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Bill Pulliam

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May 16, 1994, 2:47:59 PM5/16/94
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I just saw SIRENS last night, quite enjoyed it. Beyond everything
else, though, I was wondering has anyone seen such an explicit
male masturbation scene in an R-rated film before? Sure, it
doesn't go very far compared to porno, but I though penises being
touched by hands in an erotic fashion would have been an absolute
no-no in an R! Has the envelope expanded, or have other films just
been too chicken to try?

Bill

Thomas Skogestad

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May 16, 1994, 10:24:05 PM5/16/94
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In article <Cpws7...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, pul...@NREL.ColoState.EDU (Bill Pulliam) writes:
|> I just saw SIRENS last night, quite enjoyed it. Beyond everything
|> else, though, I was wondering has anyone seen such an explicit
|> male masturbation scene in an R-rated film before?

I take it you've never seen Bad Lieutenant. Tho.. I don't know if that scene was
cut of the R rated version. But technically it could be seen as an R film.


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Adam Neil Villani

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May 17, 1994, 12:24:16 AM5/17/94
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In article <2r99s5$6...@ugle.unit.no>,

Thomas Skogestad <tho...@kjemi.unit.no> wrote:
>In article <Cpws7...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, pul...@NREL.ColoState.EDU (Bill Pulliam) writes:
>|> I just saw SIRENS last night, quite enjoyed it. Beyond everything
>|> else, though, I was wondering has anyone seen such an explicit
>|> male masturbation scene in an R-rated film before?
>
>I take it you've never seen Bad Lieutenant. Tho.. I don't know if that scene was
>cut of the R rated version. But technically it could be seen as an R film.

Actually, the masturbation scene was cut out of the R-rated version of
Bad LIeutenant. Of course, this left things up to the imagination of the
viewer as to what he actually did. Since I knew they had cut something
out there I assumed that he raped them or forced them to give him head...
See what happens when censors get a hold of things. BTW, the scene cut out
after he said "I do something for you, you do something for me," or words
to that effect.

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Peter Merholz

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May 17, 1994, 2:31:28 PM5/17/94
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In article <Cpws7...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
pul...@NREL.ColoState.EDU (Bill Pulliam) wrote:

> I just saw SIRENS last night, quite enjoyed it. Beyond everything
> else, though, I was wondering has anyone seen such an explicit
> male masturbation scene in an R-rated film before? Sure, it
>

> Bill

I wondered this a bit, too, but while the guy is obviously touching
himself, is he *masturbating*? He just seemed to be fiddling with his
jewels a bit, kinda like all guys do (admit it) at some time throughout the
day. But we ain't whacking off...

--Peter

Michael Crawford

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May 17, 1994, 2:13:19 PM5/17/94
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There was a recent Dream On episode (I know it's not a movie, but it's
close :)) with a very explicit masturbation scene - I think his mother calls
right in the middle of it too.

Michael

Bill Pulliam

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May 17, 1994, 3:06:59 PM5/17/94
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In article 170594...@tol3mac14.soe.berkeley.edu, pet...@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Peter Merholz) writes:
>
> I wondered this a bit, too, but while the guy is obviously touching
> himself, is he *masturbating*? He just seemed to be fiddling with his
> jewels a bit, kinda like all guys do (admit it) at some time throughout the
> day. But we ain't whacking off...
>
I thought it looked like he was relaxing and starting to masturbate, but
got interrupted. As I recall, he had his hand wrapped around the goods
and was starting to stroke when his dog growled. I'll pay closer
attention next time.

P.S. Exactly how explicit is the scene in _Bad Lieutenant_ that other
people have mentioned (in the unrated version)?

Bill


bob erkamp (fuzzy logic)

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May 17, 1994, 4:04:50 PM5/17/94
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In article <2r9gtg$e...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, ad...@cco.caltech.edu (Adam Neil Villani) writes:
>In article <2r99s5$6...@ugle.unit.no>,
>Thomas Skogestad <tho...@kjemi.unit.no> wrote:
>>In article <Cpws7...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, pul...@NREL.ColoState.EDU (Bill Pulliam) writes:
>>|> I just saw SIRENS last night, quite enjoyed it. Beyond everything
>>|> else, though, I was wondering has anyone seen such an explicit
>>|> male masturbation scene in an R-rated film before?
>>
>>I take it you've never seen Bad Lieutenant. Tho.. I don't know if that scene was
>>cut of the R rated version. But technically it could be seen as an R film.
>
>Actually, the masturbation scene was cut out of the R-rated version of
>Bad LIeutenant. Of course, this left things up to the imagination of the
>viewer as to what he actually did. Since I knew they had cut something
>out there I assumed that he raped them or forced them to give him head...
>See what happens when censors get a hold of things. BTW, the scene cut out
>after he said "I do something for you, you do something for me," or words
>to that effect.
>

Hmmm...the rental copy that I obtained contained the masturbation scene. I
didn't check the rating.

