True Romance
Anne Knowles
Thanks
Anne
Ali Lemer
Yes, I saw this last night. Very good, but I wish Tarentino had been allowed
to direct it himself...Tony Scott wasn't very inventive. Great performance from
Arquette.
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thumbs down rating (don't
give away any of the plot please.
Thanks!
Yann Nicolas
Five thumbs up!!!!!
I would give it **** (four stars) or about 8.9 out of 10
It was REALLY good (IMHO)
>Thanks!
Welcome...
Yann
Cal Lott
I would give it a thumbs up, too. It is well worth going to
see, especially if you like the writing of Quentin Tarantino (lately
famous for RESEVOIR DOGS.) Tony Scott directed capably, and the film
has a top-notch cast that are very effective in their roles.
I enjoyed the film a great deal.
Regards,
-Cal
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Greg Bole
> Has anyone seen this movie? I am just interested in a thumbs up or
> thumbs down rating (don't give away any of the plot please)
Well I've already seen two reviews posted here for it already.
(But granted, they also explain a good deal of the plot)
I enjoyed the movie alot, but thought the direction wasn't nearly
as good as the script, the acting, and the characters. It is
pretty violent and in-your-face. Depends if you like that kind of
thing or not.
I also think it's worth it just to see Gary Oldman play a pimp and
drug-dealer who thinks he's black! He was FABULOUS! (This man is
incredible, I've seen him play a Brit, a Southern hic, a presidential
assassin, a Transylvanian count, and now a "black" pimp! He gets
my vote for one of the most versitile actors ever, his vocal talents
are just amazing)
I'd give _True Romance_ a thumbs up, but they'd be higher if Q. Tarantino
had directed the movie himself, rather than Tony "Top Gun" Scott.
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Good script. Good acting. Bad direction. Worth seeing, but not as good as it could have been.
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just absolutely had to see it. I would say that if you are
about to get married, you should absolutely NOT see it.
Paul Fera
Yann Nicolas
Yeah, why not? It was a great movie... About love and commitment... I really
don't see the connection between the movie and the fact that you are about
to get married... Any explanation?
>paul
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Yann
Peter John Paul Massarelli
It appears that there may be some confusion here. When I wrote
the above message I did not realize that there currently is a
film with this title playing in the theatres. The message
(warning) above refers to an Annabelle Sciorra movie with the
same or similar title released a few years back and which is
out on video.
Martin I Lewison
>
>I also think it's worth it just to see Gary Oldman play a pimp and
>drug-dealer who thinks he's black! He was FABULOUS! (This man is
>incredible, I've seen him play a Brit, a Southern hic, a presidential
>assassin, a Transylvanian count, and now a "black" pimp! He gets
>my vote for one of the most versitile actors ever, his vocal talents
>are just amazing)
>
used Tarantino as director. But a *great* movie nonetheless.
But I have one question: What character was Val Kilmer? I've been
going crazy trying to figure it out.
-Martin
P.S. Wasn't that scene with Christopher Walken and Dennis Hoppe awesome?
And we should give credit to Chris Penn and Mr. Blue (from "Dogs") for
another set of great performances. What's Mr. Blue's name, anyway?
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Mr. Black
[_True Romance_ stuff]
>P.S. Wasn't that scene with Christopher Walken and Dennis Hoppe awesome?
>And we should give credit to Chris Penn and Mr. Blue (from "Dogs") for
>another set of great performances. What's Mr. Blue's name, anyway?
Eddie Bunker. It's too bad that he had such low visibility in _Reservoir
Dogs_ -- he's not pictured among the other Dogs on the movie cover or on
the soundtrack tape cover (though his must be one of the six "eyes" on the
cover flap). He had few lines, but they were good ones.
-Dave
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>
>It appears that there may be some confusion here. When I wrote
>the above message I did not realize that there currently is a
>film with this title playing in the theatres. The message
>(warning) above refers to an Annabelle Sciorra movie with the
>same or similar title released a few years back and which is
>out on video.
Ah, you must be referring to "True Love", directed by Nancy Savoca. BTW,
her upcoming film, "Household Saints", just got rave reviews from both
Siskel and Ebert on this week's TV broadcast. In fact, I think Siskel
remarked that it would probably end up on his "ten best" list for 1993.
