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* It's the Official Netters' MUST-SEE MOVIES Checklist!!! *
* v 1.0 *
* by David Friedman *
* d...@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu *
* Last Revision: May 5, 1994 *
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INTRODUCTION

Here's the Introduction:
This is the Official Netters' MUST-SEE MOVIES Checklist!!! Version 1.0
This is NOT a FAQ. As this is the first version, there have yet to be any
questions asked about it, let alone any Frequently Asked Questions.
There IS a section, however, of Infrequently Asked Questions. These are
questions that might come up while reading the list, but they haven't been
asked of me yet. I thought I'd include 'em anyway so I don't have to answer
too many questions down the road. Enough said, let's get to it:


TABLE OF CONTENTS

No table of contents. I always thought they were a waste of space. Just
keep reading...


INFREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS about The List

1. Why do we have The List?

Well, that's quite simple. It's best summarized by putting here some
excerpts from the post that started it all. Read:

---START---
A friend of mine recently asked me to help her come up with a list of
must-see movies that she should watch over vacation. Being put-on-the-
spot, I was only able to come up with about forty or fifty. So I ask
all of you to send me titles of what YOU consider to be must-see movies.
The guidelines are as follows:

No OBVIOUS must-see movies that chances are everybody has already seen
(e.g. Star Wars). "Everybody" in this case is defined as "a reasonably
educated person of 20 years of age who has enough of an interest in movies
that she has seen plenty of them but would like to further educate
herself."

No rarely-seen movies. She wants to see must-see moviest that might
actually come up in an intellectual conversation about cinema without other
people saying "Huh? I've never heard of that one."

A good tip: If you've ever been discussing cinema with an equally-educated
movie buff, and you've mentioned a movie to which they replied "I've never
seen that one. Always wanted to, but never got around to seeing it,"
prompting you to say "WHAT?! You've NEVER SEEN So-And-So?! You've GOT to
see it!" Send that title. Chances are, she's never seen it either.
---END---

I got a vastly overwhelming response to this single post. Many people
requested that I send them the completed list. So I decided to compile it
all. These are the titles that YOU people said were MUST-SEE MOVIES.
I didn't make up the list, I only typed it all up. The members of
rec.arts.movies made this list, so I give it to the members of
rec.arts.movies. That's why the apostrophe comes AFTER the word "Netters"
in the title. It is by the Netters and for the Netters.

2. How on Earth can you justify calling [insert movie here] a MUST-SEE
MOVIE?

Since the titles are things that people sent me, I felt it beyond me to
decide that even though they feel a certain movie is a MUST-SEE, I don't
and therefore it doesn't deserve to be on The List. So for the most part,
if someone sent me the movie title, I added it to the list. I did use
SOME discretion, though. For instance, I'm sorry but I could not justify
calling _Leonard, Part 6_ a MUST-SEE MOVIE. I tried to make sure that
most of the titles followed the guidelines listed above, but I did let
some slip by.

3. How on Earth can you NOT include [insert movie here] as a MUST-SEE
MOVIE?

Well, first of all, it's possible that nobody sent me that title.
Secondly, it's possible that I felt it didn't meet the guidelines listed
above. Thirdly, it's possible you're talking about _Leonard, Part 6_.
If you're really concerned, e-mail me about it and I'll either add it to
the list or tell you why I decided against adding it.

4. What are those question marks scattered around some of the years or
directors on the list?

Well, if there is a question mark, it means that I either did not know
the year or director of the film or I wasn't certain. If you know the
answer, please e-mail me so I can update it. I'm pretty sure that I
got all of them right, but I'm only human. And considering the fact that
I requested everyone to send me the YEARS and DIRECTORS for all the movie
titles they sent me if they knew them and only got a couple who actually
DID, I think I did a pretty decent job getting all those titles and
names pretty accurately.

5. Why are there little lines in front of all the movie titles?

It's a checklist, silly! There has to be a space for putting a check-mark
next to the movies you've seen!

6. Well now that I've got this large list, what am I supposed to do with it?

For starters, print it out! Then go down your list and check off all the
movies that you've seen already. The total number is your List Factor.
The way I figure it, List Factor scores break down as follows:

0 - 15 Time to get a VCR
16 - 50 Not too bad if you live in a small
town with a one-screen theatre that
gets a new movie once every six
months or so.
51 - 80 Not bad at all, considering the wide
variety of movies that are on The
List.
81 - 120 Good going! Keep watching 'em!
121 - 200 Wow...! Quite the movie-goer!
201 - 300 Who do you think you are?
Gene Siskel?!
301 - 400 Slow down! You're gonna wear out
your VCR!
400 + I think SOMEONE has a WEE bit too
much time on their hands! Mighty
impressive!

7. So now that I've got my List Factor, what am I supposed to do with it?

Get on over to rec.arts.movies and let us all know what it is! We can all
post our List Factor numbers and learn just how much each person has seen.
Perhaps the average List Factor can tell us something about the average
rec.arts.movies poster. I dunno, I'm not much of a statitician.

8. And once I've done that, what am I supposed to do with this large print-
out that I've just made? Recycle the paper?

Hardly! Keep it handy! How many times have you gone to a video store only
to find that the movie you really wanted was out. You walk around the
store thinking, "Gee. There's nothing here I really want to see." Well
now you've got a whole List of MUST-SEE MOVIES! Get yourself one of those
Video Movie Guides (I recommend the Martin & Porter version) and look up
some of the movies on the list that you haven't seen. You'll be surprised
to find that you'll want to see quite a few of them! You'll learn quite a
bit. Are you a big Jack Nicholson fan who always wanted to know where you
could find a musical where he SINGS? Try _Tommy_. Are you wondering why
the scene in _The Untouchables_ where the baby carriage falls down the
stairs looked familiar? Rent _The Battleship Potemkin_ and find out why.
Work on increasing your List Factor!

9. How often are you going to update and repost this thing?

Perhaps monthly, perhaps more or less frequently. I dunno. Maybe I'll
make it available for ftp someplace. Anybody know of a good ftp site that
might want it?

10. How come you wrote "Dr. Strangelove" instead of "Dr. Strangelove; or
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb" which is the real
entire title?

Well it just wouldn't all fit. I'm sorry. But if you go to your local
video store and ask for "Dr. Strangelove," they should know what you're
talking about. Incidentally, that is the same reason that you won't find
"Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex (But Were Afraid To Ask)"
on the list. But just for completeness, it was directed by Woody Allen
and released in 1972.

11. Hey! Ya know what you could do that would really make this thing
a million times better?!

No, but if you e-mail me, you can let me know!

12. Do you realize that some of your movie titles are out of order?

Really? Oops... Let me know which ones and I'll fix it. I tried
to do it all alphabetically, but I made some mistakes I guess.

13. What are the strange numbers and names after the movie titles?

The year of release and the name of the director. Duh...

14. Hey... Are you getting hostile with me?

No, I just kinda thought it was sorta obvious... I mean, you did ask about
the years and directors way back in question number four.

