough of a BAC to get him to divulge that he has one...
kat >^.^<
Tattoos seem just so... permanent.
<<I had friends who claim that they were pulling my hair out of their
socks for the next five to ten years. Must've been good socks. ;-)>>
Do we want to know how your hair got on their socks?
Ellen
Paantihose were created by Nazi scientists before they lost the war.
God, I completely agree.
Barb
Yep. Big Time.
John P
>> >> � No piercings yet, but I did get a tattoo last year. ;)
>>
>> >Oh, yeah? �Of what, and where? �:-)
>>
>> >Mary
>>
>> Grateful Dead Lightning bolt logo, and it's on a place I can't show
>> you without a high blood alcohol level. ;)
>
>
>I shall remember that next B'con.
>
>Mary
MY wife says she's coming, so I'll have to be really inebriated.
John P
: Tattoos seem just so... permanent.
There's that, but what keeps me from getting one (and I would if this
weren't an issue) is how dull and unsaturated the colors are -- they
remind me of cheap comic books from my childhood (and maybe now). Washed
out, dull reds, greens, and blues don't make it for me. Even the blacks
are kinda thin and washed out looking.
We need inks that really stand out -- metallics, stained-glass-level
luminescent colors, etc.
-- Andy Barss
> We need inks that really stand out -- metallics, stained-glass-level
> luminescent colors, etc.
Some of the newer art is done in very bright inks, but I've read that
those bright colors all fade over time. After 5-10 years, all that's
left is a dull blue/black and some muddy reds. So whatever you have
done had better look good in monochrome.
--
--
Lymaree
tattoo free for 54 years & counting...
I've seen some that show up under a black light. And some of the
colors I've seen in some magazines are pretty vibrant. Can't say how
long they'll last though.
Of course, mine won't get faded by the sun...
John P
Oh, I'll bet I could get her to help me. You're in trouble,
buddy. :-)
Mary
>Oh, I'll bet I could get her to help me. You're in trouble,
>buddy. :-)
>Mary
Mwaaaaahahahahahahaha!!!! I'm in!
Fran
Well, my son and my daughter both have tattoos, and they tend to
say, "Look, I'm a walking art gallery. Look at my Native Southwestern
American rabbit! Look at my Scythian dragon! Look at my very
large beetle, with complete anatomical accuracy!" (The beetle's,
not the wearer's.)
No way would I get a tattoo; I've read _The Stars My Destination_
and know how hard they are to get rid of; but I'm sixty-seven. I
keep expecting my kids to decide they don't want theirs any more
and now what are they going to do? but they haven't yet.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at hotmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
I knew there was something I liked about you. ;-)
No. And you can't make me. *pffffffffffft*
That makes three of us. They're good for tying up bean plants, though.
That, I'm afraid, is not a story. I shed. Hair reaches the end of its
growth cycle and falls out with no regard for man nor beast. People
walking around wearing socks catch an end, and when the hair is
loooooooooooong it manages to work its way into the knit in such a way
that it melds, becomes part of the whole. See? Dull as dishwater.
>On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:41:49 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
><ba...@basil.u.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
>For me, it's just plain revulsion - at the look, at the process and
>dare I say it, the mindset. They're saying: look at me, look at me,
>I'm so pretty, so brave, _such_ a radical non-conformist. I'm saying:
>Ewwwww! Grow up, already.
>
>Mique
>(Stodgy Auld Phartz_R_Us)
Damn you, Mique! I agree with you - again! (am I just becoming a
Auld Phart at a, err, less-advanced age?)
;-)
(daughter got a new tattoo, recently. She's out of work and could
have used the money the tattoo cost on groceries or other necessities,
but nooo! sigh)
--
Wes Struebing
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America,
and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
Homepage: www.carpedementem.org
linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/wesstruebing
(I'm not sure we want to know...<G>)
I collect shows. I have about 4-500 of them right now. All
soundboards.