Looked real interesting from the clips they showed.
Gregg
P. Virgo
>In article <1993Sep14...@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bo...@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>>
>>I also think it's worth it just to see Gary Oldman play a pimp and
>>drug-dealer who thinks he's black! He was FABULOUS! (This man is
>>incredible, I've seen him play a Brit, a Southern hic, a presidential
>>assassin, a Transylvanian count, and now a "black" pimp! He gets
>>my vote for one of the most versitile actors ever, his vocal talents
>>are just amazing)
>>
> I have to agree that Oldman is incredible and that the film could have
>used Tarantino as director. But a *great* movie nonetheless.
>But I have one question: What character was Val Kilmer? I've been
>going crazy trying to figure it out.
He was supposed to be Elvis---he and Slater were having that mentor/mentee
relationship(advice and the like) like Woody Allen and (guy who played the
Speaker of the House in 'Distinguished Gentleman') had in that Allen
movie--whose title NOW escapes me......
curious virgo
>-Martin
>P.S. Wasn't that scene with Christopher Walken and Dennis Hoppe awesome?
>And we should give credit to Chris Penn and Mr. Blue (from "Dogs") for
>another set of great performances. What's Mr. Blue's name, anyway?
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>> mil...@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison) writes:
B> [_True Romance_ stuff]
>> P.S. Wasn't that scene with Christopher Walken and Dennis Hoppe awesome?
>> And we should give credit to Chris Penn and Mr. Blue (from "Dogs") for
>> another set of great performances. What's Mr. Blue's name, anyway?
B> Eddie Bunker. It's too bad that he had such low visibility in _Reservoir
B> Dogs_ -- he's not pictured among the other Dogs on the movie cover or on
B> the soundtrack tape cover (though his must be one of the six "eyes" on the
B> cover flap). He had few lines, but they were good ones.
B> -Dave
B> --
B> Mr. Brown: Dick dick dick dick dick dick dick dick
B> dick dick dick
B> Mr. Blue: How many dicks is that?
B> Mr. White: A lot.
Or:
On Madonna:
Mr Blue: I liked her early stuff...
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however you spell his last name. Val Vilmar was Elvis, but who was
SAmuel Jackson?
THORIN NIELSON
I don't know if Mr. Blue (Eddie Bunker) is in TR, I didn't see him. You
are incorrect, though, Quentin Tarantino was MR. BROWN! And he WAS in TR
(as far as I'm concerned). He wasn't billed, but I believe he was the guy
reading the magazine about Elvis outside the hamburger joint. I see a
real "Quentin Theme" building here (cameo appearance, 3-way Mexican
Standoff), and I hope he keeps it up. These are some of the freshest
movies I've seen in ages and I am delighted.
Tony Scott's directing didn't bother me. How can you not get into a
character so well acted as ALL of these are. Dennis Hopper gets plenty of
votes from me, as well as Oldman of course.
This movie isn't getting the credit it deserves. People should start
raving (besides me), because I honestly can't believe that I heard bad
things before I went.
-the scene with the feathers and cocaine floating the air, was so
beautiful... and I can't believe I think that in terms of the context.
I would consider that at least one scene when the cinematography was done
well (there are plenty others). I. M. H. O.
Greg Bole
pome...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
> Mr. Blue wasn't in True Romance.
Someone else said he was, but I didn't spot him. Who did he play
again? He wasn't the other Vice-cop, that was the actor from
"Murphy Brown".
>Mr. Blue was Quentin Terrintino or however you spell his last name.
Tarantino played Mr. Brown in RD.
>Val Vilmar was Elvis
Kilmer.
>but who was Samuel Jackson?
He played one of the drug dealers that were blown away by Gary Oldman's
character. A *very* small role, but a very talented actor. (Jungle Fever,
Patriot Games, Jurassic Park)
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Martin I Lewison
>Mr. Blue wasn't in True Romance. Mr. Blue was Quentin Terrintino or
>however you spell his last name. Val Vilmar was Elvis, but who was
>SAmuel Jackson?
I don't know who Samuel Jackson was, but I'm pretty sure that Mr. Blue
was the other cop besides Chris Penn. I think Quentin Tarantino was
Mr. Brown in "Dogs". I might be wrong about Blue's name - in any case,
it's the sadistic torturer (switchblade and gasoline) in "Dogs" that's
in TR.