15. Yeah well did you stop to think that maybe I forgot?

[Insert rolling-eyes-towards-the-ceiling emoticon here]
(if anyone has an emoticon to express this, please let me know)

16. And besides, you're not quite mister wonderful yourself if you had so
much time on your hands that you could actually type this thing up.
What, don't you have a social life?

Well it just so happens that I used this thing as a diversion from studying
for my finals, okay? Ya can't blame a guy for procrastinating! Sheesh!
Anyway, without any further ado, here is...


THE LIST!!!

_Abyss, The (1989, James Cameron)
_Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1989, Terry Gilliam)
_Adventures of Robin Hood, The (1939, Michael Curtiz)
_African Queen, The (1951, John Huston)
_After Hours (1985, Martin Scorsese)
_Akira (1990, Katsuhiro Otomo)
_Alien (1979, Ridley Scott)
_All That Jazz (1979, Bob Fosse)
_All the President's Men (1976, Alan J. Pakula)
_Amadeus (1984, Milos Forman)
_American in Paris, An (1951, Vincente Minelli)
_American Graffiti (1973, George Lucas)
_American Werewolf in London, An (1981, John Landis)
_Angel at My Table, An (1990, Jane Campion)
_Animal House (1978, John Landis)
_Annie Hall (1977, Woody Allen)
_Antarctica (1984, Koreyoshi Kurahara)
_Apocalypse Now (1979, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Asphalt Junglt, The (1950, John Huston)
_Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (1980, John DeBello)
_Autumn Sonata (1978, Ingmar Bergman)
_Backdraft (1991, Ron Howard)
_Back to the Future (1985, Robert Zemeckis)
_Barton Fink (1991, Joel Coen)
_Battleship Potemkin, The (1921, Sergei Eisenstein)
_Beastmaster (1982, Don Coscarelli)
_Beetlejuice (1988, Tim Burton)
_Being There (1979, Hal Ashby)
_Ben-Hur (1954, William Wyler)
_Better Off Dead (1985, Savage Steve Holland
_Bicycle Thief, The (1949, Vittorio de Sica)
_Big Sleep, The (1944, Howard Hawks)
_Biloxi Blues (1988, Mike Nichols)
_Birds, The (1963, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Birdy (1985, Alan Parker)
_Birth of a Nation (1915, D. W. Griffith)
_Black Narcissus (1947, Michael Powell)
_Black Stallion, The (1979, Carroll Ballard)
_Blade Runner (1982, Ridley Scott)
_Blazing Saddles (1974, Mel Brooks)
_Blob, The (1958, Irvin S. Yeaworth, Jr.)
_Blood Simple (1984, Joel Coen)
_Blue Velvet (1986, David Lynch)
_Blues Brothers, The (1980, John Landis)
_Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (1969, Paul Mazursky)
_Bob Roberts (199?, ?????????)
_Body Double (1984, Brian De Palma)
_Bonnie & Clyde (1967, Arthur Penn)
_Brazil (1985, Terry Gilliam)
_Breakfast at Tiffany's (1961, Blake Edwards)
_Breakfast Club, The (1985, John Hughes)
_Breaking the Sound Barrier (1952, David Lean)
_Breathless (1959, Jean-Luc Godard)
_Bridge on the River Kwai, The (1957, David Lean)
_Bringing Up Baby (1938, Howard Hawks)
_Broadcast News (1987, James L. Brooks)
_Buckaroo Banzai (19??, ????????)
_Bullitt (1968, Peter Yates)
_Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969, George Roy Hill)
_Cabinet of Doctor Caligari, The (1919, Robert Wiene)
_Candidate, The (1972, Michael Ritchie)
_Cannery Row (1982, David S. Ward)
_Cape Fear (1962, J. Lee Thompson)
_Cape Fear (1992, Martin Scorsese)
_Captain Blood (1935, Michael Curtiz)
_Carefree (1938, Mark Sondrich)
_Carrie (1976, Brian De Palma)
_Casablanca (1943, Michael Curtiz)
_Cat On a Hot Tin Roof (1958, Richard Brooks)
_Chariots of Fire (1981, Hugh Hudson)
_Chinatown (1974, Roman Polanski)
_Christmas Story, A (1983, Bob Clark)
_Cinema Paradiso (1989, Giuseppe Tornatore)
_Citizen Kane (1941, Orson Welles)
_City Lights (1932, Charles Chaplin)
_Clockwork Orange, A (1971, Stanley Kubrick)
_Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977, Steven Spielberg)
_Cook, the Thief, the Wife & Her Lover (1990, Peter Greenaway)
_Cool Hand Luke (1967, Stuart Rosenberg)
_Conversation, The (1974, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Cries and Whispers (1972, Ingmar Bergman)
_Crying Game, The (1992, ???????)
_Cyrano de Bergerac (1950, Michael Gordon)
_Cyrano de Bergerac (1990, Jean Paul Rappeneau)
_Dances With Wolves (1990, Kevin Costner)
_Dangerous Liasons (1989, Stephen Frears)
_Danton (1982, Andrzej Wajda)
_Darkman (1990, Sam Raimi)
_Das Boot (1981, Wolfgang Petersen)
_Dave (1993, Ivan Reitman)
_Day the Earth Stood Still, The (1951, Robert Wise)
_Dazed and Confused (1993, Richard Linklater)
_Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid (1982, Carl Reiner)
_Deep Throat (197?, ????????)
_Deer Hunter, The (1978, Michael Cimino)
_Delicatessan (19??, ????????)
_Devil and Daniel Webster, The (1941, William Dieterie)
_Dial M for Murder (1954, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Die Hard (1988, John McTiernan)
_Diner (1982, Barry Levinson)
_Diva (1982, Jean-Jacques Beineix)
_Dirty Dozen, The (1967, Robert Aldrich)
_Do the Right Thing (1989, Spike Lee)
_Dog Day Afternoon (1975, Sidney Lumet)
_Dr. No (1962, Terence Young)
_Dr. Strangelove (1964, Stanley Kubrick)
_Dr. Zhivago (1965, David Lean)
_Down By Law (19??, ????????)
_Dream a Little Dream (1989, Marc Rocco)
_Double Life of Veronique, The (1989, Krystof Kieslowski)
_Down By Law (1986, Jim Jarmusch)
_Dracula (1979, John Badham)
_Driving Miss Daisy (1989, Bruce Beresford)
_Drugstore Cowboy (1989, Gus Van Sant, Jr.)
_Duck Soup (1933, Leo McCarey)
_E.T.--The Extra Terrestrial (1982, Steven Spielberg)
_Easy Rider (1969, Dennis Hopper)
_East of Eden (1955, Elia Kazan)
_Eating (1991, Henry Jaglom)
_Elephant Man, The (1980, David Lynch)
_Emerald Forest, The (1985, John Boorman)
_Eraserhead (1978, David Lynch)
_Evil Dead, The (1982, Sam Raimi)
_Excalibur (1981, John Boorman)
_Exorcist, The (1973, William Friedkin)
_Face to Face (1975, Ingmar Bergman)
_Fail-Safe (1964, Sidney Lumet)
_Fantasia (19??, Walt Disney?)
_Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1982, Amy Heckerling)
_Fatal Attraction (1987, Adrian Lyne)
_Father of the Bride (1950, Vincente Minelli)
_Father of the Bride (199?, ????????)
_Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986, John Hughes)
_Field of Dreams (1989, Phil Alden Robinson)
_Fish Called Wanda, A (1988, Charles Crichton)
_Fisher King, The (19??, ????????)