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Thomas Skogestad

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May 18, 1994, 3:12:23 AM5/18/94
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>There was a recent Dream On episode (I know it's not a movie, but it's
>close :)) with a very explicit masturbation scene - I think his mother calls
>right in the middle of it too.

Seinfeld had a great masturbation episode. The act is never seen, and the word is
never mentioned. But it's a great masturbation episode anyway.

Thomas Skogestad

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May 18, 1994, 3:14:53 AM5/18/94
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>P.S. Exactly how explicit is the scene in _Bad Lieutenant_ that other
>people have mentioned (in the unrated version)?

More explicit and it'll be pornography... You do see the guy standing there - in
front of two young girls - having a great time. Hand moving, sound - it's a
masturbation. There's no doubt about it.

But still I thought the movie was a waste of time. Read Maltin's review. I agree.

Jeff Runner

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May 18, 1994, 4:41:55 PM5/18/94
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In article <2rcf9d$a...@ugle.unit.no>,

Thomas Skogestad <tho...@kjemi.unit.no> wrote:
>
>>P.S. Exactly how explicit is the scene in _Bad Lieutenant_ that other
>>people have mentioned (in the unrated version)?
>
>More explicit and it'll be pornography... You do see the guy standing there - in
>front of two young girls - having a great time. Hand moving, sound - it's a
>masturbation. There's no doubt about it.

it's true there's no doubt it's masturbation; however i didn't think it
was all that explicit. he's standing there with his hand moving around
in his pants, partially obscured by the side-view mirror. i think an
"explicit" masturbation scene should at least involve a penis. in that
case, the scene in "sirens" is much more explicit.

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The Dominator

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May 19, 1994, 8:00:44 PM5/19/94
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In article <2rcf4n$a...@ugle.unit.no> tho...@kjemi.unit.no writes:

> >There was a recent Dream On episode (I know it's not a movie, but it's
> >close :)) with a very explicit masturbation scene - I think his mother calls
> >right in the middle of it too.
>
> Seinfeld had a great masturbation episode. The act is never seen, and the word
> is
> never mentioned. But it's a great masturbation episode anyway.
>

I think you meant to say that Seinfeld is just a load of old wank ?

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Marc Talusan

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May 21, 1994, 4:00:52 PM5/21/94
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Jeff Runner (jru...@twain.ucs.umass.edu) wrote:
: i think an

: "explicit" masturbation scene should at least involve a penis.

Just making sure everyone caught that. This is one for the .sig files. :)

Marc

Jeff Runner

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May 22, 1994, 12:17:36 AM5/22/94
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In article <2rlp9k$8...@scunix2.harvard.edu>,

after i wrote that, though, i realized that of course it's not true.
one wouldn't expect an explicit masturbation scene involving a woman to
involve a penis!

J. David Rodgers

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May 18, 1994, 9:13:20 PM5/18/94
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For anyone who is interested, there was a masturbation
scene in that really crappy Madonna movie "Body of
Evidence".

The movie isn't worth watching, even for the masturbation
scene ;-)

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Edla Ward

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May 25, 1994, 1:11:25 AM5/25/94
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The most repulsive masturbation scene must be in The Bad Lieutenant.
It was extremely well filmed but it really reinforced how horrible
that man was.

(And to the person who wanted illegal police actions in a movie the
above is full of them!)

The best masturbation scene in my opinion is Madonna in In Bed with
Madonna. I found it quite touching. (No pun intended)

edla

Michael Kalen Smith

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May 28, 1994, 6:20:27 PM5/28/94
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In article <2rumlt$c...@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, Edla Ward <ed...@cs.uq.oz.au> wrote:
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>The best masturbation scene in my opinion is Madonna in In Bed with
>Madonna. I found it quite touching. (No pun intended)
>
>edla

I'd like to nominate Andie MacDowell in SEX, LIES, AND VIDEOTAPE ...
possibly the best acting she's done, in fact....


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