I think. :-)
-Martin
pome...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Mr. Brown was the old guy! I'm really sure of this. QT was
not in True Romance. You know what he looks like, he was the guy in
RD who gave the Madonna speech. The guy reading the Elvis magazine
wasn't him.
Michael Bradley Pennington
> > mil...@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison) writes:
>
> [_True Romance_ stuff]
>
> Dogs_ -- he's not pictured among the other Dogs on the movie cover or on
> the soundtrack tape cover (though his must be one of the six "eyes" on the
> cover flap). He had few lines, but they were good ones.
>
> -Dave
> --
Mr. Blue (Eddie Bunker) is not pictured on the six set of eyes
on the inside of the ResDogs CD. If you look at it you can see
that the six pairs of eyes belong to Joe, Nice Guy Eddie, Mr.
White, Mr. Pink, Mr. Orange, and Mr. Blonde. (Though, not in
that order, b/c I don't have the CD with me right now and I
don't remember the correct order.) It makes sense that he (and
QT-Mr. Brown "That's too much like Mr. Shit" are not among the
six eyes b/c they play the least important roles out of all the
7 main characters.
-Ged
Keith Meng-Wei Loh
but bullshit. :) Not that it was a lie but that after a while there wasn't
anything to think about. I felt the same way about _Wild at Heart_. Just
what is the fascination with white trash couples who like Elvis, anyway and
get caught up in ugly underworld dealings? I hated Tony Scott's direction.
It was like a blue jeans commercial gone terribly wrong. Some of the perfor-
mances I appreciated like the ever slimy Christopher Walken and Gary Oldman's
piratical grin. Dennis Hopper was stretching, though at least he was acting
for once. There is a small article in my daily rag that has Christian Slater
talking about how he gave up living fast. He's quoted saying the same line
he utters in _True Romance_. I just want to live fast, die young and leave
a clean corpse. Was that Elvis? I'm not so sure but I did wish he died
fast, at least *died* instead of coming back to life in that bullshit
ending. The ending, BTW, I thought was Blake Edwards except people died
and the only person with a funny accent was Bronson Pinchot. So, was that
power-head movie producer supposed to be Joe Silver or what?
Greg Bole
(Martin I Lewison) writes:
> I'm pretty sure that Mr. Blue was the other cop besides Chris Penn.
Ahhh, so you're the one who started this rumor. Mr. Blue was a
middle-aged man, the other cop in TR was much younger. In fact as I
mentioned it was the same actor who plays Eldon (sp?) Murphy Brown's
handyman on TV. Someone else mentioned the name of the actor who
played Mr. Blue and he wasn't in TR.
> I might be wrong about Blue's name - in any case, it's the sadistic
> torturer (switchblade and gasoline) in "Dogs" that's in TR.
Ohhhhhhh...that wasn't Mr. Blue, that was Mr. Blonde. (Is blonde a
color???) He wasn't in _True Romance_ either. Someone else posted
both actors names and mentioned how they look similar and have even
been in the same movie before.
And I agree with the person who said Quentin Tarantino was the guy in
the burger joint who was reading the magazine with the Elvis article.
Fun cameo. (I liked the whole Elvis theme)
Scott Hollifield
MB>> mil...@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison) writes:
MB>>P.S. Wasn't that scene with Christopher Walken and Dennis Hoppe awesome?
MB>>And we should give credit to Chris Penn and Mr. Blue (from "Dogs") for
MB>>another set of great performances. What's Mr. Blue's name, anyway?
MB>Eddie Bunker. It's too bad that he had such low visibility in _Reservoir
MB>Dogs_ -- he's not pictured among the other Dogs on the movie cover or on
MB>the soundtrack tape cover (though his must be one of the six "eyes" on the
MB>cover flap). He had few lines, but they were good ones.
But where was he in True Romance (as Martin Lewis says)? Maybe Mr. Blue
is being confused again with Mr. Blonde; his alter ego Michael Madsen
wasn't in TR either, but there one of the cops was played by a guy who
looked like Madsen.
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PO>Mr. Blue wasn't in True Romance. Mr. Blue was Quentin Terrintino or
PO>however you spell his last name.
No, Mr. Blue was Eddie Bunker, the older guy with the speckled
complexion who didn't say much.