John P
I _used_ to be that same way, with the same attitude. Now it's
situational. I look at a young woman who tattoos major parts of her
anatomy, who can't walk down the aisle in a wedding dress without
showing it off, and wonder the same thing. What will she be thinking
when she's older? That's a long time to live with such permanence.
Met a woman at a party a few weeks ago who was showing off her tattoo,
which took up her entire back, and a portion of her gluteus maximus.
It was beatuiful art work, well done, and she could still wear a
bikini. Would I appreciate her in a bikini? I'm not sure.
Now with me, I was in my mid 50s, and my attitude is that at that age,
who cares? It's just skin, which in about 30 years will be ash. In the
meantime, if I'm in an accident and horribly disfigured, they can look
at my butt on the slab and say "Yep. That's him. He always loved the
Grateful Dead." ;)
Of course, I always was a non-conformist. Somebody has to do it.
John P
> In the
> meantime, if I'm in an accident and horribly disfigured, they can look
> at my butt on the slab and say "Yep. That's him. He always loved the
> Grateful Dead." ;)
Or they'll be saying "boy that tattoo didn't age well, did it?" while
looking at your flabby, wrinkly.....
Never mind. ;)
Gravity always wins.
--
--
Lymaree
They'll probably say "Nice...ummm... Rorschach blot. What's that
supposed to be again?"
John P
They could alwayd fold you like one of those MAD "fold-ins" to see the
picture properly.
JimB
>> They'll probably say "Nice...ummm... Rorschach blot. What's that
>> supposed to be again?"
>> John P
> They could alwayd fold you like one of those MAD "fold-ins" to see the
> picture properly.
> JimB
Hahahahahaha!!!!! (RAM is the absolute best way to start the morning!)
Fran
Are you also a Phish fan?
A friend while on military service in Germany had a Yellow Rose of Texas
tattooed on his shoulder and he was told at the time that yellow faded
rapidly but he did it anyway. When I saw it some 15 years after the fact it
was indeed faded badly though the work was excellent but the col0\or was
pretty dull. The leaves were the rugosa type rose leaf (a variety you don;t
see m,uch here in Texas as rugosas are more suited to cold climates-- the
leaves aare very wrinkled and hairy while most roses suited for the south
are smooth leafed.). It was interesting the German tattoo artist did that,
presumably because rugosa roses are more common in Germany. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
I knew a gyt who secretly wore them. He thought they were terrifically
erotic and naughty. Take care
I would get one ionly IF they only lasted a short time. If they faded away
completely in 5-10 years I might do it. I recall when a friend wanted to get
his ear pierced many years ago he got the agreement of all his firends
including me to doi it also, As soon as he did it I declined saying I didn't
want to disfigure myself <G>. He was rightly mad at all of us as none
followed through on the plan. Tale care
My friend who has the Yellow Rose of Texas says he never thinks about it.
After a few months of getting one it fades from memory and it never enters
his mind. Most folks don;t comment on it and it becomes a non issue. Take
You knew Joe Namath???
Joe Namath's were not that big a secret. No, this was a carpenter at a
chemical plant who said he liked the feel of them. Take care
>>>>> You're a Dead Head, John?
>>>> Yep. Big Time.
>>>>
>>>> John P
>>>>
>>> I knew there was something I liked about you. ;-)
>>
>> I collect shows. I have about 4-500 of them right now. All
>> soundboards.
>>
>> John P
>
>Are you also a Phish fan?
No, not really, though I've listened to some of their stuff that I
like. But I've not followed them a' la the Dead. They came at a
different time. My friends' son was a big Phish fan, traveled around
the country to see them. More his generation, it seems
John P
I was reading one of the Sookie Stackhouse books and a vampire shows up
wearing jeans and a Grateful Dead t-shirt, and I had to laugh out loud.
Those T-shirts are quite ubiquitous. I have about 5 or 6 of them
myself.
John P
Well, you would, wouldn't you? You should see my collection of eBay
shirts.
As she said, vampires.
>^.^<