_Five Easy Pieces (1970, Bob Rafelson)
_Five Thousand Fingers of Dr. T, The (1952, Roy Rowland)
_Fly, The (1958, Kurt Neumann)
_Fly, The (1986, David Cronenberg)
_Forbidden Planet (1956, Fred McLeod Wilcox)
_Four Weddings and a Funeral (1994, Mike Newell)
_400 Blows, The (1959, Francois Truffaut)
_Frankenstein (1931, James Whale)
_Freaks (1932, Tod Browning)
_French Connection, The (1971, William Friedkin)
_From Here to Eternity (1953, Fred Zinneman)
_Full Metal Jacket (1987, Stanley Kubrick)
_F/X (1986, Robert Mandel)
_Galipoli (1981, Peter Weir)
_Gay Divorcee, The (1934, Mark Sandrich)
_General, The (1927, Buster Keaton)
_Ghostbusters (1984, Ivan Reitman)
_Giant (1956, George Stevens)
_Godfather, The (1972, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Godfather Part II, The (1974, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Godzilla, King of the Monsters (1956, Inoshiro Honda & Terry Morse)
_Goldfinger (1964, Guy Hamilton)
_Gold Rush, The (1923, Charles Chaplin)
_Gone With The Wind (1939, Victor Fleming)
_Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The (1966, Sergio Leone)
_Goodfellas (1990, Martin Scorsese)
_Grand Canyon (19??, ????????)
_Grand Hotel (1932, Edmund Goulding)
_Graduate, The (1967, Mike Nichols)
_Grand Illusion (1937, Jean Renoir)
_Grapes of Wrath, The (1940, John Ford)
_Great Dictator, The (1940, Charles Chaplin)
_Great Escape, The (1963, John Sturgis)
_Great Expectations (1946, David Lean)
_Greed (1924, Erich Von Stroheim)
_Green Card (1990, Peter Weir)
_Groundhog Day (199?, Ivan Reitman?)
_Gunfighter, The (1950, Henry King)
_Gunga Din (1939, George Stevens)
_Guns of Navarone, The (1961, J. Lee Thompson)
_Hair (1979, Milos Forman)
_Hamlet (1948, Laurence Olivier)
_Handmaid's Tale, The (1990, Volker Schlnodorff)
_Harakiri (1963, Masaki Kobayashi)
_Hard Day's Night, A (1964, Richard Lester)
_Harold and Maude (1972, Hal Ashby)
_Head (1968, Rob Rafelson)
_Heathers (1989, Michael Lehmann)
_Heavy Metal (198?, ????????)
_Henry V (1989, Kenneth Branagh)
_Hidden, The (1987, Jack Sholder)
_Hidden Fortress, The (1961, Akira Kurosawa)
_High and Low (1962, Akira Kurosawa)
_Highlander (1986, Russell Mulcahy)
_High Noon (1952, Fred Zinnemann)
_His Girl Friday (1939, Howard Hawks)
_Hope and Glory (1987, John Boorman)
_Howard's End (1992, James Ivory)
_Hudsucker Proxy, The (1994, Joel Coen)
_Hunchback of Notre Dame, The (1923, Wallace Worsley)
_Hunchback of Notre Dame, The (1939, William Dieterie)
_Impromptu (1991, James Lapine)
_Intolerance (1917, D. W. Griffith)
_Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956, Don Siegel)
_It Happened One Night (1933, Frank Capra)
_It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World (1963, Stanley Kramer)
_It's a Wonderful Life (1946, Frank Capra)
_Jacob's Ladder (1990, Adrian Lyne)
_Jason and the Argonauts (1963, John Chaffey)
_Jaws (1975, Steven Spielberg)
_Jean de Flourette (1987, Claude Berri)
_Jerk, The (1979, Carl Reiner)
_Johnny Suede (19??, ????????)
_Jungle Book, The (1967, Wolfgang Reitherman)
_Kentucky Fried Movie (1977, John Landis)
_King Kong (1933, Cooper and Schoedsack)
_Klute (1971, Alan Pakula)
_La Dolce Vita (1960, Federico Fellini)
_La Femme Nikita (1991, Luc Besson)
_La Strada (1954, Federico Fellini)
_Lady Eve, The (1941, Preston Sturges)
_Lady From Shanghai (1948, Orson Welles)
_Last Picture Show, The (1971, Peter Bogdanovich)
_Last Tango in Paris (1972, Bernardo Bertolucci)
_Laura (1944, Otto Preminger)
_Lawrence of Arabia (1962, David Lean)
_Letter From an Unknown Woman (1948, Max Ophuls)
_Life of Brian (1979, Terry Jones)
_Little Big Man (1970, Arthur Penn)
_Little Caesar (1930, Marvin LeRoy)
_Local Hero (1983, Bill Forsyth)
_Lolita (1962, Stanley Kubrick)
_Lost Horizon (1937, Frank Capra)
_M (1931, Fritz Lang)
_M*A*S*H (1970, Robert Altman)
_Mad Max (1979, George Miller)
_Magnificent Ambersons, The (1944, Orson Welles)
_Maltese Falcon, The (1940, John Huston)
_Man Who Knew Too Much, The (1934, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Man Who Knew Too Much, The (1955, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The (1962, John Ford)
_Man Who Would Be King, The (1975, John Huston)
_Man With Two Brains, The (1983, Carl Reiner)
_Manchurian Candidate, The (1962, John Frankenheimer)
_Manhattan (1979, Woody Allen)
_Manon of the Springs (1987, Claude Berri)
_Marriage of Maria Braun, The (1979, Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
_Matador (1988, Pedro Almodovar)
_Mean Streets (1973, Martin Scorsese)
_Meet John Doe (1942, Frank Capra)
_Metropolis (1926, Fritz Lang)
_Midnight Cowboy (1969, John Schlesinger)
_Midnight Run (1988, Martin Brest)
_Mildred Pierce (1947, Michael Curtiz)
_Miller's Crossing (1990, Joel Coen)
_Mr. Mom (1983, Stan Dragoti)
_Mister Smith Goes to Washington (1939, Frank Capra)
_Modern Times (1936, Charles Chaplin)
_Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1974, Terry Gilliam)
_Moonstruck (1987, Norman Jewison)
_Much Ado About Nothing (1993, Kenneth Branagh)
_Muppet Movie, The (1979, James Frawley)
_Music Box, The (1933, Raoul Walsh)
_My Brother's Keeper (19??, ?????????)
_My Cousin Vinny (199?, ?????????)
_My Fair Lady (1964, George Cukor)
_My Left Foot (1989, Jim Sheridan)
_My Life As a Dog (1987, Lasse Hallstrom)
_Name of the Rose, The (1986, Jean-Jacques Annaud)
_Nashville (1975, Robert Altman)
_Natural, The (1984, Barry Levinson)
_Network (1976, Sidney Lumet)
_Night at the Opera, A (1935, Sam Wood)
_Night of the Hunter (1955, Charles Laughton)
_Night of the Living Dead (1968, George A. Romero)
_North by Northwest (1959, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Nosferatu (1922, F. W. Murnau)
_Notorious (1946, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Now, Voyager (1942, Irving Rapper)
_Nun's Story, The (1959, Fred Zinnemann)
_Odd Man Out (1946, Carol Reed)
_Officer and a Gentleman, An (1982, Taylor Hackford)
_Oliver Twist (1948, David Lean)
_On the Waterfront (1954, Elia Kazan)
_Once Upon a Time in America (1984, Sergio Leone)
_Once Upon a Time in the West (1969, Sergio Leone)
_One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975, Milos Foreman)
_On Dangerous Ground (1950, Nicholas Ray)