Tarantino played Mr. Brown.
Mr. Black
>I see a real "Quentin Theme" building here (cameo appearance, 3-way Mexican
>Standoff), and I hope he keeps it up. These are some of the freshest
>movies I've seen in ages and I am delighted.
Agreed. But now I wonder: why didn't Tarantino direct TR, being that he'd
done such a good job with RD?
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Martin I Lewison <mil...@cislabs.pitt.edu> wrote:
>In article <1993Sep21....@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> pome...@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
>>Mr. Blue wasn't in True Romance. Mr. Blue was Quentin Terrintino or
>>however you spell his last name. Val Vilmar was Elvis, but who was
>>SAmuel Jackson?
>
>I don't know who Samuel Jackson was, but I'm pretty sure that Mr. Blue
>was the other cop besides Chris Penn. I think Quentin Tarantino was
>Mr. Brown in "Dogs". I might be wrong about Blue's name - in any case,
>it's the sadistic torturer (switchblade and gasoline) in "Dogs" that's
>in TR.
Samuel Jackson had a pretty small roll in th efilm---He walked
into the hotel room that Oldman and his bodyguard were in,
and then got shot.
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>
>And I agree with the person who said Quentin Tarantino was the guy in
>the burger joint who was reading the magazine with the Elvis article.
I just felt like pointing out that while Tarantino was writing Reservoir
Dogs (and perhaps True Romance) he lived on the money that kept flowing
in after he'd once been in a Golden Girls episode playing an...
<drum roll>
...Elvis impersonator!
So... anyone know when True Romance will hit Europe?
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TN>I don't know if Mr. Blue (Eddie Bunker) is in TR, I didn't see him. You
TN>are incorrect, though, Quentin Tarantino was MR. BROWN! And he WAS in TR
TN>(as far as I'm concerned). He wasn't billed, but I believe he was the guy
TN>reading the magazine about Elvis outside the hamburger joint.
Nope, that wasn't Tarantino. I don't know who that guy was, but I would
have recognized Tarantino.
TN>Tony Scott's directing didn't bother me. How can you not get into a
TN>character so well acted as ALL of these are. Dennis Hopper gets plenty of
TN>votes from me, as well as Oldman of course.
Yes, all the characters were fabulous, and the script was excellent.
However, Tony Scott's direction was a negative, not a positive. Scott
kept going for the slick MTV shot, and his pacing was much more
traditional Hollywood than Tarantino's in ResDogs.
Unlike someone else who's posted here, I did kind of like the shootout
scene and the way it was shot. The bit with the feathers in the air was
a shameless visual gimmick, but it pushed my button. I guess there's a
little MTV left in me. :-) I also kind of liked the phone booth scene.
Scott's direction, as doggedly slick as it was, wasn't nearly enough to
harm Tarantino's screenplay, though. I saw the tacked-on happy ending a
mile away, but I was damn curious all the way through wondering how
Tarantino would have done this or that.
TN>This movie isn't getting the credit it deserves. People should start
TN>raving (besides me), because I honestly can't believe that I heard bad
TN>things before I went.
I really can't emphasize the characters enough. There was not a SINGLE
character in the entire film that I was scornful of or even indifferent
to. They were all great; it was like characterization Avalon.
Cal Lott
>Quoted from: tnielson@mccoy (THORIN NIELSON)
>TN>Tony Scott's directing didn't bother me. How can you not get into a
>TN>character so well acted as ALL of these are. Dennis Hopper gets plenty of
>TN>votes from me, as well as Oldman of course.
>Yes, all the characters were fabulous, and the script was excellent.
>However, Tony Scott's direction was a negative, not a positive. Scott
>kept going for the slick MTV shot, and his pacing was much more
>traditional Hollywood than Tarantino's in ResDogs.
I have heard many people complaining about Tony Scott's
direction, which did not bother me in the film -- I, like Thorin, was
engrossed in the superior writing and acting and did not catch
anything that annoyed me about Tony Scott. True, the direction was not
spectacular, but it wasn't miserable, either.
Could those who disliked the direction be more specific in
their criticism? It would help me understand where you are coming
from. (Perhaps I simply don't know the difference between good and bad
direction.)
>Unlike someone else who's posted here, I did kind of like the shootout
>scene and the way it was shot. The bit with the feathers in the air was
>a shameless visual gimmick, but it pushed my button. I guess there's a
>little MTV left in me. :-) I also kind of liked the phone booth scene.
I liked the shot of the two leads in front of the billboard
at night, as well.
I also found the shoot-out interesting -- Tarantino must have
watched THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY several times, since he has
written a three-way gun fight in each of his screenplays so far.
8-)
>Scott's direction, as doggedly slick as it was, wasn't nearly enough to
>harm Tarantino's screenplay, though. I saw the tacked-on happy ending a
>mile away, but I was damn curious all the way through wondering how
>Tarantino would have done this or that.
In retrospect, I wish that they would not have given the film
a happy, Hollywood ending. It wasn't true to the spirit of the
screenplay. (Consider how the ending lessens the foreshadowing of
Elvis' last comment in the bathroom before the shootout: "I always
thought you were cool, man. <Snaps fingers and points> I always
will.")
>TN>This movie isn't getting the credit it deserves. People should start
>TN>raving (besides me), because I honestly can't believe that I heard bad
>TN>things before I went.
>I really can't emphasize the characters enough. There was not a SINGLE
>character in the entire film that I was scornful of or even indifferent
>to. They were all great; it was like characterization Avalon.
Dittos here. Quentin Tarantino has given us two utterly
terrific screenplays in RESERVOIR DOGS and TRUE ROMANCE. I hope he
keeps up the good work.
I can't recommend TRUE ROMANCE highly enough -- you may or may
not find Tony Scott's direction off-putting, but nothing could sink
the terrific writing and acting to be found in this film.
Regards,
-Cal
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c...@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) writes:
> I have heard many people complaining about Tony Scott's
>direction, which did not bother me in the film -- I, like Thorin, was
>engrossed in the superior writing and acting and did not catch
>anything that annoyed me about Tony Scott. True, the direction was not
>spectacular, but it wasn't miserable, either.
>
> Could those who disliked the direction be more specific in
>their criticism? It would help me understand where you are coming
>from. (Perhaps I simply don't know the difference between good and bad
>direction.)
When I reviewed TRUE ROMANCE, I noted my primary beef with Tony
Scott as a director: there isn't an ounce of creativity in the way
he tells his story visually. Every shot is either an extreme
close-up, or a fight scene. If you watch TOP GUN, THE LAST BOY
SCOUT, BEVERLY HILLS COP II or DAYS OF THUNDER, you'll see the exact
same thing over and over and over. Oh, and lots of light filtered
through smoke. I just think a writer like Tarantino deserved _much_
better.
> Regards,
>
> -Cal
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James Kewageshig
TY>Tony Scott's directing didn't bother me.
I kinda agree here. I think that his 'It's-Miller-Time' style of filming
can get old easily, but he's not that bad. I think he's caught between
what I think are his 2 major influences: His bro, Ridley, and Michael Mann.
TY>Dennis Hopper gets plenty of votes from me, as well as Oldman of course.
Yeah, they we're both great, especially Oldman. I thought Walken was good,
but a little too sterotypical ('... you.. I love dis guy!')
TY>This movie isn't getting the credit it deserves. People should start
TY>raving (besides me), because I honestly can't believe that I heard bad
TY>things before I went.
I think that joe public (at least here in USA/Canada) aren't ready for
this style of movie/storyline, unlike us openminded individuals here
in arts.rec.movie... ;). I too heard some snickering during some of the
'hokey-but-believeable' scenes ('...thats SO ROMANTIC!').
TY>-the scene with the feathers and cocaine floating the air, was so
TY>beautiful... and I can't believe I think that in terms of the context.
yeah, I saw the movie again on Tue, and that shot where the black cop
sit's on the couch on/in the feathers, is a pretty powerful shot.
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Greg Bole
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>> Could those who disliked the direction be more specific in
>>their criticism? It would help me understand where you are coming
>>from. (Perhaps I simply don't know the difference between good and bad
>>direction.)
>
> When I reviewed TRUE ROMANCE, I noted my primary beef with Tony
> Scott as a director: there isn't an ounce of creativity in the way
> he tells his story visually. Every shot is either an extreme
> close-up, or a fight scene. If you watch TOP GUN...