_On the Beach (1959, Stanley Kramer)
_On the Town (1949, Gene Kelly & Stanely Donen)
_On the Waterfront (1954, Ella Kazan)
_Orphee (1948, Jean Cocteau)
_Out of the Past (1947, Jackques Tourneur)
_Passage to India, A (1983, David Lean)
_Passion of Joan of Arc, The (1928, Carl Dreyer)
_Patch of Blue, A (1965, Guy Green)
_Paths of Glory (1957, Stanley Kubrick)
_Patton (1970, Franklin Schaffner)
_Pawnbroker, The (1965, Sidney Lumet)
_People Under the Stairs, The (1992, Wes Craven)
_Persona (1966, Ingmar Bergman)
_Peter Pan (1953, Luske & Geronimi & Jackson)
_Phantom of the Opera, The (1925, Rupert Julian)
_Philadelphia Story, The (1942, George Cukor)
_Piano, The (1993, Jane Campion)
_Pink Floyd: The Wall (1982, Alan Parker)
_Pink Panther, The (1964, Blake Edwards)
_Plain Clothes (1988, Martha Coolidge)
_Plan 9 From Outer Space (1959, Edward D. Wood)
_Planet of the Apes (1968, Franklin J. Schaffner)
_Platoon (1986, Oliver Stone)
_Player, The (1992, Robert Altman)
_Poltergeist (1982, Tobe Hooper)
_Power of One, The (19??, ???????)
_Pride of the Yankees, The (1942, Sam Wood)
_Prince of the City (1981, Sidney Lumet)
_Princess Bride, The (1987, Rob Reiner)
_Producers, The (1968, Mel Brooks)
_Proof (19??, ????????)
_Psycho (1960, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Public Enemy, The (1933, Raoul Walsh)
_Quiet Man, The (1952, John Ford)
_Rachel, Rachel (1968, Paul Newman)
_Raging Bull (1980, Martin Scorsese)
_Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981, Steven Spielberg)
_Rain Man (1988, Barry Levinson)
_Raising Arizona (1987, Joel Coen)
_Ran (1985, Akira Kurosawa)
_Rashomon (1951, Akira Kurosawa)
_Rear Window (1954, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Re-Animator (1985, Stuart Gordon)
_Remains of the Day (199?, ????????)
_Rebel Without a Cause (1954, Nicholas Ray)
_Reservoir Dogs (199?, ????????)
_Restless Natives (1986, Michael Hoffman)
_Ride the High Country (1962, Sam Peckinpah)
_Right Stuff, The (1983, Phil Kaufman)
_Risky Business (1983, Paul Brickman)
_River's Edge (1987, Tim Hunter)
_Road to Utopia (1945, Hal Walker)
_Robocop (1987, Paul Verhoeven)
_Roger & Me (1989, Michael Moore)
_Romancing the Stone (1984, Robert Zemeckis)
_Room With a View, A (1986, James Ivory)
_Rosemary's Baby (1968, Roman Polanski)
_Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead (1991, Tom Stoppard)
_Rules of the Game, The (1939, Jean Renoir)
_Sadie Thompson (1928, Raoul Walsh)
_Samurai Trilogy, The (1954, Hiroshi Inagaki)
_Saturday Night Fever (1977, John Badham)
_Say Anything (1989, Cameron Crowe)
_Scarface (1983, Brian De Palma)
_Scenes From a Marriage (1973, Ingmar Bergman)
_Schindler's List (1993, Steven Spielberg)
_Sea Hawk, The (1940, Michael Curtiz)
_Searchers, The (1956, John Ford)
_Servant, The (1963, Joseph Losey)
_Seven Samurai, The (1954, Akira Kurosawa)
_Seventh Seal, The (1956, Ingmar Bergman)
_Sex, Lies and Videotape (1989, Steven Soderbergh)
_Shane (1955, George Stevens)
_Shining, The (1980, Stanley Kubrick)
_Shootist, The (1976, Don Siegel)
_Sid and Nancy (1986, Alex Cox)
_Silence of the Lambs (1991, Jonathon Demme)
_Silent Running (1971, Douglas Trumbell)
_Singin' in the Rain (1952, Stanley Donen)
_Slacker (19??, ??????????)
_Sleeping Beauty (1959, Clyde Geronimi)
_Sleuth (1972, Joseph Mankiewicz)
_Spellbound (1945, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Some Like It Hot (1959, Billy Wilder)
_Something Wild (1986, Jonathon Demme)
_Sound of Music, The (1965, Robert Wise)
_Spartacus (1960, Stanley Kubrick)
_Splash (1984, Ron Howard)
_Splendor in the Grass (1960, Ella Kazan)
_Stagecoach (1939, John Ford)
_Stalag 17 (1953, Billy Wilder)
_Stand By Me (1986, Rob Reiner)
_Starman (1984, John Carpenter)
_Sterile Cuckoo (1969, Alan Pakula)
_Sting, The (1973, George Roy Hill)
_Student Bodies (1981, Mickey Rose)
_Stunt Man, The (1980, Richard Rush)
_Sullivan's Travels (1942, Preston Sturges)
_Sunrise (1929, ???? Marnau)
_Sunset Boulevard (1950, Billy Wilder)
_Superfly (1972, Gordon Parks, Jr.)
_Tall Guy, The (1990, Mel Smith)
_Taras Bulba (1962, J. Lee Thompson)
_Taxi Driver (1976, Martin Scorsese)
_Tea and Sympathy (1959, Vincente Minelli)
_Ten Commandments, The (1956, Cecil B. De Mille)
_Terminator, The (1984, James Cameron)
_Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The (1974, Tobe Hooper)
_Thing, The (1982, John Carpenter)
_Third Man, The (1949, Carol Reed)
_This is Spinal Tap (1984, Rob Reiner)
_Three Men and a Cradle (1985, Coline Serreau)
_Through a Glass Darkly (1962, Ingmar Bergman)
_Time After Time (1979, Nicholas Meyer)
_Time Bandits (1981, Terry Gilliam)
_Time Machine, The (1960, George Pal)
_Tin Men (1987, Barry Levinson)
_To Have and Have Not (1951, Howard Hawks)
_To Kill a Mockingbird (1962, Robert Mulligan)
_Tokyo Story (1953, Yasujiro Ozu)
_Tommy (1975, Ken Russell)
_Tom Jones (1963, Tony Richardson)
_Tootsie (1982, Sydney Pollack)
_Top Hat (1935, Mark Sandrich)
_Touch of Evil (1958, Orson Welles)
_Trading Places (1983, John Landis)
_True Grit (1969, Henry Hathaway)
_True Romance (199?, ?????????)
_Twelve Angry Men (1957, Sidney Lumet)
_Twelve O'Clock High (1949, Henry King)
_Two for the Road (1967, Staney Donen)
_2001: A Space Odyssey (1968, Stanley Kubrick)
_Ugetsu (1952, Kenji Mizoguchi)
_Unforgiven (1992, ?????????)
_Untouchables, The (1987, Brian De Palma)
_Vertigo (1958, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Videodrome (1983, David Cronenberg)
_View From the Bridge, A (1963, Sidney Lumet)
_Watership Down (1978, Martin Rosen)
_West Side Story (1961, Robert Wise & Jerome Robbins)
_Westworld (1973, Michael Crichton)
_When Harry Met Sally... (1989, Rob Reiner)
_Who'll Stop the Rain (1978, Karel Reisz)
_Wild Geese, The (1978, Andrew V. McLaglen)
_Wild Strawberries (1957, Ingmar Bergman)
_Wings of Desire (1989, Tom Wenders)
_Witness (1985, Peter Weir)
_Woman in the Dunes (1964, Hiroshi Teshigahara)
_Woman Under the Influence (1974, John Cassavetes)
_Women in Love (1970, Ken Russell)
_World According to Garp, The (1982, George Ray Hill)
_Wuthering Heights (1939, William Wyler)
_Yankee Doodle Dandy (1941, Michael Curtiz)
_Young Frankenstein (1974, Mel Brooks)
_Z (1969, Constantin Costa-Gavras)
_Zulu (1964, Cy Endfield)