Did anyone else see the scenes shot from a rollercoaster zipping around
and doing loops as Tony Scott needed to throw in "need for speed" scene?
Reminded me alot of _Top Gun_.
But then again one person's lack-of-creativity is another person's
"directorial trademark". Who can say what this was...it works for
some directors, but in this case I wasn't particulary thrilled to be
reminded of Scott's love of jet-fighter/race-car/(now)rollercoaster
scenes. I call it lack-of-creativity in this case.
Ramona Freedman
ruin a GREAT screenplay.
I'm probably going to get flamed, but I was one of the (cough) average people
who walked out on Reservoir Dogs (I have since seen it on disc): although
it had some great aspects, the overall effect was completely one tone. It was
grating and unpleasant with no catharsis. My favorite actor in the film was Tim
Roth and I couldn't stand him bleeding to death the entire film. Obviously
Tarantino did that on purpose to create tension, but it went over the edge and
never resolved in a way to release tension. (I had a similar unpleasant sense
in Blood Simple, but when that one wrapped up, it releaved tension...)
True Romance I enjoyed alot, despite some flaws. I thought the three way
shootout was the obvious choice (get them all in the room and then...Blam!)--I
wanted someone to back off just to be unobvious!
I also liked the happy ending because I just couldn't see any point to the movie
if they killed off Christian Slater except to force the film NOT to have a happy
ending which is a cop-out in a way. I agree with someone who said it was a good
way to contrast the lovers' gray lives before meeting.
The NEW T.J. Hooker. Nice.
Ramona
Alexander Caldwell Schneider
I was prettyy disgusted with the happy ending of True Romance. The fact
that Clarance walks out with a flesh wound and lives happily ever after
with Alabama is a substantial cop-out by Scott. He was just giving in to
the majority of the moviegoing public who are confused and unsatisfied
by movies in which the protagonist dies, even if the death of the hero
is important to the plot. But Scott had no choice, as this is what makes
him a successful director.
As for Mr. Orange's bleeding, I think that the fact that he is almost
dead throughout the movie is pretty important to the story. Consider
how much would have been different if he died at the scene of the robbery
or if he had not been wounded at the robbery and died abruptly at the
end. If the sight of blood or the agony is a problem, what can I say? That's
what happens in the movie, take it or leave it.
Alex
Steve L Portigal
in True Romance.
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Andrew R. Maskiell
Samuel Jackson played one of the guys that Gary Oldman (the pimp) shot in the
motel room.
Mig Gomez
I just heard on the radio about another scene that was altered in
True Romance (besides the happy ending).
According to the report, in the climactic shootout in the hotel
room, it was Alabama who shot the white cop (after she saw Clarence
get hit). The producers didn't want to offend the Police and had it
edited so that it appears that one of the mob guys shot the cop.
It's things like these that makes me wish there was such a thing as
a screenwriter's cut!
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Gomez
Randy C. Cosby
Ramona,
Luckily, I had seen the film, but put spoilers in the subject
when you are giving away some of the film "secrets".
I enjoyed it tremendously. Kilmer's Elvis was great!
You work for 3Com????
Randy Cosby
Network Manager
Texas Children's Hospital
Philip Wu
>I also liked the happy ending because I just couldn't see any point to the movie
>if they killed off Christian Slater except to force the film NOT to have a happy
>ending which is a cop-out in a way. I agree with someone who said it was a good
>way to contrast the lovers' gray lives before meeting.
Ok, but the way they did it was stupid. Christian Slater gets shot in the
eye and *WALKS* out of the hotel???!?!?!? I could understand him not dying,
but the ending just seemed completely out of place.
How about: He dies, she takes the money to Cancun, has the kid, and still
names him Elvis. I think this would have been more acceptable.
Phil
Toby Koosman
True Romance was a better movie than I was prepared for. I enjoyed the acting
and the dialogue especially. I don't know how to evaluate the directing
without knowing more about any different intentions Tarantino may have had. I
do find it hard to justify my enjoyment of a movie with so much graphic
violence which is essentially a parody, though a well-crafted and artistically
serious one. Reservoir Dogs was a tragedy, True Romance a comedy with no
apparent point beyond entertainment. A guy is living out his movie fantasies,
people are dying like flies on all sides of him on account of the unbelievable
stupidity that he thinks is coolness, until finally they all blow each other
away and he walks off with the girl and the gold. Cute.