THANKS GOES TO...

Lots of people sent me responses to my original post or replied to the
newsgroups, and my thanks go out to them. They are:

James jken...@whale.st.usm.edu
Rob fh...@nyx10.cs.du.edu
sch...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Pat p...@doofer.demon.co.uk
cu...@euler.jsc.nasa.gov
MaryAnn Toner ton...@carlton.edu
Steve ki...@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Sujay jhav...@wharton.upenn.edu
Aaron Dunsmore sqd...@sonata.cc.purdue.edu
Diane Lin dl...@weber.ucsd.edu
Cyn Bell-Moores aa...@cleveland.freenet.edu
Patricia Daukantas pa...@astro.umd.edu
jta...@iastate.edu
Lars Aas la...@edb.tih.no
Richard Urena ur...@titan.ucs.umass.edu
David Joyce d.j...@sussex.ac.uk
Stephanie Ray r...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
Simon Whitaker sim...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Ralph Dickhout rdic...@chemical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Kyle Kawamura kk...@ccs.neu.edu
Peter Reiher rei...@wells.cs.ucla.edu
yu...@spd-13.ils.nwu.edu
Robert Hartill robert....@cm.cf.ac.uk
Pete a...@world.std.com
Warren Zane w...@well.sf.ca.us
Jeremy Smith jsm...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
Keith Loh l...@fraser.sfu.ca
John Hall jo...@jhall.demon.co.uk
Gavin Richmond grch...@whale.st.usm.edu

I apologize to those whose names I lost or anyone whom I might have
forgotten to include.

Colin Needham

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Hmmm, perhaps I shouldn't admit this, but can anyone beat my list factor
of 347 out of the 440 movies?

Col

d...@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu

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May 5, 1994, 12:44:59 PM5/5/94
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Could people please send me feedback on this thing so I don't feel that my time
was wasted, and so I can improve future versions...?

-David

Jim Ortlieb

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May 5, 1994, 6:31:02 PM5/5/94
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Shit. I'm insane. My MUST-SEE number is > 300.
(303 to be precise...)


BTW, _On the Waterfront_ is listed twice.


Jim
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Haroon Rashid

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My list factor is 159.

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Haroon.

Michael S Ritchie

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OK, my factor is 290 (291 if you count Four Weddings and a Funeral,
which I'm planning on seeing tonight). Also, there were a few I
couldn't remember if I've seen or not, like Face to Face (many of
Bergman's movies run together in a big blur to me) and The Passion
of Joan of Arc (I'm sure I saw it in a film class years ago, but
I remember little about it).
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Philippe QUEINNEC

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CN> Hmmm, perhaps I shouldn't admit this, but can anyone beat my list factor
CN> of 347 out of the 440 movies?

Perhaps I shouldn't admit it either, but I reach 233, and I don't have a
VCR! (my estimation is that I've seen 70% of them in a theater).

Phil (quei...@dgac.fr, quei...@enseeiht.fr)

Keith Meng-Wei Loh

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May 6, 1994, 12:59:12 PM5/6/94
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My factor is 235 ... I really had to slap myself for having to count
BEASTMASTER. Why in all hells is it a must-see?


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Andre Gide / Keith Loh / l...@sfu.ca / graduated and going back to
school / Burnaby, British Columbia / ask me for the poem of the week!

XTgruppo

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May 6, 1994, 3:17:01 PM5/6/94
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I dunno about the dates, but these missing directors
are easy to fix:

_Bob Roberts (1992, Tim Robbins)
_Buckaroo Banzai (19??, W.D. Richter)
_Crying Game, The (1992, Neil Jordan)
_Down By Law (19??, Jim Jarmusch)
_Father of the Bride (199?, Charles Shyer)
_Fisher King, The (19??, Terry Gilliam)
_Grand Canyon (19??, Lawrence Kasdan)
_My Cousin Vinny (199?, Jonathan Lynn)
_Remains of the Day (1993, James Ivory)
_Reservoir Dogs (199?, Quentin Tarantino!!!)
_Slacker (19??, Richard Linklater)
_Sunrise (1929, F.W. Murnau)
_True Romance (1993, Tony Scott)
_Unforgiven (1992, Clint Eastwood, dummy)

d...@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu

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May 6, 1994, 2:53:43 PM5/6/94
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Okay... time to say something publicly in hopes of stopping the huge e-mail
flow I'm getting.

There WILL be an Ammended version of the MUST-SEE list coming out soon...

It won't be v2.0, but it'll be 1.1.... Just slight revisions. For instance:

I'll explain why _Beastmaster_ made the list...
I'll explain why _Attack of the Killer Tomatoes_ doesn't fall under the Leonard
Part 6 rule...
I'll explain why many movies which seem to fall under the Star Wars rule are on
the list.
I'll have a plethera of corrections in spelling/directors/years on the list.
I'll have quite a few more titles on the list.

Look for it soon...

-David


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Deep Six

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May 6, 1994, 3:05:13 PM5/6/94
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Cool list. I cannot believe The Hidden is on there. It's a pretty
interesting show, and Kyle is in it, but I've always thought of
it as WAY obscure.

Are you adding any movies to the list? How about Stop Making
Sense?

My number is 248-250 -- I may have counted wrong.