Reservoir Dogs did not glamorize violence--those guys were anything but
glamorous, cops and robbers alike. But this movie was _about_ the
glamorization of violence, and not noticeably critical of it. I wonder if the
script changes and particularly the "happy" ending made it a more cynical or
shallow story. Or perhaps I have overestimated Tarantino's depth of purpose.
What do you think of the resemblance between this movie and Wild at Heart? It
pleased me to imagine that True Romance was negatively inspired by it, as
though Tarantino saw Wild at Heart and thought, Shit, I could do that right.
Admirers of Mr. Lynch are free to take issue.
Toby Koosman koo...@utkvx.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
Knoxville, Tennessee USA
Reginald Martin u
: I was prettyy disgusted with the happy ending of True Romance. The fact
: that Clarance walks out with a flesh wound and lives happily ever after
: with Alabama is a substantial cop-out by Scott. He was just giving in to
: the majority of the moviegoing public who are confused and unsatisfied
: by movies in which the protagonist dies, even if the death of the hero
: is important to the plot. But Scott had no choice, as this is what makes
: him a successful director.
There was no reason for Clarence _not_ to make it out alive. I thought
that Scott was very brave by letting him live, since these days most
people seem to think that a movie isn't good unless it's depressing.
How was Clarence dying important to the plot?
: As for Mr. Orange's bleeding, I think that the fact that he is almost
: dead throughout the movie is pretty important to the story. Consider
: how much would have been different if he died at the scene of the robbery
: or if he had not been wounded at the robbery and died abruptly at the
: end. If the sight of blood or the agony is a problem, what can I say? That's
: what happens in the movie, take it or leave it.
I just saw this movie this weekend (for the first time) and enjoyed it very
much. However, I did think that the ending was weak. This time Tarentino
is the one making the cop-out, by killing Mr Orange at the end. Why
did Mr Orange tell Mr White that he was a cop?... Because he felt he owed
it to him?... That's just dumb.
Reg Martin
IDC Database
mart...@mach1.wlu.ca (Reginald Martin u) writes:
>Alexander Caldwell Schneider (a...@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
>: I was prettyy disgusted with the happy ending of True Romance. The fact
>: that Clarance walks out with a flesh wound and lives happily ever after
>: with Alabama is a substantial cop-out by Scott. He was just giving in to
>: the majority of the moviegoing public who are confused and unsatisfied
>: by movies in which the protagonist dies, even if the death of the hero
>: is important to the plot. But Scott had no choice, as this is what makes
>: him a successful director.
>
>There was no reason for Clarence _not_ to make it out alive. I thought
>that Scott was very brave by letting him live, since these days most
>people seem to think that a movie isn't good unless it's depressing.
>How was Clarence dying important to the plot?
Hey, folks, when you're going to be talking about the ending of a
film in current release, put up a SPOILER warning, all right? O
Otherwise, take it to email.
Toby Koosman
>much. However, I did think that the ending was weak. This time Tarentino
>is the one making the cop-out, by killing Mr Orange at the end. Why
>did Mr Orange tell Mr White that he was a cop?... Because he felt he owed
>it to him?... That's just dumb.
A cop-out that Mr. Orange dies in the end? Mr. Orange was dying in the
beginning. The whole movie is about Mr. Orange dying.
Do you mean that you wanted the movie to go on forever?
As for the confession, whether it is well-motivated or not, the final
irony of Mr. White's discovery is necessary to the story, don't you
think? It's the punchline.
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University of Tennessee Bitnet: takoosma@utkvx
Knoxville, TN USA
James Kewageshig
[ POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!! ]
RM>Big thumbs down for Tony Scott, but even his lacklustre direction couldn't
RM>ruin a GREAT screenplay.
RM>I also liked the ????????????? ending because I just couldn't see any point
RM>to the movie if.... [rest deleted...]
RM>Ramona
Ramona... tsk, tsk, coulda just ruined it for someone again...
Brian J Goddard
>There was no reason for Clarence _not_ to make it out alive. I thought
>that Scott was very brave by letting him live, since these days most
>people seem to think that a movie isn't good unless it's depressing.
>How was Clarence dying important to the plot?
How could he not come out alive? He had Elvis watching over him. ;)
--+ Brian Goddard