Okay then,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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dead.'' --Ancient Hindu proverb

Adam Neil Villani

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May 7, 1994, 10:33:40 PM5/7/94
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OK, here's a question: what movies BESIDES Star Wars were listed? You'd be
surprised at how many people have never seen movies that you'd think everybody
has seen. I was the target age when E.T. came out (9), and I just managed to
see it once, in a drive in. I hardly remember anything about it. I'm sure
there's people out there who have never seen Star Wars. BTW my number was 102.


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position on the subject, whatever it may be.

Grizabella

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May 8, 1994, 3:49:40 AM5/8/94
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Well, I'll be the first to admit that my number isn't nearly
as high as the rest of you who are posting... it's 103, I believe.
(If I counted right)

But, I'm working on improving that number... 40 of those have been
seen in the last 10 months. :)

(And I'm going to see _4 Weddings and a Funeral_ Monday afternoon. :) )
--

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CALVIN JOHN ONIONS

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May 8, 1994, 9:52:21 AM5/8/94
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Could some e-mail me this Checklist, annoyingly our
news server here only retains news items for nano-seconds!
So I have got all the follow-ups bu not THE article

Thanks in advance.


--
Calvin John Onions | "He's not the Messiah,
Environmental Rehab. | he's just a very naughty boy!"
George Stapleton Building |
UCW Aberystwyth Wales SY23 | The Life of Brian.

Lois Therese Casaleggi

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May 7, 1994, 2:59:57 PM5/7/94
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i hate to be difficult but i missed the original post of the list of movies.
could someone either repost it or e-mail it to me? thanks so much. not like
i have time to read it now in the misdt of exams and trying to graduate, but
i'm very interested to see the list and how many i've seen. btw, who
complied it?

thanks again.


Lois Therese Casaleggi lt...@poe.acc.virginia.edu
"I'm not a liar. A liar is the second lowest form of human being."
"What's the first?"
"Lawyers." -- Graham (James Spader) and Ann (Andie MacDowell), from
_sex, lies, and videotape_

Terran Boylan

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May 8, 1994, 4:00:58 PM5/8/94
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Thanks for posting the checklist.

I'm both proud and embarassed to announce that my checklist number is 260.

Does anybody know of any support groups or 12-step programs? :^)

--
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Edward Peschko

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May 8, 1994, 6:20:34 PM5/8/94
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I don't know about this 'Must-See movie business' -- I either considered all
the following movies and absolutely did not want to see them, or unfortunately
*did* see them and they definitely do not belong on the list:

_All That Jazz (1979, Bob Fosse)

_Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (1980, John DeBello)

_Backdraft (1991, Ron Howard)


_Barton Fink (1991, Joel Coen)

_Beastmaster (1982, Don Coscarelli)


_Biloxi Blues (1988, Mike Nichols)

_Carrie (1976, Brian De Palma)

_Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986, John Hughes)

_Green Card (1990, Peter Weir)

_River's Edge (1987, Tim Hunter)

_Romancing the Stone (1984, Robert Zemeckis)

_Sex, Lies and Videotape (1989, Steven Soderbergh)

_Slacker (19??, ???????????)


_Student Bodies (1981, Mickey Rose)

_Superfly (1972, Gordon Parks, Jr.)
_Tall Guy, The (1990, Mel Smith)

_Three Men and a Cradle (1985, Coline Serreau)

_Tommy (1975, Ken Russell)


_Who'll Stop the Rain (1978, Karel Reisz)


(This one is a typo (I think: I have heard of Eating Raoul, never heard of just
plain *Eating*))

_Eating (Raoul???) (1991, Henry Jaglom)

In addition, I think the following movies should be added to the 'Must see'
list:

101 Dalmations
A Better Tomorrow
A Bridge Too Far
A Fistful of Dollars
A Guide to the Married Man
A Midsummer's Night Sex Comedy
A Shot in the Dark
Abominable Doctor Phibes, The
Aguirre, Wrath of God
Alfie
Angel Heart
Assault on Precinct 13
Bananas
Ben-Hur (the original)
Beyond the Valley of the Dolls
Cabaret
Choose Me
Colossus: the Forbin Project
Creepshow
Cross of Iron
Dollars (Warren Beatty)
Duel
Dumbo
Egg and I, The
Family Way, The
Fearless Vampire Killers, The
Fitzcarraldo
For A Few Dollars More
Frenzy
From Russia with Love
Gunfight at O.K Corral, The
Hang 'Em High
Hell is for Heroes
Henry V (Laurence Olivier's version)
Henry and June
Hotel Terminus
How to Murder Your Wife
Italian Job, The
Julius Caesar (with Brando, Gielgud, etc.)
Killer, The
Killing, The
King of Hearts
Lady and the Tramp
Last Detail, The
Light Sleeper
Lolita
Long, Good Friday, The
Macbeth (Polanski's version)
Major Dundee
Marathon Man
Misfits, The
Monterey Pop (sp??)
Monty Python's the Meaning of Life
My Twentieth Century
Night Gallery (original movie)
Nosferatu the Vampyre (1979 version)
Predator
Purple Rose of Cairo
Queen of Hearts
Repulsion
Revenge of the Pink Panther
Romeo and Juliet (Zeffereli's version)
Seven Year Itch
Shakespeare Wallah
She's Gotta Have It
Sleeper
Sorrow and the Pity
Straw Dogs
Suddenly Last Summer
Take the Money and Run
THX 1138
Terror Dr. Mabuse, The
Testament
Thing, The (original version)
Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The
Unbearable Lightness of Being
West Side Story
Wild Bunch, The
Woodstock

Maybe this Must-See Movies score should be modified to 'Prominent Movies that
one has either seen or considered seeing but rejected because (of my personal
taste) they would be just plain awful.'.

Real hidden treasures, gems of movies that one 'discovers' should also be
included to inspire movie buffs to new discoveries of their own.

Cheers,

Ed (240 by the original criterion, 255 if you let me 'blank in' movies I
wouldn't let myself be dragged to see, 324 if you add my new movies)

Keith Meng-Wei Loh

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pes...@grouper.micro.umn.edu (Edward Peschko) writes:

>I don't know about this 'Must-See movie business' -- I either considered all
>the following movies and absolutely did not want to see them, or unfortunately
>*did* see them and they definitely do not belong on the list:

While I had some problems with some of the titles, consider that 'must-see'
doesn't necessarily have any indication of the quality of the film. There
are many 'infamous' films that a serious filmgoer should have knowledge
about, without necessarily giving them a thumbs up.

>_Beastmaster (1982, Don Coscarelli)

This, however, is one I've pointed out has little use on anyone's list.
It's neither good nor outrageous.

Good choices in your list, BTW.

J. Martin Cassady Jr.

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In article <CpI8t...@news.cis.umn.edu> pes...@grouper.micro.umn.edu (Edward Peschko) writes:
>From: pes...@grouper.micro.umn.edu (Edward Peschko)
>Subject: Re: The Official Netters' MUST-SEE MOVIES Checklist!!! v1.0
>Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 22:20:34 GMT


(Whole bunch of movie titles deleted...)


>Maybe this Must-See Movies score should be modified to 'Prominent Movies that
>one has either seen or considered seeing but rejected because (of my personal
>taste) they would be just plain awful.'.

>Real hidden treasures, gems of movies that one 'discovers' should also be
>included to inspire movie buffs to new discoveries of their own.

>Cheers,

>Ed (240 by the original criterion, 255 if you let me 'blank in' movies I
>wouldn't let myself be dragged to see, 324 if you add my new movies)


Gee, aren't we opinionated? :-)
So is everybody on this group, I guess....

"Sex Lies & Videotape", "Barton Fink", "Slacker" and "All That Jazz" are some
of my favorite films in recent memory. I'd highly recommend them to just about
anyone.

"The Tall Guy" is a lot of fun as well. Same screenwriter as "Four Weddings &
A Funeral." Also includes Emma Thompson's famed topless scene!

"Eating" is indeed a film (duh.) 1991, dir. Henry Jaglom, stars Frances
Bergen, Mary Crosby & numerous other actresses (no male cast members!) It's
for the most part a lot of women at a birthday party talking about their
obsessions with food. It's a lot more interesting than it may sound: actually
quite fascinating at times.

Heh-heh, he said "members", heh-heh. (Oops, sorry, I thought I was on
alt.tv.beavis-n-butthead for a second there.)


JMC - Blacksburg VA
<mar...@vt.edu>

Gordon Sypolt

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I must be reasonably normal because my number was only 81. By the way, is
"Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?" going to be added?
--


Afroditi Michailidi

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_Down by Law_ (as well as _On the Waterfront_) appears twice on the list.

There is indeed a movie called _Eating_ about women at a birthday party
discussing their eating habits.

My must-see number is 301 (actually my must-see number is "all of them", the
above is just my have-seen number). But I have seen most of them on the
big screen...considering how I abhor VCRs and don't even own a TV.


Afroditi
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Oh, see the Men of Action falling back." Leonard Cohen

Michael S Ritchie

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May 9, 1994, 2:39:24 PM5/9/94
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In article <loh.76...@sfu.ca>,

Keith Meng-Wei Loh <l...@fraser.sfu.ca> wrote:
>While I had some problems with some of the titles, consider that 'must-see'
>doesn't necessarily have any indication of the quality of the film. There
>are many 'infamous' films that a serious filmgoer should have knowledge
>about, without necessarily giving them a thumbs up.
>
>>_Beastmaster (1982, Don Coscarelli)
>
>This, however, is one I've pointed out has little use on anyone's list.
>It's neither good nor outrageous.

Well, by your own criterion for "notorious," Beastmaster should
indeed be on the list. According to Entertainment Weekly,
Beastmaster is TNT's most consistently-watched movie, garnering
high ratings whenever it's on. Sad, perhaps, but apparently true.

Dracomancer

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May 9, 1994, 7:13:15 PM5/9/94
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Just as an interesting little twist to add to this experiment, why not do
the following. Take your must-see factor and divide it by your age. That way,
those who have been around longer don't get the advantage of extra time over
us young whelps. BTW, my must-see factor is 154, and I am 19. Total
must-see factor = 8.105.

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Jim Ortlieb

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In article <jwest.238...@titan.arc.ab.ca> jw...@titan.arc.ab.ca (Dracomancer) writes:
> Just as an interesting little twist to add to this experiment, why not do
>the following. Take your must-see factor and divide it by your age. That way,
>those who have been around longer don't get the advantage of extra time over
>us young whelps. BTW, my must-see factor is 154, and I am 19. Total
>must-see factor = 8.105.

That's not a bad idea, but still.... my number was 303 (out of the original
440) an I'm 23. So, my must-see "factor" would be 13.174.

The point is that I had access to a VCR and cable television at a really
young age and watched a shitload of movies. I easily watched over one/day
during the summer when I was young. Go out, play basketball for 3 hours,
then watch a couple movies after it got dark. Later on, I had a job during
the summer and came home and watched movies when I got back from work....

I'm sure there are other people on this newsgroup who have a number > 12,
but not very many. And... my number will increase this year. I'll probably
see another 20-30 movies on that list before I turn 24.

I saw the point of that list as being "Here's a list of movies that you
should consider watching". I already went through that process at a much
earlier age and watched them. Hoardes of people get to college each year
and say "Hey! I never saw <X>. I should watch that sometime." I went
through that process in high school, so I've seen a lot more of those
films. Thus, the list isn't very useful for me, because most of the movies
on that list I have either seen or have decided I am not interested in
watching them.

It's a list that I don't mind contributing to, and not a bad checklist, but
not really one that I need -- I kinda know which movies I've missed and will
go back and catch.

Eric Herbert

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Afroditi Michailidi (mich...@blondie.cs.wisc.edu) wrote:

: My must-see number is 301 (actually my must-see number is "all of them", the


: above is just my have-seen number). But I have seen most of them on the
: big screen...considering how I abhor VCRs and don't even own a TV.


If you don't own a TV, I would advise you to NOT buy a VCR. If you
don't own a TV, how did you see movies OFF the big screen?? If you
were at a friend's house, why did you agree to watch the horrid
VCR and wretched TV? Your friends should respect your opinions more.

air
ick

Mark Kaunisto

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May 11, 1994, 5:14:56 AM5/11/94
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Ok, my List Factor is 264, but I'm amazed the list did not include
a single film by Luis Bunuel or The Word (1955, Carl Dreyer), probably the
greatest film ever, in my opinion.

-- Mark

Timo Eloranta

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May 11, 1994, 10:55:38 AM5/11/94
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I ended up with a "List Factor" of 219. I guess I've been sensible
enough to avoid some of the lesser films on this list... :)

Here are three films that IMHO should definitely be added:

_Arsenic and Old Lace (1942, Frank Capra)
_One, Two, Three (1961, Billy Wilder)
_White Heat (1949, Raoul Walsh)

The following ones are also at least worth discussing:

_Bride of Frankenstein, The (1935, James Whale)
_Day of the Jackal, The (1973, Fred Zinnemann)
_Lady Vanishes, The (1938, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Paper Moon (1973, Peter Bogdanovich)
_Queen Christina (1933, Rouben Mamoulian)
_Thief of Bagdad, The (1940, Michael Powell)

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Luca Vigano

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May 12, 1994, 7:22:18 AM5/12/94
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Here's the feedback you asked for:

First of all I think that if you don't write the english articles (e.g.
_Abominable Dr. Phibes, The*), then you should do the same also with
european movies.
That is
_Dolce Vita, La instead of _La Dolce Vita
_Femme Nikita, La instead of _La Femme Nikita
_Strada, La instead of _La Strada

Then.
Here are some additions (btw I have seen all of them).

_My Darling Clementine (1946, John Ford)
_Fort Apache (1948, John Ford)
_Rio Grande (1950, John Ford)
_Mister Roberts (1955, John Ford)
_Donovan's Reef (1963, John Ford)

_All about Eve (1950, Joseph Mankiewicz)

_One From the Heart (1982, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Outsiders, The (1983, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Rumble Fish (1983, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Peggy Sue Got Married (1986, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Gardens of Stone (1987, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Tucker: The Man and His Dream (1988, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Godfather, Part III, The (1990, Francis Ford Coppola)
_Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992, Francis Ford Coppola)

_Cohen and Tate (1989, Eric Red)

_Sabrina (1954, Billy Wilder)


_One, Two, Three (1961, Billy Wilder)

_Kiss Me, Stupid (1964, Billy Wilder)
_Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, The (1970, Billy Wilder)
_Front Page, The (1974, Billy Wilder)

_Three Musketeers, The (1948, George Sidney)
_Show Boat (1951, George Sidney)
_Scaramouche (1952, George Sidney)
_Kiss Me Kate (1953, George Sidney)
_Viva Las Vegas (1964, George Sidney)

_Open City (aka Roma, Citta` Aperta) (1946, Roberto Rossellini)
_Paisan (aka, Paisa`) (1949, Roberto Rossellini)
_Bellissima (1951, Roberto Rossellini)

_39 Steps, The (1935, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Suspicion (1941, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Lifeboat (1944, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Paradine Case, The (1947, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Rope (1948, Alfred Hitchcock)
_I Confess (1953, Alfred Hitchcock)
_To Catch a Thief (1955, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Trouble With Harry, The (1955, Alfred Hitchcock)
_Torn Curtain (1966, Alfred Hitchcock)

_Carlito's Way (1993, Brian De Palma)

_Scarface (1932, Howard Hawks)
_Only Angels have Wings (1939, Howard Hawks)
_Sergeant York (1941, Howard Hawks)
_Red River (1948, Howard Hawks)
_I Was a Male War Bride (1949, Howard Hawks)
_Monkey Business (1952, Howard Hawks)
_Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (1953, Howard Hawks)
_Rio Bravo (1959, Howard Hawks)
_Man's Favorite Sport? (1964, Howard Hawks)
_El Dorado (1967, Howard Hawks)

_Shoeshine (aka Sciuscia`) (1946, Vittorio De Sica)
_Miracle in Milan (1951, Vittorio De Sica)
_Umberto D (1952, Vittorio De Sica)
_Stazione Termini (1953, Vittorio De Sica)
_Gold of Naples, The (1954, Vittorio De Sica)
_Giudizio Universale, Il (1962, Vittorio De Sica)
_Boccaccio '70 (1962, Vittorio De Sica)
_Boom, Il (1963, Vittorio De Sica)
_Marriage Italian-Style (1964, Vittorio De Sica)

_Women, The (1939, George Cukor)
_Born Yesterday (1950, George Cukor)
_Star I Born, A (1954, George Cukor)
_Girls, Les (1957, George Cukor)
_Rich and Famous (1981, George Cukor)

_Short Cuts (1993, Robert Altman)


AND ALSO:

_Near Dark Katherine Bygelow

_Tremors Ron Underwood

_Band Wagon, The Vincente Minnelli

_Duellists, The Ridley Scoot

_Manhunter Michael Mann

_To Live and Die in LA Wolfgang Petersen (???)

_Wild at Heart David Lynch

_American Gigolo Paul Schrader (spelling?)

_Talk Radio Oliver Stone

_Coeur en Hiver, En ?

_Mediterraneo
_Turne' Gabriele Salvatores
_Marrakesh Express Gabriele Salvatores

_Amarcord federico Fellini

_Frankie and Johnny ?

_Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Steven Spielberg
_Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Steven Spielberg
_Duel Steven Spielberg

_Heaven Can Wait Ernst Lubitsch (spelling?)

_Man Bites Dog ?

_Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer John McNaughton

_Grifters, The Stephen Frears


CIAO.
luca.

Mark Thompson

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May 12, 1994, 9:32:17 AM5/12/94
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Luca Vigano (lu...@mpi-sb.mpg.de) wrote:
: Here's the feedback you asked for:

: _To Live and Die in LA Wolfgang Petersen (???)

William Friedkin. (Or possibly "Freidkin").

Some pretty good choices there, and some that I disagree with. Like
Bram Stoker's Dracula for instance.

Mark
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SytematicWeepinFunGuy

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May 12, 1994, 12:35:41 PM5/12/94
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In article 2qt3ha...@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de, lu...@mpi-sb.mpg.de (Luca Vigano) writes:
> Here's the feedback you asked for:
>
> First of all I think that if you don't write the english articles (e.g.
> _Abominable Dr. Phibes, The*), then you should do the same also with
> european movies.
> That is
> _Dolce Vita, La instead of _La Dolce Vita
> _Femme Nikita, La instead of _La Femme Nikita
> _Strada, La instead of _La Strada
>

Great idea! Would help in creating consistency across the board.

> Then.
> Here are some additions (btw I have seen all of them).
>
>

> _Duellists, The Ridley Scoot
>

Ridley Scott

>
> _To Live and Die in LA Wolfgang Petersen (???)
>

William Friedkin

>
> _Coeur en Hiver, En ?
>

Un Coeur en Hiver

>
> _Frankie and Johnny ?
>

Gary Marshall


>
> CIAO.
> luca.

Adios,

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allan b goodrich

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May 12, 1994, 6:46:26 PM5/12/94
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I helped compile the list, and my own factor was around 170 or so.
Shame shame shame...
I'd like to add some, if that's okay....No dates on any of these and a
few may be of questionable merit....here goes:
The Dead Zone.
The Outlaw Josey Wales
A Fistful of Dollars
A Few Dollars More
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
The Rookie(I like Clint :)
Dead Alive
Clue
Thanks, sorry if any of these have already been included or if anybody
has already added these.
Later, Pete, son of abg

Keith Meng-Wei Loh

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May 13, 1994, 12:19:09 AM5/13/94
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a...@world.std.com (allan b goodrich) writes:
> I'd like to add some, if that's okay....No dates on any of these and a
>few may be of questionable merit....here goes:
> The Dead Zone.

Certainly one of the best Stephen King adaptations and an overall good
film, but I think moviegoers can go without seeing any King adaptations,
so ... If there is a must-see directed by David Cronenberg, it should
be DEAD RINGERS or the more provocative NAKED LUNCH.


> The Outlaw Josey Wales
> A Fistful of Dollars
> A Few Dollars More
> The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
> The Rookie(I like Clint :)

If I were forced to pick and choose I would keep A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS
and THE GOOD, THE BAD and THE UGLY. THE ROOKIE, most would agree, was
predictably awful and in light of all of Eastwood's accomplishments,
even UNFORGIVEN deserves a place before THE ROOKIE.

> Dead Alive

A very entertaining film, but a must-see? I think of that genre,
Sam Raimi's EVIL DEAD or EVIL DEAD 2 has a greater following than
Peter Jackson. All three of these movies are worthy of noting,
but I hesitate to tell anyone that they have to see it. Not
for everyone.

> Clue

Gimmicky. Not a great comedy or mystery. A nice cast, mostly wasted.


Carolyn M Prince

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May 18, 1994, 7:44:28 PM5/18/94
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Great list, one addition, how about Jesus of Montreal, 198?, I can't
remember the director.

Carolyn

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